Podcast Summary: Candace – "TPUSA RESPONDS: Yes, The Text Messages Are Real."

Host: Candace Owens
Episode: 249
Date: October 7, 2025

Overview

Candace Owens delivers an unfiltered solo episode following a week of explosive revelations around the late Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA (TPUSA), and the controversy over leaked text messages regarding Charlie’s changing stance on Israel. Candace walks listeners through her rationale for releasing the messages, how the internet reacted, TPUSA’s official response, and emotional support from a key donor. She also revisits major conspiracy points around Kirk’s assassination and the ongoing investigations, emphasizing the unresolved and suspicious elements at play.

Main Themes & Purpose

• Validation of Leaked Text Messages: Addressing skepticism about the messages’ authenticity and their implications for the narrative surrounding Charlie Kirk's death and TPUSA.
• Turning Point USA's Official Response: Reviewing TPUSA spokesperson Andrew Colvett’s public confirmation and discussion of the messages.
• Suspicion and Allegations: Presenting Owens’s view that the official story of Kirk’s assassination is incomplete and possibly a cover-up involving government, foreign actors, and TPUSA insiders.
• Community and Donor Support: Reading a powerful open letter from TPUSA donors John and Irina Mappin, which echoes Owens’s demand for transparency and truth.
• Owens’s Personal Reflections: Candace opens up about grief, intuition, and her role in seeking truth amid public criticism and personal risk.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Social Media Firestorm and the Text Message Leak

(00:00–13:40)

• Candace describes social media’s reaction to her release of Kirk’s group texts, highlighting disbelief, mockery, and accusations that the messages were fake.
• “These people were desperate for it not to be real because they've been lying so hard about everything. ... Reality hit them pretty quickly this morning when Andrew Colvett, Turning Point's spokesperson, confirmed that the messages were in fact real.” — Candace Owens [13:40]

Notable Quotes:

• “It was hilarious. ... The tears that were being shed all over the place.” — Candace Owens [00:50]
• “If you thought you could [succeed Charlie Kirk], you clearly did not know Charlie Kirk.” — Candace Owens [02:05]
• “Charlie was betrayed. I know this.” — Candace Owens [02:58]
• “Quote me on that. Women tend to have a stronger intuition about people...” — Candace Owens [03:56]

2. Intuition, Dreams, and the Power of Perception

(02:30–06:30)

• Candace shares vivid dreams she believes are spiritually significant—one confirming a pregnancy, the other signaling Kirk’s betrayal.
• Audio clips between Conrad Flynn and Tucker Carlson discuss trusting wives’ intuition about people (voicing historical, biblical parallels).

Notable Quotes:

• “I believe people can communicate in dreams on their way in and on their way out of this world.” — Candace Owens [03:47]

3. TPUSA’s Andrew Colvett Confirms Authenticity

(14:16–17:45)

• Colvett acknowledges the group text is real and explains his reasons for not publicizing it earlier, citing privacy, investigation integrity, and his obligation as a spokesperson.
• Admits the texts align with frustrations Kirk shared privately about his stance on Israel.

Notable Quotes:

• “So it, it is authentic. ... I wanted to not betray my friend's trust in that way, but I did share it with some people in government...” — Andrew Colvett [14:25]
• “Charlie was adamantly free speech. ... That text chain is consistent with public frustrations that he voiced many times.” — Andrew Colvett [16:17]

4. Candace's Critique of TPUSA and Ongoing Investigation

(17:45–24:10)

• Owens feels some TPUSA executives are more interested in impugning truth-seekers than pursuing transparency. She singles out Tyler Boyer and Alex Clark for particular criticism.
• Asserts, based on multiple off-record sources, that Kirk warned people the day before his death: “I think they're going to kill me.”

Notable Quotes:

• “Three people told me off record ... the very day before Charlie Kirk died, he expressed that he thought he was going to be killed.” — Candace Owens [20:59]

5. Broader Conspiracies and Misdirection

(28:30–38:25)

• Suggests the initial narrative, suspects, and official investigation are a smokescreen.
• Details theories about multiple decoys, possible federal involvement, and unexplained government actions around the crime scene and key individuals (e.g., Lance Twigs, George Zinn).
• Shares a tip: George Zinn claimed he was paid or would be paid for “confessing.”

Notable Quotes:

• “I actually believe that this was a military hit that involved foreign actors and also literal actors ... I believe that that day ran something akin to JFK’s assassination.” — Candace Owens [32:01]

6. Donor Community Response—Letter from John & Irina Mappin

(~44:15)

• Candace reads an open letter from two major TPUSA donors, John and Irina Mappin, affirming her pursuit of truth and excoriating attempts to suppress honest investigation.
• The letter stresses that Kirk would have demanded a rigorous search for truth if Candace had been the one killed.

Notable Letter Excerpts:

• “Charlie Kirk built Turning Point USA on transparency, free speech, and a relentless pursuit of truth. We are witness to that. If Candace Owens had been assassinated, Charlie would have torn apart every lie and devoted every working day and night to uncovering the full truth.” — John & Irina Mappin [Approx. 45:00]

• “Justice needs not just to be done. It needs to be seen to be done justly.” — John & Irina Mappin

• Candace responds emotionally, stating: “I really needed it. ... In those two weeks following, was any of it real?” [End of letter reading]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (With Timestamps)

• [02:58] “Charlie was betrayed. I know this. I've known this really since the first second.”
• [13:40] “Reality hit them pretty quickly this morning when Andrew Colvett ... confirmed that the messages were in fact real.”
• [14:25] “It is authentic. ... I did share it with some people in government ... We wanted no stone unturned…” — Andrew Colvett
• [17:45] “You can tell he's anxious ... but he is telling the truth.” — Candace Owens (about Colvett)
• [20:59] “Three people told me ... the very day before Charlie Kirk died, he expressed that he thought he was going to be killed.”
• [24:10] “Filth, okay? Absolute filth. ... There was no truth in Josh Hammer.”
• [32:01] “I actually believe that this was a military hit that involved foreign actors and also literal actors ... akin to JFK’s assassination.”
• [~45:00] “If Candace Owens had been assassinated, Charlie would have torn apart every lie...” — John & Irina Mappin (read by Candace)
• [After reading the letter] “I really needed it. ... In those two weeks following, was any of it real?” — Candace Owens

Listener Questions and Community Remarks

(After 1:50:00)

• Candace fields supportive messages and questions about the investigation, noting the palpable anguish and support from her listeners.
• Repeats her call for bravery and honesty, credits the Orthodox and Catholic Christian communities for their prayers.

Sample Community Comments:

• “You are literally my spirit animal and have given me the motivation to push forward on my dream. Charlie is so proud of you.” — Boredom took over
• “Justice needs not just to be done. It needs to be seen to be done justly.” — John & Irina Mappin

Investigation Status and Ongoing Revelations

• Candace hints at further forthcoming evidence and revelations, particularly around the behavior of key individuals (Tyler Robinson, Lance Twigs, “decoy” suspects).
• Asserts the presence of an “underground movement of truth tellers”—government insiders, donors, sleuths—pressing for justice.

Tone and Language

The tone is defiant, emotive, and conspiratorial. Candace oscillates between mockery of detractors, grief for her friend, outrage at perceived injustice, and gratitude toward supporters.

She remains unapologetically blunt and deeply personal, bolstering her credibility with vivid anecdotes, biblical allusions, and appeals to intuition and faith.

Summary Table of Important Segments

| Timestamp | Topic | Notable Quotes/Events | |--------------|--------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00–06:30 | Text message leak and reactions | “Charlie was betrayed. I know this.” | | 13:40–17:45 | TPUSA response via Andrew Colvett | “It is authentic.” | | 20:59 | Kirk anticipated own death | “He thought he was going to be killed.” | | 24:10 | Critique of Josh Hammer | “Filth, okay? Absolute filth.” | | 28:30–38:25 | Alternative theories, decoys, cover-ups | “I believe this was a military hit ... JFK’s assassination.”| | ~44:15–end | Community/donor support, reading of letter | Emotional letter from John & Irina Mappin |

Conclusion

This episode marks a critical turning point in Candace Owens’s campaign to uncover what she and many of her listeners believe to be a cover-up in the murder of Charlie Kirk. The official confirmation of the text message’s authenticity forces a reassessment of mainstream narratives and strengthens Owens and her supporters’ conviction in their alternative investigation. Fueled by emotional support from the donor base and a groundswell of grassroots backing, Candace asserts her intention to continue challenging TPUSA leadership, the authorities, and detractors—vowing to seek the truth, no matter where it leads.