Podcast Summary

Podcast: Candace

Host: Candace Owens

Episode: Becoming Brigitte: MK Ultra And The French Gold Rush

Date: September 8, 2025

Episode Overview

This solo episode features Candace Owens diving deep into her ongoing investigation into Brigitte Macron—the wife of French President Emmanuel Macron—connecting alleged French government secrets, mysterious identities, MK Ultra experiments, and a supposed French “gold rush.” With a mixture of skepticism, speculation, and determined inquiry, Owens details her theory that Brigitte Macron is actually Jean Michel Trogneux, her supposed brother, and that this persona is entangled in military and intelligence operations from France to the United States, including links to MK Ultra and the 1971 Stanford Prison Experiment. She paints a picture of global conspiracies, hidden identities, and the powerful interests protecting them.

1. French Political Collapse and Distraction Theory

Timestamps: [00:00–02:00]

• Key Points:
  • The French government has reportedly collapsed (“French government collapses again. Deepening paralysis.”).
  • Candace posits this could be a distraction from her “Becoming Brigitte” investigation.
  • Candace: “They don't want you watching Becoming Brigitte Season 2. … I hope by now you guys realize that these decisions, like who is going to be president and when those decisions are actually made in the boardroom.”
• Tone: Skeptical, urgent.

2. The Brigitte Macron Walk – Physical Mannerisms and Military Links

Timestamps: [01:15–04:00]

• Key Points:
  • Candace scrutinizes Brigitte Macron’s gait and sitting style, claiming they’re more typical of men and might suggest military training.
  • She references videos of Brigitte walking and sitting: “Brigitte Macron does not walk right… That gait in particular is quite military because it's difficult if you have been in the military for a long time, to sort of shake that training.”
• Quote:
  • “There's something about the manner that Brigitte is sitting that you look at that as a woman and you go, that's just not the way that women sit.” (01:15)

3. Jean Michel Trogneux – A Hidden Identity?

Timestamps: [02:30–08:45]

• Key Points:

  • Jean Michel Trogneux (Brigitte’s supposed brother) had a mysterious and unexplained military background.
  • Investigation into school and military records reveals long absences, unfinished diplomas, and unexplained years from 1963–1967.
  • Xavier Poussard, in his book “Becoming Brigitte,” claims Jean Michel became Brigitte and assumed her civil identity.
  • Notably, Poussard was never sued for defamation regarding these assertions.

• Notable Quote:

  • Xavier Poussard: “Therefore, we can conclude that Jean Michel Trogneau has been living under the civil birth identity of his sister Brigitte Trogneau, since at least 1986. Logically, then, Sebastian Laurence and Tiffan Ozier, Brigitte's children, are administratively his nephews.”

4. America, MK Ultra, and Clues Hidden Abroad

Timestamps: [08:45–13:00]

• Key Points:

  • Owens hypothesizes that Jean Michel/Brigitte spent 1968–1973 in the US, possibly involved with MK Ultra projects.
  • MK Ultra “Sub Project 119” at UCLA and Stanford focused on experimenting with magnets to affect brain function.
  • She connects a 1961 Trogneu family trip from France to Oakland, CA carrying an 8,000 lb. magnet (likely military-grade).

• Quote:

  • “MK Ultra was in full swing across California… they were interested specifically… in using magnets, I kid you not, to hack our brains.” (11:32)

5. Stanford Prison Experiment: Players, Military Ties, and the Sarge

Timestamps: [13:00–28:00]

• Background:

  • Candace goes over the structure and purported purpose of the 1971 Stanford Prison Experiment, playing Philip Zimbardo’s own description for context ([14:38–16:15]).

• Participant Deep-Dive:

  • Many “prisoners” and “guards” had military or deep engineering backgrounds, contradicting the public claim that they were just average middle-class students.
  • Prisoner 2093 (“the Sarge”) is highlighted for his military bearing, strange accent, lack of background information, and a cryptic paper trail.

• Speculations:

  • Prisoner 2093 may actually be Jean Michel Trogneux, embedded as a mole.
  • Zimbardo’s and subsequent French accounts muddy the identity of the true mole (Is it “David Gorchoff”? Candace challenges this based on academic records.)
  • Handwriting, military service, missing addresses, untraceable “witnesses,” and missing prison uniforms suggest deliberate obstruction.

• Notable Quote:

  • On language and accent:
    • “When I hear it, that knows how to speak English but is struggling with their R’s... you might struggle a bit with the Rs, maybe holding them on a little bit too long.” (23:25)

6. Talking to “Witnesses”: Red Herrings and Missing Memories

Timestamps: [28:00–34:00]

• Key Points:

  • Jonathan Mark, an experiment guard, claimed in a 2015 Reddit AMA that the mole was a grad student, but could not later confirm who this was—even after Candace provided photos.
  • The timing of the Reddit AMA curiously coincided with Macron’s rise to public fame in France (March 2015).
  • Prisoner 2093’s paperwork stands out: no credible address, no parental visitor, the only uniform missing, and a media release only witnessed by Zimbardo.

• Quote:

  • “I have no recollection of him and wasn't even aware of his existence.” — Jonathan Mark about “Tom Williams” (Prisoner 2093)

7. Transcripts, Military Codes, and Hidden Bases

Timestamps: [34:00–43:00]

• Key Points:

  • Prisoner “roles” and Sarge’s hyper-formal dialogue analyzed for foreignness and psychological oddity.
  • The prisoner numbers aren’t random, Owens argues—they’re military base codes from 1971, usually naval, with each prisoner linked to US Navy or engineering units.
  • Crucially, Prisoner 2093’s (the Sarge/Tom Williams) code corresponds to Clipperton Island—a remote French-controlled military installation.

• Notable Quotes:

  • On discovering the code significance:
    • “Everything about this experiment is military. These numbers must be military. … Prisoner 2093 … corresponds to the only unit that is not American owned and just so happens to be French owned. Clipperton Island.” (40:15)

8. Rothschilds, French Gold, and the Currency Pivot

Timestamps: [43:00–48:00]

• Key Points:

  • Candace asserts that two individuals in the experiment (Chuck Burton, and possibly Trogneux) are connected to the Rothschild banking family, hinting at a plot related to global finance.
  • In 1971, France (under de Gaulle, then Pompidou) demanded its gold back from America, coinciding with Nixon taking the US off the international gold standard.
  • The military moved the French gold; the exact details remain secret. Owens implies the presence of “agents” (including Trogneux and Rothschilds) was to supervise this gold transfer.

• Quote:

  • “In 1971, the very year of the Stanford Experiment, guess what France did. France repatriated all of their gold from America.” (46:35)

9. Crowdsourcing & Decentralized Investigative Agency

Timestamps: [48:00–52:00]

• Key Points:

  • Owens emphasizes the value of tips from her audience.
  • She encourages listeners, especially with military or archival research experience, to send information on Clipperton Island, Tom Williams/Prisoner 2093, Jean Michel Trogneux, or related naval shipments.
  • She coins her community the “Decentralized Candace Intelligence Agency,” playing off the CIA.

• Quote:

  • “We are essentially right now the decentralized intelligence agency. … We've been able to put together a lot of this because of you guys.” (50:38)

10. Audience Engagement & Cultural Paranoia

Timestamps: [52:00–end]

• Key Points:

  • Listener Q&A touches on Freemasonry, CIA, and military influence in contemporary culture.
  • Candace addresses theories about Hollywood, child protection, and the normalization of deviancy in pop culture (“White Lotus” incest subplot, K-pop, Bernard Arnault).
  • Reaffirms her theory: Brigitte Macron is not who she appears; the French First Lady is a crucial piece in a global, likely theological, power game.
  • Repeated calls to action: “If you guys know anything about what goes on on Clipperton island, you must email tips@candaceowens.com…”

• Quote:

  • “We just go, I don't know, France. But perhaps the government collapsing is what needed to happen.” (end)

11. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “When you panic, you tend to make mistakes.” (About the Macrons, 07:45)
• “Dogs do not bark unless they perceive a threat.” (11:05)
• “If you are the Rothschilds, you're concerned with banking, you would want to make sure that family members and people that were very close to you were involved in this.” (47:55)
• “It is not a woman by any stretch of the imagination. And this person is quite evil, quite sinister.” (Regarding Brigitte/Jean Michel, 01:14:27)
• “We are the decentralized intelligence agency… There's no way to stop us. We're all being awakened to how evil, how sick and how sinister it all is.” (01:15:42)

12. Key Themes & Takeaways

• Distrust of Mainstream Narratives: Candace interprets both political events (French government collapse) and historical research (Stanford Prison Experiment) as manipulated or whitewashed by powerful elites.

• Conspiratorial Network: Brigitte Macron’s possible non-female, military, and intelligence-connected identity is woven into a pattern with Rothschilds, currency reform, and CIA mind control (MK Ultra).

• Military-Industrial/Academic Complex: The intersection of military codes, naval movements, and academic experiments suggests a deeper “story behind the story” in both historical and present-day events.

• Audience Empowerment: Listeners are repeatedly invited to participate as researchers and informants (tips@candaceowens.com).

13. Section Timestamps for Easy Reference

• [00:00–02:00] — French Government Collapse, Distraction Theory
• [02:00–08:45] — Brigitte’s Gait, Military Bearing, Jean Michel’s Disappearance
• [08:45–13:00] — MK Ultra, Magnets, US Connections
• [13:00–28:00] — Stanford Prison Experiment, Military Participants
• [28:00–34:00] — The Sarge, Missing Identities, Reddit AMA
• [34:00–43:00] — Prisoner Numbers as Military Codes, Clipperton Island
• [43:00–48:00] — Rothschild Connection, 1971 Gold Transfer
• [48:00–52:00] — Decentralized Intelligence Agency Call-to-Action
• [52:00–End] — Q&A, Culture, Final Theorizing

14. Conclusion

Candace Owens’ episode is part investigative journalism, part speculative conspiracy, intertwining French political intrigue, US psychological experiments, and claims of international banking manipulations. She laser-focuses on uncovering hidden identities, military involvement, and the blurred lines between official and covert histories. Listeners are left with a strong call to join in the “investigation,” invited to become civilian sleuths in Candace’s "decentralized intelligence agency."