Quirked Up White Boys, Bachelor Parties & Fantasy Coaching

Summary

Canal Street Dreams Episode Summary
Podcast: Canal Street Dreams
Hosts: Eddie Huang & Natashia Perrotti
Episode: "Quirked Up White Boys, Bachelor Parties & Fantasy Coaching"
Date: March 31, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this candid, laughter-filled episode, Eddie and Natashia settle in for an intimate one-on-one conversation that swings from the realities of marriage, parenting, and relentless workdays to the hilarities of fantasy sports, foodie hot takes, bachelor party chaos, and defining “quirked up white boys.” The duo seamlessly balances insightful reflections—on love, family boundaries, generational trauma, and happiness—with irreverent banter and listener Q&A. Raw, honest, and always a little wild, this episode is a quintessential slice of Canal Street Dreams life.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Marriage, Parenting & Work-Life Chaos

• The pair open by sharing how exhaustion can paradoxically fuel more energy and productivity at home and work.
• Parenting and dividing tasks, especially garbage duty, provide a window into how minor miscommunications can escalate, often coinciding with sports calendars.
  • Quote: "The more tired you are, the more energy you have. In a weird way." — Natashia (00:34)
  • Quote: "We canceled the pod the other day because... the timing of our beef always lines up with the sports calendar." — Eddie (01:07)
• Natashia challenges the myth that she is annoyed by Eddie watching sports—she likes basketball but draws the line at football:
  • Quote: "Basketball, so mellow. ... I would go to a basketball game. I would not go to a football game unless it’s like, Rose Bowl vibes." — Natashia (03:28)

2. Fantasy Sports (with Existential Weight)

• Eddie passionately describes the emotional importance of his fantasy basketball league—funnily ranking it just behind family and career.
• "Coaching" his team is described as a mystical, maybe delusional, process:
  • Quote: "These guys know what we're doing. They know if they're in the lineup... there's an actual scientific impact that humans in this moment of human history don't understand. But I know I’m influencing this game." — Eddie (06:57)
  • Natashia is both supportive and gently skeptical, poking fun at fantasy’s imaginary “coaching” element.
• The fantasy league chat memes and in-jokes highlight how integral this community is for Eddie.
• Natashia’s mock advice to her younger self: "Be prepared for all adult men to be addicted to gambling." (09:48)

3. Relationships, Love & Emotional Self-Advice

• Eddie would tell his younger self to "not fight any feeling":
  • Quote: "Having feelings for people, things, doesn't make you weak. It's actually why we're here." — Eddie (08:48)
• Natashia would focus less on men and be wary of the universal male penchant for gambling (09:48).
• On longevity and depth in romantic relationships, both note the importance of letting go of arbitrary relationship timelines and expectations (37:03—37:32).

4. Attraction & The “Yellow Fever” Meme

• Responding to a question about “yellow fever,” Natashia describes how a trip to Japan catalyzed a “yellow awakening” (11:00–12:12):
  • Quote: "No, like, Asian men are hot as fuck... I wouldn’t say I have yellow fever, but I had maybe, like, a yellow awakening."
• There’s commentary on shifting Asian male representation in media and the cultural arc from Italian gangster to Asian gangster cool:
  • Quote: "I think there's a gap. I think that's like, the next thing..." — Natasha (13:34)

5. The “Quirked Up White Boy” Phenomenon

• Listeners ask: “How quirked up should a white boy get?” Chris (producer/friend) notes the key is authenticity (14:51):
  • Quote: "You gotta, like, cork up all the way, but it's got to be real... where white guys fuck up is we, like, try to fake the cork." — Chris (14:51)
  • Eddie and Natasha riff on how “corked up” energy shows up in diners, fashion, and social signals in New York dining culture.
• Attempts to manufacture eccentricity always fail—true quirk comes from within.

6. Burger Culture: LA vs. The World

• Eddie and Natasha field a food question: Is LA really the burger capital?
  • Eddie shouts out the South (Memphis) for best burgers, but gives LA the “Silicon Valley of burger culture” title (16:59–18:37).
  • Natasha is not an Apple Pan fan, loves LA’s burger variety, and agrees the city is obsessed:
    • Quote: "LA is definitely like, we want to do hamburgers." — Natasha (18:37)

7. Bachelor Party Ethics & Stories from the Wild Years

• Sparked by a listener’s question, both hosts agree bachelor parties for a second wedding are a "red flag" and “corny" (18:47–19:51).
• Eddie regales listeners with outrageous stories from a debauched Florida bachelor party—scandal, urinating off balconies, stolen burritos, and all (21:05–25:42).
  • Memorable moment: “We ironed them [frozen burritos]... Ironed them to life. Then we were like, yo, illest day ever.” — Eddie
  • Wild young exploits, throwing furniture out of hotel rooms, and how these stories bond into young adulthood (25:42–27:54).
• Segue into advice: “How corked up can a white boy get? Too corked up is when he's throwing a sofa out the hotel window.” — Natashia (28:03–28:19)

8. Reflections on 20s vs. 30s Life

• With age comes less patience for wedding excess and party culture—Natashia recounts wild spring break anecdotes and says she has no desire to return (30:44–32:57).
• Advice for the young: “Go harder. Make more mistakes. Do more fucked up shit. Stay out later. Those times you’re like, I’m tired…No, go the fuck out.” — Natasha (32:51)

9. “Meant to Be” — How Did You Know?

• The pair candidly recall early relationship moments that made them realize they were each other's person, mixing heartfelt admiration and classic Huang humor (34:24–40:21).
  • Quote: "[You have] a smile, like a devious laugh behind it. ... There's always, like, a thing. There's always a flirtation." — Eddie (35:14)
  • Natashia pinpoints a Boston trip as the turning point: “There was a knowing…things were serious and not just like…I didn't not care about you.” (38:07)

10. Family Boundaries, Generational Trauma & Going No Contact

• Responding to a question on family estrangement, Eddie provides a moving, detailed account of cutting off contact with his parents for healing (41:38–45:36).
  • Quote: "You do owe it...to become yourself. ... I couldn't hear myself. I couldn't stand up for myself." — Eddie (44:44)
• The nuances of guilt, loyalty, and the instinct to repair family relationships are discussed honestly:
  • Quote: “Families are complicated. ... If you can choose to be happy and you can choose to reframe things in your own reality and in your own perspective, you’re a happier person for it.” — Natasha (52:48)
• Both reflect on friendship boundaries, learning to expect—and accept—different levels of seriousness and intimacy in relationships (54:11–55:54).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• "Having feelings for people, things, doesn’t make you weak. It's actually why we're here." — Eddie (08:48)
• "Be prepared for all adult men to be addicted to gambling." — Natashia (09:48)
• “No, like, Asian men are hot as fuck...I had maybe, like, a yellow awakening of sorts.” — Natashia (11:00)
• "You gotta, like, cork up all the way, but it's got to be real... or you gotta set it out." — Chris (14:51)
• "We ironed them [frozen burritos]... Ironed them to life. Then we were like, yo, illest day ever." — Eddie (24:11)
• “How corked up can a white boy get? Too corked up is when he's throwing a sofa out the hotel window.” — Natashia (28:03)
• “Go harder. Make more mistakes…. Those times you’re like, I’m tired… No, go the fuck out.” — Natasha (32:51)
• "[You have] a smile, like a devious laugh behind it...There's always, like, a thing. There's always a flirtation." — Eddie (35:14)
• "You do owe it...to become yourself...I couldn't hear myself. I couldn't stand up for myself." — Eddie (44:44)
• “If you can choose to be happy and you can choose to reframe things in your own reality and in your own perspective, you’re a happier person for it.” — Natasha (52:48)
• "Some friendships... just cannot support a level of seriousness... and you just gotta be honest." — Eddie (54:11)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00 – 04:51: Opening, exhaustion, sports/marriage dynamics, and parenting
• 05:04 – 08:30: Fantasy basketball passion and “coaching” delusions
• 08:41 – 10:17: Advice to younger selves about relationships and gambling
• 11:00 – 13:12: The “yellow fever” meme, Asian male desirability, and gangster genre nostalgia
• 14:00 – 16:43: Defining “quirked up white boys,” authenticity, and NY dining observations
• 16:59 – 18:47: LA’s burger culture vs. the South and Japan
• 18:47 – 30:06: Bachelor party ethics, outrageous youth stories, and spring break anecdotes
• 32:51 – 34:06: Advice for the young to “go harder” before settling down
• 34:27 – 41:03: Relationship stories—How did you know it was meant to be?
• 41:38 – 55:54: Family boundaries, going no-contact with parents/siblings, learning relationship limitations

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Episode Takeaways

• The realities of parenting, partnership, work, and emotional growth are messy, hilarious, and profound, often all at once.
• Humor, authenticity, and acceptance (whether dressing quirky or setting boundaries) are the ingredients for thriving amid chaos.
• The best relationships—romantic, familial, or friendly—work not by demanding everything from each other, but by knowing what each can truly offer.

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For anyone who missed the episode, this sum-up captures the whirlwind of wisdom, irreverence, and real talk that is Canal Street Dreams at its finest.

Transcript

[Eddie]

All right. Canal Street Dreams. Welcome back. Our favorite the one on one episodes. We're back inside. It's very cold again. This weather, it's like one day, it's spring. One day, it's hell. I don't know what's going on.

[Natasha]

Classic east coast.

[Eddie]

Yes.

[Natasha]

70 degrees, and then it's going to snow in, like, three days.

[Eddie]

I'm nasally, can't stop blowing my nose. But I'm very happy. Like, it's one of those moments in life. I'm sure everybody goes through it where my body has nothing left to give. I'm so exhausted, but I'm existentially so happy and satisfied.

[Natasha]

Yeah, I feel like the kind of thing is, like, the more tired you are, the more energy you have. In a weird way, it's like you're exhausted, but you have more energy to, like, do shit. It's. It's a bit of a conundrum.

[Eddie]

Yeah. Yeah. And then, like, I see you tired and working, so I want to work more when I get home. You know, like, we're both just trying to help. Like, you're working at the restaurant now. I'm taking out garbage. Yeah, things are happening. Yeah, things are happening.

[Natasha]

Garbage is being taken out in our house.

[Eddie]

Garbage. I mean, the garbage was a source of. Of beef too, you know. Should we talk about garbage or. No?

[Natasha]

Yeah, we could talk about it.

[Eddie]

You know, we canceled the pod the other day because. Oh, well, also, the timing of our beef always lines up with the sports calendar.

[Natasha]

No, I don't think that this is real. I think it might be subconscious.

[Eddie]

No, it is real for you. It is real because we have beefed since the end of football season, literally, okay, super bowl and even the playoffs, because you didn't. You didn't get mad about the Super Bowl. Oh, actually, you didn't come to the super bowl, so. No, you just didn't come. So the last kind of thing was the Super Bowl. We have not argued until this week, which happens to coincide with the first basketball game I've watched in full this season.

[Natasha]

Yeah, but I think there's also a lot of factors. Like, I think that you. You're working, what, you leave the house around, like, nine, and you get home around 10. So you're working insane hours. And I mean, for the most part, up until this week, I'm working here, but it was just me with Senna. So I think with two people, when you have a kid and one person is so focused on one thing and the other person. That's my role. Yeah, It's Just hard. It's just difficult for one person to carry one whole thing and the other person to carry the other whole thing.

[Eddie]

Yes. And I watched basketball on my one off day.

[Natasha]

I don't even think it's that. I think it's just, like, people, like, we're both tired.

[Eddie]

We're both tired and so little.

[Natasha]

Like, it's just natural that, like, something small is going to set us off. Like, I don't think that it's necessarily about basketball. I think it's just, like, a small thing of, like, one person's like, hey, can you take out the trash? The other person is like, I was going to do that. Like, don't get on my ass about it, but it's just a miscommunication, really. At the end of the day, it's not. It's. I don't think that I'm, like, mad about you watching sports. I don't.

[Eddie]

Thank you. I appreciate that.

[Natasha]

I really don't care.

[Eddie]

I. I think you're upset, but it's okay. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I will.

[Natasha]

I'm really upset about you watching basketball. Basketball is my most favorite out of all the sports.

[Eddie]

Oh, really?

[Natasha]

Yeah. Football is like. Football just, like. It's like a. It's just like. It, like, grinds my gears when I hear it because it's like, two minutes is 35 minutes. I just. I can't. With a football game. Like, when it's on, it's just never ending. And then there's like 1700 of them. Like, every. It's like football Sunday, back to back to back to back. Monday, back to back to back. And I watch Thursday.

[Eddie]

Like, there's four games. Yeah.

[Natasha]

The red zone. There's like, 17 screens. You're like, it's just that shit bothers me. Basketball, so mellow. I like. And I actually like watching basketball. Like, I would go to a basketball game. I would not go to a football game unless it's like, Rose bowl vibes.

[Eddie]

Just know your son is going to be a sports fan. Like, not because of me. He watches dino races, and it's like that. Who gonna win? Who gonna win? And we're watching these dino races, and I'm just like, this is great, because he's gonna watch sports with me, but I love that.

[Natasha]

I'm, like, happy for that. You guys can watch sports, and then, like, I can go do my thing.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Natasha]

That's like, when I was. When we were having a kid and we weren't sure. I mean, obviously in the beginning, you don't know the gender, Right. You're like, it's this fun waiting game for, like, I think now it's like two months, three months, whatever. And I was like, oh, my God. I just couldn't fathom having a son. Now I'm like, this is the greatest shit in the world. Because there's so many things that he can do with you.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Natasha]

And there's. The things that we do together are so cute and, like, loving and, like, he likes to cuddle with me. Wants to, like, watch a movie with me and, like, hang out and be, like, cozy and give me kisses. And he wants to, like, do war with you. He's like, let's make a dinosaur army and, like, battle. And I'm like, I don't want to do that, honestly.

[Eddie]

We make armies. We battle. We do judo.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

You know, he's into the fantasy finals right now. I've been telling him what's going on. He's like, basketball, let's watch basketball.

[Natasha]

Like, he was bouncing his basketball today. He was, like, into it.

[Eddie]

He watched the last quarter of Thunder Celtics with me right before the garbage debacle. You know, it was actually, like, a really nice moment of the week. But I. I just want everyone. I am in the finals of my fantasy basketball league. This is.

[Natasha]

I love that.

[Eddie]

The, like, fifth most important thing in my life is this fantasy league. That's fair. Behind you, Senna. The restaurant writing. It's. It's a fantasy basketball league.

[Natasha]

That's fair.

[Eddie]

World War three is, like, sixth.

[Natasha]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is like. This has an end. World War three doesn't look like. No for us. That's good.

[Eddie]

No, this ends Sunday. I'm playing Mills, who you also love.

[Natasha]

Oh, I love that.

[Eddie]

Yeah. And I was just like, I've not watched ball all year, so this week I was like, I got to coach my team.

[Natasha]

Mills, friend of the pod.

[Eddie]

Friend of the pod. I think our second guest ever. And I. I coached the first night, and you were cool. The second night I decided not to coach. It was great. That was actually the best night of the week. And I was like, wow, that was great for my life. But my team lost. Like, we were losing. Like, I was. I was tied the first night. 4 4. Second night, I went down big. Mills is up 5 4. Then I was like, I gotta coach Wednesday.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

So then I coached Wednesday. We. We fought about trash. Taking out trash.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

We don't need to walk people through the. The step by step of it.

[Natasha]

Yeah. It was boring. It was it was boring.

[Eddie]

It's not a good fight.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

But then last night I was like, look, you're already mad and I'm down five, four. And there's money on the line. I have to coach the guys. We're up 5, 4. We're up 5, 4.

[Natasha]

There's a question, like, because I just don't understand fantasy. Right? Like, I understand you, like, make your team.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Natasha]

You pick your guys. Right. And then you guys are, like, actively trading throughout the season. When you use the word coach, Right. When you're coaching your team, do you think that you have any influence over what these men are doing in their games?

[Eddie]

Absolutely.

[Natasha]

So basically, you're just watching them do what they do.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Natasha]

They're gonna do what they do if they were on your team or not. So what is the coaching element of it?

[Eddie]

This is like, if you believe. I mean, you read a lot of phys.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

There's other dimensions, I think. There's gut intelligence, there's future knowledge, there's past knowledge. These guys know what we're doing. They know if they're in the lineup, they know if they're not in the lineup. They know if you're not setting your lineups, they know who you're picking up. These guys know, like, they know, like, there's an actual scientific impact that humans in this moment of human history don't understand.

[Natasha]

Okay.

[Eddie]

But I know I'm influencing this game.

[Natasha]

I'm so excited for when, like, AI takes over and some, like, weird super human computer just, like, is mining the humans, and they're, like, looking at the ancient text of humans and they're like, oh, yes, the fantasy football chats.

[Eddie]

Oh, I want to play Chat. GBT and fantasy. You should want to play.

[Natasha]

You guys should introduce that, like, next year, like, Claude should be a member of your team.

[Eddie]

You know, it's so funny because you. We broke up for, like, an hour yesterday morning, right? We broke up for an hour. And I told the chat. I was like, yo, dudes. I like, I. My marriage is over because I coached last night and I'm gonna coach tonight. And they're like, they're like, who'd you pick up on the wire? I was like, a sore Thompson. And dude started sending memes of me whispering, a sore Thompson in your ear in bed. It was, it was pretty funny. I love it. I love my fantasy chat. Yeah, but I, I, we're coaching. You have to decide who's playing, who you're picking up. I'm looking at the schedule grid to get the most Games.

[Natasha]

Yeah. Sounds so interesting and like a really good use of your time. So I love that for you guys.

[Eddie]

Should we. Should we go to the. The. There's like listener questions. Oh yeah.

[Natasha]

Which I feel is fun. Do you want to pick them or should I just go?

[Eddie]

Go.

[Natasha]

Okay. Let's see. This is a good one. What would you tell your younger self?

[Eddie]

Always remember to set your lineups, coach your team. It will impact the state of things. It will impact NBA history. I would also tell my younger self, I think cause me the most important thing to me is romance, relationships, like love stuff. I really is. So I would tell my younger self, like, I remember when I liked someone, I was like, oh, I'm dead. This sucks. I like this person. No, now I can't believe care what they think. Now I care if they care. If I take out the garbage. I don't like it. And I would just be like, pretend to not like this person. Try to not like this person. And I would tell my younger self, just don't fight any feeling. You got a feeling. Accept and acknowledge the feeling and it's okay. Having feelings for people things doesn't make you weak. It. It's actually why we're here. That's what I would tell my younger self.

[Natasha]

That's a good one.

[Eddie]

What would you.

[Natasha]

I would tell my younger self. Focus less on relationships with men and like, you know, like, just like. And then also be prepared. Be prepared for all adult men to be addicted to gambling.

[Eddie]

This is why we have fantasy sports.

[Natasha]

Yes, I was. That's what I would say.

[Eddie]

Put your heart out and you make your wife and your family your priority. And then they're going to hurt you and they're going to break up with you for hours on end.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And thank God you have fantasy. Thank God you can look at Aur Thompson schedule and stats and like, he did get three steals and two blocks last night.

[Natasha]

I'm so happy for him.

[Eddie]

Shout out Aur.

[Natasha]

Shout out him. Okay.

[Eddie]

Shout out. Ryan Calabrener also got me two blocks.

[Natasha]

Yellow fever. Let's unpack.

[Eddie]

Oh, I don't have it.

[Natasha]

I think they're referring to me.

[Eddie]

Oh, yeah.

[Natasha]

I don't. I don't think I have it necessarily. I don't think I have yellow fever. But I did have it when I went to Japan. Like I was in Japan just looking around and it was like it changed my life. I was like, these men are so hot. Like it was. And I was in Japan in what, like 2018. So this was kind of before. No, I'M just being serious.

[Eddie]

You can tell Natasha's mad through this. No, I'm not mad. She's like, oh, I'm cool. Because it's so measured.

[Natasha]

No, no, no, no. I'm really not mad. I'm telling you. I will say I. I think Asian men are just, like, slept on or were. Right. Like in the year 2018 when I

[Eddie]

was sleeping on you.

[Natasha]

But, yeah, no, but I think just culturally, like, people will be like, oh, like, what's your type? And women will be like, oh, I like, for example, tales all the time. Tall, dark and handsome. Whatever that means. Whatever. Whatever. You mean if that's, like, white or

[Eddie]

black to you, like, withering Heightsian, Cape Verdian.

[Natasha]

But, like, nobody just even, like, culturally, like, we would never have a lead like, he did. Rivalry. There's, like, a half Asian lead. He's like a heartthrob, right? Like, everyone's like, yeah, he's hot. That just, like, wasn't happening. So I went to Japan and I was, like, surrounded by Asian men. They weren't all Japanese, but I was like, oh, wow. No, like, Asian men are hot as fuck. Like, culturally, this is hot. Everything about it is hot. So I wouldn't say I have yellow fever, but I will say that I had maybe, like, a yellow awakening of sorts. And I was like, no. Like, I'm into Asian guys, but I've never. I think besides you, I maybe, like, casually dated, like, a guy that was half Japanese one time, but I don't think I have, like, yellow fever.

[Eddie]

Shout out Japan for, you know, awakening you to Asian men.

[Natasha]

No, but I feel like now there's, like, a lot of hype, like, just around, like, Asia, culturally. Obviously. We talked about, like, China maxing and just like. Yeah, I think. I think the girls are.

[Eddie]

This is usually how things happen. Japan invents things, like, something incredible. And then China's like, let's make this cheaper for general population.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

You know, let's just make it more affordable, easier to access. Readily available bootlegged.

[Natasha]

Like, I feel like the 80s, early 90s had, like, Italian mafia propaganda. Like, everybody was like, Ray Liotta and, like, Robert De Niro. Like, these are hot guys. Like, I do feel like. And then you introduced me to the yakuza papers.

[Eddie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Natasha]

And then I was like, no, Asian gangsters are hotter.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Natasha]

And then who's homie in Rush Hour with, like, the bleach blonde hair? He's now in.

[Eddie]

Oh, yeah, he's in industry.

[Natasha]

Industry. What's his name?

[Eddie]

Ken Leung.

[Natasha]

Fucking OG Hottie Like, I do feel like the. The Asian gangster genre, whether it becomes, like, back as yakuza or whatever it is. Yeah, like, that's going to. That's going to be like. The cut is going to be like, ooh, who are we lusting?

[Eddie]

You know, we need to do that. We need to.

[Natasha]

Young man, you know. You know, like, all these little, like, they're popping.

[Eddie]

Yeah. I got a call about, like, resurrecting Asian yakuza, mafia, triad.

[Natasha]

I think that's the. I think there's a gap. I think that's like, the next thing, because we've, like, beat to the mafia. Like. Yeah, they're just like, it cannot, like, you know, we can't revisit that. Yeah, let's revisit Asia.

[Eddie]

We need. We need street wear gangs fighting over salvaged animals.

[Natasha]

I like this, and I think, Chris, I think you could get involved in this one. How corked up should a white boy get? And how corked up should he be?

[Eddie]

What's quirk? Like, I don't know what that means.

[Natasha]

Like, quirked up. Like, I think it just means, like. I think it means, like, quirky. No, I think it means, like, have you ever heard the term, like, corked up, shorty? Like, really?

[Eddie]

No, Explain.

[Natasha]

It's like, so Internet. I don't even know if I can explain it. It's like, something I've heard so many times. I don't know if I can explain it, but I think it's like,

[Eddie]

you

[Chris]

got to just give a definition.

[Natasha]

Should I.

[Eddie]

So he's like, how rised up should a white boy be?

[Natasha]

Let's do the definition of corked up. Okay. Corked up describes someone or something as highly eccentric, unconventional, or charismatically strange, often with a charming, quirky or white boy flair. It implies often adhering an accumulation of unique, odd personality traits or rarely corked facial feature. Like a twisted smile. Social media memes corked up white boy with a little bit of swag.

[Chris]

You got to, like, cork up all the way, but it's got to be real. Like the white. Where white guys fuck up is we, like, try to fake the cork. Yeah, you got to be really corked up for real, or you got to set it out.

[Natasha]

It has to be coming from your soul.

[Chris]

Yes.

[Natasha]

Like, the cork needs to be absolutely.

[Eddie]

It has to be percolating. It needs to, like, be coming from inside and, like, needing to come out. Like, for instance, we get a lot of diners that come here, and we instantly, everyone in the dining room is like, NYU Stern. Yeah, Nyu Stern. It's like, dude has like a To me backpack or one of those backpacks with the mountain peak on it.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And a water bottle and like a gingham shirt tucked in. And they're like, can we take the patio tables outside? We're like, no, no. Like, no. You could. You could sit in the back.

[Natasha]

Yeah. You know, but you're going in the back.

[Eddie]

Yeah. It's just. You're just not quirked up enough for this. This is like a quirked up restaurant.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

But it had to get out. Like, this stuff was like taking up space in storage. It had to come out.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

You know, you can't be. You can't be weird to like, throw Sazon on yourself.

[Natasha]

Right.

[Eddie]

You can't be buying the cork off the shelf. I think it just needs you. It needs to be who you are.

[Natasha]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I do feel like even if you are like N. Stern, like REI backpack vibes, if you're corked up, it's going to read, you know, like, you're going to see it. You're going to be like, that's a corked up NYU Stern boy. Like, he's a bad boy. Yeah.

[Eddie]

And there's zero shade in this because the boys know and we love. We listen to them every week religiously. There. There are these funny guys that listen to throwing fits and they're regular dudes. Like, regular dudes. You can tell they got like a 9 to 5, but then they're like wearing a shoe that James recommended and like an earring and then they're like, got the cigarettes that Larry smokes and it's just like, you look crazy. You look crazy. You can't, like, buy their aesthetic off the shelf.

[Natasha]

Well, you might be able to at CHCM if you're. If your pockets are deep enough. Like, you might be able to.

[Eddie]

Yeah. But it's just not gonna read well.

[Natasha]

It won't read well. It won't read well at all.

[Eddie]

It's like press on nails. Do you know what I mean? It's just pressed on.

[Natasha]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She got press on nails.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Natasha]

Thoughts on LA being the burger capital of the United States in regards to apple pan and pie burger versus new.

[Eddie]

I would agree, I absolutely would agree that LA is the burger capital in terms of the range. But I will say still, I think the best hamburger I've ever had is still in Memphis. And I do think things like hamburgers, you just go to a good place in the south that, like, eater and some, like, corny magazines haven't gone to. It's going to be better. Like Ernestine and Hazel's in Memphis. They use pickle juice to pick up their burger off the griddle. Best burger. Best burger I ever had. So simple.

[Natasha]

Sounds incredible. I've never had it. I'm actually not a fan of apple pan. I'm not an apple pan girl. I had it, didn't love it. It was great. Not my favorite burger of all time, but I do think LA has better burgers.

[Eddie]

Yeah. And I think that they have a range.

[Natasha]

Yeah. And I think that they, like, invented the smash burger thing. I don't know, actually, but I feel like it happened there now. It's, like happening in New York, but it's not.

[Chris]

I don't know.

[Natasha]

I just don't want a burger in New York. When I was in la, I was like, feeding, like, I need a smash burger. I need french fries with it. Like, it needs to be this way.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Natasha]

New York, not so much.

[Eddie]

Burger has, like, drive through culture, hot rod culture.

[Natasha]

Yeah. In and out stuff.

[Eddie]

But I would say to me, if I was gonna be really, really precise, LA is like the silicone valley of burger culture for me, because it's like they're selling it and they're like, promoting it and they're telling everyone what to do. But, like, you go to certain corners of the world. I mean, there's really cool burger, like Franklin burger in Japan and Tokyo. Fantastic. I absolutely think there's better burgers. But, like, is there a city that's like, putting their whole back into being like, we have hamburgers? It's la.

[Natasha]

La. Absolutely. LA is definitely like, we want to do hamburgers.

[Eddie]

Yes. It's like they're. They're like, we do movies, like.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

You're the capital of movies. Are they the best ones? No.

[Natasha]

This is an interesting one. And, like, definitely out of our wheelhouse. Is it acceptable to go on a bachelor party for your second wedding?

[Eddie]

Look, I. I'm a guy's guy, so I have to either abstain from answering this question.

[Natasha]

No. Answer it honestly, or say yes.

[Eddie]

All right. If I was in a relationship and I was a woman and the man I was marrying wanted to go on a second bachelor party. Red flag. Absolute red flag. It's just like the bachelor party itself to me is corny. Right. I never did at my own bachelor party. I've been engaged three times. Never had a bachelor party.

[Chris]

You didn't get pressured into it or anything?

[Natasha]

Well, you never got married.

[Eddie]

No. Because my friends know. You pressure me. I just block your number but you

[Natasha]

also never got married.

[Eddie]

I'm the most. Pisces. I love you. I'll do anything for you. You start pressuring me in a direction I don't like, imma block you because you're throwing me off my life path.

[Natasha]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Natasha]

But I think it's different when you're getting married. I think if you have a planned wedding. But my answer would also be no,

[Eddie]

because I think my life is a bastard party.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Was. Was. Was, Was. Yes.

[Natasha]

Well, I mean, well, I get that. Here's my thing with wedding culture in general. I think when you're younger, I think when you're getting married and you're like early 20s, mid 20s, and even like later 20s, I think your friends have less responsibilities and they're more free to like, travel and do these things. But I think when you get a little bit older and a second wedding would. I think if you had a first wedding and that then you got a divorce and now you're having a second wedding, it's. I'm thinking you're like maybe in your mid-30s or early 40s or whatever. And I think people have kids and your life changes. So I think just like, get everybody to do that is harder. And I think the expectation is like. I just think it's strange. So I would say. I would say no, it's corny. But I do think that wedding culture has just gotten so out of hand. Like every wedding is $100,000 minimum. There's like a bachelorette party. You have to pay, like, some of these are like ten thousand dollar trips for like a weekend for your girlfriend with a bunch of her friends you've never met. Staying in a house together, like at 32, I'm not doing that.

[Eddie]

Wedding culture is goofy. It's just everybody's insecurities bubbling to the surface, needing to produce this thing. And it's like, I saw this there and I saw this here, and. Yeah. And it's like, all right, whatever.

[Natasha]

Yeah, I think it's a bit like over inflated.

[Eddie]

When I was in my late teens, the first bachelor party. And I think the first. I think I've only been on like three bachelor parties. Two were terrible. They were like my cousins, you know. And the only one I really went on that was a bachelor party. My bad.

[Natasha]

I don't, you know, talk about it so good.

[Eddie]

They've also been blocked. But when I was 19, I went on a bachelor party because my boy at Rollins knocked up a girl from Fort Lauderdale. Very cool girl. I think that her thing was like, her mom was in Playboy. Her dad was, like, a famous cosmetic dentist. It was like, they were cool. It's like a cool Fort Lauderdale family. My boy knocked her up and he was like, yo, I gotta marry her. And I think they're still together, which is fantastic. We went on Ambassador Party, and I remember we get picked up by the homie in Miami, and it's like an Alexis ES300 drop rims. Like, oh, this is gonna be good. This is gonna be good. Homie had, like, just a pocket full of Xanax. Had a case of Dom Perignon clipped up. We went straight to the strip club. Dude had a camcorder. The one thing that was very quirky, I would say, and didn't make sense was he invited the bride's brother.

[Natasha]

Oh, yeah, you can't do that.

[Eddie]

And I was like, whoa.

[Natasha]

Not when. Not when the vibe is strip club.

[Eddie]

Yeah. Not when the vibe is, like, chopped and screwed. Like, we were blackout boys, right? We go strip club. Homie gets thrown out because he, like, gets so hammered. He reaches for a dancer on the stage, gets thrown out. Is filmed on a VHS camcorder.

[Natasha]

All right, whatever, Epstein island of you guys.

[Eddie]

No, I didn't do anything.

[Natasha]

No, to, like, you. To, like, document the, like, you know, the debauchery. I'm just saying, like, that's, like, very. Like, I've seen. They're like, let's document it. Like, why?

[Eddie]

Oh, and this was like, 2001. So this is 2001. It was like, two months after 9, 11. Where do do tried to touch the stripper. Security was cool, got us out. Didn't, like, suplex him and break his face like I've seen before. And there was a girl I knew in Fort Lauderdale, like, at this place, like, the Riviera, and she's like, come through, we go. And she takes us in this 21 and up club. We're all like, 19, right? So older shorty gets us in. And I remember I got so hammered, this girl got me so hammered. And I was in this VIP balcony, but the VIP bathroom was just jammed the whole time. And I had to let it rip. And she's like, just go for it. I just peed off the balcony onto the dance floor. This was probably the most foul thing I've ever done. I was 19. Onto, like, a. A part of it. There was nobody.

[Natasha]

Okay.

[Eddie]

But then the security down there, Saul was like, bro, there's just a stream of piss coming out. Yo, what up? And he came and just grabbed me we get thrown out. We go to a 7 11. And then, you know, we steal the bomb burritos. We wanted these bomb burritos. Frozen bomb burritos. We steal the bomb burritos. We go back. We were staying at a Hampton Inn, all right? I remember at one point, a dude got so hype, he threw a chair from out of the hotel room onto the street. We were 19. This is 2001. This is Florida. All right?

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And. And. And then we didn't have a microwave in the Hampton Inn, so we have all these frozen bomb burritos. And they're like, what do you do? And this was the moment when Iron Chef was on tv. And I go, you Iron Chef? And he's like, what? I say, iron Chef. And I get the ironing board out, and I start ironing the burritos to life. And I go, you want to just eat a chimichanga? We ironed them. Then we were like, yo, illest, illest day ever. Greatest bastion party. We go to Bojangles for chicken the next day. And the groom shows up and is like, eddie, you and a guy, his name started with a T. You and you and T are kicked out of the wedding. Go, why? He goes, because my. My stepbrother showed the bride, my girl, the video. And I was like, I told you. And why does he have the videos?

[Natasha]

How did the Turnover. This is VHS2001. Like, how the did the turn. How did he get that on, like, into her VHS player?

[Eddie]

I think he just brought the camera and plugged it in with the audio video chords, like, back in the. Into the television.

[Natasha]

That's insane.

[Eddie]

I was like, what a snitch.

[Natasha]

And he should be kicked out. Loser.

[Eddie]

We got kicked out of the wedding, and then we just had to link with everybody after the wedding. And I never went on another bachelor party since. I've never done anything foul like that ever again. Yeah, and. And. And Chris, in the edit, if you think that's too foul about peeing off the balcony, I think that that's fine.

[Natasha]

I think it's fin. When you're young. Yeah, I've not. There's literally so many instances of people that, like, I've been involved to at 19.

[Eddie]

That should be the slogan of Florida. You do when you're young.

[Natasha]

You do when you're young. That's the slogan of, like, everywhere, though. It's like, you do when you're young. You do weird shit. So many people I know have, like, thrown a couch or a chair or a piece of furniture outside Of a hotel. Like, I was a dude through the couch dude. I went to like, I went somewhere when I was like about to graduate high school with like a bunch of my friends. We all went somewhere. Where did we go? Bahamas, I think. And we're like staying at like the place that you stay in the Bahamas.

[Eddie]

Atlantis. Yeah, it's one and like Greek places, whatever.

[Natasha]

We're like all there. It's like a group of like, I don't know, probably like 50 of us from like different schools, whatever. We all go. It's like fun. And one of the homies that I didn't know really well was like, we were all in like hotel rooms getting up because of course you can drink there. You get like the 18 plus bracelets, whatever. Somebody threw a couch out of the window of the hotel room. And then it was like this whole thing. The security of the hotel was like, if one of your parents can wire us like $20,000, like, we won't arrest 20,000. Something crazy. I don't know what it was because I was just like, that was like a vintage move.

[Eddie]

Like spring break Florida cats were throwing furniture out the window.

[Natasha]

This was like a nicer hotel. So they were like, use, like, somebody's gonna pay for this. So like one of the kids, their parents wired the money and the security guard was like, wired it to me, still telling the hotel. And then like they got. Were like about to get like arrested in the Bahamas. And it was like all this crazy. And then like, like five of my friends came back with drug problems that like, they were like suffering for years. Like it was.

[Eddie]

Yeah, we're not, you know.

[Natasha]

You know what happens to when you're

[Eddie]

young, kids come home and they're like, can I go on the senior spring break trip? And they have that sheet. We're not. Senna's not going. No, absolutely not going on this trip.

[Natasha]

I saw too much. I saw too much on mine. I was like, I'm good, actually. Like, I left that trip and I was like, I'm so good on so many things.

[Eddie]

No one needs to go on that trip. That trip is not. You're not ready. I don't know.

[Natasha]

With like beads in my hair. Like, it was crazy. Like, it was so crazy. I like fell off a bar and like broke a rib. Like just c. Like it was like, not well. Like nobody there was.

[Eddie]

Okay, no, it was those trips. No, our kids are not going on those. I mean, those hotels now too. I've been to some of the ratchet ones, cuz some of my Friends still stay in ratchet hotels sometimes, and they chain the furniture to the room.

[Natasha]

Now, I'm telling you, that's like, a thing people. I don't know what it is. You get like a corked up white boy in a hotel room, and that's. That's my advice. How corked up can a white boy get too corked up to where he's throwing?

[Eddie]

White boy just throw the sof hotel room.

[Natasha]

And it's just like, bro, like, how.

[Eddie]

That's my kind of white guy.

[Natasha]

I don't understand. Like, what you. You just, like, see a chair and you're like, must throw it out the window. Like, have to do it.

[Eddie]

Yeah. It's like corked up white dudes now. It's like they're looking at fits. Corked up white boys back in the day were just throwing furniture. Like, that's what's up, man. That sofa had to go.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

That sofa had to get out of here to go.

[Natasha]

That had to fly.

[Eddie]

Yeah. Everything now is so much about aesthetics. Back then it was just like, you throwing the furniture or what?

[Natasha]

Oh, yeah. Can you imagine if like, now the. The young kids that are so, like, addicted to aesthetics, like, if they had to experience one night of, like, our life, like, we would have, like, parties that were, like, neon themed. It'd be like, if you're single, wear green. And if you're like, if you. And if you want to cheat on your man, wear yellow. And if you're. If you're not trying to cheat, wear red. Like, that was the theme of the party. And it was like, what? Like, the cheaters are wear. Like, we're just actively promoting our friends to cheat. They're like, yeah, you wear yellow.

[Eddie]

But I'm kind of down for these dumb parties to come back. I started cut to is like, throwing some, like, singles party. The cut is I'm like, speed dating. Bring this goofy CEO and office hoes.

[Natasha]

Like, please. You know, like, they rebranded that as, like, office siren. But I was like, you are not there at CEOs and office hours.

[Eddie]

Yo, I want to go to. I would go with you to one of these, like, business people mixers. It would be, oh, I would love to.

[Natasha]

I used to go to them a lot back in the day. Yeah, I used to go to, like, JP Morgan's holiday party when it had, like, when they were really throwing them like crazy. There would be, like, wild performers and you would just be like, sitting there and all of a sudden, like, Adele would come out and sing, and you were like, what this Is crazy because they had so much money. And like, you remember, like, the we work era. Like, all those, like, truly, like, I would go because I would have friends that would invite me or, like, to work them. And, dude, they were crazy.

[Eddie]

Damn. I never got to go to that.

[Natasha]

I remember this one was at the Russian Tea Room, and there was a vending machine with murakami stuffed animals. And the vending machine was free. It was like a claw machine, and you would just get a murakami plushie. And at the end of the night, I took a garbage bag full of the murakami plushies home, and I just resold them, and I made, like, $3,000. Like, that's the. We were on back in the day. Like, everybody was so flush with cash. They were just like, yeah, it. Like, $10,000. Who cares? Burn the money. Who gives a. Give it to this. Like, give her the stuffed animals.

[Eddie]

Get.

[Natasha]

We don't want them. Like, it was shit like that.

[Eddie]

Yeah. I was at the vice parties, you know, I feel like they had a

[Natasha]

little bit of coin. I feel like they probably threw a good party.

[Eddie]

We did. There was no. There was no stuff like that. That stuff is cool to see. I mean, they were great parties.

[Natasha]

I feel like now they all suck because everybody, like, can't. You can't, like, look, the men can't look at the women. They have to be like, I can't acknowledge that there is a different sex here, because then I will get fired.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Natasha]

It's just like a Catholic wedding.

[Eddie]

I just can't wait for these young kids. Is like, just like, break all the

[Natasha]

rules and be like, I. I'm so excited.

[Eddie]

Wild boys back.

[Natasha]

I'm so excited. I mean, like, break the rules to an extent, you know? To an extent.

[Eddie]

Like a fun extent.

[Natasha]

Not like a cause no harm, but break the rules. Like, don't hurt anybody with empty part

[Eddie]

of the piss in the empty part

[Natasha]

of the dance floor.

[Eddie]

Yeah. Throw the furniture out onto an empty street. Like, it's good times.

[Natasha]

Okay.

[Eddie]

I love that we have, like, parents on this pod. That's the best part of this pod is like, a mix of parenting and throwing furniture out the window.

[Natasha]

Yeah. But I do feel like, before I answer the next question, part of being a really great parent and part of being able to, like, lock in as a parent is, like, full sending it before you have kids. Yes, like, full sending it.

[Eddie]

That's why the bachelor party for the second wedding to me is a red flag, because it's like, by the time I met you, I had Been like, I don't want to be in a club no more. I don't want to do none of this. I'm good. I'm trying to foot cuddle. I'm trying to take garbage out at night and not get yelled at. I'm trying to wake up and make coffee for you. Like, that's what I'm trying to do.

[Natasha]

Yeah, no, but I mean, like, if you're listening to this podcast, you happen to be 19. This is what I told my friend the other day who doesn't have kids, and we were hanging out, and he's like, not 19, but he was like, oh, should I go to this, like, rave tomorrow morning? Like, Sunday morning, and, like, do Molly? And I was like, you should literally go to that rave and do more Molly than you've ever done in your life. And you should go on a bender for the week next. Next six days, because you don't have kids yet. And not that I want to ever go back and live that life, but I just look back on the things that I did and what I would tell myself is go harder. Make more mistakes. Like, do more up. Stay out later. Those times you're like, I'm tired. I need to stay and I need to. No, go the out. If you think you're tired, don't go out. Live it up. Live it up so hard to where, like, you just get it all out of your system. Because I have no desire.

[Eddie]

Yeah. I'm for.

[Natasha]

You couldn't get me. You wouldn't get me to do any of this shit now. I don't want to.

[Eddie]

I hit ultimate, like, beyond unk status. I hit, like, Chinese kung fu master chef status. I have a stool in the kitchen now that I sit on. I'll show you later. We'll put it in a pot.

[Natasha]

Okay.

[Eddie]

I'm so tired now. I just sit there and with a walk paddle. I just pointed stuff because I've worked doubles since February 24th.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And I'm so tired. Yeah. I'm like, 75 years old now.

[Natasha]

You guys, like, travel the world and, like, do all these things. Like, you full sent it. You did it. You did it.

[Eddie]

I sent Every episode of Wong's World was basically bachelor party.

[Natasha]

Yeah, you did. Would you rather never wash rice again or never listen to Wu Tang again?

[Eddie]

Oh, what? I don't even like washing rice. Wait, Never. He's.

[Natasha]

Would you rather. I don't. I mean, I don't know.

[Eddie]

This is not my have to wash rice.

[Natasha]

It doesn't say never have to says verbatim. Would you rather never wash rice again or never listen to Wuang again? But I think the sentiment is like, never have to wash rice.

[Eddie]

I. I would. I would rather listen to Wuang and wash rice. Cuz washing rice is actually like meditative and nice. It's like a nice thing to do. It's like sharpening your knife. I enjoy sharpening knife. Like how Senna likes to rake sand, you know?

[Natasha]

Yeah, he loves to rake sand. He's big into raking sand.

[Eddie]

I like repetitive physical movement.

[Natasha]

This is a cute one. When did you know it was meant to be?

[Eddie]

With you?

[Natasha]

No, with your other fiance. What the. I don't know. Why don't we go through all things? Why don't we go through all three? Let's start at number one. I don't know her name. I do know the second one's name because it's not working.

[Eddie]

I'm just. Body. Of course you.

[Natasha]

Which one?

[Eddie]

Of course you.

[Natasha]

We go through all three. I'd like to. I'd like to compare the differences as to, like, when you knew the first one was the one, when you knew the second one was the one. And then how did it differ when you thought that I was the one? I would like. Can we compare notes? Can we do like a. What do you call it when you make the thing in school? No, like, you do like the Ven diagram. Not a Venn diagram, but like a. I don't know, like a chart.

[Eddie]

I. I really. It was the moment you got into the car with the brolic sweater on.

[Natasha]

Shout out, Nate.

[Eddie]

Shout out, Nate. I picked you up on Tamarind. You got in the car and uses everything with you. There is a smile, like a devious laugh behind it. Even when you have a straight face, it's like, oh, you want a battle? Like there's a joke. There's something going on. You never just show up, like, plain Jane boring you. There's always, like, a thing. There's always a flirtation. And sometimes it's like, real nasty and bad, but for the most part, I would say 99.9% of the time, it's really cute. Cute.

[Natasha]

Okay.

[Eddie]

You never. I like that you never just are like, hi, I'm welcome to Applebee's. You know, I mean, you know, it's chilly. How's it going? And I'm like, yo, she's about to put a finger in my ass. You know, I mean, you have that energy and like, that's why that's the metaphor in the book. Like, your energy is like, Yo, I'm gonna wait till this dude. All the walls are down and it's just like long Russian manicure in this man's ass. And like, I never would allow anything up my ass. But like, you just have that energy and it's hot and it's fun.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Like you are here to push the funny button.

[Natasha]

Yeah, I would say that that's true.

[Eddie]

Yeah, that's. That's how I feel. What about you? Let me ask you, how does it

[Natasha]

compare to the other fiance?

[Eddie]

Get out of here. Get out of here. Yeah. We've been together five years. That is so long. You know? Like, that is great. It's. It's been an amazing five years for you. That's long

[Natasha]

to have just one boyfriend at one time.

[Eddie]

Yes.

[Natasha]

I've had like multiples for loss at the same time.

[Eddie]

Like, there's been dudes in the stable for many years, but like, they were around other horses, like shitting in the same stall.

[Natasha]

Yes. Yeah. You know, so for singularly, like a one, a one on one, like, monogamous relationship. Yes.

[Eddie]

For us to be with someone like over three months, like, that's gonna be serious. Over two years, it's like we're together forever.

[Natasha]

I was a relationship B girl.

[Eddie]

I was, I was. I was up to three months. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. Once it gets to three months, if I'm just like, not that serious, I gotta let you know because we're wasting time.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And then once it got to two, usually everything broke by around the 18 month mark.

[Natasha]

Yeah. You know, okay, that makes sense for us.

[Eddie]

Five years is good.

[Natasha]

Five years is strong.

[Eddie]

This is. Five years is forever.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

You know, five years means we're forever.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

But let's. You should answer the question. What about you?

[Natasha]

I don't have two previous fiances to like, compare.

[Eddie]

Yeah, no, you need to.

[Natasha]

It's diff. It's really, really difficult to me. Like, it might be easier for you to pinpoint the moment because she won't admit it.

[Eddie]

She won't admit it.

[Natasha]

I don't. I won't admit what.

[Eddie]

Yo, you. When's the moment you won't even tell me?

[Natasha]

I don't think that there's necessarily, like, when I look back on it, I don't think that there's one moment. I just think it's a feeling.

[Eddie]

Oh, when? Well, when was the feeling?

[Natasha]

Maybe when you came to Boston and you were staying at Encore, there was like a knowing of things were serious and not just like. I wasn't just like bucking around like I didn't not care about you, and I don't think I was like, oh, we're gonna get married. But I was like, this is different and really, like, special. So for me, I would say that that was the moment I could differentiate. Differentiate this relationship to others and put you in a different bucket and not just be like, oh, this is. This is whatever. This isn't. I don't care about this at all.

[Eddie]

Maybe it was when you had Guy Fieri tequila all over your foot and we made the playlist. Maybe that's what I'm saying.

[Natasha]

It was. It was when you were at the Encore. Yeah, that all happened at Encore.

[Eddie]

That was cute.

[Natasha]

I think it was like that trip where I was, like, really starting to feel more seriously about you.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Natasha]

Yeah. It was definitely early, for sure.

[Eddie]

Yeah. Because you. You're thinking, what was it like? Because I let this guy come to Boston and see me. It's serious.

[Natasha]

No, not at all.

[Eddie]

Oh, what is it then?

[Natasha]

I think it was like I said, there's no, like, one moment. It wasn't like a thing that you said where you were like, oh, and then I knew you were the one. There was nothing that you did or said. It was such a feeling of us being together. Like, we were just, like, having so much fun and it was a good time. Yeah.

[Eddie]

You also should have known I. I was gonna gamble a lot because that was a casino.

[Natasha]

Yeah, but I thought you were there. You told me it was a work trip.

[Eddie]

I did. I did. I told you.

[Natasha]

I was like, oh, this is like, work. Like, I don't think you. If you're in a place for work, I never assume the person, like, chose their hotel, the restaurant, putting them up there.

[Eddie]

I had fake work with.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Own the restaurants. In the casino with Guy Fier, I

[Natasha]

was not like, oh, you're a gambling addict. Like, I truly thought, like, I was like, oh, you're here for work.

[Eddie]

Shout out to school. Shout out.

[Natasha]

Cuz other than that, I don't know why the you would stay in Everett, Massachusetts.

[Eddie]

It was a lot of fun. That was a great trip.

[Natasha]

No, it was so good.

[Eddie]

That was a great trip.

[Natasha]

It was a lot of fun, but, yeah, it was. And then, like, we had a couple nights in the North End that were, like, very romantic and cute and, like, sat at a little coffee shop. And it was definitely like, that trip where I was like, yeah, I think that, like, this is. This is real.

[Eddie]

Okay.

[Natasha]

This is like some real.

[Eddie]

It's real. It's real. Remember that. Try to remember that.

[Natasha]

I'll remember that when you're gambling. I'll remember that when you're. When you're coaching your guys.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

All right, what other questions we got?

[Natasha]

We have some good ones. Wow.

[Eddie]

That's the most revealing Natasha's ever been.

[Natasha]

I don't think so. I've told you that before. So many times. We've talked about that.

[Eddie]

I ask you all the time, and you never answer.

[Natasha]

This person cannot be a fan of you. What's your favorite Tupac song? Do you have one?

[Eddie]

Probably, like, Ambitions as a Rider or Picture Me Rolling?

[Natasha]

I think mine's Dear Mama. I used to, like, cry listening to that song when I was a kid and, like, think about my mom.

[Eddie]

Yeah. I was trying to fight feelings, so I, I, I. You know, me and my mom.

[Natasha]

So I used to literally.

[Eddie]

That wouldn't be my.

[Natasha]

I, like, remember, like, lime Wiring, that song. Like, sitting in my dad's office and, like, crying. Like, it, like, moved me spiritually. I was like, oh, my God.

[Eddie]

Yeah. When I like Tupac. I mean, I was in middle school and Tupac came out and. And I just liked all his, like, very, like, the world energy. I love that song. The world.

[Natasha]

Yeah. That's a good one.

[Eddie]

You know, I loved All Eyes on Me, the double disc, but I would say, like, ambitions as a rider and. And Picture Me Rolling. Those. Those were the ones. And then the world.

[Natasha]

Okay, this is a nice segue. How are things after Eddie went no contact with his parents? I've been no contact with my NPD mom for two years.

[Eddie]

What's npd?

[Natasha]

I think Narcissistic personality disorder.

[Eddie]

Oh. I thought that, like, npc, like, her mom was a dj.

[Natasha]

I'm not saying she's not. She may be a dj, but I think she's he. He.

[Eddie]

Heat makers. Heat makers.

[Natasha]

She's insinuating that. I think this person's situating that their mom is a narcissist.

[Eddie]

Yeah. All right. Shout out. You, you know, hope. Hope she. Hope you're doing well.

[Natasha]

Yeah, that sucks. I'm sorry.

[Eddie]

Yeah, I mean, I would say it's been really great. Honestly, I'm really glad I went non contact. I think it helped my parents and myself appreciate family in our relationships. But also, I think when you have a really overbearing, like, immigrant, Taiwanese, Chinese mom, like, I hate to use stereotypes, but a lot of the stereotypes really fit my mother. Like, the experience has imprinted in a way that, like, other people can relate to. So I will use that. That generalization as a description. I think when you have an Overbearing mother like that, with a lot of generational trauma. And perhaps for my specific case, my mom grew up in a violent home where she just got hit all the time. It's. You have the utmost sympathy for her. You have guilt yourself because of what your mother is going through. But you do owe it to not only yourself and your mother and like your ancestors and like, you know, life to become yourself. Like, I think my identity and character and being in existence for so long was just like, I gotta make my mom proud. I gotta make it worthwhile that my mom went through this and I couldn't hear myself, I couldn't stand up for myself. And I let a lot of people take advantage of me that weren't even my mother because I had these patterns of. Just like, my mom would call me out of the blue once every six weeks, just tell me I sucked, tell me like, I wasn't good at what I was doing. I needed to do better, I needed to make more money, I needed to give her more money. And I was just like, I couldn't say no. And it really fucked me up like. Like when we opened the flower shop on Thanksgiving Day, the one year anniversary of, like me going non contact with my parents, my mom wrote me a big email, was like, you're not good at restaurants, you're not a good chef. You shouldn't do this. This is the wrong path. It crushed me and like, I don't even talk to you about this stuff much. It's just like, really? And I'm a big boy. I'm 44 years old. This shouldn't bother me, but it really does when it's coming from this woman I saw get beat for many, many years and did everything she could for me and my brothers. So it's just a tough thing. But the year away from my mom has been really helpful. I love my mom. I think I've been able to love her again. I don't talk to her. She has figured out a workaround to DM the Bauhaus Instagram account. Now that that's back up. I don't look at it. I don't talk to her. I'm glad she can see photos of Senna. I'm glad she can see photos of us. I'm not really ready to talk to her yet, but I don't blame her for anything. Yeah, I'm more just like, I love you so much and I really appreciate what you've done, but as your son, I'm just gonna make a decision for both of Us. And I know you understand. And, like, I know you deep down, if you never admit it to anyone, you want the best for me. And right now, the best for me is not having you in the back of my head telling me I suck.

[Natasha]

That's fair. That's very fair. And hard.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Natasha]

The.

[Eddie]

The mom shit is the mom. She's just the hardest thing.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

For me in my life. Do you know what I mean? It pops up everywhere. And, like, I think it's popped up a lot less.

[Natasha]

Yeah, I think so. I think for the past year, you've been able to just, like you said, listen to your own inner voice and do what you want to do without something else telling you that it's not right or that you should be doing something else. How do you.

[Chris]

How do you separate who or how do you learn who you are versus who you were trying to be for your mom and everything? I think it's difficult sometimes.

[Eddie]

Okay. I'm gonna use the example of garbage, even if it incites something, but it's really small. And my thing is the issue that I had coming from my relationship with mom was because my mom was in such a bad situation, anything she asked me to do, I would just say yes. I felt like I could never say no to my mother. And then that bled into all of my friendships, all of my relationships, business. If people ask something of me, even though I just truly in my gut didn't want to do it, I would do it. I would try so hard to make everyone happy and do it, even though I knew it wasn't what I wanted to do. And, like, the garbage thing was so small. I watched one quarter of Thunder Celtics. Natasha was tired, put Senna to bed, did everything. I had just come home, and I walked out of the living room just as Natasha was cleaning, and I saw that the trash can lid was up and it was full of trash. And I just was like, oh, I'm gonna get that. I'm gonna go charge my computer. I have my computer in my hand. And as I saw that I was walking, Natasha just was like, hey, do you mind taking out the trash? And it just triggered me. I got annoyed and upset because, like, I was already doing this. I was already doing it, and I was like, I'm already doing it. And you didn't like my tone when I said I'm already doing it. Because it wasn't the best tone. I was just like, I'm already doing it. I'm just charging my computer. But I think it was that came up at like, 11 o' clock one night after working, I've worked probably 25 doubles in a row. That doesn't happen much anymore. Yeah, it really doesn't. I. I don't have this, like, trigger of, like, somebody told me to do something, I have to do it, and, like, I resent it. It. It's really when I'm completely depleted and tired that that thing rears its head. But that thing is from me and my mom, where she was just always asking things of me that I was already gonna do for her or I was, or I didn't want to do. And I just react. I would react badly to it. And, you know, rarely does it come up anymore. But you know what? I will apologize because I do realize now that, like, my tone was not good because I was triggered. And I get it. I think I just wanted a little forgiveness and empathy from you on something so small, being like, yo, like, allow me to be frustrated. Allow me to be tired because I'm just. I'm really tired.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And that's all. And, like, people listening are like, These people are fighting over garbage. They, like, love each other. But, yeah. Like, if. If you are listening and you're in a relationship, just know sometimes people are just empty.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Nothing left.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

So you don't have all the defenses and you don't have the willpower to be, like, that really good version of yourself that you've, like, worked to be.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

I hope that answers it for sure. I think that's a good one to end the pot on.

[Natasha]

Yeah. That was good.

[Eddie]

That one, like, emptied me emotionally. I didn't expect that question. But for the person, like, I hope you're doing well.

[Natasha]

Yeah. And my advice would always be, while I think it's good to go, no contact and, like, set new boundaries. I would just always advise people, like, whether you have a relationship or not in the future. Like, say what you need to say to your parents while they're here. Like, don't let time pass in your. No contact to where you lose any chance to, like, repair. Or just say what you need to say. Not that, like, it will get you what you want or the relationship will change, but don't let opportunities to either say your piece, repair whatever the case is. Like, don't. Don't let that slip through your fingers if you have the opportunity.

[Eddie]

Yeah. You know, you've inspired. I'm gonna write my dad an email to give to my mom. I'm not ready to talk to her, but I do just. I think she needs to know Like, I love you.

[Natasha]

You. Yeah.

[Eddie]

This non contact thing isn't like, it's not trying to hurt you.

[Natasha]

Yeah. Sometimes there's a minute. There's a myriad of reasons of why people go non. No contact. And whatever your reason is, like, there is core love for your parents. Like, you just like you're. It's biological. It's evolutionary. Like, you with your parents, on some level, there's some. You wouldn't go no contact if you didn't love them. You know? So I think my advice would always be, as somebody who went no contact and then like, lost the parent, my advice would always be just repair or just have a conversation. If you don't repair, just be like, here's what I need to say. Here's what I would like to say. Here's what I would like you to know. You can respond. You don't have to respond. But like, don't. Don't live with regret if you don't have to.

[Eddie]

Yeah. And like, my brother Evan showed up at the restaurant last week.

[Natasha]

Yeah. Which is really cool.

[Eddie]

It was awesome. Yeah. And like, I still. I still would never trust Evan the way I trusted him because he, like, tried to do weird stuff publicly. You know what I mean? And like. But I also don't ever want to talk to him about it. My thing is, I love Evan.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And, like, what's happened has happened. And I know how I feel and I know what happened and I know what I saw and I don't really need to discuss it. Like, there doesn't need to be a date made.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

About what happened. Like, people. I think a big part of maturity is realizing people have the right to feel differently about something that happened.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And I actually feel closer to my truth when I don't talk to the person that I think is foul. Because I don't need to negotiate things and I don't need to, like, get into it because, like, there's some people that, you know, are honest and mature enough to, like, own up to stuff. And there's some people you love that you're like, they aren't. But it's cool. Yeah, they're cool. I would like to watch Commander's Games with you. I would like to host you at the restaurant. I'd like to be best buds. I'd like to be bros. Yeah. I don't really need to talk to you about your views on morality and justice and ethics. Like, we're just never been the same person.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

So.

[Natasha]

But I think that's huge to realize

[Eddie]

that I With him.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

And I think it was cool he showed up.

[Natasha]

Very cool.

[Eddie]

Cool. That's different than me. I wouldn't. I never would have hit him up.

[Natasha]

Yeah, no, it's very cool.

[Eddie]

So it's like, I may, in my mind, think I'm better at certain things or on a higher moral ground, but you know what? Shout out to him. Because he pulled up.

[Natasha]

Shout out to him.

[Eddie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Natasha]

Families are complicated. But I think the thing at the end of the day is just, like, life short. And while things are that serious, are they, like, life is short. And I think if you can just choose, everyone's situation is different. But if you can choose to be happy and you can choose to reframe things in your own reality and in your own perspective, you're a happier person for it. And as long as someone's not, like, actively harming you, like, there's things that you were actively harming you, so you had to take a step away. But as long as, like, those things can stop, I don't think that there's any reason why people need to be so separated and so isolated. I think we're moving into a culture where that's the norm. And people are like, like, well, this person, I'll just cut them off. And I'm the number one perpetrator of this. So this coming from me, like, I. I straight up will just like. Like, if somebody says something I don't like, cool. You're dead to me. I'll see you on the street. I don't know you, like, but I do think that that's wrong, and I do think that I'm wrong for that. And I think if you can just, like, live a life where you can be happy and let little things go for the sake of, like, the enjoyment of a brother or the enjoyment of this person in your life, like, do that.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Natasha]

That would be my advice.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Natasha]

As.

[Eddie]

As a. As an unknown. Like, I will say if I could tell my younger self something about relationships, accept the level of seriousness that a relationship can support.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

Because some friendships and some relationships, they just cannot support a level of seriousness where that person is talking to you every day, checking in, asking you about your romances, your family, your money, doing business. Some relationships cannot support that level of seriousness. And a lot of people push for a deeper connection and a higher level of seriousness between you two. And you just gotta be honest. If that relationship can't support it.

[Natasha]

Yes. And I think every relationship serves a different purpose. Like, your relationship with Evan is fun, and you guys have Fun together. And, like, when you take all the other shit and expectations out of it, at its core, you can have fun. You don't necessarily need to be, like, it doesn't need to be that relationship. Not every relationship needs to be the same. Some people are fun. Some people you talk politics with, some people you talk business with, some people you talk like shit with. You know, you party with some people. Like, not everybody needs to be everything to you. And that's the same with romantic relationships. And our relationship was suffering the most when we were in LA and, like, isolated and putting everything. Like, I needed everything from you. You needed everything for me. And it just, like. Like, was never. We were never going to do that. Like, I can't be your homie and, like, watch sports with you and be your wife. You know what I mean? Like, you need homies to watch sports with. I need girls to go, like, shop and drink with.

[Eddie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Natasha]

You need different people for different things.

[Eddie]

Yeah.

[Natasha]

And in your family, too. Like, it's. It's across the board. It applies to all relationships.

[Eddie]

Yeah. Like, Evan would be my best friend if he refrained from talking to me about business and my parents. Yeah, that's it. That's it. And, like, I feel like we're good.

[Natasha]

Yeah.

[Eddie]

We know the spaces, we do well together. We know the spaces, we don't. And it's just cool. It's not a reflection of, like, this isn't my person.

[Natasha]

Yeah, no, this is my person.

[Eddie]

Because you don't want to watch game seven. Yeah.

[Natasha]

That's just not. I think it's cooler for you to watch game seven with the homies.

[Eddie]

Yeah, Just get hammered with Mills on first dives. Exactly.

[Natasha]

You guys have to game to coach.

[Eddie]

I got a coach.

[Natasha]

Not a coach.

[Eddie]

You're not a coach. I love you.

[Natasha]

Love you.

[Eddie]

I love this episode.