Candace | Episode 263: "Megyn Kelly Goes SCORCHED EARTH On Those Lying About Charlie Kirk"
Date: November 12, 2025
Host: Candace Owens
Main Theme: Unraveling Posthumous Narratives and Truths Around Charlie Kirk’s Death, Media Integrity, and Zionist Influence

Overview

This episode of "Candace" sees Candace Owens flying solo and unapologetic. She tackles the fallout from Charlie Kirk’s death—calling out what she describes as coordinated deception by Zionist and Turning Point USA (TPUSA) insiders. Owens focuses particularly on false narratives disseminated about her, Charlie Kirk, and especially Erica Kirk; the integrity of Ben Shapiro and Dave Rubin; Megyn Kelly’s retrieval of factual evidence; and broader issues about influence, loyalty, and truth-telling within American conservative media circles.

Owens brings receipts, quotes, and new information on the ongoing drama, especially focusing on Megyn Kelly's public rebuttal to lies spread in the wake of Kirk’s death. She interweaves personal analysis, listener tips, and specific, granular claims—going "Max" on confronting what she calls the “avalanche of truth” now overtaking deliberate misinformation.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Megyn Kelly Checks Ben Shapiro’s False Claims

• Setting the Stage:
  Owens recaps how Ben Shapiro, during a live appearance with Megyn Kelly, accused Owens of suggesting Erica Kirk murdered her husband, Charlie Kirk. Shapiro repeatedly asserted this despite Kelly expressing skepticism and discomfort at the claim.
• Megyn Kelly’s Response (05:28):
  In a follow-up Q&A, Kelly publicly debunks Shapiro’s statement:

  “He said that Candace has been claiming Erica Kirk was behind the murder of Charlie, which I had not heard... I have since learned it is not true. Candace has not made that claim. In fact, I've now seen several clips of Candace specifically defending Erica Kirk and saying she would never make a claim like that.”
  (Megyn Kelly, 05:28-06:17)

• Owens’ Commentary:
  Owens commends Kelly’s composure under pressure and shames the tactic of leveraging falsehoods for moral blackmail, stating:

  “It's the most disrespectful thing that you can do to someone that you purport to be friends with or friendly with... That’s just not cool beyond anything else.” (Candace, 06:17)

2. Peer Pressure, Media Training, and The Avalanche of Truth

• On Lying in Public:
  Owens points out the difference between a mistake and deliberate, premeditated narrative manipulation, emphasizing Shapiro’s conduct as malicious, not mistaken.
• Dave Rubin’s Take (07:04):
  Dave Rubin defends the difficulty of confronting peers on stage, saying:

  “It is not easy to go onto someone else's show in general when it's not a live audience and criticize them. But it's really not easy to do it when you're in front of thousands of people... And he did it absolutely respectfully…” (Dave Rubin, 07:04-07:58)

• Candace Rebuts Rubin:
  Owens counters Rubin’s view, arguing that the supposed “bravery” is invalidated if you arrive intending to deceive.

3. Tucker Carlson’s Testimony & Charlie Kirk’s Final Days

• Tucker’s Account Played On-Air (10:13):

  “Before that speech that I gave in July, we had a conversation about this backstage right before I went on, and I was fulminating... The only one you're not allowed to talk about is Israeli intelligence... Charlie looked at me... and said, go all the way. Do it. Go all the way.”
  (Tucker Carlson, 10:13-11:50)

• Verification via Megyn Kelly’s Recording:
  Kelly produces video backing Tucker’s story—capturing Charlie telling Tucker to “Go, Max” before going on stage.

  “He says to Tucker, go, Max... And what was so important to him to tell Tucker was, go, go, Max. Here it is.”
  (Megyn Kelly, 12:33)

4. Owens’ Running List: Lies Circulating After Kirk’s Death

Owens rattles off a multipoint list of fraud, misinformation, or propaganda spread by TPUSA insiders and affiliated figures.
Notable entries include:

• Mythic “blood-soaked” Mikey McCoy (Pastor Rob McCoy)
• Charlie as unwavering Israel supporter (Josh Hammer, BB Netanyahu, other Zionist influencers)
• False claims about event security and choice of the outdoor amphitheater
• Claims about Turning Point’s financial practices

Owens implies a culture of self-preservation and internal cover-up, emboldened under Erica Kirk’s leadership.

5. Event Planning Anomalies & Potential Malfeasance

• Timeline Games:
  Candace scrutinizes the unusually late scheduling and rushed approval of the final event Kirk spoke at, as well as the ignored warnings about outdoor venue safety.
• “Boots on the Ground”:
  She has a live call to action for tips about which employees approved and scouted the venue. She wants to expose those responsible for what she frames as security vulnerabilities.

6. Strange Figures, Unanswered Questions, and Military Ties

• The “Old Man With the Bush”:
  Owens tracks a mysterious elderly attendee, revealed as Butch Hibbs—brother of Calvary Chapel’s Jack Hibbs, both from military families.
• Speculation on Religious-Military Complex:
  She ponders aloud whether military or intelligence ties explain the prevalence of certain clergy in the TPUSA orbit.

7. On Cash Patel’s “Honeypot” Lawsuit and Public Life

Owens goes after Cash Patel and his partner Alexis Wilkins for a $5 million lawsuit over online rumors Wilkins is an Israeli “honeypot.”

• Expresses contempt for using courts to “bankrupt people because you don’t like what’s on the Internet.”
• Suggests the lawsuit draws more scrutiny than it solves (Streisand Effect).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Candace Owens (mocking posthumous spin):

  “I think they thought Charlie Kirk would get assassinated... and then convince the world that he was actually besties with Ben Shapiro and Josh Hammer. He didn't even know Candace Owens.” (00:28)

• Owens on Zionist panic:

  “Can we all agree Zionists are not acting right. They are panicking. Panicking so much that they randomly sent Ben Shapiro out into the daylight.” (approx. 01:45)

• Megyn Kelly clearing Candace’s name:

  “Candace has not made that claim... She's specifically been defending Erica Kirk and she's been saying she does not think that of Erica.” (05:28)

• Tucker Carlson’s recap of Charlie’s last instructions:

  “Charlie looked at me, I'll never forget it, and said, go all the way. Do it. Go all the way.” (11:38)

• Owens on her investigation:

  “If you went to high school with Mikey McCoy, Dylan Erickson, or Austin Erickson, I would like to hear from you because I'm having some trouble tracking these people. It's like they just materialize…” (Post-ad, ~46:00)

• On lawsuits over online gossip:

  “If you have to sue someone to prove... that your relationship is really authentic... it probably isn’t.” (Approx. 40:00)

Segment Timestamps

• False Narrative on Candace/Erica Kirk—Ben Shapiro, Megyn Kelly confronts the claim: 00:28–06:17
• Dave Rubin’s defense of Shapiro, Candace’s critique: 07:04–07:58
• Tucker Carlson on Charlie’s final days & “Go Max” evidence: 10:13–13:24
• List of TPUSA/Turning Point Lies: 16:00–21:00
• Anomalies in event planning, venue selection, and suspicious personnel: 21:00–28:00
• “Old man by the bush”/Butch Hibbs & speculation on military/pastor connections: 29:30–34:36
• Cash Patel lawsuit and commentary on public figures and internet rumors: 38:30–44:00
• Listener comments, TPUSA insider shoutouts, further appeals for tips: 46:00–51:00
• Expanded discussion on Israel’s foreign policy role and manipulation: 52:00–55:00
• Closing thoughts, preview of upcoming episodes, new translation availability: 57:00–end

Listener Q&A & Candace’s Reflections

• Candace reads and responds to live comments, highlighting:
  • Her ongoing investigation and requests for tips on TPUSA insiders
  • Broader frustration with media manipulation and organizational deception
  • Jokes about “Go, Max” as future merch
  • The importance of not letting up on the search for truth, despite pressure from within the movement to stop asking questions

Tone and Style

Candace Owens leans into a confrontational, unapologetic, and conspiratorial style. She mixes earnest outrage with biting sarcasm and running inside jokes. The tone is marked by directness, pointed personal addresses ("I am on to you" to TPUSA figures), and calls to action for crowd-sourced intelligence.

Summary

This episode is a full-throttle exposé and rallying cry. Candace insists the truth about Charlie Kirk’s death—and ensuing dishonesty from allies, organizations, and media—is being revealed despite coordinated efforts at narrative control. With Megyn Kelly joining her in repudiating the lies, and with hard evidence (including never-before-heard backstage audio and direct quotes), Owens lays out a case for endemic duplicity inside the conservative media machine and the necessity for relentless, public questioning. She previews future investigations into the financials of TPUSA and the intertwining of faith, money, and possibly intelligence work, positioning herself as both the movement’s internal whistleblower and the last, loud, “free and unfiltered” advocate for what she sees as the suppressed truth.