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All right, you guys, I feel like today is a probably a very great day to discuss homosexuality. Okay, so I grew up in the 90s and we were taught in school that some people are born gay. The older that I get and I speak to people who struggle with homosexuality or live out homosexual lives and actually the majority of them don't think they were born gay. They typically will correlate their homosexuality to some event that's happened in their past. Well, I'm want to discuss this theme today because virtually everything that I'm reading right now, whether it's Hollywood, Babylon, or getting into Sigmund Freud and the history of Jewish mysticism, there is some element of homosexuality. Is this a part of an occultic practice? Has homosexuality been pushed upon our society because it is disordering? Are we even allowed to say that on YouTube? Anyways, here to join me, Milo Yiannopoulos. Let me start from the beginning here.
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I want to say I've never struggled with homosexuality. I was brilliant at it from day one. But it did occur to me five years ago that hell was real and I don't want to go.
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So you say you're a reformed or a recovered homosexual.
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I say ex gay because it sounds hilarious.
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But the truth is, ex gay does sound good.
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It's good, isn't it? But the truth is, as far as I've got so far is celibacy. And the good thing about the male libido is the less you have, less you have, less you want. So I, I, I, I never thought that I would be happy kind of not really having sexual activity per se, but, but, but that's, it's fine. And now I'm into the messy, difficult and terrifying business of casting my eye over the female population. It's probably more terrifying for them than it is for me and, and figuring out if there's anybody there who, who, you know, could be quiet for long enough to be my wife. I'm just kidding, of course, but you know, it has nagged at Me and irritated me since I came back to my faith, the Catholic faith, that I wasn't able to participate in that last holy sacrament. You know, I was confirmed very late in life, actually. And it's a blessing to be able to not just remember it, but to have had a very fancy affair. I had the full Latin institute of Christ the King. They do a conditional baptism. You get exorcised three times on the way into the church. You have to get on your knees and you go in, you go in, you go in. So converts normally have this, but if you have a conditional baptism, make me do this as an adult. You have to read the Our Father and a few other things in Latin and then confirmations, as you know, over very quickly. But it was beautiful and it was lovely to be able to have that as an adult. And it was a very important part of my return to as close to faithful Catholic life as I can get, I think it's probably safe to say. But it was bugging me that I wasn't able to participate in something that everybody should. And there's something very magical and very special about not just marriage, but about children, because it is the time before you die, before you get to heaven, where you get to do something with our Lord. You get to. It's called co procreation. Two people make the baby biologically, but our Lord puts a soul in there. And so co procreation with God is, you know, you haven't just made love with your husband and you haven't. Or your wife. You haven't just, you haven't just created a baby, but you have participated in creation with God. Like, you know, like, that's huge. And, and it's, and it's, it's something that men can do even if they can't bear children, you know, they still get to do that. And, and I don't know, I just. 1. The, the truth is, it's not a very good answer, but it sort of crept up on me. The truth is, one day I woke up and I, I, I, I remember the short chain of thought I had. And it's what I said a moment ago, hell is real. And I don't want to go just like that.
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Yeah, it's very interesting because like I said, I grew up and you learn in school, if you go to the public school system, that some people are gay, some people are straight, and we need to normalize homosexuality. That's why we have terms like homophobic, which I don't know what that means. I guess it means you're scared of gay people.
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If you should be afraid of getting trafficked to a homosexual couple, homophobia is pretty rational if you're a vulnerable young foster kid or something.
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I think about this now and having read, and I asked you to read this book ahead of this discussion, but having read Hollywood Babylon and getting into Sigmund Freud and the sort of mystical tradition, it's really interesting because we of course have no memory of what happened on this earth before we were here. And I think I sort of assumed, obviously very wrongly, that there was always this kind of current of homosexuality in American culture. But it actually happened quite quickly and beyond quite quickly, it also happened quite intentionally. When you take a look at the establishment of Hollywood and them thinking through how to infect the Christian culture in.
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America, and that had happened a few different times in different ways elsewhere in history of Western civilization. But really prior to, I mean, prior to the Middle Ages, the homosexuality is sort of conceived of completely differently in the same way that races, you know, people living in 1100 would just have no idea what we were talking about. We were talking about somebody being white or not white in the American way. But the most recent explosion of this, funnily enough, happened in a way, it was kind of a test run for what the media later did with Trump. The first, I think full assault, full media assault, like what they did to Trump, like what they did on January 6th, was about conversion therapy in the 80s. And at that time, after maybe half a century of this stuff digging in after the 1910s, 20s and 30s in Hollywood, you know, half a century has passed and people still think homosexuals are dirty and sleazy and it's a moral choice and a moral lifestyle and we can't get over this hurdle. So what the campaigners came up with was, well, if it's. Hang on a second, if it's like being black or if it's like being a woman, then if somebody doesn't like it, they're a bigot. That works. So the Born this Way mythology was created to meet ideological objectives out of whole cloth. And it has never been even remotely demonstrated by science. The closest that anybody will truthfully get is, say, there appear to be some people who have some sort of predispositions, maybe, but it is vastly more to do with nurture than it is to do with nature. And in any case, even if you are one of those people that just pops out in sequence seeing Mariah Carey, it is possible to overcome what are disordered urges. They call it unwanted same sex attraction. As it is, I think it's the PC term that YouTubers arrive with. It is possible to, even though you may be suffering with what is a terrible curse, not do it.
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You know what's interesting, because I've had to reconsider that my childhood programming on this. But I love that you call it the born this way mythology. That's a great way of saying it, because that's what it was. You're born this way, and it's mythology.
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That's just propaganda. You know, it's political propaganda.
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It is political propaganda. And I think that the. The best example of that currently, because we're living through that, is this insistence that people are born trans. And you can see how they infect that propaganda. How it starts again thinking about Hollywood before thinking about Hollywood, how it starts with the television screens. And I am. Jazz was sort of the first time that they did this TLC show. I don't know if you're familiar with this. And it was. And they said, actually, jazz is trans. And it became this cultural phenomenon, got so much coverage, and. And nobody tells you the end point. And the struggles that Jazz is facing today. And they were able to get all of these kids. I grew up, nobody was trans. And now all of a sudden, you have all of these parents who are convinced that their children are born something other.
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You said it exactly right. People are always amazed at the horrors that parents can do to their own children, but they shouldn't be, because people do all kinds of terrible things to their kids. You know, whether it's everyday neglect or it's something more serious and more dramatic. The trans thing fixed a really big problem for the parents of gay kids or kids who show signs of those sorts of behaviors early on, which lots do, because the damage happens early. Fixed a big problem, which is, what did I do wrong? Because if you don't have a gay child that you messed up, but instead have a trans child who has a problem, who has a disease, who has a syndrome, who has something wrong with them, then you're off the hook. You're not bad parents. In fact, you're victims, because your kid has got this thing that nobody would ever want for their own child. And so you become brave and you become a hero, and your child becomes the crucible in which your social anxieties about having messed up as a parent and made your kid gay, which is what you did, are resolved and sanctified. Because, in fact, all of these kids who are seized and mutilated, if they were left alone, would be what we would call, you know, like gay men. And if, if, if without the, without the interference, without the injection into the process of these crazed trans campaigners, they would have a hope of a way out. But once you've started chopping things off, you create so many psychological and body image problems that you, you're no longer just dealing with the fact that you had an overbeari, an absent father and you didn't form sustainable platonic relationships with men as a young boy and something went wrong in your head or that you got raped and it happened because it could happen for any mixture or all of those reasons. I had a bit of all of them. Once you start chopping part of that person off, you cut them off from salvation, you cut them off from redemption, you cut them off from hope. Because if you can stop doing that stuff, at least you're still you and you have potential and possibility and you could do and be anything as long as you're still like, you know, in possession of your health, your faculties, your whatever. But once you start mutilating somebody because parents find it easier to believe their kids have a disease which is not their fault, than they messed up as parents and that they're gay. Even if you were able to somehow switch the trajectory of your desire from one sex to another, which does happen, it's not, you know, not everybody goes into conversion therapy, wins. It's, you know, best case scenario, you got like a 1 in 5 chance. It's not good odds, better than cancer, but it's not great. If you start cutting things off immediately, there's nowhere to come home to. And the problem that gay kids have is that they start early on being different people in front of different audiences. So they know that, for instance, they can't be their sassy selves in front of their grandparents, let's say, because they're, they're whatever. And, and this, this eventually unchecked, becomes a kind of fractured personality, which is the bedrock reason why gay people are, are, you know, always so dishonest and always so always up to stuff, you know, because they have these competing identities that are not reconciled and they are, are playing characters in front of different people who become almost like fully fledged people in their own right. And it is a kind of, I mean, it's, you know, layperson schizophrenia. It's not schizophrenia, but it's, it, it becomes disorientating and it becomes debilitating and, and, and you, you, what you're able to do if you have different people, you can lean into and lean out of like an actor. But in real life, you're able to do things to those characters because they're not you. And you might not know really where the you is, but, uh, the person, the. The. The character that is the sexual person, you can begin to degrade them. You can begin to humiliate them. You can get off on them suffering, even if it's you, because it's roleplay. And every. Because everything is in your life because you've. You're now simply replacing one facade with another constantly, everywhere you go. And so because your personality is kind of broken into bits, you can at any point see any of it as not being really you. And you can do awful things to it.
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It's so funny that you say that, because somebody that I know who used to live a homosexual lifestyle and doesn't anymore. I was opening up to him about this gay guy that we had hired a while ago who very quickly was lying to us and stealing from us. And he was fantastic at his job. We were so good to him. And the question that he asked me, he said, you know, was there something about it? He said, a lot of gay men are sociopaths because they have to lie so much about who they are and what they're doing, like, and it shapes their brain early on. And then later on in life, it becomes very easy when you're lying. You don't even feel like you're lying because you've nurtured this ability to be dishonest for so long.
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I wouldn't say that it. Because they have to lie about who they are because there's a little. There's something hidden in there. There's a little something embedded in there that suggests that maybe it's homophobia that makes them damaged or miserable. And that's not what's going on. What they're doing, what people with these disordered desires are doing, knowing that it is wrong and that is not normal. You know, that you're supposed to be into girls. I had relationships with girls. I just wasn't really feeling it, you know. But you feel drawn to this other thing, and you know that it's wrong. And it's as much wanting to distance yourself from the moral responsibility and culpability of doing it as it is presenting different faces as well that become the reason why gays have this sort of fractured personality. But it's not sociopathy. They feel things intensely. That hysteria is not the shallow hysteria of. Of a. Of a sociopathic mom who's going to drown her kid. It's Different. They're in pain, they're hurting, and when they cry, it's real. But they're bouncing between different personalities and different identities. And your man there, it was like, from his perspective, it's like somebody else was doing that. And he's responsible and he did do it, and he must have the consequences because it will help him to reintegrate. And they now call conversion therapy reintegrative therapy. For reasons that you will immediately understand having listened to you talk. They need that impetus. So they need to get caught, you know, but it. But they are in pain, acting out. And very often you find with gays, they will do this stuff almost to get caught because they want somebody to notice that everything's not all right. And when the. When the alphabetized CD collection, perfect employee who's kind of, you know, like, yes, I'll take care of that for you, needs you to know that they're in pain, they'll do something like steal or they'll do something like, you know, say or. Or do something despicable, whatever. They're acting out because they want to be noticed. It's a cry for help.
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So it's interesting now, when I consider it now, now that I was baptized Catholic and reexamining why it is that we learned that it is this immutable characteristic. It's like being black. It's like being woman. This person is just gay. And how it doesn't allow people to get better, it would be absurd. Giving a totally different example, if someone is an alcoholic, if we said, oh, you were, you were. That's who you always were. Deep down, you were always an alcoholic. So just keep drinking, it's totally fine. Yes. If you go to rehab, you don't have a 100% chance of getting sober. If you are taking meth, you don't have a 100% chance of getting sober. But knowing and saying to a society that this is an unhealth something that you are doing, it forecloses.
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Exactly. You have immediately intuited exactly the key thing about this. You got it.
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They don't want people.
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You got it right away. If you tell somebody that that's what they are more even than who they are, you're robbing them of the ability to make changes.
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Yeah. Like you're an alcoholic because it's totally a genetic trait and your dad was an alcoholic and now you're an alcoholic and it's not your fault.
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There's nothing you can do about it. I mean, in a way, you should probably just drink and we'll deal with the consequences later. Robbing that person may be of the ability to get sober and to have a, have a family, to stop beating their wife or to get their kids back or something.
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That's the main thing. That's why I think it's such an important discussion to reopen.
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It's funny, it's because you've got kids. You immediately understood, you immediately understood what the problem was. Nobody gets it when I say, like, what's the problem with telling somebody that? It's what they're on. I don't know that you immediately got it because you have children now. But yeah, that's what it is. All of the pathways to not. I mean, you said pathways of salvation. I used that word metaphorically earlier, but I mean it literally too. It's barring your way to heaven.
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Right.
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And that's what's so wicked about it.
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Right. And so you see people who have normalized this and now you have homosexual families, which in my opinion, that is oxymoronic in, in general because you're depriving children.
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It's a mockery.
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Well, what's also interesting about it though is like, you know, a lot of people get into these situations and that's why it's been fascinating for me to know people who identify as homosexual. And all of them, the one thing that is agreed upon them is that they, they actually don't think they were born this way. One of them has mommy issues, says, okay, my mother was bipolar and she drove both me and my brother to never want to be around women again. And now we're both choosing to be gay. Another person said, I had daddy issues. My daddy walked out, I wasn't around him. And then I looked, I, you know, I sought to have that relationship with men when I got older. You could say this even for women who can understand this in another context, A lot of the women who you will see sleep with tons of guys. It's because their dads weren't. So they have daddy issues. They're pursuing that paternity in a really unhealthy way. And so for you, which was it?
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Well, I always knew that it was sick and wrong for two men to raise a baby. And I never wanted to have any part of that. And I feel some responsibility for elevating what you might call out and proud homosexuality into an acceptable position in right wing politics in America. I feel a lot of things about that, about my personal responsibility for that. I regret it very deeply because although I thought at the time I was being sufficiently tongue in cheek and subtle that people would get, you know, the nuances to it, they did not. And you just ended up with Lady Marga. And although I said in every speech I ever gave, if I had a button I could push to make me straight, I would, that too, of course, got lost. And so, you know, there was a moment when it looked like it might be a good idea if people who had this terrible affliction at least lived as close to wholesome lives as possible. I mean, it sounds sensible, right? So we go from being the taboo breaking, drug taking, promiscuous subculture to people who are living about, you know, about as good as you can, basically. You know, despite the fact that you're, you know, life revolves around a dysfunction or around a. A horror like that, at least, you know, you don't need to, like, throw the rest of your life away. You could at least be healthy. You could at least, you know, whatever. And it seemed for a while as though that was good. Homosexuals began to vote right wing. They still do. And so we thought for a while, this is, this is, this is going all right. You know, we've got all the white gays voting for the conservatives or the Republican Party. You know, they're getting into all kinds of rows with their intersectional whatever. This is good. It's good because they're the ones we want anyway. They're, you know, the white gays are the good ones out of the, out of the, you know, the LGBT circus. And they ended up voting on the basis of taxes instead of social issues, all kinds of things. But what I didn't foresee, which I suppose I should have, is that three fifths of a parody is not enough. And when you have this mockery of the holy sacrament, which is ultimately what it is, two men living together and committing a sin that, as we know, is one of the sins that cries out to heaven for vengeance. You know, it is one of, one of the things that. It's St. Catherine of Siena, I think she says. She says that the demons that cause homosexual acts, once they've prompted that in men don't stick around to watch because it's too disgusting, because they used to be angels. And it's in their angelic, rational nature. They can't see something so gross, so they dip. They don't stick around to see the sin that they prompted. This is the level of seriousness with which the church takes it, faith takes it. So it was probably foreseeable that a simulacrum of married life was Going to lead to something awful. And it did. It has led to the widespread abuse of not just children, but babies. We see stories now of babies being sexually violated by, by, by. By gay. I mean the. The couple who Ruth Bader Ginsburg married got busted for child pornography. I think sometime later. All of the. This episode is brought to you by Lifelock. When you visit the doctor, you probably hand over your insurance, your ID and contact details. It's just one of the many places that has your personal info. And if any of them accidentally expose it, you could be at risk for identity theft. LifeLock monitors millions of data points a second. If you become a victim, they'll fix it, guaranteed. Or your money back. Save up to 40% your first year@lifelock.com podcast terms apply.
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Even the. Speaking of. Sorry to cut you off, but speaking of the mythology, even the Matt Laramie Project, insane. I did not learn this. My brain basically broke because it was a part of the propaganda, sorry, Matthew Shepard, the Laramie Project. Why it was in my. I believe. And they kind of count this mythology saying Matthew Shepard was murdered because he was gay and he was tied to a fence. And this became a part of my high school indoctrination about why it was so important to let people just be gay. Because look what happened to Matthew Shepard.
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And that was of course, the manufacturer. It was the manufacturer.
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Total manufactured thing. Actually he was a drug addled, drug addicted. The person who killed him was. Was somebody that he knew and had homosexual. Had a homosexual relationship with. And they ran with this in order to get laws passed. They. I don't know if there's ever been upon a myth.
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Has there ever been a hate cr. I don't know if there's ever been a hate crime. I mean, definitely like, you know, 300 years ago, terrible. You know, there were atrocities happening across racial lines for. Because there was an understanding that people weren't people. But has there ever really been a hate crime?
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Yeah, when you say hate crime, it's so stupid. I'm like, has anybody ever committed a crime against someone that they love? Like, what do we mean when we even say hate crime?
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Well, I'm saying, you know, like for.
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Your attributes, like just because you're white, I'm gonna kill you.
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Has somebody pursued a homosexual across a field, tied him up and beat him? Killed? Nah, come on.
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But they wanted us to believe that and they taught us this school. And there are still people I know that are watching right now that do not realize that the entire movie, the Matthew shepherd thing is all The Matthew shepherd thing is all one big myth.
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Look at the way that progressives will rewrite their own founding mythology to suit the mores of the day. You think they're not worried about lying to you? It's now accepted wisdom among the wokest of the gay community that it was trans people who won gay rights at Stonewall, who marched. You know, it wasn't, there were no real trannies there. It was white gays. The white gays do all the, you know, do all the, the interesting stuff. They're all the fashion designers, you know, blah, blah. But they, they've, they. Because white gays have fallen out of fashion with the intersection now, now they've, they've just sort of completely rewritten who it was that participated in this, you know, civil rights event in history. They completely rewrite their own mythology with no compunction whatsoever. And they have no hesitation in lying to us about things that happened. And I think we're now seeing, we did a show not long ago about one particular country that is guilty of, you know, just the most extraordinary machine gun of psyops and lies and misrepresentations, just hoping that enough of it sticks. You know, it has become now the norm. Our societies, it functions not on the truth, but, but primarily on lies. I mean, most of the things that are said in American public life, on television, in newspapers, in the academy are not true. And this is, this is very dangerous because people with conditions or, or with disorders where they're trying to figure out what's real, they have no hope in a society like this, because it is now, I think we live in, I think we live in America, in a state now of epistemological crisis where it is no longer possible for a regular person with access to regular people things to even figure out how they would find out if something that they heard on TV was true. So if a politician tells you, well, this bill is bad because it's going to increase the deficit to a point where the country will not recover financially and you're like, well, I don't think money is real. But can't they just. Even if you took all the premises, there's no way to even find out. There's no way for somebody to go find out like is that true? Who is telling me the truth? Out of the Republicans and Democrats or out of the neocons and the, and the MAGA people? Who is telling me the truth about this, about this? What should be a black and white math problem? There's nobody to know. And so the the we're hopeless on things like sexuality that are so. That are not concrete, that are not tangible.
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With the Skittles.
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With the, with the Skittles. There's all of these founding myths and what they do is they get the media to spread it like fire and before people even know what the truth is, everybody is emotionally invested in the lies. And that's how they do it. They have to tell you a story that's borderline medieval. It's like he was chained, he was chained to offense just for being gay. George Floyd, he did nothing wrong. Hatred saw a black guy and they said let's choke him out for nine minutes and hope that he dies. And nothing. Nobody. Just goes for a moment. Wait a second. I've lived in America a very long time. I've never seen or heard this thing happen. But the media, they are so good at getting psychologically convincing people that no, this is exactly how it happened.
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My British is going to come out now, but I think this is, I think this is how this country was founded on a trumped up Reddit libertarian hissy fit that was not really all it was cracked up to be, but was the basis for a destructive and a self harm story. You know A founding mythology of a country that ripped out the natural system of government that is supposed to obtain over men on Earth and pulled God out of the system, too. I. Is this my British coming out? I know.
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No, actually, I'm gonna.
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There is something a little similar about the way this country was founded to what you're talking about, which might suggest why this country's so vulnerable and so susceptible to precisely this kind of psychological and political warfare. Because it is how the nation knows itself, how it was born, was in a fit of injustice that was corrected by a few brave men taking a stand. That's the whole story of America.
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Okay, so I'm interested now because this is gonna bring us right into the occult and what they actually believe in. Because you're right, the founding of America is an absolute myth. I'm actually reading about.
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Insulted by the French.
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But hold on. What is the book that I'm reading? The Secret Founding of America. I'm reading a book, and it's basically just blowing my mind, and it's telling me that everything you think you know is completely false. But when I was in study with some priests, they sort of pishposhed me. You know, I was in England studying with some priests, and they were just sort of like, everything that you Americans think you know is so foolish. Like, America was obviously founded by Freemasons. And now I'm really understanding, like, yes, you had these Freemason lodges that came over, you know, the Scottish Rite, Ben Iberith. And they. They were the reason behind the Civil War. They were the reason. But they were literally fighting for control of America. And the way that they do this is very similar to what we're seeing today. There's. There's this. This kind of mainstreamed lie. I mean, let's get the. If you ask Americans. Oh, it was just. The tea tax was too high. And this is what we did. We started throwing it out in the harbor and we said, we're ready to go to work. Now that I say it, it sounds so stupid.
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A
Sounds kind of dumb, don't. It? Sounds kind of dumb.
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B
Basically.
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A
Like, I know it was a couple hundred years ago, but people were people.
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B
What. How much is this tea cost? Oh, no, Paul Revere. The British are coming. It's actually something.
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A
Just stop. And it's gay. It's. It's. It's gay. It's gay. It's. It's gay. It's implausible. It is fake and gay.
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B
You literally. Now that I'm getting into the Freemasonry.
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A
And is it any wonder that a country founded on a fake gay mythology would, Would. Would have as its primary export, just a couple of hundred years later, sodomy as a condition of foreign aid? Is it so surprising? No, it's not. Not to me.
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B
No, it's not. But, but getting into the homosexuality and looking into B' Nai Barith, this was actually one of the Masonic lodges that Sigmund Freud was a part of. And that's why it made. Because they were definitely very involved in what was happening in the south. They're very involved in what's happening today. But Naibarith then became the adl, the ADL that we had today. What do they do? They mainstream lies, Right? They call themselves. Exactly. They call themselves anti Defamation. But what are they doing? They're actually defaming people.
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A
They accuse people, which is a satanic inversion of the language, precisely as is used in their, in their warfare. They tell you who they are in the name.
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B
Exactly. And so they are constantly accusing people of exactly what it is that they are. So they actually, in their core, by the way, they hate Christians, okay? They hate. I would argue that they, they hate the nuclear family because that comes with everything that comes down right from Christendom, like the nuclear family, the idea of a functional family. And when you look at the things that, that they're pushing in our society, it's constantly an attack on the family unit.
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A
Let's think about it in terms of Catholic theology, the transcendentals. These are those qualities of reality that all people are drawn to that give us a little taste of what our Lord may be like. And depending on whose theology you read, typically there's four of them. Beauty, truth, goodness and unity. Right. So you often hear religious people talking about the good, the beautiful and the true, right? Those are the things that the ADL wages war against, along with all of the other bodies of a similar kind. They will celebrate the ugliest statues possible. They will spread as many lies as possible, and they will propagate and seek to enshrine evil and wretched things. Planned Parenthood, whatever. The good, the beautiful and the true. And of course, they create disharmony and disunity and break people apart. It is those things that I always find it very helpful to think about the way that the enemy has fought over the last hundred years in this country in terms of those things, the transcendentals, because it sort of checks off all the fronts they've been fighting on. They've been getting it, even if we haven't. Well, America didn't. Because it's Protestant. Didn't, you know, lost sight of this. But the bad guys knew exactly what they were doing because they know what Catholics know, which is in just the same way that Satanists know what Catholics know. They just do something different, which is that those things tend to go together. And if you make a society that is beautiful and it tells the truth, it's likely also to be good. And if you have somebody who always tells the truth and has good morals, they're probably going to express those things in beautiful language. These things somehow have a relationship together because they're all qualities of God, but also because they seem somehow to lead to one another. And many people come to the faith, especially the Catholic faith, through art, through architecture, through beauty, because they see something in it. They feel something kind of humming behind it, and that humming is God. And eventually it tumbles into the good and the true things. They find out about God later, but they're drawn in by something objectively, independently beautiful, eternally beautiful about something that they have seen or a melody they have heard, or all of those things. The great richness of the Western whatever, by unpicking the mutually reinforcing structure that used to fuel our culture and hold us all together. Beauty, truth, goodness and unity. These things that we all thought, reflexively, that we would. Of course, we were all searching for and pointing towards by making the world ugly, putting fat girls on the magazines, making the statues horrendous. Leslie Jones. Haven't I suffered for that one?
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B
Lena Dunham. That wasn't fair.
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A
Lena Dunham.
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B
What did I do?
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A
She's come back bigger than ever. You know, in an age of ozempic, it takes some determination to be that fat.
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B
But she is. It was so intentional for her to do, to introduce into the culture. Get this deal with hbo. It's gonna be the greatest show ever.
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A
Ugliness.
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B
And then they put her on every. Every magazine cover. Oh, it's so brave. It's so beautiful. And. But there is an element of this. I really want to underscore this. The lie, them trying to sell it to us, and then say there's something wrong with you if you recoil when you see Lena Dunham naked. Of course there's such a thing as objective beauty. They're trying to teach us that beauty is.
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A
My recovery is rocky enough as it is.
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B
Yeah, it's like I could do without that. But seriously, they're trying to train our minds to believe that. That everything is subjective. And there's something about that perspective that is fundamentally Satanic and demonic and backwards. Because it's like, no, stop trying to convince me that this really ugly modern contraption and that you're calling a is just as beautiful as when I step into a Catholic cathedral.
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A
And so the Russians understand this, right? And so when they talk, when. When you hear the KGB guys talking about demoralization of a populace, of a population, right, they're saying they understand that if you make people say things they know aren't true and support things they know are bad and admire or perform admiration towards things they find ugly, they're.
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B
Gonna get depressed when you say something that you know to be untrue. I used to talk about this with.
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A
It makes you feel unsettled.
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B
But it's even worse. It's because there is this culture of that I would look under Lena Dunham posting herself like a total slob and people would say, stunning and brave, you know, so beautiful. Like, you're so inspired. A little piece of you, it does something to your spirit. When you speak an untruth like that, you know that's not true. Why are you saying that?
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A
And so when, when the, when the Berlin Wal and everybody was like suddenly Western, it was because everybody had been lying about what they really believed it was called. Sociologists referred to it as preference falsification. Right? All of society, basically, everybody had this incredibly powerful social pressure to all say that they believed and supported this, when in reality they were like secretly trying to listen to the radio from over there. So when there's the opportunity, everybody suddenly changes all at once. And we just saw that again with woke, with trans, with, you know, with Trump coming in, just this extraordinary. I mean, I don't know when you will be watching this, but when we recorded it, it was on that happy day that the View was reportedly cancelled. Did you see that today?
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B
No. Were they actually canceled? I don't think that's right.
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A
Well, I like to believe it and I'm never gonna watch it again. So I'm going to believe that it was cancelled today. But it's coming off the back of Colbert. These things are crumbling because the artifice of lies is crumbling because the infrastructure that require, requires the wickedness is no longer there. And so we don't need ugly, untalented, falsely propped up people on television anymore. And they're gonna have to, you know, go rebuild and do something else.
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B
Mark, do you mind looking up and seeing if you can pull that up? Whether the View is canceled today? I actually haven't. The View will be canceled. Rosie o' Donnell fears The View will be canceled for not updating us.
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A
Oh, so you've ruined them. My day.
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B
Why haven't the White House?
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A
I was hoping the View would be cancelled while Meghan McCain was on it so that she would always think it was her. But I'm choosing to believe that it was cancelled.
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B
But they are kind of trying to tell us, forgetting about the View, we are seeing that a lot of it is crumbling Hollywood influence.
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A
Howard Stone's contract was cancelled. And these are things that are in themselves lies, because they are contracts that are not profitable but are propped up by other things. They are lies in themselves.
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B
We gotta talk about this because this is. I literally covered this on my show last week. Bari Weiss. This is the greatest example of this.
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A
Oh, my gosh.
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B
The Free Press. They are trying to convince us Bari Weiss is worth a quarter of a billion dollars. They have no views on YouTube.
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A
There's a Jewish word for calling, for saying that your publication, the Free press is worth $250 million. It's called chutzpah.
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B
No, but everyone is actually investing. Every billionaire is investing in her. So let's actually think through this. This. What are they doing? It is so obvious that this publication, if we actually lived in a free market society, would be under.
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A
So technically speaking, things are worth what somebody is willing to pay for them under capitalism, right? There's a big buck coming. But, you know, so. So a company's valuation is determined by the price at which people are willing to buy in to exchange capital for slices of gum company. And the ratio at which they do that determines what the whole thing is worth. But it has been a very long time since people invested in companies solely for profitable returns. We now live in a very different world. We live in a late stage, monopolistic, decadent, capitalist world in which everything is one of the same five corporations. So it doesn't matter, and it never will, that that company isn't worth a tenth or a hundredth of what they say. Because a multinational conglomerate that doesn't care will buy it at that valuation anyway and continue to run it at a loss if they choose to because it has cultural value.
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B
But it doesn't have any cultural value. No one's listening to Barry Wise. So what are they doing? Are they pretending?
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A
What they're doing is building the propaganda machinery of tomorrow. Because the entire edifice of the prestige media has been so badly damaged and discredited by the last 10. By themselves, they did it themselves that there is no publication out there that still commands the respect and adulation and trust of the public. Nothing, none of them. And the ones that do have the most confidence of the public, we just defunded NPR whatnot, which you know, were coasting on a kind of authoritative tone to bamboozle people into thinking they were telling the truth, not really telling truth, but they did. So we have an enormous vacuum in the media landscape that I think they're going to fill by overvaluing. And then very quickly, in the same way that hedge funds will buy. You remember All Saints, that clothing store? There was one in Spitalfields or Shoreditch in London and there was one somewhere else. And then suddenly they were in every town. It's the hedge fund thing, it's the Blackstone thing, it's the. So they buy this and they're going to just federate it out. Before you know it, there will be be 5,000 free press journalists.
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B
I totally agree with you.
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A
What are they really? They're not journalists. They are instruments of propaganda for the state, for the. Well, Orwell didn't foresee this, but for, for that sick mix of state and corrupt capitalism, the revolving door between big Pharma, you know, Big oil, the, the military industrial complex and the government. Right, all of it together. And so those people require a complex, large and powerful propaganda system in order to get away with stuff like selling people poison and telling them it's medicine. And to do that they need people that public will more or less by and large trust. So my read on Bari Weiss is that she is the most malleable, controllable, anodyne, empty headed, willing to do, say and be anything person they could find and therefore is perfect to head up an organization that will be not a journalistic institution as we have known them, but rather a room of broadcasters for rent, depending on who that week needs to persuade the American public of some lies, whether it is the Israel lobby or Big Pharma.
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B
Okay, so interesting question for you. A lot of people that are being propped up, a lot of people that have power are in fact, especially in the media, gay. They're homosexuals. Right. Bari Weiss, she was married to a man, but now she's married to a woman and having children with a. Lesbians aren't real. Yeah, well, lesbians aren't real. Well, tell that to Bari Weiss. And nothing about her is real. Oh, well, do you think of a lot of people that are in power?
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A
Especially her valuation?
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B
Particularly her valuation.
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A
Maybe that's why they chose it. You see, But a woman who believes that she's sexually attracted to another woman. Woman can Believe anything. I mean, once you. If you're a woman, you convince yourself that you are sexually attracted. Another. I mean, even lesbians don't keep it up more than six months after they get married. It's called lesbian bed death. They stop having sex completely, and they just turn into sort of you know, miserable old knitters, you know, sort of. And then. And then, of course, the domestic violence starts spooling up because the pretty one gets a boyfriend on the side, and the, you know, the big, ugly dyke one beats the crap out of her twice a week because it is what, a dysfunctional, disordered arrangement which is guaranteed by virtue of its cacophony of lunging, flailing, mis punching intentions to produce horrors like Dave Rubin's Franken Babies. When the thought of it, you know, just like, oh, let's both. And then stir it, and then see, like, oh, my God.
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B
Well, I think it'd be even, like, okay, so another person in media, like you had. Don Lemon, you've got.
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A
Why do you think. Think, based on what we've discussed so far, would you choose gays to be the front man for the real powerful people whose names you'll never learn and who will never be held accountable because they're so used to playing characters already. They'll do whatever you want. They'll say whatever you want. They will actually and in fact inhabit the blade, will believe whatever they need to, and they will be your. Your endlessly and infinitely malleable propagandists and figureheads because they are so used already to stitching together things on the fly and saying things they don't believe and having no idea what the real truth is. And isn't that just what's happened to the press? It's become homosexualized. It's splintered. And we have this now. We have chunks of things that kind of sort of work, but there's nothing at the heart of it. It doesn't know what it's for. It's forgotten its role as the fourth estate. Why? Because it is full of gay people doing pr.
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B
Okay, so here's a question for you. What? How does the government win by trying to indoctrinate everybody into an increasingly more homosexual culture? Because it's. Of course, the government has to win, right?
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A
They have to be, because broken, damaged people are far more compliant because they're needier and they're weaker. So people don't understand why big companies love diversity. Wouldn't that just, like, make you less efficient? No, no, it's because diverse workforces don't Unionize. Amazon loves diversity because if you have an Italian American, a Mexican, a Guatemalan, and nobody knows what she is, they won't get together outside of work and talk about what the boss is doing. They won't have the same priorities, they won't have the same way of doing things. They probably won't even talk at work. They'll find the other Mexican or they'll find the other whatever, or they'll just sort of sullenly do their job and go home. And this completely divided, fractured, dysfunctional workforce that doesn't represent anything like the old factories or workplaces of the past, where people were invested in each other's careers and kids and took things to the office, oh, I baked today, or whatever, you can't imagine that happening in Amazon Warehouse. And it doesn't. Because these workforces are full of people so utterly different from one another. They have nothing in common and don't really know how to communicate with one another and don't unless they have to. Those workforces are neutralized in terms of political dissent or collective bargaining. And Amazon will never have to worry about their workers all going out on strike one day because the wages are too low. They'll never have to worry about the workforce having an attack of the vapors or morals saying, we don't think we should sell this anymore. I know it's very profitable for you, but we're not going to pack it. They never have to worry about that because there aren't four people in that building who have enough in common to have a coffee at lunchtime and say, we really should do something about this. So in the same way, the government that is intricately involved in the sale and regulation and in some cases punishment of a variety of different poisons and drugs and all the rest of it. I mean, basically, they tell you which ones you can have and they give licenses to companies to profit from from it. The more fractured and the more dumb and dependent the population is, the more they will need to play ball so that they get their Adderall, so that they get their paycheck. They don't fall behind with their compound interest payments for the television that they don't own, so that they. Because with everybody living paycheck to paycheck and surrounded by these addictions and dependencies, from their brokenness, from their disorder, from their misery, from their unhappiness, these cushions that they use or these medications or these whatever they are, you know, that they use to fix their mood from one day to the next, they need that stuff they need it. And it makes that person, it takes that person completely out of the running for social dissidents. That person can't even take a month off work, work, let alone go and protest what the government's doing. And so they become, as we now have in America, miserable, demoralized wage slaves who are living in a prison of compound interest debt and who live lives they never wanted and wouldn't choose, but which were sort of provided for them as an aspirational lifestyle goal by the same press that. And they can't afford. And they're frightened of. Of taking that time off and seeing what it would mean. And then other things begin to happen which you'll just start noticing now in the last 10, 20 years in America, other crazy making things start to happen. I live in a house. There's a friend of mine. A friend of mine owns this house. It is a 1920s travertine, marble and concrete mansion. Huge, whacking great thing on top of a hill. And it is the only house I've ever been in, in America that feels solid, like it might be here in 50 years. Everything else in America, you must. Having been to Europe so much now with your husband, you must.
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B
The architecture is just.
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A
Things just feel like they're going to last. And you're not wrong. You're not imagining it. I always tell this story. People get stories. But my mother had a corkscrew that she bought in Paris when I was a baby, which she still had when I was 18. And I know that because I stole it. I. That worked fine. And, you know, we're Brits, so we were drinkers. I mean, she was using that thing every day. And it lasted. You can't buy one that lasts a year in America. You, I mean, you're lucky if you can farm that last six months, right? Everything about the built environment is becoming disposable, dispensable, fragile. The walls are getting thinner so you can hear the people next to you. And, you know, you might have somehow managed to beat the economics of 2025 and buy yourself a house, but that house is falling apart. The moment it's finished, things are peeling. The workmanship is, you know, is terrible. The materials are terrible. Everything is done. Everything is done in a slipshod fashion. And it makes people. It makes people terrified of taking risks because so much about their life is uncertain or painful or uncontrollable or chaotic already. And so, you know, you have people trapped in this jail trying to keep abreast of repairs on their house, repairs on the car. I mean, every consumer Device now is 2002 or $3,000 in breaks. You know, that is not all right, but every single thing is like it. Now, I was looking for.
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B
Americans definitely have been kind of taught. Sorry to cut you off, but Americans sort of have been taught to, like, embrace this new, new, new culture. Stainless steel, everything is so.
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A
But it's sold as a signifier of wealth. When anybody from a truly wealthy, wealthy family, exact opposite will tell you that is the sign of poverty, of only being able to afford something that doesn't last. You know, when black Americans were first emancipated and they were building these new lives, black consumers in America in the 1950s and 60s went into department stores and bought the best that they could afford, the best brands, the best quality brands, because they knew how to last. Because they were building a life, like a life that had a future. They were looking ahead to their children, having a destiny in America. And they wanted to build something real and something with foundation. Right? You hear a lot of black grandmas these days. That's your foundation, right? It's a big word that you hear, like, maybe two generations up in black America, that's your foundation. Ayan less says it a lot. You know, the Ayan Levanza, the consumers. In 1950s, if you worked in a department store, you would know if a black couple came in or wife. She wanted the. Not the most ostentatious one, but the very best quality brand, better than the white people would buy, and she was going to look after it, take care of it, have it for 20 years. That's what you do when you have an investment in the future. That's what you do when you have hope for the future. That's what you do when you're building something that will be a legacy for generations to come. What we have now, especially in white working class America, where the raison d' etre of the town has gone, as well as everything falling to pieces, but really just in the country generally is this flattening and cheapening of all our life through this fake. Oh, wealthy people just throw it away when they're done with it. This wealth mythology that Americans have been sold, like if, if you can just buy another one, that means you're doing well, right? It doesn't matter that it broke or whatever or that you, you buy. Like I was thinking it, I'm a cat person. I was looking at those robots, you know, that, that. Because, you know, I'm not touching litter and my, you know, my mate can't be there every day.
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B
Oh yeah, the litter robots.
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A
Yeah. And. And the leader in the market, which costs $700 and they've been making these things since 1990, killed two cats three months ago. They still haven't got it right. They still don't make it right. You know, either take it off the market or don't. Build cheap. And the reason is that it was built so cheaply that the magnets kind of fell over it, like trapped and killed. You know, because even things that are designed to go in your home for the benefit of living creatures are made with such contempt and carelessness and yet priced so astronomically as to, as to. As to make everyone crazy. And it has made everyone crazy.
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B
Yeah. And I mean, and even in regards to food, kind of this idea of like, well, we can feed more people. What are you feeding them? You're feeling them. Crap. Nothing is ancestral anymore. That's what I always say about America. Nothing is ancestral. When you say ancestral. I mean, even if you think about people's families, that people don't know where they come from anymore. Right. So there's nothing that has any substance. There's nothing that has that foundation.
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A
Imagine the world before they were born.
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B
And they're trying, trying to speed that up. And that is, that is the danger that I see in AI it's the reason why while everyone else is sort of embracing this people so creepy. Giving the heroes welcome. When Elon Musk joined the. Joined the administration, I'm sitting here going, this is terrible. This is not a good idea. He actually believes in transhumanism. Okay. Yeah. Her, his grandfather, Granddad was, his grandfather was a part of this sort of transhumanist movement in Canada.
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A
This is difficult for me because I'm going blind and I have about five or six years of vision left. And so his, his, his chip is probably the only thing that's hold out any hope of me being able to make my own.
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B
You don't ever give your. The government access to your brain. The problem is we already have given the government access to your brain. And look at what's happening.
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A
The problem is somebody could put me in pastels without me knowing and see I have some way to go in my recovery. No, no, but you know, his, his thing is the is. Is. Is just about the only. It is. I saw a woman writing that on the screen. I was like, oh, oh, that's one of those. That's like Christ in the desert kind of like glass of water kind of territory. And it's like, oh, I Must have it, you know. You know, really, really mesmerizing, alluring, kind of sickening, sort of an inducement of an enticement, you know, that's how they get you. Yes, yes, of course. I was amused to see that the latest iteration of self driving cars is consistently turning people straight into oncoming traffic. It's like, yeah, of course even the cars want to kill themselves, you know.
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B
But it's like this is the whole thing. It's. They want to control every aspect of your life, including your brain. So it's not enough to just fill your mind with propaganda and lies every single day. Now they're like, actually open up your mind, steer your car could possibly go wrong. You have these people who found like the, the foundation of that transhumanist thought was the idea that they're like, hey, we don't actually believe in democracy. You think too many, too many people are stupid. We are the smart people, allow us to like rule the world. Actually his grandfather, particularly Elon Musk's grandfather or great grandfather in Canada was a part of the technocratic movement, right? So they believed in technocr.
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A
This is my problem with America. When you rip out God and the king, you can't replace it with the stars and stripes and a couple of slogans. You can't just say, oh, freedom, fourth of July and think that an entire intricate system of human governance and flourishing and culture and faith that was all leading, tending up toward that capstone on earth as it is in heaven, an earthly reflection of the heavenly order, the aristocracy and the king, the angels and our Lord. Rip that out of the heart of the system and expect everything to be okay. Because you don't just get rid of it, you make room for something worse to move in.
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B
Hollywood became the King and the Queen, correct? The Beyonces, the Jay Zs. You see people worshiping Hollywood.
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A
And the problem is that if you have a bad king, you're not supposed to, but you can kill him, you can assassinate him. And people who do. When there's a crazy, cruel, terrible king who's doing absolutely insane things, somebody kills him eventually. But if you don't know the names of the people who rule over you because they're all hiding behind the rippling stars and stripes like this, making a fortune from you, poisoning you, lying to you, experimenting on you, mutilating your children, or convincing you to do it, this is when the Russians said that we'll know that America's conquered when people don't. Just people will see their chains, love them, and ask for More. And don't we live in that situation now where we've got parents asking doctors to mutilate their own kids just to relieve their own consciences of whatever it was that they messed up during parenting or for even worse reasons. I mean the things that single mothers are perpetuating to their kids, there's almost no depth to the horror of it. We in 1776 does not make America a free of monarchy. It just means you don't know who's in charge and you'll never be able to hold them accountable.
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B
Who do you think is in charge? Good question.
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A
It seems obvious to me from every thing we know about empires and long lasting cultures, how and when they fall, how and when they do it, the characteristics that it has, has I think we can see in that hints about the perpetual elite class that seems to kind of exist throughout the. Because those are the excesses I think that the, the elites embody that they can do. But when it permeates down into the rest of society, things fall apart. So at the end of Rome, you know, you have the Visigoths sacking the city and the senators are not doing what they're supposed to do. They're not in the Senate, they're out with child prostitutes or they're gay orgies or they're whatever. When you start to see the, the. I think that Camille Palia, who we're not supposed to quote anymore because people keep finding things about man boy love in her books, but other than that she's pretty good on most subjects. When she, she, she, she talks about this, she, she talks about the things that, that civilizations have in common just before performing fall. Every single one of them has a trans craze. All of them, every single great empire, every single great culture that has ever existed in the history of human civilization has had some kind of genderqueer or male female sex confusion right before the.
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B
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A
Don't come for Marlena Dietrich. That's going to make me feel.
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B
But, yeah, no, it's. She was one of them. They brought her over. They found her in old.
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A
I'm trying to.
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B
No, you have to. She's just part of this.
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A
You don't know what it took for me to let go of dinosaurs. And it took me. Me years. It took me years to let go of dinosaurs.
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But dinosaurs is hard for guys.
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A
Jurassic park is like the. It is the. Aside from. Aside from.
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B
They are fake and gay, though.
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A
Aside from getting raped. It is the, like, seminal moment of my childhood. Sorry, dinosaurs. No, no. Going to see Jurassic park in the movies for the first time. I watched that movie 500 times. I'm not exaggerating.
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B
Dinosaurs. They just love them so much.
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A
Oh, we love them so much.
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B
Right? You like the idea of them.
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A
I know that movie backwards. I know every line of dialogue I had. I. I taught myself, you know. Do you remember where she said, this is a UNIX system? I know this Lex, the. The. The computer geek girl who figures out how to lock the doors when the velociraptors. All right, okay. You don't know. But when the velociraptors are. Are hunting them in the visitor center, right towards the end, she figures out how to. How to close the doors. Like, I bought a computer like that and taught myself. Like, I. It was like. That was such a. Such a penetrating thing for me. Jurassic park and dinosaurs. Like, I wanted to use the same computer they had in the movie. I had my. Like, I had it on my. It was everywhere. And I still love it, and I still have a soft spot. And to let go of dinosaurs was very difficult. I'm not quite ready for Marlena Dietrich.
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B
You know, you. You need to be ready for that, because I'm telling you, she was imported over here by a bunch of German pedophiles for a reason. And then when you look at the pictures of her with Pierre Berger. Yeah. Yves Saint Laurent, Pierre Leger, all of these people who were intriguing in bending the gender and fashion, the whole fashion. Balenciaga, the kids. I mean, this is. Now that I'm getting into the culture of Brigitte and who Brigitte was friends with, and all of them just happened to have a thing for, you know, kids.
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A
You've been telling me about French designers, and I've been very reassured by my instincts to discover that when I, When I return to my wardrobe, it is Dolce Gabbana, Versace, Loro Piana. It's all Italian.
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B
Yeah, I haven't. Yeah, I haven't.
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A
They have different problems.
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B
They have different problems. Yeah. But the French designers.
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A
The French designers all have.
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B
They liked little boys, harems of catalog. Yep. And they absolutely loved Marlene Dietrich for a while.
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A
Although I don't think that Karl Lagerfeld did. Actually. I think. I think Karl Lagerfeld was gay, but I don't think he was into it. I think he was one of the few.
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B
That wasn't all I'm gonna do.
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A
And the way that I know that is because he was very unrepentantly and joyfully racist and sexist and un PC. And he didn't seem to be part of the cult of conformity and have, you know, he didn't have anything in common with the other. I need to believe this. Okay.
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B
I will say this. He has not yet come up in my research, so there's that.
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A
So. So you. You have.
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B
But the fashion industry really was built upon.
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A
You have to allow me my fictions because I'll go crazy without them. You. We mentioned.
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B
I'll allow Carl Lagerfeld to be your dinosaur.
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A
We mentioned. No, I mentioned the last show. That your radical skeptical skepticism is the only rational position in a world like ours. But I am a romantic. I am. You know, I'm a. With a capital R, you know, And I, I, I, I can't go on with everything taken. I must have.
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B
Yves St. Laurent and Pierre Berger were into defecation during sex. So that's why they.
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A
Yeah, them and every Saudi. I mean, if you. So if you've ever seen anyone on Instagram that's kind of impossibly beautiful and usually mostly unclothed, that's a prostitute. They are escorts. And those people go to Dubai a couple times a year to have the Most extraordinarily depraved things done to them in exchange for.
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B
This is what these fashion designers were into. And so this is as I'm researching, and sadly, this came up when I was learning about Emmanuel Macron.
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A
Difficult to give up the cast of.
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Characters around them, but learning what they were into. And a lot of their male prostitutes then spoke up, and they're sex slaves. They had these sex slaves. But it is quite stunning. I bring this up only to really underscore that our entire society, Hollywood, right. Was shaped. We were literally all being unwittingly indoctrinated into a culture of homosexuality, transgenderism, you know, the belief of the. The male and the female coming together to form one.
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A
For me, because if you lose France, you lose Chanel and Dior, and those are girl brands, whereas Italy, I mean, it would be devastating to lose Italian shoes.
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B
I now convinced.
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A
So it's worse for women to lose France, because France is the Pinnac, a female fashion. It's the home of haute couture. Right. So, you know, you want one of those extraordinarily expensive dresses cut just for you by, you know, you should read.
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B
What they were doing. Like, they thought it was inspiring for them to be with these young girls.
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A
I can imagine.
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B
It ruins everything.
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A
I was gay for long enough. I can imagine.
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B
Yeah, exactly.
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A
And this sadistic treatment of women, putting them, you know, the whole model culture and fashion, whatever, which sometimes is directed at the beautiful and sensual and pleasing, but more often these days is. Is a kind of ugly humiliation and debasement. The things that. And this is. Oh, no, we got to give up Tyra Banks as well, because she's part of this.
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B
The entire fashion.
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A
I can't handle this much truth.
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B
We know. This is like, you know, you look at it now, and we're like, okay, yeah, everybody in the fashion industry is gay, but we didn't.
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A
But the humiliation that they put women through, the cruelty they put the women through in fashion, the gay men. Why? Because they're visiting the. They're visiting the. They know that their moms did it to them.
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B
Oh, I have a question. Question. Yeah, I was going to ask you this. So something that I have noticed. Gay men hate women. Too many of them. Not all of them, obviously. But what I'm saying is that there is a. A certain level of vitriol that is reserved.
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Yes.
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For. For women. Where does that come from? I don't understand.
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A
It is they lash out at other women because they can't. At their mothers who did it to them. So when When I, I have this, I have it, I have it. I'm not proud of it. I, I mean sometimes I am because it's funny. And then I have to kind of catch myself. Just the other day I took more pleasure than I should. More pleasure certainly than was charitable in sharing the, you know, sexual history and peccadillos of, of some turning point influencer. And I, I found myself posting a picture of a man she had public sex with at a TPSA party saying a, I really shouldn't post this. She is getting married in 11 days. She, she, she was. You know, and, and it, I mean in retrospect, yes, it is still funny. And so you could, you could make a case that it's justified. But I didn't do it because I wanted to improve the moral standing of women. I did it because it was, because it was mean.
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B
Yeah, but why do, why do gay men have a mean streak?
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A
It's because, it's because there is, there is a, there is a wound that will never heal at the heart of every gay person made by their mothers. Who, for instance. So you, you know that there's a higher self reported incidence of homosexuality in black and Jewish. Among black and Jewish Americans.
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B
Yes.
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A
Guess why. Right.
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B
Well, I definitely have noticed that a high incident of a lot of gay people that are Jewish and black. Black people, I'd imagine because of in, no.
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A
Well, yes. Fatherlessness, yes. So if you have no male role models is bad enough, but that's not what black kids experience. Black kids experience a steady drip feed of poison from their own mothers about the male role models they should have had, who made them and, and, and, and eventually the mothers will start visiting this stuff on the sons. When the sons become sufficiently like their dad, when they start having sex, when they start getting girlfriends, mom starts treating the son.
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B
Then what's the, what's the what about Jewish people because their families are together?
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A
What is it? Think about the Jewish marriages that you know, think about the couples you have almost, almost exclusively. You have larger than life raucous women with nebbish, scholarly, quiet men who take almost no interest in the raising of the children. And the women who are so unbearably, exhaustingly exasperating that he, that the husbands just let them make all the decisions about how the house goes. Right. And how the house is run. I, I, I, I like to compare Jewish weddings to Jewish marriages to lion taming. You have, you know, you have this little guy and this, you know, and, and it's, it's, it's unlike female suffrage. Let's say in London, where. Where it's the men granting it to the women. Women are asking for it, but it's the men that have to give it to them. It was Jewish women who appointed themselves with rabbis who said, my husband's an idiot. I could be a rabbi.
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B
You know, the Jewish women were behind the feminist movement in America. They were. They were behind the. The revolution in Russia.
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A
To overbearing mothers and absent, inadequate or neglectful fathers, that's a recipe for homosexuality just as much as some other more physically traumatic or psychological traumatic events might be. That particular combination. The overbearing, micromanaging mother who thinks she knows best but does not know what a boy needs, and the father who's useless or absent or in my case, is a killer. You know, that's how you make gays, crap dads and omnipresent octomom. But, you know, we know what I mean. Boys especially, especially they need a father or some kind of male role model. Women cannot raise boys by themselves. They don't know what men need to form platonic relationships with other men because those moms never have themselves. They've only ever bounced from unsatisfactory boyfriend to unsatisfactory boyfriend and in most cases don't have a good relationship with their own brothers and fathers.
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B
It's actually so interesting. I think the biggest question you can ask anyone is what their relationship. Relationship is like with their mother and their father. Because you. And this is the reason why they're attacking family. Because when you come from a nuclear family, a healthy family dynamic, a mother.
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And a father vulnerable to 90% of the warfare.
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B
Yeah. That they're trying to think about the Catholic family. They want to enslave us. So it's like the easiest way to enslave any, any, any people.
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A
Think about the Catholic families. Think about the Catholic families, you know, who aren't converts but have been, like, going to the parish for, like, 20 years. Right.
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B
How.
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A
How unreachable they are by Lizo or campus rape culture or transgender whatever. If they were even to hear of such things, which of course they do from time to time, they would regard it with a mixture of pity, horror, and amusement. They're completely immunized against it because they have their needs met by an authentic relationship with our Lord and each other. A healthy family. Right. Because they have no, or at least less fewer dysfunctions, diseases, mental illnesses. Of course, the vast majority of mental illness is just guilt from sin. They have less of that because they're going to confession every week. They don't need the beast system. They don't need the drugs. They don't need to be lied to. They don't need the mood for fixes. They don't need a car that's not even nice but just expensive looking and expensive and flimsy and on credit, you know? Catholic, Catholic. Those Catholic families where everybody's. You kind of almost feel awkward to be around them. It's like everybody's like so well behaved, you know, Just don't say shit. Don't say shit. You know, in my brain, of course it gets much worse than that, you know, I'm just like the most depraved thing I can think of pops into my head and I just have to leave. But they're not tempted. They always drive. They drive hoopties, you know, because that's all you need. It's like, who cares? Those people who have a strong family and God, they don't need anything that the devil is selling.
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B
So true. You know, it's funny going back to what you were saying about the transcendentals, I think about this even in regards to music. So I, I can't listen to the music that I used to. To listen, listen to. Suddenly the cursing sounds very harsh to me.
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A
What have you, what have you gone off? What did you used to like? And don't know.
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B
Well, I used to be able to listen to. I still have it on my phone, but like a lot of, A lot of swearing, a lot of rap music, like. Well, I listen to everything. I've always listened to everything, you know, I mean, I grew up listening to Lauryn Hill and like Whitney Houston. Right, exactly. But what I mean is that I, I used to be able to. I would almost say I actually started listening to more rap music when I got into college, you know, and even, I mean, so many different songs. Even if I go back and listen to When I love Christina Aguilera, right? Like I grew up normal teenage, but.
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A
There'S something off about her now, isn't there?
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B
When you go back and listen to it, I'm like, this is so sexual. And she was 17 years old. A genie in a bottle that needs to be rubbed. I'm like, this is pornography. For years.
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A
I'm a genie in a bottle. Got to rub me the right way.
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B
Yes. And she was 17 years old.
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A
And when you see the dirty video and you realize that this is a girl who has been wrecked by the entertainment industry and they then use her damage to sell sex in a different way.
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B
Ariana Grande bended all night, I bend it all day. And when you actually, it takes very. It. It actually, when you begin abstaining, it isn't unlike a recovery and that it. Your ears repair, your brain repairs and then. But then.
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A
So I understand, I've never been on a diet, but I understand that you.
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B
Stop listening to it, even if you stop listening to it, if you want, people are listening at home. Challenge yourself to stop listening to maybe all music, right, for. For, let's call it a month. And then go back and try to listen to something with expletives and you suddenly go, whoa.
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A
And you know why? You know why? It's Aristotle. Habits become character. We're creatures of routine and habit. That's why we have to do the rosary, why we have to go to mass on Sundays. It's why church is a regular commitment and not a one off. It's why we have to. It's why we're encouraged to do these rituals, right? It's why Catholicism is so good for drug addicts snapping out of it. Because you can replace the bad rituals of the drugs and sex with the wholesome rituals of things like things like the rosary, right? The Angelus, whatever. We are creatures of habit. Indeed, half the species are creatures of a literal cycle, a repeating period of time that dictates everything about all of our lives, but is also, you know, it's kind of the primary way in which we measure time. The seasons, the months. You know, it's because of the natural cycle of womanhood. Women find it especially easy to fall. It's always women that you will find, you know, at the back of church doing the rosaries, like every day at the same time. Men find it difficult to be consistent about that sometimes because they're, you know, out here doing this, that and whatever. But we're creatures of habit and so we can make ourselves. You can get better. You can get better. What have you been drawn to that you didn't used to listen to that. You do now. And then I'm going to tell you a crazy story about what happened to me when I stopped being gay. But what have you, what have you, like, what have you sort of started going, okay, a lot of things?
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B
Well, first and foremost, I would say I did not when we first got married. And my husband loves the chanting, the Gregorian chants.
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A
It's difficult, isn't it? It's a lot to take.
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B
It's a lot to take in.
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A
It is. Even I have trouble with it. The Anglican tradition is so much more, you know, the raw Wedding music, though I was glad, you know, all that. The grand, wonderful kind of pomp and ceremony. Ceremony. And that is so much easier to listen to.
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B
Right.
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A
Than. Look, a lot of Catholics have trouble with Gregorian chant. It is. For me, I still find it more of a meditative aid than a. Than a pleasure, I think, seek out.
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B
Right. But I think one of the things that I've noticed, though, is just kind of. Which was what Bishop Err wrote in his book, which I think was actually a major contributor to me wanting to be Catholic, was when he said that anything that becomes broken and becomes away from being whole goes. Gets closer to the devil, right? So if you start to break down a family, if you start to break down music, if you take down. If you take anything and you start to fracture it. The more fractured it becomes, the closer it becomes to the devil, right?
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A
Holy. So syncopation in.
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B
But think about. Holy is also W H, O L, L, Y. Right? It can be holy or holy, but you want something to be whole. Right. And what the devil is constantly trying to do is to fracture things. Like whether it's. To fracture the family.
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A
Certainly. Yeah.
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B
Well, I. I now think of these two terms not unlike each other when I think of holy and I think of holy.
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A
Well, the reason.
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B
Yes, I think that the. The. You. This is correct because the family unit to be together. You want the church to be together. Even if you got Protestantism, what is it? It's the constant breaking down. Okay, well, this was. This was the church, and now we're this. And then they break from them, and then they break from them, and then it's constantly being the greatest.
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A
The greatest sin you can commit, aside from suicide, perhaps, is. Is schism to break. You know, the. The way that I think about it, which I think is this. I think we're saying the same thing is the natural law that underpins our religious injunctions is everything is. Is that things are, Are, are correct when everything is performing the function for which it was intended. Everything in its right place, you know, And. And so when things are lifted out from, or broken apart from their natural habitat and their natural function, they set off chain reactions of things going wrong. Homosexuality being an example. But also there's all kinds of ways in which Christians will say, let one sin and the others will follow. And they're describing the runaway effects of breaking a bit off. And that's exactly what happens to gay personalities in a. In a psychiatric sense. And it's what happens to families if the government can do it. You know, the. The Some of the sickest and most depraved things that the government does are things that most viewers of your program probably won't know about and people like us will never encounter directly in our lives. The ways in which the government treats people when they are down on their luck and trying to rebuild some semblance of a family unit. The penalties, the financial penalties and the threat of homelessness that is dangled over the heads of single mothers should they make the mistake of getting a boyfriend, you know, who could be a dad to their child, who could be a husband for them, who could, you know, who knows? But obviously you soon get whatever. But they're seeking something more wholesome, more coherent, more closer to, you know, and, and, and the state. You know, there's so many people in this situation where if you're a single mom and you have a kid, you're going to lose. If, if, if, if there's suddenly a live in man like you have a boyfriend around too much, you could lose your, your social housing and you could lose some, some or part of your welfare. Like the, the perverse incentive incentives that the system has set up for. The only possible reason is to keep those people exactly where they are, exactly to enslave people.
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B
The Great Society act, which is exactly what it was. They mainstreamed welfarism by saying to women, hey, like it's a negative incentive, but don't marry the father. They actually used to send people around to examine the homes to make sure there was no man living there, to make sure that there was a single woman.
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A
It still happens.
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B
Wow.
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A
It still happens. Not, you know, uh, I, I've acquired through my former marriage, some marriage, you know, from my former relationship, some cousins in Philly who live, you know, much closer to that kind of life than, than I do. And it still happens. And people live in fear of improving their lot of, of, of making wholesome good choices designed to, to make their lives and their kids lives healthier, wealthier, happier, more successful because they're afraid that they'll get, they're afraid that they won't be able to survive in the gap that the savagery of the welfare system creates. And it's all on purpose and it's all designed to keep them exactly where they are. Single mom with a kid at home. A kid therefore is being raised by, by Harrigans Termagants and, and witches at school. And the mom is just too wrapped up in keeping the plate spinning to be able to think too much about what their child will be with, you know, what their aspirations might look like or. Or, you know, where the family will be in 10 years because she's exhausted and she still doesn't make all the bill payments every month. And the kid is, you know, slowly being raised by, you know, these, these demons in schools with pink hair and pride flags.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Told if they're a little bit froofy, a little bit. How do you do A little bit light in the loafers, sugar in the tank, as we say. Philly. That they're not gay, from which there is a possibility of. Of recovery, but they need to have their penis chopped off. And mom, they sort of tired and addicted to her prescription medication and so exhausted and confused and unhappy. Miserable and just demoralized and deflated that she goes along with it and even maybe find some comfort in it because she didn't want to be the woman on the block with a gay kid. And that is a deliberate construction of the people that we're talking about. Talking about the people behind, you know, the. The Anderson Coopers and the Don Lemons and the. And the witches of the View now gratefully canceled. It's canceled. Just say it's canceled. If I ever see a TV Guide, I'll just. I mean, so my maid has been told anything that comes in a windowed envelope to just throw it away. I started doing this 10 years ago and nothing bad happened, so I just kept doing it. It's brilliant. You know, if you like really, really owe somebody money, you find out about it eventually. So, yeah, so I have all these kind of silly rules that just keep me amused. So I'm going to have. I'll have the View cut out. The TV Guide downstairs. It doesn't exist. It's gone. It's gone. It doesn't exist. I don't see it. But no, these terrible situations that so many people are in that have been architected by instruments of the prince of the power of the air. You know, it's tough to look at America and not think that we are at that precipitous crisis, at that moment of collapse that other empires have experienced. Ten years ago, Douglas Murray, who used to be so much more interesting than he is now, unfortunately said we're going to be squabbling over transgender pronouns when the Mullers don't nuchus. And what he was getting at was this sort of decadent preoccupation with things we shouldn't even be discussing, let alone figure out what the right answer is. While we lose sight of self preservation and sanity and sense and everything else, it's very difficult to look out and not just say, you know what, I'm going to go to church and make sure I'm good with God and stay away from everybody. I've struggled with that because I had a, as most people know, you know, I had a Little Hiccup in 2017 where I was found myself on national television apologizing for being raped.
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B
Yeah, we should talk about that.
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A
Maybe not, maybe not.
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B
But we don't need to get into the big subject.
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A
But the point being I had some time to think.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And it's been very hard for me to motivate myself to do anything in the public eye now. I have a new career now which I like a lot more and I'm much more content tent than ever I was before. But of course from time to time people will say why don't you do this, why don't you do that? Been very difficult to motivate myself to get excited about any ideas and big money on the table at times for me to do a show or something. I'm just like what was the point? I mean Jesus is coming back in.
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I also have a moral responsibility for the next 50 years to help other people. That's exactly my worry.
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Because you feel that like, if you, like you said, I really, I deeply regret that I was. I'm married and I'm representing this homosexual lifestyle.
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She's clever. She remember, she remembered this. Yeah.
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When you said that you regret it.
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It's so wily. You're so wily.
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Why wouldn't you want to do the opposite and speak about these things?
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So tricky.
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And just be honest about everything that you've lived through and what you've done so that you people can learn from you. Because if I say, if I get onto a platform and I say, you know, homosexuality, you know, you'll start living a Life of sin. It may not happen.
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Have.
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If you're a person who's dealing with homosexuality or you're a person who's in school and someone's telling you you are a homosexual and maybe you don't feel like you are a homosexual, they may need to hear it from somebody else who's lived that way.
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I will say this. I have had. I've lived a life of immense privilege, unearned genetic advantage. You know, I've really. I know I. I've. I've had everything very easy. And there have been a few things that have happened to me, my life that have been genuinely terrible and that most people probably wouldn't have dealt with like I did. Maybe it's because I didn't have anything else to worry about, or maybe I've just built. Built a resilient. But finding somebody for the first time in 35 years that you think is the first person in your life that loves you back and that, you know, you. You finally don't feel so alone in thinking, well, I might be this, but at least I'm kind of whatever. And then having to give that person up because you realize you're living. Living a life that's simply not acceptable to God and what it does to that person's life and what it does to your life. That was the worst thing that I've ever done to another person. The worst thing that's ever happened to me, and the worst thing I've ever done to another person. And the worst thing about it was he knew already, because of course you do. When you care about somebody, you can see things happening.
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He was messing with you spiritually. He could sense that.
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He knew that I wasn't in the room anymore. I wasn't present in the room anymore, and that I was having some kind of crisis about that part of my life. And he knew already and he'd already come to terms with it. And he done his grieving for the relationship. So I'm there like I've just ruined this person's life. And they're being really nice to me and asking me if I'm okay, because I'm not. And so that was horrible. And, you know, the priest thing, I said I shouldn't say it again and get canceled for another 10 years. But will in common with a lot of people that this happens to, I didn't perceive it as being as bad at the time as the effect I now realize it had on me. Right. It wasn't like a. It wasn't a. A violent Brutal situation. Right. And I didn't know until after I got canceled. Thanks.
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You know, that you had started loving your victim. Not loving your. Not loving your oppressor.
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I mean, like that. I. I didn't realize that it was responsible for so much of me. That that was wrong. Right. And what it had done to me, I thought I kind of got away with it. I even sort of thought, well, kind of. I think I was sort of the sexual aggressor in that situation. You know, I didn't realize what it had. The. What it had left me with to. To. To have that. And then, you know, the husband. And then. And then I have a lot of health problems now too. Going blind and God knows what else. I used to. I joke with my spiritual director that when I get to heaven, I'm going to march up to our Lord and say, I want an apology. Say you're sorry. And he said, says our Lord will outstretch his hands and you will see his stigmata. And you will feel profoundly ashamed for the fraction of a second before you plunge down into the lake of fire. Don't do that when you get to heaven. I'm just kidding. But I have felt like that sometimes. I have had that difficult relationship where I'm like, haven't you done enough? Are we not good enough? And I've said to a few people recently, which always upsets them, but I mean, it's like, I'm ready to be with Jesus, like I'm tired, like I'm good. But I. I have a feeling, and there's a reason for this, which is a horrible, gruesome reason that you won't want to hear. But I'm telling you anyway that unfortunately I think he has plans for me to be here for many decades yet doing something along the lines you suggest when I. All gay sex is a humiliation is an exercise in humiliation and in self harm. In my case, it was particularly so wanting to be physically subjugated by a much stronger, stronger, larger man. And I settled on African American men as being the sort of athletic, hyper masculine thing that was. Was doing it for me. And in the course of, you know, over 20 years, I guess it would be 20, yeah, 20 years of being an active homosexual. I mean, I had a lot of sex and a lot of unprotected sex with a lot of people from my group where half of all of them get AIDS. 50% of gay black men get HIV. And I've done the math, and it breaks every law of maths, physics, biology and chemistry that I don't have hiv. It is mathematically impossible that I don't have it, but I don't. And that is, that is a good God thing. Yeah, that is a God thing. Because it would have been an easy way out. Oh, yeah, yeah, fine. Sure. You're gonna spread that misery around to others, be a participant in their, in their sin as well, you know, because, because you, you, you're two people doing it to each other at the same time as you're doing it to yourself. And then you're gonna make it okay to be a gay Republican, which is really bad, Milo. And then you're just gonna, you're just gonna get to that. No, no. You got five long decades of making it. So I, I, I know, I know I'm dragging my feet at the moment because I'm enjoying this kind of interregnum fiction of being retired when in actual fact, you know who I work for. And I'm like working like a dog all day, every day. But I enjoy the, you know, I always like to make it look easy. So I always try to have an air of studied nonchalance. So I try to, I like to have this, I have this sort of thing I like. Oh, no, I'm retired. I'm retired. I'm retired. Sorry. You don't deserve me. I'm retired. But I know that at some point it will have to happen.
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Yeah, I think so. I mean, I would definitely like Augustine.
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Not yet.
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Well, you'll know. I think you'll know when the moment comes. I think God puts people in certain, in their path for a reason. And I think you've lived through it.
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Right now, I know he wants me to do what I'm doing now because the person I'm working for needs me in certain ways. And I know that I have to finish that task. But after that, it'll be time to return to my duties.
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Yeah, exactly. I think so. And next time you're going to be. I think you're going to be completely sober in a few years. Years sober from everything. Now, come on, the English can get sober.
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I'm British. Look, we, it's like. That would be like saying, go to a therapist. It's ridiculous. What we do instead is we, we bury it. We bury it. We bury it. We drink and we invade Ghana. You. No, there will be, there will never be a day when I don't. You know, I'm getting better. I will say this. Look, Aderall got me off cocaine. I, I continue. I continually take steps in good, positive Healthy directions. I found myself being irritated with the fact that a medication I was on was getting in the way of my prayer life. And I was like, oh, my God, who am I? Who have I become? It's just because I was like stumbling over my words and I was like, this is annoying. Oh, God. Pick the narcotics or the Blessed Mother, Milo. Who are you? So I have confronted with those kinds of things now, now. And normally don't disappoint myself, but you will prize a Pinot Grigio out of my cold, dead hands, girl. It is part of our holiest ceremony. Wine. It is the substance that our Lord has chosen to manifest in drinking is Catholic. Catholic drink. That's all there is to it. I have never trusted teetotal people. I regard anybody who doesn't drink with extreme suspicion and contempt. Honestly, to be honest with you, which is brilliant. Everyone in America, but so many. Nobody drinks anymore. I was very reassured to hear that you had a glass of wine under social pressure, which means that you are not one of those people.
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I did have a glass of wine. Or social pressure.
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You did. You did. But one solitary glass of wine, your whole life is not going to do too much damage, especially a bit. But that's reassuring because it means you're not one of the bad guys. But there are people who would have said no.
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Honestly, now, I probably would say no. It's just part of being a mom. You gotta be up.
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So now you've got an excuse. You've got babies. I have to be up early with the cats, but I am still going to drink myself to sleep. No, look, I'm not going to say that I have the perfect clean and pious life. I don't. But I will say, within very narrow limits, I do. You know, I do like a drink. Whatever. And. And to some extent, it is a. I'm not making excuses for. For, you know, this is classic sinner move about to happen here. Well, really, it's because it stops me doing this worse thing. But it does, you know, the fact, you know, having a couple glass of wine, going to sleep instead of being up all night like I would have been before. And 3:00am when the, you know, 3:00am Is the witching hour for your libido, you know, instead having drifted off nicely after a whiskey with a cat in my arm and a book on my lap, that for me is a way better way to end the day than spending six hours tossing and turning, wrestling with the semen demon. Sorry. So I have to call them that because I found that the Most effective way to leave things behind was to make them ridiculous. So that it was sort of preposterous that I can't even imagine myself doing it. It like sex with black people. Black. Are you crazy? Like, I, I like tried to make it into a joke and now I kind of like laugh when I hear it, so it sort of feels like it was somebody else. So, you know, I just turned everything into sort of an, I turned everything into, into an absurdity that is absurd, that is disordered, you know, so, so that, that was helpful for me because I, I, you know, it's difficult to, to stay horny when you're laughing. So. Although the British. Anyway, so I think I have maybe a prematurely geriatric life and routine from which I will emerge one day. But right now, while I'm staying on the straight and narrow, not falling off the wagon as far as the gay stuff goes, and continuing to put in a good day's work for our friend and getting better with my spiritual life all the time, I mean, I learned Latin for goodness sake.
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That's fantastic.
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Drug addicts don't learn Latin in their spare time. But I got a tutor for three years and now I can translate the Gospels and I understand the liturgies.
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That's amazing.
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It is amazing.
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That is truly amazing.
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It is amazing. It is amazing. It's the best thing I ever did my whole life. It is amazing. That kind of stuff I think is really important to me to have a decade off. I'm a self indulgent, lazy piece of you know what, and I have the personality I have Gail straight, but I am self indulgent. But I have tried to use the self indulgent time somewhat wisely and I think I have. When I come back, I'm going to be deadly. But.
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B
Well, Milo, no one's ever doubted that you're brilliant and so what, you'll fill your time?
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No, it's very, it's exhausting, you know, it's suffocating. I've always wanted to be more oblivious, you know, I wanted to go through life, you know, like a woman or, or, or, or an ethnic minority, just sort of enjoying the, the sort of drift. But I've always been sort of hyper aware and so just, just meandering through life, you know, you don't have that, but, but you know, just sort of, I don't know. I can't remember if I parked on the third or the fourth floor. I would love not to remember details. I would love not to notice things. I would love not to draw connections. I would love, I love it if I didn't know when people close to me were lying to me. And I always do because I have this pattern matching brain that notices everything they're doing. I'm like, why are you lying to me? Maybe there's a good reason, but it makes me sad every time and I would love to take all those dials down. It's a great curse to be witty, brilliant, handsome, popular and successful. Successful. There's a great line in David Brooks book or something about how Disney punishes athletic kids because it tells these ugly duckling failings to which they cannot possibly relate. And, you know, sort of it's the popular athletic kids at school who are the raw victims because they don't have any stories that speak to their lives. It's all about like, you know, it's all about losers and also Rands and where's the kids book for the cheerleader? Where's the kids book for the quarterback? I like to say, you know, I've lived a life of extraordinary ease and privilege, but I've never allowed that to stand in my way. No, I think I know when I have conversations with people like you who are insightful and have integrity and gently, in that lovely way, remind me I've got lots left to do.
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I'm in such mom mode. I'm always momming everyone.
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I didn't have a nice moment. I had. I had a cocaine addict. So, you know, I didn't have a mother. I had. I had.
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Because you can do better. That's it. It's like, you know, if you. We all can do better. So, I mean, that makes sense. I'm excusing myself from that. But you're brilliant. And I obviously, a lot of my political philosophy, or the beginning of my political philosophy really began with reading you when you were on Bright Bar. And I know you have a lot to contribute and I got. I got to read the Political side. But you've lived through a lot, you know, being a sex abuse victim, someone.
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Who feels like Lauryn Hill. I can't do a second album after this much pressure.
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But you're. I do think you're. I think there's a lot of people that could.
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I will tell you this, a decade of imitators, and really nobody comes close. It's been very sad, very tragic to watch. You've blossomed remarkably and beautifully into somebody very formidable. And a couple of other people have. But other than that, it's quite a sorry field, isn't it?
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It's Starting to look like our architecture.
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Yeah. No, but no, it's flimsy.
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Very appealing.
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No, I mean, you look at.
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It's getting really, really basic out there.
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The standard. I mean, the discourse on the conservative right.
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Interesting at all.
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It's. It's 20 IQ points lower even than it was in 2015.
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It's so basic.
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We were smart in 2015.
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Starter pack.
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We were funny. We were smart. And now.
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Interesting.
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Yeah. And now you have like three clans. And one of them just says Jew, Jew, Jew all day, and one of them says this and one of them says that. It's just. It's so intolerably dull, boring. Not one of them has ever been to an art gallery. Not one of them has ever read a real book. You know, I mean, I will. I will eat this, Mike if, you know, if it emerges that Nick Fuentes has ever read any book cover to cover. These people don't know anything. So it does frustrate me.
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I think part of it is that even the people, maybe at some point people were reading books. And then I think the problem is once you have a platform.
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Well, they were reading mine, and then I retired. It's my fault.
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Once you have a platform and you're in that feedback loop and people are like, you're amazing, you're great. Maybe people stop learning. They don't become less interested. I think that they've arrived at the end, the concept inclusion.
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I did write a lot of bad books for other people, which has contributed to the general collapse in standards because I. I've been ghostwriting in those 10 years. And, and, and you know, the kinds of people you're ghostwriting for, they're not intellectuals. And. And so, you know, I think. I think I've really. It's all my fault, isn't it?
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Yeah.
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I made it. I made it dumb, fake and gay.
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Yeah. I think that is actually a perfect place to end it. It's all. It's all Milo's faul. Everything dumb, gay. And this is the problem that we find ourselves in American society. Everything is dumb, fake and gay because of Mil Yopoulos.
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I'm so sorry.
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It could have been better. I'm sorry, you guys.
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Sorry. I'm going to buy a castle in Hungary and, you know. Wish you the best.
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B
Milo, thank you so much for joining.
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Thank you.
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We're definitely going to have you back.
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Thank you. Love.