Candace Ep 258: Explosive Revelations in the Charlie Kirk Case, The McCoy Intrigue, and Israeli Cell Phones

Release Date: November 4, 2025
Host: Candace Owens

Episode Overview

This episode of Candace features Candace Owens solo, diving deep into the latest developments concerning the unresolved assassination of Charlie Kirk. Candace presents a range of new and controversial details, lingering suspicions about the Turning Point USA inner circle, the unexpected roles of Mikey and Rob McCoy, and an explosive claim about Israeli cell phones present at the scene. She scrutinizes media narratives, exposes what she sees as establishment cover-ups, and sets out her unapologetic vision for an adversarial, truth-seeking conservatism. The tone is acerbic, skeptical, and intensely personal.

Key Topics and Discussion Points

1. The Subconscious, Programming, and Mikey McCoy "The Amazing"

• Candace starts by exploring the power of the subconscious in spotting oddities ("never ignore your subconscious" [01:30]).
• She notes persistent use of superlative adjectives—"amazing", "heroic", "brilliant"—whenever Mikey McCoy is mentioned after Kirk’s death.
  • Examples (from speeches/interviews, 02:49-03:24):
    • "The great Mikey McCoy showed up." [02:52, Speaker B]
    • "My husband's chief of staff, the amazing Mikey McCoy." [03:00, Speaker C]
    • "My friend Mikey McCoy, the brilliant 24-year-old..." [03:05, Speaker B]
• Candace finds this abnormal and possibly a sign of "programming":

  "I don't feel the need ever to qualify any of my friends with an adjective...Why do I feel like you're trying to program me?" [03:24, Candace]

2. Mikey as Charlie’s Heir Apparent? Succession, Journals, and Media Coverage

• She lays out her suspicion that Mikey is being "primed" to succeed Kirk.

• At a memorial event, speakers speak extensively of Mikey's wisdom, heroism, and parallels to Kirk's path:

  • "I'm hoping that Mikey one day will follow in Charlie's footsteps right to the college campus..." [05:20, Speaker B]
  • "Our speaker today, Mikey McCoy, has done that." [05:46, Speaker F]

• Rob McCoy, Mikey's father, awkwardly references Kirk's journals upon being asked about Mikey's future at TPUSA—implying a succession plan without outright stating it:

  "When Erica started opening up his journals after he was killed...there's an order of succession." [06:44-07:11, Rob McCoy/D]

• Candace’s interpretation:

  "He's like, so when Erica comes out and she does the amazing Mikey McCoy, he talks about the journals. What's going on here?" [07:30, Candace]
  "I think Mikey was promised or told or encouraged that he would become the new Charlie." [08:10]

• Insider sentiment is Mikey seemed unusually upbeat after Kirk's death—"had an extra spring in his step."

  "For whatever reason...he seemed all too happy to assume Charlie's position." [08:40]

3. Odd Timing and Intimate Access: The McCoy Family Deep Dive

Mikey's Sudden Interest in Filming Kirk (Korea Trip & Family Vacation)

• Mikey mic’d up Kirk for the first time just days before his death—unprecedented for his role as chief of staff:
  • "[Kirk's] dream to always go to Asia...I brought the camera with me. I've never traveled with a camera before, but decided it would be a good idea to mic Charlie up, do some content with him while we're there.” [10:18, Mikey/E]
• Mikey and his wife joined Kirk’s family “vacation” on what they described as their first joint family trip, capturing now-viral intimate footage just weeks prior to Kirk’s assassination:
  • "We spent a few weeks together this summer. Our first family trip together." (Instagram post, cited by Candace at 10:50+)
• Cynicism about the serendipity of Mikey/the McCoys being present to film:

  "Strikes me as odd that Mikey is just picking up the camera and capturing these moments. I don't know. For the first time ever. I don't like it. I don't like it at all.” [11:30]

Rob McCoy’s Resignation and Move to Phoenix

• Rob McCoy, longtime pastor of Godspeak Calvary Chapel, transitioned to "emeritus" status in July 2025 (after 17 years), relinquishing day-to-day leadership.
• Rob and wife sold their California home for a new Phoenix-area home, cited specifically as prompted by his “growing responsibilities” at Turning Point USA.
• He also listed another California property for sale on August 24, 2025.
• Candace connects these timelines: “The Fantastic, heroic, sensational McCoys were pretty busy this summer. And I don't like it at all. I just don't like it. The vibes for me are not good.” [15:50]

4. Timeline of Key Events: July – September 2025

Candace ties suspicious activity together with a reconstructed timeline:

• July 11, 2025: Tucker Carlson gives his infamous speech calling out Bill Ackman and discussing Israel, suggesting Americans with dual citizenship or service in foreign armies should lose citizenship. [16:50]
• July 18, 2025: UVU requests TPUSA/Kirk event; "instantly accepted" and made the very first stop of Kirk’s tour—a peculiarity, per Candace. [17:00]
• September 10, 2025: Kirk assassination at UVU. [19:05]

Security Failures at UVU Event

• Late event scheduling, no ambulance present (in violation of Utah law), university refusal to release security plan, and rumors about a venue change—all highlighted by Candace as "unusual" and "extraordinary." [19:03-19:53]

5. Explosive Revelation: 12 Israeli Cell Phones at the Scene

Key Bombshell
Candace breaks a story she says both the Trump administration and national security insiders are desperate to suppress, confirming:

"There were, for whatever reason, 12 Israeli cell phones on the ground at Utah Valley University the day that Charlie Kirk was assassinated." [21:25]

• Not VPN use—actual phone accounts opened in Israel, physically present at the event.
• Knowledge of this has "completely spooked the people very high up in government."
• Among those alleged to know: the NSA, Kash Patel, and people "in the current administration."
• Candace taunts those involved to deny her claim publicly:

  "If Cash Patel is done crying about the mean tweets on the Internet regarding his sensational singing girlfriend, he can also certainly make the time of day to deny what I am saying if it is untrue." [22:40]

• "If there's nothing to hide, then there's nothing to hide." [23:49]
• Offers devil's advocate scenarios (exchange students, tourists, etc.) but asserts:

  "We need to know the answer to this question. Why are they hiding this information?" [24:12]

• Refers to the absence of any explanation as "secrets," unacceptable in the context of a murdered public figure.

6. Critique of the Conservative Establishment & Voter Threat

• Candace attacks establishment Republicans for demanding loyalty and calls to “vote” while, in her view, lying about Kirk's death.

  "I'm not voting until this is resolved, okay? This is toxic. You are toxic." [29:45]

• Suggests there is only "power and the rest of us"—left/right labels are meaningless compared to institutional corruption.
• Uses a vintage TRL clip ("What do you do for the community?” “Nothing.”) [31:57] as a metaphor for her own intended participation:

  "To the Republicans. I send you love. But what I will be doing for the broader community until you start telling the truth is nothing." [32:14]

7. Highlights from Tucker Carlson & Dave Smith Discussion

• Tucker defends his interview with Nick Fuentes, arguing that blood guilt and collective punishment are "antithetical to Christianity and the West":

  “There is no such thing as blood guilt. Therefore, collective punishment is always immoral.” [33:18, Tucker]

• Carlson critiques Israel’s policy and ideological stance as fundamentally non-Western and anti-Christian (“Israel does not have a Western position on this question.” [33:50])
• Candace: "We very much don't live in a Christian society because we live in a Christian Zionist society. And Christian Zionism is a...paradox." [34:36]
• Tucker on forgiveness and the necessity to avoid permanent enemies:

  "I don't think we should have permanent enemies who are American citizens...forgiveness is essential. People change. Allow for that." [36:18-37:00]

• Candace draws a sharp line between "the spirit" guiding Carlson versus the "gangster" mentality she perceives among mainstream conservative Zionist commentators.

8. Audience Q&A and Additional Reflections

Candace fields comments on:

• The readiness of George Zinn to take blame in the Kirk episode—echoes of possible cover or scapegoating.
• Israel/Egypt intelligence collaboration: "Intel chiefs have met often, share real time data. Honestly, few countries make more sense working together." [Audience Q&A, ~48:00]
• Skepticism about dinosaurs and the moon landing; belief that acceptance of scientism is a form of social programming ("I also don't believe the moon landings happen. So you can cut that clip because they didn't happen. That's crazy. More scientism." [~44:00])
• Ongoing investigations: promises more information on the "Egyptian plane" and continued scrutiny of inconsistencies.

Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the McCoys’ "Programming"

  “I would not move to insist that someone was quote unquote, heroic for walking away from their friend after he was shot...” [03:24]

• Rob McCoy on Kirk's succession plan:

  “When Erica started opening up his journals after he was killed, she started reading, ‘Charlie had a plan all the way through 2028.’ There’s an order of succession.” [06:44-07:03]

• On Israeli cell phones at the crime scene:

  “There were, for whatever reason, 12 Israeli cell phones on the ground at Utah Valley University the day that Charlie Kirk was assassinated. [...] Not VPNs—accounts opened in Israel.” [21:25]

• On Voter Disengagement:

  “I'm not voting until this is resolved, okay? This is toxic. You are toxic.” [29:45]

• On Zionism in American Christianity:

  “We very much don't live in a Christian society because we live in a Christian Zionist society. And Christian Zionism is a...paradox. There's no such thing." [34:36]

• Tucker Carlson on blood guilt:

  “There is no such thing as blood guilt. Therefore, collective punishment is always immoral.” [33:18]

Timestamps of Key Segments

| Timestamp | Topic | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------| | 00:00 | Candace opens with subconscious red flags, Mikey | | 02:49-03:24 | Audio montage: "amazing/brilliant/heroic Mikey McCoy" | | 04:52-05:54 | Priming Mikey as Kirk’s successor at TPUSA | | 06:44-07:03 | Rob McCoy on Kirk's journals, succession | | 10:18 | Mikey describes filming Kirk in Korea | | 11:30-12:20 | Questions on organic vs "lucky" family filming | | 15:45 | Rob McCoy resignation and move timeline | | 17:42-19:03 | Fox 13 report on UVU event scheduling/security | | 21:25-24:15 | Revelation of 12 Israeli cell phones at scene | | 29:45 | Candace explains voter disengagement | | 31:57-32:10 | TRL “Nothing” clip metaphor | | 33:01-34:36 | Tucker Carlson/Dave Smith discuss collective guilt| | 35:54-37:00 | Carlson: importance of forgiveness, dialogue |

Conclusion

This episode is dense with insinuation, skepticism, and indictment—from the orchestration of Mikey McCoy’s rise to the sinister possibility of foreign intelligence involvement in a political assassination. Candace positions herself irreconcilably at odds with the "machine," vowing inaction and non-participation until the truth emerges. The show’s tone is urgent and insurgent, with the blunt language and bracing directness fans expect.

For more, Candace encourages following her ongoing “book club” and direct platform, teasing more leaks and investigative scoops to come.