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Candace Owens
Why am I back here when the last time I came on your show I got canceled so many times?
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Kanye West
What did happen?
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Unknown
Actually, that's a great place to start.
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Kanye West
You came on the show, so don't live it down.
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Candace Owens
The last interview I did, it was the number one question, why did you go on Candice Owens show?
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Kanye West
Why did you?
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Candace Owens
I lost a few festivals. I'm sure that I don't get booked for a lot of stuff because I came on your show. So. Yeah. What is this effect?
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Kanye West
It's super interesting. Yeah.
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Candace Owens
And you weren't even controversial then compared to how you are now.
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Kanye West
So I think I've always been controversial simply because I think for myself that in and of itself is the most controversial thing I've realized that you could possibly do. And when you think for yourself and you're not controlled by a corporate entity, that just terrifies them because there are pre approved ideas. And so I became enemy number one when I defied like the BLM stuff. And now it's kind of along the same lines. I'm just not towing the Zionist talking points or whatever. And so I'm enemy, public enemy number one.
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Candace Owens
Last time we talked and that was the subject we talked on. But now things have changed. And you have this war in Israel. It's not war, but we call it a genocide. But BLM are pro Palestinian and so are you. So it's kind of come round. So do you now like.
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Kanye West
No, I don't support BLM at all.
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Candace Owens
Okay.
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Kanye West
I don't support BLM because it pigeonholes black people into groupthink. And the entire BLM Incorporated accomplished absolutely nothing for black people other than the destruction of black neighborhoods, which I foresaw. Obviously when with the amount of money that they were raising, it was so obvious that none of it was going to go towards black people. But they were encouraging criminality and making black people feel justified in committing crimes as if it wasn't going to ultimately harm their lives. You get a record, you have a record, you know, you don't just get to burn down Wendy's and go, well, this was in the name of George Floyd and think that that's not going to impact the rest of your life. And so I just saw, I think for me, media simulation psychology is what I'm super fascinated by. And groupthink, group psychology is arguably the most fascinating. Like the madness of crowds and what people will believe and what people will say because a bunch of people are saying it. Mm.
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Candace Owens
Yes, Covid. That was the last time we talked, was post Covid. But that's really interesting. So when the war broke out, I thought, oh, this is part of the old world. Because we're talking about this very small demographic and a small war. Yeah. In the scale of, like, what Covid has done, it seems like a smaller thing. So when you talk about Palestinians and we say, okay, like, I don't know what the number is now, I would say maybe like 150,000 people. You know, I don't know. Thousands of people are under the rubble, and you can't really account for how many. What the death toll is right now. But we're speaking about this in the same time where you've had, like, 20 something million people die, which is also a genocide, you know, and so it's like a mini genocide within a big genocide.
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Kanye West
It's interesting.
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Candace Owens
And I feel like talking about who that is perpetrating. That is the issue. You can't. You can't talk about Bill Gates or what the thought is, you know, and who. Cause this is. This is. It's very Western. It's not Middle Eastern. It's a Western thing.
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Kanye West
What do you mean by that when you say it's a Western thing?
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Candace Owens
Well, I just. I just thought that the concept of the un, like, the last time we talked about it, we were talking about the concept of how Covid said, we're all one and we're in this together. That concept, it was sort of like this Western ideology of how we're gonna go forward in humanity, that we are all one and we're gonna have, like, one world government, and we're gonna be able to, like, regulate everyone to work in this thing. And that the west is almost like the beacon or the leadership of this thought, you know, and that other things will fold into it. And I think maybe the last time we met, the Ukraine war might have just started. So that seemed like that was the only war that was happening, but that was really a fight for this Western kind of leadership to come forward or come through for who that's gonna be. You know, it's not. And Putin had to fold into this, and that was where we were at, you know. But now, in, like, a bigger sense, you see, like, in America, there's crazy stuff happening, and there's also, like, an awakening that's happening in America about where people stand and where, like, the Christians stand, Jews for Jesus, the Jewish people, the Zionists. Like, there's so many categories now happening within America, you know, and then now you have election time. You have just two party, like, blanket segregation of the Left and right within all of these other categories. Like, it's very confusing. So, yeah, I've just been canceled again this week, so. Because. Because, you know, not fully grasping this concept of what is going on, because I obviously, I just recently got back into the US So I had to kind of land running to understand what's going on. So you've got Jill Stein, who's the Jewish. The only Jewish who's pro Palestine. Then you have RFK and Trump join forces, which I thought, oh, that's two against one, which means that he's gonna win, because that's like, more people voting for Trump because there's just, like, he's. RFK's just pulled in this demographic of people like me who I thought I understand him more than Kamala Harris and Trump. And I was like, oh, he seems like somebody who cares about health, and I'm making all this EMF clothing, and he seems like a really chill person. And then. So, yeah, I said that, and I got. I got canceled for tweeting it. But this is why I wanted to come on and get a bit more insight into. Where are you putting all this? You know.
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Kanye West
You know, I have largely abstained from politics, this political cycle, because I don't think that there is clear messaging. And what you're talking about, I think, is what the American people are feeling, which is there's a lot of confusion. And you have this sort of rare insight into Hollywood, obviously. I absolutely hate Hollywood. I think it's all demonic. I think it's a pagan culture of creating stars in the galaxy and teaching people to worship these stars. And I've done a lot of study into the background of Hollywood and have really learned that it was quite literally designed that way. It was designed as a demonic force to be able to control people and control their behavior. And what's fascinating to me, though, is that on the outside, what they're trying to sell to people is that they are the most accepting. Loving. Love is love. We absolutely must unite in Hollywood and issue statements against Donald Trump. Like, this is why you're being canceled again. Because God forbid you say Donald Trump might win, because they've kind of turned him, I guess, into, like, a symbol of hatred, like, we're good people because we hate this man. But then to have that happening at the exact same time where virtually all of Hollywood is silent on the Palestine, Israel issue, that fascinates me. That absolutely fascinates me, because that, to me, signifies a fear, because they were rabid when Trump ran the first time. And I'm talking everyone. I mean, even Taylor Swift did this documentary where she like fake cried to her parents and said like, I need to use my platform to speak out because like if he gets elected, women this, women that, whatever she was saying, then you have this objective reality on your phone on X, right? This Elon Musk frees the bird. And I'm seeing every day these Palestinian children being blown up, okay? And I'm hearing the sound of a mother wailing as she's holding her child that died because a bomb was dropped in the middle of the night. I'm reading articles from Doctors Without Borders who have been in many wars and offered their services. And one of them wrote this piece and said, this is not a war, this is an annihilation. And he described the kids not having morphine, using a Civil war tool to saw off their limbs. And I look at Hollywood and they say nothing because they're fearful that speaking out on this issue might get them canceled. What is the world to make of that? Sort of a cowardice, that sort of a hypocrisy all in speaking about Trump, because God forbid you don't, you can't get your abortion right. Nothing on the Israel Palestine issue.
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Candace Owens
I think that's to do with it's power, right? And in order for you to gain self power, you have to go through some sort of a sacrifice. And you, what you just went through is sacrificing the Candace Owens that was to then you had to go through the door to become the thing you are now. And if you say Christ is king and you take the shot and you get canceled and you get pulled from everything and you're rejected by society, but God can strengthen you and help you build your own thing. And a lot of people are scared to go through that. So Kanye had to go through it. But unless he sacrificed himself in the version he was already. And I feel like I had to go through that years ago, you know, and unless you're prepared to go through that and go through the fall, you don't come out knowing the truth, right? And a lot of people are hanging onto their versions of what they're told they are. And it's the same as me saying, hey, Trump might win. And a lot of people wrote to me and messaged me instantly saying you're killing the version you are, you know, and, and I'd already moved on. But everyone to everyone to majority of the human beings, I'm this refugee immigrant, you know, pro. I should be pro Kamala Harris, because she's Tamil. And, you know, she's all for women. And this is, like, fed to me. And it was just like, you gotta do this. This is the person. This is your person, you know, like, how dare you go up against this person? But I think that's, like. I feel like that's the. The reason, like, people find a coat, you know, and they just want to hang on to it. And. But. But like we said, this is like a moment of transformation. And a lot of people are going through the transformation. A lot of people are going through the awakening of, like, how to deal with it. Because there's loads of. There's like, a few things that confuse me. One is, you know, becoming Christian in this time, you know, and if I'm listening to, like, a Christian service and the emphasis is always on Israel, you know, and how it is the chosen place, and all of the characters in the Bible are from there. And I understand, like, why that's such an important topic to the American Christians. And even my mom, who's been a Christian, you know, she's been on her pilgrimage to Israel and things like that. And I just find it really a really important place to get to where we discuss who the Palestinians are, you know, And I think, like, I was listening to Kim Iverson where she was saying, oh, you know, Palestinians are also original people of Judah. And it's true, like, if you do DNA tests, you'd find that there's been this mixing, and both of these places, of course, they've been in the same demographic for thousands of years. There's going to be mixing and that the blood is going to be the same almost, you know, and they. They're able to annihilate Palestinians because they say, that's the Philistines. You're supposed to kill them, you know, And. And I think that's, like, it just brings it back to really understanding the scripture. But who wrote it, when it was written, what is the version you're reading, and all of these things which I think you're trying to talk about. But, you know, we just have to talk about it in this time where there's all this other confusion built around it and people canceling every step of the way, when actually these conversations are really important, you know, for me as a. As a Christian now, I need to figure that out, you know, and what you were saying is that the fact that Israel might be like a concept, you know, it's like a belief. It's anybody who believes in Christ, that's Israel, and that it might not necessarily be a geographical spot, you know, where you're like, I'm going to locate it to this position on the GPS and then annihilate everyone in it. And whoever lives in this GPS location now is Israel. And so it's really like, I think, a very interesting conversation. I know we started on Hollywood, but. No, but, you know, the, they're sort of like, I don't know, they're sort of in a system that is, is reluctant to do the transformation, but the transformation is happening regardless and especially I think in the next four years. Even Trump has to confront that. Even RFK has to confront that. You know, the leaders. And if you say Kamala Harris, who has been in power, you know, she's, you see the way she has to deal with it and the way she's dealing with it, you know, so it's not even like, what is Kamala gonna do? It's what is Kamala doing right now? Because she's in power. And so that's why I think it's a really important and interesting conversation because even the leaders of America are gonna go through this.
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Unknown
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Kanye West
I got really interested in the history of Hollywood and there was this kind of a wacky Guy, but admittedly brilliant, named Kenneth Anger. He's director, producer. Just been in Hollywood for a very long time, and he wrote two books called Hollywood Babylon. It's a fascinating read. Fascinating read where he speaks about, first and foremost, how the bootleggers, the criminals set up Hollywood. They were really the carnies, right? And people started coming to the show, and if they could create something, they realized they could draw crowds and people would sort of worship these people. And I'm talking trash people, like, middle of nowhere, Midwest. They kind of created this carnival experience for them. And the next thing you knew, these people were stars. And how. It's like the movie Babylon, I haven't seen it.
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Candace Owens
You should watch it.
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Kanye West
Is that, like, the original one?
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Candace Owens
It's the one with Brad Pitt. It's the one with Brad Pitt. And it's recent. And it's really interesting because they have the tunnels and they talk about this kind of crazy debauchery and people being in tunnels and stuff underneath Hollywood in the 1920s.
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Kanye West
That's where it starts. Yeah, the golden age. And when he starts sharing how they really built it up. I am so committed to the idea that Hollywood is fully demonic. I mean, in terms of them even making sure. Like, there were certain directors that made sure every single actor and actress that was brought in in that film studio was either a lesbian or homosexual, because they wanted that agenda. And how many of them? Too many of them were pedophiles as well. And they wanted to encourage pedophiles and give to become stars because then they could control them. Like, there was always a system of blackmail, suspicious deaths if somebody spoke out or tried to get out of Hollywood. And it was actually reading this book that made me realize that so. So many of these things that were told to me by Kanye, like, when he was going through all of that stuff, I was not awake yet to what he was speaking about because it seemed. It's so evil. It does sound crazy, right? When he kept saying to me, this person is an op. This person is an op. I'm like, why do you keep. When I didn't believe him or didn't understand him, he'd be like, you're an op. And I'm like, what are you? What are you? Why do you keep calling everybody an op? And then you learn that these people and these handlers have always existed and the system of blackmail always existed, and that they would sit down and commit themselves to ideas. Like, I even feel weird now wearing pants, knowing that a Hollywood director quite literally convinced women to all start Wearing pants with this woman who was sleeping with men and women, putting her on the red carpet and having her sell that. And so it's interesting because Amber Rose was sitting in this chair, and I was speaking to her about this, and she was saying very much what you're speaking about, that she had all of the best intentions when she arrived into Hollywood. And then they kept telling her, you have to be this thing. Like, you have to keep selling the idea of being a slut to women. Like, this is what freedom is. And she didn't want to do that anymore. Like, she didn't feel empowered by taking her clothes off. But they were telling her, the handlers, like, if you don't do that, you're not going to book. You're not going to get money. You're not going to book the covers of all of these magazines. And you can think about all of these stars that are kind of in that trap, like, whether it's Cardi B. Lizzo, they're kind of telling her her brand has got to be, like, fat. And you have to be empowered about obesity and Cardi. It's like gangster rap and also WAP and all of these things. And you see that they're creating this demonic pagan culture, trying to get people to worship things that don't actually fulfill them and make them happy.
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Candace Owens
Wow. It's more. I think it's more. It's. I say different a bit because of the Hindu, like, everyone's great vibes, you know? Like, if you take Kamala Harris, she's named Kamala, which is the tenth mahavidya, which is the ten goddesses. And Matangi, I'm named after the ninth one. So Shiva's wife sucked these three.
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Kanye West
Slow this down for me because I actually don't know much about the Hindu theory.
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Candace Owens
Okay, so Shiva, which is the main God in Hinduism, he has a wife called Sakthi, Okay? And before she was incarnated at Sakti, which means strength, she was called power. Yeah. So Shiva had a wife called Parvati, where the word power comes from. And she kills herself, and then she's born again as strength, and he marries her. But the way it works is that Shiva cannot destroy. He's. He's a destroyer of ignorance, and he cannot destroy without power. You know? So each couple that Brahma is. And Vishnu, these. They all have counterparts that give them the strength to be who they are. And so Shiva's wife Shakti splits into 10 goddesses when she's going out to do her work as this power, strength person. Okay. And so when she splits into 10 goddesses, she covers 10 directions of the universe, and each goddess, like, covers a certain, you know, place in the compass kind of thing. And the ninth one is Matangi, which is the goddess of music, the arts, and knowledge. And the tenth one is Kamala. Yeah. And she's a goddess of bliss, which is why she laughs all the time. Right.
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Kanye West
But quite the laugh. Yeah.
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Candace Owens
Like, literally what it is. So she's also, like, the goddess of lotuses and bliss. Okay, so, like, if you wrote for this goddess to run America, you're promised bliss. And the bliss in Hinduism. Right. Now, I don't know if it was the original version, but right now is that it's coexistence and everything goes, and everyone's accepted and everybody's welcome and the door is open for everyone, which is Kamala's whole thing. Right. No one's left behind. And the inclusiveness is what Hollywood is selling. But I know that when I was a Hindu, you did have concepts of gods and demons. Like, you don't just have everyone's a God in Hinduism. Not everyone's perfect, and not everyone is welcome. Demons were not allowed in heaven. You know, you had demons at the gates of heaven fighting off other demons who wanted to be gods. It's kind of similar to Christianity in that way. So it's not. So this new age concept of everybody's gray and everyone's welcome and there's nothing wrong with you if you feel a certain way. It's weird, because actually, in Hinduism, that is not the thing. And if you take a lot of, like, Israelis, their whole thing is Hinduism. A lot of them. A lot of them gravitate towards. You know, if you take the non. If you take the Jewish religion that is progressive, they gravitate towards Hinduism. Right. And that. And. And that kind of ties in, because Babylonia and the Babylonians and the Sumerians would have had Hinduism interjected into it.
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Kanye West
In the, like, the Babylonian Talmud.
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Candace Owens
Well, whatever. Like, the worshiping of the cows and things like that is kind of Hinduism. This is what I was trying to talk to PBD about, because if you take the first town in Mesopotamia on the Euphrates river, it's called Ur, and Ur means town in Tamil, which is the language I speak. So. And if you take, like, Abraham's dad, who used to, like, chisel idols, that was his job. Like, Hinduism has that. A lot of idol worship. You know, we create idols and we dress it up and we worship it, and we also worship cows. We Worship snakes, like Hinduism does, do all of that. So it has a lot in common with the Babylonian belief system. And Hollywood loves it. You know, stars love it and Israelis love it. You know, so there is. There is this whole bit that comes from. Because if you take that other documentary that was banned, the one that Kyrie tweeted that.
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Kanye West
Did they actually ban it in the end? No, I think it's still on Amazon. I think there were calls to ban it.
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Candace Owens
I know you're not allowed to talk.
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Kanye West
About it, but you're not allowed to tweet about it. That's for sure.
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Candace Owens
You're not allowed to tweet about it. But it was fascinating because the first half an hour it talks about how the Tamil language makes up 30% of, you know, whether it's Hebrew, Aramaic and all of these languages.
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Kanye West
Yeah, from Hebrews. Just so people can know what we're speaking about. Kyrie Irving, the basketball player, tweeted out a link to a documentary called From Hebrews to Negroes.
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Candace Owens
Yeah.
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Kanye West
And it was available on Amazon. He tweeted it absent any commentary and cancel. Culture came for him like I've never seen. And they were wanting him to take six steps to get his life back for sharing a documentary link that he didn't even. He didn't do the documentary. He was just sharing it. But this documentary, and you're just saying what it's like.
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Candace Owens
Well, I'm a Tamil, so I'm the only Tamil in this Hollywood music whatever scene. So, like, you know, it's like, yeah, I get that. Like, some of those words are older than Sanskrit, you know.
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Kanye West
And did you watch the full documentary?
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Candace Owens
I did, yeah.
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Kanye West
Can you communicate to people?
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Candace Owens
Yeah.
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Kanye West
You know what I'm saying?
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Candace Owens
Well, I can't fully remember it because I watched it when he tweeted it, but I just remember the first half an hour they talk about linguistics and I'm into words and I'm into linguistics and blah, blah, blah. So I was watching it and thinking, yeah, all of those words are. Right. They are Tamil and that I didn't. I don't know Hebrew. But it was interesting to see Tamil words that are the same as Hebrew words or, you know, Sanskrit and Aramaic and, you know, whatever the comparison. There was another one that they compared it to, but these is true. And then in my own. With my own research, I later found out that if you take a sesame seed. So Tamils love sesame oil, right? They cook their base cooking oil is sesame oil. I know. On Instagram, it's such a fad to Cancel seed oils and things like that. But for thousands of years, our cooking base has been sesame oil. Whereas the North Indians. And the Indians use ghee, and that's what they're famous for. But we don't use ghee. It doesn't come from, you know, in Sri Lanka we don't use it, we don't have it. And in South India, they don't use ghee. And South India is also a place. If you go on Google Maps and zoom into all of the towns in South India, in Tamil Nadu, you'll see it all ends with Ur because it means town, you know, so it's like London town, whatever town. And they all end with you are. And to this day. And so the sesame oil thing, it's, it's like a. If you, if you look at the one that's cultivated in Africa and in the Middle east, it's called Indo sesame, right? So all of their sesame comes from India. It's the Indian sesame that then was farmed in Africa and in the Middle East. So in, in Africa, they don't have sesame that is farmable. So the African sesame is not the one that you can cultivate and extract things from. So the one that traveled all the way to the Middle east is the Indian version. Right. And that's the one they still have now. But in the Middle east, when they have the concept to open sesame, it comes from this magical powers of the sesame seed because it was so good for so many things. So this was transported, right, from India through Africa, the Middle east or India Middle east to Africa. But there was travel going on for thousands of years. Okay. And so it's just, even just from that, you can tell. Yes, language. So whoever's doing that is also spreading language and spreading words, you know. And so the Indo sesame, I think it's still got the potential to, you know, it's got magical properties to bring about knowledge, you know, if people are prepared to look for it. But we've been really, this is what's really fascinating is like even if you go and watch Joe Rogan and the type of people he interviews, everyone gives like this very like weird disjointed understanding of like the past history. But no one will approach the Tamils because we're like the Palestinians. We were bombed and killed. And, you know, and even if you look at the latest news about how the hostages were brutally murdered and they had their breasts cut off, that is a story that comes from Sri Lanka. It was the Tamil, Tamil tiger fighter women who were gang raped and they had exactly the same story happened to a journalist, a Tamil journalist. Yeah. And she was gang raped because she was the only one that was reporting about the genocide. And they cut her breast off. It's a story that comes from the Sri Lankan genocide. And so they borrow these stories, I think, because the crime is so similar, you know. But anyway, these Tamil people were erased, right. And their identities are blocked from being spoken about because for the last six years, Twitter, Instagram, all of Google, they erased the tunnels. We were not allowed to talk about our experience, to remember what happened 10 years ago. This is like you're talking 13 years ago. We weren't allowed to remember it. All of the youth groups that are forming to, you know, to spread knowledge about what happened to all these people, we were all erased, all canceled. All of these accounts were blocked. On Twitter. Yeah, On Instagram, on Google. This happened six years ago. They did this massive clampdown. 2016, I would say around 2016, 17. Meanwhile, you're still like the representation of immigrants. Yet these ones, these particular ones, were not allowed to share their story. And they were the actual, real refugees because this war had come to an end in 2009, where we all said, yep, they're terrorists, it's okay to destroy them all, but I think they hold a lot of knowledge to then what's happening. Everyone's fascinated by these sort of Babylonian ways, you know, and to. And to say all entities are accepted, but it's not. And even the Tamils to this point are becoming confused about what they. What their true religion in the beginning was. It was not that you accept demons, you fought demons, you didn't accept them. But we're going through realistic genocide. We're getting, you know, our library was bombed. All our knowledge is destroyed. We're not allowed to communicate. We're not allowed to talk to each other about these experiences. We're a fragmented society. Even when we've come outside and then we're told, no, everything is accepted. You're allowed to be this. You're all of those Tamil NGO kids that post my documentary coming out who were helping to help the widows and the war victims and refugees in the camps, all of those NGOs, which also, you know, I tried to reach out, post documentary and to empower them in some way. All became LGBTQ campaigners. And I'm, like, really confused by that. Like, how did six years after the war, seven years after the war, the people, the kids are not even out of the camps yet. You want to go and hand out LGBTQ pamphlets to these kids. They don't even have food. And so how was that happening? And then, you know, then there's this revival of Hinduism and the Tamil section of Sri Lanka in the north, where they're like, no, this is about regaining identity. But it's, like, slightly morphed, you know, where they're like, no, everything is accepted yet. I think that is so dangerous.
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Kanye West
Well, it's a veneer. They want people to think that there's progress when there's actually not progress. And what you just said is actually so important because obviously so much has changed for me since we last sat down. One of the things that I truly believe is that all of these wars that we're told about, we're meant to be distracted by Hollywood, distracted by this false idea of progressivism, distracted by our technology and not realizing that we have demons that are intentionally wiping history so we don't know where we come from.
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Candace Owens
Yeah, that's true.
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Kanye West
The point of war is to crush every religion. Iraq, what they've done. I mean, these are the oldest civilizations in the world, and they're being bombed into oblivion. And there's a reason for that, because these people want to rewrite history. There's now neo historians that are lying about what happened last week. Forget about what happened thousands of years ago, they're lying about what happened last week. And so they're programming people in the west to perceive these people as less than human, as subhuman, as all terrorists. They don't know why it is that we're actually bombing them, but we continue to bomb them like we've just been bombing the Middle east for decades, and no one really understands why. Why are we bombing Syria? Nobody knows what the US Is doing in Syria, what our interest is in their. And I think it's about wiping the memory. It's about a true reset where there's gonna be all of these old languages. Nobody's gonna have a record of human history, and they're gonna tell you what it is. And that once I recognized that, I realized how crucial ancestry is.
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Unknown
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Candace Owens
Well, this is what's interesting about the AI technological elite that want to dictate and tell humanity how to live and how to ration the resources and depopulate the world so that we can all just be regulated into these boxes. They're not smart enough to do it and they're not smart enough to code the AI to do it. You know, and you can use science and you can use maths and you can say, no, everyone's gonna get this much thing and this is how everyone has to live. But within that there's God, you know, and you can have God come through the presence of AI to some extent. I don't know how it's gonna happen, but maybe, you know, God, God is God. He's gonna work out AI. But like, you know, like there is, you know, I'm not worried about it, but at the same time there are, there is arrogance. You know, they're not creating, going, I'm going to create something that God's going to come through and do something. They're doing it to be like, no, I am God, you know, And I think that's what's really interesting because no matter what religion you are, whether you're Muslim, you know, Christian or Hindu, they all have the same battle, like where it's not, you know, not every single Muslim is a good Muslim. You know, there's some people using it to bring in like Satan's thing. You know, like you can get Satan going to the mosque and doing what he needs to do and learn the code and like infiltrate and like lead people the wrong way. Same way the Satan does it in church and same way Satan would do it in temples. You have people. So, so it has to be like a balance where you, you know, technology, AI, all of these things are creating space for humans to self improve. Yeah. That they then are receiving messages like, you know, you have to go through transformation. You have to be prepared to kill a version of yourself and let it go, to go with what God's telling you. And you have to be having this communication directly with God. And in order to do that, you're creating the space, and that's what AI should do, should give humans a space. And that's what we should use it for. To be like, okay, this is my business is being managed with this AI tool because it gives me two hours extra to go and sit in meditation or eat right or, like, spend time with my family. And, you know, like, that's what we should be using that tool for. But it's not necessarily necessarily to, like, control humans and to bring about this thing. It's funny, on the way here, I watched a movie on the plane called Concrete Utopia, and it's a Korean movie. And it's really interesting because they deal with this and it's about the whole world gets destroyed, but there's only one apartment block that's left. And everyone in this apartment block, like, we are the chosen. And then all these other humans that survived the destruction all want to move in there. And it's about how they're trying to regulate it and all the things that they have to do and ration the food. And, you know, they're like, do we evict these immigrants coming in? You know, it's like, everything's based around this apartment block. And I think it's really, really fascinating because you can apply that to what's happening. And like, you know, it's sort of. You can apply it on a technological level to the AI situation, but it's also like what we're trying to do, you know. And yes, I think there is. There is a way to become discerning as a human being that you can discern truth. And. And I think that will tell you because a lot of, you know, I don't want to be Hindu bashing. I don't want people to think that's what I'm doing. But I do see the confusion in New Age religions. People just, you know, like embracing. Like in Hollywood embraces yoga, and they're like doing all these sort of like, meditations and rituals and praying to certain entities or deities and. And the same with ancestors. When you're talking about ancestors, like, my ancestors are Tamil. And so when I'm like, I have strength from my ancestors, I got to make sure that then my ancestors are not some random demon pretending to be an an sister. You know, you have to have that discernment. Because now that I've been more time in Christianity, there's like four realms. This is what I've learned. And the top realm is eternity, which is the realm that God lives in. And then the second realm is everlasting which is the angelic realm, okay? Because angels are born but they don't die. So it's everlasting. And then you're supposed to only have three realms. And the third realm is supposed to be the man, you know, the human realm, which has got time, and we're the only ones who have a concept of time. And. But in between the human realm and the angelic, everlasting realm, there's the celestial realm. And that's where all the spirits are. And if you're talking about any religion, whether you're talking about Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, all of the spirits they talk about. Whether Islam talks about jinns, Hinduism talks about deities, and Christianity talks about demons and angels, whichever version you're looking at, they all exist in the celestial realm. You know, so when you go to Indonesia or you go to a Tamil temple or Indian temple, you'll have a temple that has got like hundreds of deities carved out, right? And so that's what the celestial realm is. When you're praying and you're doing these rituals, and when Hollywood is doing these rituals and they're trying to talk to dead people or they're trying to talk to the God of whatever, you know, they're trying to access the celestial realm and you can bring these entities down to our space. And that's why they're also obsessed with portals and things. And we talk about portals even in tech, you know, like you have to sign onto the portal and it's gonna.
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Kanye West
I didn't think about that.
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Candace Owens
Yeah, that's true. It's like it's the same system. So like, so the portal gives you access. And so it's a two way thing. And a lot of people want to shortcut and to communicate with these celestial beings. And nobody knows if there's good ones or bad ones. No one knows how to tell the difference because we have ignorance on this planet right now because of how confused everyone is. And through disrespecting ancient old knowledge, or bombing it or burning it or rewriting it, there is confusion yielded into our understanding of the celestial realm. So like sometimes you're told, hey, when you light this incense and pray to this thing and you're calling the deity of like, wealth because you need to get rich, you're not, you know, sometimes you're burning an incense saying, I'm going to talk to my, you know, dad who's passed away, you're not, you know, it's something pretending because you don't have the discernment to tell. And so that's like, I think what's going on, I think that's why there's a lot of confusion. And the bad spirits will say, hey, Earth needs to be all about acceptance. You need to accept everybody because they want to be able to be existing and be accepted and. But now, you know, that celestial realm is also labeled as aliens. You know, a lot of humans are like, into the idea of aliens and us talking to aliens, but I think that's also another version of these, like, different entities.
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Kanye West
Demons. My husband thinks aliens are just demons, and he is very adamant about that. And I think it is interesting because when you look at Hollywood, it's funny because most of the people in Hollywood, when you speak to them, they think that they're atheists. I don't believe that there is such a thing as an atheist. I think that that's just a term for, like, I worship something else. Yeah, it's a religion, and it's usually yourself. A lot of times in Hollywood, you see that it's usually themselves that they worship, which is why they say that they're atheists, but they're fully committed to themselves. And we were talking about why. There's this need, almost this obsession with holding onto your youth, something the one thing that you definitely cannot hold on to. They're convincing themselves that they can if they go to the right doctor and what they'll put their bodies through and the stuff that they'll inject themselves with to be skinny. All of this stuff. You know, when you look at that, you realize that there's a reason the Bible says that there's nothing new under the sun. You know, this is. This sort of stuff has gone on for a very long time. And I really do see Hollywood as sort of this. This pagan culture. But you, last time that you were on the show, were speaking to me about your conversion to Christianity, which is fascinating. And you were cagey about speaking about that moment.
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Candace Owens
I was, I was, because I was told that if you speak about it, it disappears because it's like a thing, you know, you're not supposed to share, like, any spiritual things. Many, many people have told me, like, when you have a spiritual experience, don't share it. But I think with Christianity, what I'm finding out is that you do have to testify, and it is about the testimony, and you have to tell people that it happened because like I said, I was a Hindu and I was very comfortable in it. I loved it. You know, like, I felt like I was a realized self. Realized person. And the aim of the game in Hinduism is to become self realized. And, you know, and I was called Matangi and I became a musician against all odds and it all kind of tied in and I was like, oh, I did pretty good. Like I can relax. And then I had the vision and it's, you know, and she also is like the goddess of spoken word and freedom of speech. And it's something that I've always been into and, you know, and I thought, well, if that's, if it's truth, you have to share it, you know, and with miracles, when miracles happen, you have to share it or you lose the miracle is what I've heard. And so I was like, okay, I better go and say it out loud because it's like, you can't be embarrassed about God, you know, you can't. So I find that it's a different thing. Like, it's given me peace, you know, like, it's what I've gathered, but also, like, it's very like, you don't. You're not. It's not about yourself, you know, you're being used and you just have to accept that and you just have to go along with it. But there are lots of confusing things, you know, because I'm still learning. But it's definitely like, for example, I feel like especially with America in the next, you know, years to come, more people are going to embrace Jesus again. And, you know, and I think the conversation about Messiah Medi Jesus will get clearer, you know, about what that is. It's like the Americans are not waiting for Mehdi to come. And I don't think the Americans are waiting for the Messiah to come, but they're gonna be waiting for Jesus to come, you know, and so they have to get that story kind of. I don't know if it just happens and if it's just like willed by God and it's born out of confusion and chaos. But that is happening. It's getting played out right now with this, you know, the Israel, Palestine situation, where I think people are really gonna focus on what it is. And I listen to an African pastor, he's from South Africa, and he's always like, American people are very gifted, you know, when it comes to Jesus Christ. Like a lot of them are gifted with like, so a lot of power to understand. And he's always talking about that. And so I think that is going to happen. And I think if you say Christ is king and you're getting canceled, you know, and there's like a massive backlash, it's really interesting because they also say that when you are about to be having a breakthrough or you're empowered, then and the door opens for you, that's when you see all the demons. Like, if the door is closed, you don't see them. But when the door is open and you're about to go to another level, that's when you see the demons and you go to fight and you go fight through it. And every step of the way, your old life calls you back and says, no, but remember who you are. Like, this is who you are. Are you going to lose this? And you have to say no. And you got to fight through it and go through, you know, and that's how you're going to get to the truth. And every step of the way, you have to be ready to sacrifice yourself because you gain a different power, you know.
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Kanye West
So I want to ask you, so you have a vision and you convert to Christianity. And I just wanted to ask you, which denomination did you convert to and what is your perspective on, of course, America, where there are so many denominations.
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Candace Owens
I went with the one that my mom is, which is a born again Christian. And yeah, I just, you know, before I did that, before I got baptized, I don't know, I felt very connected to this sort of. Well, I went to India to look at. I think maybe I did this after I saw you. I went to India to go to St. Thomas's Church. Okay, so St. Thomas, he went to India and that's where he died. And so I went to the church and St. Thomas was there like four years after Jesus died. And he was there all the way until year like 56 or something when he was murdered. And in year 75, the Greeks came and extracted his bones and moved it to Greece and they built a church there with St. Thomas Bones. But I went to the church thinking it was there, but it wasn't there. It had already been moved 2,000 years ago, and now it's moved to Italy and they've built a church there. And so when I went there, it was really interesting because St. Thomas came and landed on the east coast, Kerala, the west coast, and he built his first church in Kerala. Then he moved across to the east and built a one in Chennai. And that's where he was killed. And that's where he died. And so he ran this church for like decades. And but towards the end, the Hindu priests who murdered him, like, they were very jealous of him, converting people and stuff, that he built a cave and he was praying in the, in the cave secretly. And so you still find this stuff there. Anyway, so when I went to the church, what happened is, I think year 500, the Catholics came and they destroyed all the St. Thomas people. So there were lots of Christians that had followed him. And so hundreds and thousands of people were killed by the Catholics. And then they built a cathedral on top of his little church. So within India, South India, just Tamil Nadu itself, there's so many versions, right? So you've got the Thoma people who are the original Thomas followers. Then you've got the Syrian Christians, Then you've got, like, the Catholics, the Portuguese version, the Greek version. Then you've got, like, so many different, you know, so even within the Tamil community, there's, like, so many not even getting into, like, Protestant or, you know, Methodist and all of this stuff. So it's very, very confusing. But I tend to just go with what I'm going through and not get so much into the rule books of the versions. All I know is that, you know, the way I experience it, like, what that truth to be and if I can still access it when I, you know, because I try to get with the Catholic version, this actually really happened. So I went to St. Thomas's Church and I bought a rosary bead and I put it on. And then I had an epiphany that my name, right, Matangi, is M A T H A A and then N, G I. But if you take M A T H A and isolate it, that actually means Mary in Tamil. So I was like, oh, maybe I'm supposed to be a Catholic. And I was, like, talking to my mom about it. And then I put the rosary on and I had it on for like a month. Then I went back to St Thomas Church on the last day on the way to the airport, and it broke and fell in the church. And I was like, wow, even St. Thomas is not having it, you know, like, it. And it didn't break here. It broke, like, at the cross and just fell in the church. And so I know that that's not it, you know, like, you're not supposed to worship Mary. And it always leads me back to Jesus, you know, it does. And so whatever version that is. And I don't know how much of the stuff has been confused or rewritten or infiltrated or whatever the thing is, but I have to keep sort of figuring it out. And I also, like, read a lot about. So I tried to go to, you know, study it through St. Thomas and also St. Mark, who went and built the Egyptian version of the Coptic church. And he wrote the Bible four years after. You know, his verses are written four years after Jesus died, whereas the others are written 200 years after. So I was like, well, if you wrote it four years, you're probably still going to write for memory and it's probably more truthful, you know. And so I was kind of interested in that, you know, finding out through Mark's gospel because I thought that was the truest version. But yeah, I have my own way of working out. It's kind of weird.
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Unknown
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Kanye West
Well, yeah, continue on the journey. I mean, I made the decision to be baptized Catholic after a long period of study. And part of it was because I realized, well, I guess kind of with my political journey is how brainwashed I was against the Catholic Church. As an American, you're very brainwashed against the Catholic Church in school and you learn a lot of like lies about the Catholic Church that you think is true about the Spanish Inquisition. And I started realizing this sort of Catholic conspiracy in America, which was very strange to me the more that I started studying and reading books. One book, Rodney Stark Bearing False Witness, which would be a great book for you to read. Catholics also don't worship Mary, but everyone thinks that Catholics worship Mary. That was one of the things that I believed too. And it is, it's a, it's a, it's been a really empowering journey because it's for me, really helped me to see the evil of dividing the Christian church and really who was behind that evil, like wanting the Christian church to be so separated because what's divided, can't stand, obviously. And America really has become a playground for that. Like, nowhere else. I mean, could you really just pick, like you're picking out ice cream flavors, like, decide, like, what version of Christian you want to be, which is very. My truth, my truth, my truth and not.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Candace Owens
Or like Ireland, like, where they, you know, I don't understand that. I see it all as one thing as well.
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Kanye West
Right. And so it's interesting. And I would imagine, especially as you're. Well, I guess I would ask the question, really, what is your viewpoint on American Protestantism now, given all of the political events and seeing, I guess, the American Protestant Christian response to it, I.
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Candace Owens
Don'T know if that's what it is. I think when you're up against all of these other things, right, which is the New age religion or your, you know, talking about this conflict where they're like, this is definitely, you know, Muslims versus something. You know, that's why we're fighting the Middle east, because it's all really about Iran and they're just. It's about Islam's domination of the world. So I think when it's much more broad, I mean, even Islam, it's got 100 versions and also Hinduism, like, if you go into Hinduism, it's the same. So I don't see it like that. Like, I think it's Jesus Christ. And, you know, like, when you go past church, it's whether that communicates to me, I don't go, what church is that?
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Kanye West
Interesting. See what I do. And that was kind of what made me pull away from Protestantism was because I suddenly realized it was a symptom of Americanism. Like, everything was extremely New age. I was driving by a Methodist church and there's an LGBTQ flag outside. Going to a non denominational church and it feels like a con.
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Candace Owens
Yeah, but you also have that in the Catholic churches. And the thing is, have LGBTQ flags.
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Kanye West
No, you cannot. There's no LGBTQ flags in the Catholic Church. No, definitely not.
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Candace Owens
Really? Because I see that.
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Kanye West
And also, like, no, I think you might think it's a Catholic church, but that's a hard. No, definitely not. Not the Orthodox or the Catholic, but.
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Candace Owens
Probably because, say, when you go to South America where it's very Catholic, I, you know, you go into towns and you do feel the presence of God, you know, so I don't go, oh, my God, it's Catholic, you know, so I'm not going to go into this church or I'm not going to be. I don't understand why they've got this like cross decorated like this. I don't think like that, but I just, you know, if I see or feel the light there, then I feel it, you know. And I think with. Because even in Hinduism there's so many different versions and it, the same thing's happening to them where I think they're just being told to think everything is okay and everything works. And with Catholicism, I was just. My dad, my dad was a Catholic and you know, his family were really heavy into Catholicism. Like his cousin was the biggest bishop in Sri Lanka. I think we talked about it on the last podcast because he devoted his life to writing down every single dead person during the war that was killed on the beach. So in the last days of the offensive, and so the BBC always said 40,000 people died, just like we've got that statistic with the Palestinians, like 40,000. But he recorded 129. And on the. Once he'd submitted that to the UN he passed away. And so he, you know, I, so I have that in my family.
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Kanye West
I love it but. Because what you're talking about is why I was drawn to the Catholic faith. It was because in my viewpoint, the Catholic and the Orthodox communities are the keepers of history. And Protestantism started feeling very. What is the right word?
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Candace Owens
Progressive.
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Kanye West
Surface progressive, not deep on history. Kind of repeated talking points learned in a classroom. Just very American, like very new age American. And like when you would walk into like a cathedral and you feel there's history here and it's not adopting to the times. Whereas when I was going to a non denominational church, I was like, this could also be a Justin Bieber concert. And everyone's kind of saying the same thing. It felt very cookie cutter. And of course then it became especially a challenge for me in the wake of, I think everything that's happened since October 7th, seeing not, I wanna say, a compromise of values. But I was, I thought it was very strange. Christian Zionism. I was going, what is this?
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Candace Owens
I wanna know about that. What is that?
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Kanye West
Like, what actually is this?
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Candace Owens
What is it?
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Kanye West
Well, it's sort of Christians that are very dedicated to Israel. Right. And what is that exactly? What is that?
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Candace Owens
Christianity is like to be a humanitarian. You're supposed to, if there's a dead child that is have a reaction to.
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Kanye West
Say that we care about. Exactly. So I was really struggling with trying to comprehend this because there were so many people that I respected and you know, evangelical Christians and then they just couldn't be consistent on this. And I was going what is this? And then I studied that and I realized, oh, okay, your Bible was funded. You know, the notations in your Bible was funded by Zionists. And they don't know that. They don't even know enough history to know their own history. They don't even know about the Scofield Bible. I actually recently saw that a country music artist was on Tucker Carlson speaking about the Scofield Bible for the first time. And when I started learning about that and how that got funded, I was like, okay, well, this then is a.
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Candace Owens
That's true. But a lot of knowledge, right? You would just know. I think that's.
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Kanye West
Well, that was me. I just, like, it just. I went like, wait a second. You can't tell me that I have to bend over backwards and do a cartwheel and a split to be able to now say, like, yeah, we are pro life, but if Palestinian children die, there's this, like. I was like, okay, something's not right here. Instinctually, spiritually, I just want. Something's not. There's something heretical happening here, and I wanna understand it. Like, I want to understand why people don't have moral clarity on this issue of life suddenly. And that's what kind of got me into looking into the history.
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Candace Owens
And I also don't want to believe that Jesus saves you, then puts you in this place to then be okay with another bunch of people dying the same way as your people died.
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Kanye West
Of course not.
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Candace Owens
I don't believe that. He's like, this is your job now to be like, yeah, it's fine. I don't think so spiritually.
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Kanye West
It should make, you know, like, something here is not right. And. And then once you have the. This. That spiritual inclination, you have to do the due diligence to truly try to understand it. And what it brought me to was like, okay, the Catholics and the Orthodox have been the ones that have been straight on morality, on what they believe, what they don't believe without bending. Without bending the will to the modern times. And I then sort of realized, you.
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Candace Owens
Know, the Pope's auditorium is in the saint shape of a snake.
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Kanye West
Well, it's interesting because there is this. There is this. Well, it's so funny that you said.
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Unknown
That, because then when I got interested.
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Candace Owens
That'S the bit that I'm like, the.
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Kanye West
Pope in general, I believe.
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Candace Owens
And I think he's pretty cool, though. But he's pretty cool because he does get into trouble a lot.
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Kanye West
Yeah, I'm not supposed to speak about the Pope. When I met with the priest, he was just like there's supposed to be a certain level of reverence.
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Candace Owens
Yes, 100%.
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Kanye West
But I do want to say that.
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Candace Owens
We'Re talking about the auditorium.
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Kanye West
I want to say that I just. Based on research that I've done into Freemasonry, politically. Freemasonry, there's been an infiltration in all the faiths. A satanic infiltration in all of the faith. A literal satanic infiltration, intentional, meant to be deceptive, and take a position as, you know, a pastor, a priest, whatever it is, with the intention of bringing down the church. So there are traces of that throughout all the Abrahamic faiths.
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Candace Owens
The snake is fascinating because didn't you.
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Kanye West
Just say Hindus worship snakes?
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Candace Owens
Yes. We have a sect like, so say you have born again sect in Hinduism. You have one called Naga worship. Right. So you only pray to snake gods.
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Kanye West
I feel like that instantly has to be evil.
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Candace Owens
Okay. So the Egyptians also had snakes on their helmet. All the time on their crown, they wore snakes.
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Kanye West
You know why they get evil? Because the way I instantly feel when I see a snake, like, that's just like.
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Candace Owens
But recently, Hindus have been told, because really, the snake try to kill Shiva, right? Which is why Shiva's blue, because he's poisoned, and then he grabs the snake and then he kills it and he puts it around his neck, Right. Or he transforms the snake, that it's no longer trying to kill him or something. But that's why Shiva has a snake around his neck and he's blue is because he was bitten by a snake that tried to kill him. That's why.
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Unknown
Prey to it.
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Candace Owens
Exactly. So now they've been infiltrated. Hindus have been infiltrated, and they've been told that the snake is something great and it's the ultimate God, but it's not. It was a tiny bipartisan. Like, it was just like this sub footnote in Hinduism. It's snakes. If you see Vishnu relaxing on the ocean, he's sleeping on a coiled snake which has got, like six heads, and it's creating an umbrella and protecting him. And that's like an enlightened snake that he uses as a bed. Right. That he's subdued. But if you look at Krishna, he killed a snake that tried to poison his whole village, and he banished it to Fiji. I think it's called, like, cat. I don't know the name of the snake now. So there is demon snakes, and then there's subdued, enlightened snakes that come to work for the gods. Right. So that's the difference between snakes and serpents.
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Kanye West
Interesting.
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Candace Owens
Yeah. So they have a very, like, intricate understanding, but now they're told all snakes are good. And it's really funny because, like, 10 years ago, when I was having these downloads, I, for random reason, Googled the snake population in America, and it had gone up by, like, 60%. So physically. Physically, the manifestation of snake population in the United States has been going up the last decade.
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Kanye West
Wow, that's really interesting.
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Candace Owens
Yes. Isn't that weird? It's a weird fact. Only I know, but I was already like, oh, that's weird. The reason why, in reality, the manifestation of the snakes are being multiplied is because so many people are accidentally worshiping the snakes and manifesting them. That's how it kind of goes. Why is it on the planet when every other species is going down, this one keeps going up? Why? You know, and. And I. And I think that is to do with the consciousness. And Hindus are just as much tricks into. They know the power of collective consciousness. It's the only religion that's completely devoted to that. But they have also been infiltrated. And now all the Hindu people around me, they're all getting snake tattoos. And I say, why not get the goddess of wealth or, like, Shiva tattoo or some other deity that represents something else? You know, why the snake? Because snake is not the God. It's like. It's like, if you're into Christianity, you're getting the Judas tattoo instead of the Jesus Christ or the cross, and you're like, why are you focused on that instead of the actual bit? Like, the good bit? But that's because everyone is, like, also being infiltrated and trained into thinking that's an acceptable thing. And that snake represents, like, an Egyptian. It means, you know, it's the rebirth, you know, so, like, it's about. Yes. The cycle of things. And that's the snake. Yeah. So when they say we've got a snake tattoo, they say it's because it represents, like, the beginning and the end and the cycle and the rebirth. And it's actually a very profound thing. And then you're like, well, that's kind of like a very.
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Kanye West
Like I always say, so deep, you're shallow. You know, it's just like.
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Candace Owens
Yeah, it's kind of. It's just weird that that's what everyone's focused on. But that is being sold as that, you know, and the. It's like. Yeah, it's kind of. It's like saying, when Moses is it. Moses made a staff turn into a snake and it ate the other snake. And then you, like, saying, oh, I'm going to tattoo the snake on and just ignoring the Moses part, right?
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Kanye West
Yeah.
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Candace Owens
And. And who gave him the power to do that? You know, And I think that's what it is. It's almost like cartoons. And people are into all the sort of fringe characters and think they're the cooler ones because they're the outcasts and things like that.
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Kanye West
Well, they do that now, where they even take villains and try to repurpose them and try to tell you that they're actually the heroes of the story. See, Disney will go back, and then they're doing Maleficent. And actually, this person is a very sympathetic character, and the real victim here is the villain. This is a new thing that they keep doing, is trying to sanitize Vil. And I think that that's really emblematic of everything that's happening right now in our culture, where things that are so objectively bad, they're trying to reintroduce it to you as something that's just fundamentally misunderstood. Like, it's just this person's misunderstood, not this horrific individual. I mean, you even see this now with, like, serial killers. They do, like, documentaries, trying to be like, oh, but let's look into this person's childhood, and so we can really understand why they killed their own mom and, like, and did all of this. And now that's a sympathetic person who's worthy of some sort of Hollywood treatment. And it's interesting because it's driving people into that psychology. It's all about training people to. Instead of seeing something as an objective evil to go, okay, I know that's objective evil. But there's. Even in this totally evil thing, there's gotta be something that's good. And I don't think that's good for society. I think you have to just call out evil when you see it.
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Candace Owens
Yeah, I. I'm here to talk about my brand and my clothes, but we're gonna talk about evil. So, yeah, I think that's kind of interesting because, like, as a woman and as a musician, I have to be sexy in order to sell my music. And that's weird as well. But because, you know, the mahavidyas are about women because we're sakthi strength that is split into these goddesses. It's like, hey, embracing that is power, like the feminine power and the goddess power. And you're, like, tapping into it and being sexually liberated as part of it. And it's like, that's, like, not the right way of understanding it. You know, like, even that, like, sakthi was Shiva's wife and she killed herself over it, you know, and. Or not Parvati was Shiva's wife and killed herself over it because somebody said something terrible about her husband is why she killed herself. And she was born again. And he waited till the same person came around to marry them again. Like, they're interlinked, you know, it's not that she was off, like, sleeping with everything that moves, you know, and promoting that in her being. It's not like there was still a respect for this sort of like, marital kind of existence built into Hinduism. But, you know, now you have loads of girls on Tinder and they're like, I'm embracing my feminine power. And that's like. That's the cultural confusion. That is the new age version coming back to them and then saying, but this is you tapping into your ancestors and you're like, you know, strength. And for a lot of Indian girls, that is. That is how it's pitched back through America. Like, it's not pitched through India, it's pitched through America. And then that message then is going through India, you know, because it's going on their social media and all the Indian girls, like, yeah, you know, I'm embracing my feminine power, you know, and downloading Tinder. It's kind of like. It's like Hinduism processed through America, fed back.
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Kanye West
You know, nothing is good when it goes through the laundromat of Americanism.
- [78:53]
Candace Owens
Yes. I think it's like. It's kind of. It is interesting because as a musician, my pastor was saying how, you know, there's lots of different spirits and musicians, like 70% of musicians are marine spirits. And marine spirits, we promote lust and addictions. That's like our job because the days of nephilims and, well, the fallen angels getting with human women to produce this, you know, group of spirits basically, who were not of God. You know, they were like mixed. And so that. That's who was on earth when God decided to flood it. And Noah was the only one who survived it. So when he flooded it, all of these spirits, they got washed into the sea. They didn't go back into heaven. So all of the lustful debauchery, hedonistic behavior from the fallen angels, literally raping some of them human women and everything, and they were incredibly lustful. They all didn't go back up to heaven when they died because they were not of it. They went into the sea. And that's why in the last days, when you say the beast comes from the sea, it comes from the sea. Because it's been there waiting, you know. And so all of the marine spirits that. All the. All the spirits or nephilims that got washed into the sea, they inhabited marine spirits because they were. That the destruction happened so fast, they lost their bodies, right? But the spirit didn't die. And so the spirit took up marine animals and inhabited those. But what they would really like to do is get back on land and inhabit human species, you know. But some of them that come into humans have the spirit of the marine spirit, which is why musicians, we like to be sirens and we like to be mermaids, and we like to be, like, these things and have, like, snake hips and do all of these things and promote lust, because we carry the spirit of the lust, but also, like, come through the. So the. If the spirit overtakes you, you know, and when you're drinking and you're smoking and your aura is open or you're in these rooms, we don't know who's been doing whatever. There could be altars in there or whatever, and that can tap in these spirits, you know. So when you're like. And musicians channel. That's what we do. And music is such a sacred thing, it can channel God's message and higher spiritual messages. Because you can heal people through music. You know, you can cure things through music. You could change the mood instantly through music. You. You can change the way people think through music. And, you know, and God can use that too. But some musicians say it depends on what context you're making that music and what you believe. Because if you're opening yourself to channeling spirits and entities and you don't know what they are, you could be just happy in a marine spirit. And therefore, that is what you promote in your music. You know, like, more debauchery and more getting high and more addictions and more. And so it kind of makes sense that, yeah, like, he has some truth. Because being a musician is. Yeah, it's a very, very spiritual thing.
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Kanye West
Well, it's frequencies. And there are demonic frequencies. There are angelic frequencies. And that's why I'm so careful now in the eyes. And your ears are definitely the window to the soul. And you do feel like the further you get away from those darker frequencies, you feel lighter, you feel better. We talked a lot about your. Well, we've talked a lot about the topic of rebirth and people being willing to shed the old them to become the new them. And you've kind of been on a journey, and you're now making a very interesting segue into fashion, which I find to be absolutely. When I saw the article pop up in the Daily Mail, I was like, what is this? This is so interesting. And I guess I'm just gonna let you tell about your brand, Omni, because it's super fascinating.
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Candace Owens
Omni is basically. It's funny because I had this brand that it was kind of like essentially merch before in 2017. And I just made the connection that I'm called Mia and it means you're missing. And then Omni means you're everywhere. And it's like, it's almost like you're supposed to have both extremes covered. But Omni is kind of about protection and it's protection against. And always giving yourself some choice, you know, to protect yourself against being hacked. Because the whole Yo Harari thing is about, you know, hackable humans and hacking yourself is not just about you changing your diet and doing a different exercise routine. They're also technologically talking about hacking bio data from inside your body. And then they're going to sell it, you know, without your approval. And I think that when that happens, when your every inch of privacy is kind of violated, you should have some sort of way to fight that, you know, to fight back. And I think this, this fabric is basically, it's a, it's an old military invention which is kind of a Faraday fabric. But now that there's just like much more you can do with it, you know, before there was only one version you can get. And so I decided to, yeah, make clothes out of it.
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Kanye West
It's so interesting because years ago somebody was telling me that they got compensation from the government because they walked into a gas station. I think it was the government. They walked into a gas station and there was no song on. And suddenly her and her boyfriend were hearing. Were singing a song that was not on. And it was actually they were testing out this gas station for subliminal messaging and they sort of went back in and the guy admitted that they had installed something. Long story short, I never fact checked her story, but she said that they ended up getting compens because they complained about what you're describing, quite literally a hack where I don't know if they were using signals or subliminal messaging, whatever it was to get into inside of their brains, which is actually very terrifying. I think that they were testing this out. This probably would have been like seven years ago that she was telling me the story and it was unbelievable. And now when you see how interested they are in creating our mind, they just want to do it faster and faster. Like, they're not even content with just the public education system feeding you propaganda anymore. And now they realize technology really is a tool to hack people. And you see that demonstrated everywhere where you look at children and they. Younger and younger. These kids are getting lip injections and you're going, okay. Like, they understand, like, you can quite literally download constantly things into people's minds. And when I. That's why I thought what you were creating was so fascinating. Like, you're talking about an actual material that will stop them from being able.
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Candace Owens
That's what this is. Yeah.
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Kanye West
What is that made out of?
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Candace Owens
So this is a. This is a silver mesh and it basically blocks signals. So if I tie this tight, you know, or it. That's what it does, it just stops WI fi. So if I take this off and wrap my phone in it, the phone won't ring.
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Kanye West
It's fascinating. And the shirt as well, what is the shirt made out of?
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Candace Owens
The. This is a new fabric we're testing where it's 100% silver on one side and 100% cotton on the other side. So this is the latest invention where they weave it like 100%. 100%. And so it's kind of like modern day armor. Yeah, yeah, it really is. And it's mad that we have to wear it, but I think you do, because it's like, I don't want that. You know, I don't want people in my business and putting things in my head. And, you know, I want to, like. I think as an artist, the journey is really, really important. You know, you don't want somebody dictating your journey in any way, you know, And I think even me being canceled from day one and just being canceled on a yearly basis for many, many different things, some of it dictates the journey and some of it leads me to really interesting things. But, you know, it's a bit chaotic and hodgepodge, but it always leads me to where I need to be. I feel like. And to think that that's going to, you know, I don't want to be sort of told what to do because I think I also have a problem understanding, like, how the values are being worked out. You know, like, if I'm a criminal and that I'm told to adjust to society and just do my job and to shut up and to just be a normal law abiding citizen and park in the right spot, that is one thing. But if I'm also gonna have to be fed all of this, like, value Systems, right? And then that technology is going to be used to dictate, like, my child's. Even his value system and what he can and can't say and what to do. And then he's going to be punished by it. Like, you know, they're going to, like, do the credit score on it. And all of that is just what's really scary, you know. And I think that the last frontier is owning your brain. You know, it's like we've lost pretty much a lot of the battles and, you know, freedom of speech and freedom of thought and for you to learn and have the journey is really important, you know, And I think this is the other thing about talking about the chaotic world we live in and spirits and demons and all of these things. Like, those people have to go on a journey. Like, there has to be the point people are saved or there's redemption or there's like, you know, clarity at some point. And the AI is not going to give you that. Technology is not going to give you that. And neither would, like, a regimented system for profit going to give you that, you know, And I think that that's really a really, a key thing for how we build the future, you know, is like, to fight back some space. And I think this is really about that. Like, it's just the message about that.
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Kanye West
Where can people go if they want to buy omni.com? wow, I can't believe you got that website. Omni.com.
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Candace Owens
Yeah, like, I've had it.
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Kanye West
Oh, you've had it for a while.
- [91:00]
Candace Owens
I've had it for a while. But this is. I went on Russell Brown to talk about this because I did an audiobook on there, and the audiobook was about this. And funny enough, it got taken down. So it was an omniapp, right? And the people who coded it the week before October 7th happened, they took it down and deleted the story. And they said it's because they fell out and that they had to delete the book. But the book was about how the demons and gods fight, right? And they fight for 50% of the universe. The demons want 50% of the universe. And some of the demons are like, no, we want 100%. We want to annihilate all the gods. And some of the gods are like, no, we're like tolerant gods. We should tolerate the demons and give them 50%. And some of the gods are like, no, we should just completely, you know, get rid of the demons. And so they. It's about the. Trying to figure out a two State solution, right. So it's about the yin and yang and to create that in the universe and how they derived at the positive negative yin yang or a two state solution between gods and demons. And. But then it was set in the modern world where humans are used as a tool by either gods or demons to constantly manipulate propaganda to see which side wins. Because the gods need humans to think about gods all the time for them to be strengthened. Right. And their prayers or their belief does something and without that they start disappearing. And so it's really important that demons manipulate that and make humans forget. And that's what the story was. And it got deleted. And then all these companies called Omni Robotics started taking the website over. So they were like launching all these AI technological products like Omniverse, you know, which is like the modern matrix. And there's so many robotic companies called Omni. And so I was kind of like, wow, that's crazy. Like it. I was in court trying to fight for this website, even though I had nothing on that. And somebody's like, well, the only way you're going to have it is if you make something on this site and reclaim it, you know, so that's what happened. Like I felt like, you know, God floated, you know, talking about AI, he or somebody or something floated this YouTube clip on my phone while I was in India and it was a pastor. And he said, you know, you're going to have a 90 day turnaround and today's going to be your first day and something's going to happen and I'm going to pray for this. And I listened to him and this is the first time I heard it. And within 90 days we launched the brand.
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Kanye West
It's amazing.
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Candace Owens
Yeah. And he said in the chat, he was like, you'll be able to do in three months what people would take three years to do, you know, And I was like, wow. Like it was so powerful. And I heard it. And then to the day, on the 90th day I was on Tim Pool and I did not think it was going to go live, but we made it go live.
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Kanye West
Yeah, it's amazing.
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Candace Owens
Yeah, it was pretty amazing. So that's another testimony.
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Kanye West
Yes.
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Candace Owens
You know, it was a bit of a miracle, but now when you type omni.com, it's the first one that comes up and not the robotics.
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Unknown
Okay.
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Kanye West
So I always like to ask people this in closing. If you could have everybody in the world listen to you, like right now you leave them a little piece and you really wanted them to pay attention to something. That's happening in the world or some advice that you have about everything that's happening in the world, what would it be?
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Candace Owens
Well, I think that. I think that truth is truth, whether you go through whichever avenue, you know, even if you're a Hindu, you would understand Jesus. If you're about the true Hinduism and if you're a true Muslim, you will also know Jesus, you know, And I think that you would know that. And I do think that in America, though, the next four years are going to be rough because of the, you know, economy and a lot of changes. But like you said, it is about, you know, it's like weaning yourself off, you know, and it's like getting out of some sort of addiction or something. It's going to be tough, but then it will go on to being something better, you know, And I think when the whole world, like, I haven't drawn a conclusion yet at all because you also have bricks and they're sort of popping off, you know, And Palestine is a really interesting thing because it's almost like it's, it's. It's almost like a. The Palestinians are like almost a sacrifice for humanity to wake up, you know, and it's brought so much to people in ways that they don't get or understand, and it's like saving a lot of people in ways that they don't understand. And I, and I do think that that already is telling how, you know, that they are something, you know, it's a force for positive, you know, And I think that, yes, I do think that the next four years is going to be rough for everyone, but it's going to be a necessity. And if anyone can listen to me right now, what would it be? Is. Yeah, I think, I think to have faith and if, you know God, you're going to be okay. You know, like, that's the whole point about God, is that he's going to protect and look after those that already know him, no matter how rough it gets, you know, And I think it's the same for everyone in the world.
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Kanye West
I think a perfect way to say it would be put on the armor of God.
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Candace Owens
Yes. 6, 11 Ephesians, which also I discovered because of the American Christians trending it when Trump got shot. I never heard of that verse. And it only popped up on my radar because A, X and B, because he got shot. And I was like, wow, that's crazy, you know, but that's really beautiful. That's how it works. It's very random. And he's working through a lot of people, you know.
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Kanye West
Yeah. I feel it. I feel it every single day. Well, thank you so much for joining us again, Maya.
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Candace Owens
Yes.
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Kanye West
Wishing you the best of luck.
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Candace Owens
It was supposed to be that Kanye went first.
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Kanye West
What?
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Candace Owens
No. And took all the heat. And I was supposed to have a nice.
- [98:53]
Kanye West
Even if you got in here and we just talked about puppies, it would be controversial. So don't worry about it. That's just how it goes on the Candace show.
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Candace Owens
Thanks for having me.
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Kanye West
You're always welcome.
- [99:02]
Candace Owens
Congratulations for this Newfoundland Power Freedom.
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Kanye West
Yes.