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Ian Carroll
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Candace Owens
Right, you guys, happy Thursday. I told you I'd be popping in today because I needed to speak with Ian Carroll about the Diddy case. He was kind of the first one that forced me down the rabbit hole, one of his videos. So I'm glad to have him back. We're going to discuss the dogs that are not barking in that case feels to me a little bit like a distraction. And we're not really getting to the nucleus of what could very well be another blackmail ring. Also, in case you missed it, there's no way you could have because it's wall to wall coverage. A terror attack in D.C. and, and people already using it to try to insist upon speech laws in the United States. What's going on? Why are people coming up with so many conspiracies? Let's try to separate fact from fiction as more information pours in. Again, I'll be joined by Ian Carroll. So let's jump right in. Welcome back to Candace, Ian Carroll. You've done such a good job covering for me, by the way.
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Ian Carroll
Thank you.
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Candace Owens
My audience loves you.
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Ian Carroll
Thank you. It's been so much fun. Your team is awesome.
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Candace Owens
In a little bit, we're gonna have to cover that red bracelet.
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Ian Carroll
I know. I mean, I almost exposed your whole operation.
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Candace Owens
Operation.
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Ian Carroll
Fortunately. Fortunately, the Internet will forget all about it. There's this new terror attack we have to.
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Candace Owens
I was calling, I was like, what is. What did you wear on the show today? I'm getting tweeted. What is happening? We're gonna dive into that, but I first wanna. Should we start with the DC terror attack or do you want to talk about the Diddy case? Let's talk about the Diddy case first because the. The terror attack is fresh and there's a lot that I want to get to in a lot of clips that I want to show. Diddy case. Honestly, when you did your video speaking about Jonathan Odie, I was very plugged into that because I had read through Little Rod's case. Everything little Rod has said so far has checked out. Little Rod, in case you guys are not aware or haven't been following this case, he was the producer who initially filed the lawsuit against Diddy. This came after Cassie's lawsuit, which virtually went away overnight because she settled. And he detailed very much what looked to be a blackmail operation. He named a lot of names, talked about pink cocaine, drugs. And Ian then does this video where he goes backwards and speaks about a man named Jonathan Odie. Can you update my audience on who Jonathan Odie is?
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Ian Carroll
Most people remember the video. It was in 2018. He was the Trump Doral Hotel shooter. And he's, like, a bald guy. And everyone's seen clips of him or photos of him in his, like, weird hospital gown with one arm out and one arm. And he. He, like, went into the Trump Hotel in Doral and shot a gun in the air a bunch of times, not at anyone. And. And then, like, took over the lobby of the hotel and draped a giant American flag over it. Very, like, bizarre behavior. And then got into a shootout with police, got shot, ran away, surrendered this whole thing. And it turned out that once he got, you know, apprehended and taken in, there's this video that went on the Internet that was from his, like, medical examination or something, but it's like a 30 minute. A lot of people saw at the time, but everyone kind of forgot about, because he was clearly insane. Clearly insane. He was making bizarre claims like he was Diddy's sex slave and that Diddy had forced him to have sex with his girlfriend Cassie, and that he had contracted an STD from them and then had sued. And then he also talks about, like, the black boule and the Illuminati. The Illuminati playing cards. And he's, like, trying to warn Trump. Apparently, the whole thing, the whole ordeal, was him trying to get Trump's attention so that he could save Trump from the Illuminati, which is incredible.
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Candace Owens
We do have some clips from that video that this man who looked like he escaped from an insane asylum was saying, among very many other things, that he was here to rescue Trump. They were going to try to assassinate Trump. He saw it in the Illuminati card deck, is what he said, that he was a sex slave, and he's trying to expose this whole drug operation. At that time, nobody knew anything about Diddy and Cassie and all of this stuff that's coming out right now. Um, Skyler, what clip should we play first? I think just play any one of these clips that you have, because they're all good. From Jonathan Odie Yeah, sure. Let's play a montage.
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C
Do you know Sean Combs?
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Ian Carroll
Puff Daddy. Yeah. P. Diddy, whatever you call himself these days. Yeah, go ahead.
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C
Yeah, he's part of what's called the bule. The bullet is a branch of the Illuminati.
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Candace Owens
Okay.
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C
It's the black piece. I had settlement with Sean, Okay. And he belongs to that agenda. That's why he's so famous. They land all the contracts. It's his attorneys. I had sex with Cassie and Sean, basically.
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Candace Owens
He would.
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C
He would masturbate, tell me what to do with Cassie. I had like 15 encounters, and I heard lots of business. Because what they would do is Sean talks a lot on the. On the phone and on the TV with speakers and stuff. And I would be in the. I was like a sex slave. The hip hop agenda is an agenda to move drugs lower the United States. You need to inform the dea.
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Ian Carroll
They.
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C
They move all the dope, okay? All the dope on private jets which don't get screened by. By. By customs, by the dealer inside the United States.
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Candace Owens
So everything he's saying about the relationship between Diddy and Cassie ended up being verified and true and sounded insane at that time. He also says that Diddy's a member of the Black Illuminati and that he would hear him on the phone discussing matters. And the biggest thing is saying that there's a hip hop agenda and essentially they create these guys and enrich them. Because really what they're doing, and in further parts of this video on behalf of the Feds, is that they're moving drugs throughout the United States.
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Ian Carroll
Yeah. That they're trafficking. He. He implies very large amounts of drugs, like, I would assume bricks and bricks and bricks of drugs on their private jets. And that got me thinking, and I started looking up which celebrities own private jets and how far can their private jets fly. And a lot of them do own private jets. Jay Z's private jet as well is, like, famous or noteworthy because it has a very long range, so it can fly international, intercontinental. And so that's interesting because when you do start to look into how private jets get treated at airports and stuff like that, I mean, I'm no expert. I've never been to these private jets, but there's a lot of loopholes that are available, and you could definitely imagine that being a pretty smart way to do such a thing, Right? Yeah. We have a lot of history of both the feds and, you know, say, organized crime that works in the music industry, trafficking drugs.
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Candace Owens
And I've never Really quite understood why Diddy's fame has lasted this long, why he is so wealthy, how he's doing all these extravagant things. Things like. Genuinely, I've never really quite understood it. And it's just interesting because when two things that seem actually three things that seem so crazy end up fact checking. True. He also mentioned in this. We didn't show this clip, but he mentions pink cocaine.
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Ian Carroll
Yeah.
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Candace Owens
At that time, no one knew what he was talking about. Suddenly, Lil Rod's lawsuit is speaking about that exact same drug that he's saying is a combination of all sorts of drugs like MDMA and cocaine. And again, all this is allegedly. But he says that essentially that's what Diddy is giving out at these parties that has people. That is so high rather. And then another piece of this, which we didn't show, which he said at that time in terms of saving Trump was. He says that he saw in the Illuminati card deck that they were going to try to assassinate Trump again. What year was this that Jonathan Odie was 2018. And we can also now confirm that he was indeed a sex slave to Cassie and Diddy because he's testifying at this trial, which is insane. Oh, I'm sorry. Cassie was asked question. Yeah, Cassie testified about him and was asked questions and confirmed.
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Ian Carroll
I want to stand so bad.
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Candace Owens
So what's going on?
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Ian Carroll
Right.
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Candace Owens
And how can everything he say, oh, he just knew Trump was. What's a. What is an Illuminati card deck? And you're going to stop calling everybody conspiracy theorists because there's just no way. There's just no way this happens.
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Ian Carroll
That's really fun about that interview, is that it's pretty clear from his. When you listen to the whole thing a couple times because of his crazy accent, it's hard to tell, but it's clear that he details very specific things about his encounters with Diddy and Cassie, that he's clearly remembering actual events, especially now that we have confirmation that he's not entirely crazy. But then there's also an element where he. He says a few times that he also did research online to sort of put things together, because some things he's talking about how I overheard it on the phone, I overheard it while I was there. And other things, it's sort of more like I, I figured this out or I piece this together. And so there's an element that's really fun in my mind, tinfoil, where it's like, I presume that part of what he says in that interview is actual experiences that he had. And part of it is him sort of piecing things together from online, like 4chan style research. And you don't necessarily know which is which, but we're starting to get a pick. Like we're starting to get confirmations of some of them and other ones seem more plausible and other ones are, are more like, I don't know.
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Candace Owens
He also casually says in his interview that Tupac is still alive and he's.
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Ian Carroll
In Cuba, drops it out of nowhere.
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Candace Owens
And that's been a major conspiracy that Tupac still. I've never looked into that one. I just want to be very clear, but because I'm going back and I'm thinking it's just strange that everything this man said or too much of what he said has fact checked true. Which seems so bizarre that another very bizarre claim he made that Tupac's live is in Cuba. And he's just like chilling and saying that just kind of gets you thinking about all sorts of other things. What is reality?
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Ian Carroll
All sorts of other things.
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Candace Owens
What is reality?
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Ian Carroll
I also, while we're on the black boule thing, that, that, that. John, could you describe, by the way?
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Candace Owens
Because when you actually brought black boule, I had no idea what that was.
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Ian Carroll
I don't know a lot about it. And I think that there's a lot of versions of it as like, I think that conspiracy, it's like, you know, Vatican conspiracies go all sorts of different directions. The Jew conspiracies go all sorts of directions. And the Black boule, I think the understanding is that it traces back to like the black nobility and, and one of the royal families.
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Candace Owens
I think there might be a Wikipedia.
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Ian Carroll
Yeah, yeah, there is. And, and so it, that in modern times there's lots of different takes on it, but the theory is that you sell out your own. And so the Black boule, my understanding is that they are sort of the black people that sell out the. On behalf of, you know, the Illuminati or the, the guys controlling the world. And LeBron James does have a gigantic back tattoo of the crest, like the symbol itself of the Black Boule. Very, very literally the exact image. Well, or it's his chest. I think it's.
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Candace Owens
Yeah, I think it's on his chest. I think I saw that in your video and.
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Ian Carroll
Kind of weird.
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Candace Owens
So that's interesting that he's saying he's a member of this, especially as we're now learning so much about what took place at these Diddy parties. And I want to be clear here. We can't really discuss Cassie's testimony, because I try to keep this show family friendly. And I just.
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Ian Carroll
There's not a single piece of that that is.
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Candace Owens
That is right. I can't read anything about these transcripts. Suffice it to say they were into just the most debased, disgusting, sexual stuff that you could possibly imagine. She was very clear that she was high on drugs throughout a lot of it. I completely believe that, based on what we've learned from Little Rod and learned from other people, including this guy, Jonathan Odie, that that was definitively one component of this. But it's interesting that you. We're talking about the idea of these people selling out the black community on behalf of somebody else, because there are some dogs that are not barking that have me very concerned in this case, because I read through Little Rod's lawsuit, and I very much expected that the Universal execs would be brought into this, into the hearing, at the very least, to testify. And also the. The biggest person missing here is Christina Karam. Okay, Skyler, can you pull up a picture of this Christina Karam? Do you. You know who I'm speaking about?
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Ian Carroll
Yeah, I mean, I didn't know who you were speaking about before this.
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Candace Owens
Oh, you didn't?
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Ian Carroll
No, I wasn't really familiar with her.
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Candace Owens
Okay, so she was all over the lawsuit. And you've had people since that have brought her up. And Skyler, I don't know, we actually wouldn't even be able to show that. And again, this is all allegedly. But this was the Ghislaine Maxwell that was always at his side. It has been alleged by people who say that they were abused by Diddy, that she was allegedly placing IUDs in women. People that have accused him of, like, a very aggressive form of rape, accused her of being the person that made all this happen. In Little Rod's lawsuit, he was explicit in saying that she was the supplier of all the drugs. She's just gone, like, she's just. For some reason, they thought, we have to take down Diddy. But it was very clear in Little Rod's lawsuit that Diddy was kept high intentionally because of her, because they. She was instructing people to keep him drugged. Allegedly, Allegedly, allegedly. On this pink cocaine. And she's gone like, there. I could not find a trace of this woman on the Internet. And how is that possible?
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Ian Carroll
What a coincidence.
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Candace Owens
What a coincidence. The Universal music execs. Did you read what was in the lawsuits about that?
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Ian Carroll
Yeah, yeah, please. I mean, these lawsuits were, in a lot of ways, my introduction to all these people, like, I didn't know who Lucy and Grange was before I read those lawsuits. I wasn't paying attention to pop culture. But the moment you read those lawsuits, it's immediately apparent and just logically apparent that if Diddy's throwing all these parties, Universal Music Group is in some way financially involved. But the lawsuit alleges that they're directly financially involved. And the lawsuit alleges that Lucy and Grange frequently attended them and probably funded some of them and certainly had secret meetings, or at least allegedly had secret meetings with Diddy frequently.
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Candace Owens
In his bedroom.
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Ian Carroll
Yeah, in his bedroom for an hour or more. And so all of that, like, even suppose, you know, Lucy and Grange and Universal Music Group, they get taken off of Little Rod's lawsuit, which was very strange.
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Candace Owens
Very strange.
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Ian Carroll
Very.
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Candace Owens
Why would you just remove them from a lawsuit that people are getting drug. If you're going to go after Diddy.
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Ian Carroll
I think we all.
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Candace Owens
Can you not. I mean, seriously, we all know why. Lucian Grange has been a very powerful figure for a very long time. Started as. With a totally different name, by the way. I don't know.
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Ian Carroll
You're the one that put me on.
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Candace Owens
Don't try trust men that change their names, least of all, three times. Okay. A family that goes from Goldstein to G to Grange doesn't make sense to me. And you have him at the top of the food chain. Heavily implied by Little Rod that they were allowing this to go on, to get blackmail on certain people, and they just disappear him, disappear them.
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Ian Carroll
And, I mean, it's.
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Candace Owens
What's the logic here?
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Ian Carroll
It's understandable.
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Candace Owens
There's tapes. Little Rod said there's nothing but tapes, tapes of everything. And that Diddy was taping the people that were coming as well.
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Ian Carroll
Yeah. Yeah. So it's understandable that a powerful person would be taken off the lawsuit just because powerful people can get their names, you know, protected. But in this case, like, Lucien Grange would be a star witness in any regard, even if he wasn't guilty. He would like. So they don't want any kind of scrutiny. They don't want anyone looking at Lucien. They don't want anyone looking at Christina. And in Little Rod's lawsuit, he names the guy that was in charge of Diddy's computer system. He names the guy that was his tech guy that was in charge of all the cameras, and no one's ever spoken about him since. He's just gone.
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Candace Owens
So I do want to encourage people because I do view this, and I want to be careful here. I view this as a As a show trial.
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Ian Carroll
Yeah.
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Candace Owens
Because most people are just looking at the names, looking at the insanity of the stories of the things. And I can say this, like, a lot of urination was involved in. In what they were into. And it's so crazy on its face to think that these A listers are involved in all of this stuff, that people are not going to go back and look at the genesis of this lawsuit. They're not going to read through what Little Rod put.
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Ian Carroll
That's all they want you to focus on.
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Candace Owens
All they want you to focus on is the names. Or they're bringing up Justin Bieber. He says he's not involved. You know, she's saying this person, this person, this person. You guys have to go back to the beginning and read because then you will realize if you read Little Rod's lawsuit, and you should read it front to back. Okay. Because everything thus far that he has claimed as an allegation is checking out to be true in the courtroom. And people laughed at his lawsuit when it first came out. And I was like I said, appears, Morgan, he's getting arrested. Oh, there's no way around this. There's too much video evidence. Little Rod has this video evidence, but there are some major dogs that are not barking here. And it's.
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Ian Carroll
And they're all the most important ones. Yeah. And we also did. We didn't mention Fahim Muhammad, who would be a pretty interesting dog to put on the stand because Fahim Muhammad was one of the first people that we connected over, is one of us made a video about him. And then you did.
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Candace Owens
I copied you.
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Ian Carroll
Right. And then that was the first time that I like that we kind of started interacting on content and that rabbit hole started to go pretty deep. And I actually then explained to them.
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Candace Owens
Because most people might not be aware.
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Ian Carroll
Of this, Mohammed Diddy's head of security is named in this lawsuit. And he's named in this lawsuit as kind of the fixer, the guy that makes things go away, which is already pretty suspicious. And then one of my followers commented in my comment section that, hey, that dude was Michael Jackson's head of security. So I started digging into that. And that's absolutely true. And when you do the math, Michael Jackson's head of security, Fahim Muhammad, also did his head of security, he graduated college like one year before Michael Jackson died in his care. As his head of security, one of.
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Candace Owens
The people that was there, it was.
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Ian Carroll
The doctor second on the scene.
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Candace Owens
And it was him.
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Ian Carroll
And he graduated with a business. Business and marketing degree with a Specialty in real estate, which does not sound like head of security material to me. And then another researcher found out that he owns a whole bunch of land through his real estate company right on the border of Mexico. And there's actually local. Local news television footage of him. Like, he gave a gift to his son of 40 acres of this land when his son turned 13. And there's local news station footage of him taking the newscaster around the land. And, like, they're like, on how they go out there all the time and have a good time. And the border wall is right there in the TV shot. And it's. It's unreal just to think, like, how, like, excuse me, this is during Biden's presidency. This is when people are jumping over that border like crazy, when there's all kinds of stuff going on on that border. That's not the kind of land that you want to own as a real estate development company.
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Candace Owens
And then just to connect the dot, as well as when he's mentioning the Little Rod lawsuit as the fixer to show you how extreme, what he's being accused of is. Is essentially he's the guy you call if you shoot somebody.
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Ian Carroll
Yeah.
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Candace Owens
He. He intimates this scene in the lawsuit, Little Rod, where Diddy allegedly and his son allegedly shoot some guy in a bathroom. Little Rod is. Is as this guy is bleeding out, cleaning up, trying to help this guy. He's very close or out just outside of the bathroom. Little Rod might have been in the bathroom. And he knows that after Diddy and his son come up and shoot this guy, he's trying to apply pressure to the wound. And they know that you have to call this guy, and he'll get the correct person over at LAPD to come over and. And they'll tell a lie. And he says that the next day, the press ran a story that there was a drive by shooting. And he's like, that's not what happened at all. And it made me really think about the book Chaos that so many people on my podcast have listened to and watched. I mean, I have listened to, and it's describing a corrupt LAPD with feds that are involved and know how to disappear certain things, and we know that to be factually true based on the Charles Manson murders. So this makes me super uncomfortable. Why is this man not being brought to heal? Why. Why do we not have this individual taking the stand and answering questions about any of that? I mean, there's so much wrong with this picture.
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Ian Carroll
I mean, if you're. So. Let's run with the idea of what the mainstream media is picturing Diddy's operation as, as just a bunch of depraved sex. The head of security of that operation is the first dude you should be talking to because the head of security for Diddy's depraved sex ring is going to know about everything that happened. He's going to know where the people were, how they came in, where they left through all of it. And so the fact that no one's mentioned Fahim Muhammad yet, and maybe they will, maybe they'll bring him in, but I haven't heard his name yet at all in relation to this trial. And so you couldn't paint a better picture for a show trial that is designed to be salacious and crazy and wild and scandalous in all the wrong directions.
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Candace Owens
In all the wrong directions.
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Ian Carroll
Hide what was really going on. Because it's still going on.
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Candace Owens
It is still going on. And I want to get your opinion on Cassie because it's an interesting one and she's definitely a victim of domestic violence. But then people testifying to what, how she was involved. Complicated issue to kind of look at. You know, do you see Cassie here as the victor and the victim of this situation or do you see her as somebody who's actually getting away with having done a lot? Before we do that, I do want to throw it to a couple of our sponsors. First and foremost, Brick House Nutrition. This doesn't happen often, so you're going to want to jump on this. Brick House nutrition's memorial day sale is officially live for a limited time. You can save 25% off everything with my code memorial25, their collagen, creatine and any of their other doctor formulated products, all on sale for 25 off. The sale includes our favorite of their products, Field of greens, which is their super fruit and vegetable drink that literally promises your doctor will notice your improved health or you will get all of your money back. All the fruits and vegetables were doctor selected for a specific health benefit. Field of greens is perfect for heart, health, lungs, kidney, metabolism and even maintaining a healthy weight. One drink a day is all it takes. Kick off a healthy summer and save big while you're at it. So go to brickhouse nutrition.com use code memorial25 for 25% off and do not wait. The sale's only on for a few days. Again, brickhouse nutrition.com code memorial25 brickhouse nutrition.com also remind you guys about Pure Talk because what if I told you that you could be cutting your cell phone bill in half and also support a US company that shares your values. Values like supporting our veterans and creating American jobs. What if I told you that you don't have to sacrifice coverage to do that because you'll be on America's most dependable 5G network? I'm talking about the only wireless company that I endorse, Pure Talk, a wireless company that is veteran led and invests in a US customer service team so that you have the best support possible. If you're with Verizon, AT&T or T Mobile, join the hundreds of thousand who have successfully cut their cell phone bill in half. That's right. The average family saves over a thousand dollars a year when they switch to Pure Talk. Switching it, you can do that in as little as 10 minutes if you go to PureTalk.com Owens with plans starting at just 25 bucks a month. I mean, what are you waiting for? Go to PureTalk.com Owens and make the switch to Pure Talk Wireless by Americans and for Americans. Okay, so, Kassie, this is complicated. I don't really know how I feel about it. It's a lot. I think first and foremost, there's no question she's a victim. We've watched this woman get beat on camera. She was definitively in a domestic violence relationship. A relationship with domestic violence, rather. And there's a lot that comes with that, like, you know, anguish, pain. You want to go back to the person, think that they can protect you. And I also want to be clear that she met Diddy when she was 19 years old, which is so different from the Harvey case. I keep stressing to people, these women were like 27 to 30 years old. They knew what they were doing. Cassie's brain was not developed. She sees Diddy walk in. He's got so much power, money. Women are attracted to that and thinking he can take care of her and he kind of gets her in this scenario. But it is hard to know, as Jonathan Odie says and other people have said, is that she was involved in some of the abuses that were happening to other people. So she. It's. It's just interesting to kind of consider Cassie in this, where she. What she has done is definitively heroic in exposing everything and in taking the standard. But do you wipe her clean of everything that she's done and think, like, you know what? She was really in a really bad situation and she stayed in that relationship for 10 years, by the way. So it wasn't like it was a short relationship. It was 10 full years of this I.
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Ian Carroll
It's a good question. I think that I do absolve her of guilt, specifically because of what's written in her lawsuit, in the sense that when you're 19 and in her lawsuit, my memory of it is that she actually took a while to be taken in by him. She wasn't immediately like, oh, my gosh, Diddy, I'm gonna, like. But rather, he can't. He, like, plied her over the course of a year, and eventually it was with drugs that he eventually got through to her, and he kind of, like, drugged her one night and then, like, took her out and then sort of, like, weaseled his way into her life, is the way it was portrayed. And that is, in her words, obviously, trying to paint herself in the best light, probably. But when you're 19 and drugs that are very quickly, very addictive are involved and very serious physical abuse is involved from that early age, and. And the types of abuses we're talking about when you try to leave, when you try to wrong him at all, that. The ways that people describe Diddy's abuse from that age onwards, that does something to your brain that I do not blame her for her complete. Because, like, let's be real. Diddy's a bigger dude that could beat her senseless that we've seen beat her senseless, Right?
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Candace Owens
Absolutely.
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Ian Carroll
And so if she's complicit in any of those crimes while she's, you know, with him, that is Diddy's crime.
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Candace Owens
Right.
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Ian Carroll
And we. We have more than enough evidence to see that's Diddy's fault and Diddy's crime. And then when you top it all off with her having the gumption to bring that case and to stand up and speak and to file that lawsuit which started all these lawsuits, she's the one that opened the floodgates here. That's incredibly brave. And that's something that all the women that came before her, all the men that came before, all the sex slaves that came before, did not do. Right. And so I'm. I'm inclined to think of Cassie as a bit of a hero in this situation.
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Candace Owens
She did settle. She did settle.
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Ian Carroll
She did settle.
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Candace Owens
I think she settled. Then she released the tape, somehow got the tape out, which I think was really brave. I. I tend to agree with you. I think the only part that I struggle with is that. And this is philosophical again, so I'm not casting any judgment, but when the victim then victimizes, think about that person who she victimized, and they're like, no, I distinctly remember Cassie Threatening me. Because this has come out. And they've shared text messages throughout this lawsuit of her threatening people and saying, I'm gonna have this done to you, or whatever. Obviously with herself feeling threatened as she described, because she felt like, well, a person could release a tape of her at this freak off. And I'm like, okay, but what about that person? If they, if they experience their experiences. Actually, no. Cassie victimized me. It gets so convoluted. But I think you do have to kind of go back to the beginning and go, yeah, you know, she was 19. She was ply with drugs, she was ply with alcohol. And yeah, she was groomed. In my. In my. In my viewpoint, like, she. Obviously, nothing that was done was illegal. She was of 19. 19 years old. Well, our understanding is that women. Your brain is not developed is illegal. Exactly. Yeah.
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Ian Carroll
And bombing cars is illegal.
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Candace Owens
No, no, no, no. I mean that, like him dating her, the relationship was not. Yeah, illegal in terms of her age, but.
- [25:52]
Ian Carroll
And somewhat consensual.
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Candace Owens
And somewhat consensual. That's what I mean. But she was still 19 and her brain wasn't developed. So it's been tricky. And you see people that are making a lot of comments, but the reality is we would not even be where we are today if it had not been for Cassie's first step in dropping that lawsuit for the public to see. And then maybe that gave little Rob the courage then drop his lawsuit and kind of the floodgates opened from there.
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Ian Carroll
I'm also just. I'm prone to empathizing with people of all varieties from all walks of life, because I think that's really important. That comes from being raised by teachers. And thinking as a teacher often is. You have to understand where people are coming from. And when it comes to Diddy, it's like. Like you can do that a little bit, but it's much easier to understand where Cassie's coming from. And certainly she has committed crimes and certainly she has. Is not. Her hands are not clean. But you have to take each person for what their life is worth and what their crimes are and what their story is in general. I think that Cassie's. Cassie's hurt and then help at the end of this situation. I think that in my mind that outweighs what she. What she did wrong.
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Candace Owens
I tend to agree with you. Yeah, I was thinking about it. I do think what she's done has been actually an act of bravery. And it is. The whole situation is obviously tragic. You're talking about empathy. You're talking about Sympathy. We should probably now speak about a lot that has happened in the last 24 hours and some of it just way too predictable. I guess I'll start by saying I have blood on my hands again. It's incredible.
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Ian Carroll
We both do.
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Candace Owens
I have had blood on my hands so much throughout my career and I want to just call out the left and the right for engaging in this. I think it's so. It's so tacky. It's overdone. Nobody's buying it anymore. Trying to score political points. Something happens. I remember my first time was pretty bad. It was a mosque shooting in New Zealand and they were like, you have blood on your hands. I was like, I've never been to New Zealand. I don't speak about mosques or Muslims. What have I done? And it becomes this way. They're like, well, you're mentioning a manifesto. What do I have to do with New Zealand and mosque shootings? Nobody knows. But it becomes this way. And I do want to get to manifestos. I find them to be extremely suspect now. Yes, they're always ready found immediately and they say exactly what they need to say in order to people to go after certain people. But anyways, this is obviously last night, terrible tragedy happens. You get two Israeli diplomats who are gunned down in dc, a person. We don't have footage yet of that shooting, but we do know that a person then entered into. It was a museum. Correct?
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Ian Carroll
I think it was a museum where this event was being hosted. And the event was something of a, the, a quote from the organizer of the event said something like, this was an event to build bridges towards peace in the Middle east, towards, you know, building bridges between the different nations in the Middle East. So it was definitely a progressive style of an event. It was not a BB style event for sure.
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Candace Owens
And they, this individual then screams free Palestine. And of course now the Internet is accusing everybody who has ever said the right thing about what is happening in Gaza of having blood on our hands. Because we have been humane towards that.
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Ian Carroll
And conflating it with anti Semitism too. It's just like maybe, maybe he was anti Semitic, maybe he killed them just because they were Jewish. But all the evidence that I'm seeing is that it was political and, and conflating the fact that they were Jewish with the fact that he was saying free Palestine and you're Israeli having to do with the Israeli government. That is. Those are not the same things.
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Candace Owens
It's crazy.
- [29:03]
Ian Carroll
It's not the same thing.
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Candace Owens
It's crazy and it's, it's also extremely desperate. To me, I think that there's no other way to look at everything that's transpired than to acknowledge the Zionists have lost the moral argument. They've lost the moral high ground if they ever had it. Too many Americans are awakened to this, especially the youth are awakened to these sorts of tactics, and they just did too much, too fast, trying to cancel too many people, trying to call everybody, literally Hitler. Eventually people go, okay, I. Everyone can't be Adolf Hitler. That has. That disagrees with you. And people have survived these cancellations. Tucker Carlson, myself, they're now calling. Now. They're using the strategy of saying, we're all funded by Qatar. And it just looks messy and it inauthentic. And their platforms are dying. They're sending out bots to try to pretend that they're popular. I don't really know what's going on, but I do want to say that I think it was actually Jordan Peterson, who said correctly, that once you get to a state where you start going after the comedians, right, then you know that you are existing under. Things are about to get very authoritarian. They've gone out for Joe Rogan, right? They have gone after Dave Smith.
- [30:07]
Ian Carroll
Big time.
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Candace Owens
Big time, right? They are going after. Now Theo Vaughn. They've gone after Tim Dillon. And I want to show you what Theo Vaughn posted. And this was yesterday. And so now he legally has blood in his hands onto his Twitter feed. He shared it. It went absolutely viral. And they're now diagnosing Theo Vaughan as mentally ill because he shared this sentiment. Let's play this clip in its entirety.
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D
You know, I wanted to say something. There's been something that's just been kind of on my heart, and so I feel like I should bring it up. There is. You know, we've had people on the podcast in the past to talk about it, and there's just a. There's a conflict that's been happening in the Middle East. People know about it between Israel and Palestine, and some of the areas over there, the Gaza area, they talk about. And. And I just think it's. It feels to me. I don't know if I. It just. It feels to me like it's a genocide that's happening while we're alive here in front of our. In front of our lives. And I. I don't. Sometimes I feel like I should say something. I'm not a geologist or geographer or anything like that, you know, so I don't know a lot of the. Some of it. I do know, though, Like, I know the basics of the issues over there, but for me, it's just like, how I feel. Like, you see all these photos of people, just children, women, people, body parts, just people, like, putting their kids back together. And I just can't believe that we're watching that and that more isn't said about it. And so I'm not saying anyone else needs to say anything, but I think I'm just. That more isn't said about it by me. So I just. I want to be able to speak up about that, that I think we're watching probably, like, you know, one of the sickest things that's ever happened. And. And I'm sorry if I've kind of haven't said about it. I've tried to talk about it and learn about it, but I don't know, maybe I just want to. I just wanted to say something. I don't even know what to do, you know, and it's crazy because our country is also complicit in it. You know, it's in it and has been for a long time. And it's just kind of interesting because then you just realize, oh, well, I'm just a. Yeah, I'm a member of this country, but I'm just. What we want sometimes doesn't matter, you know, and you just have to be a member of a place and your government is making other choices. So I don't know if I don't know if I said that correctly or I don't know exactly what I said, but I just. I just have. It just, like, been making me really sick. And I feel like I just needed to say something that I think. You don't have to think that I'm not asking you to do anything, but I just have to say that. So I'm not sitting by. You know, there's that peace inside of you. I mean, like, why wouldn't you. Can you say something? You know, there's people that can't even speak and you can say something, you know, and so that's how I just had to just speak up anyway.
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Candace Owens
Yeah.
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D
So just praying for those people and just the grief that that is all going to cause.
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Candace Owens
I can't even basically want to say about that clip is that it makes you want to cry because it was.
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Ian Carroll
So heartfelt, just clearly genuine. Like, there's not been a clip more genuine on the Internet in a long time. I feel like.
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Candace Owens
Yeah, and I can empathize with him because I felt that pressure last year where I kind of went. I have A massive platform. There are people who can't say anything. I am watching. Before they somehow cleaned up X. Every day, I was just watching these kids being blown up. I was watching people starving. And I remember distinctly what it was that made me feel like I had to say something. And it was the sound of a mother screaming after her daughter was killed. And I remember her holding the lifeless body and the rubble, and I had to say something. And it cost me, actually, in retrospect, literally nothing.
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Ian Carroll
Yeah.
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Candace Owens
But at the time, it felt like everything. At the time, it felt like it cost me everything. And I realized it cost me nothing. Because when you do the right thing, when you open yourself up to God and recognize that all of these things that you think matter are nothing, like there is any eternal source that is going to take care of you when you say the right thing. That is what I felt. And I wanted to cry when especially. He's so genuine. He's like, I'm not a geologist or a geographer. You know, he's like, I. But I'm a guy who has a platform, and I can't look at these images anymore. The reaction to that on X.
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Ian Carroll
You're mentally ill. You're mentally ill. You're evil. And it's all name calling. It's all just names. Names. Right. It's like there's no actual discussion. There's no. There's nothing but name calling. You're evil. Theo.
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Candace Owens
We have that tweet that someone responded to him. I'm just going to read the top of it because it's way too long. But genuine question for you, Theo Vaughan. Have you been formally diagnosed with severe mental illness? You should really get yourself checked out now. Put aside the fact that you traveled to Qatar and took a huge chunk of cash, but they must be really desperate to pick you. What in the glorious F would a geologist know about the conflict? And then just kind of just. You're an idiot. You know, this sort of a thing where they're just stripping him down and being like, you know, nothing. You're an idiot. These are people that we're supposed to be siding with in this conflict who speak like this. Like, what? What a way to get somebody on your side. We all just watched the obons clip and felt that he was struggling with this internally. And what we get in response is, by the way, he's mentally ill. Okay. Add it to the pile. Candace is a. What is it? Cluster B. Psychopath.
- [36:16]
Ian Carroll
Yes.
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Candace Owens
And the Ovan's mentally ill, and Joe Rogan needs an intervention per Sam Harris and. But these guys have got it all figured out.
- [36:24]
Ian Carroll
Yeah. They don't. They don't seem to understand how the Internet works and how young people work, too. It's like, I feel like more and more young people are getting to the point of not liking Israel, where it's like when your kid likes music that you don't want them to listen to, and you start telling them not to listen to it, and then your kid just says, no, stop it, Mom. Because you're just like, what. Why are you explaining. Like, why are you saying it that way? Why are you calling them names? Why are you going after every single person that people like that are just ad hominem attacks. Exactly.
- [36:55]
Candace Owens
And it's so dishonest. And the way that they try to interpret it. And do you think the response to that now, knowing what we know about expressing that and how they try to ruin your life. We could talk about even Ms. Rachel, who. They demanded a. And they. I'm explicitly speaking about these pro Zionist groups demanded that the DOJ investigate her for taking money from Qatar. The new opinion is that if you have a problem seeing a child blown up, if you have a problem with children starving because Israel is not allowing aid to get into that territory, if.
- [37:25]
Ian Carroll
You have a problem 77 days.
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Candace Owens
77 days without aid, a problem with the images of a woman yelling as she wailing as she's holding her child, if you have a problem with tens of thousands of murdered innocents. And by the way, the last time that we had the number check, they were. Because they don't tell you anymore. It's got to be. We. We've got to be close to six figures now, in my opinion. Okay. Because that's how long ago it was at like 50,000. But if you have a problem with any of that, the amount of death, the destruction that's happening, you're being funded by Qatar.
- [37:54]
Ian Carroll
Yeah.
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Candace Owens
They're even handing out names. They're calling him Tucker Carlson. And so I want to be. If this is what we do, we all get Qatar names for having basic, you know, human response to tragedy. I want to be Catandis.
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Ian Carroll
Catandis Owens. You don't want to be Katardis.
- [38:10]
Candace Owens
Katardis. No, they're katad.
- [38:12]
Ian Carroll
They are.
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Candace Owens
By blaming everybody on this. But I want to be Catandis. And you are Ian Katarl.
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Ian Carroll
I'll be in Qatar. Yeah.
- [38:19]
Candace Owens
And I just.
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Ian Carroll
I already am.
- [38:20]
Candace Owens
Really.
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Ian Carroll
So.
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Candace Owens
Right. But this is their argument. You're funded by guitar Dave Smith. Same thing. You're funded by Qatar no evidence, just lies. And it's like if you want people to come over to your side, you have to stop being a liar.
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Ian Carroll
It's, it's always, you are wrong, you are mentally ill. It's never what is Israeli's actions? What, what, what is Israel doing that might cause someone to criticize them? And it's the same thing that I'm talking about with that shooter. Again, it's like, again, horrible tragedy. But is he anti Semitic or. If Israel wasn't bombing children every single day and that whole conflict wasn't happening this way right now, do you think he still would have done that because he hates Jews, or is it because of what we're seeing on the TV that he got radicalized?
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Candace Owens
Right. What about the guy who self immolated, who was in the Navy and said that there were a bunch of things going on, that, that it was intended to be a genocide and his name was Aaron and I'm blanking on his last name. Forgive me, but he set himself on fire self immolated because he said he was trying to draw attention. This was way early on, before people were really tuned in to what I refer to now as a holocaust of what's happening. Gaza is very clearly a holocaust. And do you think that he, what he just wanted in there? Oh, well, he was, you know, he's mentally ill because he set himself on self on fire is what they say. And people are having a reaction. Never justifies violence. What happened is a tragedy. You should never think that your solution to that should be, well, I'm going to go take other innocent life because I'm upset about what's happening, that's just wrong. But to you, to pretend that people that are having a normal human response to what's happening or try to now censor speech and they're trying to criminalize people that are saying free Palestine or are speaking about Gaza now you all have blood on your hands. No, no, no, no, no. Even Netanyahu has blood on your hands. And this only underscores how little you value Palestinian life, that it takes two Israeli citizens being killed for you to have this reaction when you're basically punishing us and calling for us to be canceled and banned, all of these things. We're having a human response to tens of thousands innocent women and children being slaughtered in a territory next to Israel.
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Ian Carroll
Yeah.
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Candace Owens
Or a part of Israel, rather, an apartheid state, you know, whatever you want to call it. And, and so, yeah, it's, it's, it's really disappointing to just kind of See this happen over and over again.
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Ian Carroll
Now, some people, it's really educational. If you want to learn how propaganda works, how the Hasbara works, how the mind control works, all you need to do is study the Israel Palestine conflict. Because Israel has been waging a information war on the American people all along, and they still do today. And they're. Every day you can log in and watch their tactics and see how they try to do this. And it doesn't really work. But if you study it, you can then see it in other realms as well, because that's the only weapon they have. When this is the reality of how many killed kids are being killed on this side versus the other side.
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Candace Owens
Right. And it's funny you mentioned them waging an information war because we've showed on the show many times the clips of the eventual Prime Minister of Israel. When Wikipedia first got started, speaking about how they had employed this whole team to write, you know, and they also had the same thing for X. They have all these IDF soldiers that are writing responses and controlling body counts. That footage exists that none of that is a conspiracy theory. You can look that up. You can. On my past episodes where I showed it, but I also messaged you. They disappeared this article, which was super weird. We got to get into your Kabbalah bracelet too.
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Ian Carroll
Oh yeah, the 4chan thing.
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Candace Owens
The 4chan thing? Yeah. How weird was that? I sent it to you. So Reuters published a piece, notorious Internet message board 4chan has been hacked, the Post claims, and they were alleging that the. Basically Israel was revealed as the top contributor since 2014 on 4chan with 221 million posts onto 4chan in a major data breach. And then Reuters disappeared the article. I've never seen that happen. Usually a correction, something. Reuters disappeared this article entirely. This was very recent. And 4chan came up because apparently there was a thread that was started about you wearing this Kabbalah bracelet. So let's show Ian on my show a couple of weeks ago, wearing a Kabbalah bracelet and suddenly this caused a firestorm. So would you like to explain whether or not you are a Mossad operative or a cabalist?
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Ian Carroll
Whatever. The thing is, I had to take a break from the show to fly back to talk to my handlers for a little bit. Because the bracelet obviously was too overt. No, my. My girlfriend gave it to me. I explained it on X. I was under the impression because I knew a little bit about the Kabbalah bracelets. I was under the impression that it's a red string. I thought people freaked out about Tucker when he wore a red string. She's like, you know what? Have your opinion of Tucker Carlson. Whatever you want to do. Whatever floats your boat. So when I got this red bracelet, I was like, huh, this looks a lot like the red string kabbalah bracelet things.
- [43:09]
Candace Owens
But look who's writing this. Like, Mr. Nobody.
- [43:11]
Ian Carroll
Exactly.
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Candace Owens
Random account. Go ahead.
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Ian Carroll
Well, and then here's the thing is, like, regardless of what bracelets people wear, it's like, if that's your standard of evidence, bro, like, how can I trust anything you're coming up with? Because I know my own history and I know, like, I know what is going on in my life. And so if that's the standard of evidence, it's like, dude, like, maybe, like, maybe the red shoe club is real. Maybe they're sending signs and doing like, hand signals and stuff. But I'm like, can you trust that every time? Because so for me, it's like it blows up in this whole big thing online, which was kind of wild. It's like, whoa, guys, calm down.
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Candace Owens
It was mostly on X is what I noticed. It was all on X. And I know that they're running tons of bot farms on X. I never take it seriously. It was coming from X and I'm getting tagged on x. And then 4chan and I knew about this disappearance of this 4chan article, and I thought it was very weird. There were obviously people that then believe.
- [43:59]
Ian Carroll
Yeah.
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Candace Owens
And start to read into it. But I do want to say this. I have been through so many of those scandals, and so I felt really bad for you. We used to literally have my producer, no matter what I wore, she'd be like, you know, what's that symbol? I'm like, what do you mean, what's. I got this from Zara. And she's like, okay, but like, we should look it up to make sure it doesn't mean something. Because a couple of times, first and foremost, when I think I do this. Oh, my gosh. So there was a photo. No, I didn't know that. Whatever the.
- [44:24]
Ian Carroll
No, I stifle my hands.
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Candace Owens
Yes. Because you don't know what to do with your hands. Like, Talladega nights made that clear. Sometimes you don't know what to do with your hands. And when I think I do this. And so there was an image of me mid thought that they then were like, candace is in the Illuminati. I'm like, what? I was literally, you can see, prepping for my show, and they caught a photo of me. And I always do this. It's a bad habit. Maybe I should stop doing it. When I'm thinking now, I kind of try to do this.
- [44:45]
Ian Carroll
Or was that tactile? Actually helps you think. There's studies that show that using your hands helps you think.
- [44:49]
Candace Owens
I always do it. And I'm like, okay, what was I thinking? What was I thinking? And then I went to New York during COVID and wanted to brag about the fact that I had gotten around their Covid restrictions. I didn't get vaccinated and had managed to get myself a slice of pizza. Made the mistake of posting the box of pizza in a car, and next thing I knew, I was at the center of Pizzagate. And they were like, why would she post this? And even if she's not, blah, blah, blah, then she should be more responsible with her platform. And what I've grown to first and foremost appreciate, because it's not like we're. I don't mean to say, oh, my God, you guys are so crazy. You're too terminally on the Internet. Thing is, is that they don't realize that some people really are green. What I mean is that they're new to this thing. They don't know all of the hand gestures, all the signs, all the conspiracy theories. And I found myself feeling like I was being drowned. The bigger. My platform was like, my. My platform is kind of very quickly, kind of like yours. Like you said, you know, suddenly you're making videos, and then more and more people are watching them. They think that you know all this stuff and you really don't know what everything means. And you take this bracelet from your girlfriend's dad, and he's like, I'm watching you.
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Ian Carroll
The Irish Catholics, by the way, like, they had traveled to Greece and when she was younger, she had like, gotten this one of these types of bracelets in Greece because it is. It's an evil eye bracelet in Greece, I believe.
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Candace Owens
Yeah, she didn't.
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Ian Carroll
She does not know that. But so she. It's like a cutesy thing for her. And her dad, when he travels, he gets them for her, but they're Irish Catholics. And so he makes an, you know, kind of an awkward dad joke about it. But I'm like, whatever, bro. Cool. Like, sure. Bracelet.
- [46:13]
Candace Owens
Yeah. It's just interesting.
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Ian Carroll
Internet, dude. Guys, calm down. Because if you think that Candace Owens's show is being run by the Kabbalah, if you think that. That the Jews want you talking about the fact that Emmanuel Macron has been groomed in this way that he has. Right? Like, if you think that the things that I talk about on my show, like my multi hour long podcast about the dancing Israelis and about Jeffrey Epstein and about, you know, the Israeli mafia. If you think that all of that is what they want us talking about, then I am really worried.
- [46:43]
Candace Owens
Yeah.
- [46:43]
Ian Carroll
About what we're not supposed to talk about.
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Candace Owens
Yeah. And but when we talk about these information wars, like it, you also have to be aware when you are being infiltrated, whether Trump, they kind of want to make you distrust people all the time. And you. Yeah. COINTELPRO101. And you have to take people, look at our work, you know, look at our, look at what I'm doing in book club, what books we're reading, the fact that I'm even speaking about the Kabbalah, our next book that we have coming up. And so I just wanted to give you the opportunity. I was like, those things you have to address head on. And you have to do it without trying to condemn people who may just have been in this thing a lot longer. And many of them have been.
- [47:13]
Ian Carroll
It's important that people think for themselves. Like they, you know, no one should trust me for what I say, like you should. Everyone should think for themselves and look at the source that I present and think, think critically. Right. And you should never put someone on a screen up on some pedestal. Because even if I, like, maybe I'm controlled by Qatar, maybe I'm just dumb and get things wrong. Everything in between. Right. And so the, the like the thing about cointelpro is it's very effective because it works. There's no way when you start sewing division, so this started in like the Black Panther movement and, and the 60s civil rights era. And when you start sewing division among the ranks and throwing mud on everybody, there's really no answer except to suspect everybody. But in the digital age, you don't really have to trust anybody. You can just trust information. You can just trust yourself. Research and yeah, just do your own research and, and don't really trust anyone. Right. And then people will expose themselves when they start shilling a narrative. You can kind of be like, that's kind of weird and maybe they're wrong and they'll get corrected and learn or maybe they're, you know. James Lindsay, here's what I would say.
- [48:15]
Candace Owens
I'm kidding, I'm not kidding. But I will say this. I think we should be highly suspicious of people that are pushing the guitar talking point because we're literally not funded by guitar and they're all pushing the guitar talking point. And so I mark all those people in my mind where I'm like, okay, you are definitely a show because you can't just say something with absolutely zero evidence. You can't just say, this person, like, thinks it's bad to kill gods and children so they're funded by guitar. That's, that's completely nutty and crazy. And it's meant to sow distrust. And so I don't trust those people at all.
- [48:44]
Ian Carroll
I mean, I've learned a lot from that because I. And when I was less careful about the accusations I throw around earlier on in my game here, and through having those accusations thrown at me and knowing very clearly they're not true, that then I realized, like, oh, you should be very careful when you throw accusations at someone without proof because you undermine all your credibility when you do that. And if you don't have proof, you're just going way out on a limb, ready to drown yourself.
- [49:08]
Candace Owens
Yeah, absolutely.
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Ian Carroll
Yeah.
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Candace Owens
Well, I want to get to people's comments because I know that they have a ton of them. First, I do want to throw it to a couple of our sponsors, Tax Network usa. I've told you guys about them. Tax day may have passed, but for millions of Americans, the real trouble is just beginning. You know that if you missed the April 15 deadline or you still owe back taxes, the IRS is going to ramp up their efforts to enforce. Every day you wait, it only makes things worse. With over 5,000 new tax liens filed daily and tools like property seizures, bank levies, and wage garnishments, the IRS is applying pressure at levels that we haven't seen in years. There's increased administrative scrutiny, which means collections are moving fast. The good news? There's still time for Tax Network USA to help you. Self employed or a business owner. Doesn't matter if, even if your books are a mess, they have got you covered. Tax Network USA specializes in cleaning up financial chaos and getting you back on track fast. Even after the deadline, it's not too late. You can regain control. Your consultation is completely free. And acting now could stop penalties, threatening letters, and surprise level levies before they escalate. So just call 1-800-958-1000 or visit tnusa.com Candace may have missed April 15, but you have not run out of options. Let Tax Network USA help before the IRS makes the next move. Call 1-800-958-1000 or visit tnusa.com candace Also, American financing inflation is eating away at everything. Gas, groceries, home repairs. And if you're a homeowner, you probably thought, should I call American Financing to refinance and pay off this credit card debt? Then you probably second guess yourself because of that low mortgage rate that you're currently enjoying. Well, that low rate is not saving you if you're drowning in credit card interest at 25% or more. That's the math that no one wants to face, but it is actually costing you thousands. So here's the truth. If you're only making minimum payments, that debt will follow you for years. That's why people are calling American Financing because they're saving customers an average of 800amonth by using their equity to finally break free from credit card debt. You owe it to your family to see what's possible. There's no upfront fees, no pressure. It costs you nothing to find out what you could be saving every month. And if you start today, you may be able to delay two mortgage payments. So call American Financing today, 800-795-1210. Again, that's 800-795-1210 or visit American Financing.net Owens. That's American Financing.net Owens. Skyler, do you have that clip, by the way, that I love, of Tim Dillon where there will be signs about guitar? Because that just needs to be played. Yeah, pull that up while we're, while we're starting with some of these comments. We've got 40,000 people watching live. Hello, people. We love to have you here. Okay, what do I have for comments? First and foremost, I want to remind you guys, the Harvey interview, if you have not yet watched it, we have now set it for pay per view on our website. So I know that some people were like, I can't afford to completely sign up for the Candace Owens club altogether. Well, we decided to set that interview at pay per view, so you can now watch that for just $4.99. Go to Candace Owens dot com. It's crazy. It really is crazy. It caused quite the stir and I. I was really honored to be able to have that conversation and to see the end of the Me Too movement. Okay, this person hereby Janaya writes, they have been watching Diddy since Jonathan Odie had that interview. Cassie was the conduit to getting him. What does that mean?
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Ian Carroll
Oh, that. It's actually, it's a. It's a setup that they were ready to cut him loose all along is the theory there. Jonathan Odie was like, it's did. He's drawn too much attention. This is going to be a problem. We got to find a way to cut him loose. And then finally they use Cassie to cut him loose. I think is the theory there.
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Candace Owens
Interesting.
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Ian Carroll
And I, you know, I'm up for the idea that. That Diddy was intentionally cut loose. I'm. I'm open to hearing the idea that this is somewhat calculated of trying to get him to go down. Yeah.
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Candace Owens
But the thing is, is Diddy, if. If what Little Rod says is true and he, unbeknownst to the execs at Universal, allegedly was filming them in compromising positions, particularly, he implied pretty heavily that he had Lucy and Grange on tape because he didn't know that Diddy had some cameras in his room when they went in and did whatever they did. Allegedly. I just. Wouldn't they be somewhat fearful of Diddy all the show trial? They're just going to like fly him to Cuba to live with Tupac for the rest of his life.
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Ian Carroll
I mean, assuming he's alive.
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Candace Owens
Allegedly.
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Ian Carroll
My theory. This is just a theory. Just for funsies. Right. Is the Little Rod lawsuit feels different. Right. Cassie's lawsuit feels like what this was supposed to be.
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Candace Owens
Interesting.
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Ian Carroll
And the whole court trial is all about Cassie's lawsuit, not about Little Rods. And they're ignoring Little Rod's lawsuit in basically every way they can. I wonder, just asking questions, if Lil Rod didn't just accidentally happen to file his lawsuit of his own volition in the way of their plan and mess everything up a little bit.
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Candace Owens
He did, because he's the one that's in hiding.
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Ian Carroll
Exactly.
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Candace Owens
And Cassie's just walking around like, Cassie.
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Ian Carroll
Somehow is the woman that's like, been this abused and this beaten and then somehow gets the gumption to come out and drop this lawsuit and then they don't settle it immediately. Like, it's just. It's just weird. It's weird. And then the whole trial is based on her lawsuit and everything is based on her lawsuit, even though the other one clearly has more RICO style shit in it and they're charging him for rico. And so it's weird that the RICO investigation doesn't involve any of the most salacious RICO stuff. So I wonder if Lil Rod isn't a problem.
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Candace Owens
I can't believe you're just asking questions. Yeah, that's crazy.
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Ian Carroll
Well, it's pretty anti Semitic for asking questions.
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Candace Owens
To ask questions. As I've learned that on I am.
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Ian Carroll
Wearing my Epstein shirts.
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Candace Owens
Yeah, that's gonna be the next Standis cup we sell. Just gonna say just asking questions. So we gotta drop that one. Okay. First and foremost, I got to show you this video of Tim Dillon this is my permanent 2025 mood. There will be signs. When and if me and Ian Carroll are fronted by Qatar, there will be signs. Take a listen to Tim Dillon. Explain that. No, I have no audio. No worries. We'll try that again in a second. Natalie writes. Really enjoyed watching you to walk the dog on your logic regarding Cassie and whether you view her in a more positive light or not. Fun to see the back and forth and opin and then both agree. Yeah, you know, I just didn't know how I felt about it. And sometimes you kind of have to speak to somebody else, kind of get through it. And I was just thinking about the other victims and how they would feel about her kind of being portrayed as a hero, even though she did some bad stuff and. But I then was like, she's so young and she was on drugs and. Yeah, think and have conversations while you still can. I think it's so annoying when people pretend to know everything and they're, it's, this is the bad guy, this is the good guy. Things tend to be a little bit more complex than that. So I think that's one of the.
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Ian Carroll
Coolest things about this industry, too, is that you're around like. Like people that watch this kind of stuff, people that do this kind of work. They're people that are thinking carefully about what's going on. And so it's so fun to have conversations about things you.
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Candace Owens
We.
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Ian Carroll
You haven't really decided yet because often you're going to get a really intelligent response from someone like you who's done all this research but has a different opinion than me. That's why I think that's why podcasts are cool, is because you get to learn from a lot of different people.
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Candace Owens
Without being so authoritative. Like, this is the perspective that you must agree with back at home, because we know everything and we are the experts that need to be trusted. Okay, he now says he has the Tim Dillon clip ready. I don't know if I can trust you, Skyler, but go ahead and play it.
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D
Press just put out an article how Qatar bought America.
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Ian Carroll
If that were true, there would be signs. That's completely untrue. I have not been bought.
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D
Does this look like a man who's been bought by Qatar?
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Candace Owens
It's a dance for me.
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Ian Carroll
And of course, he chooses the communist. Anyone that has accused me, oh, my God.
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D
Getting money or becoming some type of Emirati or Qatari.
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Candace Owens
I'm the same person always been.
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D
I happen to like gold. Sue me.
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Ian Carroll
Sue me.
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D
Literally sue me.
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Ian Carroll
I'm just imagining the conversation of like, hey, I want to get this outfit. Okay? I want this outfit.
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Candace Owens
Right. I know. Could you imagine working for him? That's so great. I love that. There will be signs. We will have live tigers and I will just tell you, I am funded. Sue me. I like gold. Sue me. I like gold. It is ridiculous. These people should be laughed at. And all of these people, of course. Barry Weiss is the one that writes the article How Qatar Bought America. No proof needed, guys. There's no proof. Everyone's funded by Qatar. That disagrees with me. Okay. Abigail Boa writes, Theo Vaughn started out knowing nothing, listened to both sides and made a choice. I started saying, I don't know enough to have an opinion. Once you do have enough info, the option is clear. The intent was always genocide.
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Ian Carroll
Yep. The intent was always genocide.
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Candace Owens
Yeah.
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Ian Carroll
Hence why they propped up Hamas. Hence why they pulled forces off the border beforehand. Hence why they ignored the reports that said that Hamas was preparing for a major offensive. It all points to one thing.
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Candace Owens
And look, now they're trying because they've lost the thread here in America in terms of Israel's support. And I think that we have that Glenn Greenwald tweet, which was. He retweeted somebody speaking about that drop in Israeli and support for Israel in America. That's why they are now pushing speech laws. They're trying to manufacture support, which is insane. And of course that's going to backfire. Glenn Greenwald tweeted, the collapse in support for Israel among Americans is substantial and steep. 50% of Republicans under 50 have an unfavorable view of Israel. And 53% of Americans overall. The only pro Israel group left is older Republicans. It's happening globally and it won't be repaired. And what are they doing trying to repair it? Trying to What? Mine these two diplomats being shot and demanding more censorship on YouTube. They're. They're blaming Hassan Piker, I think.
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Ian Carroll
Yeah.
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Candace Owens
Do you have the clip, Skyler, did you pull, by the way? The ADL instantly jumps on this dangerous gamer. Yeah. This dangerous gamer is somehow to blame. He wasn't there. You do have it. Let's play that clip of. Of what? This is the CEO of the adl. Head of the adl.
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Ian Carroll
Yeah, Jonathan Greenblatt.
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Candace Owens
Whatever. He's. He's very scummy. Take a listen.
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Ian Carroll
People who spout prejudice should not be platformed.
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Candace Owens
It's unbelievable.
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Ian Carroll
Wow.
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Candace Owens
Yeah.
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Ian Carroll
Geez. The self awareness on that one is.
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Candace Owens
But this is. They're desperate. And don't forget he was caught on the hot mic Demanding that the TikTok, Tiktokers. We have a generational problem. We've got to get TikTok under control. And they certainly did get TikTok under control. You cannot speak badly about the Israeli government on Tik Tok and, and now here we are. And so he's basically saying we need more censorship. And he thinks that that's going to work, like the youth is going to follow them. And that's why I say it's incumbent upon people to make sure your children like you guys. Now we've got the youth generation telling the truth and being aware of this, make sure your, your children, when they come up that they are aware of this, that how manipulated, how manipulated the information war is that they're aware of the ADL saying we have to get control of the Internet. I've noticed changes on X ever since Elon paid a visit to Poland. And suddenly the X is. There's so many obvious bot accounts that we were speaking about earlier. I'm just very tired of this and I don't think this is how they're going to win. I think we have God on our side, we have heart on our, our side and we have truth on our side. And I don't see how lies, manipulation and cause for censorship can possibly win in the end.
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Ian Carroll
No, in the open Internet the like this is the scary dynamic is that in the open Internet, censorship just exposes itself and there's no there, there's no censorship response that is going to work. And I think they're learning that in real time. And it, I, I sort of get worried because you have to go full censorship. You have to shut things down. You have to do something way more extreme to get censorship to work or have some sort of serious calamity like a, like a large attack or a large tragedy. Like October 7th brought a lot of people together all at once around a lot of, I mean, around a tragedy, but also a tragedy dressed up in other lies. And so I worry that that is starting to be the only avenue available to like the BB Netanyahu camp in this world. In order to keep this straight going.
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Candace Owens
They want like a big event because they know when there's chaos, when there's chaos and there's emotion, you can seize a lot of power. And I think that that's what they need because when people don't have that and they're able to think rationally, it's very clear that something very wrong is happening in Gaza. Skyler, what did you say to me in my ear. Oh, guys, we. We are on a baby alert here, so we're going to have to wrap the show because I have got to go feed my son. And so if you want to take this away, Ian, and you can wrap the show on this la. Actually, this is a perfect last comment. Divine Council writes congrats to you and your family, Ms. Candace. Hey, if you want to follow a lead to solid proof about the hip hop drug trafficking theory, look into Juice World's death. Love you. Praying, inspired by you, Ian. Any last thoughts before I go feed the infant?
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Ian Carroll
No, I'm gonna go look into Juice World's death.
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Candace Owens
Okay.
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Ian Carroll
Solid comment. Yeah.
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Candace Owens
You guys, thank you so much for joining. I will be back on maternity leave for the next two weeks. Ian will continue taking over the show. I hope we've cleared up everything regarding Cabala Gates and that he's been doing a tremendous job. You guys have absolutely loved him. So we're really kind of responding to, like, bots and people who maybe got mixed up and was something legit there. But really appreciate you guys allowing me to enjoy this time with my family and I'll see you in two weeks.