Listen to This When you Can't Listen to Your Family Anymore

Summary

Podcast Summary: Canal Street Dreams

Episode: Listen to This When You Can't Listen to Your Family Anymore

Hosts: Eddie Huang & Natashia Perrotti
Date: November 27, 2025

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Overview

In this candid, emotional, and darkly comic episode, Eddie Huang and Natashia Perrotti pivot from a planned holiday gift guide to a raw reflection on family ruptures, personal growth, and perseverance in the face of relentless change. Broadcasting live, with their young son occasionally chiming in, they explore what it means to “break up” with one’s family, navigate hardship, and ultimately find gratitude and new beginnings in chosen communities and relationships—just in time for the holidays.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Family Holiday Wishes and Light-Hearted Banter

• The episode begins with Eddie and Natashia’s son, Senna, sharing his Christmas wish list (dinosaurs, specifically a "triceratops" and "gigantosaurus") in a charming and chaotic family moment.
  Memorable Moment:
  • [01:07] Eddie: “You want a triceratops? That’s a surprise.”
  • [01:16] Eddie: “If you’re good for this pod, you’re gonna get a gigantosaurus and a triceratops.”

2. Producer Chris Reflects on Growth and Burnout

• Chris, the producer, discusses a year of constant movement, setting up new studios, and the challenge of learning to delegate instead of perpetually hustling alone.
  Notable Quote:
  • [02:35] Chris: “I know how to work very hard, so I got that covered. But I need to learn things like delegation, building a team… That’s one of the things that makes me excited to work on this show. This is a team.”
• Eddie praises Chris’s work ethic while both admit to struggling with not being overly self-critical.
  [03:43] Eddie: “Not everybody is working that hard… when you say it, I really appreciate it.”

3. The Power and Pain of Family Relationships

• Natashia and Eddie both reflect on the radical life changes of the past year, including their move from LA to NYC, loss of stability, and undertaking new ventures.
  • [05:48] Natashia: “Real growth cannot and does not happen in a space where you’re comfortable… life is uncomfortable and you can’t rely on things you thought were true. That’s how you grow as a person.”
• Eddie recounts his "breakup" with his family almost exactly a year prior, catalyzed by a tense Thanksgiving and culminating at a notorious Cheesecake Factory lunch, which led to a total cut-off from his parents and brother.
  • [08:11] Eddie: “It’s exactly a year to the date that I broke up with my family. That moment has, for me, hung over the entire year.”
• They discuss the complexity of loving family members while needing space for self-preservation.
  • [09:03] Natashia: "It's not about not loving them… sometimes you need distance for your own survival."

4. The Cheesecake Factory Incident: When Everything Cracked

• Eddie tells the story of post-surgery pain, grudgingly hosting his family for Thanksgiving, receiving minimal help (“one whack-ass green bean casserole”), then watching a family meltdown unfold at the Cheesecake Factory.
  • [11:05] Eddie: “He got up, pushed his way out of the booth, left, went to Nordstrom’s, wandered around… then my mom dug her claws into me…”
• “Raspberry iced tea in the fish and chips” becomes an absurd symbol of familial tension.
  • [12:02] Eddie: “I poured a little raspberry iced tea into my mom’s fish and chips. And I think I might have said, you should have got the lunch portion. And she went nuts.”

5. Chaos, Hardship, and Hitting Rock Bottom

• The story shifts to the worst day: forced relocation after a house fire, being scammed by a broker and contractor, losing significant money, and sitting in a dying mall in Escondido with a crying child, barking dog, and a minor car accident.
  • [15:03] Eddie: “This is the single worst moment of my life.”
  • [17:44] Natashia: “The woman was so shook, I was giving an Oscar performance… but at this point, it’s not even a performance. It’s real. I’m just sobbing… she says, ‘You’re good, worry about it.’”

6. Adversity as an Unexpected Gift

• Despite everything, Eddie and Natashia stress their resilience and rejection of self-pity, even refusing to feel bad for themselves during the worst times.
  • [19:07] Natashia: “That’s the first time we’ve talked about that moment in a year… we never sit there and dwell. We just get up every day—what’s next?”
• Hardship yields unexpected creative and personal growth: Eddie finds renewed pride in his restaurant work and cooking non-traditional dishes, while Natashia underscores the strength gained from starting over.
  • [20:55] Eddie: “The hardship has brought out, I feel, an even more genuine, earnest version of me, you, and our family.”
  • [21:31] Natashia: “We brought back the pod… this is the best iteration yet… we wouldn’t have done that if things were just easy.”

7. On Creativity, Insecurity, and Maturing in Work

• Eddie explains how professional adversity forced him to listen more and open up creatively, no longer dismissing “outside notes” or feedback.
  • [22:30] Natashia: “You’ve grown a lot… your relationship with your work is in such a good place.”
  • [24:25] Eddie: “My work doesn’t get worse… I’m opening the shit up so more people can understand and appreciate it.”

8. Joking, Misunderstanding, and the Role of Humor

• Eddie discusses how his humor, rooted in adversity, is often misunderstood as targeted mockery, when it’s really a coping mechanism and a tool for community.
  • [25:55] Eddie: “A lot of times I use humor to shine a light… but I’m not making fun of people, I’m making fun of the phenomenon, myself…”
  • [27:40] Natashia: “I’ve never met someone as pro-friendship as you… you value people at your core.”
• Natashia points out Eddie’s loyalty and willingness to reconcile, in contrast with her own tendency to "cut-and-run."

9. Boundaries, Cutting Ties, and the Hope for Reconciliation

• Both hosts reflect on their boundaries—Eddie with exes, Natashia with particular old flames—and the lessons taught by their own family experiences.
• Deep desire to reconcile with family, but only if boundaries and personal growth are respected. Eddie dreams of a relationship with his parents based more on friendship than traditional familial hierarchy.
  • [39:10] Eddie: “I love my dad. Our relationship is best when we are homies… What gets weird is when he tries to be my dad, and he just kind of wasn’t there until I was 15.”
  • [43:59] Eddie: “Let’s all call a spade a spade. You weren’t happy with me as a child. I’m not happy with you as a parent. But biologically, we fucking love each other, and let’s just be friends… I just want to be friends.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• [05:48] Natashia: “Real growth cannot and does not happen in a space where you’re comfortable…”
• [08:11] Eddie: “It’s exactly a year to the date that I broke up with my family.”
• [13:41] Eddie: “When things were good, you and I would snap at each other more… When all the hardship started to hit us… it brought us closer.”
• [19:21] Eddie: “The worst version of everyone is the feel-bad-for-yourself, woe-is-me.”
• [20:55] Eddie: “Hardship has brought out an even more genuine, earnest version of us.”
• [27:40] Natashia: “You won’t throw people away… even if you jab people, it’s because you love them.”
• [41:05] Eddie: “I can accept you as friends, but I don’t want to play the parent/kid role.”
• [44:29] Eddie: “All I want for the holiday season is a phone call from my parents, a phone call from my brother… We wanna clean the slate and be friends.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00–01:55
  Lighthearted family holiday wish segment with son Senna.
• 02:06–04:24
  Chris discusses the year’s arc, delegating, and team-building.
• 05:48–09:00
  Natashia and Eddie reflect on change, growth, and family break.
• 09:03–12:57
  The Thanksgiving/ Cheesecake Factory blowup story.
• 13:41–18:55
  Recounting the “worst day”—homelessness, fraud, financial loss, car accident.
• 18:55–21:50
  The upside of hitting bottom—new creative projects are born out of necessity.
• 22:30–24:50
  Eddie’s humility: learning to really listen and open up in his artistry.
• 25:55–27:14
  Misunderstanding jokes, humor as survival, and friendship loyalty.
• 30:38–32:31
  Relationship boundaries, the “door always open” philosophy, and learning from past losses.
• 39:10–43:59
  Eddie’s vision for a friendship-based adult relationship with parents, catharsis and hope for reconciliation.
• 44:29–45:47
  What Eddie wants for Christmas: just a simple, heartfelt connection with his family.
• 45:06–46:44
  Rapid-fire holiday handbag gift game
• 47:07–End
  Witty banter about holiday gifts and personal gestures, closing on a hopeful, affectionate note.

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Listener Takeaways

• Family can both be your deepest pain and your greatest source of hope.
• Hardship, while brutal, can force necessary growth and unexpected joy.
• There is no shame in taking a break from family to protect your mental health and create boundaries.
• It’s never too late to reach for reconciliation—sometimes, it just takes the courage to be the first to call.
• Genuine humor and vulnerability are survival tools: they transform pain into community and creativity.
• Sometimes, all you really want for Christmas isn’t a gift, but a clean slate and an honest conversation.

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This episode is a heartfelt and unvarnished look into how creative people, partners, and parents navigate the fallout and renewal that come with breaking and remaking family ties. For anyone struggling with family during the holidays, Eddie and Natashia offer both resonance and hope.

Transcript

[A]

All right, welcome back, Canal Street Dreams. I hope everybody ate their hearts out for Thanksgiving. This is the Black Friday special. We do not have childcare, but we're going to talk about Senna's favorite topic, which is what everyone wants for Christmas this year.

[B]

This is a good topic.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Senna, what do you want for Christmas this year? Maybe mom can interview you. Oh, yeah? You want what, Uncle Chris?

[B]

What do you want for Christmas, son?

[A]

Dinosaur.

[B]

Ew. Don't lick it.

[A]

He's licking the mic.

[B]

What do you want for Christmas? Tell me. Do you want to sing? What present do you want? Dig dinos? Maybe the dinosaurs. Do you want Dig dinos, though, specifically? Or do you want Jurassic Park Dinosaurs? Electric and then. Okay, tell me which dinosaur you want by name so I know which one to get.

[A]

Iceratops.

[B]

You want to try.

[A]

You want to try Ceratops. That's a surprise.

[B]

Okay, I thought you wanted a gigantosaurus.

[A]

Gigant. He wants both of them now. You're just now just adding to his list. You're adding to his list.

[B]

What else do you want? Oh, did you say you want a. You want a. A Birkin? Oh, which one? What kind of leather? Some leather?

[A]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[B]

Oh, cool. What else do you want? What else did I hear you say? What else do you want? A Kelly. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard something. I heard him say Kelly.

[A]

No, no. Senna. If you're. If you're good for this pod, you're gonna get a gigantosaurus and a triceratops.

[C]

All right?

[A]

Fantastic.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Incredible interview. That's some 60 minute you just did, Chris.

[B]

Honestly.

[A]

Incredible.

[C]

Center signing out for now.

[A]

Chris, what do you want for. What do you want for the holidays?

[C]

Sleep?

[A]

A studio with soundproofing?

[C]

Yeah, we're getting there.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Almost Christmas.

[A]

How. How has your year been? Talk to us.

[C]

It's been. It's been busy, bro. I. We just got one of the first sets up this week. I've moved three times to three different studios, but I think this one's. This one's going to be home, and it's kind of grungy in the hallways, which I appreciate.

[A]

Okay. Before we even get to gifts, right? Because we always talk gift. Gifts are fun. Holiday guides are fun. I'm going to put you on the spot. Is there an arc to this year? Was there an overall arc and something you, like, learned or accepted or, like, grew from?

[C]

I learned a lot about soundproofing, and I also learned that I need to, you know, grow and. And put other people on so that I can take a break in between. I know how to work very hard, so I got that covered. And I need to learn some other things, like delegation, building a team. Yeah, building a team. And that's. That's one of the things that makes me so excited to work on this show. This is a team.

[A]

That's what's up, man. Yeah, you should, you should tell people too. Like, you produce a lot of great shows. What would you, off the top of your head, what are your, like, three or favorite shows you produce?

[C]

I mean, Giggly Squad is huge. I work on Tinks's show. I work with the Stallone sisters. Bunch of different people. Like, so many to name people always ask, like, how many shows do you work on?

[A]

It's about 20.

[C]

I have no idea. Because it's a lot.

[A]

Yeah. I feel like you have 20 shows.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But no watching this year because we met you around. I'd say April May.

[C]

Yeah, maybe it was April.

[A]

Yeah. And honestly, you're the hardest working dude I've met in pods, digital production in, like, quite some time.

[C]

And I appreciate you when you say that because I know how hard you work.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, so it means a lot. Like, a lot of people can say that, like, oh, you work so hard and stuff, but, like, not everybody is working that hard, you know, as. As a, As a point of comparison. So I. When you say it, I really appreciate it.

[A]

Yeah. And I definitely feel like on the Emilio episode, when we did the Emilio Vitolo episode, you and I, that's when we got tight because we started to realize me, you and Emilio had the same dad.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's just like, you're one of those dudes. I have a cook upstairs. His name is Daniel, and he's so much like you, where he's so hard on himself when he makes mistakes, I don't say anything.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I'm like, you're already so hard on yourself. And that's rare. There's is very rare to meet people who are like that autonomous and that hard on themselves.

[C]

So it is, it's. There's probably nobody worse to disappoint than myself, you know, that sort of thing. So. Yeah. And I think a lot of that. I was actually talking to my sister about this last night because I was talking about you and like the show and we were working on it and. Yeah, man, it's always in the back of your head kind of that. That voice, whether you realize it or not. And part of the battle is realizing it. And it's it really, for me comes from having a lot of respect for. For my parents and their parents before them and stuff. What they built and stuff with, like, were that. Was it tough? Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But they always looked out for me and everything, and it really is just like a respect and kind of. It feels like an obligation sort of to keep it going.

[A]

Like, if I had to say, the one thing I would say is, at the end of this year, I hope you're not as hard on yourself, if that makes any sense.

[C]

Yeah, I'm trying to enjoy it. I want to keep a balance where I'm still, you know, still putting things out and still executing on stuff. But, yeah, to. To enjoy it a little bit more.

[A]

Because sometimes if you're so hard on yourself, you're making it worse. You're beating yourself. That energy that you're using to hit yourself could be. Used to just be like, it's all right.

[C]

That's a good. That's a good goal to go for. I'm g. Try it. I'm g. Try for it.

[A]

Next week, you tell me what you think I need to learn next year.

[C]

I'm going to think on it. I'm going to sit on it.

[A]

What, babe? What do you. Do you think there was an arc to your year?

[B]

Yes, I think the arc to my year, but then I think it could be our year as a family, just like you, Senna and I was just that real growth cannot and does not happen in a space where you're comfortable. So I think for me, it's just been accepting that sometimes you're very uncomfortable and life is uncomfortable and you can't rely on certain things that you thought were true. And that's how you grow as a person. And at the end of it, I mean, we're not at the end of it, but I think this year has just been a lot of, like, change and movement. Moving from LA to New York, our whole life changed. His whole life changed. I mean, we, like, left our house and never saw it again, so. And then getting a new routine, living in a new city, even though we've lived here before, I think the city has changed and we've changed and we're not the same people that lived here five, six years ago. So to me, it was very foreign again. And then finding my routine, who I am, what feels good, and then on top of it, like, starting new businesses, everything that we were always doing in LA kind of ended. And, you know, I think if you were to told me this is what life would look like a Year ago today, I wouldn't. I would just be like, oh, fuck, that's crazy. But it's cool to realize, you know, at the end of the day, the most important thing is that we have each other and we've really communicated that and made it known to each other, and that's what's gotten us through it. So I think it's.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. This is. This is a year, truly the year. Like, we always. People always try to do this and think about this, but this is truly the year. Like, around Thanksgiving, I'm like, I'm very thankful because pretty much everything got taken away from us this year. I mean, besides family.

[B]

Yeah, well, even I would say I. Not to bring it up, but I think last year on Thanksgiving, if anyone reads your. Your substack, like, would know that literally part of our fa. Like our family unit as we had it in LA and like, our regular life was very disrupted on Thanksgiving. So it's really almost like a year to the date that nothing in our life looks the same at all.

[A]

It's exactly a year to the date that I broke up with my family. You know, And I will say that that moment has, for me hung over the entire year.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

Like my year. That moment defined my year. That defined what I would be going through this year. Because I had to just look at the situation in my family, my relationship to it, and be like, I keep getting my feelings hurt with these folks and, like, it's not beneficial to me. And for me to grow and change and be the husband and father I want to be to this family, I have to put my biological family on ice. Besides Emory. Emory. Shout out Emory in China. Love Emory. I love all of them. I love my dad, I love my mom. I love Evan.

[B]

But I was gonna say it's not about not loving them and.

[A]

No.

[B]

And not wanting them in our lives. I think it just.

[A]

Basically what happened was that I got my penis scoped the day before Thanksgiving. All right? I had my dick scoped. My dick was very sore. I did not want to cook for Thanksgiving, but my father basically invited our family over on his own accord to our house for Thanksgiving and was like, what's the plan? You gonna cook? And I was like, all right, fine. Because. Because you've requested it. Now I feel bad. I feel like I owe you Thanksgiving. So me, Natasha and Natasha's mother Paula busted our asses cooking Thanksgiving. My parents and Evan, between the three of them, brought one whack ass green bean casserole. All right? Then we had.

[B]

We got let's give him some credit. It was good.

[A]

It was good.

[B]

It was good. Okay. You're trying to rectify things.

[A]

Oh, I'm trying to. It was good. Come on. It was good. It was good. All right, I'm gonna skip over a few things. But then half my dad was like, you know, this was such a nice Thanksgiving. Thank you. I'm gonna take you guys. I'm treating everyone to go to the Cheesecake Factory tomorrow. So we go. And then my mother, who is pre diabetic. Okay, orders, orders. Was it the Philly cheesesteak?

[B]

It was the fish and chips.

[A]

The fish and chips.

[B]

And there was a lunch portion and a larger portion. I think that's where the fight started.

[A]

Yes. So my brother trying to look out for my mother's health concerns was like, why do you need the large portion of the fish and chips? And my mom's like, I want the large portion. And then they got into an argument. They got in a fight. I told my brother, yo, she's pulling you into a trap. She has you wrapped around her finger. Just like, stop. You're in mixed company. Like, Natasha's mom's here. Senna's. Everybody's here. Like, don't have the mom. You're fat. Stop eating. Full order fish and chips conversation here today on black.

[B]

To be fair, it was happening in full Mandarin, so me and my mom had no idea.

[A]

I. I could. No, actually, there was English. I could hear it. And Evan was going back and forth. But you're right. I should be nice. Yes, Whatever. Whatever she said. But I ended up Evan. Evan ended up getting mad when I told him to chill and that my mom, like, was pulling him into a trap conversation. He got up, pushed his way out of the booth, left, went to Nordstrom's, wandered around. Then when Evan left, my mom dug her claws into me and was like, oh, you can't talk to Evan like that anymore. Evan is an adult. Hmm. Who do you think you are? He flew all the way out here for Thanksgiving, and I got mad, and I believe I poured. It was a raspberry iced tea. Cause they don't have Arnold Palmer's at the Cheesecake Factory or Gatorade. So I. I poured a little raspberry iced tea into my mom's fish and chips. And I think I might have said, you should have got the lunch portion. And she went nuts, understandably. Blacked out.

[B]

No, I blacked out. I don't.

[A]

You blacked out. Everybody black. Everybody blacked out. And we broke up with each other. I Don't talk to my parents. My parents don't talk to me.

[B]

It was very much. I think what had happened too reminds me a lot of like the 50 cent clip where he's like, I just woke up and I saw the Floyd made, Mayweather said, Nelly, Big Sean and me. Why you say me for? And I think a lot of us at that table are 50 cent that moment. Why you say me for? Because even like Evan and I were mad cool and then I had to block him because I was just like stressed the out. Sorry, Senna. I was really stressed. We were like moving and all this stuff. And he was like, why is Eddie selling Juno's neon piece? And I was like, I can't answer these questions right now. I was very much like, why you say me for? And then he probably feels that way about me because then I blocked him. And I like, Evan, I don't want to have him blocked. It was. We were just stressed. I was stressed. Everybody was stressed. It was high stress.

[A]

High stress.

[B]

Even that day at the Cheesecake Factory, we didn't know that there was going to be a fire and we were going to have to relocate and all. We had no idea that all this was happening. And I think it's like our life has been so destabilized for the past year that there hasn't been. And I can't speak for you, but there hasn't been even a moment where I think A, we don't think about it, but then B, that there's even space to take action and remedy the situation because our shit has been so chaotic. Like our relationship has been great, actually probably like the best it's ever been. But our day to day, like weeks go by and we're like, holy. Like weeks have gone, months have gone by. Like every single day we're busy 24 7.

[A]

Yeah, I would say this is that like when things were really, really good, I almost feel like you and I would snap at each other more. It was almost like this privilege or like this, this like ultimate ideal romance that we felt entitled to. And like if any one person responded in a way the other person didn't find perfect or ideal, we like snip at each other and yada yada. Cuz like that was what was going on. But when all the hardship started to hit us. You brought it up. The other day. There was a moment. Thanksgiving was the beginning of the really bad stuff. Like we got in an epic fight with my parents. My mom lost her mind. Acted in a way that like I just don't like around me anymore. I had to break up with my mom. Then the fire happened. And the second most terrible day was we found out that a contractor and a broker had scammed us. We were running from the fire. We were in Escondido in a random strip Mall with Mr. Chow pissing in the backseat. Senna was crying. I reversed out of a parking spot, a Toyota Sienna, like, ran up and, you know, like, ran into us. And we turned around and it was just in that moment, I was like, this is the single worst moment of my life.

[B]

Well, to really set the scene on this moment, because I had. I truly had a flashback to this moment this week. It was. We were in one Airbnb and we were moving to a new Airbnb and we had those, like, five hours of time where it was like, couldn't check into the. The second location, but, like, had to check out of the first location. So we're in a random. We're in like a mall.

[A]

Walked around the strip mall for five hours.

[B]

But it was a. It was a dying mall. It wasn't a strip mall. It was an actual mall, but it was like a dying mall. So there was like a Sears in it. Like, there was like, not good businesses. There was like, no Auntie Anne's. There was. This mall was. Okay. There was like a place where you could go get a tuxedo. That wasn't Men's Warehouse.

[A]

There was so few people that I could bring Mr. Chow in. I was in the mall with the dog.

[B]

There was a Cheesecake Factory, actually. And I did go. And that was triggering because I had to get him food. But he was like. I think he was like 18, 16, 17 months at this point. I had. There was like, no, no way to occupy him. You had Mr. Chow. Mr. Chow couldn't come into the mall. So we're like, separated.

[A]

He came in and then we were chilling and then he ended up. Yeah, got kicked out.

[B]

So, like, just to set the scene, like, like, we're in purgatory. Like, literally, we can't get to the next place. We have our baby, we have our dog. We can't be together because someone needs to have the baby. Someone needs to have the dog. It's hard entertaining a 15 month old in a dying mall. He's like, freaking out. He's like, get me out of the stroller. But then I'm like, we're just in a mall. You know, we finally end up hanging out. We're beefing about something, because naturally the situation is just like, so incredibly ridiculous. I remember coming through the JCPenney. You're like, I'm in the car. We get in the car, we're on the phone with Spencer, and he was like, basically letting us know that we've just been frauded. And, like, we're out, like, $250,000. Like, that's a phone call you don't want to get. So we're, like, in the car. Seno is crying in the car seat. Doesn't want to be in the car seat. Mr. Chow is in the front, just, like, farting. Like it just, like, smells like shit in this car. Like, it's a tiny, poor steak can. He's crying. He's on the. We're on the phone being. Basically, you have no fucking money because it's all in this house that you've now been scammed and this person scammed you that you thought you could trust. This is all happening. I'm like, here, watch, like, blippi. It's so loud. Everyone's screaming. Like, the. The volume on the Bluetooth is too high. He's screaming, the dog is barking. And all of a sudden, we're, like, trying to back out of this parking spot to finally get to this Airbnb. And you just hear. And I'm like, oh, my God, we just hit a car. I literally just looked at Eddie. I was like, don't even worry about it. I got this. I get out of the car, I just open the door and start hysterically crying. And I was. And the woman was just, like, so shook, like I was giving a Oscar performance. I'm just. At this point, it's not even a performance. It's real. I'm just sobbing. And she's like, what? She's like, you know what? It's good. You're good. Worry about it.

[A]

I have to give that woman credit. She was so kind.

[B]

Yeah, I was like, all of this is happening. Like, we don't have a house. Like, we're just trying to get to an Airbnb. I, like, I'm really sorry that this happened, but this is what's going on in the car. Like, couldn't even get my words out. I just got back into the car. We didn't even say anything. We just, like, drove to the Airbnb and like, never talked about that moment again. But it was truly the worst moment of my life. All of our lives.

[A]

Yeah. It just. We hit bottom, were told no money. We knew we needed to get to New York somehow. Had no idea how we were going to Figure it out. But, like, that's the thing about this year is this was. This was like, to me, in many ways, it felt like season one of Eastbound and Down, where Kenny Powers has to go back home.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And I'm like, fuck, man, I am down. I am so down bad.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, like, I was just like, how am I going to rebuild my life? But somehow, some way, like, I've reconnected with my, like, true friends and family and rebuilt the. And the key is to not make the mistake Kenny did. Like season two, you know, Like, I'm staying home. Yeah, I'm staying home. I'm staying with all my Stevies. Shout out all my Stevies.

[B]

I think the thing here, too, that's important about you and I is, like, A, we're not afraid to work hard, and then, B, we're just, like. We don't ever feel bad for ourselves.

[A]

No.

[B]

Some, like, that's the first time we've talked about that moment in a year or. Or however long it's been. Like, we never sit there and dwell on this. We just, like, get up every day and. Not that. Like, there's no right or wrong way to live your life, but we're just like, okay, what's next?

[A]

Yeah. I gotta say, the worst version of us, and I think the worst version of everyone is the feel bad for yourself. The woe is me. This is, like, no time in your life for that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think it's like that thing kind of comes around, like, when you're like, 15, 16, you start to learn to feel bad for yourself. And I feel by the age of, let's say, 27, you got to stop feeling bad for yourself.

[B]

Oh, your Saturn return. Yeah, that I'm in right now.

[A]

Yeah. When shit starts to happen, you just have to be like, dude, there's no time to feel bad. You just keep going, going. And this year, so many things got thrown at us, and we've talked about it on the pod, but, like, we just kept going. And now when you look at it, it's like we have this beautiful restaurant with incredible partners, Dylan and Ronnie. Shout out Dylan, Ronnie, Will, Dave, everybody. Love you guys. You know, like, there was a little bit of, like, a Mighty Duck, Bad News Bears situation with the kitchen when I first got here, you know, and. And from June till now, Dylan, myself, and Dave have, like, cleaned the shit up. And, like, we have an incredible restaurant we're really proud of. I'm cooking food I never thought I would be cooking. This is shit I'd make at Home. That was just, like, munchies I'd make us. And, like, now I'm doing it. And then people like, we love this. We love seeing you do this. You don't always have to do, like, traditional Chinese, Taiwanese food. And so it's like the hardship has brought out. I feel an even more genuine, earnest version of me, you, and our family.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

And that is beautiful.

[B]

I agree. And it's really cool to just see what you're capable of and then just like, the. The surprise of what happens when. Because I'm like, okay, if we're still in LA and everything was great, and, you know, where we don't have to do any of this. This stuff, okay, I'll find you a different one. No worries. But if we were, like, still living in Bel Air, you know, we didn't. We didn't have to flee. We weren't broke. Our house didn't. We didn't get scammed. I'm like, would we. Would you have ever done these things and found how happy it actually makes you?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then there's so many things, like, we brought back the pod. I'm like, this is. And I feel like this is the best iteration of the pod. And we're having so much fun. And it's like, we wouldn't have done that, like, had. If things were just easy. We'd be in la, like, bored, probably just, like, spending money on shit we don't care about.

[A]

This year has really been, like, a Disney film. It's just like, we had everything we want. When I met you, I was, like, on top of my world, right? Like, multiple scripts, multiple shows in development. Had just released my first feature. I was just like, oh, I could do whatever I want. And in many ways, that arrogance hurt my work because I wasn't listening as much. I wasn't, like, you know, taking notes. And I still don't take that many notes, but I will listen now. And I'm like, yo, I need to at least give everyone the credit. I need to listen, I need to process, and I need to, like, give a mature response, whether I agree or disagree.

[B]

Yeah, you've grown a lot as a person, and it's been really just beautiful for me to see. Not because I think that you ever needed to change, but I just think your relationship with the people you work with and your relationship with your work is in such a good place, and you're really, like, at the root of it, it's that you're in such a good place that you're able to show up better, which is just really, really, really makes me so happy because I know that a lot of what was happening before was just because, you know, you were dealing with shit internally or externally or whatever it was, and it was kind of seeping into different areas of your life.

[A]

Yeah, I think the word. I think I hit a rut as an artist because I started to just write things and direct in a way where I was just like, if it makes sense to me, it makes sense. Yeah, I don't gotta worry about if it makes sense to you, like producer man, studio man. Like, like, if it made sense to me and my friends, I was like, fine. But then with hardship and like the need for jobs and the need for people to be happy and purchase my work, I was like, okay, I have to listen. I like, can't just throw this thing out again. And I think it was with the Vice doc and like getting that out, finishing that film, that's when I was like, look, I need to really care if other people understand what I'm doing. And. And that seems so mature, immature as a 43 year old being like, I just realized the audience needs to understand what I'm doing. But I think my strength has always been like this voice that I'm loyal to. And I realize, like, my work doesn't get worse and I'm not being disloyal to the voice. It's. I'm opening the shit up so more people can understand and engage and appreciate it. And. And I think a lot of it came from like insecurity actually. Before.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And just recognizing my insecurity and feeling like I wouldn't be understood or feeling people didn't understand me. Like just being like, yo, it's okay if people don't get what I'm saying the first time is my job to explain. It's my job to help you understand what I'm saying. And like engaging that aspect of the work has made it better and. And I don't think I would have done that without all this hardship.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

What do you think you get misunderstood about the most?

[A]

I think a lot of times I use humor to like shine a light on something and people are like, you're making fun of me. And I'm like, no, I'm actually like making fun of this situation and myself. I think a lot of my jokes are open ended or they're like sharp in a way. But I'm not actually like mad or angry with people. I'm more just like, yo, check out that behavior. It doesn't mean you're terrible. Like for instance, Chinese chicken salad Joe. Right on the Them Jeans episode. It has created chaos. There are multiple people in my DMs like, are you making fun of me? Was that about me? And I was like, dude, no, it was a two very specific people in la. And it was the way they said it and responded. Literally, oh my God, like it was literally two people. But I've had so many Chinese chicken salad conversations with so many people that multiple people are like, yo, I'm so sorry I brought it up. I remember that time. And I'm like, dude, it was not you. I didn't even remember that conversation with you. But like, I think that many times people think I'm making fun of them and I'm making fun of like the phenomenon, if that makes any sense.

[C]

It does. Some people just can't get over the words that you use in a joke or something. And like I, I can't.

[A]

Yeah. Especially with studios and producers, a lot of times they're just like, hey, Eddie, like we're with you. But like people may not want to be made fun of for that. Like people are going to turn off the show if you're making that joke. And I was like, why can't we laugh at ourselves? Because I make fun of myself a lot, you know, So I think that's the thing is I have a threshold for laughing at myself that's like quite high that other people necessarily have. And I need to respect that because I was, I grew up in an abusive home. Like I was made fun of and hit from day one. Right. And even when I write in my New York magazine column, like Natasha, there's weeks where she's like, I don't like the way you represented me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I have another friend, the dapper gentleman in that column that called me and like I had a conversation, I was like, oh, I understand why you're upset now. But like, I think sometimes I don't understand why someone would be mad about a joke because cuz I find humor to be a thing where like, if your friends are making fun of you, they love you.

[B]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[C]

That's why you're home in New York.

[B]

Totally. So much easier to make fun of people here.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. La, you make fun of someone. Honestly, they're just like, I'm going to your job. Up. What?

[B]

Yeah. That can't be the response I think too. It's like, I don't, I never feel like when you're making a joke, it's malicious. It's always like at its core, very kind hearted.

[A]

I love people.

[B]

Yeah. I'm like, you really do love people. That's the thing. And I've never. And just to say this, like, maybe this plays onto like you being misunderstood about the jokes you make and making fun of people. I have never in my life met somebody as like, pro, pro friendship as you. You will give somebody, like, you'll. The worst thing, somebody could do the worst thing and then you'll be like, yeah, fudge that person. But if they apologize to you or they just do one, not even apologize. But if they're just like, give you a touch, you'll have the conversation with them and fix it. Like, you have so much love for people. You value friendship, you value relationship. Like, at its core it is one of the things that I love the most about you. Like, there is just no, you won't throw people away. Like, you just will not. And like, just a testament, like you may jab people and it's funny, but it's like you love people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You love the people in your life.

[A]

Like, I think about my parents every day. And like every day I'm like, is today the day I'm going to call them? And I don't, I haven't because I don't think I'm like ready yet. I don't think our family is ready to receive what will come back. Because like, I just, I know my mom and dad are going to act weird, like this is what's going to happen. But I think that is the core and where that sentiment comes from, where even if I have a friendship that goes sideways, I want it to work out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's only maybe three people I've closed the door on and it's because I've told them how we need to move as friends and there's like certain things not to touch. And they kept getting touched. You know, like the person that came to dinner, we know, it was like they came and immediately brought up the like three pain points. And I was like, that I'm our friendship. The purpose of our friendship is not for you to find out all of my most painful and poke it. And I think there's only like two or three people that are not in my life as friends anymore.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, yeah, yeah. I love people, man. I really do.

[B]

And like, and even still those people, I like know who they are. But I think even though they're not presently in your life, it's like you still have so much love for them. Like, it's Never, like, fuck you. You know, it's always. And even still, like, I do think the door is always open for you. That's what I've learned about you. And, like, when I. When I met you, because I'm the opposite of you, I will literally just never talk to somebody again. Dead to me vibes, see you on the street, never knew you. Like, I'm so far the opposite extreme. But. But I think that. And that's because it's like, my dad. Shit. But you. I'm just like. When I. When I met you, I was like, oh, I thought when everybody was like that, like, how I am. And then I was like, oh, no, not you. You. Like, and I want to be more like you.

[A]

Yeah, The. Well, thanks, babe. Like, you know, the. You know, you shouldn't be more like me, because if you were, there would be terrible childcare in the house. But, like, there would be no one taking care of him if you were more like me. But I will say this. The people I shut the door on, and it's not out of, like, hatred or anger. It's actually out of love and respect. Is exes do not talk to exes. And it's like, you don't have to have the same rule. Like, I just. I know the way I am.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And because I am so open, and I'm always, like, revitalizing friendships, the only doors I never open are exes. Out of respect.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because that. That's where you're playing with fire. And it's like, people can misconstrue, and I would never open the door to any of them. So that's the only one. You. You're actually pretty good at, like, maintaining friendship with exes.

[B]

I. I am. I have one ex who I'm. We don't speak.

[A]

That's the guy that drives around the coffee shop and yells at us out of the car.

[B]

I mean, oh, my God. Yeah, we don't speak, but other than that. But I. I have very, like, clear and distinct boundaries where I'm just like, if you need something, you can text me. The door is always open. But, like, I will not. We will not see each other in person. Like, we will never hang out. There's no, like, grabbing of a coffee. I just am very. And, like, this probably goes back to having a tumultuous relationship with my father. I've always had partners who, like, have had those same, I guess maybe qualities that I saw in my dad. Like, this is all in hindsight, and I cut my dad off and then he died before we got to, like, reconcile. So I think that's my trigger there, where I'm like, oh, I've, Like, I learned the ultimate lesson. So with that, I kind of. I guess it's like a soft spot or, like, a weakness that I would have.

[A]

No, it's not. Like, I think about your father and my family, and I'm just like, I really hope we work this out.

[B]

No, yeah, me too.

[A]

If somebody is friends with, like, Evan or my parents, like, show them this episode, please. Because, like, I can't. Because if I do it, then they're like, oh, he knows he was wrong. And I'm like, no, it's. You guys are wrong. They're definitely wrong. I know you guys are wrong, but, like, I don't care. Like, the slate is clean for me. I would welcome them if they would just stop poking all of the wounds.

[B]

I think it's. Stop whoever. I think it's so far, like, who cares who is right and wrong? That doesn't matter. There's no. There's. It's just. Everyone has their own version and their own perspective. They're. You're never gonna get anywhere being like, I was right and you were wrong, or you were right and I was wrong. That's just, like, bullshit needs to be put off the table. But, yeah, I think I really thought.

[A]

This was gonna be the Black Friday holiday gift guide episode.

[B]

Oh, we're getting there, baby.

[A]

And now I'm just like, no. But now I'm just like, bro. It's so. No, this is so real, though, because honestly, it has hung over me all fucking year. I really miss my family, but I'm in this conundrum because I. Like, I cannot allow them to keep treating me and treating us the way that they have. They need to, like, acknowledge this is our life, this is our family. We make our choices. I mean, it's so bad that we got married and my parents didn't mail in our marriage certificate and put me in US but luckily, you trust me and you know me.

[B]

But it's like, okay, but here's my thing. It's. I. I'm not. I've been. Whatever. They're your. They're your parents, right? Like, they're your blood family, so you have more stake in that game. I. Like, nothing they're gonna do is ever gonna hurt me. Fine. You know, it's okay. I can. I have just. I have the ability to show up the way that you show up with my mom. It's like, my mom can hit my Triggers. But you're like, natasha, like, get over it. It's fine.

[A]

Yeah, I love.

[B]

I can. Yeah. My mom's the best.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I can bring that with you.

[A]

Like, I just want to clarify. My relationship with your mom is nothing like yours with mine, because your mom doesn't do me dirty. No, but your mom. Your mom may be annoying sometimes, but, like. And, Paul, you know, like, sometimes you're annoying, but, like, I love Paula. Like, Paula is an incredible mom. Grandmother.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, like, it's just that, you know, my thing with your mom, and I'm happy to talk about it, because I know Paula listens, and this is, like, a better way to communicate.

[B]

Yeah, but.

[A]

But my thing is just that she is so used to being the queen of your universe and your house. I take my role very seriously as, like, provider and man of the house. And, like, there's certain things I do for you and for Senna, and when your mom comes, she does them for you and she does them for Senna, and it displaces me, and I'm such a, like, workhorse that I'm like, yo, give me my job back. Yeah, I want my job.

[B]

You guys are fighting for the caretaker role of the teen mom in the house.

[A]

Yeah. And then I'm fine. Fine with it. Because when Paula starts to, like, do bedtime for him, do bath time and do the things for you, I'm like, all right, cool. Like, I can go to the baths. Yeah, right. I'll go to the. I could watch more football. I'm like, there's a benefit to that. But then when Paula starts to delegate tasks to me, I'm like, no. Yeah, but that's just me. And that's me being a weirdo.

[B]

No. 100%. I think I've also had to really. It's growing up. We grew. I grew up in such a unique situation, truly, like, even to the. Even before my parents got a divorce, like, my dad would, like, he worked away a lot, and then he was just, like, not in our house. Like, he was just, like, not in our house. So I always just lived with my mom. I never lived with it. Like, I Truly foreign to me. Like, I didn't even understand. So sometimes even with us, like, I'm so accustomed to single mom shit that, like, sometimes I'm just like, I don't, like, go do something. Like, I don't even know. Like, it took a lot for us to get to the point where we could hang out together as a family in a normal way, because I. Having a dad, like, it sounds crazy. I'm like, what the fuck is the purpose of this? I don't understand. Like. Cause I've only ever had mom. And my mom was my mom, my dad, she was everything. So I think my mom also is adjusting to like having a man around. And what is the role of a man? Cause my mom is, my mom really is like a dude. Like, she's like, had to have so much masculine energy her whole life. She had to step into like every single role and have it on her back and do all the things and like, so much respect to her. And I also.

[A]

She is like a dude because she'd be delegating. Like, she's my boss. I'm like, hey, yo. And then like the two of us, like.

[B]

But I think the thing that she doesn't communicate to you, that she communicates to me. A lot of the time when she comes, she will tell me like, I'll go do this. You spend time together alone. Like, you need your alone time with Eddie. Like, I know, but we'll get better at it. Like, it's just, it's just because we're. When we were living in LA and we had a big ass house and there was like space for everybody, it was cool. Now we're in like an apartment. It's hard to like be like, oh, we're just gonna go in the room. He's knocking at the door, he's like, mommy, come out. Like, it's just, it's tough. But I think her intentions are prayer. But all of that to say is like the, the. When my mom triggers me, it doesn't trigger you. When your family triggers you, obviously I'm like, I just want you to be happy. So I'm. Whatever you choose to do with that situation, I'm in full support of like, I, I think, yeah, I think just baby steps. And like you'll, you're going to get, you're going to know what to do internally for yourself. It's going to feel right. But I do think the thing that I have told every single person that I always, I'm like, it's just like, nothing's that serious. And you get one set of parents. And I think for you it's just knowing and setting your expectations like your parents are your parents. I don't think expecting them to change and be different at this point is realistic. I think it's just like, I'm going to accept that you're probably going to trigger me or piss me off or do something, but it's just on you, I think, to be, like, in that moment, either say something or don't, but just make peace with how you're gonna handle it.

[A]

And I can boil this down and, like, if my dad is listening, I really hope my dad is listening. I. I really love you. I love my dad. Our relationship is the best when we are homies.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Just, like, dudes playing basketball, watching basketball, eating out, telling dirty jokes, like, the best. My dad is my, like, my best friend. And, like, that's the way, like, I hope one day I am with Senna. Like, best friend. What gets weird is when he tries to be my dad, and he kind of just, like, wasn't there until I was, like, 15. Like, my dad just wasn't around and didn't parent. And I asked him when we had sent. I was like, dad, what was I like when I was one or two? And he actually admitted he laughed. He goes, I actually don't know because I wasn't around. And I was like, I appreciate that. Yeah, I really appreciate that. And I love the dark humor. And that's why I think I have so much dark humor and I tell so many jokes, is because, like, I had to laugh to accept my family situation. My dad, straight up, was not a dad. And I think my pain point with my dad is when he wants me to act like a Confucian son. Like, bring me water, cut this pie for me. Like, cook for me. Put on Thanksgiving for me with your wife. I'm like, you did you like, Bro, you never were a dad. So I'm not gonna be this pious son massaging your back, bringing green tea and a hot towel, you know, like, it's just not happening. But I will be your homie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because you were my homie, and I love you. And, like, with my mom, the thing is, is we've never been able to be homies. And she's always been a bit too much of, like, tiger telling me exactly what to do, telling me who I am, telling me, you know, what I gotta do for her to love me. And I'm just like, yo, this is not a business transaction. I think the issue with my mom is everything's too fucking transactional. She treats me like an employee. And I'm like, just, let's just be friends. And I think that's the thing with my parents is I'm so old now. They're so old now, there's no point to be parents. Like, you guys weren't really. You guys were just odd as parents. And, like, I can accept you as friends, but I don't want to play the parent kid role. Does that make sense?

[B]

Yeah, I hope it makes a lot of sense.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

And I think if you can communicate that and find a way that maybe, like, maybe they don't meet you all the way there, they meet you here, but you meet them there with wanting to maybe just parent a little, you know, because like, you're a dad, you know, you're always going to want to tell Senna, like, if you see something. Because I think a lot of the times too, it's like, even when you're friends with somebody outside of being a parent, you could be friends with somebody and be like, I can tell, like, that job's really not good for you, you know, and you want to tell them, right? So I'm sure, like, as a parent, you're going to have that for your whole life. You're connected to this person. I'm sure that's never going to go away in that sense where they're going to want to just like, do that a little bit. And you're. You can meet them and ex. You know, receive some, but then they can meet you and just meet you with the friendship. Like, there's a way that everybody finds common ground and there's a happy medium and thing is, is like, it's never just gonna be smooth seas all the time. Like, it's never gonna, like someone's gonna hit a fucking bump, right? And it's just like, own it, talk about it, deal with it, apologize whoever needs to apologize, and then you just move the fuck on.

[A]

Yeah, if. If my mom apologizes to you for the way things have gone down, I'm cool. Yeah, but she gotta make that call. And then the last one is Evan, right? Where it's like, Evan appreciates the way my parents parented him. They had money when he was a kid. They have a good relationship, me and Emory, I'll speak for even just myself. But I know if Emery was on the pod, we gotta have Emery on the pod sometimes. But, like, we were not very satisfied with the way we were parented. We had the shit kicked out of us, like, verbally, physically, like, just abused in many, many ways that like, we had to hide and could not speak about. And then we were gaslit by my parents. Like, this is how Asian people raise kids. And I'm like, nah, even your own friends aren't doing it like this, you know? And I think that I spoke up about how I would like to be parented. The type of parent I needed. And the, like, conversations I needed, and they just never happened. And my struggle with my parents has just always been. They're like, but we.

[B]

We.

[A]

We gave you food, we gave you clothes. You had a great house. You, like, you went to private school for, like, many years in middle school. And I was like, that stuff you guys wanted to do, that's what you guys decided to do as parents. But, like, you never listened. And I think after your childhood is over, I'm ready to clean the slate. But I'm just like, let's just all call a spade a spade. You aren't happy with me as a child. I'm not happy with you as a parent. But biologically, we fucking love each other, and let's just be friends. We don't have to agree on anything. I just want to be friends. Yeah.

[B]

I think cleaning the slate is important. I also think, in Evan's defense, every child. I mean, I've read this. Now that we have a child, it's like, you can have six kids. Every single one of them has a different set of parents. It's just, that's. And his reality is valid. You and Emory, your reality is valid. Your parents maybe feel differently about it, and that's valid. And I think, yeah, wiping the slate clean and just being like, we're gonna move forward in a way that's healthy for all of us is great.

[A]

That's what we would like to. That's okay. That's all I want for the holiday season is a phone call from my parents, a phone call from my brother. We live in the same fucking city. If anyone listening to the show is friends with Evan, have him listen to this. Just. We wanna clean the slate and be friends, but you guys were assholes at the Cheesecake Factory. All right, Rapid fire for Natasha's gift giving. All right, we're talking handbags here. All right, you're gonn love. Hate this. Oh, MCM or Michael Kors? Okay, we got to go rapid fire handbags. MCM or Michael Kors? Pick one.

[B]

Michael Kors.

[A]

Michael Kors or Kith?

[B]

Kith.

[A]

Kith or off white?

[B]

Kith.

[A]

Kith or reusable? Trader Joe's Tote.

[B]

Reusable. Trader Joe's Tote.

[A]

Reusable. Trader Joe's Tote or IKEA bag?

[B]

Ikea bag.

[A]

Ikea bag or Kirkland Birkin?

[B]

Ikea bag.

[A]

Okay, IKEA bag is what you're gonna get this Christmas. Thank you, everybody, for watching.

[B]

The holiday is what Eddie will never get again. Hey, bro, come on, come on.

[A]

If I Just get a foot in the mouth. I'm happy. All right. I mean, I'm eating popcorn shrimp.

[C]

Put your own foot up there.

[B]

If anyone wants to have sex with this man, be my guest, because it's not gonna be me.

[A]

No, I'm gonna just take her foot, sprinkle some shredded coconut, get some coconut shrimp.

[B]

I'm good. IKEA dries me up. All those brands drive me right up. You know, it gets me wet.

[A]

You know what?

[B]

Coach had an orange bag.

[A]

I saw your friend Andrea with a nice suede.

[B]

Coach, that's like a. That's a gift you come home with on a random day.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That's like.

[A]

Okay, okay. Let me ask you a question. Considering you've seen my bank account, what is it? What would you like for Christmas that I can afford?

[B]

Get your money up and get me a real gift.

[A]

All right. Yo, I'm going to go on Fanduel and I'm going to try to win you a bag. What do you mean, what do I need to win? What do I need to win? What do you want?

[B]

I. Listen, you listen. This is what I'm going to say. I have endured horrible, horrible, horrible birthdays, Christmases. Like, you got me a bag of chocolate covered chips for my. My birthday this year, so I'm going to need you. It doesn't even need to be. Listen, it doesn't need to be expensive, but I need you to come through. Like, it needs to be thoughtful.

[A]

Do we want.

[B]

It doesn't need to be expensive. It doesn't need to be a designer handbag. I need you. Like, you need to rack your brain. Like, I need you to figure out. Because I bet you you can't even think of one thing that is like, I know.

[A]

This is what I need to wrap me, Harold and Sal, our doorman. We need to figure out a six leg parlay that is a lock that is going to hit so that I can buy Natasha something.

[B]

It doesn't need to be. No, it. That's what I'm saying. It doesn't need to be expensive. It needs to be thoughtful. You need to, like, blow me away with the thought that you put into it. Like, it needs to, like, connect dots of, like, things that we. It just. Like, I write you cards where everything I've written doesn't fit on the car. I have to, like, go in the back. And I've done that for you, for everything. I. You've never.

[A]

I wrote you a novel. I wrote you a novel. I wrote our novel. This is this episode's ending. Here because there's. There's. People are making personal attacks off of.

[B]

The things that I've. Personal attacks.

[A]

I wrote. I wrote a novel about her. I love her. What an amazing episode. Thank you.