Candace Owens Podcast: "DEAD OR ALIVE: Who Betrayed Charlie Kirk?" | Ep 245

Date: September 30, 2025

Host: Candace Owens

Overview

In this solo episode, Candace Owens delves further into the ongoing investigation of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, scrutinizing the shifting narratives around his death, particularly regarding his relationship with Israel, Turning Point USA, and those close to him. With palpable frustration, Candace dissects newly uncovered details, challenges Turning Point USA and associated figures to clarify conflicting accounts, and calls out what she sees as suspicious inconsistencies and calculated dishonesty among political insiders. She also provides updates on the efforts to identify two mysterious individuals connected to the case, and directly addresses her audience’s support and skepticism.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. No "Fakeness" or "Gayness": Candace's Investigation Ethos

• Candace reaffirms her commitment to an unfiltered, honest exploration of events, criticizing those she accuses of spreading "little lies" and manipulating the public narrative.
  • Quote (00:13): "All lies will be revealed, and we're going to help reveal those lies."
• Candace takes issue with efforts to posthumously frame Charlie Kirk as "dying as a friend of Israel," promising to challenge that narrative.

2. Phil Lyman and Family’s Involvement

A. Roles, Relationships, and Evasive Behavior

• Candace scrutinizes Phil Lyman (Utah gubernatorial candidate) and his family’s pervasive involvement in the investigation.
• She clarifies a previous misstatement about "Nick" working on Lyman’s campaign—he did not.
• Lyman’s nephew (or cousin), Shaner Broderick, notably retraced the killer’s footpath and mapped the crime scene for the media.
• Phil Lyman disputes being Shaner's uncle, despite public social media evidence to the contrary. Broderick has since wiped his digital presence.

B. Mysterious Friends and International Links

• Focus on identifying two friends seen with Shaner Broderick:
  • Candace is struck by the inability to identify them through local channels, suggesting they may be foreigners.
  • One is identified as Austrian software engineer Gurno/Gurnot Omer, recently moved to Utah (11:19).
  • The other may be connected to a “gothic underground” in Provo, Utah, but remains "unidentified."

3. Phil Lyman’s Story Inconsistencies

• Contradictory Accounts: Candace plays Phil Lyman’s statements on Alex Jones and News Nation, exposing inconsistencies regarding his location and actions at the time of the shooting.
  • Quote (15:01): Phil Lyman (on News Nation): "I had to go meet some people ... I heard a loud bang ... I ran out to see who it was."
• Correction (15:53): Candace uses metadata and video evidence to show Phil Lyman was inside the Sorenson Building at 12:23pm, calmly walking out post-shooting, contrary to his description of panic.
  • Candace debunks the "goth girl" narrative, noting the individuals in question were simply wearing black, not exhibiting suspicious behavior.

4. The Unidentified “Goth” Friend

• Research led to a partial identification of the second friend via a goth-themed Provo website (Buzzard and Bees)—but he's still publicly unconfirmed. Candace strongly suspects the individual may be foreign due to a lack of community recognition.

5. Detective Mike Mitchell: Undercover Ties

• Tips suggest Detective Mitchell, previously hard to find in news coverage, was an undercover online detective specializing in sex crime stings (Salt Lake County Sheriff’s Office, 1999).
  • Quote (19:19): "Mitchell, a detective with the Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office, has been investigating child sex crimes on the Internet for about a year."
• Candace speculates about his potential connection to other suspect figures, raising the possibility of blackmail and orchestrated actions on the day of the murder.

6. International and Institutional Anomalies

• Candace notes an influx of "new faces" and institutional changes before the event:
  • Charlie’s altered security arrangements before the tour.
  • Unusual two-stop, 20 days apart Utah campus tour schedule (uncharacteristic for Turning Point USA).
  • Charlie taken to a non-ideal trauma hospital (Timpanogos Regional Hospital) with a new CEO/surgeon.
  • The Utah FBI office’s abrupt leadership shake-up days before the killing.

7. Challenging the Official "Pro-Israel" Narrative

• Candace calls out Israeli sources and Turning Point USA for promoting Charlie’s supposed May "love letter" to Israel’s Netanyahu, which she claims doesn’t square with his actual recent sentiments.
  • Quote (56:10): "Charlie Kirk’s perspective on Israel was not starting to shift. It had shifted entirely. … Charlie was done. He said it explicitly that he refused to be bullied anymore by the Jewish donors."
• Challenge issued: Candace demands that Turning Point USA issue a public statement confirming or denying that Charlie, 48 hours before his death, renounced pro-Israel stances due to donor pressure and wanted to reinstate Candace Owens.
  • Quote (58:50): "I'm going to challenge Turning Point USA executives to issue a very clean statement saying that I am lying if this is not true."

8. Political and Personal Reflections

• Candace’s disgust with the political class is palpable:
  • Quote (1:15:32): "Politics sickens me. … It is all about money, okay? They all sell their souls for money and there are no real relationships."
• She frames the Kirk assassination as a “regicide”—removal of a leader to install someone Charlie would never have approved—implying betrayal from close associates and a cover-up for financial/political motivations.

9. Audience Interactions and Closing Messages

• Candace reads and responds to supporter comments, emphasizing the spiritual and cultural stakes.
  • Quote (1:19:01, from Rose): "Truth is all that matters and Christ is King."
• She encourages homeschooling to shield children from ideological capture.
  • Quote (1:21:05): "There is a real underground. It is a communist underground. … The one resource that these people want are your children."
• She expresses gratitude for her audience’s engagement and “God intuition” in seeking the truth, despite media gaslighting.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• "All lies will be revealed, and we're going to help reveal those lies." (00:13) – Candace Owens
• "No one emailed us to say that they knew either of those two individuals ... It was making me believe maybe those two individuals are like, I don't know, from overseas." (09:32) – Candace Owens
• [On Lyman's contradictory story] "A couple of those statements are what I would describe as little lies. … At 12:23, according to his metadata ... he calmly walked out of Sorenson Building." (15:53) – Candace Owens
• "I'm going to challenge Turning Point USA executives to issue a very clean statement saying that I am lying if this is not true..." (58:50) – Candace Owens
• "Charlie Kirk’s perspective on Israel was not starting to shift. It had shifted entirely. … Charlie was done." (56:10) – Candace Owens
• “Politics sickens me. … It is all about money, okay? They all sell their souls for money and there are no real relationships.” (1:15:32) – Candace Owens
• “Go with your gut. There's something there. … We have a God intuition. That is our gut. Your gut instinct is your God instinct.” (1:24:40) – Candace Owens

Important Segment Timestamps

• 00:00 – 06:10: Show theme, update on investigation, Lyman family involvement.
• 11:09 – 11:19: Austrian friend of Shaner Broderick identified via YouTube clip.
• 12:55 – 15:53: Phil Lyman's conflicting public accounts (Alex Jones, News Nation) dissected.
• 15:53 – 18:25: Video and audio debunking of "goth girl" story.
• 19:19 – 20:46: Detective Mike Mitchell’s undercover work and implications.
• 56:10 – 58:50: Candace lays out Charlie Kirk's final stance on Israel, issues public challenge.
• 1:15:32: Candid reflections on political corruption.
• 1:24:40: Candace on trusting intuition and rejecting gaslighting.

Conclusion

Candace Owens uses this episode to intensify scrutiny over the official explanations and behaviors surrounding Charlie Kirk’s assassination, unearthing fresh details, directly confronting leading figures at Turning Point USA, and highlighting puzzling inconsistencies that reinforce her suspicions of a deeper cover-up. Her tone is bold, indignant, and relentless, energizing her core audience to continue seeking answers, questioning authority, and resisting mainstream narratives—even as vicious attacks and accusations mount against her.

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Next time: More promised on Charlie’s wound details and ongoing investigation updates.