Candace x Baron Coleman LIVE!! | Candace Ep 293

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Candace x Baron Coleman LIVE!!" | Candace Ep 293

Date: January 21, 2026
Host: Candace Owens
Guest: Baron Coleman

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Overview

In this high-voltage, freewheeling episode, Candace Owens and Baron Coleman team up for nearly 90 minutes of intense, unfiltered discussion centering on the ongoing fallout from the Charlie Kirk assassination. They deep-dive into new revelations, explore possible conspiracies, analyze the power dynamics at Turning Point USA, and dissect the interconnectedness of major figures and institutions. The conversation touches upon leaks, internal purges, suspicious patterns around mass shootings, military corruption, child trafficking, and the machinations of the conservative and Zionist establishments. The tone is impassioned, skeptical, and sometimes darkly humorous, with both hosts candidly expressing frustration at misinformation, cover-ups, and personal attacks.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Turning Point USA Purge and Internal Dynamics

(00:56–07:13)

• Candace reports a major staff purge at TPUSA:

  • 30–40 employees fired in search for organizational leaks related to the Charlie Kirk assassination.
  • “Rather than try to be an honest organization, it's just let's get rid of all the people we think might be disclosing that we're a dishonest organization.” – Candace (01:14)
  • Story of a female employee wrongly accused due to screenshots on her laptop—mass panic ensued.

• Management and Central Players:

  • Baron argues the firings show TPUSA was overstaffed and poorly managed.
  • Erica (Kirk) seen as the decision-maker, with Tyler Boyer and Andrew Colvett in key advisory roles. Baron questions their judgment and motivations.

2. Deep Suspicion Surrounding Charlie Kirk's Assassination

(04:42–08:09; 24:30–26:06; 45:49–49:20; 51:26–63:39)

• Alleged Cover-up:

  • Persistent belief that Turning Point’s internal response was suspicious.
  • Dan Flood, a security figure, possibly promoted instead of dismissed after the assassination—a “protected person.”
  • Military connections: Fort Huachuca repeatedly recurs as a hub for key characters.

• Institutional gaslighting:

  • Candace remains sure that the official story, especially surrounding security and Kirk’s warnings before his death, does not add up.
  • “There's just more than meets the eye with Erica, full stop… I'm uncomfortable with the amount of inconsistencies that have presented themselves in her story.” – Candace (07:29)
  • Allegation: Kirk had considered demoting Dan Flood and warned of danger; new leadership did nothing.

3. The "Mass Shooting Coincidence Satellite" and Military Ties

(08:11–17:35)

• Erica Kirk’s odd connection to the 2012 Aurora theater shooting:

  • As Miss Arizona USA, she tweeted about a close friend in the theater during the shooting (09:00).
  • Candace expresses discomfort with persistent “tragic coincidences” among conservative circles–notably, figures like Rob McCoy being present or intimately linked to past mass shootings.

• Victim Profiles:

  • The case of Jessica Ghawi (“Gowie”)—present at two separate mass shootings within weeks in different cities, including Aurora, CO and Toronto.
  • New Braunfels, TX, and military ties keep recurring in the backgrounds of victims and key players.

• Underlying Hypothesis:

  • Candace speculates on a broader conspiracy: “What if there are just targets in the military just going in and killing people and then blaming it on some tranny... or a die hard MAGA guy... and we're so at each other's throats that we're missing broader [themes].” (10:36)

4. Militarization, Mind Control, and Psychological Operations

(17:35–24:30)

• Institutional Rot:

  • The concept that “good guys” at low levels are distinct from those in military high command, where “satanic, anti-American” agendas dominate.

• Historical testimony:

  • Candace plays a clip from Kathryn Pollard Griggs exposing military intelligence as a “mind-control operation” run by “sexual deviants… easy to control… become mind slaves.” (21:46)

• Pattern recognition:

  • Candace: “It is very obvious to me that these sorts of people are being sought out. Like, how far will you go? How deranged are you? Are you willing to harm a child? And if so, then you sort of pledge yourself into the cult.”

5. Child Trafficking, Military, and the Shadow State

(24:30–26:06; 38:44–40:47)

• Recurring theme:
  • While probing the Kirk case, Candace keeps hitting the “child sex trafficking” thread in proximity to power players.
  • Questions what Netanyahu/Israel’s “offer” to Kirk/TPUSA was really about—implying possible compromise, corruption, or illicit quid pro quo.

6. Conservative Media and Zionist Pressure

(30:16–43:44)

• Feuds and Loyalty Tests:

  • Dave Rubin accused Candace online of “ranting against Kirk” at his home—Candace retorts, revealing unflattering details about Rubin’s behavior and motivations.
  • “You could disagree on tax cuts… but you cannot disagree on the Israel issue… or you are cast aside and lied about.” – Baron (32:22)
  • Reveals Rubin (allegedly) tried grooming a young male employee, which Candace cites as why their friendship ended.

• Zionist establishment:

  • Candace and Baron allege coordinated efforts from figures at PragerU, Daily Wire, and the broader Zionist media ecosystem to silence or ostracize nonconformists like Candace.
  • Discussion of Trump’s foreign policy “flip,” pressure from globalist/Zionist donors, and support from former “Never Trumpers”.

7. Disillusionment with American Institutions & False Dialectic

(44:18–49:20)

• Left vs. Right is a Distraction:

  • Candace: “If you are still having those arguments… you’ve not yet seen the big picture, and I refuse to play a part of it.” (44:18)
  • Both reject the “false dialectic” of left vs. right—believe the real struggle is between “good” and “evil”/corrupted power versus the people.

• Religious and Ethical Crisis:

  • Baron sets a new voting standard: “Give me a Christian who pledges to place America’s priorities first or I’m not voting for you.” (45:16)

8. Key Anomalies in Kirk Case Post-Assassination

(51:26–63:39)

• Timeline & Alibis:

  • Scrutiny over flights, alibis, and hospital arrivals immediately after Kirk’s death.
  • Discrepancies in stories told by Erica Kirk, Andrew Colvett, and others—Candace highlights conflicts between public statements and her private conversations.

• Succession Narrative:

  • Candace deeply questions the official claim Charlie wanted Erica to succeed him as TPUSA head—says this contradicts Kirk’s character and public stance on women with small children working outside the home.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• (01:14) Candace: “Rather than try to be an honest organization, it's just let's get rid of all the people we think might be disclosing that we're a dishonest organization.”

• (09:00) Candace: “[Erica] says, ‘one of my best friends was in the [Aurora] theater.’ So Erica has a personal attachment via her friend who was in this theater at the time of another shooting. And I'm uncomfortable…”

• (10:36) Candace: “What if there are just targets in the military just going in and killing people and then blaming it on… a transgendered person or… [a] die hard MAGA guy…?”

• (21:44) Kathryn Pollard Griggs (played clip): “…the United States military is literally run by sexual deviant, heavy on the homosexual side…. they actually become mind slaves. And the US military, literally, as outrageous as it sounds, is a mind control operation.”

• (32:22) Baron: “You could… disagree on a lot of foreign policy, but you cannot disagree on the Israel issue. You just cannot.”

• (45:16) Baron: “You give me a Christian who pledges to place America's priorities first. You don’t give me both of those, I’m not voting for you.”

• (51:26) Candace: “When they had Amfest and Erica came out, they played audio of Charlie saying that he wanted Erica to take over for him. And I was curious about that… If you have the audio, shouldn’t you have the video?... I do not like the fact that we are being told that we have to believe [the official story].”

• (62:33) Candace: “She waited to go to the hospital… Like, why wait an hour on the tarmac? And then… they went into different entries into the hospital. Erica went through the back and Andrew went through the front. So there's a lot there that doesn't make sense to me.”

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Memorable Moments & Running Jokes

• Joe "Crash Out" Segment
  (76:11–79:58)
  Baron’s fiery response to a critical viewer named “Joe,” which has become an inside joke: “You can learn to not be like you are, Joe.”

• “Doge Effort” & Cease and Desist Letters
  Satirical references to organizational mismanagement and petty legal threats.

• Reference to “the club”
  Allusion to George Carlin's “big club, and you’re not in it”—used to summarize why the outsider perspective will never fully grasp the elite machinations.

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Important Timestamps

• TPUSA Purge/Leak: 00:56–03:09
• Fort Huachuca/Military Connections: 04:42–17:35
• Kathryn Griggs Clip: 19:43–22:34
• Zionist Influence & Dave Rubin Segment: 30:16–43:44
• Institutional Crisis/Religious Commentary: 44:18–49:20
• Succession & Aspen Donor Event: 51:26–57:43
• Flight Timeline & Hospital Arrival After Assassination: 62:33–71:09
• Baron’s “Joe Crash Out”: 76:11–79:58

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Conclusion and Call to Action

Candace and Baron end by inviting listeners to continue submitting leads and tips, with Candace encouraging support of their non-corporate, independent work (“We're not being funded by Zionists, obviously. We're just being attacked by them.” – 82:58). The episode strikes a balance between dark suspicion, investigative rigor, and gallows humor, ultimately framing the struggle as “a spiritual war of good versus evil.”

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Find Baron Coleman:
YouTube: Real Baron Podcast (with one R)

Email tips to:
[e-mail]

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“We are in a spiritual war of good versus evil. Everything done in the dark will be brought to light.”
– Listener Comment, echoed by Candace (81:11)

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Candace Owens]

All right, you guys, welcome back. I'm actually very excited today. I know you guys are. You were freaking out in the chat. I told you that I was going to be joined by Baron Coleman. None other than Baron Coleman here in studio. Guys, just get ready. Just exceptional amount of rabbit holes that we have to jump through today. I told you as yesterday that we received a tip and it just made my mind go poof. I just so much happening here, so many connections. Baron, you have done fantastic work digging into Charlie Crook's assassination. You would think the feds would do that, but apparently it's not their job.

[Baron Coleman]

No. We've had to decentralize the investigation a little bit.

[Candace Owens]

Right. And I think they're nervous that not.

[Baron Coleman]

Only are they nervous, I think they're terrified.

[Candace Owens]

Right. And I, I. Are you of the opinion that this is going to be resolved one day?

[Baron Coleman]

Not to the satisfaction of a lot of people, but I think to, to a certain extent, yeah, it's going to be.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah. Well, I, let's just start with just some news. You heard the same thing that I heard Turning Point USA did a massive purge of employees a few days ago or at the end of, I guess last week you could say. What did you hear about that purge?

[Baron Coleman]

I heard there were 30 to 40 people purged that they were looking for the leak. They knew there are leaks out of tpusa. They are terrified of these leaks because of what TPUSA has been up to. And rather than try to be an honest organization, it's just let's get rid of all the people we think might be disclosing that we're a dishonest organization.

[Candace Owens]

It's just unbelievable. So I heard specifically a story and it made me chuckle because it's like the most Andrew Colvett thing ever because he's obviously the brains of the operation and so apparently I don't know what the context was of why they brought this girl into an office or what if they were planning on firing her. But the point is they made her bring her laptop up and they, Andrew saw in her laptop that she had screenshots the timeline from my show and they. It was apparently mass panic. They didn't know why she had screenshot this and they thought that therefore she was the leak. Why would someone leak me my own timeline? I don't know why someone would do that. I'm like, Andrew, that doesn't make sense. Like why would someone leak me? But I create this was from public information of where Charlie was and the Egyptian planes. Who knows? She must have been a standis, but apparently other people at the office are watching the show live. They panicked and they fired every single person that she was friends with, who she knows, and she was not the person that was leaking to me.

[Baron Coleman]

So the leak is still there. I know that for a fact. There are leash still there.

[Candace Owens]

It's a leaky ship and they're just going to fire everybody. Never taking in more money, but they're going to have. Who are they going to replace people? It's just going to become a pack. Well, I think it's going to become a pack.

[Baron Coleman]

This is a point I made, I made to somebody recently. I said, if you can fire 40 people from your organization, you had too many people on the payroll. You were just blowing money. And that, that is a bigger indictment of. Of the problem at tpusa than the fact that they felt like they had to fire 40 people. To me, if you can get rid of 40 people in an organization of only 6 or 700, if you can fire 40 and keep the lights on the next day, you've got a problem with how you're managing your organization. Might need a doge effort.

[Candace Owens]

Doge effort. Hey, careful. Last YouTuber that said that got a cease and desist letter.

[Baron Coleman]

That's right.

[Candace Owens]

Which we're not going to sue you, but we are going to get some lawyers to send you a cease and which is the first step to suing you for defamation. Just a terrible mistake. You really wonder what is going on there? Who do you think is actually calling the shots?

[Baron Coleman]

I think Erica ultimately is calling the shots, but I think she's being advised. Horrifically, if I had to guess. This is my opinion. Tyler Boyer and Andrew Colvett. Potentially. There are some other people. I think I've heard you mention another name that, that you're pretty suspicious of, but I would say Tyler and Andrew are leaning in her ear and. And helping her to make horrifically terrible decisions.

[Candace Owens]

Right. I would be surprised if Tyler was the one advising on the legal stuff. He. He is smarter, Right? He's corrupt, but he's smart.

[Baron Coleman]

Yeah.

[Candace Owens]

And he wouldn't be. So I don't think he would be so dumb as to be advising some of the things that they're doing. Like, I mean, going after. What do you. What do you have to gain from going after this youtuber. What do you have to actually gain from the cease and desist other than people then realizing that you lied about the drones? Again, I know how many different stories you can get about these drones. And finally, a lawyer's like, okay, there were drones, but they were for the media only and not for his security team.

[Baron Coleman]

I wonder if they were really drones. I mean, I genuinely question that story to the point where I don't even know if their lawyer has the right. The right question, the right answer as to whether or not there were drones. It seems that screwed up. I don't even know if they know whether they were drones.

[Candace Owens]

Well, speaking of drones, I think that Fort Huachuca panicked them. Of course, when I shared the Mitch Snow thing, I knew nothing about Fort Huachuca. I knew nothing about the military E4s, O5s, 06s. I'm sorry I wasn't playing Battleship. Whatever it is that guys are into, I was not into when I was young. And yeah, Erica has been very open about the fact that her mother DOD contracts. And once you start looking into what her mother did, obviously Erica is very familiar with Fort Huachuca. Then we sort of learn that everybody in this movie that never premiered or it never was released east is related to Fort Huachuca and the Sierra Vista area. And you just go, okay, what's this panic about? Then we learn. And I forgot to mention yesterday that Dan Flood's father ran intel at Fort Huachuca. So they're all familiar with this base. And I want to say we received a solid tip yesterday that Dan Flood, not only has he not been fired, he's been promoted at Turning Point usa.

[Baron Coleman]

Now, that is absolutely stunning if that's true. That's absolutely stunning.

[Candace Owens]

I will say allegedly. The person said they are positively certain that that is a circumstance I had never heard that Dan Flood got fired. I don't know what they're doing with Dan Flood. I don't know what he's doing in New Braunfels. But I do know that this, he is a very protected person and not innocent in this by any stretch of an imagination. I don't believe that Dan Flood is innocent in this in any stretch of imagination.

[Baron Coleman]

In my opinion, he's not innocent. I mean, look, you had a protectee of yours tell you within a few days that, that someone was probably going to kill him and then he died. You obviously failed, and in my opinion, 100% opinion, but that is prime evidence that you failed at your job.

[Candace Owens]

What's interesting is that my Turning Point insider told me that before Charlie died, there was some sort of back forth between him and Dan Flood where he was going to demote Dan Flood. Okay? Now Dan Flood is there, Charlie gets killed, and the new CEO that assumes the role does not fire the person immediately or at the very least, demote him. We know that because he was protecting her at the White House when they did the Charlie Kirk day, which is like, you know, the Fed has to do that. If they kill you, they have to give you a day. It's like some rules in some handbook that we can't see. And so you're telling me not only does she not move to clean house with the security team, but she also promotes Dan Flood? What. What's that about?

[Baron Coleman]

I don't know. And I think if I remember those photos correctly, wasn't Brian Harpel also in that frame at the White House or in Washington, D.C. when she was.

[Candace Owens]

I can't recall.

[Baron Coleman]

I think I'd have to go back and look at that photo. I think he was. It's. Again, this is all opinion. Everything I say is opinion. I think it's evidence that there's more than meets the eye to what happened in orem, Utah, on September 10th.

[Candace Owens]

I think, in general, we are all now at the point where we realize there's just more than meets the eye with Erica, full stop. And there have been. There's been some life lived. I think that's. That's putting it mildly. There's been some life lived, and I'm uncomfortable with the amount of inconsistencies that have presented themselves in her story. The connections with so much sex trafficking. I've even got something that I'm going to reveal tomorrow about her parents having worked with somebody that was accused of, um, something to do with children. It's just. It's. It's a bit too much. But you and I received another tip and I called you and I was like, you should probably come in studio for this, because this is sending me down a rabbit hole.

[Baron Coleman]

Yeah.

[Candace Owens]

Someone sends us an email. I'll. I'll let you tee this one up. Someone sends us. Sends us an email. We're going to. We're going to show it, but you go ahead.

[Baron Coleman]

Well, what happens, you know, if you. If you look at the President's Twitter account, the Pope's Twitter account, what happens is when you get a title, you get control of the social media during your reign.

[Candace Owens]

So potus.

[Baron Coleman]

Yeah, at potus, at Pontifex, apparently Miss Arizona USA has the same thing that the Miss Arizona usa, whoever's the reigning Miss Arizona usa, gets control of that account. And they don't delete those tweets. And so they're still there 10, 12, 15 years later. You can go back to Erica Kirk's reign as Miss Arizona usa and read her social media, including interesting tidbits about mass shootings.

[Candace Owens]

Yes. So back in 2012, you guys may or may not recall, but you will, now that I say it. There was this mass shooting that happened in a movie theater where a guy, we were told, the public were told, kind of similar to the Charlie Kirk assassination. Some guy walks in in tactical gear. But this was like, he was like, throwing smoke grenades. I mean, looks in retrospect, pretty military. And then they pull out this guy and they're like, hey, this movie was coming out. Here he is the back. He's. It's this guy. He did the whole thing. Well, at that time, when, when Erica was. It was her year as Miss Arizona, somebody just randomly tweeted her and were like, why haven't you made a statement about this horrific shooting? And Erica replies, and this is what she said. We can show this. And now it says, just so you guys are clear, it says Candace Canavel, because she now runs that feed as he was explaining. But this was Erica tweeting back at that person. Erica says, one of my best friends was in the theater. So although my acknowledgment hasn't been blasted via social media, it's been more on a personal level. So Erica has a personal attachment via her friend who was in this theater at the time of another shooting. And I'm uncomfortable, and I'm going to tell you why I'm uncomfortable, because I had already sort of built out the satellite of the coincidences, tragic coincidences, of people affiliated, namely Rob McCoy. How you can start to draw out this, like, satellite of shootings that have happened or events that have happened and like, you know, oh, the Borderline Bar and Grill shooting that took place in California. Rob McCoy's the Pastor, Thousand Oaks, you know, Pastor. He's intimately involved with the victims of the shooting. It's the people that are at the Borderline Bar and Grill are there because they were all at the Las Vegas shooting. Kind of looks like military target. But we're told another story. Then Rob McCoy happens to be in Nashville and, oh, there's another shooting, same story. You know, this trans person, Aubrey Hale, just went crazy and decided to shoot up in elementary school. And I'm starting to wonder, and I'm looking at this stuff and I'm going to. Is there something that we're missing here with all of these mass shootings? This false dialectic between left and right? It was a trans person. Oh, it was a die hard MAGA that did this. And we're all shouting at each other. Are we missing maybe something else? And so I'm starting to revisit these. And I said to you, what if there are just targets in the military just going in and killing people and then blaming it on. On some tranny, like at all times a transgendered person or. Right. Hard die hard MAGA guy just strapped up his guns and did something. And we're. We are also at each other's throats that we're missing broader. So we sort of re. Examined this. This shooting, and some interesting stuff came up.

[Baron Coleman]

Yeah. One of the. One of the victims was at a mass shooting a few weeks before the mass shooting where she died. And that immediately sent off alarm bells in my head. I. You immediately start looking. You said, hey, did you know she had been in Toronto? Well, what are you talking about in Toronto? Well, she was at a mass shooting in Toronto. What. What got me was. And this was a mall shooting. For those that don't remember, it's back in 2012, a lone gunman, a crazy guy, walks in and just starts shooting up a mall. I think he fired eight or nine shots, killed a few people. Yeah. Food court. And Jessica Gowie. G H A W I There she is right there. Jessica Gowie was in that food court. She paid her bill at like, I don't remember, six, 20 or something like that. And three minutes later, the shooting started. But in those three minutes, she said she had a really weird feeling in her stomach, decided she didn't want to be around, and she walked out. And I thought, that's weird. She has this premonition that something bad's gonna happen. Then a mall gets shot up, and then a few weeks later, she dies in a mass shooting. It's a. It's a very weird set of circumstances, and that's just the beginning of the weirdness.

[Candace Owens]

And she was shot six times?

[Baron Coleman]

Yes.

[Candace Owens]

So this theater we're supposed to, you know, we're told this guy just went crazy. Whatever. This girl got shot six times. 12 victims in total, including an unborn child. And Jessica is. Is unique in that not only is she shot six times, but the person next to her. Who is it? Was it an ex boyfriend?

[Baron Coleman]

It's hard to tell if it was an ex boyfriend. It was. She used to live in New Braunfels, Texas, of all places.

[Candace Owens]

Bam. That's another thing. And I'm like, what goes on in New Braunfels, Texas? That Jessica Gowie also lived there.

[Baron Coleman]

She was in New Braunfels, Texas. She goes to visit her boyfriend in Toronto. So I'm assuming this guy that she died with was not a boyfriend, but she died with a guy. And he had flown in from New Braunfels, Texas to see her to go to this movie in Aurora, Colorado. It's a really weird story.

[Candace Owens]

So he survived the shooting.

[Baron Coleman]

He did. He was shot in the rear end, I think.

[Candace Owens]

Right. And strangely, he says, he describes like he knew she was dead and she had brain splatter. And yet then we hear that rather than leaving her where she is, two police officers go into the theater and they pull her into a police car and personally say that they take her to a hospital. I don't know, just something about this Jessica Gowie twice bad luck of being at a shooting. And then also, of course, this location, Aurora, Colorado, which is where the shooting took place, being so close to columbine. It's just 20, 20 miles away from Columbine. And both of these locations are. This is, you know, in Aurora, Colorado, there actually is an Air Force base. It's out. It's now the Space Force Space. But it used to be the. In Air Force Base when Columbine happened. And when the Aurora shooting happened, I think through 2021, I did take some notes on that. So I just want to get that right. It was the Buckley Air Force Base from the year 2000 to 2021. So there's a military presence here. And I'm starting to notice this common thread of military people that are just like in that theater alone, there were a ton of military guys that were victims of the shooting. And there's. There's one other thing that aside from New Braun Falls, Texas, that is another theme in this chess G. Who's. That's where my eye went to when I looked at the victims. Like, this is strange in her background. I think her background is interesting because she has an adopted. An adopted brother. And I just don't know what to make of that.

[Baron Coleman]

Yeah, her. Her dad divorced her, or maybe her mother divorced her dad. I don't remember when she was very young, three, four, five years old. And they've lived apart. And it was interesting to me because when her father passed, she was not mentioned in his obituary. His daughter, who was tragically murdered not terribly long before he died, was not mentioned in his obituary. It's a little weird, but he was mentioned in hers. And sometime after is a big age gap, but after she leaves the house, the father adopts this young boy and raises this young boy as his son. And it was. It's Just weird. I don't want to, I don't want to draw any weird, too weird of a connection. But it's a very weird look.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah, it's just like that thread of like military and New Braunsfield and New Braunfels, Texas and you know, Colorado Springs area, whatever you want to call it, which I told you Charlie was supposed to speak at the next day after UVU and I go back because I know people are going to shout at me because they keep telling me I have to read it. I and I, I did only read like the first two chapters and I was interested but then I got distracted. But Bill Cooper had made a lot of predictions. He was supposed to be the original conspiracy theorist who before there were any mass shootings was speaking about the military and saying that these were going to come and that there were all of these dark military projects that were going on. And I think just on the basis of what we know when we start to unpack our military MK Ultra Project Looking Glass, say literally there are satanic connections in the military. This is seems self evident to me that our military has been up to no good for a very long time. And of course I'm talking about the top. We're obviously tons of military guys who watch the show who have nothing to do with anything. It's always at the very top that things are corruptible. But when we have actual Satanists that are running psychological operations in our military, how are we supposed to feel that we're being protected when we are learning about children being trafficked on military onto military bases, how are we supposed to feel that our military are the good guys that are out here to, you know, serving our country, trying to protect us? Especially as our country has been largely in a steep decline.

[Baron Coleman]

It has, it's. It's hard to draw the distinction and anytime you mention it, obviously your frontline guys get upset and I get it.

[Candace Owens]

You know, of course they should.

[Baron Coleman]

Yeah. But you know, I draw a distinction between a guy who signs up and says, oh, I want to serve my country, I want to make my neighbor neighborhood a better place, my state, my country a better place. I want to protect freedom, I want to advance liberty. And then when they get in the battlefield, it's all about the guys around them and it's heroism and courage left and right all over the place. I draw a tremendous distinction between that crew and the people who ascend to the very top and have this clear satanic anti American globalist manage the American client agenda.

[Candace Owens]

Right.

[Baron Coleman]

And you know, if you can, if you can mentally draw that distinction. You can begin to see the frustration from people like you, me and many others who look out and say, why is our military flying drugs into the country? Why is our military trafficking anything? Why aren't they just, you know, grabbing guns and going shooting bad guys? Why, why is, why is it, why is harm being perpetrated on the American people?

[Candace Owens]

That's exactly right. And I do draw a distinction. We all, we know this. When institutions become large, they become corrupted. And you talk about this even in media. You have someone like Tucker Carlson who used to work for cnn, used to work for Fox News, and obviously went an entirely different, different direction when he realized that there was something wrong with the media apparatus as a whole. This has been that Tucker Carlson signed up for the ideas of Rupert Murdoch or anybody else. No, same for me. I, that's. You sign up because you believe in something. You think it's something. And then when you get up close to it, you realize, wait a second, it has made a. Something has made a very dramatic turn. I want you to actually watch this clip before we go to break because there was a woman named Catherine Griggs who was married to a colonel in the Marine named George Griggs in the late 1980s. And this is about the. Things got real weird, I would say, after they shot jfk. I think it's almost like the satanic agenda began to catalyze and listen to what she says about what the military is, what her husband told her the military was. Take a listen.

[Kathryn Pollard Griggs]

Your name is Kathryn Pollard Griggs?

[Candace Owens]

Yes.

[Kathryn Pollard Griggs]

You are the wife of Colonel George Griggs.

[Candace Owens]

Yes.

[Kathryn Pollard Griggs]

Eleven years of marriage.

[Baron Coleman]

Yes.

[Kathryn Pollard Griggs]

It's true that your husband is and has been the head of Special Operations under Admiral Kelso, NATO.

[Candace Owens]

Yes.

[Kathryn Pollard Griggs]

And it's true that you were the head of the Hospitality Committee.

[Candace Owens]

Yes.

[Kathryn Pollard Griggs]

You were the member of the executive board of NATO's Wives Club.

[Baron Coleman]

Absolutely.

[Kathryn Pollard Griggs]

And. And also that your husband's background includes NATO Defense College in Rome.

[Candace Owens]

Yes.

[Kathryn Pollard Griggs]

Princeton, class of 1959.

[Baron Coleman]

Yes.

[Kathryn Pollard Griggs]

His intelligence career, spy career began in Vietnam.

[Candace Owens]

Yes.

[Kathryn Pollard Griggs]

And it's also true that it continues unto this day.

[Baron Coleman]

Absolutely. Under General Wilhelm.

[Kathryn Pollard Griggs]

And that your husband was the liaison between the White House and President Djemal of the Beirut, Lebanon at the time of the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon.

[Candace Owens]

Yes.

[Kathryn Pollard Griggs]

And in fact, your husband was an alcoholic.

[Candace Owens]

Absolutely.

[Kathryn Pollard Griggs]

And probably incredible to this day.

[Baron Coleman]

Absolutely.

[Kathryn Pollard Griggs]

And during these drunken stupors, he would, so to speak, blab on and tell you everything he knew about the intelligence community.

[Baron Coleman]

Everything.

[Kathryn Pollard Griggs]

Nothing was hid it was like he wanted to relieve himself and unburden his heart. So he told you everything that you now know about the intelligence community and that you are talking about. And in fact, he told you that they knew the bombing was coming down in Beirut before it occurred.

[Candace Owens]

Absolutely.

[Kathryn Pollard Griggs]

And also by your association with him, you have come to understand and know, as shocking as this may sound to the people who are viewing this, that the United States military is literally run by sexual deviant, heavy on the homosexual side.

[Candace Owens]

Truly.

[Kathryn Pollard Griggs]

And that in the United States military, people like Jeffrey Dahmer and Kaczynski and McVeigh and Oswald and a host of other people who have a sexual deviant background, primarily homosexual, these individuals are actually sought out by people within the military.

[Baron Coleman]

The Army.

[Kathryn Pollard Griggs]

The army for advancement into intelligence type work because. Because they are so easy to control and they actually become mind slaves. And that the US military, literally, as outrageous as it sounds, is a mind control operation.

[Baron Coleman]

Yes, totally now. Totally now.

[Candace Owens]

They've gotten rid of the good folks.

[Baron Coleman]

Like MacArthur, got rid of them one by one.

[Candace Owens]

Totally take over. I mean, McVeigh, Oswald, I just look at that and that makes sense to me.

[Baron Coleman]

Yeah, she mentioned some big names there, and it doesn't surprise me. I mean, that someone would do a little pillow talk with their wife and spill all the secrets. That doesn't shock me. And I find her pretty believable, the way she acted.

[Candace Owens]

Right. And she worked for the government. I should also mention that. So this wasn't some conspiracy theorist. She's saying, this is how it works. And like I say, if you even try to slightly look into the history of our military, you. This is what you discover. If you, if you just like the slightest incursion into history in America, people that are developing these programs the slightest into. Into MK Ultra, I mean, even stories that shouldn't be running parallel to this or stories that I'm looking into running parallel to this, they'll suddenly run into it. They'll converge, which is like the Brigitte Macron story I ended up with. Military child abuse. These same exact themes on a totally unrelated story where I just sort of looked up and went, oh, that person does kind of look like a dude. That's funny. They're saying that in France and here we are, and Jean Michel Trogno disappears after he joins the military and is stationed over in Germany. And to where he goes, we don't know. But it's very obvious to me that these sorts of people are being sought out. Like, how far will you go? How deranged Are you, are you willing to harm a child? And if so, then you sort of pledge yourself into the cult. And that's why I was saying on my show that I feel like these people are wall white. Like there's a bunch of white walkers among us, people that have been harmed in their childhood or a part of this gang and they're just, it's like they're, they're sleepwalking through life just taking commands from people and they don't really have a soul.

[Baron Coleman]

Yeah, it's, it's a very satanic. If you take a, a literal view of, of the demon, the, the demonic influence into everyday life of humanity. And I, I firmly believe that you get a sense that this demonic plot works its way into public life, into government officials, into military, into the media, into academia. They are trying to control humanity. They despise humanity. They want to control humanity, they want to destroy humanity. And what better way to do it than to infiltrate a place with nukes?

[Candace Owens]

Yeah, you know, yeah, absolutely. And it's terrifying because it does, it does, I think, to be optimistic about things. This is the first time that we've been able to have this conversation mainstream, whereas before I even me, I would have been like, these people are completely kooky to think that this is how things run. Obviously people are basically good and I still believe that people are basically good, but I don't believe that governments are basically good. And I think that kind of the old guard is losing control and they're becoming more desperate in their control, which is now leading to more revelation about who they are. But I found, and Scott, I don't know if we have it handy, but when I was going through this story and I just kept saying, how many times can the theme of child sex trafficking come up as I'm investigating Charlie Kirk? This doesn't make sense to me. Like what, what actually is Turning Point usa? What was the million dollar question is. Yes, Bibi Netanyahu made an offer to Charlie Kirk to take Turning Point to the next level. That was told to me from Andrew Kollvet. Okay, that's not some random conspiracy theorist. It's the spokesperson for Turn Turning Point usa. Yes, that's been confirmed by somebody in, you know, Andrew Colbett's personal orbit who said that when that happened, Andrew said he lost money. But the million dollar question is, in exchange for what, what. In exchange for what, was bbnet and Yahoo going to take Turning Point USA to the next level?

[Baron Coleman]

And I, I don't, I honestly don't know the answer. I don't know the answer. I think some of the leaks inside of tpusa, I think they know the answer and I think maybe they're terrified to say it.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah, well, you better bet, because Charlie was alive and now he's not.

[Baron Coleman]

Exactly.

[Candace Owens]

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[Baron Coleman]

You better get that name right.

[Candace Owens]

I promise. It's. It's. It's Shabbos. I. I am being so real. Yes, Shabbos. Shabos. Shabos. Kestenbaum, and he's going around telling everybody it's going to be a takedown of Candace Owens. And that's what her new focus is at Prager University, which is supposed to be about, like, educating people about free markets. Guess not. She's mask down Ben Shapiro, who it's so irrelevant. Doesn't even matter. But you could easily go, oh, she was mean to. No, they have no stories. I worked hard and was loyal to the companies while I was there. I was a good friend of these people. And so Dave Rubin starts his Morning Today choosing Zionist violence. And this just shows you how petty they are. Just to tee this up, he. He tweets that he has been holding onto this for a very long time. But that one time I went to his house for dinner and I told him that I hated Charlie Kirk. And on top of that, I ranted not just about Charlie Kirk, but I also ranted about Jared and Ivanka to the Charlie Kirk thing. I have literally no idea what he's talking about. Asked my husband. He's like, zero memory of us even discussing Charlie Kirk on the Jared and Ivanka front. I fully remember because it was such a light joke. And, you know, once upon a time, Dave Rubin used to try to say he was a comedian and you used to be able to tell jokes with him. And he asked. He said he had recently been to Jared debanka's house because they had moved into Miami. And he asked me what I thought about Jeremy Bacon. I gave my honest opinion. I don't know what to think of them because they're too perfect. They pretend to be friends with everybody left and right, and when you're around them, they present very perfectly. And I was like, I just don't know what they actually think about things. Like, there's the layer that you can never pierce through. He then offers a joke, which was real, that he. When he went to their house, he's like, it was so perfect and pristine. Then when he walked in, like, the child was playing, like, Beethoven on the piano. And it was very funny, right?

[Baron Coleman]

Yeah, that was it.

[Candace Owens]

That was our conversation. I had a laugh about it. Today he's tweeting, I was ranting against Jared and Ivanka and that I hate Charlie Kirk. And he was the original person that was upset when I said, genocide is always wrong. This was like, Dave Rubin replied and was like, how could you say this? How could you make this statement? And it just made me so angry because there's a lot wrong with Dave Rubin. There's a lot Wrong with Dave Rubin?

[Baron Coleman]

Well, there's a. There's a whole lot wrong with Dave Rubin. I mean, you could. You could open that up and go for days. It's interesting to me that you. You were allowed to pro abortion or anti abortion, and they'll accept you. I mean, they might say I disagree with you pretty vehemently, but ultimately, as long as you vote Republican and support the top of the ticket, they're going to be fine. You can disagree on tax cuts, you can disagree on a lot of foreign policy, but you cannot disagree on the Israel issue. You just cannot. You have to be 100% in support of the secular government, whoever happens to be in control at the time, all the time, or you are cast aside and. And lied about. And I don't believe for a second that Dave Rubin would have sat back for years on a story like this about you if he'd have had it, if he'd have known it and not mentioned it by now. I don't buy it. It's not a believable set of circumstances. And the fact that he thinks other people will buy it shows that he knows people just hate you and will believe anything someone says negative about, and.

[Candace Owens]

They'Re just running out of things to say. That's. That's also what it shows, is you're. You're going to a friendly dinner where we. You tossed a joke about Ivanka's kids. I have nothing bad to say about Jared Ivanka. Like I said to him, they've always been very nice to me. I don't know what they actually believe. Like, they just. They're just perfect and everybody is supposed to like them. But also, Jared was running the White House for four years. I've said this stuff on my show. But to represent it and reintroduce it like it's something bad is what's wrong. And I do want to say this because then he posts. Posted a picture of me at this is how nasty he's being. He posts a picture of me and him, and he says, and as long as we are doing this, here we are at Peter Thiel's house in la. Strangely, she never mentioned to me that he was a humanoid cyborg. And so the idea here is she's trying to make it seem like I'm a fraud because I've spoken about Peter Thiel, and. And I don't remember what year this is. This is. I do not remember it was 2018, because this was the trip when I went to go see Kanye, right? I went to go see Kanye. That's why I'm wearing the same outfit from when me and Charlie are walking there. And Eric Weinstein was. I don't remember if he was brought with Kanye or what the deal was. He then said, let's go to Peter Thiel's house. Okay, I don't know Peter Thiel. I literally don't know Peter. So I met him at his la. He was having a party or whatever. It was a very unique day. Never met Kanye or Peter Thiel. And he's kind of presenting this like I'm being, like, a fraud, I guess, is the vibe he's trying to put out there. So it's like, okay, for all. Let's get a couple of things straight. The real reason that I stopped being friends with Dave Rubin is a situation that made me extremely uncomfortable and made me feel that Dave Rubin was a groomer. Okay, Hand to God, this happened. Hand to God. Dave Rubin hired a person who worked with me on my team, not exclusively for me, at Prager University, and that he was very young. If I had to guess, he was 18 years old, might have been 19, young, just starting. And he was ready for the next step in his career. He then decided he was going to move to Miami to work for Dave and his husband. And when Dave told me this, again, I have. Obviously, I was very green at a lot of times. If you even go back and find me, like, not really sure about my ideas about, like, gay marriage and abortion, whatever. So I. He says to us, oh, we're friends. We're going to, you know, hire him. And this. It's so crazy. He has a really rigid Christian household, and his parents are fearful for him to come work for two homosexuals in Miami. And I was like, that's so ridiculous. Like, what. What do they think is going to happen? You. Fast forward, fast forward. I see Dave Rubin again. Again, hand to God. And he says to me and my husband that him and his husband. And I will tell you, this kid was extremely shy. One of those kids that blushes very easily and just a shy kid. Just a normal shy kid. And he said, we think he's secretly gay. And so we've been like, you know, egging him to, like, just, like, experiment and to, like, hook up with a guy or to see, like, that's what it is. We think that that's. He's so shy. Like, he's diagnosing this young male as suffering from repressed homosexuality because he's shy. I don't know. Does he recognize that? Nobody even thinks this Way the idea of me prodding the narrative about whether or not one of my employees is a virgin or whether they've slept with men and women, like, that's not normal. That's not a normal thinking pattern. Okay? What ends up happening is he then says that they compelled him or supported him. Not compelled him, but pushed him and pushed him to go on date with a guy and to have his first kiss. Shortly thereafter, the kid quit and moved to, if I'm correct, Texas is where he moved to. And I am. I was very happy that he did that because it was very obvious to me that they were grooming him into thinking he was a homosexual because he was just probably an inexperienced, shy kid. That's the reason I stopped being friends with Dave Rubin. I never shared that story until the audacity of this person who has told me about how he's done drugs with Peter Thiel. And also, you wanna talk about being a bad friend? How about the fact Dave Rubin. Also, while we're on the topic, sorry for this rant, I gotta get this Kanye out. That he complained he's such a cheap ass. Okay. That it was one of the reasons him and Charlie had a falling out. And we'll get to that in a second. He likes to live above his means. And he told me that he needed $5 million to buy some house in some swanky neighborhood. So he went to his friend, billionaire Peter Thiel, and asked for $5 million. And they wrote it as, like, a bridge loan or whatever. And so he wasn't, like. He was gonna, like, have the money, but it was gonna be a bridge loan. So Peter thiel gives him $5 million with friends like these. Right. It's great. I mean, it's amazing who among us. But Peter Thiel then asked for a percentage. Like, you know, yeah, I'm gonna loan you this money, but if I'm gonna be the bank of Teal, you're gonna pay interest. And he was. I can't believe he's a billionaire. This would be a drop in a bucket. He could just give me the $5 million and he's gonna make me pay interest. He's literally talking trash about a guy that loaned him $5 million. Yeah, right. Currently, he had loaned him $5 million. He was talking trash about him. So I just wanted to say that because that's actually what happened. That's the real reason I stopped being friends with him. And the audacity of him to then lie when he knew better than anybody how close me and Charlie were. He was there when Charlie hired me. He was there when the Kanye tweet happened because of an event that all three of us were there. He knew better than anyone that Charlie and I were friends and that we remained friends until the very end. And he's publicly lying because I won't support Israel. He wants to help them. When the ghost of Charlie. Kirk, when the reality is Charlie's viewpoints on Israel changed over the last year, they had been changing because of the pressure that was coming to him by donors to control what he was saying and thinking and who he could invite to his own events. I just want to rant.

[Baron Coleman]

I just want to know how much of that 5 million he used to buy those boys that he seriously.

[Candace Owens]

And I'm such a good friend that when that whole debate was waging, I said, if I have something to say to Dave, I will just say it to Dave directly. Because this is their culture, the Zionist culture of flaming your friends. I mean, Megan described it with her and Ben. She said, one minute he's texting me saying we'll always be friends. The next I look up, he's on a stage and he's calling me out and calling me all these names. They just do this if you disagree with them about Israel. I've done nothing wrong to Dave Rubin other than disagreed with him about the topic of Israel.

[Baron Coleman]

Yeah. And, and, and, and if you don't believe him, he served chicken parm. Some. For some reason that's related.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah, he's my. My husband made her chicken parm. Yeah, it was a good. I have nothing bad to say about the chicken parm, but I have a lot bad to say about you and the way that you have treat. I don't want to bend the knee to be Netanyahu. I don't care what your family's ties are. I don't care. You guys are all. They're behaving like a mafia. Like they. I think it is a mafia.

[Baron Coleman]

I think it is, too. I mean, and I think that gets to the bottom of it. There's a family. It's a big, you know, George Carlin. It's a big club, and you're not in it. There's a family and we're not in it.

[Candace Owens]

Right.

[Baron Coleman]

We're just not in it. And we'll never understand it because we're not in it. We weren't. We weren't born into it. We weren't asked to be a part of it. And so to the extent you are willing to hang around on the side and support it, then, then you're useful and then the day you're no longer willing to support it, you're no longer useful.

[Candace Owens]

That's right. And it's scary because you wonder about how many people, what they were actually going through. I look back at people that we thought were crazy and thanks to the bravery of Kanye, like exposing the messages with Harley Pasternick, you realize it's the same cult and they want to control you, they want to own you, they want to drive you crazy. They want everybody to end up up like Britney Spears and pretending that you had some sort of a mental break, which is what I think they were trying to do with me.

[Baron Coleman]

I guarantee you that's what they're still trying to do with you.

[Candace Owens]

Right. The way they were. Someone needs to take our kids away. Yeah, because they don't support Israel.

[Baron Coleman]

No, that's that. This is the beginning. I mean, it's, it's going to continue against you.

[Candace Owens]

I agree. It hasn't stopped. There's been a non stop onslaught and as we can see with the Daily Wire, it's like, it's like exactly the experience of trying to leave a cult. And speaking of that, Trump, let's get to this headline. Jerusalem Post. The World Jewish Congress President Ronald Lauder is involved in Trump's push for Greenland. Here we go. So we were all wondering why are we talking about Greenland so much?

[Baron Coleman]

Yeah.

[Candace Owens]

Why is Greenland like so to suddenly fetch.

[Baron Coleman]

Right.

[Candace Owens]

What were your thoughts on that?

[Baron Coleman]

My, my thoughts were exactly what you just showed there. If there's not some sort of financial interest for some sort of donor or some sort of supporter Trump has not shown. It's interesting we talk about this on the one year anniversary of his installation. For Trump too. I mean, people have forgotten he's been in office a year already. It's pretty shocking. But if there's not some sort of pecuniary interest for a donor or for a supporter, he has not shown a willingness to want to do it. And that is so different from Trump won. I mean, Trump won was, you know, he did a lot of very unpopular things. He took a lot of slings and arrows, he took a lot of heat. He's not doing that this time. And as a result, you see a lot of support from people who fought Trump during the first administration. I mean, genuinely fought him, tried to put him in prison, tried to kick him out of office, tried to impeach him, and now they're sitting on the sidelines like, you know, his foreign policy is pretty good. I don't Know if you've noticed, I'm.

[Joe]

Like, no, this is not who we.

[Baron Coleman]

Want on our team. This is not what we fought for. This is not what we went through hell for in 2016 and 2020. Not so that Trump can take Greenland for a donor.

[Candace Owens]

Right. What do you think is going on with Trump? Why this sudden flip from America first to a Zionist slave?

[Baron Coleman]

I think I could go back to Butler, Pennsylvania. I genuinely think it could go back to Butler, Pennsylvania. And I don't know if he looked death in the eye and it just made him think, I don't want to do this. I'm not ready to die. I don't want my kids to go through this. That's kind of the innocent explanation. In my opinion. The more sinister explanation is, hey, we fought you every step of the way. If we're going to not do that again this time, not only will we not fight you, we'll make you and your children fantastically wealthy. I mean, you are already generationally wealthy. We'll make you a king state funeral. Everyone's going to love you. You'll be celebrated in countries all over the world as an absolute hero, unifier of all of humanity. But you got to do everything we tell you. You absolutely everything we tell you. So it's either a fear based motive or a, a pride based motive. But it's not a best interest of the United States based motive in my opinion anymore. I mean, I think that ship has sailed.

[Candace Owens]

It has, it has. And it feels almost embarrassing for those of us who fought so hard for him and the idea that they're going to sell to us that we have to follow him and go, oh, what do you mean? It's like you guys infiltrated. We see that. It's so obvious. Obviously, the crowd, the populist movement is not being represented by Trump anymore. This is. Everyone who was a part of the Never Trump movement is now supporting Trump.

[Baron Coleman]

Right.

[Candace Owens]

I say Trump became Never Trump.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Baron Coleman]

Ben Shapiro. Ben Shapiro the other day was on camera saying, oh, his foreign policy is spectacular. I don't know if you've noticed. I'm like, that's the problem. Like, I didn't vote for Ben Shapiro's foreign policy. I don't want Ben Shapiro's foreign policy. That's where I draw the line is pretty much on foreign policy. I don't much care what you do domestically. Just don't get me involved in all these wars. And to the extent you're doing it, I'm, I'm not on board. And it's not I don't want Trump to fail because that means the United States fails. I don't want Trump to fail. I want Trump to be wildly successful, but I want him to be wildly successful on the principles he ran on three consecutive elections. And he's not doing that.

[Candace Owens]

No, you look at the other option, and that's why I've sort of removed myself from the false dialectic. Like, I'm totally done with this left versus right. It's. They benefit from that. It's people that, in my honest Catholic opinion, they are Satanists that we are fighting, and they want everything. They want everything in the world. They want to enslave us, and they're against mankind. That's. That's truly what's happening. And so if you are still having those arguments, those molecular arguments about left versus right, then you've not yet seen the big picture, and I refuse to play a part of it. I mean, this, like, ridiculous Tim Pool meltdown of. What about the midterms? What about the midterms? I'm just like, screw you and your midterms, too, buddy. Okay? You're not gonna get me to go back to this, like, opinion of, oh, I've got to fight the person on the left or the right. Hence us speaking about these shootings where I'm just going, okay. Have we all been blinded by the media making us think that we have to, you know, exorcise one or the other side in order for us to have unity when the reality is it's the power vacuum?

[Baron Coleman]

Well. And if you want me to vote in the midterms, I've said this very clearly on my show. You give me a Christian who pledges to be. To place America's priorities first. You don't give me both of those. I'm not voting for you. I'm done voting for people who are not Christian or who are anti Christian. And I'm done voting for people who are placing any interest outside the United States over the United States interest, period. End of story. You want to win in 2026 or 2028? Give me somebody like that.

[Candace Owens]

And for me, I'm making the offer. You come, you go to the podium, and you tell us exactly why you killed Charlie Kirk.

[Baron Coleman]

Yeah.

[Candace Owens]

That's what you're going to do. You're going to confess. Yeah. This is. You are going to confess what you did. Stop playing us for fools. I mean, to me, there's nothing more important than the Charlie Kirk assassination because they wanted us to see it, and then they wanted to gaslight us and then say, there's something wrong with you for not moving on. There was something about that assassination. Even removing myself from the fact that I knew him personally, that was so. Na, na, na, boo, boo. We're so evil, you can't touch us. And then, hey, get back to work and. And, and vote for us.

[Baron Coleman]

Yep. It was ritualistic. It was ritualistic. I'm going to slaughter an innocent man in front of you, and you're gonna like it and you're gonna take it, and then you're gonna go back and support me again. And it is so devastating when that is shoved in your face. It's. I'm telling you, I just draw the line here. Give me a Christian. Give me someone who places America's priorities first or I'm not on board. I am no longer voting for this slot.

[Candace Owens]

Stop.

[Baron Coleman]

I'm done with it.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah. And I, I will tell you, the. The Protestant churches, the evangelical churches are definitely experience experiencing a mass exodus. That's what's being shown. I think that that is a good thing because I do believe that. And everyone's waking up to the fact that they were a part of this spell. There's this sort of operation mocking pastor. They went mask down. Where you suddenly realize, whoa, why are all these pastors saying the same thing? Who's actually sending them these notes? And is this a part of a psychological operation? We've got these pastors, like Rob McCoy, constantly trying to rehabilitate pedophiles. And then they'll look at you dead in the face and be like, like, hey, if you want to be saved, you just got to unfollow Tucker Carlson on Twitter. Excuse me, I'm sorry. Why are you every Sunday preaching about Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens while you're inviting all of this into the church? I mean, this is, this is deep. And it gets back to truly the 60s. I really do believe we lost America when we were fighting for it. Obviously leading up to it. I think the Bolsheviks had infiltrated, obviously, but we were fighting for America the day that they shot jfk. If I could go back and say this is the moment that we lost lbj, who was obviously a cns, just getting his guys in there. That's when they took over. In my opinion, they took over the military. And we've been dealing with things. And if I could put in another bookend, though. The Charlie Kirk assassination is when society woke up.

[Baron Coleman]

I think it's different. I had this question last night. Or was it last couple nights ago on my show, whenever it was we talked about what's different this time, what makes this a fundamentally different investigation than, you know, any of the other big things that have happened. 9, 11. We kind of accepted what they said. Yeah, okay, two big buildings fell at free fall speed. That's terrible. Let's go to war with Afghanistan. Everybody's like, yeah, let's do that. No, it took years before people stopped and said, does that really, on an engineering basis really make sense? You know, and Oklahoma City. And we just kept going over and over and over, but all of a sudden it was so in your face. It was so over the top. It was so satanic. It was such a slaughter of an innocent person that people are like, no, I'm not moving on from this one. We're going to solve this one. We're staying on this one. We're forcing you to stay on this one. And by staying on it, we've discovered money issues, potentially trafficking issues, all kinds of. Here's how these satanic organizations infiltrate do Gooder organizations. I think Charlie was a do Gooder. He wanted to make the world a better place. Well, they won't let you do that. They're not going to let you get to that place without infiltrating it, putting terrible people around you. Like you said, deviants, awful, satanically influenced people. And. And then he ended up the way.

[Candace Owens]

He did and then they try to turn him into a messianic figure and they're like, oh, what are you saying? He picked people around him that were not. Yeah, of course everybody can, can fall to that. That's so obvious. Are you kidding me? Like pick up a Bible. I mean Taylor's oldest time. That these things can happen. That you surround yourself with people that don't have your best interests as heart. That's not a conspiracy theory. It's common sense. And yes, I knew him personally. Charlie was naive about some things and people that I didn't trust in that organization I had just to prove it. I ranted at him and Tyler Boyer in a group chat. I actually read it backwards and I was like, gosh, I was really aggressive there saying that I did not trust Shaffer Security.

[Baron Coleman]

Oh wow.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah, I have it in writing. They could tell you this was my instincts have always about people. I was. Wasn't feeling it. I said I do not trust these people. And I screamed at him and Tyler Boyer in a chat about it. And now we're here and I'm looking into Shaffer Security and Dan Flood's origins and everything feels very wrong about it. And, and and truly feels like he was just being completely set up from a time that I think he was young, like going back to gate programs and, and where he was placed. And I called his X Men school, which is now called Quest Academy. And now I. It. It was previously called something else when Charlie went there. But there is an angle here where I think the military is actually seeking out gifted children and putting them through testing and seeing if they can turn them into state weapons. And if they are brilliant, then they decide, hey, I actually don't want to serve the deep state. Some bad things can happen to those.

[Baron Coleman]

It's not. It's a little unique in America that we don't track people. I mean, we say we don't track people, that we let people sort of choose their own destiny. I was at a wedding recently, and I was talking to a girl sitting next to me. She was from Germany, and she was saying, you know, in Germany, BY like age 6 or 8, they kind of tell you where you're going in life, and you follow that track. If you don't test certain, certain levels, you're. You're stuck on this track, and this is as high as you can go in life, and, and you test higher, you're on this track, and this is as high as you can go in life. So it's a little unusual that on its surface, the United States claims not to do that. It's not surprising that you're starting to uncover that maybe they do actually do this in certain limited circumstances with certain really high IQ special people.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah, I think that was totally the circumstance. And we're going to find out more about that. I do want to say something else that just struck me as odd, and I don't mean to make people go crazy about this, but when they had Amfest and Erica came out, they played audio of Charlie saying that he wanted Erica to take over for him. And I was curious about that, because if you have the audio, shouldn't you have the video? Am I. Am I crazy for thinking, should you have the video?

[Baron Coleman]

Well, in an AI world, can we trust that, that even if you had the video? Because it is so contradictory to everything he said. Every time they're in a room together, every podcast, when it comes up to a woman working outside the home with young kids, his basic opinion is, at all costs, please don't do it if you don't have to.

[Candace Owens]

And. But here's what's interesting is that their story has been that if anything ever happened to him, he wanted Erica to take over and Let me tell you why that suddenly strikes me as odd. Because in that scenario, your first instinct is who's gonna to look after the kids. So you're saying that what he wanted was for, if anything happens to me, I want my kids to essentially become orphans. Because I know, I mean, Charlie knew what it took to run an organization of that size. He was constantly on the road. We saw that. Just when he did, when I put together his calendar of everywhere he was. That he was constantly. It's non stop hours, non stop flying all over the nation. So he's like, if anything happens to me, I want my children to have not just one parent lost, but two parents lost and to essentially be raised by nannies. I'll tell you when it really struck me as odd, and I've never revealed this before, I didn't think one way or the other about this statement about Erica taking over. I've thought, and I still do believe that at some point in the past he would have said, oh, she's super smart. And he used to say, oh, she's really smart, whatever. Great comments about her. But it struck me as odd because when I sat down with Erica, I had said nothing on my show about that statement. And they had prepared a response to a question that I wasn't asking, Meaning that they had a physical printout of a transcript. And they said, well, this is the transcript of when Charlie said, here's what he said about wanting Erica to take over. And I sort of waved away. I was like, this isn't something that I brought up on my show. I don't even. This. I don't need proof of something that I. A claim that I haven't made. And then suddenly I went, wait a second. That's kind of weird that you're bringing proof for a claim that I didn't make. Which means it's on your mind, not my mind. And so then I asked a little bit more about it and I said, well, when did he say this? And they said, in August. That's kind of interesting.

[Baron Coleman]

Wow.

[Candace Owens]

And I said, was this at Bill Ackman's house? And they said, no, it was at a donor retreat in Aspen. So I hunt down this donor retreat in Aspen and figured when it happened, and I have it on my timeline somewhere, I'll give it up. But this donor treatment Aspen happens and I figure out who's at this donor retreat in Aspen and I reach out and then they allege that this was a question that somebody had asked and said, what happens if you die? Which is Kind of a weird question. A lot of donor events, nobody's like, hey, what happens when you die? It's pretty, you know, it's a pretty morbid thought. And then you die a month later. And I asked this person to just, hey, do you remember this? This happening? Person said, no. We talked to another person that was at this Aspen event and I said, hey, you know, this is allegedly the event where this question was asked. And I'm now able to figure out also who the donor was that asked. By the way, I'll have that information for you guys soon, but I'd like to reach out to that donor. Do you remember Charlie saying that if anything happens to me, I want Erica to take over? I got another, no, very small group, exclusive group of donors in Aspen in August, and thus far, two do not remember Charlie saying that if you're 31.

[Baron Coleman]

Years old and someone asks you what's going to happen when you die, those people intend to harm you. I, I, I, I, I cannot look at that innocently.

[Candace Owens]

To the contrary, what one person remembers, which sounds much more sensible, was that during Charlie's conversation, he's like saying how Turning Point's gonna grow. And they're asking, how are you gonna do all of this? Like, you're one person and. Cause he was kind of building a vision, which is what you do at these, like, donor events. It's like, here's where we are, here's what we want to do, here's what we're building out. That was Charlie. And apparently Charlie gave some total common sense answer of like, well, that's why I hire people under us to run this, this, this and that. Nobody remembers. Thus far, I've only asked two people, him saying, if I die, I want Erica to take over for me.

[Baron Coleman]

I, I, it would have been so out of character because again, every public statement he's ever made, that has not been his position, every single public statement, you go look at his personal podcast, you go look at interviews he sat in on. On other people's podcasts or radio shows, they talk all the time about, you know, a woman working outside the home. He's like, hey, you know, when they have young kids, it's just probably not the best idea, not the right time to do it, raise your kids. It would be so out of character for him to say, yeah, I actually want her to take over my 300 day a year travel schedule.

[Candace Owens]

And he's also, at that time, don't forget being massively pressured by donors. Right, he's being pressured and yelled at by donors. He's got, you know, the Bill Ackman thing happened. Seth Dillon's pressuring him. He's getting people that are saying they're taking millions away from him. And his perspective was, I want my wife to endure this while my children are left absent with no parents. I, I'm not saying it's not possible. I'm saying thus far, trying to confirm the story, I can't. And it's bothering me because the obvious thing is they should release the video. Because if you're not, what are you, we just, you hooked him up for audio. You're just like, oh, we're just hooking you up for, for audio for the speech. It's like if you got audio, you've got visual. And I'm told that there was audio and visual at that event in the Hamptons.

[Baron Coleman]

And well, I'll say this, I don't believe audio and visual anymore. I, I, I need someone in the room to confirm it happened. I, I just, the AI revolution. I, I, I, I see videos of me. People put up and say, oh, you know, I'm like, I didn't say that. That's not me. You know, and it's, it's usually humorous, it's funny. But somebody would look at that and say, oh, Baron Coleman said this. I'm like, no, I, I actually never said that.

[Candace Owens]

I'm going to keep going through people at this event and seeing if someone will confirm that on record. But I do, I do think it would be incumbent upon them to release it. It could have happened.

[Baron Coleman]

Was it raised in New York at the Hamptons?

[Candace Owens]

It was, I was told by Erica it was Aspen.

[Baron Coleman]

Okay.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah.

[Baron Coleman]

See, I was under the impression the what happens when you die question was out of the Hamptons.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah. Because people knew it was August and so they're the only. Nobody actually knew that there was a stoner event that happened in Aspen in the. And I can actually tell you the dates of it if you.

[Baron Coleman]

That actually makes a lot of sense because you hear, hey, a bunch of donors.

[Candace Owens]

What's that guy? What, August 15 to 17. So less than, less than a month before he died.

[Baron Coleman]

I mean, three weeks.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah.

[Baron Coleman]

If I'm the FBI, I want to know who asked him what would happen when he dies. Because again, you don't ask healthy 31 year olds what's going to happen when they die. That's a weird question to ask a 31 year old. 31 year olds don't drop dead. They just don't.

[Candace Owens]

And where he's doing, you Know, military training with Mikey. If anything happens, just go, walk, run. They were doing rehearsals. They were, like, doing rehearsals. They were running drills.

[Baron Coleman]

And you know what?

[Candace Owens]

It was like, 1, 2, 3, go, go. And Mikey was, like, just practicing, you know, Totally. This is what. This is exactly. It just gets longer and longer. There should just be a book called Everything that Charlie definitely for sure wanted and asked for.

[Baron Coleman]

Yeah.

[Candace Owens]

In the event of this. This tragic. Never happened before assassination. And it is. I do not like the fact that we are. We are being told that we have to believe. You know, first they were going to say I was a liar. Then they had to confirm that it was true that Charlie messaged not only Andrew Cohen, but Dan Flood, the. And said that he was worried he was gonna be assassinated. But shouldn't he have also? Like, would he have not confided that to his wife? Like, she didn't know she had his phone. Okay, let's say that's true. Maybe you don't want your wife to carry that burden, that you have those fears, and you would rather prefer to say that to security and pr. But even if that is true, you're telling me that after his assassination, Andrew Colba didn't tell Erica.

[Baron Coleman]

Right. Well, and there's so many weird things about that.

[Candace Owens]

Dan Flood didn't tell her, hey, right, this has happened. He just texted me. She heard that for the first time when I said it.

[Baron Coleman]

Right. Well, she also had custody, the necklace that he never took off and that she was crazy to try to find immediately in the aftermath. There's so many weird things about erica and the 24 to 48 hours leading up to it and the 24 to 48 hours immediately after it that, you know, somebody asked me yesterday, if you could. If you could answer one question about the assassination, what would it be? And my. My answer was, what. What did Erica know? Like, did she know he was going to die the next day? Because I think the answer to that question is yes, in my opinion.

[Candace Owens]

I think the answer is yes. Number one question now that I have. I wouldn't say number one, but it's up there is that story about the Jezebel person wrote the article, had never written an article. And we're told, like, that Charlie was so worried and the priests came over. This is what was told to Megyn Kelly, I believe. Megyn Kelly, she's pretty straight shooter. And that the priest came over to pray 48 hours before to pray about this Jezebel article. That's new to me because the Charlie that I know, I mean, the amount of articles and witches and things that people were writing at all times had a pretty good sense of humor about the left writing articles and the priest coming over to pray about an article is now interesting to me. I'm going, okay, that's, that's, that's very interesting. And, and I'll tell you the biggest thing which I, which I haven't shared, but I'm gonna do it before we go to sponsors. Probably shouldn't, but.

[Baron Coleman]

Oh, come on.

[Candace Owens]

I'm feeling, I'm feeling, I'm feeling a little punchy today because they're just, they're just getting me mad now. Right? They're just getting me mad with all these attacks, non stop attack me of tongue of truth.

[Baron Coleman]

Hey, we like when they make you mad because we learn more.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah. But the number one thing that I think about this is actually number one, Andrew Colvett. Because I had no idea that he would be engaged in this coverup and lying after Charlie's assassination. And I obviously was like openly crying on the phone with him in the aftermath. And he painted a vivid picture for me in that immediate 48 hours. We were on the phone and he told me about how when he flew, while he was on the plane flying, he had so much anxiety and it was pent up because, like, you know, everyone was messaging him while he's on the plane and, you know, he doesn't know whether or not, you know, Charlie was okay or whatever. And then he said that anxiety, he said, as soon as the plane landed, I deep got off of the plane and ran into Erica's arms on the tarmac and boohoo, cried. He said like, basically like, you know, like fell into her arms and cried because he was so, had so much anxiety. Their planes landed an hour apart.

[Baron Coleman]

Hmm.

[Candace Owens]

So I just thought it was interesting that she waited to go to the hospital because I, I, I mean, I would, I'm, who could say? I, I actually can, I think we can say what we would do. We'd probably go right to the hospital. And you know, she did tell me that she found out Charlie was dead before they took off in Arizona. And I, I think about that a lot. Like, why wait an hour on the tarmac? And then despite waiting for him to land, they then went into different entries into the hospital. Erica went through the back and Andrew went through the front. So there's a lot there that doesn't make sense to me. But the hour waiting on the tarmac bothers me because you are with other people. You should get to the Hospital as fast as possible. And why are we waiting for Andrew Colvet?

[Baron Coleman]

I, I, I've really got to sit with that. That's, that's such. I need it.

[Candace Owens]

I've been sitting with it for, for three months and this does feel like therapy that I finally got this all.

[Baron Coleman]

I mean, that, that sounds four months. I need to go back and pull those plane records.

[Candace Owens]

I have them.

[Baron Coleman]

Yeah. And just look at the exact time. You can also look on the map.

[Candace Owens]

Tyler can probably pull it up. We have a whole document on the plane records.

[Baron Coleman]

And I don't know if you have flight radar.

[Candace Owens]

I was going insane about the plane.

[Baron Coleman]

You can see where the plane actually taxied to after landing, whether it went back to the, the FBO in the back or whether it was more in the public.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah, public. His, his. He landed a lot later. That's, that is more than an hour if I'm being, if I'm, if I'm remembering correctly. So that's something that I need to. While we try to pull that up, we will throw it to sponsors. All right. Maybe you owe back taxes or you've not filed taxes in years. Well, now is the perfect time to resolve your tax matters. With the national conversation around abolishing the income tax system, the IRS is now fighting back and proving that they are here to stay. By becoming more aggressive than they've ever been, they're actually sending out more collection notices, filing more tax liens, and collecting billions more than in recent years. The IRS can take your wages, bank accounts, security, retirement, and even your home if you owe or you have not yet filed. It's not a question if they're going to act, but rather when. Right now, Tax Network USA is offering a completely free IRS research and discovery call to show you exactly where you stand. Their powerful programs and strategies can save you thousands or even eliminate your debt entirely if you qualify. Do not make a serious mistake by representing yourself or calling the IRS on your own. Waiving your rights can cost you even more money. They are not on your side. Get protected the right way with Tax Network USA and start the process of settling your tax matters once and for all. Call 1-800-958-1000 or visit tnusa.com candace for your free discovery call with Tax Network USA. Again, that's T N usa.com candace. Let's also talk about something most of us have never even heard of, but we probably should have. It's called C15, which is a powerful essential fatty acid that research shows many people are deficient in that's why I've been taking a science backed supplement designed to help optimize your C15 levels. It's called fatty 15. Fatty 15 repairs age related damage to cells, protects them from future breakdown and activates pathways in the body that help regulate our sleep, our cognitive health and natural repair mechanisms. Fatty 15 has three times more cellular benefits than omega 3 or fish oil. It comes in a reusable glass bamboo jar and refills are shipped right to your door. We are constantly being told to avoid fats, but it turns out some fats are in fact essential and C15 is one of them. Fatty15 is on a mission to optimize your C15 levels to help support your long term health and wellness, especially as you age. You can get an additional 15 off their 90 day subscription starter kit by going to fatty15.comcandace candace and using code candice at checkout. Again, that's fatty15.com candace and use promo code Candice at checkout. Also remind you guys about American Financing because you might be worried about those upcoming credit card bills, especially after the holidays. Well, if you're a homeowner, there is no better time than now to call American Financing and to wipe out that debt, eliminate the stress and set yourself up for a strong 2026. The Fed dropped rates for the fourth time in December. American Financing can help you access that equity in your home at an interest rate in the low fives. That is a much lower rate than the average 20% or more credit card rates. American Financing is saving their customers an average of $800 a month. That's like a $10,000 per year raise. There are no upfront fees and no obligation to see how much you could be saving. And they are closing some in as fast as 10 days and even delaying two mortgage payments. So call 800-795-1210. Again, that's 800-79512 or visit American financing.net Owens American financing.net Owens American financing America's home for home loans. Bit of a bomb drop there.

[Baron Coleman]

Yeah, a little bit.

[Candace Owens]

I, it's. I had to let it out. I don't know. You know, I blame Dave Rubin. He pissed me off today. I'm just tired of all of their attacks from me telling the truth. It's so unfair in life to be a good person, right? And to be a forthright person and to be an honest person and just to be attacked all the time. Nonstop with news stories being concocted out of thin air like light conversations. Oh, it's A rant. It's just, it's gets to a point where you're going, okay, you guys are terrible human beings. And we now need to figure out why. Anyways, getting into these, this plane situation, and I haven't looked at this particular one in a while, but these are our general planes that came in to Provo. That first one came in at 8:00am I, I was able to figure out this is the one that came in at 8am, goes to Provo, then it flies straight to Santa Barbara landing into Santa Barbara. This is all local time, by the way. At 11:12am and then it goes into Scottsdale. I was able to determine that that's the Y refi guy. So. Which could make sense. That's what I was told. I should say. I shouldn't say I was able to turn. I say that's what I was told. Okay, I feel like that's better. The N1, let's go to that third one, N102DZ1 that we're seeing is that's Erica's plane. Obviously that's the big plane that then scrambled, which makes sense, you would scramble. And they got that. And we know that there's a priest on there. Erica Kirk is on there, Tyler Boyer's on there, Elizabeth McCoy is on there. And then leaving at 2:19pm so yeah, it's an hour and five minutes. And arriving into Provo at 4:36pm so those two planes you can see right there. I'm told that Andrew was on that plane. And it's a, it created a bit of a discrepancy for me. Only because in the way that Andrew told me the story about the anxiety pent up and no one nowhere to go, I got the impression that he flew alone. And then I was told that he actually flew with his wife. And I thought, okay, that's interesting. Cause he, he made it sound like he was alone. That was the whole point. Like he had no nothing, he had no nothing to do, nowhere to go with this anxiety and everyone texting him. And that's why when he got off the plane and he saw Erica, he boohoo cried and hell and whatever. And the reason why I think that there's something wrong with the story is because when I said this, I brought this up to Erica and Justin strife. I said, you know, I'd like to know who was on these planes. And I said, because I was trying to figure out in my head, I didn't tell them about that. Andrew told me about the hug. I held that Back. And I said, did Andrew fly with his wife or not? Because he told me a story about how he had pent up anxiety. And he. I'm just trying to figure out if he flew with his wife, because why did he have all this pent up anxiety if his wife's on the plane or did he just not like acknowledge his wife or something? And Erica sat quietly like she didn't know the answer to whether or not flew with his wife. But if Andrew's story is he got off of the plane and boo hoo cried, surely she would have seen his wife. And so Justin Strife then said to me, I'll get back to you and I'll find out if Andrew flew with his wife. And he did. He got back to me and said, yes, Andrew flew with his wife. Okay, why doesn't Erica. Why couldn't. Why did anybody have to get back to me? Erica? And it was something that bothered me. I was like, well, Erica should have been able to say, yeah, he flew with his wife. And they both got off of the plane. Cause I was waiting for them on the tarmac. So we are constantly in this bind between Andrew's stories and Erica's stories. And if I'm being honest, I think Andrew has been telling what he's supposed to be telling the public because that's what a spokesperson does. And I was also holding back out of wanting to believe that this was just a high stress situation and people needed time to adjust. But there were a lot of little lies like that, which I. These are not little lies.

[Baron Coleman]

That's huge.

[Candace Owens]

These are big lies. You should have told me that his wife got off the plane. I don't know if his wife was on the plane. I don't know where Andrew was or which plane he was really on. But there had the story with the surgeon, as I revealed, and Andrew tweeting that. And Erica told me to my face that Andrew went rogue. And I never trusted that because of hipaa. Like you can say Andrew went rogue, but you're not gonna convince me. A seasoned surgeon who trained in an Air Force base went rogue, right? And just opened up to a PR agent during the highest profile political assassination. And when my source told me that Erica was on the phone and that the quotation came from Erica, and you know, I felt bad because they said it was like she was like, oh, maybe he had a steel neck. You know, wife may be trying to make sense sort of a thing, but it's a weird thing to lie to me about to my face, right? That that story that the person close to the surgeon told me, that makes sense. Like the wife. And they did this because they panicked about my episode. And then they call the surgeon and it's like, well, why is there no. Why didn't it go through? And the surgeon said, I don't know why. I mean, I can't. I don't. If you're telling me it was a 36, I don't know why it didn't go through.

[Baron Coleman]

Yeah. It is becoming increasingly obvious that whether or not this is the truth, it's becoming increasingly obvious people are not believing he was shot anymore or not shot with a 30 out six from the losey Center. The public isn't buying it. They're just not buying it. And the more the public belief in that official narrative erodes, the more panicked they're getting, because I think the answer is going to point back to who actually did it. And it's just terrifying to them. So we stay on the case and we keep applying pressure and they keep making mistakes. And as they do, we will continue to pick up those mistakes and evaluate them and let people know what those mistakes mean.

[Candace Owens]

Yep. All right, I'm going to shift gears here and get to some of our comments and what people are thinking. I definitely have said a lot today. This is what happens when you guys just wake up and choose violence and lie about me. And I have been so good to all of you, everybody across the board. Turning Point, USA Daily Wire. Dave Rubin, Prager University. I think I accidentally X' ed out of our doc, so let me just reopen that on. We're on 293 here. Okay, we have our top comment from yesterday. We were speaking about the American Cancer Society, which seems the person who gave me that tip about Dan Flood and said that he ran with these people, said that money is being funneled, that it's just a money laundering operation to pay off dirty cops through the Cattleman's Ball. Cattle Barons Ball, if you will. And they claim that that money is going to the American Cancer Society. Maybe someone should investigate that. And this top comment says pretty much all of the fundraising for the American Cancer Society is bogus. They are not looking for a cure. Could be something there. These charities are starting to look a little funky. I will say that allegedly Jay Z writes, when you crack this Candace, it's going to be so sweet. Sad, but also sweet. Praying for your safety every day. Sending love from Australia. I hope that you will be allowed to visit us one day. I hope so as well. Tracy writes this Is my version of a Super Bowl. Been waiting for this collaboration. God bless you both. We can do this all the time. We actually live near each other. Yeah. Which is amazing. It's just gonna be me, you, and Theo von.

[Baron Coleman]

Yeah. Folks were like, did you fly in? I'm like, no, I drove over.

[Candace Owens]

It's just amazing.

[Baron Coleman]

About 20 minutes.

[Candace Owens]

Just all of us just gonna be hanging out, broing out over here in Nashville, Tennessee. Monica writes, I hope you both know that every time the truth teams up, the lights turn up on the devil. Turn up the lights to max power. Christ is king. Totally agree with that. And it does feel. It does feel like we're winning. It's. It's dangerous. And. But the way these demons are squealing and everyone just gets exposed. I mean, as a Dave Rubin say, it's like, okay, okay. How about some light on you, bro? And the stuff that you've been up to. Because I'm not up to anything. This person writes. I am not Joe. Best duo ever. Keep the clips running, Candace, and make sure you spell Baron with one R. Love you both. Okay, so if you guys are not in on this inside joke, it is exceptional. The only way to describe it is. Is Baron Coleman crashed out. He was speaking to a commenter about Mitch Snow. This is when they were running Operation Debunk Mitch. And basically being like, you can't even prod the narrative on Fort Wachuca because Mitch's baby mama from 20 years ago has something to say. And so they were trying to put pressure on Baron to stop speaking about it. And this person on his show, he just came in and was like, how dare you? How dare you speak about Mitch when we now know that he's up to no good 20 years ago. And Baron fully loses his cool and just goes on about Joe and what just makes for exceptional YouTube content. Let's just watch Baron Colden crash out on Joe. It's fantastic.

[Joe]

Get the hell out of here.

[Baron Coleman]

Leave John. Joe, whatever. Get out of here. Go home.

[Joe]

Here's the problem with people like you, Joe. I haven't defended a damn thing. The base, Joe. You are. You are everything that's wrong with this country, Joe. Everything's wrong with it can be summed up in that sentence right there. I'm not defending anybody. You're not smart enough to watch this show. You're not smart enough to watch this show, Joe. I don't want stupid people in the audience.

[Candace Owens]

So if you're that stupid outfit, so good.

[Joe]

What I'm saying is, Joe, what I'm saying is, Joe, it's possible you can be a bad guy and also identify Brian Harpo. Those two things are possible. Joe, get out of here. I felt this is the sum total of everything that's wrong with you guys.

[Candace Owens]

That's just so good. And then you proceed to pull up. I thought we had it. Then he pulls up up a class that Joe can take to learn about logic and reasoning and how A doesn't equal B and how B doesn't equal C. And then you find a YouTube channel, classes for free for her at Stanford. It is. Oh, please continue this part. It's. It's so good. I love the Joe crash out. It was so great.

[Joe]

Problem with people like you. This is the problem with people like you.

[Candace Owens]

This.

[Baron Coleman]

This is why you're get past.

[Joe]

I've never said a thing.

[Baron Coleman]

That's offended. Here you go.

[Joe]

But Candace just went through all the steps she took to verify parts of his story. In other words, was he at the base? Well, she verified he was. She had the police report. His son later confirmed the police report was accurate. What about the building he said he used? Was that really the building they used? She called someone the base and they said, yeah, yeah, in fact, they do use that building and they black out the windows. And it's set up a sort of a secure facility. Oh, what about this? What about every single step of the way she's able to verify, Joe, what's happening that we didn't take that and say, oh, well, it was verified he was at the base.

[Candace Owens]

That's dumb.

[Joe]

That's for stupid people. That's for low IQ people. We don't have that here. We don't allow that in our audience. So you have to go, that's not. That's not logic, Joe. That's not how logic works. In fact, if you want to step up your game in society and be a more productive member of society, you can subscribe to any number of logic programs. You can sign up and say, I'd like to take logic classes.

[Baron Coleman]

I'm stupid.

[Joe]

You can do that, Joe. You are more than welcome to do that. You can go, Joe, and say, I'm sorry I am so low iq. I'm so stupid I'm unable to contribute in an adult conversation online. You think there's a logic class? That's a lot of college I could take. Maybe There are three classes for philosophy class, how to think. That'll teach me that. If I'm defending somebody on topic A, that doesn't mean I'm defending them on topic B, you have a class like that that I could take? Yo, I bet they do. And if they don't, I bet you can find one online. In fact, let's look for. I could probably look for one for you, Joe. I could probably find a nice introductory Introduction to Logic class that you can take. Joe. Oh, my goodness, Joe, this is. This is the class for you.

[Baron Coleman]

You.

[Joe]

You have no idea what you just walked into.

[Baron Coleman]

Look at this.

[Joe]

You can buy this book right here. Master books, homeschool curriculum, Introduction to Logic. It's all curriculum. You can get Introduction to Logic by Irving M. Copple. It's a McMillan Harcourt book. They have it for $7.09, Joe. For under $10, you cannot be stupid. You can learn.

[Candace Owens]

You could not be stupid.

[Joe]

Almost $30. That might be above. Look, Stanford University.

[Baron Coleman]

Stanford University.

[Joe]

That's a respectable university. They have it.

[Candace Owens]

It's free.

[Joe]

Joe. Joe, there's no reason for you to be like this. Joe, this is free. This is absolutely free. You don't have to pay for it. I bet there's YouTube videos. We could probably find a YouTube channel video, the whole introduction to logic.

[Baron Coleman]

YouTube.

[Joe]

I bet they have one. You can learn to not be like you are Joe. Unbelievable.

[Baron Coleman]

Joe.

[Candace Owens]

That is my favorite sentence. You can learn to not be like you are Joe.

[Baron Coleman]

That's right.

[Candace Owens]

That is just that Crash out was the greatest thing on YouTube. I was like, you know what? Thank you. Yes. This is speaking to my soul. Everyone's attacking us. No one is attacking the substance of the debate. No one is saying, oh, was he at fort watching? They just were like, suddenly turning into Jerry Springer from 20 years ago and being like, how dare you discuss what he you as intel and that. I just. I was. Tears were in my eyes, laughing. Hilarious. So that is the inside joke of don't be a Joe. And Joe got. Joe got what she paid for. She learned a lot, I think watching that. I don't think she. I'm. Sadly, I don't believe that she watches your channel anymore. Well, but if she comes back from class. If she comes back from class, she probably can.

[Baron Coleman]

It's a high IQ outfit. Joe, if you. You gotta. You gotta step up your game if you're gonna join us.

[Candace Owens]

Poor Joe Slim writes, two of the most courageous people in media. Curious Joel writes, the Baronites are so proud of you, sir, and especially your loyal mod crew. In honor of this moment, I have changed my YouTube profile pic to an image of you as bad cop and Candace as good cop interrogating Brian Harpole. Yeah, you don't Want this guy, interrogating him. You don't have to be like the way you are, Brian Harpole. You know. You know what? We can just take a class, make a corrupt cops. You don't have to be who you are, Brian Harpole. Yeah. We actually need you.

[Baron Coleman]

And Terry, I always tell you, see, you come on before I do and you do such a polite job. You're well dressed, you're well spoken. And I come in and just rant in a hoodie and I'm like, she's the. The good cop, I'm the bad cop.

[Candace Owens]

I love that I'm always trying to be nice, but sometimes I'm just so frustrated. And today was one of the days where I was just. Because you just. You're so nice to these people and you do everything the right way and it's. Why are bad people allowed to just exist?

[Baron Coleman]

Yeah.

[Candace Owens]

Why are they just allowed to exist and just keep existing? I. I don't understand it. Yeah. When the rest of people are just trying to be honest and forthright and keep a roof over their heads and do right by their families, apologize when they're wrong.

[Baron Coleman]

Right.

[Candace Owens]

They can't do that either. Either. It doesn't exist in them. So don't be a Joe. Don't be a Joe is what Blanton has just written. Thank you guys so much. And I just. This is. This is my version of super bowl, which I already brought this one, making sure I didn't get this. Cody writes, people are waking up and noticing the fed slop. The mommy slews are sleuthing. Candace is going. Max Baron is spitting truth. God is on our side. We are in a spiritual war of good versus evil. Everything done in the dark will be brought to light. Baron. I agree with that assessment. I also want to ask. Ask you where people can go to support you. You are now doing this. You're committing to this thing. We're doing this full time. Your channel is fantastic. He has a whole different style and how he's doing his YouTube videos. I love it. He does these great monologues and we need to get him director as he pulls up his clips. Even though I like it. I love the beginning of a business. I. I like the humble. Like doing everything by yourself. It's fantastic. What is your channel handle?

[Baron Coleman]

You can search my name Baron Coleman. Baron with one R. There it is right there. Real Baron podcast is the island is the. Is the YouTube handle. But Baron Coleman. You can find me on Twitter. You can find me on Rumble under Baron Coleman. And we'll be expanding as we go. But yeah, as Candace mentioned, I. I've retired from my other job and I'm doing this full time now, so.

[Candace Owens]

Well, I'm gonna have to just. If I can make one request. Could you just pin the Joe crash out? I just think that deserves to be pinned. The channel people want to find that. They want to access it. They want to know what happened and whether or not she got a. And also an update. I think you should reach out to Joe. I really. I think we. We are all now and Joe or Joe.

[Baron Coleman]

Joe and the horse. Neither one of them deserved it.

[Candace Owens]

I have deep regret. I have deep regrets about the horse. I did never deserve that. There's nothing wrong with being a little horse. You know, you got to work just as hard, probably harder for being honest.

[Baron Coleman]

It's not their fault.

[Candace Owens]

No. All right, you guys. Well, this has been amazing. I'm. When he has is equipped, I'm going to go join him on his show. We'll definitely have him back. Whenever I gave you, we gave you guys a lot to process. I can't wait to see the emails. Email us at more tips@canis Owens.com if you want to support our independent work. We are not being funded by Zionists, obviously. We're just being attacked by them. You can head to canada. Com, you can sign up, you can buy a book. We have the hard copy bundle. We have tons of fun gear. They were upset about us saying that the world is ghetto, which is why I know I'm an alien. Because I can't. This is Earth can't be my planet. This is just all getting ghetto.

[Baron Coleman]

Yeah.

[Candace Owens]

And we have that gear for you guys, of course, our conspiracy girly gear, which is my favorite by a mug. And I'm sure you will soon be selling hoodies. Baron hoodies. You got to get some Baron Coleman hoodies going.

[Baron Coleman]

So it's a high IQ outfit.

[Candace Owens]

It's a high iq. You're not smart enough to watch this show, Joe. We'll see you tomorrow, Joe.