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The amount of people who attacked me for sending out a tweet being like, hey, I'm good. I'm a lie. We had a very productive conversation. And they were like, she got the call. She got the call. She's betrayed us. She's doing something else. I can't believe it. This has all just been a show. Calm down, okay? What do you think happened? Erica said, stop, and then I was frozen for four and a half, four hours and 30 minutes. Just like as they just put all of these talking points into my head. That is not what happens. I keep telling you guys, I am not governable. I am basically akin to Kanye West. I never felt more seen than when he tweeted a lot of years ago. Just fired my manager because I realized I can't be managed. That is me. That tweet right there, I was like, oh, gosh, yes, Kanye, that. I get this, okay? Nobody is changing their mind. Anything. How ridiculous would it have been if I'm doing all of this investigating, asking all of these questions, and then Erica Kirk offers to answer some of these questions? And I'm like, no, I'm not gonna go. I can't betray the people. I don't want any answers to the questions. I just want to ask them. No. This is the entire reason we are doing this. We've been looking at the situation going, why can't Turning Point USA just answer basic questions? And I can tell you guys that yesterday, for four hours and 30 minutes, there were no rules. They said, you can say, you can ask us any question. That you want anything that's on your mind, which I appreciated. And some of you guys are thinking, who is they? Who is they? It's the Jews, obviously. Just kidding. It's Justin Strife. Justin Strife was in the room. It was just Justin Strife and Erica. George joined me just for the beginning portion of the conversation because he had that thing going on that I told you on the 15th all day. He was in a conference. And then I brought my cousin Mia, you know, the one that has a really bad attitude. I just bring her there for vibes. I think it just confuses people. They're like, I don't. I don't understand what's this person doing here? And the reality is she's, like, always just listening to Cardi B music, but she's my cousin, and I always have her around. And so that was it. She was kind of sitting a little bit away, but at the table, it was just. It was really just the four of us until George left. And I will be honest, I did not know what to expect going into the room. I did not know if they were going to be open. I didn't know what Erica's energy was going to be like, if it was going to be more of an argument, if there was going to be legal threats. You guys were telling me not to drink water, so I didn't drink water. Well, I brought my own water, but I didn't drink that water, too. It was a lot. There's a lot going on. Okay. And the conversation started with Justin Strife very sensibly saying, what are we looking to accomplish here? Like, what is the actual aim of this conversation? And he was pretty clear in. Erica is very clear that they were sort of most upset with what I. Obviously a bit of a fever pitch. What. I tweeted that it was a godforsaken company and people should not give money to it. And I have to own that. That's aggressive. That is actually aggressive. In the retrospect, I was very frustrated, and I don't know, I just. I felt like we weren't getting any answers, and there were so many lies, and then I was getting attacked for asking all meaningful questions that was within their capacity to answer. And. And I've told you, I. I definitely. My problem in life is that I can rise to anger very quickly. I shared with them that I really felt like I was under attack for telling the truth from the very beginning. Like, casually, when I mentioned the Catholicism thing, like, what was that about? I was like, look, I say something in a tribute to him. Alex Clark and Andrew Colvette then jump onto a podcast and they're doing that weird interview which is clearly aimed at me. They've teased the interview. It's like aimed at me, but they never say my name. And that to me felt like it was the first. I got the first bit of mud that was slung, which it their answer for that was, hey, that was a really crazy time there. A new system had to be put into place. And by no means did Erica give any person the authority to go out and say that the cafal something was a lie. It kind of turned into this big thing and whatever. Okay, that kind of obviously was not the meat of the reason that we wanted to sit down. I will say I was immediately refreshed by the fact that one of the first things that Erica did was she owned the lies. The lies, or rather, I guess they would cage it as miscommunications that were coming from various people at the company. Like, look, this is a company with 650 people that are employed. Everybody at this time is exceedingly emotional and they are communicating. And no matter what somebody says on Twitter, they assume that this communication has come down from management. And that's not always a circumstance. But they owned right away, which felt great. That if you guys recall, we. Erica sat down with Glenn Beck. I actually missed this portion because I didn't get to watch the interview in its entirety. And we were pulling clips because a lot was coming out very quickly. But there was a portion that was going around that was viral and it was Erica saying that she had Charlie's phone and that Charlie never texted anybody the night before saying that he thought that they were going to kill him. And that obviously reflected poorly on me because I was the one who said that he did in fact text multiple people the night before. And then I went on Jimmy Dore on Friday Jimmy Dore show. And I clarified. I said Andrew Colvette told me specifically that he was one of the people that received this text message. So I got that first person. I didn't get that from a source. I got that directly from Andrew Colvett. And then somebody who had access to Dan Flood's communications said that Dan Flood similarly received a text message. They owned that right away and explained Erica said that she has Charlie's phone. She's looking at his imessages. And it turns out that he, like everybody else, communicates on signal, he communicates on telegram. And that those community, when she heard me say that, they then went and looked and yes, that what I said was true. Andrew Kobat received a message the night before and Dan Flood received a message the night before. Now they asked me if I had actually like a concrete a copy of what Dan Flood got the night before. And I said no. Somebody told me what it said, which was almost exactly what Andrew said, which is, they're going to kill me. Andrew did not know who they were, who they that the day that he was referring to were. But they clarified that the message that Dan Flood received said the left is going to kill me. So I can't confirm that one way or the other. I have to trust them on that because I did not see that concrete message. I was told that it said they. Now, obviously we discussed the moment and I'm laughing here because you tick tockers are actually out of control. You guys are going to be the reason that Israel gets tick tock because you guys are acting a fool all the time. And the videos were so hilarious of you guys mocking the Barry Weiss interview. It's great. It's good to laugh at ourselves. And Barry Weiss is always worth laughing at. But I was sort of like, hey, I felt name checked by the podcaster Candace Owens, this obvious setup and then asking me to stop. And it's interesting to hear Erica say that the reason she didn't ask me to stop in the beginning because she was. She was actually learning things from the show. She was actually learning things. And that I think she similarly felt that Barry Weiss was trying to create a moment. Obviously it's who Barry Weiss is. It's the Zionist lobby. She's trying to write raw perceived wrongs because I'm against her side. That does not surprise me. That's kind of why Barry Weiss exists. That's the reason they put her at CBS is because she's just committed to stacking the audience with people that are going to present the pro Israel cause and talk about anti Semitism and talk about, like crime being on the rise. It's kind of an embarrassment. But I actually do accept that. And I should also clarify that Bari Weiss obviously picked those questions. They were not random. Like I told you, it wasn't like people were coming to the mic and it was an open mic and they didn't know what they were going to get. It was all very much planned by Barry. But every Erica said that she knew the general idea, like they were going to mention me and mention the conspiracies, but she was not given that specific the podcaster Candace Owens question. So I think that's fair to clear that Up. Now, I did not at all recant any of my suspicions, and I understand people disagree with me about particular people. At Turning Point usa, I communicated what I communicated in front of the whole world. I. My skin crawled. After I spoke to Terrell Farnsworth, the person who took the cameras down, he lied to me several times. I explained to them, which felt good to have that direct communication, how Tara lied multiple times, and that I did not understand why he was there that day. They echoed what he said. They defended what he said, that they were trying something new that day, that they typically livestream, which is what Terrell said they typically livestream. And I said, every college event. Well, they said, well, yeah, they live stream the events that are tour stops, but they don't live stream like the outside prove me wrong type events. And that was something that was new and it required Terrell. And I said, even if that was all real, if that was all true, I still didn't feel good about the conversation that I had with Terrell. And I can't ignore my gut about the many little lies that he told. I thought the video he recorded was weird. I know he comes from a very powerful family. I just. I personally do not trust him. And I obviously do not like the fact that I said, you know, Tyler Boyer lied about this thing and said. Came up with an excuse and said, well, Teryl was asked to take the camera down. That's the reason he said on Twitter, because the police wanted him to take it down and secure the footage. And I said, I know that's not true. And they said, well, after all of that, yeah, after he took the cameras down, there was a police officer or. Or fed whoever it was that spoke to him and asked him to secure the footage. Well, that makes sense, but it's not a reason for why he took it down immediately. It makes sense that as you're investigating, you're going to say, who's got the foot? You know, let's lock it down. But it didn't make sense to me that Tyler Boyer lied about it. And I don't trust Tyler Boyer, and that does not. That is never going to change. Similarly with Rob McCoy. He makes my skin crawl. I can't explain it. This is a. I look at him and he's a bad person. And nobody can make me feel one way or the other about that. I was surprised to learn, and this is kind of gets into, I guess, us not knowing the inner workings at Turning Point USA, that Rob McCoy actually does not work with Turning Point USA in any capacity whatsoever. And so him communicating as he has done, like, I'm the pastor, I'm this. I'm. That it's just not real. Like, that is not real, and we should know that that's not real. And when he says that, call him out on that. Separately from Turning Point usa, I was operating under the assumption that he worked for Turning Point usa. And I said, if obviously that's. That's wrong, I'm happy to correct that. But also, what were we to assume when he hit the stage at the memorial and said, I'm America's pastor, and then had the Wikipedia updated and said, well, I'm assuming he had it updated because who else would do that, that he started Turning Point USA faith. So I guess to be clear, we were just wrong about that. And I will have a lot more to say about Rob McCoy and where I believe he fits into a lot of things. So I'm not letting up on that now. One piece of this, where I was, I still don't understand it. And the magic bullet. Okay, now we all recall what happened. I casually say on the show, hey, I saw the footage. There was no blood. And honestly, when I said it, I didn't process how big of a deal that was with the 36. Very quickly, what happens is Andrew Colvett whips up this. This tweet about the. What happened with the bullet. And he said he had wanted to address all the discussion that was being had about the online chatter. I'm obviously paraphrasing here. He says, I apologize, it's going to get graphic. But he spoke with the surgeon. The bullet should have gone through. The surgeon then explained that what he's typically seen on these wounds, and basically this was all a miracle. Charlie saved lives, even in death. And the Internet clocked it, this miracle. The healthy bone. His bone was so healthy and the density was so impressed. Like, this is a quote, by the way, his bone was so healthy. I want to read it. This is allegedly from a surgeon quote, his bone was so healthy and the density was so, so impressive that he's like the man of steel. It should have gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him, too. And we were just like. That kind of was like the beginning of the wtf, right? I feel like that was kind of the beginning of it. And immediately people in the comments responded to Andrew and he said, this individual said, this post is so fake, as it would violate hipaa. Like, there's patient privacy. You can't just call up the surgeon and Then Andrew Colbert replies and says, rest assured, I would not have posted without full permission. Now, he, he said he spoke to the surgeon. And they confirmed that Andrew spoke to the surgeon, but that they did not know that he was going to write that tweet. He did. They did not know that he called up the surgeon. So, like, it very much came across to be like Andrew was just flying by the seat of his pants. I, I, I don't, I don't know. Like he was just flying dark on. And I was like, that seems very strange to me because why would a surgeon do that? Like, the first thing the surgeon should say is, I can't speak to you. I don't even know. In theory, Andrew wasn't even there when Charlie died. I don't even know why the surgeon even knows this guy. Actually. Maybe he hung around after. But, you know, Andrew was not one of the people that got into the hospital or anything like that. So this is, this is quite literally the PR guy who's calling the surgeon. And so that, that just seems, that just seems very inappropriate for a person to do, period. And I would say it was kind of the beginning, but that was, that was what I got from that. Now, obviously, we discussed the security. I brought up Brian Harpole, this interview with Sean Ryan, and I think we can believe Turning Point when they say that they did not approve of this. They had no idea he was going on Sean Ryan. I think that's pretty clear. I don't believe he works there anymore. So that was kind of him just getting out there and perhaps trying to rescue his own reputation. And I think that that only made his reputation more worse, actually, because people rightfully sensed that he wasn't telling the truth in that interview, that he was being cagey, that he was saying things that didn't make any sense. Again, you constantly have these people that believe, like Brian Harle, that with enough performance he can sit down and you're just going to convince people that this is real and this is just a different time. Like I said, these tiktokers are out of control. They will check you in four seconds. Okay. Things that the biggest piece of this that I want to communicate and that I did communicate to them and I hope that they took me seriously on this or rather that they, that they take my strong advice on this. I said, one of the reasons why I really want to sit down is because I want to walk out of here and feel confident saying to my audience, hey, like, there's stuff going on behind the scenes. But Tyler Robinson Shot Charlie Kirk, like that more will come out. But you can take it from me that this is what happened. I was looking to achieve that because there's been a lot of signalings from various people, some people who are experts, some people have been involved in cases that there's obviously going to be stuff that the public does not have access to. And so it is at least plausible that they have seen very clear footage that we've been asking for of Tyler Robinson getting up there and taking the shot. Like they have access to UVU camera. So I was hoping to hear that and I said that I was. I want to hear why people feel so confident at Turning Point USA that Tyler Robinson is the guy. And at this point they elected to call the lawyer. Like, you know, their, their lawyer who is involved in this case, one of the lawyers that's involved in this case. There's always a team of lawyers, especially for something like this. And what I got from the lawyer did not make me feel that Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk. It did not make me feel confident that Charlie, that Teddy didn't or did shoot Charlie Kirk. I was very surprised by this. He spoke a very long time. I asked, you know, can you share with me what it is? And I said, when you share this with me, I will not say what that thing is. If that's what we, if we want to protect the integrity of the case, I'm not going to. If you say we've got the footage of him taking a shot, I'm. I promise I won't say that to the audience, but I will communicate to them that you have something that is solid and no to, to the exact contrary. This guy effectively said, not effectively, he said that they have nothing like. But the affidavit. Okay, so what you have, what we have seen is what they have, what people, what is being discussed publicly. You are this whole like non expert problem with like. Well, you don't know. It's like what you read his messages that don't have any dates on it. Tyler Robinson writing out everything in the clean alibi. That's what they have. And what he explained to me was that that's the affidavit stage. That's where that's where it's at. And then what takes place now is the investigation is ongoing. Right. So right now they're looking for more information. And once investigators, they could very well have obviously footage. And that is why they might feel that over definitely get this prosecution. But the reality is is they don't actually share that information. With the victim. They don't share that information with Erica. They don't. In this part of the process, they will not know what investigators have discovered. This is what the lawyer told me until May. Okay? They will not. They have not seen anything that you have not seen is what I want you to know. So with that in mind, I'm sitting here going, why are you signaling? Why are. Why do I feel like the public's being gaslit on this? There's been nothing that's convincing. There are so many commentators who have gone out and said to you, it's overwhelming. The evidence is overwhelming. The text messages that don't have a date, that don't even sound real, that's overwhelming. That to me feels really fake and gay. I really do want to say that to every commentator that is out there trying to tell the public and insisting that if you say it enough times to become real, you're, you're actually just being dishonest. And I offer that a more honest way to communicate would be to say, we think he's involved. We feel strongly. I've said that I think he's involved. We are very hopeful that throughout this investigation we are going to get that concrete thing. And that's where we're at right now. That's just the stage that we are at. That is not what we are getting from them. That is like, I just, I just feel like that's really important to let you guys know. Let the gaslighting stop. They have what you have. Okay? There is nothing else. They are in an investigative stage. Erica has been named as the victim. They will know more in this May hearing, which is the probable cause hearing. That's what the lawyer told me. It's probable cause hearing. And that's when they will see the evidence. That's when they get to present the evidence. Why they are going to stand there before a judge and be like, yes, we need to move this forward. It's not just an affidavit. We're not pulling together scraps. We have concrete evidence. Until then, okay? Until we all get on the same page and understand what else they have, I am very confident, stating the opposite of all of my, I guess, well paid peers in that I don't believe that Tyler Robinson pulled the trigger. And what I also said to them was, and I said this in front of the lawyer because I don't, I don't know why I'm like this. I was like, you might need a new lawyer. I was like, because this person's trying to sell to you that this is solid. One of the rules that me and my husband have is that if you have a lawyer that tells you like, you're 100% going to win, it's very, it's very clear that you're going to win. You need a new lawyer. Okay. That's a cheerleader. It's not. That's not a lawyer. A lawyer, even if you, you should 100%. When should be telling you the risks here. You know, I feel good about this case. Like, let me talk real to you. I feel good about this case, but here's where things could go wrong. I want you to understand those risks that are involved. We don't have this yet. We don't have that yet. And especially given what I told them, which is I'm the only your lawyers or the investigators, rather not their lawyers, because they're not the ones investigating. It's the state of Utah that's investigating. They have not called the one solitary person, as I told you guys, who filmed as he was on the roof. Remember the guy that's like, oh, there's somebody on the roof, and he sees him crouch down. I said, I spoke to that person and his testimony would be devastating to your prosecution. He did not. He saw the person on the roof. He filmed the person on the roof at 12:23pm and he did not see that person take the shot. And this is not some random student. This is a guy who just trains people to shoot guns at a range. He knows guns. Okay? He saw, he said what he saw was a smaller gun. He said that this person was dressed in black tactical gear and there was no recoil. That's devastating to. That would be devastating to the prosecution. And yet investigators haven't reached out. Now, they offered back. Well, maybe they haven't reached out because they have an even clearer video where he. And that's. That's true. That's actually a good rebuttal. They're like, we don't even have to talk to this guy because the video will speak for itself. And we saw. We saw what we saw. There's a. There. Okay, but wouldn't you still want to speak to the other guy so you could prepare, I don't know, to, to question him. Something I, I don't like if this investigation is going on. And I've apparently. Or. I feel as though I spoke to more people than they have. I spoke. Both of the people who filmed videos that day told me that they weren't reached out to. So I don't. I don't understand what's happening here. I don't understand the confidence, I guess, is the best way to say this. I told him, I do not understand the confidence that is happening now. Another really big thing that happened was they brought me Mikey's call locks, okay? They brought me Mikey's call logs. And that is why I said this was a productive meeting. There is no other way to say it. I asked every question, and they came with paperwork to show and to answer and to explain certain things also, which was, I thought, actually kind of sweet that I guess I'm. You know, I did. On the previous show, I was, like, kind of looking at things into Mikey, and I couldn't find him. And someone said, I think Mikey's not his, like, real name. Like, they thought it was his middle name, actually. And I just assumed, okay, well, maybe he's using his middle name, and that's why I can't find him. But Mikey really wants you guys to know that is his real name, and it is his real name. I found out shortly thereafter that they were confusing his middle name with they. They thought it was switched, that Michael is his real name. Just to clarify that, because I realized I actually didn't go back and clarify that, but Mikey's call logs. Big piece of this. Okay, I'm going to, I guess, jog your memory on what Blake said about Mikey that day, and then I'll tell you what actually happened, because I don't think Blake has that great of a memory. Okay, Take a listen.