Erica Kirk (9:54)

Okay?

Candace Owens (9:54)

So I want you to remember that it's, it's like going, I don't even remember that letter at all. So that's why I'm showing it to you. It's King Solomon. And it's, you know, this is what God wants. Okay? Now this decision, like I said, published on the 17th, was actually voted upon earlier. I know because Andrew Colvett told me before the public knew that the board had selected ERICA within about 72 hours of Charlie's death. I was crying on the phone with him. Already concerned by the obvious attempt from people who hated Charlie previously, now committing themselves public, taking over his legacy, filling in his boots, picking up his Bloody mic. And Andrew reassured me that the decision had already been made and that it was Erica that was going to take over. And in my aggrieved state, I said, okay, great. Amazing. Thank God. I'm so happy to hear that. So I'm so happy that none of these people who literally hated him are. Are going to try to sit in his chair. Now, in hindsight, practically speaking, this means that within a space of about 72 hours, someone approached Erica and thought that the right thing to ask or say was, hey, know you're going through a lot right now, but is it okay if we put your name up for the position of CEO and can we put that to a board vote today? Are you willing and able to take over as the chairman and the CEO in Charlie's stead? To which Erica had to have replied, yes, she had to give her consent for that to go up for a board vote. Okay, that's just a fact that had to take place. How it happened exactly when it was said. Somebody felt that was appropriate to say that. Now, my first 72 hours was a little bit different on my end when Mitchell, my. My PR agent, sent me a very kind message about the Infinite Press requests that we had been receiving. People seeking a statement for me regarding how I felt about Charlie's public assassination. I wanted to physically assault him. He did nothing wrong. He actually did his job with the utmost professionalism and care. And still I kind of wanted to kick Mitchell. I'm sorry, Mitchell. That's how I felt at that time, because everything just felt so intrusive. Like, to even think about the world going on felt wrong. I didn't think anything of her appointment at that time or beyond it, other than what I stated publicly, which was that Turning Point USA should have waited and instead appointed an interim CEO to allow Erica the time that she needed to grief, rather than her having to deal with everyone questioning her moves as a CEO. But I also contended with myself, I will say I also thought, well, maybe they rushed the decision because it was symbolic and they felt it was necessary, that it was sort of honorific, meaning she wasn't really going to do anything at that time. But they wanted to announce that this is the direction that it's going, which would be fair, like just wanting the. The announcement to mean something. And on her end, I thought maybe Erica said yes because she wanted to hold onto some sense of continuity, like, this is still gonna go on. We're gonna get everything going. That still could be true, by the way. That could have been what Drove her decision. But of course, looking in retrospect, it is stunning to me that Erica chose not to bring a single member of her actual family with her to Utah. Something that I just sort of missed at the time. Just Turning Point family. Think about that. Charlie, Kirk's mother, father, sister, they all raced to Utah to be with him at the hospital, which is to be expected. But Erica, no one in her immediate family joined her in her darkest hour. Not her mom. Okay. We were told that she's sick. Dad also lives in Scottsdale. Sister. Yes, she does have one. Cousins, friends from high school. After all, she grew up in Arizona, right? That's. That's where she went to school. That's where she went to high school. Instead, she was joined by Stacy Sheridan, who was playing the part of her mother staying. Stacy, who is the head of fundraising for Turning Point usa. Don't forget it was Stacy Sheridan who concerns herself with Turning Point raising money, who filmed Charlie in the casket. It is Stacey Sheridan traveled with Erica. She's the one who was holding Erica hand, holding her hand as Charlie's casket was coming off of Air Force Two. That was Eric. That was Stacy Sheridan standing next to her recording. Not her mother, not her dad, not Erica's sister. You just would think that somebody that you would call somebody close to you, that is. Does not exist any corporate structure to be by your side. That is my now totally rational perspective looking backward. But it was Stacey Sheridan who I've told her since day one. I personally warned Charlie about her. I. That is my personal opinion that there is no rung into hell that Stacey Sheridan will not descend upon for a dollar. It's my. My experience with her. But this person was somehow crucial. Crucial to coming and being beside. Beside Erica at all moments. Car rides, everything. If you go back and look, it is Stacey. You would think Stacy Sheridan was Erica's mother. You can even check out this clip which is her in a car. Stacey just everywhere on the phone, Stacey is there capturing every moment. Me, I needed my sister to fly in to be by my side husband. My cousin Erica needed the head of gifts and donations. I don't. I find that to be very strange. And I've checked with people at the hospital. No family was there. Now let's get back to September 16th though. Cause I like to focus on that date because with Stacy in earshot, Erica is going to address the company for the first time. That's not a small task, by the way. Okay. She is, as you will see at the office, she doesn't have Full hair and makeup on, which, of course, I think I welcome that as a good thing. I don't expect her to be at the office, but I'm happy that she's not in full hair and makeup because this is five and a half days after her husband was pronounced dead. This is before he. We've had his funeral. Anything. And I'm going to let you decide. And I'm going to tell you that the employees that chose to record this and the employees that are still there and upset with the manner in which people were fired are saying that they feel like they were. It was like a cult. Like they knew something was off. They felt like they were being manipulated, that they were only given Erica as this symbol of, you guys need to work harder. Right? As though Charlie's wife was being used to convince employees that it is now a mandate handed to them by God to work harder, to sacrifice themselves, to work longer days, because this, this is their new family. This, this word. I've always been struck by this, describing the employees like a family to drive them to work like horses only to then fire them after a quarter billion is raised is wild. Okay, Like I said, at least she is not dressed in hair and makeup. She is at the office. I would say the bad news is that once again, Erica is going to stop herself from using the word happy in the context of Charlie and how he must be feeling in heaven. I'm gonna let this play out for five minutes straight and there is no context needed other than this is five and a half days after her husband was publicly assassinated. And yes, in the background, that is Terrell Farnsworth, the guy who took down the cameras. But we're going to see. We are going to see some grief. So I'm going to allow you guys to watch this for five minutes, have.

Erica Kirk (17:34)

Private conversations with him. I want you all to hold on to those and I want you all to remember those so deeply. I want you to journal about them. I want you to be able to tell your kids about them. I want you to what goes in your heart as why you're still here with the Turning Point usa Because that's what we want. And like I said to our smell group, after whatever day that was that I did the thing on tv, my days are still grounded. Friday, I told the team, I said, Turning Point USA will continue like my husband always wanted and it would be bigger than ever. And we're going to honor him by doing that. We're going to stay humble, we're going to work hard because that's what he would want. And we're going to just make it grow, and we're going to keep our eyes fixed on heaven. And, you know, like even Stacy said, he's going to. He's going to find ways to speak to us, and he's going to speak to you in different ways. Every person is going to be different, but you'll get little moments where you're like, okay, Charlie, it might be here on campus. It might be in quiet moments of the night, but he's here, and he's more alive than ever. And he is. He's going to guide us, and we just have to remain humble. But again, what I told the team was, I will fight like hell to make sure that all of you have a job here. I don't want anyone to think that job's in jeopardy because your family, if you want to, if you choose to leave, that's different. I never will. And I promise you, I will make sure that I never allow a point to where you have to leave because we cannot financially afford you. And that is. That is a promise. I want our family to stay together. The best of care. Obviously, circumstances, you know, things. There's unforeseen things that might pop up here and there that we can't foresee in the future. But for right now, the way things are, I would like to remain if they are status quo, and I think that's the best thing to do. And everything else we can worry about later. But I just want to let you know that you guys are all very loved. I'm very proud of you. And Charlie would be. I mean, I think Charlie's just. I'm trying not to say that he would be. He's obviously celebrating in heaven amongst many things, but he's so proud of all of you, and he's so proud of all of you for keeping this mission alive. And he knows that you can do it. That's why you're hired. And he knows that you will be able to carry the torch, and he knows that you're going to do a great job and you're going to be able to. Even though things are going to be tough, honestly, the nights are the hardest. Mornings are pretty raw, too. But once you're just. What I've noticed these past several days is if I didn't have the family, the Trinkle USA family with me, all of you, I would be a disaster. I mean, I would be in fetal position 24 7. But the fact that we have a continued mission to look forward to. And we have our family. It's everything. And some of you, this is your chosen family, and just rely and lean on each other. That's huge. Leaning on each other is huge because all of you were together prior to this and we'll be together after this. And it's, and we. Everything. And I told Justin, I said, it's going to be something where everything before September 10th, any email you were working on, any project you were working on is. It's not that it's irrelevant now. It's just things have changed, obviously, and the mission has gotten deeper and the mission will grow deeper. But, like, I just want all of you to know we will be wise stewards. We will be vigilant, we will be humble. And I just want you to know that again, I'm with you. I'm here. I'm not going anywhere. And we're going to make sure that we honor my husband so well that this whole world knows what his, his vision was and will be. And it's just, I feel so blessed and honored.

Candace Owens (22:09)

Blessed and honored. That is crazy work. As adjectives. I, I, I, I, I, I don't know. That's, that's crazy work. That is like, I couldn't. Blessed and honored to be the CEO and to be telling you guys that you're a family. And I want you to see this because we've spoken about this. The Mooney's cult and these people that are leaving are like, it's, it was just like a cult. Like, basically, she's saying this, she's calling you a family. She promises them. That's why it's important to. You have to hold this to the fire. You're not the CEO. You promised these kids that if you, they are going to work harder. You're in this family. Your jobs are safe. Actually, that's what makes her cry. Saying your jobs are, you know, that's, that's when she breaks right when she says, I, it's so important, you know, your jobs are good. Like, I feel, I feel emotionally attached to you guys working for me. And then you attach that to what we showed you of a young woman who, like I said on everything, never, I never leaked. Leaked. She never leaked anything. She never spoke to me. Nothing gets fired. And for asking a simple question, like, literally, why am I fired? We've been working like 25 hours. Just get out, get out, get out. There's, there's security there. That's it. We're moving a different direction. That is not okay. Okay. You're not Allowed to say, everybody grieves differently, so I don't have to answer any questions about that. And, guys, we're going to bring in the beginning, too, because I want you to watch the beginning of this so you can see the full thing, because we don't need to strip anything because she starts by laughing, which I find to be interesting. But I do want to let you know that we are having some buffering issues. We still have major blackouts in Nashville, so we're doing our best here. If you have some connectivity issues, just know that that's the reason why. Here's the beginning of that call.

Erica Kirk (23:53)

Yep, there you go. Oh, look at all the thumbs up. Look how cute that is. Sorry, this is a little bit more informal than probably Charlie would be reacting. Help.

Candace Owens (24:01)

Sweet.

Erica Kirk (24:03)

I didn't know they could do that. I hate Zoom. I never like. Sorry, you guys. I just wanted to say, first and foremost, my heart obviously is broken for you guys as much it is for our family. You guys lost not only a boss, but someone that you looked up to, someone that you believed in his mission, that you also that you loved. You loved listening to his show. You loved hearing his wisdom on things. I'm sure some of you have also had very personal moments of where you sat down. And.

Candace Owens (24:41)

So that's the beginning. Just so you have that in its full context now. Like I said, this is something. It's definitely something. It feels to me a bit like psychological phenomenon known as trauma bonding. Right. They had just suffered a very real trauma. That's not a trauma that most people go through in their entire lives. You're signed up for a company. Charlie Kirk is leader of that company. You sign up majority of these people to work for this organization because they believe in Charlie Kirk. They believe in what he is doing on college campuses. And then you watch him get live assassinated. And now management is going to try to establish your loyalty using all sorts of tactics. But essentially what they're creating here is an emotional dependence. Right? We are a family. We have lived through this. This is a family, family, family. And that very well may not have been Erika's intent, but hearing her sound like she's about to cry when she discusses specifically them keeping their jobs. Not Charlie, but having Charlie having been assassinated in front of the world, but the prospect of their employment, we do not have to imagine if she meant that sincerely, because she didn't. She did not mean that sincerely. After working them all like horses, wrapping them in this way, she's going to fire a boatload of them without Cause or even conversation that's actually traumatic. See it from the employee's viewpoint. For those of you wondering, they just must feel like they just got punched in the face. You had to watch him die. Then you get brought in on this emotional, we're a family, We're a family. Never. I never would do this. And it's like, get out. Don't let the door hit you on the way back. Yeah, we raised a quarter billion. You're not even going to get a bonus. Now we're gonna keep letting this play out because you are going to hear her actually be the first person to say an expression that has been used a lot. She's going to remind people that everybody grieves differently. Five and a half days after Charlie was announced dead at the hospital.

Erica Kirk (26:36)

Take a listen and we will do our best to continue to make Turning Point USA the bohemia that he wanted it to be. This massive thing. And it is, it is. And that's why we have to stay humble. But you know, I just want you guys to stay in prayer and if, if you guys do need anything, please reach out to whoever you know to reach out to and pray with one another. Be there with one another, be soft with them and one another. Everyone breathes differently. So if someone's acting weird, don't read into that. Weddings and funerals bring out the beer this side and we go out. Anyone who's been married knows that. So don't read into that. Just love on each other. And if there's anything or anyone who tries to divide your team or you or that's just the enemy and just rebuke it and know that there's a bigger mission at hand. And again, you guys are all very loved and I feel very honored and I'm grateful for all of you. So I just wanted to take some time to hop on and share with you my condolences. I wish I could help all of you, but again, the fact that there's a lot of them in the office on today, the fact that a lot of you guys are here in office, that's what he wants. It's a mission. He doesn't want you to just be sitting on the couch alone in your room. He wants you to, obviously. I mean, we will all mourn, but he would want you to build and so that's what you do. We'll have a sword in one hand. I'll have a healing. Okay. I love you all. Deep breaths. Wisha. I just wanted to share this with you all. I asked her when we were on the tornad, I said, I don't know how to get through this. And she said, you know, when you're on an airplane and some of you have kids will really relate to this, others that don't, you've been on a plane with kids, so you can also relate to this. But she said, when you're on an airplane and you're 15 minutes before landing and the kids are going crazy and you have 15 minutes left on the plane and they're throwing their toys and they're screaming and you're thinking to yourself, am I going to make it through these next 15 minutes? And then the plane lands and Usha said, you're going to make it through those next 15 minutes and the next 15 minutes. And so I just want to share that with you because it was a very private moment. But it gave me, it gave me some peace to know that we can just do this for 10 minutes at a time. So if that means at work, when you're feeling a little bit stop, take those 15 minutes and you'll be okay. We're all gonna be okay. I love you guys. Have a great meeting. Is there anything else? You guys are loved. Love this little birds. So sweet. God bless you all.

Jeremy Boreing (29:35)

Thank you guys.

Candace Owens (29:38)

I mean, I don't really know what to say. I just. I wanted to share that with you. I wanted to share that with you because I fully side with the employees. What they have lived through, everything that's happened. To have them admit that they work 20 hour days to see how they were manipulated into doing that, and then having the carpet pulled under their feet and told goodbye, And God forbid you want to speak out about what you've lived through, then you're somehow like, it's a cult. That, that's a cult. To be clear, that's just a cult. You're with us or you're against us. And these people were not against them. They were loyal employees, okay? They were loyal employees. And they said that they felt like they were being emotionally manipulated. Think that they had to just work harder. Even beyond the 20 hour days you're working during the weekday. They were then asked to come in on the weekend to pack T shirts because it's what Charlie would want. And I kept picking up on that. Beyond these calls, I kept saying, why does it feel like they're using the ghost of Charlie to sort of guilt people into doing things like, this is what Charlie would want. He'd want your money. This is what Charlie would want. He would want your, your kids college fund. This is what Charlie would want. He wants Grandma's will. This is what Charlie's dancing. He's dancing in heaven. He is. I, I'm not, I don't want to say the word happy. Maybe he's not happy he just got assassinated. Maybe he's not happy that he's never going to see his children again or put him to bed, but he is dancing unhappily or something. What? What? Okay, like, I don't know what this is. I, like I said, fully side with the employees. I do believe with all the new information that I'm getting, and it is a lot that she has been orchestrating this entire PR campaign from the back and pretending that Andrew Colbert was problematic. Maybe some credit to Andrew Colbert for being enough of a gentleman to absorb all of that, to allow people to think that it was just him acting rogue when it wasn't. It factually was not. We were lied to. I. And I don't know what the purpose is of that lie. That's what troubles me. What is the purpose of that lie? And by the way, just going back to that end of the timeline that we have put together, it's actually stunning to consider that when they opted to have the three way call with the doctor, okay, when they hurried, hurried and called the surgeon. Because I did an episode and I was like, hey, something's really weird that you guys should know is that, you know, the bull didn't go through. There was no blood in the back of Charl. And then Erica and Andrew got on the phone with the surgeon. That was on the day of Charlie's actual funeral mass. Like that was a priority for them to have something to issue as a statement onto X to try to explain away why a 36 didn't go through. Like, that doesn't seem like the proper day for that. But that's when it happened. That's when it factually, that phone call took place. We know because Andrew said, just got off the phone with the surgeon. So we don't have to imagine when that was the day after my episode when people were going, what do you mean there's no blood in the back? What do you mean, the 30 06? Why lie about that? Why are we being lied to? And we're supposed to accept that they have enough money. Well, they do. To hire crisis PR people and a bunch of accounts on X to tell us that it's ungodly for us to not just sit there and be lied to. That God's mandate means you, you can't question this you can't question why kids are being treated like this. Like this is Charlie's vision. He's dancing in heaven watching how kids that a bunch of students that slaved for him 20 hour days to put together. The memorial events are being let go for no reason other than loyalty tests that are being conducted by Marina the COO who's talking to Uber drivers for the tea. Hey, if you hear anything about Turning Point usa. Well, I heard that this Uber driver said that you may have said something. Bring her into the room. She may have critiqued Erica. Not allowed. What is this, guys? It's severe manipulation and it's not okay. It's not okay at all. And what is guiding that though? What is guiding the lies? That's what I'm interested in. I don't like when people lie to my face. I really don't like people lie to my face. And then I don't like when they send me cease and desist because I told the truth. I would say that's like a personal trigger of mine. Anyway, we're gonna take a brief break and get into some more people grieving differently in the form of former CEOs. All right, you guys, thanks to you. Last year, Preborn helped rescue over 80,000 babies. And today you can help save even more. Every single day, thousands of women hear the same devastating lie. That abortion is their only option, that they are alone and that there's no hope. But everything changes the moment a mother in crisis walks into a Preborn Network clinic and sees her baby on an ultrasound. That one moment doubles her chance of choosing life. It's not just an image on a screen. It's hearing her baby's heartbeat, maybe for the very first time. And in that moment, she realizes that there was life growing inside of her. And it is not a problem that needs to be solved. It's actually a life that needs to be protected. Let's be there for her in that beautiful moment with love, prayer and support. For just $28, you can provide one life saving ultrasound. And $140 provides five ultrasounds and five chances for life. This year, let's make it the biggest baby saving year in history. Take a stand, be bold. Speak for those who cannot speak for themselves. To donate, dial £250 and say the keyword baby. Or you can visit preborn.comcandace Again, that's preborn.com Candace also remind you guys about one of the reasons that I have stayed with Nimi Skincare is that they make consistency really easy. There is just so much noise around skincare. New launches, new routines, new promises, and most of it just encourages people to keep switching. I don't think that helps anyone in the long run. I stick with NEEME because it's clean, it's simple, and it's built for long term use. January is already overwhelming for a lot of people. Your skin is dealing with cold air and dry heat, your schedule is probably packed and everything feels louder than usual. Well, that's not the time to overcomplicate things. It's a time to actually practice staying consistent. Nimi Skincare is made here in America and built around that same idea of discipline over trends. So make Neeme your friend in skincare. Visit Nimi skincare.com today. Make sure to use my code CANDACE10 at checkout and you'll save an additional 10% off your order. That's Nimi Skincare. Also want to tell you guys about Masa chips. You do not have to overhaul your whole life in 2026. Like I just said, you can start with simple swaps like upgrading the snacks in your pantry to ones with real ingredients like Masa. It is the easiest way to eat clean without feeling like you are on a diet. Masa's chips contain just three ingredients, organic corn, sea salt and 100% grass fed beef tallow. That's it. There's no seed oils, there's no mystery chemicals, just real food. These chips don't only avoid all the bad stuff, they also taste incredible too. Snacking on Masa chips is nothing like eating regular chips. With Masa, you feel satisfied, light, energetic. There's no crash, bloat or that gross sluggish feeling afterward. And because these chips are made with real food, they are more satiating so you won't find yourself uncontrollably binging and still feeling hungry afterward. My favorite flavors of Masa chips are their carbonero and the original flavor as well. So if you are ready to give Masa a try, you can simply click the link in the video description or you can visit masachips.com candace and use promo code candace at checkout for 25% off your first order. If you don't feel like ordering online, Masa is now available nationwide at your local Sprouts supermarket as well, stop by and pick up a couple of bags before they're gone. I would say that we exist in a time right now where we recognize that the we live in a matrix. Like we actually live in a matrix and that matrix is fully glitching. We don't know where this is going to end. It's sort of like, we know they're lying. They're caught lying. They know that they've lost power, but they're still going to create this illusion that they haven't. They're going to keep writing articles. They're going to keep smearing people that are telling the truth, even though it's ineffectual. Like, no, we actually don't care anymore what they're writing. But they're going to keep doing it. They're going to tell us who we have to. Like, they're going to keep pretending that these people are popular and these people are awful. I. When does it stop? Everything feels fake and gay and fictitious. And we're learning that people who pretended like they cared about free speech are the number one people that are trying to squash it. They're trying to squash it now. And there's no greater example of that. And of course, Daily Wire, now the Daily Wire CEO, one day it will Daily Wires a company in a fair world, probably not one day. And so therefore, probably not in this world. But if we lived in a fair world, it would be taught in psychology courses. Like, watching what this company, company did to itself in the span of one year is incredible. It's objectively as an interest piece, incredible. Like, if I'm just a journalist going, this is fascinating, right? Jeremy Boring was the CEO and all that happened, and he kind of went away for, I would say, a year. And now he's back. He would never not be back. Guys, this man loves the spotlight like you wouldn't believe. We're going to talk about that in a second. But he goes on to a podcast and decides to open up a book about me, of course, and what I did wrong, saying, essentially, things were fine until they weren't fine. I'm just gonna let you hear him in. In contacts, what I've. What I've done here and what he has to say about me. Take a listen.

Jeremy Boreing (38:55)

When Candace worked for you, do you sometimes look back at the decision and think, that wasn't a good one when she was working at the Wire? Yeah. Well, I certainly think that hiring Candace is probably the biggest mistake of my professional life so far. At the time, I had misgivings about Candace, but it wasn't a completely cynical decision. I believed that Candace could be a great force for good in the world. I still believe that Candace is the most talented person I've ever met. Not just in conservative media, but in any media. She has it. You know, she has that star quality. You know it the moment that you meet her. Unbelievable charm, unbelievable charisma. The camera absolutely loves her. She has incredibly unique gifts and skills in that area. And when she wields those gifts and skills for good, she's incredibly effective. She was during the BLM movement in America. Some of the content that we made when we first brought Candace on was focused on that topic. And I think she was as good as anybody in the world and made a really positive impact. I've said before, Candace is like nuclear energy. You know, if you harness it properly, she can power a city. If you lose control, she'll flatten the city. And I think that's what we're seeing now. Candace. All those same gifts that she has at various times used for good, she's now using for ill, and there's no one better. The problem is, if what you're pursuing is bad and you're the best at it, you're going to do an incredible amount of damage. And Candace is doing an incredible amount of damage.

Candace Owens (40:28)

So what's amazing about that is he's not even aware of how objectively racist what he just said was. We brought Candace on because she was critiquing black people. We brought her on because it was nice to have a black person that was willing to call out Black Lives Matter. And that's largely why I brought her on. That's why we did. And she was doing great with the documentary. And she talked about how Black Lives Matter had grown into really what it was, was a black supremacy movement where they were no longer fighting for equality. Actually what they wanted was special treatment. I believe that I stand by, have not shifted my viewpoints on BLM and the fact that it was going to ultimately backfire on black America like it did burn down black American cities. But then, then that. Oh my gosh. When she then noticed that Israel was actually flattening cities. Really bad analogy there, Jeremy. When she noticed that actually the Jewish community was. Was acting like the supremacist suddenly and noticed that they were acting exceptionally, they wanted to be treated exceptionally and they were coming after speech. That's when I realized that this energy, this energy couldn't be harnessed. That's when we realized we had a problem. Oh, it could do great damage. It could flatten a city like BB Net and Yahoo did to Gaza. That's when, man, she was a talent. When I could teach her to go after black people. But then when she sort of noticed that Jewish people were not behaving correctly and were making demands in a similar Fashion and coming after people's lives and livelihood. That's when, well, we had to draw the line. Nuclear energy, it's very bad. It's amazing. And then he's going to correlate my show to pornography. Take a listen.

Jeremy Boreing (42:07)

You say people tell you that they listen to Candace. I had a guy tell me recently, he said, you know, what should I say to my wife? You know, she keeps telling me about things that she hears Candace say, and I don't even know how to respond to them. I said I would just respond by telling her fun things that you saw in some porno video that you watched. He said, whoa, what are you talking about? I said, well, the same level of shame should accompany both statements. Like one should be ashamed to say publicly that they're watching Candace Owens now and Candace Owens, who is at war with the widow of her purported best friend, Charlie Kirk. This is so far beyond the pill. The fact that people can say with a straight face, oh, what do you make of what Candace said? What I make of it is that it is a kind of pornography. It is rhetorical pornography. It does the same thing that regular pornography does. It titillates, it stimulates, it's slightly naughty, it's great for getting clicks and it makes tons of money on the Internet and you shouldn't be able to look at it if you're under 18 or.

Candace Owens (43:14)

Now. I remind you that one of the reasons I got fired is I said we should look into the history of pornography. Don't ask him that question. Don't ask him about real pornography and where it comes from. Don't do that. Don't you dare. Because then you would be the kind of nuclear energy that we can't harness correctly. I mean, you talk about pornography, you should talk about real pornography, you should talk about podcasts. People are getting educated and recognizing that there are double standards and that you cannot use emotional arguments like BLM didn't like. We are seeing Israel do today to go, you, you can't talk about the facts. George Floyd died and we can't talk about any more facts. And this is crazy and we're all sad and we can't even discuss things rationally. Same thing. Israel Post, October 7th. He's this is. He is arguing like a leftist. But the moment where you really recognize that I had hoped that he checked into treatment, to be honest with you, but he has zero self awareness is when Jeremy accuses me of being self aggrandizing. Take a listen to what he had to say.

Jeremy Boreing (44:13)

Candace Owens is engaged in A. As I see it, Candace is engaged in a project of self aggrandizement. I've asked Candace on two separate occasions, what do you actually believe? And on both occasions she told me, I believe what the people believe. I am the voice of the people. Never mind that that's a completely amoral statement. Never mind that I don't know who the people are in this conversation. Nevermind that the people, whoever they are, can obviously be wrong. Candace is actually saying something somewhat profound. She's saying, I will say whatever gets the most reward. She may not even know that that's what she's saying, but she's essentially. She's articulating audience capture as a virtue.

Candace Owens (45:01)

This is incredible for so many reasons. So the first and foremost, that is obviously made up. It's such an obviously made up conversation. Who just comes in and goes, what do you believe? Zero context. And then someone just replies and says, I believe whatever the people believe. Zero, like believe regarding. What are we talking about? Faith. What are we talking about? The transgender movement. We don't just ask someone. I asked her three times. She said, I believe whatever the people believe because I just want clicks. Which is why she took this path of going up against Black Lives Matter as a black person and putting on a Trump hat. Because the easy route, that was obviously the easy route to get clicks back in 2016, it's completely ridiculous. But to pretend that I am into myself, you know, I have to just shout this out because there are Daily Wire employees. You don't understand what we live through, you guys. And. And they need to hear this. And they're just somewhere. They're. They're passing away. Listening to Jeremy boreing talk about somebody who likes attention. Jeremy Boring is the CEO who woke up every day. Like, I. I'm his biggest regret. So many more regrets that I could toss out at him. I'm going to try a few. Like getting up every day, going into the office and getting your hair and your makeup done to play the role of a CEO making talent. People who had shows wait outside while you close the room, had people wash your hair, do your makeup, and style you hundreds of thousands of dollars on a clothing rack so you could go sit in the office and take phone calls like a CEO. That probably actually was the honest Jeremy. He's always been an aspiring actor. That's who he wants to be. He wants to be on a stage, and he literally builds stages every time he speaks up. A daily wire to Jeremy Boring is a person that is so obsessed with himself and Thinks about nobody else, that he put the company into debt. What happens? What's the true story? What happened to the Daily Wire? Jeremy Boring was wanting to live out his boyhood theater kid dreams, right? He flew out virtually the entire company to Hungary to bring a book that he read in middle school to life on a budget that would make HBO blush. Paying to transport bulls across the continent of Europe, and in the process, obviously plummeting a once financially healthy company into the ground. I am told last number I heard was $67 million spent on a high school dream. So much money that he had to borrow, empty a savings account, borrow money personally from Ben Shapiro to make ends meet because he couldn't let go of his high school dream. That's not ranking as his number one regret, because that's the true story of what happened to the Daily Wire. Everything else is noise. Actually, the Bulwark Podcast, which is no friend of mine. They hate me. They were pretty frank. If you go back and listen and honest about what happened at the Daily Wire, they spent some time investigating it. Take a listen.

Bulwark Podcast Host (47:49)

Because of the Daily Wire's enormous revenues, they were in their streaming ambitions. Jeremy Borg was able to become not just like, to finance this, but he is the director and the creator of it. This, like, incredibly ambitious operation. And so, like, they made these production diaries. And so I watched these videos on YouTube of them filming it. And you look at it and it's like, are they capable of doing this? I mean, we're talking of like a hundred extras, like, fist fighting in a marsh in Hungary. Like, the mist is coming in. All, like enormous crews. Then they're like, well, we're flying off to Italy. And this was on the Daily Wire's dime. They were doing this.

Candace Owens (48:26)

Yes. Yeah.

Jeremy Boreing (48:27)

Oh, my God.

Bulwark Podcast Host (48:28)

Yeah. We're flying to Italy to film with bulls, but they were imported from Spain. So it's all good. Like, it's authentic and you're just like, kaching, kaching, kaching. And it still hasn't come out. Well, that might explain some of this departure agreement where you're spending millions on a bizarre project set in Roman era Britain, but filmed in Hungary involving Italian bulls meant to be you from Spain.

Candace Owens (48:56)

That's actually. That's actually what happened. And it caused Jeremy Boring to have a mental. A mental break. And we all just had to be subjected to it as people that are working up a Daily Wire. And you would think that after taking a hiatus, she would come back and realizing this failed. Nobody wanted to buy it, Nobody wanted anything to do with it. Because like always, he casts himself in every role. Jeremy Boreing's razors. Jeremy Boreing's hair products. Jeremy Boreing's high school project. Jeremy Boreing, Jeremy Boreing all the time. Build a stage. Because I want to fire Candace, you would think. But after taking a year to reflect, he would come back and say, that's my biggest mistake, that I put me at the center of everything and I took a financially healthy company and I crushed it. And you know what else was a mistake? If I'm Jeremy Boring, I would say it was a mistake not to just end things amicably with Candace. Especially when she gave me the option after Ben jumped up on a table and accused her of being a faux sophisticate because she said genocide is always wrong. Yeah, when she came to me eight and a half months pregnant, hands open and willing to discuss and fix things or agree to amicably go our separate ways if we couldn't post October 7, he. He decided not to do that. Jeremy decided to instead maniacally convey to me that they suspected that I might have been secretly working with Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson. Like, were the three musketeers or something. Rather than simply humbling himself, admitting that he was completely deluded and wrong and that I was, in fact, always loyal to the company that I worked for, he hatched up his next great plan. Oh, I know. I'll fix two birds with one stone. Okay, I sank the company into debt, but I can fix it. My next big plan is to do what we did to Breitbart. We'll create a fake scandal. We'll accuse Candace, who's actually hard working, super pregnant. We'll accuse her of being anti Semitic and gloriously fire her over having said Christ is King. We'll do this during Lent, because surely that will lead to more daily wire signups. It worked for us once at Breitbart. You think we could do it again? The world will see it our way, right? The world will see it our way. They'll realize that we had to do the tough but the moral thing. Well, it's a psyop. We just need the money. But they'll realize that we took a moral stance for Jews, because what kind of monster tweets? Genocide is always wrong. True story. Jeremy actually personally reviewed Andrew Clavin's episode before it went out. The first attack. After we amicably departed, Jeremy proved it. He's so genius and so sure of himself. Management truly believed that they were going to get a bunch of signups of the Daily Wire in Mass. The whole world was going to support them and their debt issues would be wiped away. And it's now been two years. And you would think, Jeremy, I would think that you might have the courage to admit that it was simply a bad decision to build a stage to execute a corporate slave hanging, to go to war over with someone that would have amicably left. I think it also may have left a bad taste in a lot of employees mouths, many of whom subsequently left and leaked to the press what had happened. Because. Because unlike you, I actually knew those employees names. You never bothered to learn their names. You walked by them, they were beneath you. They weren't exactly buying what their narcissistic CEO puts his name on. Everything was selling when it came to me. And what you did to me came across as cruel and unnecessary. A little extrajudicial. Most people just. This could have been an email. Now if I was in your shoes, I. I might even rank having sent an intern on a secret mission to stalk the woman that you just fired to Dallas to Turning Point USA to put her on a plane. An intern. I might rank that as having been a mistake, A psychotic mistake no less, followed by a somehow even worse decision as a CEO to then author a maniacal, almost five page long email to the entire company admitting to the act, justifying the decision to secretly follow someone that you had gloriously fired, saying, and I quote, it's my right. It's my right to know what she's saying. That's not why you were sending her. You were sending her to ask me a question. If you wanted to know what I was saying. Turning Point USA live streams their events. Okay, we know what you were doing. Now, were I in your shoes, Jeremy? I might even rank you bizarrely telling Brett Cooper then a very young employee of yours just a few weeks before she was slated to get married, sitting her down and telling her that she. She shouldn't do that because you had big plans and you were going to turn her into a star. Because you're the magic. I would probably rank that at the tippity top of bad corporate decisions, among others. You maybe forgot yourself in that moment as you always do. Maybe got a little swept up in you. But conservatives, those pretending to be conservative companies certainly are not supposed to chase Hollywood fame above family. And I think personally that she made the right decision to leave. And then you made again the wrong decision, like the angry repressed homosexual that you are, to not just allow a young woman, again 21 years old, to Just leave. But to again, stalk. Because that's what you do. You stalk. You pretend it's a business, but you're glorified stalkers in this time in the most sadistic manner possibly ever. Offering an obscene amount of money to her maid of honor at that wedding that you didn't want her to have, to hurt her. Replacing her with her maid of honor. Because you wanted Brett Cooper, a young woman, to suffer for simply wanting to change jobs. Which is why you worked behind the scenes through the same demented PR orbit to try to smear her, the friendly pop culture young girl, as an anti Semite over an Instagram like. Because she liked a year end roundup of my podcast. And you wouldn't have that. You wouldn't have that. You know, I'd rank that as another mistake. But what I rank as, one of my prouder moments in all of that was using some of my nuclear energy to stand up for her publicly, despite contractual restraints, using my platform to say what you did to her was wrong. And when you sued me for that, for standing up for Brett Cooper, I want you to know that I communicated to my legal team that I would accept. That I would accept the penalty of hundreds of thousands of dollars which you wanted to impart upon me for me doing the right thing and standing up for someone who didn't deserve what you were putting her through. You did put me through it, and you were trying to put her through it. And I told my husband that I would gladly pay that money. I said if the judge came back in your favor, I wouldn't lie. I would admit that I consciously stood up for somebody who didn't deserve to be smeared. I'm proud of that. In fact, I would have hung it up on a wall and showed my kids that money isn't everything. Doing the right thing is. So maybe all of that could rank somewhere as you're ranking worst decisions that you've ever made. No, probably not. Right? Probably not. Because you are just a malignant narcissist. You admitted to me that you had a mental break in Hungary. They didn't sleep for days. And you never really, Jeremy, have admitted to yourself that you haven't come back from it. You really have not come back from it. You. You are not. Okay. Your plan here to redeem yourself was to try to destroy my life. You blame me for what you did in the process. Honestly, the only thing that you've been successful at is ruining your own life. So what I think that you're actually suited for, Jeremy, is to Return back to Texas where you grew up. That key you wear around that your neck, that bent key that you wear as a necklace every day. For those of you who don't know that Key Key, which the company is named after, BentKey Ventures, is a key that he's kept around his neck for 28 years from his hometown. And it unlocks a playhouse theater where he once performed on stage. I think that that's where he should return. He's best suited to go back to Texas, to quit playing pretend in the real world, and to resume his playhouse acting. How's that? We'll be right back after. All right, you guys very quickly want to remind you about American Financing because between groceries, travel and higher prices, it's easy to feel completely overwhelmed, especially if you are already relying on credit cards to cover the basics. If that debt is piling up, you should know that you are not alone. If you're a homeowner, you might have considered making that switch, maybe reaching out to American Financing, but hesitated because you did not want to give up your low mortgage rate. Well, that's why American Financing created the Smart Equity Loan. It's a simple, smart way to get your finances back on track without giving up your low mortgage rate. Unlike a heloc, which can fluctuate with the market, the Smart Equity loan offers a fixed rate so you'll have one predictable monthly payment. It lets you use your home's equity to pay off high interest debt, free up your cash flow and still keep your existing mortgage intact. There are no upfront fees to find out if you qualify, so call 800-795-1210. That's 800-795-1210 or visit American Financing dotnet/ Owens. Again, that's American Financing dotnet/ Owens. All right, you guys. Now to tell you that we have some new merch on the website like I always do. You can also buy our autographed bundle. It's both of our hard my hard copy books make them a Sandwich and Blackout both hand signed by me. And we have also merged our subscription tiers to make things easier into one club. Candace here for 1199amonth or you can pay 120 for the entire year. We have great merch. And also I forgot to say we have a new website and things are looking shiny. All right, top comment from last episode. Michael writes calling her assassinated husband's memorial an event of the century is a new form of grief that has never been seen before. Yeah, I. Like I said, I'm done making excuses. After she got caught red handed and everything I'm learning from the employees right now, like she was very much involved in a lot of the PR stuff. She, I assumed everyone was just doing things and she was gathering herself when she was like at home in the field condition. Nope. She was in the office every day and she was making informed decisions alongside Stacy Sheridan and this Marina Minas who I need to take time to look into, who apparently, by the way, ironically watches my show every day in the office. Turning Point USA watches this show live in the office and then fired someone for screenshotting the show in the office. I don't even, I, I, I don't comprehend that. I'm going to be honest with you. Okay, let's get into some of your comments from today's episode. Kiki writes, Candace, what do you mean Erica said she was watching your show in the beginning and learning her HUS just murdered and she was waiting to tune into your next episode. She did not call and ask you for every detail. Be for real, Erica. She thinks we are dumb again. Yes. In retrospect I realize and have since learned that she did tell me a lot of fibs during our sit down and the biggest one for me is just the consistent throwing Andrew Cole under the bus and then me learning that Andrew told the truth from other people. I'm getting, I was getting played. I was getting played and I will own the fact that I was not in a position emotionally to contend with her acting in that manner at all. Obviously I knew Charlie personally, so I was not, look, this story was not objective for me. This has been a subjective story. I was genuinely in grief and my sister was correct when she said, you have suffered a trauma. I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep. I had, when I went to Wyoming, it was, I was starting to go through the phase of bargaining and hoping that Charlie really was alive. Like trying to find the part, the pocket of the Internet that would tell me that he was actually secretly alive. And I realized that that's not a good place to be in and I need to take a break and to deal and get to the stage of acceptance. And I don't think, I don't regret that. It took me a while to even look at what other people were saying. I think I needed to believe that these were his real friends and that everything in his life was, I don't know, I don't know what I need to believe. I, I was going through my own process. I wasn't ready and I am ready now because I Don't like people lie to my face. And I don't like when people use a lot of money and PR agents and I just feel foolish to be honest with you and then send me a cease and desist is crazy. Like you don't have a right to investigate what happened to Charlie. You don't have a right to ask questions about his murder because our contract covers everybody and their mamas. Goodbye again. Unconscionable. Something I could not have known when I signed that agreement to tour with Charlie Kirk is that he was going to be publicly assassinated. And the people at the organization that he built, okay, many nights of no sleep were going to be colluding to obscure things from the public. That's a pretty strong thing that I could not have known. I just. I'm so. This whole contract stuff, it's fake, it's gay, it's over. We left it in 2025. Okay? The lawsuit stuff, to basically say I'm allowed to be immoral because you signed a contract and didn't perceive how I could be immoral is just done. You're welcome. It's over. It's done. And the people that do this should just be called that at all times. Honor no contracts where people are trying to make it so that they can treat you immorally. Honor no contracts. There's no way a contract can be written that says I'm allowed to be a jerk, an asshole. I'm allowed to lie and I'm allowed to abuse you because you sign the dotted line. Blow them up. Blow them up. Okay, I'm sorry. No. This is the time where I make a statement that I did tell the priest that I would chill and I am gonna talk to him. Actually, I realize it's been probably like seven weeks since I've spoken to him. I'm gonna get on that. Anyways. Call. Shia writes Season 3, Episode 4 of Everyone Grieves Differently. Oh, no, you got that wrong. We're in season eight. I think actually seven sheets writes boring. Makes my skin crawl. All the more reason we're here watching you and have been long before the tragedy of Charlie Kirk and continue to be, God bless you, our Joan of Arc. I will keep dropping these and more if we can get two hour episodes with Candace, but I love what we get. So appreciate it. That's a tremendous donation. I really appreciate you guys. And yeah, I just. I don't know, maybe something did break inside of me with this whole Charlie Kirk thing, but it is. It is the audacity of all of it, these, they're such bad people. That's what I want you to know. They're such bad people. I have not even told you 10% of what Jeremy bore in put me through. I mean, and yeah, every time it was, we'll bankrupt you. We'll bankrupt you. If you tell anybody what we're doing to you, we'll bankrupt you. You're. You're basically allowed to write contracts to abuse people because normal people, when they're signing these agreements, you don't, you don't think that it's being written so that they can abuse you. You're like, oh, we're just agreeing, like, I'm going to show up to work, do the right thing, be honest with you, have a. Communicate with you about what I'm going through, and depart amicably. But within the world of politics, entertainment, that's not what they're doing. And that's what I, I want to use my platform to let you guys know that's not what they're doing. They're. They're trying to control you and it's very sinister. And I, I could not stay silent with them trying to pull that move on Brett Cooper like I was. I'm good. Okay. My kids will be proud of me one day. I'm good. Jeannie Thompson writes. Erica kept referring to Charlie as still directing Turning Point usa rather than acknowledging that Turning Point USA is an organization established and led by God. That is a cult. Yes, I agree with you. It's very something about all of it, even keeping the mic and putting it in a cage and setting up his dinner at a fundraiser. There's something that feels like a seance to me. And we couldn't control him when he was alive, but we can control him now that he's dead. And we can control you and tell you what you're. What he would have wanted. How can you debate that? This is what he would want. He's dancing in heaven. How can you debate that? And if you do debate that, well, sorry, guys, because now his, his, his widow is saying that, so. How dare you. That there's something about that that I really don't like. And that something is all of it. I like none of it, actually. Ms. Mint Juleps writes, keep it going, Team Candace. Take it to the max. I'm with you all the way. Thank you so much. Julia writes, I'll never be too far right to want the truth, even if it goes against the narrative. Christ is king. The non elitists are proud of you. It's crazy to go backward and to realize I tweeted, Christ is king. Not at anybody. And they went ahead and tried to spin that into an anti Semitic attack. But we're not going to acknowledge these very Semitic Palestinians being mass murdered. They really are trying to convince us that words hurt more than mass murder. That's just crazy. That genuinely is just so objectively crazy. And they do this without even flinching. They're like, whoa, did you see what Candace Owens said on her podcast? That's pornography. The sexual rituals going on in Israel. The people that are standing up on nested talking about how they're being raped and the politicians are all in on it. Israel, blackmailing people using sexual blackmail. The mass murder of the children. That is not pornography. No, not pornography at all. Israel. Once upon a time, what was it in 2002? Taking over the television television sets in Gaza and blaring out pornography to use it as a spiritual weapon against them. That's. No, that's. That's God. That's what God mandated. That's what he wanted. Crazy son of a guppy writes odd. How could you even put these sentences together after the trauma of what had just happened? Most people would still be curled up in a fetal position, drooling, barely responsive. Yes, I totally agree with you. I agree that all of it's unusual at best. We were then told it's supernatural. That it's like that is what God can do in your life. And this gets into a larger argument about why people need to be ordained as priests. And you shouldn't be listening to people turn biblical proverb into bubble gum. It's a snapple fact that you could just insert it anywhere. Well, Bible talks about grieving, and so that could mean selling T shirts or something. Christians are different. It's supernatural. It's like that is literally why you should consult a priest on these batters. You are not. Everybody can just wake up and be a pastor because they just turn it into their own thoughts and their own opinions and the people that they like and don't like and then throw in an occasional biblical verse and then go, ha. Can't touch this. Na na na na. Biblical verse. Can't touch this. No, we're touching this and we're saying what you're telling us is wild. We have spiritual intuition. It feels wrong because there is something that's wrong. It's very obvious something is wrong with Turning Point usa. It's kind of been obvious since Charlie got assassinated. So we're going to go ahead and acknowledge that all together. 1, 2, 3. Something is not right with Turning Point USA. Okay, I'm glad we did that. It feels like the first step of many. Anyways, tomorrow. Speaking of Palestinian lives that have been lost and my radical transformation, which was no transformation at all, I actually have not changed any of my opinions. I've always thought murdering children is wrong, but I'm pro life. Bassem Youssef was a major reason that I woke up and the Daily Wire denied my request while I was there to have him on my show. Well, guess what? This is not their show anymore. It's my show. And so Bassett Youssef is going to be joining me live and we're going to discuss a variety of topics. But I'm really grateful to the people who spoke out early on and awakened, I think, a lot of us to the horrors of what's going on in Israel. And he's one of them. So we'll see you guys tomor.