Harvey Speaks: Jessica Mann & The Five Year Affair | Ep 3 - Candace

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Episode: Harvey Speaks: Jessica Mann & The Five Year Affair | Ep 3
Release Date: March 10, 2025
Host: Candace Owens

Introduction

In Episode 3 of her podcast "Candace," Candace Owens delves into the controversial case of Jessica Mann and her alleged five-year affair with Harvey Weinstein. Owens presents a critical examination of Mann's claims, the legal proceedings, and the broader implications within the #MeToo movement. This episode aims to shed light on inconsistencies in Mann's testimony and the judicial process that led to Weinstein's conviction.

The Allegations Against Harvey Weinstein

Candace Owens begins by expressing her skepticism about the judicial proceedings involving Harvey Weinstein and Jessica Mann. She raises questions about the nature of the relationship between Mann and Weinstein, especially considering the lengthy duration of the alleged abuse.

Candace Owens [00:00]: "How does somebody who's free to roam wherever they want, never knew this person until they were 27 years old, get continually raped for over five years? Because that's apparently what happened to Jessica Mann."

Owens critiques the representation by Gloria Allred, highlighting potential conflicts of interest and financial motivations.

Candace Owens [02:30]: "Gloria Allred... takes 40% of whatever it is that they then secure from the man or the business if they go after them. Okay, so she's raking in a ton of money."

Jessica Mann's Testimony and Relationship with Weinstein

The core of the episode focuses on Jessica Mann's account of her relationship with Harvey Weinstein. Owens outlines Mann's background, her move to Los Angeles, and how she met Weinstein at a party.

Jessica Mann Background [05:15]: "Jessica was 27 years old. She was a runaway from home, grew up on a dairy farm in Washington State, and booked a one-way ticket to Burbank, California to pursue acting."

Mann alleges that Weinstein coerced her into sexual encounters under the guise of advancing her acting career. Owens scrutinizes the timeline and communication between Mann and Weinstein post-allegation, suggesting ongoing interactions that contradict the narrative of coercion.

Candace Owens [15:45]: "Five years is just a long time. It's half a decade. And so you might have some questions, and you might want to fill in the details here."

She presents emails exchanged between Mann and Weinstein, highlighting instances where Weinstein continued to offer support and opportunities after the alleged assault.

Email Example [20:10]: "Harvey emails Jessica about meeting for drinks, including a winky face emoji, shortly after her alleged rape."

Contradictions and Jury Perception

Candace Owens points out contradictions between Jessica Mann's testimony and statements from her close friends, particularly Talita Maya. Maya's account suggests a consensual and amicable relationship with Weinstein, casting doubt on Mann's allegations.

Candace Owens [25:30]: "Ms. Maya said that Ms. Mann had willingly walked into the bedroom with Mr. Weinstein. This contradicts Mann's claims of coercion."

Owens also discusses the emotional breakdown Mann experienced during her testimony, questioning whether it influenced the jury's perception.

Candace Owens [32:06]: "Jessica Mann had a panic attack on the stand... Could that have colored the jury, tainted the jury a little bit? I would go with yes."

Post-Trial Communications and Continued Relationship

The episode further explores the post-trial communications between Mann and Weinstein, suggesting an ongoing relationship that undermines the severity of the allegations.

Candace Owens [28:40]: "A year and three months after the alleged rape, Mann emails Weinstein about meeting for drinks, including her mother and a winky face."

She interprets these interactions as indicative of a consensual relationship, challenging the narrative of abuse.

Conclusion and Critical Analysis

Candace Owens concludes the episode by questioning the integrity of the judicial process in high-profile sexual assault cases. She argues that emotional testimonies and societal pressures may lead to unjust convictions.

Candace Owens [33:22]: "If you're wondering when people are pretending that this getting overturned was crazy, it's actually the most sane thing I've ever seen in my entire life."

Owens emphasizes the need for a balanced approach in evaluating such cases, advocating for adherence to factual evidence over emotional narratives.

Notable Quotes

Candace Owens [00:00]: "How does somebody who's free to roam wherever they want, never knew this person until they were 27 years old, get continually raped for over five years?"
Candace Owens [02:30]: "Gloria Allred... takes 40% of whatever it is that they then secure from the man or the business if they go after them."
Candace Owens [15:45]: "Five years is just a long time. It's half a decade."
Candace Owens [25:30]: "Ms. Maya said that Ms. Mann had willingly walked into the bedroom with Mr. Weinstein. This contradicts Mann's claims of coercion."
Candace Owens [32:06]: "Jessica Mann had a panic attack on the stand... Could that have colored the jury, tainted the jury a little bit? I would go with yes."
Candace Owens [33:22]: "If you're wondering when people are pretending that this getting overturned was crazy, it's actually the most sane thing I've ever seen in my entire life."

Listener Engagement

Throughout the episode, Candace Owens engages with her listeners via live chat, addressing comments and questions. She encourages participation in her book club and upcoming discussions, fostering an interactive community.

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Final Thoughts

In this episode, Candace Owens presents a critical perspective on the Jessica Mann case, challenging mainstream narratives and questioning the validity of Weinstein's conviction. By dissecting testimony, examining communication patterns, and highlighting inconsistencies, Owens invites listeners to reconsider the complexities surrounding high-profile sexual assault cases within the #MeToo movement.

This summary is based on the provided transcript and does not reflect any personal opinions or endorsements.

Transcript

Candace Owens (0:00)

You know, I'm beginning to believe that we might need an entirely separate judicial system to look at cases that involve sex workers. Because the details of this next woman's relationship with Harvey Weinstein, for which he earned, by the way, three years in prison, are absolutely offensive to my senses. I am personally offended looking into this. I guess I'll start by asking you a question outside of a situation of captivity, right? A true horrific criminal captivity, something like Elizabeth Smart. How does someone get raped over five years? That may be in situation where you're living with someone, you have no power. I could see that. But how does somebody who's free to roam wherever they want, never knew this person until they were 27 years old, get continually raped for over five years? Because that's apparently what happened to Jessica Mann. She claims that's what happened to her. Sexual assaults for five years. And I have a lot of questions, so I'm just going to roll right into this episode. Three of Heart, Harvey speaks. So first and foremost, I want to explain something to you guys that may not have been clear in previous episodes, because I know a lot of people are wondering what would be the reason that any woman might subject herself to a criminal case for sexual assault or rape? Why would you want to be on the stand? What do you actually get out of that? What do you win for that? Right. It's criminal. He's going to go to prison. Obviously, they must be telling the truth. And clearly Gloria Allred, who I should mention represented these women for free in these criminal cases. She just must be a wonderful human being, a truly wonderful human being who is just on the path to lock up monsters. Credit to Gloria Allred. Well, you should know that under the law, you can't go after a company or sue somebody civilly for rape unless you at first secure a criminal conviction. So you essentially can't go after their insurance company if you're going after the Weinstein Company for millions or whatever it is, which there was this large settlement that was given to a lot of these women who made allegations there has. You have to go the criminal route at first. And I want to be also clear about Gloria Allred, who presents herself as some sort of a MeToo martyr. She tends to represent women on the criminal side for free, but she takes 40% of whatever it is that they then secure from the man or the business if they go after them. Okay, so she's raking in a ton of money. 40%. Could you imagine this woman represented even when. When it doesn't go to court? It wasn't the lawyer that was on the Tiger woods case. Think about how much money she has made. She loves this. She absolutely loves these sorts of allegations against rich men. That's my opinion of Gloria Alward anyways. Now if you are a woman who, for the sake of this hypothetical argument, had sex with Harvey Weinstein for years, okay, you agreed to do that. And you did not get the career and the lifestyle that you had imagined in your mind that you would get. For that sort of a sacrifice, you may look to receiving a big payday, right? A big payday down the line. Because now you're just a washed up actress and you might start reimagining your sexual relationship with him as not consensual. And believe it or not, in 2020, that was very possible because in America, jurors were consumed with this question. What actually is consent? We don't remember anymore. Do you guys remember the, the MeToo movement and all of those articles that were telling us that you could even revoke your consent after you had already consented to the sex? They were instituting all of these new rules. Men had to ask questions, had to check in even during the act. Are you still consenting? Are we consenting? Have we consented? Did we consent yesterday? Is everybody consenting? I'm not being funny. These are the kinds of things that were being reimagined in the era of hashtag me too. Okay? So even if you consented to something at the time, maybe on the inside you were screaming and you weren't screaming outwardly, you weren't saying no outwardly. But if in your mind while the act was taking place, you were going, I don't know if I want to do this. Well, who's to say whether or not it was true consent? We'll leave that up to a jury. Perfect time for you guys to meet Jessica Mann. Here's Jessica mann today. She's 39 years old and she is indeed the woman who put Harvey away for the additional three years for rape. Okay? Not aggravated sexual assault for actual rape. And so I should tell you their relationship, tell you a little bit about their relationship and how they met. Back in 2013, she began a relationship with Harvey Weinstein. And I want to be clear about her age because it's very important. People are always imagining, when you say an aspiring actress, I think they're always thinking of a 17 year old or an 18 year old or a 19 year old just getting into Hollywood. No, Jessica was 27 years old. She was 27 years old. So she was a fully matured adult woman, a neurologically developed adult. Okay. Jessica, per her own account, was a runaway from home. She grew up on a dairy farm in Washington State. She had a tumultuous relationship with her father, which we will discuss. A big component of all of these things you tend to find these women tend to have bad relationships with their fathers. And so what she decided to do was that she up and booked a one way ticket to Burbank, California, and she never looked back. She began, you guessed it, pursuing a career in acting. She met Harvey Weinstein, the big Harvey Weinstein, Hollywood producer, at a party in Los Angeles. And she testified that after that meeting she immediately felt pressured to have sex with him. He just wanted to have sex with her. She says that it started at first with a request for a massage, which she acquiesced to. Then she says that he forced oral sex on her during a meeting about a potential movie role. I want you to remember that because she wasn't alone, she was with a friend meeting about a potential movie role. She says to get out of that situation, obviously Madge sounds very traumatizing. She just had to like fake her way out of it. You get what I'm, what I'm implying there and right there. Again, I know we did this with Mimi Halei, but if you got out of that situation and you thought I did not want to do that, even though I didn't say no, I would probably say, since you don't know this guy at all and you just met him, maybe don't go back right there, end it. Just end the relationship. But that doesn't seem to be the circumstance with these older women. And what I mean by older women, I mean 27 years old, you're 27, you're not a spring chicken by Hollywood standards. You're young, but you're a fully adult woman. So I'm just thinking maybe don't go back, but I'm crazy, okay. She admitted to the jury that she had then agreed to a few sexual encounters with Harvey leading up to what she's eventually going to describe as her rape. But that in those initial agreed to encounters they had never had full intercourse. So that's what made this, this one thing different that's coming up. Right. Upon reflection, she felt that really the only reason that she had agreed to those earlier encounters in the first place was because Harvey had Dange Gold, the possibility of work in front of her. Now, to me, if I'm sitting on the jury, just that right there is quite a Confession. Okay, you're kind of saying, I'm 27 years old, and the only reason I sexually was because I thought I could get a job. And I think legally, maybe, maybe not legally, because Harvey's the one that got convicted of rape. But, like, is that prostitution? You sell your body because you want something in return. I'm just asking questions, you guys. Anyway, similar to Mimi Halei, who put him in prison for 20 years just weeks later, after these consensual encounters, she somehow wound up with Harvey Weinstein in a midtown Manhattan hotel room. And that is where she says rape took place. Now, Jessica told jurors that she was not sexually attracted to Harvey, but she pitied him after she saw him naked, telling them, quote, when I first saw him naked, I was filled with compassion, absolute compassion. Because, remember, we spoke about this in the first episode. You know, Harvey Weinstein got gangrene. He had a surgery. And we're gonna describe how she describes things in a little bit. But she was overwhelmed with absolute compassion having seen him like that. And she described the day of that leading up to that rape, saying that Weinstein had persuaded her to come. His Double Tree Hotel suite. He basically booked this suite in the Double Tree because she was staying there. And then she says that he prevented her from leaving by blocking the door. She says, quote, I gave up. I gave up at that point, that she was sobbing through her testimony on the stand. She says that she, quote, I undressed. He stood over me until I was completely naked. And he told me to lay down in the bed. He went to the bathroom, so then they're separate. And then he came out naked. And then that is when the alleged rape occurred. And that's terrible. That is terrible. If that was a sequence of events, that would be absolutely terrible. It makes sense, therefore, according to her version of events, that in January of this year, upon hearing news that Harvey Weinstein was asking a judge to move up his appeal, he wants this, you know, appellate process to happen as soon as possible. She gave a rather blunt statement to. To People magazine. She heard that he pleaded, citing his leukemia. I don't know if you know that, but Harvey Weinstein has since been diagnosed with leukemia. So he goes back and forth from the hospital, and his health is failing. And he described the climate at Rikers Prison as a hellhole to the judge. And so Jessica Mann replied with absolutely no remorse or understanding and said, quote, the irony of Weinstein begging for privilege to be released out of his hellhole is not lost on me. She said, the hell he put in my hole will last a lifetime. End quote. Wow. Okay. Aggressive, A bit graphic with a statement like that, if you knew nothing about this case, you would have to believe she'd lived through something that was unbelievably horrific. Still, still. Stay with me. Okay? You might be a little bit confused by the media's description of a sexual assault that took place over five years. Five years is just a long time. It's half a decade. And so you might have some questions, and you might want to fill in the details here. And so I'm going to introduce to you some alternative facts to you regarding the situation. Now, to reiterate the date, it was March 18, 2013, that her alleged rape happened at the DoubleTree Hotel. March 18, 2013. Don't worry. Tomorrow we're still going to unpack her allegations and go through her testimony, and I will give you guys a timeline, as always. But for now, the date you need to know is 2013. In the alleged rape also took place in the morning time. What factually happened after it is definitely confusing. So we know that this rape took place early in the morning in his suite at the Double Tree. And then what we know via email change is that on on the very same day, but that evening at 7:50pm Jessica Mann was emailed a ticket from the Weinstein office paying for her flight to Los Angeles the following day. I want you to take a look at this. This is somebody who works for Harvey. Good evening, Jessica. You see that date, 7:50pm Please find below your new E ticket for tomorrow. Please be sure to look over all the details to ensure everything is as expected and what you needed. Similarly, do you need us to book you a car to the airport? In either case, once you've looked over the below, please email me to confirm that you've received this in our sets. Thank you, John Logan. Okay, let's pull that back up, because underneath it is even is even more telling, because it's not like John just got around to sending her the ticket. He clearly had just booked it. So that's a confirmation email below from Delta Airlines, and it is the timestamp to 7:25pm so we've all flown on planes. We know you book it online, and then you immediately, within 10 minutes, if it's running a little bit late, get a confirmation email from whatever airline you're flying. So we know he booked that ticket 25 minutes earlier before he forwarded it to her. Okay, very interesting. So you had a rape that happened in the morning, and then we are left with what happened leading up to it that let his office email you a ticket. Just like Mimi, by the way. It's always this thing like they have, these incidents happen and then the next thing we know the Weinstein office is paying for their flights. Okay. We then learned from these emails that she confirmed that she wanted them to arrange a car from her from her Doubletree hotel to the New York City airport. I can show you that. She says, hi, John. Thank you. Look at the time there, by the way. This is actually the next day. I mean she's looks, I mean, if I would guess, she's either severely jet lagged or she's out. Right. 1:07am she replies to that email that was sent to her at 7:50. And she says very early in the morning, thank you. I'd like a ride to the airport. It would help a lot as this is my first time here. This is her first time in New York City and I'm not sure how to handle getting there. Thank you. Once I land, I can find a ride home. Thanks. Okay, fine. He's. And then he asks her where she'd like her pickup. He responds to her at 5:06am sure. He was sleeping through the 1am and she said, My hotel will be fine at 1008am now we have that ticket. Her flight was not until 4pm later that day. And here's where it gets interesting. Because now, mind you, she survived a rape. And maybe if I'm like going really pro victim here, I'd say, well, she just wanted to get back to Los Angeles by any means necessary. And so yes, she said, I don't, I'm new to New York. I'm not figuring out the subway system. Yes, I, I don't have the money. Please just get me to, just get me to the airport. Because I live in Los Angeles. I don't know what this place is. And this has been a traumatizing experience for me. Right, that's where your mind would go. If you're like advocating for Jessica here. Okay, let's keep an open mind. Maybe she is telling the truth. Truth. Then this next email gets even weirder because then she requests because you think, now you're in la, this is your home, you know how to get around here. She requests for them to send a driver on the LA side. She requests Harvey's. Harvey's driver. This is one of Harvey's drivers. She says, thank you, John. At 1104am I'm unable to find a ride last minute from LAX to blank. Are there any drivers in LA or shuttle services. Okay, now, don't know about you guys. You guys ever been to la? That's not a thing. Just right there. I can tell you you can't find a driver from lax, one of the busiest airports in America. I can't find a driver from New York City. You're landing at. If you're leaving at 4pm and you're getting time back from New York, you're landing at 7:00pM in the evening in LAX. Ish. Okay. She's saying she can't find a driver and she asks for one. So let's get that email back up. They say okay. Hello, Jessica. Your driver in LA this evening will be Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones again, this is one of Harvey's drivers. Okay. A guy named Freddie and a guy named Jerry who works for Freddie. Here's his mobile number. Please let us know if you have any questions. Otherwise, safe travels. Now that to me seems like a lot. I feel like if I had survived a rape, I would not want to then be subjected unnecessarily to being in the car with the drivers of the person who had raped me. But again, I'm reading myself into this situation. What do I know? Let's keep going. What happened? What exactly happened? Why is she in New York City? Why is she communicating with this team? The good thing is we're going to be able to fill in some more details regarding the day of her rape. And it might make a little more sense. Now I should mention that what we can confirm is that Jessica did not fly to New York to meet with Harvey Weinstein. Instead, she actually flew to New York with a friend of hers, a Hollywood agent named Thomas Richards Lozano. Thomas was actually in town for one night only. He had a client in New York. He had received two free round tripped flights, plus a hotel room at the Double Tree Manhattan and some tickets to Wicked for that one night only. And so he took his friend Jessica Mann as his guest and the two of them decided to share that hotel room. I should be clear, they stayed in separate beds. She testified she never had any sexual affair with Thomas. So this was truly a friend trip. They're like, yes, let's go and have this one night in New York because she had never been there. Now, on the evening before her encounter with Harvey, Thomas and Jessica therefore were out together. I presumably to see Wicked as that's what he had tickets to. Jessica then returned back to their room at the Double Tree Hotel thereafter while Thomas stayed out. And it sounds like he had a little bit of fun into the night. The following morning, March 18, is when Harvey then comes to her hotel. He books himself that suite at the Doubletree. And that is when the aforementioned incident happens. Okay. On March 18th in the morning. And what happens next is quite interesting because afterwards they decided to go downstairs and join Thomas and also her best friend, a Brazilian actress named Talita Maya, for breakfast at the hotel. Okay, so the incident happened and then she went downstairs for breakfast. So obviously there are a lot of reasons could be, don't feel safe, you're trying to. Whatever. I can tell you that the stand. Jessica admitted to jurors that she did not mention the rape to either of them. Not to her best friend Talita, not to her Hollywood agent friend that she was in town for. And oddly, therefore, Toleda and Thomas testified on behalf of Weinstein. Thomas told the jury that Jessica, man and Weinstein had been friendly with each other at that morning at breakfast and said that man took him aside and asked him if it was okay if she didn't travel back with him to Los Angeles. He said, quote, she had asked him, quote, if it was okay if she didn't travel back with me to Los Angeles. So she was supposed to be going back with him. But he testified that Weinstein, quote, invited man at the table, at the breakfast table to stay an extra night and that that was the last time that he saw man that morning. She appeared normally and she appeared like her everyday self. Okay, so I do want to slow that down. Once again, she was supposed to return on a ticket back with Thomas to LA on the 18th. Okay. Which was the morning that she had this horrific event happen to her. Rather, Harvey at breakfast with her friends, okay. Requests her to stay an extra night in New York. And she says yes, and says to Thomas, I'm sorry, I know that you got that ticket for me. I'm actually going to stay here. And now those emails are beginning to make sense. That contextualizes the email. Suddenly he sends her an updated ticket. He's buying her a ticket back to la. But why stay the extra night? What. What did she do that night? Well, we know she actually opted to go to a Weinstein Company event. They were having the premiere of August Osage county, and she brought her friend Talita with her. And Harvey was present at that event that night. And perhaps that explains, maybe that explains why it was like 1:03am in the morning when she emailed and asked for the ride home. Because it was a late night. That might also explain the Reason that Talita Maya, her former, I should be clear, former best friend and one time roommate, so strongly condemned Jessica Mann's version of events when she hit the stand. She had been hanging out with Jessica Mann for years. She had been friends with Jessica, the best of friends with Jessica, since she met Harvey Weinstein. And she had a radically different understanding of their relationship and their bond. Because, according to Toleda, Jessica and Harvey endured not only a consensual sexual relationship, but Jessica had gone far enough so as to describe Harvey to her as her soulmate, her spiritual soulmate. Witness says. This is a headline in the New York Times. From the New York Times, I'm going to read this directly. It says, Ms. Maya, 35 years old at the time that she's giving this testimony, told the jury that she met Jessica mann in late 2012 on a movie set. Several months later, Ms. Maya said they met Mr. Weinstein at a party in Los Angeles. Neither of them recognized him, she said, when Mr. Weinstein explained who he was, Ms. Maya recounted joking, that's why everyone is being so nice to you. Ms. Maya said that Ms. Mann placed her arm around Mr. Weinstein, pinched his cheek and said, no, it's because he's so cute. Oh, so upon first meeting, they don't know who this guy is. Just slow that down for you. They're together because they're friends and they see this guy who everyone's just like throwing them. So everyone's on her. He's this guy who's in all the movies. And then Ms. Maya makes the joke, oh, that's why everyone's being nice to you and Jessica. Man says, no, it's because he's so cute. This is according to her best friend, not me. Let's keep going. From a New York Times article, quote, Ms. Maya said Mr. Weinstein and Ms. Mann then walked off to a secluded area. Ms. Mann gave Mr. Weinstein her phone number. Later that night, Ms. Maya said, adding, quote, she seemed impress. Ms. Maya's account contradicted Ms. Mann's testimony. Ms. Mann had said that Mr. Weinstein had lured her and Ms. Maya to the Montage Beverly Hills Hotel, where the producer invited them to discuss their careers. Then Ms. Mann said he brought them to his suite where he forced oral sex on her. Ms. Mann had testified that the more she protested, the angrier Mr. Weinstein got. But Ms. Maya said that she did not hear any commotion and that Ms. Mann had willingly walked into the bedroom with Mr. Weinstein. Ms. Maya added that her friend appeared normal that night and not Upset. Before that meeting, Ms. Maya said Ms. Mann told her that she had met with Mr. Weinstein at a hotel where she sang for him. Okay. Sounds like she's auditioning. Her friend at the time is hitting the stand, saying, no, this is not what the relationship was. The guy is also saying, I was there that morning. She didn't seem upset about anything. I don't know what was going on. I got back on a plane. She said she was changing her ticket. Okay, that. Now, here's what I can tell you. There are a lot of emails. I am talking. Let me just take a look at this. Scroll. Hundreds upon hundreds of emails between Harvey and Jessica. Manny. Okay? And I have read through them, and obviously there's way too many for me to show you. I obviously could drop them onto a website and you should read them. Okay. Because they do nothing to dispel the idea is what I will say of a very consensual relationship that spanned for five years. Five years. So here are just a few of these emails that I am referring to as an example. Right. So a month earlier, on March 18, we said, is when the incident took place that she described as a rape, which eventually led to Harvey being locked up for three years. A month after that, on April 11, less than a month after that. So we're talking three weeks after that encounter. This is an email that she sent to Harvey that was her venting her frustration that she's learning that other women are auditioning for her part in Vampire Academy. She says, I have an agent who wants to know who the point people are for the creative end of Vampire Academy. Last I heard, three girls are up for the role of Natalie, and Mia's breakdown has gone out, which is who I want to audition for. And Barbara hasn't returned my last emails regarding va. I'm beginning to think no one is taking me seriously. Question mark. Oh, so she's. Remember, we remember Barbara. Barbara was also in Mimi's case. Barbara, I think it's Shanish something. And she works for Harvey Weinstein's heart. She's upset. Barbara's. On answering her emails, she's saying, you know, you're supposed to try to help me get this role. This is three weeks after her alleged rape. I want to be clear. Here's another email that I'm just plucking from the obscurity. We'll have much more of a detailed timeline for you, but this one's from July 29, 2014. Because this was so stunning to me when I saw it, that I just Went, you know, I gotta just share this one because help me ladies that are out there make this make sense. We're now talking about a year and three months after and many, many emails after your alleged rape, Many, many more dalliances after your alleged rape, many more times you go into hotel rooms with him after your alleged rape. But she plans for Harvey to take her and her Mother on this July 29, 2014 out for drinks. Look at this, look at this email chain. It's unbelievable. She said he emails her first and says, I'll be in LA tomorrow night. Are you free around 9:30pm for a drink? Jessica replies and says, it would be great to see you. However, my mother would be with me if we stopped by. She is here t Thursday afternoon. I have Thursday evening free so far tomorrow depending on if you want us to swing by. We are thinking of going to Soho with my girlfriend if she gets back in time. Dear Jessica, he replies, if you want to stop by with your mom at 9:30, you can come or come by the Soho House at 9:30pm all my best, Harvey. Jessica writes back, yeah, she would love to meet you whilst you can see how good my jeans are. Winky face. Which is easier. You want to go to the Soho with us or stay at the Peninsula? Darn it. Another hotel with Harvey Weinstein. Winky face, winky face. Like this winky face. You can see how good my jeans are. You guys want to meet my mom? You can see how good my jeans are. Yeah, that's what she's doing in the wine scene. I don't know. He, she, he raped her a year and three months ago. Now she's dropping the winky faces and saying, do you want to meet my mom? Because she would love to meet you. I don't know many moms who would love to meet the person who raped their daughters. But Jessica says this is a such situation. And so it ends up happening later on in that correspondence as Harvey then changes it for a lunch at the Peninsula due to some scheduling conflicts. So Harvey apparently meets Jessica's mom. I thought that was weird. Is that weird people in the chat? I'm just gonna check and see. Like, am I weird? Is or is everybody else weird? Oh my gosh. Yeah, I think that's pretty weird. In September of 2014, this is another strange one that jumped out at me. She's messaging Harvey about a bad breakup that she has September later that year, after meeting her mom a few months later, she's telling him that she had a bad breakup and she's looking for consolation with him. Okay, so I'll show you that email. She writes to him, ba, rough day? When are you back in la, my friend? And he says, what happened? And she says, just tell me when you're in la. Smiley face. He says, Friday for a few hours. She writes, went through a breakup, was hoping for dinner with you. Holy. I'm in New York City. You okay? Want to come here tomorrow? Okay. I just do not know in what world you would want to be consoled by a person who raped you when you break up with your boyfriend, saying, like, are you back? I'd like to see you all of these things. And like I said, there are hundreds of emails that are just like this. And some fun facts be after this is all happening. After she was raped, he got her a job cutting hair at the Peninsula Hotel because she was also a cosmetologist. He. She also writes to him and asks him if he can get her into the Soho House, which is that super exclusive club, trendy, and you need a sponsor to be able to get into the Soho House. And he said, I will sponsor you. I will sponsor your application to get in the Soho House. And that's how she became a member there. He also gives her money for her car when she's having some car trouble. And you learn through her testimony, which we're gonna go through tomorrow, that the two of them embarked on threesomes together following her. Her rape. I'm just giving you guys the facts here, okay? I'm just giving you the facts. I'm wondering if you were sitting in that jury box, what you would be thinking as you're reading through hundreds and hundreds of emails and learning all of these things. Here's another fun fact. The district attorney administered three lie detectors to Harvey Weinstein, which he passed. He passed all three of them. One of them was about Jessica Mann. And he has been willing to take more because he is saying, I was in a consensual. A consensual sexual relation with this woman for years. So you're probably wondering. I'm looking at the chat right now. You're probably wondering how the hell they were able to secure a conviction. Just how what happened? We spoke about this in the last episode, but it was a basically a free for all. They allowed the mala new rule. People could just come in and say stuff about him. Whether it was true or false, it didn't matter. They could just say, he punched his brother. He gave me a dirty look. He stole my pencil in third grade. This is a Bad, bad man. Bad man. We learned that the judge was asked to recuse himself because they spotted, I guess, the mayor's office thought there was some corruption, and he refused to do that. It was the wild, wild West. And what could have convinced them that Jessica, man, despite the overwhelming evidence that she was very content in whatever their relationship was via the emails, which we'll get into tomorrow, like I said. And we'll get into her testimony, which is just incredible. What could have convinced them? And I'm gonna go with emotion, okay? Because I know that one thing that likely could have contributed to persuade the jury that Jessica was a victim was the fact that she had a panic attack on the stand when she was recounting a sexual assault that had occurred in her youth. Not. Not something that happened from Harvey Weinstein, but something unrelated to Harvey Weinstein. And she was then brought down from the stand and put into the witness chambers. And she just started screaming, just screaming in pain, having gone back into this memory of this sexual assault that had nothing to do with Harvey. But you imagine you're a jury, you hear this woman screaming. And she then, by the way, contextualized for the judge and the jury what those screams were about. And here is what she said eventually to News Nation about that moment in her own words. Take a listen.