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For information on program outcomes, visit carrington. Edu Sci. All right, you guys, happy Thursday. What do I have for you? Well, Pam Bondi has been fired. That's obviously big news. I guess it's good. Probably will be replaced with somebody worse. I don't know. But I'm still wondering how Blake Neff is still employed. Blakey Neff. He is my favorite of the shady bunch over at Turning Point USA because I just don't know how he does it right. He is just so notably and publicly emotionally immature that he makes what we do fun here. He gets angry, he lashes out, he says stuff and inevitably he always just kind of makes things worse for them. It's like watching reruns of Tom and Jerry. Like we know how it ends, but Tom's got a Tom. Blake's got a Blake. You know. Also, it is high time before we go on break next week that we begin delicately prodding the narrative that Erica was with her mother receiving treatments when she got the call from Mikey McCoy that Charlie had been shot. I have been quietly investigating that in the background and I'd like to tell you what I have thus far discovered. So let's get into it. Welcome back to Candace. Okay, first and foremost I wanted to provide you guys with a fun little update because, because yesterday we told you about decoy boy number two, Zachariah Keshi. He was detained Cash Patel shut down the investigation for an hour and a half and then he was released. And we weren't told much more. We revealed to you and that was obviously in large, large credit due to Baron Coleman that his dad is an 06 in the Navy. I guess he's in the Navy Reserves part time. Mitch Snow saw a meeting concluding in Fort Wachuka the day before and he said there were a lot of 06 is and I sort of wondered out loud whether or not Daddy Koreshi had any connections to Fort Wachuka via his built app that he co founded which I am told and now understanding is exactly for mission prep. Like has the ability to create a real 3D visual walkthrough so you could in, in this example you could see without Being in Utah, where Charlie was going to be sitting, where you were going to take him and drive him to Timpanogas Hospital, which door you were going go through. Atimpanos. If you were prepping for a mission, that app would come in handy. Now, again, can't say that's what it was used for, but what I can state is that someone else is in Ahmed Qureshi's family, and Tor Qureshi is his name, and he was in fact stationed at Fort Huachuca. Same family. According to Tor Qureshi's LinkedIn, he trained there using reconnaissance drones. He trained how to use reconnaissance drones. So I just thought that you should know that it really is like, military family affair surrounding this event. Anyway, now quickly switching gears here to the topic of the day. So there is something about a guilty conscience is it causes people to overthink unnecessarily, right? They scheme, they plots. They're trying to fill in holes in a narrative. They're trying to be prepared. They don't really pause to consider that sometimes with too many details or overthinking things and saying too much, you kind of incriminate yourself. Right? It's unnecessary complexity that is added to an issue. Too many details. What transpires is something that is known as mythomania. I learned this word today. That's our vocab word of the day, mythomania. Definition of that is it is an unusual or pathological tendency to exaggerate or tell lies. Okay. Example, I would say BB Net and Yahoo, right? Perfect example of this overthinking, making things complex. When Charlie died, his team, they were thinking too hard. They were like, okay, so here's what I'm gonna do so people definitely don't think it's you. As soon as he gets shot, you should tweet even before the President of the United States that you're praying for Charlie. That will definitely remove suspicion. If you tweet first, even though you're. You're fighting this. This massive war everywhere and this isn't your country, if you tweet first, you're praying for Charlie that will. No one will think it was you. Narrator. People did, in fact, find that tweet to be remarkably suspicious. And then his team were overthinking some more, and they were like, okay, here's what we're gonna do. Then the very next day, we'll get you on Fox where you should passionately deny that you killed him. That will definitely remove suspicion. Narrator. It most certainly did not remove any suspicion. Again, they went a little too complex. Right. Similarly, when I sat down with ERICA KIRK On December 15, I had a very short list of questions, like I told you, that I was seeking clarity on. I did not, you'll recall, back in December, think that Erica was a part of any plot to assassinate her husband. That. I think some of her actions and movements were strange, sure. But in. In I. I was being very empirical, just following what was in front of me, following the proof that I had. And Erica had not told any verifiable lies to the public until right before we met. She publicly told Glenn Beck that she had Charlie's phone and he did not text people the night before, saying that he was fearful of his life. That was kind of, for me, the first. It was a disastrous PR campaign altogether that week, which ended with her alongside Barry Weiss. That was weird to me. My antenna started going up. But when I went into that meeting, nonetheless, I had very pure intentions. I just wanted to seek clarity. At no point on my podcast prior to that moment had I attacked Erica. Nor, and this is perhaps more crucial, nor did I ever question whether or not Charlie wanted her to become the CEO. Okay. Frankly, my thought when they announced her as CEO was that was probably for the public. You know, it's like this. Everyone's so emotional. Everyone feels all over the place. It was supposed to be this emotional feel good, hey, we're making a public decision. Charlie is gone, but his legacy is going to live on through his wife. And I thought that she's probably not really going to be the CEO. Um, you know, it's just. It's. She's kind of just more kind of be the icon. And Justin Strife is probably going to be running things behind the scenes. So I was very caught off guard and surprised when during our meeting, out of nowhere, they pulled out a piece of paper, which they had printed out, and they said, oh, this is a transcript. A transcript of what Charlie said when he named Erica. Said that he wanted Erica to take over for him in the event that he dies. I was like, huh? And they were. They were. They were handing me the transcript. I was like, I mean, I haven't even talked about this at all on my show. I don't need that. And I was surprised because I didn't ask for it. I didn't ask for proof of that, didn't make any claims about that. But they, for some reason, wanted to clarify that, to put that on record, something that didn't really need clarification. Why were they overthinking that? So of course, the opposite thing happened where for the first time, I thought, is there something weird about that? Is there? Did Charlie say that? And Erica had previously, before I sat down with her, confirmed that there was a video of this moment, a video of Charlie, just weeks before he died, saying that he wanted her to take over the company. Stunning. A stunning claim for two reasons right off the bat. One, because Charlie Kirk, on every stage that he was ever on, repeatedly said that women should not aspire to climb the corporate ladder and to become CEOs, because that is not fulfilling. Right. He said over and over again that home life was of more substance, of more value. He said this even next to beside Erica. In front of Erica, across from Erica, they together spoke about the mistake of women thinking that they could have it all. And he was speaking about that, to be sure, in an environment where there were two living parents. So even with two living parents, Charlie stated profusely to his audiences that women should not strive toward corporatism. Right? We all agree. Now, suddenly we're being told by Erica that privately and also just a couple of weeks before he died, Charlie had completely reversed course. And he did that again in a private setting in front of his donors. He just, like, did a 180 and within kind of the most dramatic situation imagined. Like he was saying, if I die, which would reduce our children to having just one parent, I would. I would want at that moment, my wife to step up and to assume the role of CEO. And that's certainly what Erica Kirk told Megyn Kelly on November 24th. Take a listen.
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In August, before all this happened, he had a event where he had some donors at, and one of the first questions they asked was, God forbid, if something happens to you, like what.
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What would happen next to Turning Point. And Charlie made a really interesting point. He said, companies, you know, example, Apple Macintosh, he said their founder led. He said, but what I have built is will one day, if I'm not around, be vision led. And he had made mention at the end, like, you know, Erica will do a great job running it. And when I watched that video this week, it really put into perspective my youth and what I went through growing up and what I witnessed, you know, my mom having her own company and being a single mother and watching her be the blueprint of, you know, I'm not afraid of raising my children alone because I saw my mom do that. I'm not afraid of being a CEO because I saw my mom do that.
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So now it's kind of tracking for me why she Started saying that her mother grew up as a single mother. She never did. I told you Erica had a bonus parent. She always had a stepfather in the home when her parents divorced and her father was always in her life. But I see now we're curating for this moment of becoming the CEO and this feels too timely, right? This investor meeting which she's referring to, just so you know, took place from August 15th to the 17th in Aspen. So this was a mere three weeks before Charlie died. And making matters more interesting was Amfest. This is Turning Point's big year end event. They decided to make premiere Charlie saying this, but audio only. Okay? So they stripped the video and used just the audio as Erica's walkout music. They, they used what they are alleging is Charlie's voice, but no video. That's a very curious decision because if you do in fact have a video of Charlie naming his wife to the position of CEO, wouldn't that be the most powerful footage that you could possibly release to get the public to rally behind her? Everyone's missing him. They're missing his voice. Wouldn't that be like the first thing you did? How powerful would it been to have a video running and then you see Charlie and he's like, I want my wife to be the CEO if I die. Right. And so I'm wondering what would possibly guide your decision to only release the audio. And I'm going to allow you to listen to that audio and I want you to listen carefully to the audio. Okay, Listen carefully to the audio. Take a listen.
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A lot of this could be done without me. And I believe that. I mean from the high school department, the college department, let's make turning points so big that it can survive beyond just the founder. A lot of organizations and groups, as soon as a founder leaves, it just kind of collapses. A lot of my job is not always in the day to day details. It's very much vision casting, very much driving success. But we have a great board. And God forbid is something happens, they'll figure it out. I appoint my wife to run Turning Point USA if something happens to me. Erica would do a great job.
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Just sort of a weird ending there. No answering the question. We have a great board. Like, you know, they'll figure everything out. And then I suddenly, I appoint my wife. So great boy. I appoint my wife to do. If anything happens to me. It seems out of place. At the very least we can determine that that is clearly an edited audio. That's. That's very clearly edited audio. So I set about just Sort of after I met with her, reaching out to attended that event, like, trying to figure out, okay, who attended this event? Like, what. What was their memory about this event? And I spoke to a total of four people, and I can tell you that three out of the four people, and one was a couple, did not remember Charlie saying this. They did not remember Charlie Kirk saying this. And the fourth person, or rather couple who said that, they did remember it. And without giving you guys alluding to any further details, they would be considered a conflicted witness because they have ties to Turning Point outside of a donor relationship. Okay. So I found that to be very compelling. That's not something you forget, she said. It's the first question he's asked. Hey, you're 31. What happens if you die? You know, what do you want to happen if you die? That does not seem true. It doesn't ring true to me. Okay. Anyway, so yesterday, Blake Neff, he went to. Or maybe it wasn't yesterday or day before yesterday, he went to Arizona State University, and somebody asked him a question and really kind of took them to the cleaners, just saying, like, look, Turning Point's got some shady connections. Erica used to be in a CIA video. You seem to be reversing course on everything that Charlie wanted. And, like, what's up with this? What's going on here? And Blake Neff was very emotionally emotional, as he always is. And he went on to emphatically insist that Charlie desperately wanted Erica to be his successor. I want to take a listen to what Blake Neff said back to the student.
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The reason Erica is front and center at Turning Point is because when Charlie was alive, people repeatedly asked, charlie, we're worried something will happen to him. People always speculated that something could happen to Charlie. And when he was asked, he would. He would. First of all, he was totally fearless. He would just say, like, oh, it'll be fine. Erica will take over for me. That is what he said over and over. I saw them interact all the time, almost on a daily basis. Even when he was traveling, he was calling her all the time. He was talking to her all the time. Charlie and Erica were partners. They were husband and wife in a deep way. Their marriage was incredibly admirable. I've seen a lot of marriages. Some of them are good, some of them are bad. Charlie and Erica's was exceptional. They were on the same wavelength. I saw how much that relationship. I didn't know Erica as well prior to Charlie's death, but especially in the wake of it, I saw how much Everything he'd done meant to her and how completely committed she was to fulfilling his mission, what he had done in life that she knew. The life I thought I was going to live has changed very abruptly. But I am fearlessly going to embrace the new one because I know it's what I have to do for my husband and for his legacy. That is the reason she was put front and center. And she hasn't really. She has become the CEO of the organization because that is what Charlie wanted. And it's because I saw it with all the people who were senior at Turning Point. There wasn't even a question that that is what would happen. There was no one forcing this. There was no one pressuring it to happen. This is what everyone at Turning Point wanted to happen.
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Yeah, I think the employees would say something else. But said another way, Blake is saying that Charlie prioritized his business above his family. Okay. That is what he's saying, that he often thought about what would happen if he died. And in Charlie's head, he wanted his children to be raised by nannies while his wife assumed his position of CEO. Even though his whole life he said, even if you're married and you're both alive, a wife shouldn't do that. But he was like, if I die, the most important thing is going to be making sure that this company continues and Erica is the right person to do this. So he, he knew what that job consisted of. Traveling, working, 80 hour weeks sometimes. That's. That's what they are telling you. Charlie cared more about Turning Point USA than his own children's well being. There is no other rational way to interpret, if I die, I want my wife to assume this role. So I thought to, you know what? Blake shared that video publicly yesterday. I thought I'd politely ask Blake to, to maybe share the video of Charlie saying that. That's like, hey, this could go a very long way. Here's what I said beneath the video that he shared on X. I said, I love this. Can you please release the video that you shot in Aspen of him naming her as his successor a couple of weeks before he died? I just feel like that would go a long way. And whoa, did he get back to me with something fierce. Some would say he got a little too complex. Okay. He said this. Candace, we haven't bothered playing it because we know psychop predators like yourself do not care what is true or false. And normal evidentiary logic has no effect on you. You're the kind of person who sees coded messages in the number 33, but then ignores evidence like DNA on a rifle or Tyler Robinson's own family members turning him in. Playing the audio at Amfest already was not enough. You'll obviously just say it's AI or a hologram or an Israeli actor or something. So what's the point? We gave up the possibility of any good faith conversation with you months ago. It's like trying to reason with a maniac brandishing a knife and screaming at people on the subway. You are the same thing. Wow. Okay. It's a lot to unpack. I've never been compared to a maniac brandishing a weapon on a subway. Okay, first and foremost, 33 is in fact a Freemason degree. Not sure what that has to do with anything. It's a fact of life. I don't know why Cash Patel kept saying it other than the fact that he was signaling to the public to other Freemasons. Secondly, we have addressed the DNA on a rifle. Actually, you guys haven't. And I have been clear that it's actually you guys who refuse to tell the public that there were also five other sets of DNA found on the rifle. We know it's Tyler Robinson's rifle. We've never debated that. What we have said is that there is no evidence that that particular rifle was fired. And also I have to ask the question, why are you bringing up AI and am I hallucinating? Or does the Turning Point regularly share videos of Charlie Kirk all the time. So? So why is this particular one? You're worried about people thinking it's AI they even share outdated videos and try to pretend that he's supporting the Iranian war. Like they're getting fact checked on X because they're sharing outdated videos and misrepresenting Charlie's actual beliefs about the Iranian war. But now they're suddenly concerned that if they release one more crucial video, people will think it's a hologram or AI or an Israeli actor. Why does that feel more like a confession to me? Like they're trying to get ahead of something. Like this might be the reason they didn't release it in the first place. And also, was I like under the influence or high or was it not? Erica, the CEO of Turning Point USA and the team that guaranteed us that they were going to release tons of never before seen speeches and videos. They had a whole supply of them. Can we run the clock back to 16 days after Charlie was killed and take a listen to them telling us
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that we need to be able to have people have a show where they can they can ask questions. Hey, I'm up against this. What would Charlie say? And we play a clip of what Charlie said a month ago, a year ago. We have decades worth of my husband's voice. We have unused material from speeches that he's had that no one has heard yet. We have Sunday specials lined up to the brim because my husband was so intentional about making sure that there was enough content. Always he.
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And he. He made sure we recorded everything.
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we could get the video and the 100%.
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So we have speeches that no one's heard of. We have interviews that no one's heard of. We have stuff from Korea and Japan that no one's heard of.
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Podcasts.
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So, I mean, in the words of my husband, buckle up, because there is a lot of content to be had. And we have so many amazing things down the pipeline that we are working on currently that will unveil in due time. I am so excited.
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Why is this not about Candace? What changed here? This is you guys making a promise that you were going to release Charlie. You've got his voice, you've got videos, you've got speeches, you've got never before seen everything. He's in Korea. He's with Mikey McCoy. Why is it suddenly that this one particular and most crucial video to your narrative, a video that you yourselves introduced into the public conscience absent any pressure, Nobody said, hey, we need to know that Charlie wanted this thing immediately. What's the story? Did he go and save us at a, at a, at a retreat three weeks before he died? We didn't put any pressure on you guys. You just casually mentioned and come up with a whole story that you had captured this video of Charlie's one of his dying wishes. Because that's a normal question for donors to ask to a 31 year old man, hey, what happens if you die? Who do you want to take over? Done a ton of ton of donor events with Charlie, including ones in Aspen. Never heard this question ever. But I guess things changed. They had different concerns. And now I'm asking you guys the question, what changed that? Me simply asking for you to release this footage makes you angry. The mere idea of being asked to release this footage makes Blake angry. And to this analogy or accusation that it's because you're afraid of a psychopathic predator like me brandishing a knife on the subway, I want you to let you know I laughed so hard at this X user. His name is Sean. His immediate common sense response to this, because common sense is clearly lacking At Turning Point usa, he tweeted this. He said, if a maniac was brandishing a knife and screaming at people on the subway because they wanted me to send them a video, I would just send them the video. Like, yeah, man, okay, I'll be your brandishing knife psycho. Like, common sense here. Fact. Who's like, no, I'd rather die than show this psycho on the subway. This video. Like, yeah, here you go. Here's a video. Chill, man. Nobody has to die today. Here it is. Is my husband saying he wants me to take over the company, show the video to the psychopathic dude, Blake. Okay? No one wants to die on the red line. I said, who wouldn't do it? Who wouldn't show the. Who wouldn't show the video? And then someone replied and said, the only person who wouldn't show the psychopath the video is the person who doesn't have it. Okay? That's the reality. That is the reality. Only the person who doesn't have it would not show him the video. And, yeah, so I wanted to make that public demand because that now feels significant. It. It kind of locks. Another piece of the puzzle here with why Erica's story about her childhood seems to have changed. It's dishonest narrative that she was raised as a. With a single mom and like, they were just kind of, again, shape shifting a bit to get the public prepared for this moment or to accept this moment. And I'm asking also because I have a trick up my sleeve. As always, I. I would like to put Turning Point in a position where they share this video. I personally think it went something like this. They were overthinking. Some of the room was like, okay, but like, then if we name Erica the CEO, like, 48 hours later, then people might notice that Charlie, you know, all that footage of him for years touring around the world telling women to get married, raise kids if they have a filling life, wouldn't it be weird if she suddenly then takes this position? Like, people might wonder, hey, was that her plan all along? What should we do? Oh, okay. We need to have, like, audio prepared of Charlie saying he wanted her to take over. And we'll tell them that it was just like a totally normal, casual donor question that he said, like, all the time. He told us all the time, you know, what happens if you die at 31. He was constantly thinking about dying and Erica taking over. And then we'll release the audio and then we'll do some pr. Like, pr. Like, you know, like Netanyahu's team could do this for us. We're going to have Erica interviewed and she'll tackle that question head on. Seem like she is being forthright. Someone will ask her, hey, why the sudden 180? And she'll give a perfect, perfect, sensible answer, which I should mention she tried to do at the New York Times Book Summit when someone raised it. Take a listen.
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You've urged, as he has women not to delay building families.
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I beg your pardon?
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You have urged women not to delay having families and you've talked about serving your husband and.
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Well, he served me also. He would ask, how can I serve you? We would ask it to each other
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and a number of them said, ask her, please ask her how you think about your career and now that you're going to be taking over turning points and balancing family and what your view is of that.
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No, it's a great question. It's actually a very thoughtful question. I grew up with a mother who is an entrepreneur, who was her and I. My parents got divorced when I was very young, when I was 5, and I saw that as a blueprint. So that does not scare me. Being a single mom, if you will, now, and running a company, there really is no such thing as balance. There's always going to be a give and take. But what this grieving process has taught me is that there is really no blueprint of what I'm going through. It's really a one of one type of situation. And it's interesting because I when you view how pain can be morphed into a form of purpose that you see will outlive you again, it puts into perspective that this isn't about me, this isn't about my life. This is about the legacy my husband left behind. But it's also about how we're fighting the good fight for our country. And when it comes to career, I will be fully transparent. I was fully bought into the boss babe. I mean, I lived in Manhattan. Charlie essentially plucked me out of the New York City orbit and was like, I have a healthier way of viewing things and looking at life and things like that. And he was right. He was right. And I remember thinking, if I would have stayed on that path I was on, I would have lost out on some of the most beautiful moments of my life. Children, having a husband, being able to create and build something so incredible. And again, yes, balance is an illusion. I bring my children to the office. I have them with me constantly. We have a phenomenal team. It doesn't just fall on my shoulders. Charlie was very good about creating and intentionally building a machine where it turns from founder led to vision led. And he shared everything with me. I knew his goals. I knew what his vision was for things. So this is not out of my orbit. This is not uncomfortable for me. And it's not because I'm picking up a mantle that I understand and that I know that Charlie has entrusted to me, the team has entrusted to me, the Lord has entrusted to me. And I take that very seriously.
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I mean, so many words used to say nothing's not answer the question she did. You know what's referred to as the DC dip and twirl. If they give you a question you don't like, just keep talking and hope that people forgot the question that was initially asked, which is, aren't you kind of a hypocrite? Right? Aren't you a little bit of a hypocrite doing this? Well, there's so much happening. There's so much. And Charlie and I was in New York and let me tell you a funny story about my mom in the third grade. No answer because it is full and it is utter hypocrisy. And again, it feels to me as though they had sort of prepped this and I. I find it. Am I wrong here? Do you guys agree it's a little suspicious that they love releasing videos, they books everything of Charlie Kirk, and yet here they have on camera, allegedly, his dying wish for Erica to take over, to take over if he dies young at the age of 31, which he then happened to do three weeks later, and they don't want to release it. And they're angry. If you ask, they're angry you brandishing psychopathic subway killer seems a little suspicious. I'm gonna leave it at that. And before I tell you something that's even more suspicious, did a lot of research into her day of alibi that she was with her mother. And I want to put out some feelers for you and let you know what we have discovered. We will do that when we come back from a quick break. All right, you guys, you see the headlines, you read the stories, and then the impact shows up in your own numbers. Balances are rising and fees are piling up. Minimum payments are designed to stretch debt out for years. That's why you need to check out PDS debt. Whether you're struggling with credit cards, personal loans, or medical bills, PDS debt has custom options to help you get out of debt. They go beyond the numbers to understand your unique financial situation and craft a personalized plan that's designed just for you. There is no minimum credit score required. 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That's just thrive health.com candace all right you guys, let's get into Erica's story regarding her whereabouts on September 10th. Now we've already established Erica lies and she pivots and she edits and then a bunch of people come out to protect her. She's got money, she'll get the PR to come. But I tend to agree. Having looked into her background and her story and the manner in which she lies, I tend to agree with the opinion which was shared by Elizabeth Lane that Erica has psychopathic tendencies. By the way, Blake, looking back at you, buddy, right. I'm not the one who had an employer that got allegedly shot in front of my face. And I didn't think to call 91 1. I feel like that's a little psychopathic. I kind of just running to the back with Mikey, and Mikey calls his wife, and you call your mom, and no one calls 911. Like, that's a little psychopathic. I feel like walking away calmly is like psychopathic vibes. You know, going into the casket with your chief donor lady. A little psychopath. I don't know. I'm not like, an expert. I'm not Sigmund Freud. I'm not into, you know, the Kabbalah and 33rd degree masonry, but that felt to me a little psychopathic. Anyway, regarding Erica's whereabouts on September 10, I want to be super clear at first that I am not questioning whether or not Erica's mother has an illness. That has never been what I have been investigating. I have said many times, but I've known it was. It's been a discussion. I. Erica has even herself talked about her mother's Lyme disease in different settings. What I. The reason why this is even significant is because it's a part of Erica story, whether or not she was with her mother, as she says, on September 10th when she received the news from Mikey McCoy that Charlie was shot. Because I cannot ignore my gut feeling that a person that will do that, you know, have the chief fundraiser record you grieving over your husband, that they've got some tendencies, some tendencies to use emotion to manipulate people. And there was something that felt off to me about when I learned after Charlie's assassination the timing of her post. Two days prior to Charlie being shot, she posts this video of her mother looking tremendously frail and sick on the 8th, despite the fact that she had not posted her mother in years. It feels manipulative to me. It feels like providing the public with an unimpeachable boundary. Like, look at my mother in this state. Anything that I say that is attached to my clearly ailing mother cannot and should not be questioned, because that would be immoral. Again, manipulative, highly manipulative. Especially to post something like that without details. Okay, there's no. There's nobody worse on Instagram. And this is like, a broader point than people who, like, you know, post themselves in their arm and they're getting an IV and they, like, put a verse and then they give you no further details. It's like just a Cry for attention. Right. It's never normal to do that without any details. And it also, in. In the context of Erica, makes it so that people will just fill in the blanks and assume the worst. Right. To assume that something like maybe her mother's terminal. So we were initially told about Erica's whereabouts on September 10, or at least I think this is the earliest I can remember. I'm sure Turning Point usa. And if you find clips of, please send it to me. I know they were doing the. The rounds on the news, but I was not watching the news at that time. Erica sat down with the New York Times, as we have many times covered over just days following the assassination, welcomed them into her and Charlie's apartment, and here is what they published verbatim. They wrote, it had been Ms. Kirk's plan to accompany her husband to Utah, but her mother would be undergoing medical treatment in Phoenix area that same day. Home needs you, Mr. Kirk told her. They agreed that she would instead travel with him on the next leg of the tour to Colorado State University. So they're already kind of setting up right there, like you. The whole reason she wasn't there was because her mother is so sick and she needed to be there. It continues. Ms. Kirk was sitting in her mother's hospital room at 11:23am local time in Phoenix when she saw the number of her husband's longtime assistant, Michael McCoy, appear on her phone. In retrospect, she said she knew the words, he's been shot before Mr. McCoy screamed them. Kind of weird. Not every day somebody gets shot that's a political figure. I don't know. That just seems very strange to me, but that. That's her story. So they said the hospital again, we. We're gonna have to assume now that this reporter is, like, just writing whatever they want. The most crucial details, they're just effing up. And for whatever reason, we have a scenario where no one's moving to correct them. Okay. That was the established narrative that she was in hospital. So it was like this double whammy of she not only lost her husband, but she was just being this doting daughter and, you know, standing by her mother's side. She's getting treatment. Her mother looks like she might be dying. Again, these are psych games. Then we heard straight from Erica in November a little more detail during her sit down with Jesse Waters. Here is what she told us.
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How did you find out Charlie had been shot?
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Was at my mom's doctor's appointment. I have my phone, and I see the Video come in of him flinging out the hats. And I said, mom, look, it's starting.
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That was a cut there too. Did you see that, Skyler?
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So we saw the hats being flung. I put my phone down and it was on silent, so I had no reason to look back at it. Moved my mom. I went back to grab my phone, and that's when Mikey started calling me. Called me with a seconds. He's been shot. Get the kids. Get security. Get the kids. Get the kids. He's been shot. I sprinted out of her treatment center. Just collapsed in the middle of the parking lot. Called our security. Yeah. Unbelievable nightmare.
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Okay, so a little bit more there. She got the call with Mikey. She collapses in a parking lot. Also, I was just. If you heard me speaking to Skyler, he has, like, a producer's eye at. I think I noticed a cut, actually, because there was so much bizarre jump cuts in this interview. If you go back and watch it, clearly a lot of editing went into it. And there's also this bizarre. I think I saw a jump cut right when she says, I was at my mother's medical appointment. And then it looks like they kind of patched it. But can you just play just the beginning again when she.
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How did you find out Charlie had been shot?
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Was at my mom's doctor's appointment. I have my phone and I see the video come in of him.
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Was that a cut or just like a different angle? Could be. Anyway. Can come out of that. Anyway, the. The place in question. So then I started prodding, asking people. I was like, well, that's a pretty big event, right? A woman collapsing in a parking lot on a day. This is literally a day that will live in infamy. Everyone will remember where they were when they learned that Charlie Kirk had been shot. That's how big of an event this was. This is like 9 11. I'm sure JFK getting shot. Obviously, I was not alive for that, but, like, I can tell you exactly where I was during 9 11. I can tell you exactly where I was when Charlie got shot. And this is everyone. This is. This has never been seen before. To watch somebody bleed out in that way, it is sp. Like fire. So even if you were someone who did. If. Who did not know, Eric, who Erica Kirk was, if you got the news that Charlie had been shot and you then realized, oh, my gosh, that's so funny, because then her face was everywhere. I. I just realized I must have seen Erica Kirk because I was in my car. It's a massive parking lot. Where she's referring to. And I saw a woman collapse, and like that she had blonde hair. Like, that's what I'm looking for. Like, there should have been a lot of eyewitnesses to this scene of a woman collapsing. It also would require, of course, if you collapse in a parking lot, that the nurses are going to come out, escort you back in. How are you going to get from that parking lot? Are they going to call the police? Who knows? So then I determined that the place in question is not a hospital at all. There's no way that anyone would describe it as a hospital. It would be more appropriately described as an IV therapy place. If you were going to compare it to anything. It is a holistic clinic, which is a good thing. I'm all for holistic medicine. So it, like, I just want to assert that it was. It is not by any stretch of an imagination a hospital. And for sure, Erica's mother has in the past received treatments there. Okay. I was able to determine that factually she had. In fact, she went in for a treatment two days earlier on September 8, because people sent me records of that. Now, didn't ask for them, they sent it and ask anybody to violate TIPA, whatever. But I can confirm she was there on September 8th. Now, regarding the 10th, a very strange thing occurred. So we had put out an apb. Anybody that can confirm this, I'm looking for anybody in the parking lot. Somebody that works there, somebody that maybe works adjacent to it. Please tell us, send us some tips, more tips@cannesones.com and what we received was a flurry of text messages from various nurses and people who are friends and family of nurses who received these messages, who alleged initially, you could see this orbit, that Erica was at this place when she got the news that she had collapsed in the parking lot. So I thought, great, now I'm getting closer. And in some of these messages, they said the nurses had to carry her inside. Great. But then when we pushed further, okay, we, we, you know, bit. Bit on the beat. We kept finding that the story fell through the cracks, meaning that everyone involved had heard it from someone. So you get a nurse. This nurse was there. We'd prod that nurse. Oh, no, no, Actually, I've just followed up with her. And now she's saying, here are the messages. Her other. Her colleague nurse was there. Okay, we find the colleague nurse. This colleague nurse said this. Oh, actually, also, hers is not first person. It's another nurse. We were just going around in circles and kept pushing, going. It. Everyone thinks Another nurse saw it, you know, did it happen? Or were they all told that it happened here? And the more we pushed, at long last we had arrived at a more solidified story. At least it appeared ostensibly like a more solidified story, that actually they said, you know what, Erica was there, but she was in a meeting with the lead doctor in his office. Suddenly her mother had been completely removed from the story. Nobody would confirm Lori in the story. Now the doctor in question, who I'm not going to name at this moment because we just went out with him because we feel confident in what we have been able to pull together, he and his wife are involved. He's involved, I should say, via his wife in politics in a big way, federal politics, I would say. And that is of some interest to me. On the other side of things, they certainly, I'm referring to him and his wife told friends that Erica was in their office with a friend. To be clear, not with her mother, but with a friend. We also have a person who has come forward and they claim that Erica was with her security guard, Derek Niekirk, when she got the news with her security guard. And they were explicit, she was not with her mother. Okay. And lastly, we were given the name of a woman from Dassel, Minnesota who has claimed that she, and not Erica was with Lori when, when Lori got the news that her son in law had been shot. Again, I would like to stress, I would like to stress here that across all of these testimonies, Erica and Lori are not together. I am again going to also decline to name that woman in Minnesota because we have reached out now for comment. Suffice it to say that when we combine all these testimonies, the common theme, the common denominator, if you will, is that Erica and Lori were apart on September 10th. So a couple of questions. The doctor just say you, you know, you could say you were here. This will be an air packed alibi. We will say, I own the office, we're friends. I definitely can establish some connections between Turning Point USA and his wife, where his wife works. But you know, that was one. That's one narrative that's running in my mind is did they just say we'll say that's here? And I will tell people nurses that you were here. And that's how this all spread through wifi like wildfire. But no nurse was actually able to confirm that they themselves was there. We'll start the rumor, if you will, that you were here. That's one option. And another option is she was actually there and in the not with her mother and with Derek Niekirk and in his office for some reason taking a meeting. That's another option. But I feel on the basis of the legwork that we have done and how far we have investigated this and the people that we have speaking of, have spoken to with intimate knowledge and of course, again, the lack of eyewitness to a woman collapsing in a parking lot on such a day that is, you know, eternally downloaded in all of our minds. I feel it is very fair for me to state that I do not believe Erica was with her mother on that day. I believe that was a part of a narrative that was pre sold to us and packaged beginning actually on September 8th with her post of her mother in a frail state. We will keep pushing. If you have any more information pertaining to what I just shared, please email us at moretipssandison.com more tips@candaceowens.com okay, lastly, I am going to check here and see. I think we're running up on time. I do want to honorably mention that Pam Bondi was fired. Trump made the announcement on social media saying, Pam Bondi is a great American patriot, a loyal friend who faithfully served as my Attorney General over the past year. Pam did a tremendous job overseeing a massive crackdown in crime across the country with murders plummeting to their lowest level since 1900. We love Pam and she will be transitioning to a much needed and important new job in the private sector to be announced at a date in the near future. And our deputy attorney General and a very talented and respected legal mind, Todd Blanch, will step in to serve as Acting Attorney General. Thank you for your attention to this matter. President DONALD J. Trump. Okay, now people, I think initially thought this must be related to her fumbling the Epstein files so hard. No. Her and Trump are on the same team when it comes to the Epstein files. Please do not put that on Pam Bondi. Pam Bondi was doing as she was instructed to do by Trump, by Trump's orbit of friends who are all in the Epstein files. They protected the Epstein files together, okay? It was under her watch. And because if that was the case, Cash Patel would be gone, too, under her watch and under Cash Patel's watch that the Epstein files got released. And don't forget, because it kind of happened over Christmas, we never discussed it, that during that release they even released a fake, a deep fake video of Jeffrey Epstein in his cell committing suicide. Do you guys remember this? This kind of was a blip because this all happened on December 23, a couple days before Christmas, most people were on break. They released a fake video, and they got clocked on the fake video, and then they removed the fake video and refused to comment on it. Yeah, because Jeffrey Epstein is clearly alive. Okay? He's a. Wake up. He is alive. There's an Israeli operation to get him out of there. It's the reason why the New York Post had the exclusive photos in the story. This New York Post, for all intents and purposes, just a Mossad outfit, okay? They work on behalf of Israel. All. The New York Post exclusively finds Ghislaine Maxwell. Every single time. It's the New York Post. And so, yeah, this is not the reason she's being fired. We then learn, actually that the reason that Trump fired her is because he's upset with her, because he believes that she is the one that tipped off Eric Swalwell regarding an investigation into his relationship. You know, he was dating the Chinese spy girl. And so apparently the FBI was sort of preparing a bunch of documents relating to his relationship with Christine Fang. And she. Trump believes that she intervened and tipped him off, and he was angry with her. So it's like, you're not loyal to me, even though she's like, hey, you know, I kind of backed you up on Jeffrey Epstein. But you know how Trump is. You're in or you're out. And if you don't worship the ground he walks on and do everything he says, then you gotta go. So Trump needs a better dog, essentially. And she is sleazy, obviously. And so I don't know why he shocked. You're all sleazy. The whole everybody is sleazy post Epstein. But don't, don't get excited, guys. It certainly is not related to Trump doing the right thing. Don't be confused and think that he did the right thing. And realize that they fumbled the Epstein ball, even though that's how they're going to want to play it to the public. Because the other part sounds much more petty. And that's why it's buried deep in all of the articles about what happened with Eric Swalwell. So I want you guys to know that everything is still tremendously fake and gay, and we are being ruled by elites, people who deem themselves to be elites, but are actually kind of just deranged and disgusting. So there was that. We'll take a brief break before I get to some of your comments. All right, you guys, Peer Talk was one of the first companies I ever endorsed almost five years ago, and I wanted to work with a wireless company that shares my values. Pure Talk is veteran led, so helping veterans is their North Star. They have donated over half a million dollars to America's Warrior Partnership, a fantastic organization that is on the front lines of preventing veteran suicide and Peer Talk creates American jobs with a US Only based workforce. 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Let's bring back the bullet comparative bullet analysis thing and no one will notice. We discontinued it because but because we needed it then and we need it again and I there's actually more evidence. I'm not even kidding. Or you could say the same amount of evidence and an absence of evidence that Charlie. There's no evidence Charlie was even shot. There's no evidence Charlie was even shot because it doesn't make sense that they're saying we cut him open, went to his stomach, and what you got? One little fragment. Is that the new story they're telling? First it was the bullet, okay? It fragmented. There should be a lot of fragments. I am looking forward to the defense getting the files from the ATF that they are requesting, you know, not just a summary, but the actual files, the pictures, the photos. I want to see what it is that they are claiming was found in Charlie's thorax or it was his thorax, then it was under his skin. You know, the story changes all the time. It's like every, like I say, little edits. Mikey calling me within seconds. Oh, actually, no, Mikey did not call you within seconds. Mikey called his wife. It seems like they were kind of already on the phone so quick. And then he three wade you minutes later. Like, why is everybody like just slightly adjusting? Why did nobody mention his wife before that? Is that kind of weird? Kind of like left Elizabeth McCoy out of the story and then like suddenly like, oh, actually, there's one more thing. Did Charlie train Mikey McCoy to call his wife? That's weird. That was the initial narrative. They had to edit it after, like that. Mikey did exactly what he was supposed to do. He was amazing. He didn't call 901. He turned around, did what Charlie wanted him do. He called his wife. And we're not supposed to notice all of these slight little edits. I notice. I'm keeping track, keeping a list. Like I said, I've got some more tricks up my sleeve. We writer was the second biggest comment, like most liked comment he wrote. Trump is implying someone is jealous of Erica because they are investigating her husband's assassination. What a strange statement. Yeah, you put it that way. Why are you. Why do you want to know who killed Charlie? You're just jealous of Erica. Stop. She's. Stop every. We're just hot. Yeah, you're just jealous. That's why you want to know who killed her husband, because you're jealous. It's like, guys, you gotta work on the messaging also. Then like the clip going around of him, like reading his speech, being like, Charlie loved Erica very much. I such a chuckle about that because in particular, Charlie was so good at maneuvering with the White House and like he always was, had an in with Trump's speechwriter. So he would tell them, please save a sentence, please Save a sentence if there was something that he wanted to promote. Like when we were promoting Blexit. And so Trump did not write that. Obviously the speechwriter did, which means somebody replaced Charlie. Probably not him. Maybe Stacy Sheridan or somebody, and was like, hey, could you put this in the speech? Right? Put in the speech that Charlie loved Erica. And that's why he looks down his paper. He's like, charlie loved Erica very much. Trump doesn't write his own speeches, guys. Okay? So that is highly embarrassing. Highly embarrassing that you view something that should have so much substance as a talking point that will, you know, somehow bear more weight if the President of the United States says it actually make it diminishes it. It diminishes it. That's not like you want Trump to mention your company. You don't want Trump. You shouldn't need Trump to say that your husband loved you. That's weird. It is so. Everything is so backward and weird in terms of what they are doing, and we all feel it and we all see it. Okay, so comments for today's episode. Let me scroll down here. Double O writes, hi, Blake. Please show a trusted third party then, like Megan or your and our beloved Tucker, and let them verify or deny for the public on their good words. Since you guys don't trust Candace and a portion of her viewers not trust you, we need to know or just release it. It. Why does it have to do with Candace? What? What? What does it actually have to do with me? You guys made the promise. You put out the narrative. You guys played it as her walkout music. Usually people just pick a song, okay? You picked Dead Man's Dying Wish as her walkout music. So let's go drop the video. This is this. Stop trying to make it seem like this is. Oh, Candace. It's a strange request. Our entire basis of what we're doing relies on us telling people this is what Charlie wanted. Okay? Prove it. It. Right. You don't need a third party. Do it. Put it on your show. I dare you. Jen's hens writes. Candace, you are one of the few podcasters that I admire. You speak your truth, even if it's not popular, and you call out nonsense despite backlash from low IQ outfits. Your courage inspires me to bring more of that into my own life. Bless you and happy Easter. Yes, you guys, happy Easter. He is risen. And who is he? Truth. Christ is king. He wins. Check. Mino writes, hey, Candace compared to Candace compared to a subway knife psycho. Tim Dillon hears that and just cackles. It's a real knife fight out here. A friend of the show knows bring facts or bring a bigger blade. Keep carving. Legends. Yeah. I mean, I laughed so hard, cuz he's just like so unhinged. You could just tell he's very emotionally immature. He's like always, like, bursting. Somebody tweeted something so funny about his mannerisms and I'm going to butcher it and I hate that I'm going to do that. But they were basically like whenever he speaks, it's like a lie is like the lie is trying to escape him, you know, like, it's like he's like, oh, so uncomfortable. He like jitters and like he's like the lie doesn't even want to be there. And there it is. And Blake really does have that demeanor. He's like, he's like a child or something. It's just strange to me. Seven Sheets writes, tpusa understands that they cannot replace Charlie. A one of a kind innovator who led with authenticity, compassion, and transparency. Notably, he saw that in you. Not one comes close to filling the shoes of that man. Happy Easter and God bless you. Happy Easter. And I so agree. He led with authenticity and compassion and transparency and honesty. You know, he was honest about himself. His flaws. He did make mistakes. Is so stupid that they're like trying to turn him into. Are you saying that Charlie made mistakes all the time. I argued with him about his mistakes. He argues me about mine. We opened up each other about our mistakes, our flaws. He was a human being. So it's so weird that that's one of their strangest arguments. Are you saying he could have hired someone that in the end stabbed him in the back? Yeah. $100 million coming. Yeah, I'm saying that. I am saying that. Remember me as having said. Said that. Thank you. So weird. They're like, they're not even good at these, like, psychological games anymore. Lauren Brown writes, it's like watching the scene from Bridesmaids where she gives the toast Erica's answer at the New York Times Book Summit. It just goes on and on, my friends. 90s kids. This is an answer that never ends. It just goes on and on, my friends. Like, she just keeps going. I don't know if the PR is in the back, like, just shut up. Just stop speaking. Or if they were like, just like we told you. Keep speaking. Don't stop. They'll forget where they are. Don't know. Honestly, with Andrew Kolvez, probably the latter. Hot mess mom writes. Why was everyone talking about Charlie dying? I remember A podcast of someone asking him why he. What. What he wanted to be remembered for. And he said, if I die. And he responded for his faith. It was sketchy during the note from our producers that during the Iced Coffee Hour podcast, he said, I want to be remembered for courage, for my faith. That would be the most important thing. Most important thing is my faith. I do find it weird how much they are saying that Charlie thought about dying and then, like, when he actually, the night before said they're kill me, they were like, oh, no. Charlie was great. He was so excited. No, never had that thought ever. Like, it just. There's just so many things that they say that conflict with one another. I find it, like I said, to be based off of my own experience, of which I have a lot raising money with Turning Point usa. I have a ton of experience raising money. Turner Point usa. I have never heard that question asked from a donor ever. Highly unusual, right? And by the way, for the people that I read were at the event, they said what they remembered, which is much more logical, is that after Charlie gave his presentation, a donor woman from North Carolina asked him, like, that's a lot. You're doing a lot. You're planning on growing this way. You're one person. How are we going to do it all? To which he then said something about Steve Jobs and how these people hire lieutenants who they trust. And like, you know, we hire people that are going to be able to take, you know, take control of different departments. It's not just me. I'm not just one guy. I hire people that I trust. Guess who he had not hired in that moment. Erica. So how did we then jump to the edit of him saying Erica? Like, are they editing a joke? He made a different time because there's an edit that's net it. We hear an edit there. Okay, Be good if we could see it. Please release it. Put pressure on Turning Point USA to release this tape. Everyone should do this. Everyone should put pressure on Turning Point USA to release the tape as they promised footage that they had unseen footage. Well, this is some footage that is unseen that we would like to see. And I also want to say, guys, obviously we're going off for a week. We have tons to investigate in if I will put out more APBs. If you know anything about Erica's whereabouts in September 10th, we want to hear from you more tips@candace owens.com Lori's whereabouts on September 10th. We think we're pretty close to nailing her down. We still want to hear from you More tips@cannes.owens.com. and also want to honorably mention, like, just when we went live, I heard about Judge Lehman throwing out an entire portion of Justin Baldon's case, Blake Lively's case against him for sexual harassment. And it's. I'm having the best week ever. What can I say? I am having the best week ever. I just have, like, extra sauce and glitter and balloons on me. I am glowing this week. I don't know what's happening, but this week is about me. This should have been my birthday. My birthday's not for weeks, but this should have been my birthday week. I am so upset it wasn't because it feels like it. I'm just. Just racking up the wins, you know? Strong week for Candace Owens supporters. Justice ultimately being served. You go Justin Baldoni. That is my cousin, you know, and he knows. We're this close, guys, to getting the kombucha. We are this close. Did I tell you guys? Fun update. He's moving here to Tennessee. I know why he's moving here. No one has figured this out. He's moving here because eventually he's gonna. He wants to get kombucha with me. So congratulations, Justin Baldoni. The sexual assault claims were insane. Women be crazy, yo. That's been the theme of the last year. Women be crazy, o very crazy, yo. So crazy, yo. But then be trying to manipulate and be like, oh, machad did a puppy. 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