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Candace Owens
All right, you guys, happy Thursday. But also, don't be too happy because Blake Lively's PR team has introduced a new term to the lexicon. It's called toxic positivity. They're using that now in the press to describe the real life horror of what it's like to work for Justin Baldoni. I'm not kidding. He's apparently toxically positive. So lock him up, throw away the key. We're gonna talk about that. Also, the media is catching up to our podcast. Apparently we told you guys over a week ago that Taylor Swift was definitely getting subpoenaed. Everybody IGN that. And now all of a sudden, they're reporting this as breaking news, as exclusive news. Okay, whatever. Plus, in case you missed it, I was able to join Theo Vaughn and Stephen A. Smith on their respective shows. And you know what? It's really great. I'm telling you, it feels like everyone is moving a bit more to the center and it's a good thing for our country. But some people are having a different experience with these sorts of conversations. Some people believe it is, quote, unquote, Satan that is on the march. We're going to discuss that coming from the Babylon be managing editor. All right, guys, let's jump right into it. Welcome back to Candace. Okay, before we get started, I have to vent. I gotta vent about my. My two year old daughter. Bless her heart, you guys. She is two and she has got an imagination. And that imagination is running. And sometimes it is running when me and her father are not there. Sometimes she slides up next to me and really sad, convincing face. And she'll say, you know, mommy, the boys at school are not being very nice to me. And then I have to tell her that she doesn't go to school yet and she's home full time. And she has told us all sorts of things about her brother. She'll. She'll say her brother's sick. Her brother's completely fine. But yesterday she took it a little bit further, okay? She went to ballet class and told the other two year olds that her daddy was in prison. Okay, guys, I don't know. I don't know how to deal with this. I don't know how to deal with how funny it is and to be able to try to tell her why she shouldn't say that. And I don't know where she's getting this stuff from. I presume from her older brother who has an obsession with police officers in jail and prison. Anyways, you guys, I'm just looking for help here as a Mom, help me deal with this. And speaking of toddlers, Blake Lively's PR team has thought up their next attack on Justin Baldoni. And it's brilliant. It's exceptional. They are clearly spending top dollar, as we have learned, using their former CIA agents that they've hired them to convince the public that the real problem in this lawsuit with Justin Baldoni is actually the fact that he's too positive. I gotta tell you, after learning this, reading the articles, reading the Deep Dive, I am in fact prepared to switch teams. And so I want to show you it. Maybe you're going to feel the exact same way. Check out this headline in the New York Post. This is a real headline. Justin Baldoni accused of Toxic Positivity by Former Employees amid Blake Lively Lawsuit. And here's a direct quote. It felt phony. Oh, oh, yeah. And that article is actually quoting from another article which was featured in the LA Times. They're the ones that did the real work, the CIA work, you know, to get to the bottom of this very apparent flaw in Justin Baldoni's character. And I gotta agree, because, like, you know, when I watch his videos, I'm like, my cousin is way too positive. You know, it's toxic. And I never thought that this could be a term that could be used to dissuade the public against somebody. And here's a quotation from that article. It reads, but to some observers, his public gestures, such as filming himself giving clothing to a homeless man, or asking employees to sign their emails with the phrase so much love, it felt performative, aimed at self branding as much as bringing about genuine change. One employee says, off record, quote, it was constant positivity all the time. I would say toxic positivity, end quote, said one former Wayfarer staffer. They continue, quote, I'm always a little bit dubious of people who advertise themselves as disruptors of the status quo or, quote, unquote, good people. It felt phony. Now, obviously, because this journalist is working on this huge, explosive piece about somebody being happy or putting on a happy face at work. They went out to Wayfarer with these claims, and you could imagine this phone call. You come up like, hi, I'm a journalist from the LA Times, and we have some employees that are starting to speak about you off record, and they're telling us stuff about how you act at work, and we are hearing that your happiness feels phony. So what do you have to say to that? Here's what Wayfarer said. They said, quote, there have never been any reported Complaints regarding the workplace culture or any communicated issues regarding the platforms or its founders. If any guidance was ever provided to employees of how to conduct their written correspondence, it was to ensure that the activities of its employees remained professional and aligned with the ethos of the company. Wayfarer believes that joy and positivity are the essence of good work. And they stand by this statement. End quote. I don't know, guys. It's a. It's a hit piece of sorts, right? Like, imagine a world where you can report someone for being too nice. I don't know how the HR department is going to deal with these sorts of complaints. I don't know. I got my job of two years and I suffer from anxiety. I suffer from anxiety because I just think about how nice those employers were. They were so nice all the time. And it felt phony. Yeah, I want to be honest. I think 99 of people are phony at work. That's the whole point. Like, you're even phony when you pick up the phone and it's your boss. You're like, hello? Like. And then if it's your sister, you're like, hey, what's up? You know, that's the point. Like, you're not supposed to bring in your every emotion through the door at work. Actually, they're paying you to be phony. I gotta tell you something. Like, I'm paying you to not bring in the trauma of your life. Everybody has got trauma. We don't need you bringing it into the room. What is he supposed to do? Be like, I just got, you know, got into an argument with a friend of mine and now I'm angry. And then they would have felt what, more grainy? No, they would have complained the other way too. They would have complained. And so we've now moved within this lawsuit, which just shows you how frustrating this must be for the ex CIA team to be like, find. They're like, find me anything on him. Speak to former employees. And one employee is finally like, you know what? That man was so nice, it hurt. Justin Baldoni is so nice, it frickin hurts. Yeah, there he is. Look at that monster of niceness. And I think that is the problem with trying to problematize Justin Baldoni. You just kind of come up looking pretty stupid. By the way, in case you're wondering, I'm all about making sure that we are learning on this podcast. And I was like, what is exactly toxic positivity? Like, definitionally speaking, what the heck is this? And I took to Google so that you didn't have to. Here is the definition straight from Google. It says toxic positivity is the practice of forcing an optimistic attitude even when you're experiencing negative emotions. Yeah, so I do this with my toddlers. I do this with my husband. I. I would call this compromising. So if one thing upsets you, you don't take it out on somebody else. And apparently it's problematic. And so if you're. If you. If there's someone in your life who's just been acting nice and you know that things are not amazing in their life or that maybe got off call, but they're have a smile on their face, you too might be able to file a lawsuit. I just want one of those, those old school commercials, you know? Have you recently been in a car accident? Have you recently had an employee that buttons it up and is always nice every single day to you? You might be. Do some cash. Call Candace. What, a hundred? Candace. All right, anyways, enough about that. Back into the courtroom. We left you guys off with their respective legal teams warring protective order. Now, we covered this extensively, but what it is coming down to is whether or not the judge is willing to limit the case to a standard protective order for all the text messages and emails that are received during the course of subpoenas, which both sides have already agreed to a standard protective order, or whether he will be issuing a rather extraordinary aeo, which stands for Attorney's Eyes Only Protection Order, which in many ways means that Judge Lehman would be removing himself as the judge of what the public should have access to. Right. It would allow the respective attorneys to remove that power from the judge because they could just mark whatever they want. AEO like this is what is allowed to be seen by only the attorneys. And you can't even show Justin Baldoni. You can't show Blake Lively, and we can just mark whatever document we want to. AEO and I have been, I think, rather accurately referring to this as the Taylor Swift protective clause. Right. Well, Judge Lehman, they, while he hasn't made a final decision just yet in this matter, has come out and accurately assessed exactly what this case is. He's calling it a war between PR firms. There's no substance here in my view. There's no assault here in my view. This is a nasty game of public relations which began, in my view, when Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively worked with the New York Times to pretend that they were being victimized by the fact that Justin Baldoni did not want to hand over his movie. Okay, so this morning, the legal teams met virtually in a hearing. And that hearing was open to the public. It was not allowed to be recorded by the public. So we don't have an audio for you to listen to. We can just recap what went down. Blake's team argued, quote, there are 100 million reasons. Oh, that's not. That's not hyperbole at all. There are 100 million reasons for these parties to leak information because the PR value is greater than complying with the court orders, end quote. Okay? So they are basically saying if they're able to access all of this, they might leak it to the public, and you can't trust them to just abide by the standard protective order. Her team also argued that there is, quote, a significant chance of irreparable harm if marginal conversations with high profile individuals with no relevance to the case were to fall into the wrong hands. Okay, we're talking, obviously, we're clearly talking about Taylor Swift. We're talking about celebrities, right? And that is stunning to me. That is just absolutely stunning to me that they are making an argument while also trying to pretend they have no power. They are arguing for power, right? Like, we just should be exceptional here because we are dealing with not regular people, but really rich and famous people, your honor. And so Brian Friedman is coming back, and he sounds like the layman in this case. He says, quote, what the other side is asking for is because there is celebrity, because there is powerful people in the industry, somehow there is a different law that applies to them. And I agree with that assessment. Like, I have so agreed with every argument that Brian Freeman has brought forth. What do you mean? Would you do this if this was just some regular layman lawsuit? Your honor? Because that's. They're basically saying, well, if the public actually learns who we are, it could hurt our careers. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that. And remind you, they're not. This is not some, like, they're subpoenaing messages for three years. It's everything that's relevant to this case that can fall within the scope of this case. And judge Lehman has looked at both of these sides. And by the way, in the background, you still have Leslie Sloan pr, begging to be. That's Blake Lively's PR firm begging to be let go of the case. I think actually they may have the worst messages of all because they're just like, please, your honor, we are women. We are women. Why are we here? Your honor, I'm a girl. Please, we're ladies. This is not what ladies do. We don't do loss. I don't even know what they're doing. They're just so deranged. They're like I said, I have to assume everyone in this law firm is just extremely old. And there's running this weird feminist playbook that was just like, we don't care about. We generally don't care about your sex. We want to get to the truth of this lawsuit. And so Judge Lehman came back with all of these arguments going back, back and forth. And he said this, he said, quote, much of this information will become public as the case goes forward. For example, in motions for summary judgment and of course, at trial. He said, he said all this near the end of the hearing. And then he said, quote, there is a public interest in how the courts are being used that the court has to respect. And that's interest is what he's basically saying is this is already a very public lawsuit and you can pay attention to what's happening. Obviously, he's seeing podcasters tick tockers, the press that's following this. And he's recognizing how I behave has larger ramifications. People will think the court is corrupt if I, you know, honor certain things that I wouldn't normally honor. And him just acknowledging that, I think is quite honorable, like saying it's, it's. We just can't be corrupt. We're a court, and we have to do things and make sure that the court is actually respected. And in recent years, I would say the courts have lost a lot of respect for reasons that they've handled cases which people have deemed to be exceptional. And so I think him. Him expressing that is important anyways, the, the press in this matter. And I do want to say this, I am dying to know what is in these messages with Taylor Swift. Like, it's just crazy to me, the length that they are going through to protect these messages. Like, it is indicating that there is something way darker in my view. And again, I did this whole thread over the weekend where I was basically just opening up to you guys or just like, not even opening up, like revealing to you guys a lot of the stuff in Hollywood. It's just not what it seems. And I know this, unfortunately, fortunately, you know, I've been friends a lot of people, a lot of power players in Hollywood. Like, for example, it is 1000% true that there are fake relationships and there are trade ups. I spoke about this on my Instagram, which is to say there are people who date other people because they want to hide the fact that they're gay. That 1000% happens. These beard relationships that are set up by agencies, and it's not because they don't think Hollywood is LGBTQ friendly. If. If you're a part of my book club, we're going to get to. The next book that we read is Hollywood Babylon, which is about the founding of Hollywood. It was. It was always extraordinarily gay lesbian lavender couples, gay men marrying lesbian women so that they could hide that they were gay or that they were lesbians as they began to impact culture. It's a fascinating book that's written by Kenneth Anger. We'll get there. But the reasons why they hide those relationships today is not because they're fearful of coming out of the closet. This is not 1970s. But it's because they're fearful of how it will impact their career, which is to say that if you're a playing a manly man, right, in some capacity, they need to convince you that that portrayal is real. Right. And if you knew that actually, wait a second. This guy's actually quite camp and he's married to another man, that role wouldn't sell for you. Like, when you're in a theater, you want to be convinced by the character. Like, for example, I don't know, Bradley Cooper was like, the most convincing alcoholic ever when I saw him in that movie with Lady Gaga, which is A Star Is Born. And if you. If you know too much about somebody's personal life or if it changes things, like, if I knew, like, Bradley Cooper was actually, you know, married to a man and actually quite camp, maybe I would be like, I don't really know if I buy this role of him and Lady Gaga together. So that's kind of the reason why they put together these lavender relationships. Or there's a trade up. So you have someone like Ami. I mean, Ari. Pardon me, Ari Emanuel at wme. He's got a client that's new on his roster that needs a public relationship to kind of lift him up and which will allow him to get many more sponsorships. That's just, like, an asset that he's trying to build so that he can sell it at a higher price, which is just business. And then he's got someone who's got superstar power, like Taylor Swift, who is maybe willing to do that relationship because it. I don't know. There's like, another album coming out. People want to listen to it more. So it's those sorts of trades that are made. And I was bringing it up on my Instagram over the weekend because, like, a lot of you Guys were emailing me about Jake Gyllenhaal. And it's a well known thing, like, how did you know what was the falling out between Ryan and Jake? And it's a well known thing in Hollywood that it was like a relationship ended between the two of them. There was no nothing else beyond that. There's a lot of bi people in Hollywood doesn't like. I can't. I don't know what his true sexuality is. But it's interesting because I'm wondering if in this severity of this rush to protect Taylor Swift's messages and Blake Lively's messages, there could be something about relationship dynamics that they're fearful of the public finding out, which would actually deliver a very significant blow. Don't forget, allegedly, she's supposed to be with Joe Alwyn. That relationship ends, she comes, she's with Blake Lively. Maybe we're going to find something out about the nature of Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds relationship or Blake Lively and Taylor Swift's relationship. You know, what is the real nature of Taylor Swift? Nobody really knows because she is a brand. You know, she used to date Jake Gyllenhaal. And what, what is this? No one really knows what the nature is. What if you found out that everything between her and Travis Kelce was fake? How would that edit the way that you believe or. Or the way that you deal with Taylor Swift? Like, if you found out and she's just like in a message like, hey, WME is I'm gonna make me date this guy Taylor Swift, you know, this guy Travis Kelsey, like, do you want to go to these games or whatever. Actually, he's dating another guy. But I'm just saying this is like a scenario that could run. How would the public react to that? That is what I think is actually at risk here. There's something big, very, very big in this message, which is why they're asking for this extraordinary protection. Anyways, the press has been essentially behind us on all of these developments. They're acting like the girl from Mean Girls. You remember Karen Smith? Here she is.
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Theo Vaughn
Hi, this is Karen Smith. It's 68 degrees and there's a 30% chance that it's already raining.
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Candace Owens
Yeah, that's what it feels like. If you listen to my podcast and then you read the press, because we've been covering this stuff, we've given you guys all of the players, we've been telling you guys exactly what it is that's going on. And then the press is like, oh, my gosh, Exclusive. One week later, Taylor Swift is being subpoenaed. That's what Daily Mail is reporting. Look at this. They're actually putting exclusive, sensational new twists as Taylor Swift will be subpoenaed in Blake Lively, Justin Baldy, Legal battle and faces being questioned under oath and insider reveals. Yeah, that's my. That's a podcast. 10 days ago. AM I the insider? I don't know. And yes, they are acknowledging that she is going to be questioned under oath as a part of the saga and that a source close to the situation confirms a group of potential witnesses which include depositions that are coming to give evidence. And the potential witnesses are understood to be Taylor Swift. And the it ends with us co stars Jenny Slate and Isabella Bearer. So. And the staff at the talent agency wme, which represents Lively and executives at Sony. Exclusive, exclusive. Again, if you watch this podcast, you will have those exclusive reportings a lot earlier. Anyways, to wrap this up, I want to tell you what my prediction is. My prediction is that if Judge Lehman comes back and says no to the request of four attorneys, eyes only, then this is going to move the case to settlement. Currently, there have been no settlement talks because both sides are saying that it's premature. And technically it is premature because if you have a judge that's willing to let you just write AEO on everything, why not go to trial? There's no risk. And at least you might be able to save face and say, oh, I always thought I was going to win. I'm shocked by this decision. Who knows what their game plan is? It's going to hurt them either way. But I think if a judge come back and says no to aeo, then they are going to settle and that is going to be the end of the lawsuit. That it will end with a settlement and statements from both parties. But we shall see. Monami. All right, don't go away because we have Theo Vaughn coming up. I had a hard hitting heavy interview with Theo Vaughan and you. I know many of you have watched it. I'm gonna show you some of my favorite parts. First, I wanna remind you guys about preborn. You guys know how much I love this organization because I know that Planned Parenthood is spending millions to target vulnerable women, convincing them that the abortion pill is some quick, easy solution. I have been with these young ladies who have gotten abort or have used the pill and there is devastation that follows. I mean, I. I've been in college before. There's pain, there's regret. There's a reality that you're ending a life and that's why Preborn is stepping in. Through innovative technology, they are reaching abortion determined women before they take that pill, before it's too late. And in fact, to date, preborn's network of clinics have rescued over 300,000 lives and they have seen over 90,000 women come to Christ. Which is amazing. And it doesn't stop there. Preborn's network of clinics are with these moms every step of the way. They're after offering counseling, maternity supplies and the support that they need to choose life. But they cannot do without us. Just $28 provides an ultrasound to a woman that is in crisis. That is literally it. $28 to help her see her baby and choose life instead. So if you would like to donate, you can just dial £250 and say the keyword baby again. That's £250 baby. Or you can donate securely@preborn.com Candace. That's preborn.com Candace. And speaking of health, the wellness company. If you have been experiencing fatigue, bloating or brain fog. 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Like I said, it is Ivermectin plus Bendazole, an FDA approved parasite solution now combined in one cleanse. Just fill out a brief medical intake form to get your three month free supply. The wellness company is making hard to get medications digitally accessible so you can live your best life. So head to twc.health/ Candace and use Code candace to save $90 off plus free shipping. Cleanse your body today at twc.health/candice and use Code Candace. All right you guys. So I was actually on a call with a journalist this morning. You know, I do a bunch of, I guess you could say press and people that are interested in various topics And I think it went actually well. It was, it was a Wall Street Journal journalist and it felt like a very normal interview. I'm scared to say that. Anyways, she was just interested in kind of the shift into the podcast world and was just sort of asking my opin contributing to the rise of podcasting. And we spoke a lot about how now we're seeing people that are coming more towards the center. I think that that's been the major change. And I also think obviously this fracturing of trust in the mainstream media has been helpful and people are able to get direct to the source rather than hear somebody tell them about what that person is saying. And there's no greater example of this than me joining Theo Vaughan. He is absolutely hilarious. I have, I think I've only shown you one of his clips in the past, but I sat down for a long form interview with him and I just have to show you this montage of favorite moments with him. As we discussed my husband being British, we discussed the Mandela effect. If you guys are not familiar with that, that's essentially we all have the same memory of something, but they're telling us it wasn't a thing like Fruit of the Loom. Apparently there was no cornucopia. And I'm telling you there was. There was one 100%. And now there, there wasn't on Fruit of the Loom, but there was one. Anyways, Theo, Theon and I discussing all of these topics. Take a listen.
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Theo Vaughn
It would be great if your AC or whatever had like a Caribbean setting or whatever and you get a set and suddenly like some great music came out.
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Candace Owens
It's perfect.
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Theo Vaughn
And then some guy's trying to get you to gamble offshore suddenly like, what temperature is this? I think all British people are always just writing war letters and stuff. That's how I kind of always envision them. They're always just looking out the window and writing about the war to each other.
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Candace Owens
That's what my husband does all day, of course.
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Theo Vaughn
Yeah. And then even Paddington Bear, their bear has a coat. He's not even like, our bears are naked. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not saying that that's the way to do it, but. But if you bring up an American teddy bear real quick, let me see this topless bastard.
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Candace Owens
Paddington Bear is proper.
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Theo Vaughn
Yeah. Now some of these are obviously some pretty right wing bears. Put up a. Bring up a politically neutral teddy bear. A fascinator is a hat.
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Candace Owens
It's called the fat.
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Stephen A. Smith
The ones you wear to the wedding.
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Candace Owens
Those are Called fascinators, not hats. And there is a difference.
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Theo Vaughn
Bring it up. A fascinator.
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Candace Owens
Yeah. He's not. I want to see. I want to see him spell it.
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Stephen A. Smith
Too, because that's even.
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Theo Vaughn
He sounds like a gay superhero kind of. That's how I feel. Oh. And it's just a dude that shows up, and it's like, he doesn't have any specific powers like any of the other superheroes. He's just like, more like exciting. He's like, oh, there's fascinating Randy or whatever.
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Candace Owens
Pikachu.
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Theo Vaughn
Okay.
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Candace Owens
Was there. Describe his tail.
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Theo Vaughn
Pikachu short. Let me think of him.
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Candace Owens
Yeah.
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Theo Vaughn
Oh, God, he's nasty. He had short little tail. That lady scoffed at me when I fell out of that chair at the inauguration. He's like, oh, oh. Like, I had. Like, I was a fart that had come out of her. Oh, look at this. Gross. This thing from steerage that climbed up here somehow. This thing. I would never get in a lifeboat on the Titanic.
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Candace Owens
You know, that kind of. He's just hilarious. He really is hilarious. I was laughing the majority of the interview, by the way. I love that the live chat people are just fighting over Fruit of a Loom. That is correct. Everyone who's saying there definitely was one. Yes, we are so correct. We will go to war over this issue. My theory is we're just living in a matrix and they're just deleting files. I. I described it as like, there's probably some intern who accidentally hit the wrong button, and we're just all computer program. And then they just deleted accidentally, the corn copy. Like, oh, no. Now the millennials are going to have a different mem. This than Gen Z and Gen Z's. Like, there was never. And we're like, no, there definitely was on Fruit of the Loom a little. Come on. But let's be real. And also, what is Theoban's beef with Pikachu? Why. Why did he call Pikachu nasty? No one ever in the history of the world has ever called Pikachu nasty. And I think that we need kind of a further exploration of what happened between him and Pikachu. If it was just an incident when he was collecting cards. Whatever. Fantastic conversation. It's really fun. But we also talked about. About some areas where we agree on. And obviously we have different politics. And one of the great things about being able to host your own podcast is people get to come directly to you. And so these sort of caricatures that they build of us on the left or on the right they just kind of fail the test when people can get direct to the information. And one of the things they always made it seem was that I agree with Trump on everything. I don't agree with Trump on everything. And if you actually listen to my podcast, I disagree with Republicans on things all the time. I just am a conservative, and most of my values align with the Republican ticket, obviously. And as a Christian, most of my values align with the Republican ticket. And so we were able to agree on something that we both disagreed with that Trump did regarding Gaza or has said recently regarding Gaza. So here is that portion of the.
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Stephen A. Smith
Conversation to me, to speak about Gaza and talking about casinos and hotels, and these people just lost their entire families. It's so far removed from humanity and, And I think it's wrong. And I'm, I'm, I'm tired of America being used as Israel's piggyback. You know, for whatever reason, everyone can critique every other country for taking money from us, and then there's just. Everyone's blind when it comes to Israel.
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Candace Owens
And obviously, I paid a very heavy.
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Stephen A. Smith
Price for saying that last year, but I don't care because I, I am truly someone whose values have never been up for sale. Like, I don't care. I. I will burn everything to the ground and rebuild it. I have to be able to, like, sleep at night and to see those Palestinian children. And the. The images are seared into my brain.
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Candace Owens
The screaming, the crying, the bleeding.
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Stephen A. Smith
The stuff that we saw on X for the first time, largely thanks to Elon freeing the bird and really realizing how much we had been lied to about what was happening in that region. I, I just, it was very easy for me to say, take whatever you have to take from me. I just, I have to be on, like, the human side of things.
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Theo Vaughn
I think it's become both sides of the aisle now. Just see that. Yeah, human people, People just feel like this is. That it's just wrong. Of course what's happened is wrong. Like, probably a year ago, people were afraid to even say that, and now it is what everybody is saying. Like, even Piers Morgan is saying it on his show now. Like, people are saying, it's obvious that you can't go and annihilate and genocide this culture and just make them disappear. And then Trump to come on top of it and say, they're going to build. Who's gonna. You're gonna go on a lazy river where there was bodies of, like, who could even go to that?
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Candace Owens
And that's kind of these moments where we get to come together and remember that we're all human beings. And we were. Even if the mainstream media is attacking us all and calling us names, we can still have this conversation about what we know to be wrong. And like, essentially what we're saying is that our morality is not going to be trumped by propaganda. And so it was a great conversation. I hope you guys enjoy that. And you can go obviously find that on his YouTube channel or on his Spotify three hours. And he is hilarious and great. On that same note, though, of this sort of, these propagandists are trying to convince us that our humanity is wrong or by speaking and understanding things outside of the context of what's in our textbooks or what's happening on social media. I mean, what's happening on the mainstream media is wrong. I'm going to show you this tweet and without giving you the context, if I didn't tell you what it was about, what would you think it was about? This is Joel Berry. He is the managing editor of the Babylon Bee. I very early on this year told you the Babylon B, it's just completely fraudulent. I mean, these people behind the scenes are awful. And Joel Berry, though, has been having a meltdown for a very long. He's just calling everybody names. But this tweet literally made me giggle. Like, I now think the Babylon B is funny. So here it is. There's an evil movement on the march. Satan comes to steal, kill and destroy. Pray for God to thwart the plans of the wicked and protect people from this deception. Okay, you're like, what is he talking about? It must be really bad. Like, there must have been tons of people who died. Here's the full tweet, you guys. I will show you. He was talking about Ian Carroll going on Joe Rogan. He's talking about speech Ian Carroll. If you guys don't know him, he's been on Tick Tock for like two years. He used to just go through the grocery aisles how he started and speak about the companies that own all of the food and what's in the ingredients. And he built up a solid following for these, like, sort of fun investigative tick tock pieces. And he kind of hit my radar last year. And then he kind of hit it big when he had this back forth with Elon Musk. I would say that's when he kind of jumped over into a million followers a few months ago. And then Joe Rogan invited him to come onto his platform and it was such a fun discussion. They were speaking about things that are Real, Okay, MK Ultra. If you're reading the Chaos book and you guys are part of the book club, you know that's a real declassified government program. The majority of the files have been destroyed. And just, just the files that we can see are terrifying about the experiments and the brainwashing that was done on people. They also spoke about Epstein, why the files are not being released. What we can deduce from what we do already know about Epstein via his network of contacts. Contacts. And he is trying to say that this is Satan on the march. Like information being given to the people is Satan on the march. And so here I will just show you a clip. It's a very long episode. It's three hours. You should go watch it in its entirety and let me know if you feel that Satan was marching or if you were just listening to a very interesting conversation of independent media people discussing government files. Take a listen.
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Ian Carroll
I think that when you study the MK Ultra files and this is where there's a lot of conspiracy theories that are hard to prove. There's a bunch of witness victim testimony, but it's hard to prove is the Monarch programs are an alleged program that never got disclosed. And that's all the programs that are hidden behind child sexual abuse being a part of mind control. Because a lot of the drugs, like they can break people's minds and they can be involved in mind control. But a lot of those papers talk about dissociated identity, identity disorder as like the holy Grail of that Manchurian Candidate concept. And it makes a lot of sense if you know what just how dissociative identity disorder works.
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Candace Owens
Right.
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Ian Carroll
And that is most commonly associated with dark, grim childhood sexual abuse. And then you get all these victim testimonies, hundreds and hundreds of people these days talking about how they are, were a part of these programs. Like people that were on Epstein's island that claimed to have been victimized as children and, and put subjected to mind control experiments. Environments paired with childhood sexual abuse.
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Joel Berry
It's just so hard to believe that people are that evil. But they have been throughout history. This is why it's weird. It's like we'll look back on the Victorian era or we'll look back on the, the, you know, the, the man boy love of the, you know, Socrates era. We'll go, that's just back then we've evolved anymore. Yeah, yeah. But when the, when they've identified specific aspects of traumatic past that they can use these particular victims of trauma, of childhood trauma and take them and turn them into Weapons.
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Ian Carroll
Yep.
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Joel Berry
That's so wild.
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Ian Carroll
Yeah, but.
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Joel Berry
But that's. That is an asset, right? If you got someone who's so crazy, you could talk to them and get them to do things and give them acid and get them to Sir Hansarhan levels or whatever the they did to Jack Ruby.
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Candace Owens
So this is like, this is Satan on the march. US learning about the things that our governments have been up to. And I think this is the perfect opportunity to tell you. Gu. Listening to that. Obviously, for those of you that got very invested in the Becoming Brigitte series, everything he is describing in terms of childhood abuse and the idea that you could turn somebody into a weapon, these are all the concepts that came up in our Becoming Brigitte series as we went through. Just the media completely lying to you about everything as it pertains to Brigitte Macron and Emmanuel Macron. And on the back of this. This is insane. I learned that Emmanuel Macron has hired a crisis PR firm in the United States and this crisis has connections at Tick Tock. In one day, all four of the becoming Brigitte clips that we cut on TikTok were hit with strikes, and my account is now facing a ban. Okay? This all happened last week. It's been insane. And we are dealing with this. And I think the best answer to this would be for people to go watch the series, to watch every series that we do. But it is difficult for me to put into words how utterly deranged and psychopathic it is that this man is trying to move through the United States court systems to shut down speech and has now hired a crisis PR firm to try to deal with Tick Tockers to be banned for discussing the truth about the person that he married. Okay? He was never going to bring this court case into the public, into Tennessee. I have dared him many times do this because I told no lies, okay? I told no lies throughout that series. So his best solution is to hit content, make content makers on Tick Tock and to try to get us ban for speech. This is, I hope for everybody on both sides of the political aisle an understanding for you of why speech is so important. Because they can get you fired up and they can get you to hate one person, whether that's Trump, whether that's Biden, whether that's Kamala. But at the very moment that anybody who's purporting to be on the left or the right. Joel Barry, the Babylon be. We're conservatives. No, you're not. Okay? You guys are calling for speech laws right now. You're pretending that Satan is involved. If people freely speak about the corruption of our governments, if people like me and Theo Vaughn sit down and speak against about the corruption that we see overseas. You're panicking. You're freaking out. These people are the greatest threat to our freedoms because it means that they believe that we should only trust the experts. And what happens when we learn that the experts are corrupt? What happens when we learn that the experts are perverts? What happens when we learn that the experts are actually corrupted and taking money and doing deals to enslave the rest of of us just like the rest of humanity? Globalist deals. For those of you who watch the Becoming Brigitte series, it's terrifying how how power can exist at the very top and they can go after journalists. We can't have that happen in America. So a threat to the speech of Ian Carroll, Joe Rogan, Theo von Candace. Give me a person on the left who's being taken down for saying something, even if I don't like them. It truly is, in my view, a threat to our democracy. And that is why they are scrambling so much with podcasting. They don't understand this independent media venture. They hate it. They are trying to smear, they're trying to say it's wrong. They're trying to call everybody conspiracy theorists, say in whatever it is. And I want to draw your attention to that because what Emmanuel Macron is doing is. It's just. There's no other way to describe it other than psychopathic. And there's more that I haven't even told you guys. And, and I'm telling you, it's getting me to the point that I want to do a second series series on email Macron, because I will not tolerate this. I think it's completely ridiculous. Anyways, you guys, before I get to some of your comments, I want to mind you about American Financing. I know the average person today is feeling the financial strain more than ever because expenses are up, wages are not keeping pace, and many people are finding it nearly impossible to make ends meet. With little left over after covering the basics, it's no surprise that many are resorting to credit cards just to get by, often carrying high balances and interest rates in the 20s or even 30s. If you're a homeowner and you're stuck in the cycle of mounting debt, you should call my friends in American Financing because their salary based mortgage consultants are saving homeowners an average of $800 a month, which can help you put your hard earned money back where it belongs. Plus, if you act right now, you might be even able to skip your next mortgage payment. There are no upfront fees, so it costs you nothing to find out how much you could be saving each month. It's time to break free from the stress of debt. So talk to American Financing today and take control of your financial future. You could just call 800-795-1210. Again, that's 800-7951210. Or you can visit American financing.net Owens that's American financing.net Owens. Okay, let's see what you guys are thinking in the chat today about all of this. Oh, I also did Stephen A. Smith. That was another one. That was great. Because he was on the left and he kind of had to do this monologue. I think he was kind of fearful that he would get a lot of backlash for having me on. And it was actually, I checked the comments. It was the opposite. People were kind of refreshed by it. So things are cracking in the right direction. But if you want to check out the Stephen A. Smith podcast, you can also find that available on YouTube and I think on Spotify or wherever it is that you listen. Comments? Number one from John. John writes, Candace, for the first black female president, a shout to our girl Kamala. She paved the way for us colored folks. Thank you very much, John. Emily writes, how happy to see it. It seems like you and JD it seems like you like JD Vance now. Am I right? Love you, Candace. I haven't met him, so I'm a person. I'm telling you, I go on vibes and I meet someone. I get an instant gut mommy feeling. You know, like it's like a superpower that women have. I haven't met him yet. There are things that he has done that I think have been great and funny and. But I'm just cautious about everyone because I'm cautious about the government. I'm cautious about what happens when people go to D.C. and get power in general. And I haven't done a deep dive on him. I have not yet done a timeline about J.D. vance months. That's. That's what I haven't done yet. I need to do my psychotic timeline. Mishi writes, part of me doesn't want Justin to settle. He deserves to be exonerated. Yeah, I know. I think about that often. Like, should he settle if there is an opportunity? Well, he can be exonerated via a settlement. Right? So you're just saving the court time, saving your court costs. And you could say, the only way that we're going to settle this lawsuit, which we think we're going to win, is you make a full mea culpa. You make a video and you say that you lie and you can't stop lying. And this has nothing to do with me being toxically positive. It has to do with you guys flying too close to the sun and thinking that you were untouchable and what you did was demented and what you did was wrong. And if you say that to the public, then I'll walk away at that moment. It'll be their ego on the line, and they could potentially have to do both by the end of it. I mean, you lose a lawsuit, people that know that you lied, and on top of that, you got to pay $400 million. I mean, it gets interesting. But I do agree that he should not settle until he gets that full mea culpa. It's. Archie writes, please don't stop doing interviews with these independent podcast cast. It's super dope seeing you in your element in someone else's space and showing people who you are rather than who the media says you are. I have some more that are upcoming. Don't worry, you guys. I tend not to travel a lot now because I just have so many kids and it's just not worth being on the road. So Theo, I found out was like my next door neighbor. Terrible neighbor. He never offered me cup of anything. Sugar. Nothing. I had no way. I was like, wow, you live right here. This is crazy. I could play pranks on Theo if I want. Just so you guys know. Maybe I will. Maybe I will do that. April is just around the corner, a couple of weeks away, and maybe I'll just play a crazy trick and put Pikachu on his front yard. Nasty Pikachu just on his front yard. I think I might do that. Theorist writes, I am crying about your daughter's cute little lies. Love you can. I'm like, what is this phase? You can't tell 2 year olds that your dad's in prison. You can't. There are rules. And you can't. You can't reprimand these kids. Cuz it's so funny, you know, like when she just tells like a little lie. Like she's like a pretty little liar and she just says stuff. And I'm like, thank. That's just not true. It's not true at all. And she tells me that she forgot her makeup. I'm like, you don't. You don't have makeup. We're not turning the car around. You don't you don't have makeup. We're just going to the farmers market, girl. Anyways, allegedly writes Stephen Smith's closing monologue. Yesterday was fire. Don't even think about challenging her. You better know what the hell you are talking about when you come at her. She isn't going anywhere. I really appreciate that. As you guys learned in our sit down, I've actually always been a fan of Stephen A. Smith. Used to have to watch First Take every morning back when I was just a young buck in my early 20s. And yeah, it was great. Him and Skip Bayless and I think we actually have a quote. We are. My producer is writing that. We actually have a 45 second clip from his monologue. So we can watch that now.
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Brian Friedman
She's sharp as attack. And you damn well better be if you gonna come for her. Because ladies and gentlemen, like it or not, Candace Owens, she's not going anywhere. Anywhere. Even when you thought she was gone. She's around number eight on Spotify's list of podcasts and climbing. And she's in her 30s. She's not going away. No matter what summer you want, she's not going away. Deal with that. If not, I get the impression she will make you.
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Candace Owens
You know what that was. That felt like toxic positivity. Let me go back to my definition because that sounded like he was toxically positive about me. Oh, okay. A practice of forcing an optimist even when you're expecting negative emotions. Yes, that was that. I will be fine. Will be filing a lawsuit against Stephen A. Smith for toxic positivity. I'm gonna have the Hollywood Report reporter write that up. In many ways, I really appreciate that, Stephen A. Smith. I actually did not. I missed that ending there. So thank you very much for saying that. And it does feel like we've won in many ways against the mainstream media narrative about me. I'm definitely not going away. And because I love what I do, I love speaking with you guys every day. I love hearing what your ideas are. I like seeing what you're interested in. I like learning from you. I love being wrong also and like editing something and coming back to you. It just feels like we are, are. We're in a toxically positive relationship. Me, me, my podcast listeners. And so on that note, you guys, you will see you tomorrow. We'll jump right back into the Harvey series. This time taking a look at Jessica Mann, who put him in for three years in New York. Now that you guys are, if you're not caught up on that, go. It is amazing. To understand exactly what Judge Lehman is kind of alleging here or implying here, which is like there is faith that is being lost in the court systems, and people are being treated differently. And unfortunately, REM people who are disgusted with Harvey Weinstein, he was somebody who was definitively treated differently in court because of clearly someone that was much more powerful than him behind the scenes. I think that may have been orchestrating everything. And a terribly corrupt judge is what I would say. Anyways, you guys, we will see you tomorrow. And in the meantime, if you'd like to head to Cannes, Owens.com you can buy our book, support our independence so that we don't have to rely on YouTube when we get demonetized. We are not demonetized right now, but we were for a very long time. Love you, Mood show will see you then.