Candace Ep. 232: “BREAKING NEWS! Jean ‘M’ Trogneux FOUND In The United States In The 60’s.”

Host: Candace Owens
Date: August 21, 2025

Episode Overview

In this solo, unfiltered episode, Candace Owens unveils what she describes as a potentially explosive new lead in her ongoing investigation into Brigitte Macron’s past—namely, the mysterious appearance of a “Jean Marie Trogneux” in the United States in the early 1960s. Candace tackles the significance of this find, shares developments from her readers and her research team, and expands her discussion to explore themes of media manipulation, propaganda, military-grade actors, and clandestine psychology experiments. She also delves into the “White Lotus” motif and the historical presence of the Trogneux name in odd places—involving Jesuit missionaries in China and the White Lotus Rebellion.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The “Hit Dog Will Holler” Theory

• Candace opens by explaining the American expression “a hit dog will holler” as a frame for the episode’s theme: overreactions can signal a sensitive truth struck.
• Example 1: Her tweet about genocide (2023), meant as a broad anti-genocide statement, prompted defensive, unrelated responses from former friend Dave Rubin and others.
  • Quote: “That was a random hit dog that's hollering.” (04:10)
• Example 2: Her critique of Freud and the history of psychology, met with intense pushback, drives her further into research uncovering links between psychology and covering up abuse.

2. Media Manipulation, MK Ultra, & the Macron Lawsuit

• Candace discusses her deep suspicion that “the world is a stage,” and alleges the presence of “military grade actors” manipulating public perception.
• She notes the close familial tie between Sigmund Freud (psychology) and Edward Bernays (propaganda).
• Reveals she is being sued by French President Emmanuel Macron and that the lawsuit mentions “MK Ultra” 18 times, despite her only referencing it in the context of the show/book “Chaos” and mind control experiments.
• Quote: “Why is Macron upset? Why are Brigitte and Emmanuel upset that I mentioned that on episode two of this series?... [MK Ultra] is being honorably mentioned in this lawsuit of everything that I'm alleging.” (13:28)
• Implication: Candace finds it suspicious that the Macrons zero in on this CIA program in their legal attack.

3. The Jean Marie Trogneux Find

• Candace’s research team receives a tip: A “Jean Marie Trogneux” appears on a 1961 crew list coming from France to the US.
  • The Trogneux name is incredibly rare, localized almost exclusively to Amiens, France.
  • The timing fits the “missing years” of Jean-Michel Trogneux (the person Candace alleges is Brigitte’s birth identity).
  • Entry found as a crew member (“oiler”) aboard the French cargo ship MS Michigan, arriving in Seattle August 27, 1961, and also visiting British Columbia days before (16:40).
  • The ship’s captain is identified as Guy Choplin; only one photo of him found.
• Significance: Could link the elusive Jean-Michel Trogneux to US travel/routes in the period Brigitte claimed to have lived in the US as a youth.

4. MS Michigan & Its California Connection

• Lawsuit discovered: confirms the MS Michigan was operating between Germany and Oakland, California, in 1971.
  • Oakland is within a short drive from Stanford University, relevant because of psychology experiments of the era (Stanford Prison Experiment, MK Ultra/jolly West).
  • Candace wonders if the same “Jean Marie Trogneux” could be placed in proximity to these events or experiments, particularly as the MS Michigan’s manifest and crew records remain unclear.

5. MK Ultra, Stanford Prison Experiment, & Acting

• Candace notes the prevalence of actors, secrecy, and potential manipulation in famous psychology experiments.
• Shares new findings about the Stanford experiment:
  • Participants actually did know each other; some were acting.
  • John Marks (prison guard in experiment) confirmed in a Reddit AMA that some participants were his friends, and a grad student posing as a prisoner was a mole for lead researcher Zimbardo.
  • Philip Zimbardo used pseudonyms for many participants; full roster remains secret.
  • Quote (John Marks, as read by Candace): “The bad guard from the night shift, that being David Eshelman, was a high school friend of mine. Unfortunately, the experiments and the way his play acting was interpreted as real tainted the results.” (25:25+)
• Raises the possibility some supposed prisoners in the experiment—a group that included a few French speakers—are misidentified or were replaced covertly.

6. Brigitte Macron’s US Years — Still No Proof

• Despite Brigitte’s statements about spending much of her youth in the United States—including “celebrating the moon landing with Americans”—no manifest or entry exists for “Brigitte Marie Trogneux” or “Jean-Michel Trogneux.” Only this “Jean Marie Trogneux” is found.
• Candace calls for photos, records, or any verification from the Macrons, expressing her willingness to correct errors if new information arises.

7. White Lotus: From HBO to 18th Century China

• Responding to a viewer, Candace transitions from the modern show “White Lotus”—which she criticizes for glamorizing incest, a theme she sees increasingly normalized in pop culture—to a historical investigation.
  • Discovers an 18th-century French Jesuit named Father Francois Theodore Trogneux (“Father Trogno”) was present in China during the White Lotus Rebellion, and was explicitly accused of involvement with the White Lotus sect, which was associated with sexual ritual accusations (mostly unproven).
  • Reaches out to viewers, especially those in China or with historical expertise, to help investigate these threads.
• Quote: “What was going on in this White Lotus sect? If anything, maybe I'm wrong. I don't know anything right now. That's the point. That's why we go to you guys. Because we get to just activate a bunch of investigators.” (52:11)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Trogneux family name:
  “The Trogneux last name is incredibly uncommon. It's almost like when you start looking at this story, it only exists exclusively in and around the region of Amiens.” (15:20)

• On the alleged “missing years”:
  “We have no trace of Jean-Michel during those years. We don’t really know where this first lady went either when she was spending time in America. This Jean Marie... that's a very good time frame.” (16:50)

• On being the target of a presidential lawsuit:
  “They want to sue me out of existence—for what? For reporting on a book that doesn’t make any sense?” (18:42)

• On the improbability of so many French speakers in the Stanford Prison Experiment:
  “I don’t know what the chances are that you round up random people in America, graduate students, and they’re, and they’re French. They can also speak French? That’s of interest to me.” (32:00)

• On seeking help from viewers:
  “If you know about shipping, you know about shipping. If you know about cargo ships, if you know about crews, how often crews change out—the point is, this is listed as a crew member of this ship.” (21:09)

• On White Lotus and the Trogneux name in China:
  “There was in China a rebellion that took place... under the guise of saying that we're here on a Catholic mission came in to China. One of their names being Father Trogno, I kid you not.” (57:30)

Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:30 — Candace introduces episode theme and the “hit dog will holler” philosophy
• 03:00 — Genocide tweet example and overreactions
• 08:00 — Freud/psychology pushback and secrets in history
• 11:30 — “Chaos” (Tom O’Neill) and media as military-grade propaganda
• 13:00 — Macron’s lawsuit and the curious focus on MK Ultra
• 15:20 — The rare Trogneux name, Amiens, and searching the US records
• 16:40 — Viewer tip: Jean Marie Trogneux found in 1961 US cargo ship manifest
• 18:42 — Legal/personal stakes: being sued for researching
• 21:09 — Shipping records/captains, crowd-sourcing research
• 24:24 — Clip and analysis of Stanford Prison Experiment “actor”
• 25:25–33:00 — John Marks Reddit AMA, pseudonyms, manipulation in psychology experiments
• 32:00 — Possible French connections among Stanford Prison participants
• 36:00 — Call for international aid: seeking shipping records, family photos
• 47:21 — “White Lotus” in pop culture, incest normalization, and HBO critique
• 57:30 — The Trogneux surname’s appearance in 18th-century China with Jesuit missionaries, linked to the White Lotus Rebellion

Candace’s Open Calls & Research “Homework” for Listeners

• Assistance in tracking shipping records for Jean Marie Trogneux in Canada and internationally.
• Verification of the Stanford experiment participants—if you were involved, or know one, to come forward.
• Research assistance from Chinese listeners into the White Lotus sect/rebellion and the role of Catholic missionaries, especially Father Trogno.
• Submissions of photos, family papers, or other documentary evidence linking Brigitte and/or Jean-Michel Trogneux to the US in the 60s.
• Continued crowdsourced research into all aspects mentioned, with promise to publish corrections as more is learned.

Closing Thoughts

Candace ends by emphasizing her commitment to learning the truth, her openness to being corrected, and her increasing conviction that something significant lies beneath the “hit dog hollering” reactions of her targets—including the Macron legal team. She expresses gratitude for listener support and their role in helping unravel this developing story.

For Next Episode

A hiatus is announced as Candace and her team dig deeper into Jean Marie Trogneux and the numerous leads presented, promising more revelations in Season 2 of “Becoming Brigitte.”

If you found a segment especially compelling or have a tip, Candace invites you to write in: tipsandison.com