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All right, you guys, happy Monday. Update for you. Erica Kirk did not, in fact, go home. I just have to say, no one bounces back faster from shootings than Erica Kirk. She really is remarkable in that way this time. After saying she wanted to go home, us enduring a lecture about how she needed to go home to her family, she bounced over to Michigan to address the graduating class of Hillsdale College in a commencement speech. It's just. It's all over the place. The messaging, right? She's too scared. Scared to get on a plane by herself. Secret Service can't protect her. Oh, now she doesn't have Secret Service and she's back on stage at a school. Nonetheless, I don't know what to think, guys. What you should know is she was awarded an honor. Honorary doctorate. The Internet has a lot to say about that. Also, we got to discuss this Charlie GPT thing that we have been hinting at because it's looking like there may be more legs to the story thanks to a source which came forward. You know that infamous recording of Charlie saying, I appoint Erica Kirk. We're going to discuss that. And lastly, Nick Shirley. Do you remember him? We mentioned him one time on this show. Well, he went on to Patrick Bet David's show and said that I came for him. It's feeling a little over the top, dramatic, but I'd like to actually address what his general presence in the media space signifies more broadly speaking, because it is important. Welcome back to Candace. First and foremost, happy belated Mother's Day. To all of the mothers out there, I hope you enjoyed special treatment. I know Andrew Colvett had a bit of a day. Bizarre trend over on X. So it looks like Project Constitution reported that Andrew Colvette was getting a divorce and it was just not true. The basis of the report was not true, but boy, oh, boy, did all of Turning Point USA rise up to defend Andrew Colvette's honor. I mean, Andrew himself hit back hard. Immediately. He basically turned into Will Smith at the Oscars. He wrote this. Lol. You wish, fat boy. And then he says, keep my wife's name out of your mouth and off your feed and you'll have more Prob. Or you'll have more problems than you bargained for. To everyone else, happy Mother's Day. And yeah, we can pull that clip in because it was definitely giving that energy of Will Smith. If you want to play that clip, keep my wife's name out your mouth. Yeah, that was, that was the energy of that. And then it wasn't, it couldn't, it wasn't left there. Tyler Boyer then jumped in into the parade to further defend Andrew's honor over a divorce rumor. I'm like, this is just like, I wake up and there are rumors about me getting a divorce. But Tyler Boyer said, we have had numerous things like this said about us. It is reckless disregard for truth from people who call themselves investigators. Okay. Never one to be left behind. Blakey Neff jumped in. He wrote back to Project Constitution, you are not very smart, are you? And then when somebody asked a question about why Andrew's wife was not at the White House Correspondents dinner, Blake Neff insisted he wrote back again. This is just all Blake Neff wrote. Instead of posting deranged rumor mongering at 7am on a Sunday morning, have you considered that you could look this up or use your brain? White House correspondents dinners are all held by press outlets. Everyone else is there by invitation. How'd you even know he was offered a plus one? And Andrew lives in Phoenix and has three children. How do you know his wife would want to fly five hours across the country to attend one dinner? Okay. So strong. I, I, by the way, I've never heard that Andrew Colvett is divorcing his wife. Uh, like I said, bit of an aggressive response for a divorce rumor, which I, I literally think this happens like once a week when you're in the public space. Me, regarding that, I'm just forever amazed at what Turning Point USA and their execs choose to respond to and the more important things that they remain mum on. Okay. Like I said, apparently it was Project Constitution who sourced this rumor and they were happy to respond to it. Which means that they do not view him as a psychopathic knife wielding subway killer. So they responded right. Because it has been according to our count, and I now have, I'm keeping the count here on our desk. 39 long days since we reported that donors who were present in Aspen assert that the audio, which was shared by Turning Point USA of Charlie saying, I appoint my wife to run Turning Point usa. If something happens to me, she'll do a great job, was faked. This is what they are saying. I'm Reporting that they. They are saying that that was faked. It never happened. Charlie never said that. And Turning Point, for some reason is refusing to drop the video of that moment saying this, of Charlie saying this. They're also refusing to even respond authoritatively. They could simply respond and assert that it absolutely was not faked and that the donors are lying. Their donors are lying. Big donors are lying. That feels a little bit suspicious to me. In fact, Blake has specifically expressed concern. You will recall that if they do drop it, people will say it's A.I. wow. That's an oddly specific concern that you have about dropping this video. And I got to tell you, the more I listen to it, the more AI it sounds to me. Take a listen.
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A lot of organizations and groups, as soon as a founder leaves, it just kind of collapses. A lot of my job is not always in the day to day details. It's very much vision casting, very much driving success. But we have a great board and God forbid, if something happens, they'll figure it out. I appoint my wife to run 20 USA. If something happens to me, Erica would do a great job. I appoint my wife to run Turning Point usa. If something happens to me, Erica would do a great job. I appoint my wife to run Turning Point usa. If something happens to me, Erica would do a great job.
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It just doesn't flow when you hear it. And it's also remarkably formal. I appoint my wife if anything should happen to me. It's like exactly the sentence that he needed to say. He said, not just like, oh, Erica can do it. Yeah, I mean, she'd be great at that, whatever. Hopefully we don't have to think about that question until down the line. But it. I appoint my wife to run Turning Point USA in the event that anything happens to me. We would like a response on this. Are the donors lying? It's a possibility that for some reason the donors are conspiring to lie about this moment. A simple yes or no would do as a starting place, right? I think that would do just as a starting place. Yes, they are lying. No, they are not lying. And the video, which I would like to point out, Turning Point USA mentioned this video to us. Erica herself told Megyn Kelly an emotional story about what she felt like watching that video for the first time. The video of Charlie choosing her, violating suddenly his every public statement and sentiment that he had ever expressed in the past about women working complete 180 from his prior positions. Please just drop the video. It's all we ask. And we're asking politely by the Way. And now we've learned even more interesting information because it turns out we can now definitively state that Turning Point does use AI voices for their presentations. You will recall in Aspen, Charlie was presenting to donors. And it turns out that Marcus Wada, we introduced you this guy, this is. This is a Turning Point employee. That's a rehabilitated former arms dealer. Okay? A former arms dealer who now works for Turning Point. This is a thing. A lot of them become pastors. They find God and they find Turning Point, like, at almost the same time. And Marcus Wada, one of the things that he offers is that he is able to create these AI voices for them to use for their presentations. So AI technology is what they currently use to voice over their Turning Point presentations. And typically, I am told, they use the voice of power, Pastor John Amon Chukwu. So if you're at a Turning Point event and you're hearing a presentation, you hear a guy speaking over, you're actually hearing Pastor John is not actually recording that. They're manipulating his voice, I'm sure with his permission to speak over in the presentations, they basically take someone's voice and turn it into a narrator. And that is, by the way, unique. So it is an entirely reasonable question to ask. Was the same thing done for Charlie posthumously? And I want to tell you, the reason why we are going to continue to ask this question and why I'm keeping this on our desk now is because it's crucial. It's actually a crucial question. I'm starting to already see the creep of people who are trying to downplay the significance of that moment. Right? People pivoting too well, even if it is AI, why does it matter? I saw this. This is just one example of it. But John Mappin, who is the person who introduced Charlie to actually his biggest donor, Charlie's biggest donor was introduced to him by John Mappin, a donor so big that that donor was first in line on a list of donors who received personal phone calls from the hospital the day that Charlie died. And John Mappin was similarly told, he shared this on X, that a donor who was at that Aspen event said, it never happened. Okay? It never happened. So this is going around. And when John Mappin shared that information, he was met with a response from Kimberly Klasek. She wrote this question. If the board elected Erica Kirk to be the CEO and none of the donors have come forward questioning the decision, why does it matter? The donors that contacted you are more than capable of contacting Blake. She continued, okay, so I can answer That I can answer why it matters. It matters because if it was in fact an AI audio and Erica was referring to an AI video clip, which they, in the end, decided not to use, this would tell us exactly who and what Erica Kirk is. Okay? It would put to rest any lingering questions that some people may have in the background. If we are able to determine that she colluded to create a fake AI voice of her husband announcing her to take over his company. If she was even emotionally capable of this, a mere weeks after he was horrifically and publicly murdered. If she was capable of then sitting across from Megan Kelly and spinning a tale about her having seen this video and what it represented to her emotionally. A video which was never recorded because it never occurred to justify her taking over the company that he built. And Erica was unable to shamelessly walk out to the sound of a voice of her husband, which she knew was doctored by AI Right? Passing the torch to her. The company is a mine. At Amfest, while she wore glittering pants, glittering pant plant pants, suit. And had fireworks going on behind her, she knew this was all AI and planned this moment to make people feel emotional. Then we would have our answer. Erica would be a confirmed, ruthless psychopath. Okay? You know that psychopath brandishing a weapon that Blake's concerned about? That would be Erica. Erica would be the kind of person that if you see on a subway, you should move if you're capable of that. Because that would mean she was void of any and all human emotion. Capable of. I am being clear. I am not being dramatic. If this turns out to be real, I would assert that she is capable of real harm. She is dangerous. And I would extend that to every person around her who approved that monstrous plan. So that would be Blake Neff, Andrew Colvett. We would be looking at a psychological profile of people that I would suggest are very much capable of cold blooded murder. Okay? In my opinion that. This is my opinion, I am asserting that if you have the ability to do that, that's not just like, oh, husband died. I wanted to sign some papers and steal the will. It's like, how can we sell this to the public? We can create this AI Video. You need to go out and sell this to Megyn Kelly. Say. Say you saw the video, that it. You know, you were pulled by it. And then you're going to go out and we're going to have Charlie say it. But we can't show the video because the AI tech is not at the right place yet. So it's a little Glitchy, so we can't show the video. But, like, as long as people hear his voice, they're going to be moved to tears. And then we're going to bring out Nicki Minaj. And this is going to be your moment, baby. So make sure you have all that and sparkles. If she was able to do that, truly take a second here, just. Just consider that in your mind. If we find that out, confirm this is AI. What does that signify about? Erica signifies that she had that meeting, that it took place, and she was able to stomach it. She was able to stomach hearing her husband's voice, intentionally manipulated after he was ruthlessly murdered. And she thought, okay, he's dead. What can he do for me? We can use his voice to have him hand over the company so people will not blink and they will not ask questions. There was no reason to do it. Like I said, that's what's even scarier. The only purpose was because she wanted people to accept her moving into his position. And it's becoming increasingly likely that that is the circumstance, like I said, would be beyond anything we've ever seen. A real life horror movie, if it proves to be true. And I have to say, I do not believe there is any upside to the donors lying to me. I don't see the upside. They loved Charlie. They went there. They gave it, their money to Charlie. They don't need to be a part of this story. What is the upside for donors to come forward and to say, candace, keep pressing. This did not happen, and I am certain it did not happen. And it is terrifying me that you're saying that they're out there telling people that this happened in Aspen. So you take your chance. You guys can take your bets on whether you believe Blake Neff and his subway killer scenario as the reason they won't release the video. Anyway, moving on from that, a fun update Erica Kirk has made me. She's now Dr. Erica Kirk. I know she said that she wanted to go home. She says a lot of stuff. She says a lot of stuff. She's in drapes. Nobody knows why. She told us that she was gonna take some time to be with her family. Then she came in dressed like Janet Jackson. She yelled at me. She yelled at Drewski. She yelled at you for the fact that she had to go confront the wine bottles that were on the table. And then, like, I'm taking a break. But then actually, now she's not taking a break again. It's a quick break and she's back. She's always back very quickly. And we're probably gonna get yelled at again that she had to even go get this speech done for Hillsdale College. Somehow it's always different. Erica can do whatever she wants, and we're just sort of left here holding the bag. She went to Michigan, to Hillsdale College to deliver a commencement address. Okay. It's her prerogative. I think we're all adjusted to this new program of Erica can do whatever she wants. And simultaneously, she accepted a posthumous doctorate degree for Charlie, honorary doctorate, and also an honorary doctorate for herself. And I want to be clear that people that are on the left and have been enduring people on the right saying dei DEI people should not be hired on the basis of how they look. They should not receive achievements. It's a regular beat. And I do believe that, by the way, I'm a, I am a full, I'm anti DEI as well. But they're on the Internet and they have something to say about it. The Internet is saying, this is stands against everything that you guys preached. Why is she getting an honorary doctorate? What has she accomplished? And I'll let you, I'm just going to read one of these tweets. This is written by someone named Brian Allen. I don't know who this is, but they wrote Hillsdale College, one of America's loudest opponents of DEI just gave a woman an honorary doctorate and commencement speech opportunity because of who her husband is. That is the definition of dei. Diversity, equity, and inclusion for me and not for thee. So, conservatives, I hate to call balls and strikes here, but, like, yeah, that's right. That, that's, that is actually the very definition of dei. I, I, when people have someone come and give a commencement address, that's usually not the circumstances that you give someone an honorary doctorate for. Fair. I don't mind it. I get it. Like I said, I'm adjusted to this new program that she can do whatever she wants. And they're just going to keep handing her stuff, and she's just going to become more and more accomplished. And people that are calling this out and saying she's not qualified for this. Welcome to the program, ladies and gentlemen. Virtually, Erica's entire educational background has sort of just been fictionalized. And when people began pointing this out, we got yelled at. This is just par for the Erica course. We keep being told it doesn't matter. Her husband died. Right. She told the when she was trying out for the American race with her ex boyfriend, she never said, you know, she never had a boyfriend before Charlie in the five years before Charlie. But she did. And when they were trying out for the Great American Race. In the video that she submitted, she said that she graduated from ASU magna cum laude. Years later she would edit that credential. She just kind of upgraded it on her LinkedIn page when she wrote that she graduated summa cum laude. Right. With a double degree, I should mention. You can take a look at this, her LinkedIn page in political science and international relations. This is, this is the old LinkedIn page. It since has been removed. Turns out she didn't graduate magna cum laude and she also didn't graduate summa cum laude. She didn't graduate with any honors and she did not graduate with a double degree. That was all just made up for funsies and she's put it on bios. So this is not like, oh, this was one mistake and I had an intern that typed a button wrong. It's been put on bios. In fact, ASU did not even offer the international relations degree at all in 2012. Baron Coleman, some other people online dug up the dug up everything from the past to see if the catalog even offered it. The answer is no. So she just made it up and we're not allowed to ask questions. Not the only thing she made up. Pull that up again. You will also see on her LinkedIn that she has Doctor of Education, that she received that in Christian Leadership from Liberty University. That is factually untrue. That's made up. She took a top a couple of credits toward that goal but she never accomplished it. Just a couple of credits toward the goal when her and Charlie were together. And then she decided that was enough and she could assert that she had this Doctor of Education. She doesn't. Our fault for noticing, our fault for fact checking her background at all. How dare we? Her husband died and she's allowed to compulsively lie about everything all the time. And if you are a person that thinks, hey, if you have a profile of an individual who compulsively lies about everything, that person should probably not be put into a leadership role. If you feel that way, you're the monster and you're demonic. There were so many holes and so many lies in the Erica Kirk background and story that we had to choose. We had to like think about editing. How are we going to tell the Erica Kirk story when we did Bride Bride of Charlie? We had to just leave a lot of them. Okay, we're just going to let her go with that lie. We never even covered that. The whole educational background is made up virtually the entire. I mean, she did receive her master's from Liberty University online, but she just keeps adding credentials. So I say more power to her. I think we should call her Dr. Erica Kirk. I think we should lean in to the absurdity of, of. Of where we're at right now as a society where everyone can see what she is. And apparently she's a part of the elite class of people, let's call it the Epstein class of people who just don't have to answer. There's no consequences for anything, and they can make us the bad guys for noticing. So I salute you, Dr. Kirk. We'll be back after a brief break. All right, you guys. Imagine waking up one day and seeing gold at $6,000 an ounce. 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Plus, Pure Talk's US based customer support team is available whenever you need assistance. To get started, visit PureTalk.com Owens and take advantage of unlimited high speed data for just 34.99amonth. Again, that's PureTalk.com Owens okay, so I have been trying to stress to you that we are kind of barreling toward a society of make believe. It's very scary, actually, if you just pause for a second and consider it. It's very strange that they're trying to see if they can sort of force us to believe things that are just not so. And they become angry and they become insistent and they spend more money and they're just getting influencers that go out there and they're. I just. I mean, I felt this way, by the way, when the transgender thing was happening. I was very vocal against this. It's like, there's a difference between a woman and a man. And they just kept pushing it and pushing it and pushing it. And it's like you can, you know, wear the clothes that you want to wear and feel how you feel, but there is such a thing as reality, okay? And now we've moved away from that, becoming a social issue. And it was always, you know, obviously political. But we're starting to see this in politics. We're starting to see them. And that, of course, is the example with Dr. Kirk and her entire background, which makes no sense, where the entire world notices that this is. This is what the Erica Kirk story feels like. It feels to me, if you're a conservative, like it felt when we were going through the transgenderism argument, where we all know that this is not right. So maybe some people are pretending to be nice. It's actually a perfect analogy here. A lot of people who I know who initially were like, yeah, let's support transgenderism. It's not because they believed it, but they just were like, it's just nice. It's a nice thing to do. Right? I would say a lot of lefties find found themselves in that category. That person feels that way. Let them feel that way. And it's the same thing with the Erica Kirk story, where they're just ignoring the facts, they're ignoring all the lies, and they're just like, well, it's just nice because her husband died that we shouldn't even consider whether or not she's lying about things or whether or not she's helping to cover up certain things that would help us solve the mystery of how her husband died. And she's not acting right. She's not acting like a grieving widow. I'm going to give you another example of this, like recently, this Nick Shirley guy, this thing that is going on. Okay. It's now getting weird enough that I do feel the need to comment and weigh in. I didn't even know that this is like, this was a beef that I accidentally stumbled upon that people were saying, like, he's this. The term that they use here is fed jacketed. Like essentially he's being created by the media. There are a lot of people that are like that. I would say Barry Weiss is a perfect example. Like, we all know she's not qualified to be an executive at cbs. They just don't care. She, they're just, there you go, Barry Weiss. And this Nick Shirley thing is one of the weirdest non beefs that I have ever had. So I'm going to back up here and say I, I did not follow at all the quote unquote, rise of Nick Shirley. He's 24 years old. It was, if I recall, like very quickly after the Charlie Kirk assassination. He was sort of introduced first on the Charlie Kirk show on the day he died. Remember, we covered that. That's the reason I covered him on the show on September 10th when I was trying to work through timelines and I made a mistake and I completely owned that mistake and had a conversation with him right after the Charlie Kirk assassination. Suddenly I was not emotional, emotionally available to look at other topics, to cover other topics. I was not interested in other trends. And suddenly we have this, this kid, 23 years old, I think he was last year. And they say Nick Shirley has uncovered massive welfare fraud in the Somalian community in Minnesota. Okay. A friend of mine just got shot in the neck. Don't really care to follow the story. Daycare fraud, great thumbs up. Did not peek beyond that at all. I didn't. I want to be perfectly here, perfectly clear here. I did not watch or read even one minute of what he uncovered. So color me completely ignorant of the welfare fraud story in Somalia. Just being honest with you. I didn't have it in me then and I just truly did not care. Okay, so then fast forward to me mentioning Nick Shirley on the show. And I was like, okay, who is this guy? And I was quite stunned that there was this video out there of him saying that he liked, broke into, infiltrated the most dangerous gang in Brazil in 48 hours, like that's so objectively stupid and ignorant. You have to be so ignorant to even believe it. That's just be a headline that your brain automatically rejects, right? A 23 year old kid absent any connections infiltrated a gang in 48 hours is like they are, they are trying you right now. They're not even trying to give us like good slop anymore. Like we're, we're beneath the level of fed slop with this, right? It's just stupid. It's nothing personal, Nick Shirley. It's just dumb when you hear it that a person infiltrate a 23 year old kid and I did say a white boy for a reason, which I will explain, infiltrated the most dangerous gang in Brazil by himself with cameras. Okay, Anyway, Nick Shirley, after I said this on my show the next day, it was like trending. And all of these people, the people I trust the least by the way, I mean like Tim Pool, everyone's like writing these statements like Nick Shirley got punched in the face by me because I, I'm not an idiot. I don't have to look deeper into that story. It's obviously objectively on its face, untrue and made up. I don't know if it's for entertainment, I don't know if it's for fundies. I don't know the purpose of making up something like that. I've just lived a little bit of life and know that that's not how it works. And so pbd, who has just been sort of taking swipes at me for like since Charlie Kirk died, you know, he notoriously hosted the person who said, I didn't speak to Charlie since, you know, 2019, we hadn't spoken. We were at war with each other. Whatever, I don't care. You know, it's just add it to the pile of people who are constantly just making little snide comments on me. But Nick, pbd, who was one of the people who issued a kind statement about Nick Shirley because gasp. Candace doesn't believe that he infiltrated a gang in 48 hours, hosted him on his show and they show the clip of what I said and PBD's pretending he had no idea, he completely already knew I said this. Even the whole little scene you're going to watch between them is just so contrived. It just bothers me on a level of why do we have to live in this soap opera? Why are we all sim characters? Who is pulling the strings Anyway, I want you to listen to this conversation that they Have.
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When the market is supporting you, who in the market is criticizing you that you're surprised? On the conservative side, are there people who are like, nick, go, you're doing great. And then there's people that are like, yeah, I don't know if I like what he's doing.
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Kenneth Owens came after me a while back. That was very interesting.
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Why would Candace Owens come after you?
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I don't know. She, like, didn't believe my Brazilian tavela video and.
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Oh, it's not even the. So you're talking. This is a couple years ago.
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No, no, this is like, recent. She's like white boy. I'm like, it was very, like, snarky of her to do this.
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Interesting. This is it.
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Yeah,
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but which video is that? Is that a recent video from the last summer?
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Just gonna say, I don't believe that at all. I'm sorry, I just, I. I just. It's so stupid. I'm not even gonna tell you why I don't believe. It's like, it's like, if you don't know that that's stupid that he infiltrated the gang in 48 hours. Like, it's just. That's so dumb. I'm so tired of dumb. That's not how that works, okay? You don't just go up to gangs on the street as a nice looking white boy with the camera and say, hey, I just wanted to sort of like, see what you're doing here, what's going on. Okay, that's the stuff. That's stupid. Of course that's dumb. I'm sorry, Nick. I know you're young. I hope you know whoever is your contact that has you infiltrating antifa and infiltrating El Salvador at the age of 23 years old. It just feels like Sean Penn young
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to me, meaning your handler or you're representing somebody.
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She's basically saying that's fake.
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She's saying that's fake.
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And I'm like, well, maybe these podcasters would actually leave their podcast studios. No offense, Pat. They'd leave their podcast studios and go and, like, do journalism. Like, they'd actually see, like, stuff just. Sometimes just happens.
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It was that last part that really sent me because it's just so lol. And then this whole, like, oh, why don't you try to do real journalism and like, leave your basement from podcast. Uh, Alex Clark kind of backed this up too, because, like, she can't miss an opportunity. Turning Point. Can't miss, miss an opportunity because I think I took from them what they believe is rightfully theirs. Uh, but she wrote this. Nick Shirley is a real journalist. Candace Owens is not. Oh, okay. So we're in a podcast. We're in the basement. Hey, Nick. So the reason why we know that that doesn't make sense, actually, is because you have to be the most sheltered person in the world to even have to. To need it to be explained to you why that's not plausible. Okay? It's not about. It's not a job. Okay? People just live in these scenarios. People like, literally, I have five year. Five year olds in my family who have seen more and lived through more than you've probably ever lived through in your life. The circumstance itself did not happen. And I cannot tell you how much it frustrates me that you're pretending that I'm coming from a position of privilege when it's actually the exact opposite. You couldn't do this in Chicago. You couldn't do this in Detroit. Forget in a favela in Brazil, places like that, which I have Brazilians in my family. You don't even go to parts in Brazil without having someone who is from that place and from that neighborhood. So, no, it's not about podcasting in my basement. I actually lived a lot of life, Nick Shirley, before I got to podcasting in my basement, before I was married, before I had children. In fact, I moved down to South America for two months to learn Spanish with very strict instructions. The school that I enrolled in. Don't wear any jewelry. Don't. Don't wear any makeup. Don't look American. You don't just go down there. As I said. And why I'm pointing out the fact that you are a white boy is because you don't look like them. The whole idea when you're down there is to blend in, not to come with the camera. A Mormon kid from Utah with the camera. Hey, what's the most dangerous game in this. In this favela? Can I infiltrate in 48 hours? It just didn't happen. It didn't. It didn't even kind of happen. And any, like I said, you have to. That could only work. You'd have to sell this to billionaires. Right? You could only make people who have never touched their own door handles. Like, you'd have to grow up like Paris Hilton and go somewhere where Nick Shirley is and he tells you about how he infiltrated favela. And she would think that that's plausible because she's never even been to, like, a dangerous gas station. That's how fake that Is like there are gas stations on the New Jersey turnpike that people you couldn't infiltrate, you couldn't buy a bag of chips and feel safe. Okay, and you're trying to tell us that you're just a 23 year old kid who infiltrated a favela in 48. I don't need to pierce beyond the layer. I've just lived these things. I've lived these circumstances and so have the majority of people. And so I don't understand the purpose of Nick Shirley. I didn't know if there was this huge scandal and then subsequently found out that people, you know, think he's fed jacketed. I wasn't trying to hit upon that. I just watched the video and had a reaction to how stupid it was that they're trying to sell it. They're not even giving us good psyops anymore. They have such low respect for us. You, you couldn't go to trailer parks and do that. There are certain trailer parks, a lot of them, that you couldn't go through and do that. Like you would get harmed. And by the way, it's irresponsible to suggest to 23 year old kids that they can do this. I actually find it to be irresponsible. Like, yeah, you want to be like Nick Shirley and just go down with the camera, no connections and you know, you'll suddenly arrive and be welcomed into a gang. They'll be holding guns and you're perfectly safe. He's just that amazing. His words are just that gentle and just that kind. I pointed out that you would have obviously stood out, Nick, as a white boy walking through a favela with a camera. They would look, there's just a certain natural thing that happens. You stand out in the jungle. Oh, this does not look like someone that should be here. You could say the same thing. If you put any person, if you put a gangster rapper and you put them up in the suburbs where they haven't seen a person with melanin in over a century, they go, that person is standing out there with their jeans down low, baby, you know, below their butts or something like that. You just would look odd. And you, it is the exact opposite of anybody who has lived and been around these areas. You know that you don't do that. It's just, it's a basic survival thing. You don't do that. I, I have family reunions. Nick Shirley couldn't infiltrate and survive. That's just the reality. Like, so this whole like tough boy. Oh, because they don't leave Their basement. You sound sheltered. You sound Shel. That you think that because I podcast today that I didn't live a lot more yesterdays, way more aggressive yesterdays, than you've ever lived in your entire life. That's why I laughed, Nick, because it's so implausible that you did that. And the other thing that I want to add here is just more broadly speaking, I don't know why they're doing this now. It's. And I do think we're getting to this sort of stage of idiocracy. Whether we're talking about the Erica Kirk thing, everyone can see that that is so painfully and obviously untrue or that we're talking about the Nick Shirley thing. It's like they've calculated to a point where they should. Should just be able to, with X amount of dollars, with this amount of influencers and with this much power behind a. A political party, whether it's, we're going to get Trump to support this person, or, you know, we're gonna get Kamala Harris to support this person. It's like an equation that they're just like, this equals success. And we're rejecting that. We have to hold on to common sense. Like, we all just have to know that Nick Shirley did not infiltrate a gang in 48 hours. We all just have to know that it is not normal for a woman whose husband was assassinated in broad daylight to six days later be on a zoom call laughing about emojis. Like, we should all say, nope, doesn't pass the sniff test. And I'm just not going to have you explain to me. I'm not going to, like, make you, like, pretend that this is some sort of controversy because I have common sense. They're trying to make it illegal to think, like, it's illegal to just know things spiritually, instinctively, intuitively. Doesn't pass the sniff test. And I just feel like we have to hold firm on that. So I don't need mean to use Nick Shirley as an example. I don't care to further wade into the controversy of people who are talking about his background and saying that he's been created. I tend to just look at how people react when I point out the obvious to know that he's got some backing behind him, right? He's up here crying about a little remark about favela, like, okay, it didn't happen, so take that or leave that. He is being pushed upon us for some reason. I don't know what that reason is, by the way. He's now going to be going to Cuba. Guys, no connections. He's just going to Cuba. He claims he he went to Cuba. He was almost taken hostage. Man, this is the bravest kid in the entire world. And of course, this headline from yesterday, will the US Invade Cuba? It tells us that spy flights there are surging, there are new sanctions, and we all know the CIA is involved in Cuba at this moment. So I don't find the timing of Nick Shirley. I find everything about him to be suspicious. I would say to everyone, look at these videos with some degree of caution because that none of this is natural. Neither is like the fake feigned surprise of pbd. Oh, I'm so surprised that Candace came after you. Like, completely ridiculous. Anyway, we'll take a brief break before I get to some of your comments. All right, you guys, do you maybe owe back taxes? Have years of unfiled returns? Or maybe you file every year and still can't get ahead because the balance keeps growing? A lot of people get blindsided after retirement. Maybe you withdrew money from a 401k or IRA and suddenly got hit with a tax bill that you never expected. Whatever caused the problem, one thing is certain. The IRS penalties and interest keep adding up every single month. If you don't have a plan now, you could end up owing even more next tax season. Before the IRS starts sending more letters, garnishing wages, or freezing your bank account, call Tax Network USA. 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It doesn't pass the sniff test for me. And I'm just gonna hold that opinion. I'm not gonna investigate. I'm not passionate about Nick Shirley. It was such a non item on my show that the fact that he's like trying to extend it into some beef is ridiculous. The fact that it was even trending after I said it like, like, like I said, the people we trust the least all being like, he's the most amazing thing. I can't believe he had to survive someone saying that he didn't go to a favela. That in and of itself feels inauthentic. That just, that's not a normal way to react to someone saying, yeah, don't buy that one. And like I said, I wasn't aware of the history of people who had gone after him and showed whatever the connections were. And I don't plan on investigating it. I just don't care enough onto bigger things, more important things, like I said, which for me is the Charlie Kirk assassination. A top comment from last episode. Fran Ban writes, I think Erica hit the sixth stage of grief, which is bridal shots. Yes. You guys, I think we're with me just very confused about why she was in the drapes. I don't know what was going on. I know that I couldn't do that. When I was a kid, my mom would say, get out them drapes right now. She just did that or whatever. And I it was very bridal. And next thing we knew, like I said, we were being shouted at. Alex B. Writes, I desperately need an Erica Kirk south park episode. Yes. Oh my, that would be amazing. Obviously we would get in so much trouble. So much trouble. But it. I think it's worth it. If we are in trouble. We're already in trouble all the time with the mainstream media. So that might happen. Like I said, Charlie would have laughed at that stuff. But we see that Erica has taken the Drew Skis get deadly serious for some reason. And for the record, the people that were trying to turn that into something racial, like Andrew Colvette, now do like black conservatives. He does every race. If you know Drew Ski's skits, He makes fun of Vietnamese people. He dressed up like he was Vietnamese person, did this whole nail salon thing. So it's this. It was not because of her race that he did that. And just last week, he dropped a massive video where he was targeting black British actors. And it was hilarious. And we just laughed at it. So I hate to see that the right has become the things that we hated about the left, like, not able to just take a joke on its face. Nobody got hurt in him mocking Erica Kirk. Clearly she got her feelings hurt, but it's because she takes herself apparently way too seriously. Or maybe she was just promised that she would be protected and she would. Everyone was just going to love her. And I think she's quite surprised that the opposite thing seems to be what they accomplished. And the reason for that is because she just comes across as inauthentic and dishonest, and they have no response for all of the various lies, inconsistencies, inaccuracies that we have pointed out. They just keep saying demonic. Send out the pastor. Send out the pastors to tell them it's demonic. It's demonic. No, lies are actually, in fact, satanic. Satan is the author of lies. So if you're looking to people who have been telling the truth or people who are trying to get at the truth, and I will say, do we make mistakes sometimes? Absolutely. But at least we have it in our heart that when we do those mistakes, we course correct, we apologize, and we move on. You guys are on a level of arrogance that when you get literally just caught lying, you yell at us. You. She doesn't show up to an event and you have J.D. vance lecture us. Get out of my face. J.D. vance. I'm sorry. I actually really disliked him after that. I'm like, he's sitting up here on the stage yelling at us because she doesn't want to go to the event because no one wants to hear her speak. Like, that's so backwards, and it's so abusive and narcissistic to do that. To people. You. You want to make commitments. You wanted to be Charlie Kirk so bad that you allegedly made a whole AI video saying your husband wanted you. And we all deep down spiritually know that that is untrue. Okay? Charlie didn't change his mind two weeks before he died. We know what he thought. We have hours and hours and hours and hours of footage of Charlie Kirk saying women should stay home. You wanted to put on your big girl glitter pants and. And take his role and be CEO and chairman. Well, guess what? Life's tough. Get a helmet. Okay? No one feels bad for you because you have to deal with criticism that Charlie had to deal with for the last 10 years. And he took it gracefully. He fought, he answered the questions. He allowed people to go through his life. I've had to do the same thing. Nobody's crying, crying for me when I'm. My family's getting attacked. And now all of a sudden, you just think that what this was supposed to be. I dub the Erica Kirk, the CEO of Turning Point usa. Nobody ask any questions. What is that? Wrong country, sweetheart. No, we don't. We don't do the king and queen I dubbed thee stuff here. So if you can't take the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen. Erica, that's just the reality. Just get out of the kitchen, step down, go away and pretend to be a grieving widow. That works for everybody. Anyway, a little too fired up here. I'm going to move on to your comments from today's episode. We have Bill K. Writes, christ is king, Mary is queen, and Candice is a princess. Happy late Mother's Day. Thank you so much. No, the only princess in this house is my daughter. She's definitely a princess. Yeah, she's just working me these days. Man, it's so fast. How clever they are. They just know what to say to get what they want. I am being outworked by toddlers over here. Moderator Marzi writes. Hey, Candice, I know you are covering Shirley today, but I wanted to let you know that the quartering has messed with you on X and is now facing a potential lawsuit involving false flagging and DE platforming other YouTube channels as well as for doxxing and harassment. That's very interesting. I did not know that. I will look into that. I had no idea. I. Who is suing him? I know nothing about that. I just read these comments live, so I wasn't expecting that one. And I have. I can't really add anything to that, but I thank you for giving me that tip. Mrs. M.P.K. writes. What's your response to reporting that during your private interview, Erica Kirk gave you Brian Harpole's alibi for the alleged Fort Huachuca sighting? Did you ask Erica for her alibi during your meeting? Ops doing the most. This merits clarification. Yeah, no, absolutely. She gave me the. I thought it was very strange. So my thought process, just to remind you guys, and you'll see this all because this is going to come out in the filings, and I actually am thinking about doing the Brian Friedman thing, which was obviously the lawyer, Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni, where he just put it all online because I have nothing to hide. So the timeline on that is when I had received the email from Mitch, or email. It was Mitch's friend that emailed me, and I called him and he said his story. He was clear that he saw Brian Harpel and he saw Erica, but he said he saw Erica Kirk on the 8th and she wasn't leaving a meeting. Brian Harpole he saw on the 9th, and he was leaving the meeting on Fort Huachuca base, and that was when the cops were called, all of that. And I. You have to remember, like, at this particular time, I didn't suspect Erica, and I felt like she was under a lot of, like, pressure. And I didn't want to unnecessarily put a spotlight on her because he saw her at a hotel. It wasn't related to the meeting. He didn't see her with Brian. And I knew that her mom and her stepdad have contracts with the government. So there's a thousand other reasons that she could have been at the Fort Huachuca Air base that were not, you know, weird. So I made the decision when I first presented the story, which was absent before my interview with Mitch. So I basically first told Mitch's story, his entire background. And then I said. And he says that he saw Ryan Harpel. If you go back and you watch that, I said, he saw Brian Harpel on the night 9th. Right. Removed Erica from it entirely instantly. The next day, Erica did. Went on her tour, the stop tour. And Erica suddenly was very panicked about this. So it's almost to me like she knew that if we got Mitch onto the show, he was gonna tell the other part, which was that he saw Erica. Like there was some. Like she did. It was the. Not the five. The Harrison. What is her name On Fox News. I'm totally blanking on her name. If you guys remember it, tell me Harrison Faulkner was her. Is her name, I think. Yeah. She went on Harris Harris Faulkner. Sorry, Harris Faulkner. She went on that show and then she was all fired up for the first time and like, stop. Conspiracy theories need to stop. That was the very next day. So I was like, that's interesting, because we didn't mention the Erica part yet. Does she know something that, like, it felt weird. Then the day after that, she did Barry Weiss, and they cut the clip of her saying, what do you have to say? To the podcaster Candace Owens? I then would later find out that they had planned that. The question answer segment. And she's like, stop. Just stop. Then I got Justin Strife that backfires. Justin Strife emails us and we're off for the weekend. Because I said, I'm going to interview Mitch next. I had said that I get Ian Carroll calling me, and he's got Paramount tact. I mean, Valhalla, the YouTuber, Green Beret, basically already threatening me like, don't. Don't interview Mitch. That was what was coming up. I was just. I wanted to interview Mitch, as I said, or else he's gonna sue. So I'm getting threatened with a lawsuit before I even interview Mitch. And I'm like, dude, what's up? So I message Brian Harpole, and I'm like, hey, like, I'm gonna have this guy Mitch on. But, like, we could. I could also, like, if you want to debunk it, I'm happy to do. I don't know this guy. But this reaction doesn't feel organic to me. Like, everybody seems to be panicking, and I haven't yet had Mitch on. He doesn't answer, so I'm like, okay. Then Erica comes and we sit down. They scheduled it for Monday, and you'll remember. So they were still thinking I was gonna have Mitch on my show. Then they scheduled it during the block where I would normally have my show. They said, let's have a ceasefire. No one's gonna talk. And then they hosted Paramount Tactical, basically trying to debunk me on the show while I was in a hotel for four hours. And I thought it was very odd that she said to me that they were very upset with Brian Harpole, that they were not. They had a communication breakdown with him. They never authorized him to go on the Sean Ryan Show. But then she handed me an alibi for him. I'm like, why are you concerned about his alibi? You're not talking to this guy and you're going to fire Brian Harpole? Why are you concerned about his alibi so much that you're handing it to me? Right? And then we look at it. I looked at it and I said, oh, this actually does not cover the time period that Mitch said he saw him. So at that moment, I'm not saying to her anything that he saw you too. But I'm paying attention to her behavior right at that point. She had already told me a couple of lies. So I was on the like, okay, let's go easy. Clocked her on a couple of lies. But I didn't want her to stop talking. And she sort of just sat up and handed me Brian Harpole's flights, which were for 1:49pm on the 9th, going to Utah. And I said, this doesn't cover the time period. So this is not. This doesn't actually debunk anything. And she said, oh, I thought, that's weird. Cause I'm. You're not talking to Brian Harpole. So what's up with this? You know? Then after all was said and done, and then Justin asked me, are you going to. Still didn't mention it to her. And then Justin asked me, when is your show off air? Because we were coming up against Christmas. And I was like, well, in a couple of days, actually. And it was almost like they just kind of wanted to get me not to interview him. And then I interviewed him. I did it on the 18th. I was like, I'm gonna do this because I messaged Brian Harpel. Erica didn't give me an alibi for him. And I allowed Mitch to tell a story. And he said that he saw erica on the 8th. And what happened thereafter was we were threatened. Literally threatened. I mean, when you see these messages that Valhalla was sending about how I would be ruined, he explicitly says, we're gonna ruin her by being like, if she does not, like, basically revoke her commentary about Fort Huachuca, we're gonna basically bury her. In everything Mitch has done in his past, I'm talking to his ex wife. I'm like, what is. Why are Valhalla and Paramount Tactical? Then they called Mitch and they tried to play good cop. They were like, yeah, brother, like, we'd love to have you on the show, fellow Green Green Beret. But they were saying that I made up up that he. They were telling me the opposite, or trying to tell me the opposite, that this was a case of stolen valor. I went, this is really weird. Who's directing these two people? Who's directing Paramount Tactical and Valhalla? And then, lo and behold, the answer came when accidentally Paramount Tactical read Erica's alibi live on his show when it Said please don't share. And then what was stranger is that the kids in the photo, he's like, these are her kids. She was walking with her kids. I didn't even share the fact that I knew that that was not her kids. Well, guess what, Guess who just admitted that, guys. Paramount Tactical. He says, okay, fine. They have now just admitted over the weekend that the boy in the Fort Huachuca alibi photo is not Erica's, which the Internet immediately clocked. Okay, if you have kids, you know, you're not looking at a 16 month old. I think that's how old their son would have been. This is giant child. And I had someone very close to the family say that's not either of the children actually. So at least we now have Paramount admitting that's the alibi that was given in which Andrew explicitly states she was with her kids as he sends the photo. Don't share. Those are not her kids. Maybe it's Gigi. I don't know. Person that knows them says it's not, but we now have confirmation that it's not the sun. So so much weird stuff happened. And then to realize that Andrew was coordinating, that was trying. He was the one coordinating these like YouTubers Valhalla and Paramount Tactical. What's weird about that is they were in communication with me. Erica and I had just sat down. So they could have just texted me and said, hey, just so you know, I saw that you mentioned whatever. Here's Erica's alibi. Here's where she was. She was, she was not at Fortu because she was here. They didn't do that. They went behind the scenes. And I will clock another lie. It was after Erica told me that they were getting rid of Andrew Colvett. So Andrew Colva has been doing her dirty work. She's obviously got caught red handed working with Andrew Colvett to get this out through this obscure YouTube channel. This alibi, after she told me that they had hired crisis PR and they were moving Andrew out of. Out of pr. I can't remember. She said they were going to fire him, but I certainly know that she said they were moving him completely off of PR full stop and they had stopped using him because he had been an unmitigated disaster. That was when she was lying about Andrew went rogue and you went rogue. So when you have this many lies that are being told about something that I was pretty much like less than 50, 50 on genuinely, I, I obviously fact checked enough to know that Mitch was there. He had the videos. I had his hotel reservation. I had. I had confirmed with a source that his ID tags were real. The military ID tags he had sent me. So much overwhelming proof that he was there. When you have that sort of a reaction, it doesn't make you think the person was not there. So they took me from being 40, 60, maybe even 30, 70. Like, I believe Mitch was there, but, like, he could just have a weird memory. They could have literally said, oh, it must have been a lookalike. It wasn't Erica or Brian. They did way too much. And the amount of times that Brian Harpo lies in this lawsuit, on its face to me, does not make me think he was not at Fort Huachuca. Him saying Candace had his alibi. They know that is objectively not true. They know that his flights on the 9th were for 1:49pm from Dallas to Salt Lake City. Okay, so why are they. Why would you put that in a filing? Why are you saying he went on Sean Ryan? Because of the grief that I put him through, knowing fully well that I never mentioned him on my show until post Sean Ryan. These are lies. He's lying in a court filing. So what? This does not make me feel. I. I am not here today going well. Now that he's filed this lawsuit, I believe him for the first time. I messaged him four times. I now believe Brian Harpo was not at Fort Huachuca. It's the. It's actually the opposite. The filing, to me, feels like Blake Lively. Feels like Blake Lively's filing. It's meant for pr. It is not based in truth. They still have not provided any receipts as to his whereabouts on the morning of the 9th, and I look forward to getting them anyway. That was a. You got a lot more than you bargained for with that. But I guess I had to get off my chest. AJ Ganz writes Hillsdale College, objective truth or willful blindness. How disappointing. I can tell you that I knew that she was going to speak there. I had so many students messaging me that were upset about it. It's not who they had imagined. Their commencement address would be given by Arkansas. Kansas writes, I have this sick feeling in my gut that they are going to say that Tyler Robinson contracted the hantavirus before the trial begins. I think that nothing can happen to Tyler Robinson. If, like, if that happens, it's gonna be terrible for Erica. It's going to be terrible for Turning Point usa. They better keep him the healthiest. I would say that would be my suggestion, but these people never do the thing that's right so we'll see what happens. But I don't think that that's likely. Ali writes, wouldn't the best way to honor your husband's legacy be to oppose the Iran war and support Thomas Massie? Or to cozy up to his bullies and ignore that he was changing at the end? You're doing that thing, Allie, or you're the common sense thing. People don't like that anymore. We're living in make belief. That's the common sense. Yeah, you. You should. You should hate the people that were bullying your husband. Extra. You shouldn't be teaming up with them. But that's not how Erica lives. Not the amazing, remarkable Erica Kirk. Not the magnificent Dr. Kirk. She's like something else. Jane writes. Love from the uk. Christ is king and genocide is always wrong. Go, Max. Still haven't changed my stance on that. It's aging like fine wine. Christ is king. Genocide is always wrong. 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