Quiet Quitting, the Miami Heat, and Contraband Australian Snacks | Plus Tiger Moms with Natalie Nakase

Summary

Casuals with Katie Nolan – Episode: Quiet Quitting, the Miami Heat, and Contraband Australian Snacks | Plus Tiger Moms with Natalie Nakase
Release Date: January 30, 2025

Introduction
Timestamp: 00:59
Katie Nolan kicks off episode four of "Casuals," introducing her new crew members Brady, Chris, and Isabella. The episode promises discussions on major sports topics of the week, including Jimmy Butler's tumultuous relationship with the Miami Heat, Bronnie James' performance with the LA Lakers, Caitlin Clark's decision to decline the NBA All-Star three-point contest, Naomi Girma's record-breaking transfer, and insights from Natalie Nakase, the newly appointed head coach of the WNBA's Golden State Valkyries.

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1. Jimmy Butler’s Struggle with the Miami Heat

Timestamp: 03:31 – 12:10

Katie delves into the ongoing drama surrounding Jimmy Butler and the Miami Heat. Butler has been suspended three times in a single month as he attempts to force his way out of the franchise before the trade deadline.

• Timeline of Events:

  • Last Year: Butler expressed that if he had played during the Heat's postseason, they would have won. Pat Riley responded by suggesting that Butler should refrain from public comments if he wasn't on the court.
  • Earlier This Season: A contract extension negotiation fell through, leading the Heat to contemplate trading Butler, only to assert they wouldn't trade him.
  • January 2: Butler formally requested a trade.
  • Subsequent Suspensions: Butler was suspended for seven games due to "conduct detrimental to the team" and later suspended for two games for missing a team flight. His latest suspension is indefinite following his walkout from practice.

• Notable Insights:

  • Katie: "This is a situation I think people have a lot of emotions around... this doesn't affect me directly. I'm coming from an outsider's perspective."
  • Chris: "Jimmy Butler is always entertaining... he's always entertaining in some way or another, both on the court and off."

• Discussion Points:

  • The impact of Butler's actions on his value and relationship with the Heat and Miami fans.
  • The financial implications of his suspensions.
  • The broader conversation about player obligations under contract.

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2. Bronnie James’ Performance with the LA Lakers

Timestamp: 13:03 – 20:55

The conversation shifts to Bronnie James, son of NBA legend LeBron James, who recently logged a career-high 15 minutes in a Lakers' game, albeit with a challenging performance.

• Performance Highlights:

  • Stat Line: Missed all five shot attempts and had three turnovers in his career-high 15 minutes.
  • G League Success: Despite NBA struggles, Bronnie scored a career-high 31 points for the South Bay Lakers in the G League.

• Background:

  • Bronnie was a four-star prospect who committed to USC but suffered a cardiac arrest due to a congenital heart defect early in his freshman year. He made a full recovery and returned to play.
  • The Lakers drafted him with the 55th pick last year, marking a historic moment as he and his father became the first father-son duo to play together in an NBA season opening win.

• Notable Insights:

  • Katie: "Anybody else were taken at that time... he's doing things that any other picked 55 in any draft would have done."
  • Chris: "He could eventually be a decent rotation player in the NBA one day. We'll see how it goes."

• Discussion Points:

  • The pressures of being a "nepo baby" and the expectations placed on Bronnie.
  • The developmental role of the G League in honing his skills.
  • Balancing the legacy of his father with his own career trajectory.

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3. Nepo Babies and Industry Perceptions

Timestamp: 20:55 – 24:07

Katie and her guests touch upon the trope of "nepo babies" — individuals who benefit from their parents' fame or connections. They discuss the challenges and criticisms faced by such individuals.

• Notable Insights:

  • Katie: "Most Nepo babies... it's been less hard for you in that one specific way. And just acknowledge that. Just say that because we're not gonna forget."
  • Brady: "Dan is the Gracie Abrams of this podcast... putting visibility and equality."

• Discussion Points:

  • The loneliness and scrutiny that come with being labeled a nepo baby.
  • The importance of acknowledging both the advantages and the pressures that accompany such labels.
  • The gender dynamics in how nepo babies are perceived and criticized.

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4. Naomi Girma’s Record-Breaking Transfer

Timestamp: 24:07 – 26:52

The episode highlights Naomi Girma's historic transfer from the San Diego Wave to Chelsea, setting a new transfer fee record for a women's soccer player at approximately £1.1 million.

• Achievements:

  • NWSL Success: Named Rookie of the Year and Defender of the Year in her first two seasons.
  • International Impact: Played a pivotal role in the U.S. Women's National Team during the Olympics.

• Notable Insights:

  • Katie: "This is a good thing for these records to continuously be broken... we're recognizing the value of these people."
  • Chris: "She's doing things that any other picked 55 in any draft would have done. 31 points in the G League is pretty good."

• Discussion Points:

  • The growth of women's soccer and the increasing investment in international leagues.
  • The potential impact on the NWSL due to talent moving abroad.
  • The broader implications for competition and the global landscape of women's sports.

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5. Caitlin Clark Declines NBA All-Star Three-Point Contest

Timestamp: 26:52 – 33:38

Caitlin Clark's decision to opt-out of the NBA All-Star three-point contest sparks debate. Some speculate it’s due to her dislike of "shooting off the rack," while others believe she’s advocating for the WNBA's All-Star events.

• Notable Insights:

  • Katie: "She's saying, like, I'll be doing the WNBA three-point contest... using her visibility to support women's basketball."
  • Chris: "The dunk contest has evolved... specialists being celebrated."

• Discussion Points:

  • The disparity between the NBA and WNBA All-Star events.
  • Caitlin Clark's role in promoting women's basketball and challenging the status quo.
  • Suggestions to reformat the NBA dunk contest to better celebrate specialized skills.

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6. Utah Hockey Club’s Name Change and Branding Issues

Timestamp: 33:38 – 49:44

The podcast covers the Utah Hockey Club's ongoing search for a permanent name, following the rejection of "Utah Yetis" by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. The finalists include "Utah Wasatch" and "Utah Mammoth," among others.

• Rejected Names:

  • Utah Yetis: Popular for its alliteration but already associated with a popular brand.
  • Utah Outlaws, Utah Venom, Utah Blizzard: Lacked a cohesive vision.

• Finalists:

  • Utah Wasatch: Inspired by the Wasatch Mountain range, suggesting a yeti-adjacent mascot.
  • Utah Mammoth: Emphasizes strength and endurance.

• Notable Insights:

  • Katie: "If you were the Utah Goats, it would end the whole 'goat' trend."
  • Brady: Discusses the challenges of team names that don't end in 'S' and their impact on referring to players.

• Discussion Points:

  • The importance of a cohesive and unique team identity.
  • Balancing fan expectations with branding regulations.
  • Creative suggestions for team names to avoid common tropes and trends.

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7. Interview with Natalie Nakase, Head Coach of the Golden State Valkyries

Timestamp: 60:00 – 72:44

Katie interviews Natalie Nakase, the first female head coach of the Golden State Valkyries, a new expansion team in the WNBA.

• Key Highlights:

  • Background: Natalie is a trailblazer, being the first Asian American coach to win a WNBA title and the first female head coach in Japan's top professional men's league.
  • Coaching Philosophy: Emphasizes learning from losses without assigning blame. "It's more about reflection after a loss, not blame... I'm the coach. I'm taking the blame."
  • Team Expansion: Discusses the advantages of being an expansion team and leveraging the upcoming growth in the WNBA.
  • Fan Engagement: Shares experiences with motivating fans and the importance of genuine connections. "Hiring genuine people and not so much how much they know."

• Notable Insights:

  • Natalie: "Confidence in the game plan and yourself is crucial for players to perform at their best."
  • Katie: "You never want to foreseeing the future and just say, hey, yeah, this is where I'm gonna hang my banners. No... let's keep our feet on the ground and take one day at a time."

• Discussion Points:

  • The challenges and opportunities of leading an expansion team.
  • Strategies for fostering a winning culture and maintaining team morale.
  • The impact of representation and diversity in coaching roles within professional sports.

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8. Listener Interaction and Closing Remarks

Timestamp: 72:44 – End
Katie wraps up the episode by encouraging listeners to subscribe, share the podcast, and engage through emails. She also briefly touches on upcoming topics such as the Grammys, emphasizing the podcast's diverse range of discussions beyond just sports.

• Notable Insights:
  • Katie: "If you like it, make sure you let that be known. Tell people that you love to listen to this podcast if you think they'll like it."

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Conclusion
This episode of "Casuals with Katie Nolan" offers a comprehensive look into the latest sports dramas, highlights emerging talents, and provides inspiring insights from a leading figure in the WNBA. From the intricate dynamics of player-team relationships to the evolving landscape of women's sports, Katie and her crew deliver engaging conversations tailored for both casual and dedicated sports enthusiasts.

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Notable Quotes:

• Jimmy Butler Drama:
  Katie Nolan [03:36]: “We get it. He's not going to play there anymore. Get rid of him.”

• Bronnie James’ Development:
  Chris [10:52]: “He has basketball talent... he's going to continue to hone his craft in the G League.”

• Nepo Babies Discussion:
  Katie Nolan [24:07]: “You should only come out here and go, I know my mom and dad are two of the greatest actors alive... it doesn’t behoove you to make that argument.”

• Naomi Girma’s Transfer:
  Katie Nolan [26:52]: “I don't think we're at a panic button time yet. I think this is good. This is ultimately good.”

• Natalie Nakase’s Coaching Philosophy:
  Natalie Nakase [65:27]: “It's more about reflection after a loss, not blame... I'm the coach. I'm taking the blame.”

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This detailed summary encapsulates the diverse discussions and key insights from the episode, providing a comprehensive overview for those who haven't tuned in.

Transcript

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Hello. Welcome to Casuals, the sports podcast for people that like, want to know a little and care a little, but not a lot. I'm Katie Nolan. I'm your host today on the podcast. I figured episode four. It's time for you to meet some of these people who are here with me. The new crew, Brady, Chris, Isabella. So what we're going to do today is we're just going to kind of bat around some of the big topics going into the weekend. We're going to talk about the Jimmy Butler drama in Miami. We'll talk about Caitlin Clark turning down the NBA All Star three point contest. We talk about Naomi, GMA Jake and Logan Paul because they won't go away and more stuff like that. And then later we will be joined by the head coach of the WNBA's brand new expansion team, the Golden State Valkyries, Natalie Nakase. We chat with her for a little bit and but because of that, listen, I hate to break format this early, but because of that we're going to just skip a yap, right? Because I'm basically just going to be yapping the whole podcast in little baby yaps. So we, we're going to just skip the. It's a lot of yapping. I'm sorry. And I think the Tuesday yap was pretty, pretty solid. So I think we just skip a yap today and we, and we dive right into the news. It's just an executive call that you have to let me make before we get into the podcast. I do want to remind you we have an email address and that email address is CasualSwithKatienolanmail.com so shoot us some emails. No pics. You can keep the pics. Just words mostly. I'd even avoid hyperlinks, but just words you can send to us anytime you want to anytime of day. Save us in your address book. I don't know, maybe you're. You're out drinking at a bar and you're like, I gotta shoot off an email to Casuals there. It will be in your address book. Thank goodness, because you drunk are not going to remember it. So drink responsibly. And that's casuals with Katie. Nolanmail.com. shoot us an email. Let's just get into it, right? For. I mean, this feels like it makes sense to me if everybody wants to just go around and say hello really quickly before I introduce our first story. I will just say your name and then you say hi. Does that work? Great. This is Brady.

[Brady]

Hi.

[Katie Nolan]

That's Brady. Maybe say two more words. I'm helping them establish your voices so they can tell the difference between them.

[Brady]

All right, it's gonna be jarring out of context, but I am the one that is not Australian. Spoiler alert.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay, well, giving away the game here. Next up we have Chris.

[Chris]

Hi. I'm the one with the Greensboro, North Carolina accent.

[Katie Nolan]

That's where he's coming to us from via Zoom. Even though it sounds like he's much further away. The time zones would be crazy if you were actually zooming into this from. What time is it in Australia? You know that in your biological clock, correct? 4:35am yeah, see, it's just how they're wired. And then last but certainly not least, we have Isabella.

[Isabella]

Hello. I'm the one with the woman accent.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm the girl. Isabelle's in studio with me, but she's, you know, she pushes buttons. So she's in a room directly to my left pushing buttons for us. So that's the crew. None of them are here, which sucks. But it's also, I understand you guys have, like, lives and families and so I appreciate you being here like this. Anyway, Katie, that's enough. Let's talk about the news. Um, Jimmy Butler, Six time all star Jimmy Butler has been suspended for the third time this month by the Miami Heat as he very blatantly attempts to force his way out of the franchise ahead of the trade deadline next Thursday. So for anybody you know, we are a casuals podcast. This may be too basic of a recap for you if you're deep in the Jimmy Butler drama. So just keep that in mind. But for the rest of you, I think it would be valuable to go through a bit of the timeline of events of what's been going on with Jimmy Butler. So last year, the Heat, in the postseason, Jimmy Butler was hurt and he said basically If I had played, we would have won. And I think Pat Riley, the. What president is his official. He's. The president said, basically. I'm paraphrasing, but not too hard. If you're not on the court, you should keep your mouth shut, which I assume Jimmy Butler wasn't a huge fan of. Then earlier this season, there was, like, an extension they were trying to agree on. They failed to agree on that. The Heat said they were not. They indicated they might be interested in trading Jimmy Butler. Then they came out definitively and said, like, we're not trading Jimmy Butler. Uh, and then January 2nd of this year, Butler indicated to the Heat he wanted to be traded. Then, like, the next day, he got suspended for seven games after, quote, multiple instances of conduct detrimental to the team. A phrase that, if you're new to sports, will come up a lot. It's a phrase that covers a whole mess of sins. Conduct detrimental. It's like, it really can be anything. It's anything we deem you've done that's detrimental to the progress of our team. January 22nd, Butler was again suspended. This time it was for two games for missing a team flight. He had indicated he would take his own plane and would meet them there. And they were like, don't stay. You're not coming. You're suspended. And then after being told he was being replaced in the starting lineup at practice on January 27, Butler walked out of practice, which then led to his third suspension of the month, and he's now suspended indefinitely. Look, this is a situation I think people have a lot of emotions around. I. To be clear, not a Heat fan. So this doesn't affect me directly. I'm coming from pretty much an outsider's perspective on this, and I've heard players share their opinions. I think I heard Paul Pierce say something like that he kind of understands it and that Jimmy Butler's so good that he'll help any team he goes to in the future. I've heard fans on, like, the Miami Heat subreddit, a place I go so you don't have to. I've heard them kind of say that this is pissing them off and ruining Jimmy's relationship with them and with the city that they viewed him in such high regard, and now he's throwing that all away. The guys on the inside, the NBA heard them talk about the. The different sides of it of, like, what do you owe to a team when you're under a contract? Even if you want to be traded, even if you're unhappy, do you have to show up and do your best. That's what you owe to your teammates. A lot of people are indicating that this is Jimmy being a really bad teammate because no matter what's going on with you personally, you are a part of this team. So show up and play. Although I'd say if he's not starting, he's not playing. So it's like, sort of not really. I get why he'd be annoyed by that. This feels like when you've got two friends that, like, don't want to date anymore but are still together for whatever reason, and you're like, guys, can you stop bringing this out to the hang? Like, stay home till you figure it out. Stay. Stay home. Figure it out. And then update us because we all see where this is going and watching it play out and the, like, indefinite suspension, which, oh, this is 2D2 games, and it's for this reason. And this is seven games, and it's for this reason. And then this one's indefinite for this indefinite reason. It's just like, we get it. He's not going to play there anymore. Get rid of him. The more this goes on, I feel like it. It's. It doesn't help make him more. It doesn't help the heat. I don't feel like it's making him appear more valuable to possible trade destinations. I feel like his value goes down in a way from this. Just based off of conversations. He's older, too. He's getting older. He's Jimmy Butler. Don't get me wrong. He can ball. But, like, this is it why we're dragging this out now. Chris, I know you're much more tuned in to basketball than I am. Do I sound nuts? What's your. What do you think? What's your take?

[Chris]

No, I think you're spot on. And I think it's sort of hard to really know who's in the right, who's in the wrong. It's a very delicate situation here. But Jimmy sort of put himself in a bit of a corner here because his contract. And I don't want to get too in the weeds because contracts are so boring, but it sort of puts into context how difficult it's going to be to actually move him because at the moment, his contract, he's making $49 million this year, and if you want to get traded, you sort of have to get that same amount of salary coming back, and that just limits the possibilities. Right? So there's not a lot that can really be done. But he's clearly out that relationship is clearly strained to the point where it doesn't look like he's going to be able to come back and play. So it's going to be fascinating to see what happens. The trade deadline is only a week away, so they haven't got a lot of time to hash this out. I'll give Jimmy Butler this. He is always entertaining. I don't know if he's always right, but he's always entertaining in some way or another, both on the court and off.

[Katie Nolan]

Very true. We also, we can't all always be right. I can, but other people, we can't all always be right. So what, tell me this, Chris. What happens if we reach this tread trade, the tread deadline in a week and. And he's still there. If they don't trade him by the deadline, then what? They keep paying him and suspending him for the seat. Like what do you even.

[Chris]

I assume it's just going to be to the point where he just fails to dress up for the rest of the season. They will find him per game. I think it's going to be about 500k per game that he misses. He will have to give to the team, which I, I haven't, I'm not going to try to do the math right on the spot, but he's still probably going to come out quite on top. So I don't know how much Jimmy Butler cares about that specifically, but that's probably going to be what it comes down to. I don't know if it's. I don't know if it's salvageable.

[Katie Nolan]

Also, just as a general note to the more casual fan, I completely understand the common refrain, especially at a time of, I guess, let's say economic unrest like we are currently in. I understand that instinct to be like, how much money to play a game? How much money? But you gotta a little bit separate from that. I know that it's obviously sounds like a lot more fun than what your job is and a lot more money getting paid than what you're getting paid at your job. It is the market and I think sometimes we hold that against a player. Sometimes when you hear about a player holding out and yada yada, I think people get very like, you're getting paid all this money to play a game and you don't even show up. And I think it is, it's the market, it's the way it is. You take any one person out of it and hold it up and say like, hey everyone, this guy makes all these millions to play basketball. And he won't even play. It's the way the market is. Put it in the context of the league. You get what you can while you play. You make the money that you can while you can. It would make no sense for an athlete to go, teachers make so much less than me. I think you should pay me what a teacher gets. It doesn't work that way. I know in an ideal world it would. It doesn't. So I do think you've got to separate yourself from that instinct. Chris, what were you going to say?

[Chris]

Yeah, that money exists within the league. Right. That money has to go to someone. And if it's not going to go to these players that everyone watches, guess who it's going to go to? The owners, the billionaires.

[Katie Nolan]

I thought you're going to say, surely.

[Chris]

You want to see.

[Katie Nolan]

I thought you were going to say there's. That would have been better that you have to cut a check. I mean, that then would make sense.

[Chris]

That'd be fantastic.

[Katie Nolan]

If we were complaining about the players making.

[Isabella]

That has a Jimmy Butler.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, exactly. That's what they should.

[Chris]

That'd be sick.

[Katie Nolan]

That's what it should. That would make sense then, to complain about Jimmy Butler's money. If the money not going to Jimmy Butler meant it was going to go to you, I would totally understand. Unfortunately, we don't yet. Yet live in that world where the franchise has to cut you a check when they don't cut one to an athlete. But boy, what a. What a world to dream about. Because now I'm thinking about all the money the Red Sox would owe me.

[Brady]

The worst omen for Jimmy Butler was September 30, 2024. Jimmy showed up to NBA media day. When they take your. You know, the NBA shows up, takes a headshot for every player, and that's the one they use. And all the. All the broadcasts and all the official materials for the. For the entire year. Jimmy had a history of realizing that he could mess with his appearance for one day and then for the rest of the year, that's what would be shown on TV in 2022. Jimmy showed up in like. He had a fake dreadlock wig on, like Milli Vanilli, length down his back, dreadlock, topical reference, House of the Dragon dreadlock wig.

[Katie Nolan]

There we go. I'm current problematic in a different way. Keep going.

[Brady]

Fair. And that was his head shot for the entire year. 2023. Showed up in like a My Chemical Romance emo wig with a fake eyebrow piercing on. And that was just emo. Jimmy was his Head shot for every broadcast. And they show, like, his stat line. Be like, oh, there's Jimmy and his bangs. He clearly, this isn't how he looks now, but this is.

[Katie Nolan]

Was that a wig? I don't think that was a wig. Didn't he just have style?

[Brady]

He just.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He just looked like emo. He was emojimmy, which is great and very funny.

[Brady]

So this year, people start putting out betting odds on, like, what is Jimmy going to show up with? How what's he going to do? Is he going to do, like, Dennis Rodman hair? There's complex put out full ads like, is Jimmy going to shave his head for this bit? Is Jimmy going to go with a Mohawk? Was +650 and Jimmy just showed up as Jimmy. Jimmy wasn't having fun anymore.

[Katie Nolan]

It does feel like if you're in a fight with a friend who invites you to a party, but it's not a big enough fight that you're not going to go, but it's a costume party. You're not going all. It's just like, it would be weird to have the energy that Jimmy and the team seemed doomed to have in a costume. You just feel kind of silly where you're like, well, I guess I'll take off my giant inflatable hat while I have a conversation with my boss about whether we can still work together for a whole season. So you're right. We should have taken that as an omen. We should have seen this coming. I just want it. I hope it just resolves itself. So the little push notifications of, like, Jimmy Butler suspended again this time for this reason, when we all know what's going on, it's just, like, annoying and a waste of time. And I feel bad for Miami fans. All right. Also, let's keep with basketball. Bronnie LeBron's son, Bronnie LA Lakers guard Bronnie. He logged a career high 15 minutes in the Lakers 118 to 104 loss to the 76ers on Tuesday night. In that time, in those 15 minutes of fame, he missed all five of his shot attempts and had three turnovers. Now, again, getting everyone up to speed, the conversation around Bronnie when he was drafted by the Lakers was, is this a Nepo baby Higher. I guess you could probably lose the. Is this. It was sort of just naturally, the conversation actually immediately went to, is it? Is Nepo baby actually okay in this situation, we didn't even debate whether or not that was why Bronnie was getting drafted. He, for Those of you who don't remember, he was a four star prospect out of high school. He ultimately committed to usc. A couple months into his time on campus at usc, he suffered a cardiac arrest caused by a congenital heart defect. And everybody handled that normal. Nobody was super weird about that. Remember that narrative? Thank God we didn't have a podcast for that. Um, then. Despite making a full recovery and returning to the court in December of his freshman season, his performance was still pretty far from impressive. Understandable, given what he's been through, but not really what you're hoping to see out of a guy your team might draft. And then they did. They drafted him with pick number 55 in last year's draft. The Lakers. And then together, LeBron and Bronnie made NBA history on October 22, when they became the first father and son to play together during the Lakers season opening win over Minnesota. And Bronny got his first NBA basket in Cleveland. Kind of interesting on October 30th at the arena where he watched his dad as a child. So basically, LeBron James and his son play on the same basketball team, and Bronnie isn't necessarily doing well. He did, we should mention, a couple days ago, last week. Right. Had a career high 31 points for the South Bay Lakers of the G League. And that's nothing to. I couldn't do that. I couldn't score a point in the G League. So who am I to say that 31 points in the G League isn't anything to write home about? I do think, you know, outsider perspective here, I think it feels like if, given what Bronny went through his freshman year of college, I feel like it would have made a lot of sense for him to maybe stay in college a little longer and then go to the league. I understand LeBron famously went from high school to the league. There was no college in between for him. So I, as far as getting advice from your father, who is one of the best to ever do it in the league you'd like to eventually do it in, I could see why that would not be the plan there. Also, given the fact that LeBron would be leaving the NBA eventually, many hope, in terms of trying to get out from under that shadow. Uh, and he would want to play with the sun. So the sooner the sun can get into the league, the better. But I just feel like freshman year of college is gonna rock ya. That's your first time away from your family. Everybody goes through a bit of like a, whoa, who am I? What am I? What is this? And to also suffer from a cardiac arrest amongst all of that upheaval in your life. I don't know. Want another year, maybe be a sophomore. Just get your feet under, you figure yourself out. Chris, you were mentioning before that the G League is very great developmentally. And so that could be the, the kind of thinking that they, that the James family had in terms of like, instead of staying in college, going into the G League. Right?

[DSW]

Yeah.

[Chris]

The last five, 10 years, I want to say, maybe a little bit longer. The G League's definitely improved in terms of its development of younger players. And you've seen in the last five or so years a lot of elite high school talent bypass college and go straight to the G League because they were able to get paid and because they knew that they were able to be developed in a lot better than they could have if they went into the G League 10 years prior. Right. So this system that they have in place at the G League now isn't too far removed from the type of development that you're going to get in college. So it allows Bronny and LeBron to be able to play together, which they already have. And we don't know how much time LeBron has in the NBA. So the first possible opportunity for Bonnie to come into the league, they took so they could actually have that moment. And it was, it was a cool moment. Even though Brony didn't do much, it was still fun to watch. And then you knew he had the option to go back to the G League and hone his craft there. So I think it's like he's picked 55. They didn't waste a lot of draft capital on him. He's doing things that any other picked 55 in any draft would have done. 31 points in the G League is pretty good, so he's clearly learning some things back there. He has basketball talent. Like you said, he was a four star recruit coming out of high school. Now, I don't know how much of that was just his name rather than anything else, but you know, he has some sort of basketball talent and he's going to continue to hone his craft in the G League and he could eventually be a decent rotation player in the NBA one day. We'll see how it goes. But yeah, this, this kid just has so much attention on him and so much pressure. And that just comes with being the son of one of the greatest ever basketball players that we've ever seen.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, I think that's like an underrated thing when it comes to Weighing a decision of, like, I don't feel like people give a lot of credit to, like, how difficult it is to do all of this in the spotlight, how difficult it is to develop and grow into the player you want to be when everybody's watching your every move. We're talking about the number 55p. Like, it's clearly different than if anybody else were taken at that time. And so I, I, I don't know. I feel like I hope the best for him because I, I think anybody, it's incredibly difficult. If my dad was, like, a super accomplished sports comedy podcaster, I'd be like, wow, this is, you know, the family business. And it's what I want to do. But, like, I want to do it separate from my dad and I, but I want to do it in honor of my dad, and I want to have learned from my dad, but I also don't want to constantly be. Especially if my name were like, Mikey, if my dad's name, if it was like, if my name sounded like a nickname for my dad, that'd be even harder. And I just feel like this, this kid has had, obviously, a lot of opportunity that other kids wouldn't have had, a lot of access that other kids wouldn't have had. But I think we should also give a little bit of credit to him for the amount of pressure he has that other kids would not have and how much attention we're paying to him, to his detriment at times. So I just, I don't know, I have a little empathy for, I guess, poor little Bronnie who's on the Lakers. I don't know. They just, it's, I don't know. People say stuff to you. People are wild to famous people, and especially famous people they feel owe them something or they feel don't deserve what they have. So I've just, you know, a heart attack, cardiac arrest, your freshman year of college, and people made it weird. People were weird about it. What?

[Chris]

There was a stage where he didn't know whether he was going to be able to play basketball again.

[Katie Nolan]

I know. So I just, you know, I hope he gets the development that he needs. I hope that his career is going in the direction that it should be and it wasn't interrupted by this wanting to get to the league to play with his dad. I'm sure everything will be fine. Let's move on.

[Brady]

Glad you're doing this, though, because the Nepo baby defense is a lonely hill.

[Katie Nolan]

I know. And I'm dying on it, I guess. And most Nepo babies. If you're get. I'm sick of hearing Nepo babies. Be like, I had to, but I had a lot. I had to work. I know you did have to work. You did have to work, but I. It doesn't behoove you to make that argument. You should only come out here and go, I know my mom and dad are two of the greatest actors alive and you've heard of them. It got me in a lot of rooms. I am so, so lucky. And now that I'm in the rooms, I'm gonna work my ass off because I know that that's what I would have done if my parents weren't who. They just never say, like, it's also been hard for me. Like, yes, I know. Because it's hard for everyone. Because life ultimately, sorry, kids, sucks a lot of the time, but it's been less hard for you in that one specific way. And just acknowledge that. Just say that because we're not gonna forget. We're not gonna forget.

[Isabella]

Did you see someone commented on one of the posts calling Dan a Nepo guest?

[Katie Nolan]

I did not see that. And that is a really good point that I'm glad you bring up.

[Brady]

Dan is the Gracie Abrams of this podcast.

[Katie Nolan]

Look, Dan put in work. Dan had to sleep with me to get on this podcast. And you don't often see men being accused of taking that path. And so I actually think it's good for visibility, good for equality, to have a man sleep his way into a sports podcast so that people can see it happens. Okay, Naomi GMA I want to talk about Naomi G. An incredible. An absolutely incredible superstar in women's soccer. Let me just read what it says. U.S. women's National Team defender Naomi Girma has broken the transfer fee record for a women's soccer player after Chelsea signed her from the San Diego wave for about 1.1 million. Really quick. I'm not going to get into it because money contracts bore me. That's not the money she's being paid. I think we find that out later. I don't think we know yet. Right? Correct. The 1.1 million transfer fee is what the team pays to the team. Correct? Right.

[Chris]

Yes. It's what the acquiring team plays to the selling team.

[Katie Nolan]

Right. So it is a record breaking amount in that way. It's not saying she's getting 1.1 million. She might get more. I don't know. I don't know what she's going to get. But she's broken a record for a foreign. You know, they're. They're they're getting her from us. Basically, if you're listening to this in the United States, the previous record transfer fee was set last year. So it's. It. This is what we're in that period in a lot of women's sports, this period of growth where we're going to see a lot of this. And that's a good thing. It's a good thing for these records to continuously be broken like that, because that means that the sport is moving forward. We're recognizing the value of these people. And look, when it comes to Naomi GMA if you are unfamiliar, if we're talking value, I don't know that I could point to anybody right now who's as high a value as Naomi G. Her first year in the nwsl, she was named Rookie of the Year. She also got Defender of the Year, and I believe she took her team to the playoffs. The second year in the nwsl, she gets Defender of the Year again. And she takes her team all the way. They win. She was in the, in that bad World cup that we don't talk about. She was the. One of the lone highlights was like Naomi Girma's consistent play in the Olympics. She was one of the superstars of that team. Not to mention she's very young. I'm looking at my paper to see if I wrote it down. I didn't, but she's very young.

[Chris]

24.

[Katie Nolan]

She's 24 years old. God. God, 24. What a time to be alive. She's very young. And also we won't get into it because I just don't want to drag the mood down. Please don't make me get into it. You can Google it. Her team that she was on, San Diego Wave, is going through a bit of a controversial time. There were lawsuits, suits and allegations. And so all of that, to me adds up to this making perfect sense. Now. I've seen a lot of people say, does this mean something bad for the NWSL if these teams overseas in other leagues are going to start coming and, and poaching all of the domestic talent over there? I don't, I'm not an expert, but to me, I don't think we're at a panic button time yet. I think something we learned during the World cup, the last couple World Cups, we've been having this conversation about the growth of the women's game and what that actually looks like in real life. And I think what that looks like a lot of the time is that other countries start investing in their women's programs and because of that, the competition gets stronger. Now that means that the US stops dominating the way that they have. Maybe it means it's more of a possibility for parody and that the competition won't be as one sided. And that stinks. If you're a girl who likes watching your team score a million scores, or a million if you're a man, is what I meant to say. If you're a fan of any gender who likes to watch your team score a million goals, of course you'd be bummed that that might not be happening. But in the. It's kind of a shitty thing that fans of like female sports have to do is you have to kind of go think about the bigger picture. It's not just about my team and the people that I like and things going the way I want. The bigger picture is that this momentum that's been largely pushed by our United States women's soccer team, the momentum they've been pushing, catching on means everybody else investing in their teams as well. Competition becoming stronger, some of our talent leaving to go over there. It's just kind of the nature of it. I don't think it's a bad thing yet. I don't think maybe, I don't know, flash forward to a couple years from now where I'm like, oh my God, they're taking all of our players. But like, I think this is good. I think this is ultimately good. And I think with the way that TV works, I mean, it's probably just as easy to find a Chelsea match as it is to find an NWSL game. So I don't know. I think this is good. I think Naomi Girma is good. I think I'm excited for her and Naomi Girma do the podcast Caitlin Clark. The big news this week is that Caitlin Clark was invited to the three point contest. Last year was when we saw right Sabrina up against Steph at the three point contest. This year, I think what they wanted to do was Steph Clay versus Sabrina and Caitlyn Clark. Caitlyn Clark has said she will not be participating in that. I'm seeing a lot of people talk about that as if, like she's scared or as if she's right to feel like there's only you can only fail. And I do think that maybe she had mentioned she doesn't like shooting off a rack. She'd rather have them like passed to her or whatever. But I don't think that's, that's the real reason she's not doing it. And I'm not Speaking for her, I'm just. From my vantage point, what it feels like is that she's saying, like, I'll be. I'm gonna do the women's. I think she did say, I will be doing the three point contest at the WNBA All Star weekend. And to me, that feels like Caitlin Clark doing what she should do, which is using her Caitlin Clark visibility, to be like, you come to ours. We did yours last year. Come hang out at ours. Especially because women. The WNBA All Star, I believe, is in Indianapolis this year. And so that's like her home. It's like her backyard. So she's like, come here. I'll be there. And I absolutely think they should do that. We did yours last time, and now you guys come do ours. Is that crazy? It's like a lot of people have recently caught on to this. Like, I'm an ally. I love women's basketball. And it's like, all right, then come to the women's basketball All Star weekend and. And shoot with me there. Because here's the thing about NBA All Star Weekend, and I don't want to look. I know a lot of people love it. I know I'm. I know that I'm already not the biggest NBA fan, but, like, the. It's. It's different now, right? We can say that it's different now. The dunk contest, when it first started was like, all Stars. It was All Star Weekend. All those all Stars are there, and then those all stars participate in a dunk contest. Now, since 2018, there have only been two All Stars that have participated in the dunk contest. DWIGHT Howard in 2020 and Jalen Brown in 2020 24. It's like, not. Did I just say 2020, 2024. It's crazy, but that's how old I feel. This year, the headlining dunk contest guy is Mac McClung, who I know dunks. I know him only from dunking. He has played in one NBA game this season. He's played in a bunch of G league games. Right? Brady is what you said, but he's not. He's not. I don't want to besmirch, you know, anybody, but it's. If we're. I wouldn't say that's all star caliber, but the guy dunks. He's like a specialist. I feel like the NBA All Star weekend has to embrace that. It has evolved into something else. The dunk contest is like a chance for guys whose names you might not know, like Mac McClung, to be like, hey, here I am. And here's what I do. I'm sort of like a dunk artist and like, that's cool. It's not. That's not what it was. That's not what it was when it started. And if we're gonna keep walking into it, hoping it's that old thing, I think people are going to be disappointed. But if the NBA can rebrand it as like, hey, it's. It's like if the NHL All Star weekend had like, hey, the enforcers are just gonna all fight and we're going to see if any of them can score one goal while out there. I mean, Brady just pulled back like, it's the best idea ever. And I do feel like I might have stumbled into something here. If you just put all enforcers on the ice, I don't know what the goal of it would be, but I guess just to knock someone out, give.

[Brady]

Them like comically sized gloves or something.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Brady]

We make a safe version of it.

[Katie Nolan]

Right?

[Brady]

There's room for specialists. Like, let's celebrate what they do.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Just like this is. It's NBA All Star weekend. You watch the all stars play good basketball and then kind of around that. You watch the people who love to dunk over cars and get given numbers by DJ Khaled question mark. You let them do their little spectacle. I didn't mean to say little. That sounded patronizing. You let them do their spectacle and then. I don't know. Have they even announced who's in the skills contest yet? I don't think they have. No.

[Chris]

I haven't been announced. Skills contest or three point contest? They haven't.

[Katie Nolan]

So it must be big names. That's why we're two weeks out and we don't know who. Yeah, I don't know. All Star games are an interesting conversation because they're like, supposed to be these big things for fans, but then you're also like, fans aren't like the fans that are. You're trying to bring in and celebrate. Maybe don't know who some of these people are. I just think Caitlin Clark made the right call. I think that it makes sense to me to. To just sell the dunk contest a little differently. If you're. As long as it's still going to be here and you're still going to have it, we know the big names aren't going to do it. For whatever reason, we seem fine with letting them not do it at this point. We've given up on. On fighting. So then, like, let's just call it what it is. But anyway, both the dunk contest and the three point contest, those are Saturday night of All Star Weekend, 8pm Eastern and 8:30pm Eastern. This is because I just sold it to you so. Well, in case you wanted to watch it. I want to tell you how to do that. And it's that's the All Star game is Sunday and that's on TNT, right?

[Chris]

Yes. And the all star weekend is the 14th through the 16th of February because.

[Katie Nolan]

The 14th is a Friday. College basketball because we haven't done enough basketball today. The University of Nebraska Omaha's men's basketball program is hosting a unique promotion this Saturday night. So if you're in town, boy, are you lucky. At their matchup against Denver, it's the Bring your own garbage can. Every fan in attendance at Baxter arena will be permitted to bring one 5 gallon or smaller plastic trash can to use as a popcorn container. Where did this come from, you ask? Good question. After each Omaha men's basketball win, associate head coach Kyan Brown kicks, hits or throws a trash can in the locker room. It's a celebration that has taken the college basketball world by storm, especially when they were on that nine game winning streak. Unfortunately, last night, Wednesday night they lost. So it's not a 10 game win streak. And I think here's the thing with when you plan a promotion, it's like we had to get it on the calendar and then now they lost and you're like, you could still bring your trash cans and fill them up full of popcorn. Um, just to get the statistic, all the information out of the way so we can get to talking about this wonderful topic. Saver Omaha is the exclusive concessionaire of Baxter Arena. I did not know we had such a fancy name for the people who give you that food concession air and they're providing bags of popcorn to fill up the garbage cans for $5. All containers must be clean and sanitized prior to entering the venue. So if you were planning to just show up without a trash can, find one on the way, dump it out and fill it up with popcorn. You're a nasty and be out of luck because you got to clean it out. They they reserve the right to refuse service to you if you're bringing them a nasty ass garbage can. This reminds me of a better idea which was the happy hour at my the bar across the street from where I went to college. Shout out Hofstra University, the Harvard of Long Island. And that was you could bring any container you wanted, any glass, any cup, any whatever you wanted. Actually I don't think it could be glass. Smart rule. And they would fill it with beer for the same amount of money. So you would, you know, kids would come in with big gulps before they got rid of those, which was a whole thing. Or you'd get like a big chalice or you could go in with it, just a big. And they would fill it for the same amount of money as a little plastic cup that they'd give you at the bar. Popcorn. I understand that you can at like a school sanctioned event get the kids blackout drunk, but popcorn? Are we. Are you guys flipping over backwards to fill a five gallon trash can with popcorn?

[Brady]

Am I in college?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Brady]

Because. Yeah, then that's going to be like free food lunch for three weeks.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Isabella]

How big of these garbage cans?

[Katie Nolan]

So I think in my mind, I think 5 gallon is like a bathroom trash can. Is that right?

[Brady]

Right.

[Katie Nolan]

It's not like a kitchen trash can. I think those are like 12.

[Isabella]

I was going to say that's a 13 gallons.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. So I think, I think it's like a bathroom trash. Like a little side trash under the desk. Trash at work.

[Isabella]

It's promoting sustainability.

[Katie Nolan]

It is. That is such a young woman on our podcast. Stance to take. And I love that.

I'm glad to be the.

You're our Greta Thunberg.

[Isabella]

Yeah.

[DSW]

A little.

[Katie Nolan]

A little older. Just a little. But they don't have to know. Who knows?

[DSW]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. I think if I had a five gallon container and I could fill it with food. The food I want is buttered noodles with pecorino Romano cheese on it. I could eat a five gallon trash can full of buttery cheesy noodles easily. I could put that. I could go through that in a basketball game. Easily done. Is there a food that you guys would rather eat out of a five gallon trash can?

[Brady]

I feel like I've done a five gallon trash can just full of crabs before. Crabs marylander. This is what we do.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, I know, but that's a lot of seafood. That's a lot of any meat. That's a lot of like, I feel like you'd be part crab if you at that point. That's a lot like, it's also a lot of work.

[Brady]

Like Father's Day eating crabs. Like you mark out like a four hour block.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh my God.

[Brady]

You take your wedding band off because like the hand is going to swell so much just from the sodium intake.

[Katie Nolan]

Great.

[Brady]

And you park it for the day like that. Give me. Yeah, give me. I don't know how many crabs are going to fit in a five gallon trash can? I'd love to find out. Like, that's a day.

[Katie Nolan]

I'd say 40.

[Brady]

I feel like I've done 40.

[Katie Nolan]

That's nuts. You're out of your mind. That is insane. You're a crab. You're not allowed to talk on the podcast anymore. Now that I know how much of you is a crab. Anybody else? Anyone else feel good about any food that they want to talk about?

[Isabella]

Honestly, they should just do water, like, at these games. Can't really like hydrating a water out.

[Katie Nolan]

Of a. I mean, you guys basically bring. This young generation basically brings a five gallon trash can with them everywhere they go, and they call it a Stanley, and they're just always with their giant waters.

[Isabella]

You gotta be hydrated and it's fine.

[Katie Nolan]

But how much water could you possibly drink?

[Isabella]

I mean, at these games where they charge like $7 for a water bottle.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, I mean, maybe I don't want.

[Isabella]

To use my garbage can to drink out of it. Yeah, maybe if they were like, you.

[Brady]

Know, carrying 40 pounds of water at that point.

[Katie Nolan]

Nuts. Chris.

[Chris]

There's an Australian snack called Shapes.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, I was gonna ask if it was Tim Tams. I was gonna ask if we were gonna have.

[Chris]

I couldn't have five gallons.

[Katie Nolan]

A five gallon. Oh, my God.

[DSW]

Oh, Vegemite.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, God. Don't, don't.

[Chris]

That'd be close. I love Vegemite.

[Katie Nolan]

You're not eating Vegemite too. When you eat Vegemite, you're not supposed to use that much. Like, I've watched people show me how to do it, and they're like, you butter the toast and then you just barely scrape this nasty shit, no offense, onto the top of it, and then you eat that and pretend you like it.

[Chris]

I love it. My daughter loves it. My daughter asks for it every week. I'm very proud of her.

[Katie Nolan]

What are shapes?

[Chris]

Yeah, shapes are essentially flavored. We call them biscuits, you call them crackers, and they have, you know, different flavors. Right. And my favorite one that I tried for the first time because it's a newish flavor that came out last year maybe or the year before. A chicken Parma. Shapes.

[Katie Nolan]

Chicken Parma.

[Chris]

Yeah. So each flavor of shapes are in the actual shape, like the biscuit, the cracker is in the shape of different things. So the shape of the chicken parma biscuits are the shape of Australia. What is good? Delicious.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, it's like a cracker, sort of.

[Chris]

Except it's got, like, flavored powder on top of it.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. So it's a.

[Chris]

And they are delicious. They are the one snack that I really, really miss. And whenever my parents come up to visit, I always ask them to bring at least two or three boxes of shapes.

[Katie Nolan]

Huh. And they're allowed to. This isn't one of those things you have to declare because I think Vegemite you're not supposed to bring in, right? Don't know, something like that.

[Brady]

I like the concept of your parents just muling illegal Australian crackers for you across borders.

[Katie Nolan]

All right, well, just. You should know while you're here, Chris, so long as you're here, it's chicken parm. Okay. We just drop after the m. It's just chicken parm.

[Chris]

I prefer Parma.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. And that's. And that's why if you want that, you can go. You can go.

[Isabella]

Are you telling him to go back to his country?

[Katie Nolan]

I didn't say some might. Jake Paul and Logan Paul have made a social media announcement on Tuesday that created widespread speculation that the brothers would fight each other. But it turns out the teased March 27 event on streaming service Max, formerly HBO. Very confusing if you were raised in a time of HBO and Cinemax both existing being separate things, will be a reality series rather than a boxing match. Calling it the moment you've waited a decade for. The posts featured a head to head shot of the brothers with a March 27 date and the MAX logo. Additional details were not not included in the posts. So it was clearly a bait and switch. The premise of the reality series isn't clear. I feel like I've disclaimered every single story we've talked about by starting and saying I'm an outsider. I'm not a fight sports fan. I'm not in that world. I will say, however, because of my inability to look away from a car crash that is promised, I've watched a number of Paul brothers fights. Now this also isn't something I'm proud of. I don't. I don't confidently know the difference between the two of them. They are interchangeable in my mind. I know that's unfair and I'm erasing someone's entire personhood. Here's the thing. I don't think I should be paying any attention to these boys at all. So the fact that I know both of their names to me feels like as far as I need to go. But you will not catch me trying to tell you the difference between the two of them. That's for somebody else. That's somebody else's podcast job. Mine is to let you know that these two guys have Been engaging in this type of behavior for so long. Long. And I understand that a lot of stuff in the fight world is promotion. I understand that almost, if not more than half of the brilliance of the way that this sector of sport operates is like, promoting a fight. It's like getting people to care. It's creating a storyline. It's creating drama. It's a good guy and a bad guy. It's a heel in a face. It's like a. It. I understand that. That's how it works, and I understand that in that way, these guys are so good at. Or their teams or whatever are so good at getting a headline of like, this YouTuber's gonna fight this fighter. He's an MMA guy, but he's gonna box. And it's a. But it. But it's a. He's a good MMA fighter. So he might kick his butt, and then he doesn't kick his butt. And then they're like, okay, now he's gonna fight this guy, and this guy was this guy, and he's gonna fight him, and he might kick his butt, and he doesn't. And then they're like, mike Tyson. Surely you've heard of Mike Tyson. Yeah, he's super old, but he's Mike Tyson. So there's a tiny chance that he could kick this guy's butt, and then he doesn't. And it's just like, how much longer are we gonna let these guys dangle a carrot in front of your face? That they've realized that all that anybody wants is to see us get our asses kicked. And they use that to make so much money and then never get their asses kicked. I'm done. I have. I'm tapping out because I need to. I know what's gonna happen here. They're gonna tease this reality show, and on the reality show, they're gonna make it seem in the previews leading up to it like these guys get in a fight, and then the first episode's gonna happen, and it's gonna seem like the fight might happen. And then of this reality show, it's gonna seem like it's building to this boiling point where a fight might happen. And then the last episode of the reality show is gonna be them about to fight, and it's gonna cut, and it's gonna be like, tune in for season two, and then for season two, they're gonna be like, the moment you've all been waiting for. And then it's gonna. Season two is gonna premiere, and they're gonna, like, hug and it's just gonna be more of this. Same like never is a Paul brother getting his ass kicked. You know, it's what we want. Stop telling me I'm gonna get it and give it to me. Somebody punch both of these people in their face and let me watch, and then maybe I'll participate again in your circus. But I like, I need it. I need it. Stop edging me. Punch that. Knock this guy out, and then maybe we can do it again. But I'm. I'm at the. I'm finished. Cute little promotion. Very cute. I will not be watching your reality show unless I find out one of you draws blood from the other. Do not care which won't know either way. All right, Utah hockey club. This is, you know, this is happening right now. The former Arizona coyotes team has been the Utah hockey club as a placeholder when they moved to Utah. The team expects to announce a permanent name and identity before the 2025, 26 NHL season. I, too, plan to announce my permanent identity with somewhere within the next few years still figuring it out. The new fan vote comes. It's what we're doing now. We're fan voting on the name after the u. S. Patent and trademark office rejected names and logos that Utah hockey club had submitted for approval. In particular, they rejected Utah yetis, which was widely assumed to be the franchise's eventual nickname. Obviously, yeti in the last few years has become a very popular, cooler brand. Or they also do, like. I was gonna say Stanley's, but obviously that's not what those are called. What are they, like, thermoses? Yes, a thermos. Thank you. Oh, look, Brady's holding up his yeti thermos. Not yet us. Not yeti, a sponsor of the podcast. But that's probably why that was rejected, because, like, yeti's kind of already something. A bummer because Utah yetis has that nice rare thing where it's a alliteration but with a different letter. So it wasn't like uu. It's u y. But it's both the y noise. You understand how language works. Utah yetis will not be the name. The three finalists they're saying right now for the names. Actually, first, let's do the names that didn't make the cut. The Utah outlaws, the Utah venom, the Utah blizzard. Those three picks, to me, make it pretty obvious there's no, like, overarching vision. They're sort of just trying things and will go in the direction that they're told to go. The name rejected was Utah yetis and the three finalists. Utah Hockey Club. I am who I told you I was all along. Utah Mammoth. Another entry into the sports team names that don't end in S, which has grown a lot in recent years. Used to only be, like, four teams. Now it's a lot. And Utah. I'm sorry, Wasatch.

[Brady]

Is that Wasatch?

[Katie Nolan]

Wasach. What? The Utah Wasatch is a finalist. And if anyone was wondering, that's the Wasatch Mountain range. And they would be using a yeti adjacent creature as a mascot. So that's basically like, we're the yetis. Okay. But they won't let us say that. So we're the Wasatch. I just think that's good. And I love. I love the passion and the support. But the thing is, isn't there already another word for yeti? If you're just going with yeti, not called yeti, why don't you just be the Ut. Abominable Snowmen.

[Brady]

That's really long.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. So's wasach. At least it's a word I've heard of before. At least we can make like abominable. We can have fun with that. Of how hard it is to say.

[Brady]

And if I may unofficially go by the bumbles. They would have to go by the Bumbles.

[Katie Nolan]

And then you could have Yukon Cornelius with his mustache. As you're like, you know, they have a mascot, but then sometimes they'll have, like, a fan guy that comes up. You could have Yukon Cornelius. I think that would be delicious. I also think controversial. Hear me out. I think we've reached a point in sports where if you're my age or older, you're a little bit off put by how the younger generations throw around the word goat, that it's like a constant. Goat. Goat. Everyone's the goat. I've. I'm in, like, a Call of Duty lobby, and I've got six goats, and I'm like, impossible that you're all the goat. Because that means greatest of all time. That's what that means. The. The. The meaning has been a little bit bastardized over the last few years. Right. And so controversial suggestion that I'm not even sure if I'm behind yet. What if they were the Utah goats and they just put an end to this whole thing? We sort of just solidify that that word doesn't mean what it used to mean. But they get to have the fun play on words. And it's an animal. So they could just be the goats. It feels like an obvious thing that eventually someone's going to make their team name, and then everyone else is going to be like, oh, we could have done that. I just. What if they were the Utah Goats? It's the worst thing I've heard.

[Brady]

Anything to avoid the problem where you can't refer to a singular player on the team as something.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. What's a was? It's a wasatch. This is a wasatchy.

[Brady]

So it's like, hey, he was a wasatch for two years, and then he got traded to the Bruins.

[Katie Nolan]

Right?

[Brady]

Like, that's tough. You can't say he was a Venom. He was a Venom, or he was on the Venom.

[Katie Nolan]

This happens with the Red Sox, too.

[Brady]

It's hard enough to say he was a Red.

[Katie Nolan]

He was a Socks, and you're like, I don't think that's. And he wasn't a Red Sock because it's not CKs, it's an X. So now we're just rewriting history. And so I think goats. It's an animal. Stick it on the front, People are gonna hate it. I think I might even hate it. It. But I think it's, like, time. I think it's time that we stop. And then. Then we'll stop saying go. It'll stop meaning that. And we'll come up with something more interesting to say because I'm so sick of hearing about the goats. There's too many goats. Okay. Lastly, really quick before we get to Natalie Nakase, I wanted. The Grammys are this Sunday, and that's very exciting. And I know Isabella and I at least, will both be watching and are very interested in what's going on there. So we're gonna run through the. What three big categories. We're gonna do best new artist, record of the year, album of the year, and just look, it's our podcast. We're gonna give our opinions of who we think, who we would pick in these categories. Tough. They're all stacked. They really are. But these are. These are your categories and your nominees. So best new artists will start there. Nominees. Benson Boone, Sabrina Carpenter. Dochi. Oh, no. How do you say that name?

[Isabella]

I've only ever read it, but my first thought is Kruangbin Same.

[Katie Nolan]

Kroangbin. Rae Chapelron. Shaboozy Teddy Swims. Is there always eight? That feels like a lot, right?

[Isabella]

That is a lot.

[Katie Nolan]

I know. All right, who are you? Who's your best new artist? Isabella.

[Isabella]

I think I'm gonna go for Dochi just because Chapel Roan. I love Chapel Roan, but I want Dochi to Get her flowers.

[Katie Nolan]

I know.

[Isabella]

I really want her to.

[Katie Nolan]

I hate this category because I feel like right now Dochi is. I love Dochi. I love everything happening around Dochi. Her late night performance where she had all their braids connected, I watched that 15 times. I think she's got, like, vision. I love her music. I'm obsessed. But I feel like Chapel Roan this year was like Chapel Roan's year. I mean, the crowd that she had at Coachella at anywhere that she played, the way she went from standing in Central park playing it on her keyboard.

[Isabella]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

To like playing in front of the biggest crowd some of these festivals have ever seen. I feel like you have to give it to Chapel Roan. I, I, I truly think I could name a bunch of people in. I mean, Sabrina Carpenter is also giant. I know. It's an insane. It's an insane. And Ray, I love Rhea. I think maybe the reason best new artist stinks is cause you're like, what if she didn't get nominated this year? You could have nominated her next year. I love that Ray got nominated. I urge everybody to go listen to that Ray album. It's very good. She's very, very talented and apparently puts on a wonderful live show. And is she performing at the Grammys? Isabella?

[Isabella]

Yes, I think so.

[Katie Nolan]

I think so too. So definitely keep an eye on her. But for best new artist, please don't shoot me. I'm going with Chapel Roan. Record of the year we have now and then by the Beatles.

[Isabella]

Did they do a re recording?

[Katie Nolan]

I don't know. Texas Holden by Beyonce. Espresso by Sabrina Carpenter. 360 Charlie XCX Birds of a Feather by Billie Eilish. Not Like Us. Kendrick Lamar. Good luck Babe by Chapel Roan Or Fortnite. Taylor Swift featuring Post Malone. Isabella.

[Isabella]

I'm gonna go with not like us. I know that's like, really? But that song was really iconic.

[Katie Nolan]

It was everywhere.

[Isabella]

It was everywhere. Not like us. If I were to pick a second, I guess I'll do Good Luck babe.

[Katie Nolan]

Let's see. We're doing the same thing. We're having the same conversation because Good luck, babe. The first time I heard that bridge, I cr. That song is such a powerful song about a thing that I don't think we had a perfect song about yet. And it's so good. It's such a good song. I have played that song out. I've listened to that song so much that it's, like, worn down on my ipod. Oh, my God. My ipod.

[Isabella]

Your ipod. Nano.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, My God. But it's. And 360 had a big year. I know. Like, that meant a lot to a lot of people. I've got to give it to Not Like Us. That song just was everywhere. That song diss tracks of years past have been like, hey, it doesn't have to be a good song. It's a diss track. And this was a good song.

[Isabella]

He made a hit.

[Katie Nolan]

It was a good song. It was everywhere. It brought people together in a way that was really cool to see. I just think, like, as in terms of a cultural moment, you got to give it to not like us. Absolutely. Sorry. Drake Album of the Year New Blue sun by Andre 3000. That's his flute album. Clarinet album. Yes.

[DSW]

Hell yes.

[Katie Nolan]

Cowboy Carter by Beyonce. Short and sweet. Sabrina carpenter. Brat Charlie XCX Digest Volume 4 is what that is, I Assume by Jacob Collier. Hit me hard. I'm old, Leave me alone. Hit Me Hard and Soft by Billie Eilish. The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess. Chapel Roan or the Tortured Poets Department by Taylor Swift. Isabella.

[Isabella]

This one's tough because in terms of, like, what was the album of the year like? Brat was like, it was all throughout the summer.

[Katie Nolan]

It was everywhere.

[Isabella]

It was everywhere.

[Katie Nolan]

Chartreuse was everywhere.

[Isabella]

Yeah, I love New Blue sun, but that's not gonna be my pick. I'm gonna go. Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess.

[Katie Nolan]

A great album. A really great album. Lots of good songs, front to back. I highly recommend Casual, but since you did that and look, I'm looking at Taylor Swift, and I know she's got a history in this category, and I know. I think I've made it clear without. I don't want your ire. I respect Swifties. I am. I do not count myself as a Swiftie. I also will say, just please don't yell at me. I don't think this is her. My favorite of her albums. So I am gonna go. Hit Me Hard and Soft was a great album. I think I'm gonna go with. I think I'm gonna. It's either rising for the sake of the podcast to not say the same thing that you're saying. I think I might go Cowboy Carter.

[MultiCare]

Okay.

[Katie Nolan]

By Beyonce. I. My thing with Beyonce albums, I'm not as on the. On the cutting edge as her. She's like a visionary. So I always get really into them, like a year or two after they come out, out because I'm late because I'm behind her. So I have not yet hit my moment with Cowboy Carter that I did with Renaissance, which was like, oh, my God, now I won't put this down. I'm obsessed.

[Isabella]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

But that performance and then the Netflix game, the halftime performance, it was the thing I needed to make me go, like, okay, let me get back in this album, because it's. It's bangers. And she's so talented. And I just think, like, nobody would have guessed she was going to put out a country album. And I just. Just feel like all of the discussion around what country was and how she isn't it, which makes no sense whatsoever on its face when you're letting Keith Urban come over here and say he's country. So what's the. What. What is it? We know what it is. And I just think I, I like the artistic vision. I like the swing she took. I'll just go with Beyonce. And I'll also say if anybody in here wins, mostly I'll be happy. Stacked Grammys this year. All right, we're going to get into our interview with Natalie Nakase, the new head coach of the Golden State Valkyries, right after this.

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[Katie Nolan]

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A couple weeks ago, I had the chance to sit down with the new head coach of the Golden State Valkyries, Natalie Nakase. It's the. A new expansion team in the wnba. We got one this season, and then I believe two more coming next season. Obviously, a very exciting time in the league. An exciting time for her to be a part of a. A city like Golden State. I know that's not a city, but you know what I'm saying with that ownership group, we talked about all of it and a little bit about her and her extraordinary life. So here is Natalie Nicolse first, most pressing Question I want to ask you. Natalie, first of all, thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. Can we get a little clarity? How much do you know about what a Valkyrie is? Because I watched the expansion draft, and Elle Duncan, who was hosting, had a little. She mentioned horses, and then her co hosts were like, I don't think horses are related. How much have you been briefed on what a Valkyrie is and what can you give us? It's not a quiz. I don't. I don't really know either.

[DSW]

It's a woman warrior.

[Katie Nolan]

That's right. That's right. Period, I think. Yeah. Period.

[DSW]

I mean, I heard about the. What did she say? Mount it?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. You're not into that. Okay. And I see why. You know what?

[DSW]

Hey.

[Katie Nolan]

And you know what? She should have caught that. You know, Elle's better than that.

[DSW]

A little intimate. I don't.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Do you have any suggestions other than if we don't, like, mount up. Do you have any, like, rallying cries? You've started working out in the mirror?

[DSW]

I mean, we could just go, roar. Like, you know, like, roar, roar, Roar.

[Katie Nolan]

Go, Valkyries, Roar.

[DSW]

I don't like that one.

[Katie Nolan]

We'll come. We have time. We have nothing but time. You've had such an impressive career to get here, a path full of firsts. You were the first female head coach of the Japan. The men. Top pro men's league in Japan. You were the first Asian American player in the now defunct national women's basketball League, RIP Also the first Asian American coach. Right. To win a WNBA title. You won two of them. No big deal. I know a lot of that is just like, you're like, I'm a third generation Japanese American woman that just wants to do this. I'm living my dream. But have you had any interactions with fans that have sort of put into focus for you the impact that you're having on a larger scale? I know that might feel like an ego y question, but.

[DSW]

Yeah. So actually, I was just on an interview last night, and the interviewer, her mom said she was very impressed, you know, and then she went back into her daughter, who was the interviewer, and she just said, why aren't you? Why can't you do that?

[Katie Nolan]

You know?

[DSW]

And I was like, oh, my God. I go, I'm sorry. Like, I didn't mean for that to happen. You know, she was Asian American. You know, Asian Americans, like, what are they called? Their mothers? What is that?

[Katie Nolan]

Tiger mom.

[DSW]

Tiger mom, yeah. So I think the tiger mom went out on her, but she. Congratulated. Me and hugged me. So, yeah, I mean, it's the fact that I could motivate and inspire all different ages. I think that's kind of incredible. You would think it's just kind of like a younger generation, but a mom. I mean, I think that was pretty cool.

[Katie Nolan]

It's very funny to think that the younger generation actually hates you because you're raising them. But you're like, now my mom thinks what I do isn't impressive because you're out here doing all of this. Another thing that stood out to me, we are the Casuals podcast. So there are gonna be a lot of people here that maybe aren't huge WNBA fans yet. And I think a universal thing that you've been through, they can maybe relate to. You mentioned in an interview that you've done, like, 30 to 40 interviews throughout your career for, like, this coaching. What have you learned anything about interviewing? Because clearly you're good at it. Do you have, like, keys, tips, tricks, things you've learned from the interview process of getting these jobs?

[DSW]

Yeah. So early on, right. I was really young, and so I laid out all these papers of, like, questions and questions and questions, because at the time, a mentor of mine was just like, just lay in everything out, right. So you're studying, studying, studying. And when it comes down to the interview, they didn't ask any questions. And I'm like, what the. You know, I'm like, that didn't work. But that was me because I'm a preparation person. So I constantly think, think, think, and prepare. Now, the best advice someone just gave me the other, I mean, recently, before my last one. Just be yourself.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Because that's what they say at the beginning. But you do need to go through the process of, like, over prepping to then arrive back at, like, yes, I'll just be myself.

[DSW]

Yes. And I actually think if I was told that advice early on, I think I would have been. I would have presented well, you know, because now I'm doing these interviews and everyone's like, nervous, nervous, nervous. I'm like, chill out. Yeah, just chill out. I don't need to know everything that you know. I just need to know you as a person.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[DSW]

I think that's what people are really looking for, is hiring genuine people and not so much how much they know, like, X's and O's and, you know, information, which you do.

[Katie Nolan]

She does know. Don't worry. Don't freak out. She's also very smart at sports and very good at basketball. One thing that stood out to me about your coaching philosophy, if I. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I got this from an interview. Was that you. You really emphasized losses, the way you are with your players in losses. And I want to hear more from you about that, because I. That's the most fascinating thing to me is watching elite athletes deal with loss. And I'm curious to know, like, what your kind of, like, approach to that is. How do you help keep spirits high and keep people motivated through difficult stretches?

[DSW]

Well, I think the first thing with a loss is, like, you have to learn and reflect, right? Like, learn what happened and what can we control. You know, was it the effort? Was it, you know, being intentional on your iq, on the game plan? Like, those little details, Those little details that you can control, those matter. So it's more about reflection after a loss, not blame. I'm not gonna point the finger or do anything, honestly, because I'm the coach. Coach. I'm taking the blame, right? Like, I'm the leader. So whatever they do, it's a reflection of what I taught them in the game plan, if that makes sense. So I take losses of more. Like, let's learn from it, let's get better, and then let's move on. And so, like you said with the confidence thing, I'm always throwing out confidence, like, because that's how you can play at your best is when you have confidence in the game plan and yourself.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, that makes sense. That's why you're a good coach. That's why your players speak of you the way that they do. It's an obviously very interesting moment for the WNBA right now. Expansion happening now, then more expansion coming in the next year. How. How does it feel to be, like, a head coach in this moment?

[DSW]

It feels great. It feels really great. Especially being, like you said, an expansion team, and then two. I mean, next year, two more are coming. So if you look at it scheme schematically, we kind of had a little bit more of an advantage, you could say, because now that we're adding two more teams, that's more spots. But now they're picking from our teams, you know, currently does, if that makes sense.

[Katie Nolan]

Yes.

[DSW]

Right. So we got a. I think a better pick, a better situation. So schematically, I'm happy. Like, I'm in a very good spot. The players that I picked, they're ultra competitive players, great human beings. Like, I can go down the line. And so, yeah, I. I am in a great position and obviously working for Golden State Valkyries like Joe Lake of one of the Best owners in sports.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[DSW]

So I'm sitting pretty.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Golden State's also just like a great fan base built in. I feel like you guys are gonna hit the ground running. Yeah.

[DSW]

I mean, the resources that he provides, like, Joe, like, he doesn't miss a beat and he wants to put us in a winning. I mean, shoot, he won four championships with Golden State, so he's just kind of laying down the foundation of like, here's your resources, coach. Now go win me a championship.

[Katie Nolan]

Are you starting to, like, okay, so when we win, I'm gonna put the. This will go like, you starting to decorate your house, like, getting ready for all the championships you're gonna win.

[DSW]

Pump the brakes now. Pump the brakes. Because it takes. It's a lot of hard work to win a championship. So I never want to, like, just foresee the future and just say, hey, yeah, this is where I'm gonna hang my banners. No, like, I know the hard work that's gonna put into the championship. And so let's just keep our feet on the ground and take one day at a time.

[Katie Nolan]

Not me. I'm getting ahead of myself. Clearly getting ahead of you, getting ahead of me. And I'm gonna. When you win that championship, I'm gonna go, we're friends. We've hung out.

[DSW]

You're coming to the parade.

[Katie Nolan]

I'll be there.

[DSW]

Okay.

[Katie Nolan]

I'll be there.

[DSW]

Appreciate it.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm a Liberty fan, I think now just cause I live here and I don't have any New York teams, and I felt like this was my chance to, like, have a New York team.

[DSW]

Okay.

[Katie Nolan]

But I. I.

[DSW]

Did you go to the parade?

[Katie Nolan]

No. So, I mean, what kind of a fan am I? You know me, it sounds like a fan that could maybe be wooed. I don't know if you guys have merch. That purple. That's a nice purple, Morgan. I'm a big fan of the purple.

[DSW]

Okay, so when we play here, you're sporting the Valkyrie. Silent.

[Katie Nolan]

I don't know. I don't want to get jumped. But maybe you won't get jumped. I could.

[DSW]

You could sit right behind me.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. Okay. Like this? Maybe I'm a Valkyrie fan. Look, I played God. Aw, war. I beat all the Valkyries. That might not mean anything to you. You're a very busy and physically active person, so I can't understand that making any sense to you. What else? I had other things I wanted to ask you about, but I also know we have to. You have a million of these to do. When do you start doing the Actual, like, basketball of it. When do you have to stop doing this and start, like, I want to do practice, actually. I know. I know you'd rather do that than this.

[DSW]

I mean, even schematically. I was going to pick your brain. Like, what do you know? Can you sit behind me? If you know any tricks or any.

[Katie Nolan]

Literally nothing.

[DSW]

Okay, so you're just a supporter.

[Katie Nolan]

I did coach the Celebrity All Star Game one year. Did you won. Okay, so you. You got. It had nothing to do with me.

[DSW]

Okay.

[Katie Nolan]

I kept yelling, mouse in the house. That's all I kept saying.

[DSW]

So what does mouse in the house mean?

[Katie Nolan]

That a small person was gonna be on the. And that you should, you know, go up against them. Exactly. That is key. I truly.

[DSW]

That's a key. That's key.

[Katie Nolan]

It helped.

[DSW]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

We got there.

[DSW]

Yeah. How did you substitute? Can I ask you that?

[Katie Nolan]

I. I mostly just was like, who do people want to. Who hasn't played yet? It's a celebrity game, so it was like, just. You get in, it's. You go.

[DSW]

Right. So that's. That's giving them confidence. Right. Everyone gets to play.

[Katie Nolan]

This is a good coach because you're making me just like. You did great.

[DSW]

You won.

[Katie Nolan]

Really? Yeah, I did. I beat Rachel Nichols.

[DSW]

Hey.

[Katie Nolan]

And she knows a lot about basketball, so just shows knowledge isn't everything, right?

[DSW]

It's a genuine. You must be a genuine person.

[Katie Nolan]

That's right. Good lady. You know I'm a good lady. All right, we're gonna do this rapid fire. I'm gonna say a bunch of names, and you're gonna give me your immediate reaction. If any of them you don't want to do, just be like. But try. Try.

[DSW]

I'm gonna try my best try. Not great at this.

[Katie Nolan]

Here we go.

[DSW]

Here we go.

[Katie Nolan]

Asia Wilson.

[DSW]

Amazing.

[Katie Nolan]

Amazing. Great. Becky Hammond.

[DSW]

Genius.

[Katie Nolan]

Ooh. Caitlin Clark.

[DSW]

Two words. Generational trendsetter. Generational talent.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[DSW]

Two words.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Also Athlete of the year. I think Ty just named her. Yeah. Diana Taurasi. Goat. Yeah. Lisa Leslie.

[DSW]

Inspirational.

[Katie Nolan]

Ah. Steph Curry. God.

[DSW]

Unbelievable.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Truly.

[DSW]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

The Olympics were crazy. Paul George.

[DSW]

Smooth. Just. He's finesse.

[Katie Nolan]

He's finesse.

[DSW]

Let's take finesse. He's finesse.

[Katie Nolan]

Simone Biles.

[DSW]

Oh, God, she's so many words. She's an icon.

[Katie Nolan]

She really is an icon. Now, not to out icon, but Beyonce. Oh, gosh.

[DSW]

Legendary.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. You're very good at the like. Well, that word's taken. So we'll do this adjacent word. Good at synonyms. Pete Bonney.

[DSW]

Oh, my gosh. Tough.

[Katie Nolan]

Tough.

[DSW]

Yeah. He's very tough on me.

[Katie Nolan]

How do you know that the Internet exists? Okay. Natalie Nakase.

[DSW]

Oh, gosh. Savage. Ooh. Ooh.

[Katie Nolan]

I would have been, like, tired, ready to go. Savage, the Savage head coach of the Golden State Valkyries. It's pretty cool thing to be. Thank you so much for being here. Good luck this season. We're rooting for you. I'm. I'm rooting for you.

[DSW]

I'm getting your gear. You're sitting behind me.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm rooting for you.

[DSW]

Let's go.

[Katie Nolan]

Don't be mad at me, New York.

[DSW]

Go, Valkyries.

[Katie Nolan]

Go, Valkyries. Mount up. Maybe. No. No. All right, everybody, that's it for episode four. I should stop counting them because I'm gonna lose track eventually. But it's only four. So that is it for episode four of Casuals. Big thanks to Natalie Nakase. Big thanks to the producer team who you now all know, Brady, Isabella, and Chris. Big thanks to you guys for listening and for subscribing. Right? Because we're all doing that because it doesn't cost anything. You just hit a little button and you say, subscribe, and then the people who are in charge of stuff look at that, and they go, look at all those people that subscrib. We should put money into this and put full videos up on YouTube. So let's just be hitting subscribe. You know, hit subscribe. And you don't even should listen. You should at least download them. I don't know, guys. I'm not gonna tell you what to do. Just if you like it, make sure you let that be known. And I've seen a lot of you commenting that you told your friends to listen because you're like, I think this would be good for you. I think you want to get into sports. That's awesome. More of that. Keep that up. Spread the word. Tell people that you love to listen to this podcast if you think they'll like it. That's very helpful to us in these early, early days as we figure stuff out. Leave a raid, a review or whatever. Send a tweet, talk about it, whatever you have time for, whatever you can handle. Send us an email. That's right. If you have anything you want us to talk about, if you have any questions or if you have any, like, hey, this happened in my family about fandom, and we were wondering who's right and who's wrong. We would love to litigate all of your personal disputes. Send those to us at Casuals with katie [e-mail]. i know it's long, but, like, everything's taken because. Because the Internet's all bots. Okay. I love you so much. I mean it. And we will see you on Tuesday. Bye.