Super Bowl Outrage, Shrimp in the Rain, and Cowboys Glory Holes | with Dan Soder

Summary

Casuals with Katie Nolan: Super Bowl Outrage, Shrimp in the Rain, and Cowboys Glory Holes | Summary

Episode Release Date: January 28, 2025

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1. Introduction

In the third episode of Casuals with Katie Nolan, host Katie Nolan welcomes stand-up comedian Dan Soder to discuss a football-centric episode coinciding with the Super Bowl buildup. Katie sets the stage for a deep dive into NFL topics, including contentious Super Bowl advertisements, the Kansas City Chiefs' journey to the Super Bowl, and various coaching changes within the league.

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2. Frustration with Super Bowl Advertisements

Katie opens with a passionate rant about the overwhelming presence and repetitive nature of Super Bowl advertisements. Highlighting a trend where ads for ads dominate the conference championship games, she expresses her disdain for companies leveraging celebrity appearances to mask the commercial intent.

"[12:15] Katie Nolan: I'm just sick of the ads. It's just constant commercials that Matthew McConaughey, I think, sent me into a spiral this weekend."

Dan echoes her frustration, emphasizing the lack of genuine creativity in these high-budget commercials.

"[12:17] Dan Soder: It's just constant commercials… I might never use UberEats again."

They critique specific ads, such as UberEats featuring Matthew McConaughey's over-the-top Ditka impersonation, which Katie finds unconvincing and off-putting.

"[14:36] Dan Soder: So, the Super Bowl ads are just… enough, man. Enough."

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3. AFC Championship Game Recap

The conversation shifts to the AFC Championship where the Kansas City Chiefs narrowly defeated the Buffalo Bills 32-29 to advance to the Super Bowl. Katie highlights the Chiefs' dominance in playoff matchups against the Bills, contrasting it with the Bills' regular-season successes, yet their continued inability to secure a Super Bowl title since 1993.

"[14:28] Katie Nolan: The Chiefs have won all four postseason matchups between the teams, while the Bills have won all four regular-season games."

Dan expresses his frustration with the Chiefs' recurring success and the impact on Bills fans.

"[14:37] Katie Nolan: Yeah."

"[14:38] Dan Soder: So the Dallas Cowboys."

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4. Super Bowl Experience

Dan shares his personal experience attending the Super Bowl in 2019 with Katie, detailing the high costs, the inauthentic fan environment, and the emotional toll of witnessing a loss.

"[18:10] Katie Nolan: And then it doesn't. And you're covered in the other team's confetti."

"[18:14] Dan Soder: And you just want to roll on your tummy and go to sleep."

The duo reminisces about the surreal atmosphere of the Super Bowl, contrasting it with the genuine excitement of attending conference championship games.

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5. NFL Coaching Changes: Cowboys Hiring

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the Dallas Cowboys' decision to hire Brian Schottenheimer as their new head coach. Katie critiques Cowboys owner Jerry Jones for politicizing the announcement and undermining Schottenheimer's credentials by referring to him as a "career assistant."

"[38:32] Katie Nolan: Jerry Jones in the quote about hiring Brian Schottenheimer as the head coach, said, quote, 'Brian Schottenheimer is known as a career assistant. He ain't Brian no more. He is now known as the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.'"

Dan humorously compares the situation to a personal relationship, expressing skepticism about Schottenheimer's capability to lead the high-profile franchise.

"[38:36] Dan Soder: He didn't legally change it to the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Imagine, like, being taken to Thanksgiving dinner to meet your significant other's family and they go like, she used to be a fucking land monster..."

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6. Shador Sanders and Tennessee Titans

The discussion moves to Shador Sanders' recent interview with the Tennessee Titans, which notably included a FaceTime call from his father, Deion Sanders. Katie and Dan debate the appropriateness and potential distractions of having a parent involved in such a public and professional setting.

"[44:07] Katie Nolan: Did you see the Shador Sanders story that he interviewed with the Tennessee Titans, who have the number one pick?"

"[44:34] Dan Soder: If I'm Shador, I'm doing the like, dad, stop. I want to talk to the Titans."

They balance recognizing Deion Sanders' positive influence with concerns about overbearing parental involvement.

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7. Paul Skeen's Rookie Card Story

Katie introduces a fascinating story about an 11-year-old baseball card collector who found a one-of-one rookie card featuring Paul Skeen. The Pirates' attempts to acquire the card through unique offers were met with the boy's determination to sell it for seven-figure sums, highlighting the intersection of youth enthusiasm and high-value sports memorabilia.

"[48:37] Katie Nolan: This is a one of one card. It's the only one that exists for Paul Skeens. An 11-year-old baseball card collector found that card."

Dan humorously critiques the Pirates' attempts to entice the boy with experiences over direct monetary compensation.

"[49:31] Dan Soder: My buddy is a Cowboys fan. I know he's gonna listen to this and be like, oh, it sucks, because Jerry Jones just isn't doing anything where good owners get out of the way..."

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8. Kendrick Lamar's Super Bowl Performance

The episode touches on Kendrick Lamar's role in the Super Bowl halftime show, where he plans to perform a diss track directed at Drake amidst ongoing legal tensions. Katie and Dan speculate on the potential impact and execution of such a performance, balancing artistic expression with public relations considerations.

"[54:20] Dan Soder: If he did pretty. [He was] gonna do all of them. If he did pretty."

They discuss the strategic placement of diss tracks in high-profile performances and its possible reception among the audience.

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9. Upcoming Sports Events

Before wrapping up, Katie and Dan highlight key sports events for listeners to watch:

• College Basketball: UNC vs. Duke rivalry game featuring standout player Cooper Flagg.

  "[60:56] Katie Nolan: Duke, UNC, maybe, maybe Bill Belichick will be there with his, with his girlfriend."

• NHL: Winnipeg Jets vs. Washington Capitals, two leading teams with the highest points in the season.

  "[61:48] Chris: The Jets are playing at the Capitals on Saturday night as well at 7pm Eastern."

• Women's 3x3 League (Unrivaled): Introduction to the new league featuring top women's basketball talents competing in dynamic matchups.

  "[62:14] Chris: …the LA Sparks have sent back the number two overall pick to Seattle."

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10. Closing Remarks

Katie concludes the episode by encouraging listeners to subscribe, leave reviews, and engage with the podcast via email and future voicemail segments. She extends birthday wishes, creating a personal and warm ending to the episode.

"[58:07] Dan Soder: Deal."

"[58:28] Dan Soder: Let's go eat junk food and sit in our sweats."

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Notable Quotes:

• Katie Nolan on Super Bowl Ads:
  *"[12:15] 'I'm just sick of the ads. It's just constant commercials that Matthew McConaughey, I think, sent me into a spiral this weekend.'"

• Dan Soder on the Chiefs' Dominance:
  *"[14:38] 'So the Dallas Cowboys.'"

• Conversation on Coaching Changes:
  *"[38:32] 'Brian Schottenheimer is known as a career assistant. He ain't Brian no more.'"

• On Shador Sanders' Interview:
  *"[44:34] 'If I'm Shador, I'm doing the like, dad, stop. I want to talk to the Titans.'"

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Conclusion

This episode of Casuals with Katie Nolan offers a blend of humor, candid opinions, and in-depth discussions on current NFL dynamics, Super Bowl culture, and intriguing sports memorabilia stories. Dan Soder's comedic insights complement Katie's spirited take on the commercialization of sports, making for an engaging listen that balances passion with levity.

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Tune In Next Week

Join Katie and Dan in the next episode as they continue to explore the latest in sports, comedy, and entertainment, ensuring that whether you're a die-hard fan or casually interested, there's something for everyone.

Transcript

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[Katie Nolan]

Hello and welcome to the third episode of Casuals, the sports podcast that doesn't care what you know. Truthfully. Like bring your knowledge or don't. We're just here to kinda chat. I'm Katie Nolan, your host. I'm gonna be joined today by Dan Soder, a wonderful stand up comedian who, who you may know from Billions on Showtime or his HBO special Son of a gary or his YouTube special on the Road with Dan Soder or from Putting a Ring on My Finger. We're going to get married eventually. We're going to talk about, Listen, it's a lot of NFL today, very football heavy. This is what happens when you launch a podcast in January. It's just we're going to be very football heavy. But I want to make sure that our new listeners know that we will be covering all sports. Mostly it's just like so much football is going on right now. So we're going to talk a lot of football. We're also going to talk about a, a very pricey baseball card that's out there. We're going to talk about like head coaches in the NFL. There's a lot to talk about and we're going to get to all of it. But we start this podcast like we start every podcast by letting me yap and boy do I have something passionate to yap about. Today we are, we have reached that two week period of the sports calendar where there's like nothing until the Super Bowl. It's like we're just kind of building up to the super bowl. And what we, what that usually means is, is ad content and there's this thing that's been happening these last few years, this trend that's like driving me nuts. And it was really driven home during the conference championship games this weekend. I saw so many ads for ads. What are we doing with ads for ads? Like, I understand if you're a company that spends $7 million for the spot alone of a Super bowl ad. 30 seconds, about $7 million. I understand you want to get your money's worth. You're paying on top of that 7 million, whatever talent you've decided to add into your commercial. And if the recent years are any indication, all we're doing now is just shoving multiple celebrities into an ad and calling it creative. So it's a lot of money, and I understand that to make these ads, but please don't act like I'm as excited about your ad as you are. It's an advertisement. If I could push a button and opt out of seeing it, I would. What I definitely don't need to see running for a week or two before the super bowl is a teaser ad for your ad. It's like when you watch a YouTube video, if you're like, oh, what was that, you know, commercial that they ran during the super bowl that I missed? I just want to see it because everybody's talking about it. And you got to watch an ad before the YouTube video of the ad. Like, what are we doing where people are like, yeah, do you see that? Do you see that? Matthew McConaughey Uber Eats Preview super bowl ad where he prepares to be Mike Ditka and takes forever to have a convincing Ditka impersonation. Something that if you're playing Ditka, you should have ready or be closer to before you start trying to do it to the mirror. What the hell is that? I might never use UberEats again. Millennials, they say statistically are the most advertised to generation we've ever seen. We are constantly hit by advertisements on our streaming services, even the ones that we pay for on cable tv. That some of us, it's going soon, but some of us do still have it. I'm raising my hand because I do. I don't like cutting cords. Ads are friggin everywhere. We are constantly being bombarded with content. Influencers are giving us ads that they are legally supposed to disclose to us. But a lot of them, let's be honest, are, aren't doing it. And so everything is an ad. And what I want to make sure is that we don't let these advertising companies make us feel like we should be grateful for the content. I don't want us to start treating it like a show or like a, you know, piece of creative content. It's not. It's an ad. It's trying to sell you something. And the. The time I noticed this was when people started getting excited about reunions of much loved, like, casts from shows happening in an advertisement. There was a Mean Girls reunion that we were teased. That turned out to be an advertisement. There was a Scrubs reunion where everybody was so excited they were going to reunite the best friends from Scrubs. It was for cable. It was for a cable commercial. The Office has reunited for a commercial. What was the big one that I saw this year? Somebody being teased of, oh, it's something. When Harry Met Sally. And they're like, this might be the. A big reunion that we've all been waiting for, for an ad. For an ad. If you want to bring back these great franchises that we all love, these television shows, these movies, if you want us to feel that nostalgia, make a show. Like, make a movie. Make an Internet video. But don't. Don't make me grateful for an ad. Don't make me like, oh, thank you so much, Comcast, for bringing the guys from Scrubs together and making them sing a song. And here's why it pisses me off, because it's like, ads are never going to be written in a creatively free way. Like, if you've ever worked on an advertisement, the people with the final say are the money people. It's the ad people. It's the people who are like, hey, legally, that could be dicey for us. So we're going to play it as safe as humanly possible with our script. We're not going to take any huge risks because we don't want to actually piss people off. And so you're getting these, like, reunion. It's great content with these people that we love. And it's like, yeah, the copy was written, but it was just, this is an ad. I'm just sick of the ads. It's just constant commercials that Matthew McConaughey, I think, sent me into a spiral this weekend. I was like, are you teasing a t an ad? What is this? And there's just going to be so much AI Remember last year, the ads were dystopian. Last year I. Last year I maybe partook in some substances before watching the super bowl. And I watched it alone. And I really do not recommend that, because to make your brain pliable for the moment when every company on Earth lines Up to convince you to buy it is not a good idea. But it was just very dark. There was just a lot of, like, you know, I'm depressed. I feel like I should disclose that I have depressed, suffer from depression. I'm medicated, and I'm working through it. But it's a very hard time to be depressed because everything is sort of backing up evidentiarily. Like, what I feel. It's like everything kind of feels like it's going to. So basically the point of this yap is like, cut it out with making me feel like I should be excited about your commercial. Just sell me whatever you're trying to sell me and get out of the way. And if you find that, well, that's too expensive to spend, the 7 million, plus the 5 million we have to pay Shane Gillis to be in our commercial. If that's too expensive for you, then, like, make a different choice because I'm not. It's not making me want to use your product anymore. I never really used Uber Eats, but now I'm not going to because McConaughey. And also, when did he become king of commercials? When did Matthew McConaughey become, like, yeah, I'll do. I'll do this ad for Salesforce, which if we're getting into it, and let's not, because we're already eight minutes into a yap, but if we were to get into it, that Salesforce commercial makes no sense that an AI would book him a reservation properly, but because it was booked by a human, it was booked outside, question mark. In the rain, question mark. And the waiter wasn't told he doesn't like shrimp cocktail. Why? Those are mistakes an AI would make. Why is Woody Harrelson sitting underneath a thing and he's safe from the rain? And your dear friend is. Why would you sit in the seat if they made you a reservation and it's pouring rain and the reservations outside, why would you sit in a seat? You wouldn't. Matthew McConaughey. All right, all right, all right. That's enough for the apple. Uh, you know, I just hate ads. I'm just sick of being advertised to. Leave me alone. Leave me alone. Okay, let's. And now time to hear from our sponsors.

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[Katie Nolan]

Dan Soder.

[Dan Soder]

Hi.

[Katie Nolan]

Thanks for being here.

[Dan Soder]

Thanks for having me.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, of course.

[Dan Soder]

I love your living room.

[Katie Nolan]

Thanks. Yeah, I do my podcast outside of the house so you don't have to vacuum when Davitel's coming over.

[Dan Soder]

You guys don't want to be in a bunch of dander and oh my.

[Katie Nolan]

God, her house is full of hair. There's nothing I can do.

[Dan Soder]

We're that. But it is fun. I mean, the moment that was the funniest was when Dave Attell was on my podcast and he came in the living room and sat down on the chair.

[Katie Nolan]

He sat on the chair that Myrtle sits in. Myrtle's our dog. And he sat down and you just. It's backlit by the sun and you just see this big cloud of hair, like Pig Pen. Just this big poof of Myrtle's hair pop up.

[Dan Soder]

And we had a giant stack of mail. Cause we didn't go through our mail. And Dave Patel just sat, plopped down and all that hair kicked up. And he went, I'm here just to open the mail. One of the greatest moments of our apartment.

[Katie Nolan]

Mortifying. Mortifying. But the podcast we're discussing that you can go listen to now is called Soder.

[Dan Soder]

It is. And that is our office.

[Katie Nolan]

Yep. That's our house. That's why I chose from there. Cause I don't want it to look like yours. I think that makes sense to have separation.

[Dan Soder]

I like your new place.

[Katie Nolan]

Thanks.

[Dan Soder]

Moved out.

[Katie Nolan]

You can listen to Soder wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch Son of a Gary on hbo. Still Max. Yeah, Max. And then on the road with dan Soder on YouTube.

[Dan Soder]

Give that a click.

[Katie Nolan]

You could even go back if you want. You could go to season one of the Stand Ups.

[Dan Soder]

No, don't. Don't do that. Please don't do that.

[Katie Nolan]

It's Comedy Central half hour.

[Dan Soder]

No, no.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Dan Soder]

You don't need to see any of.

[Katie Nolan]

This called not special.

[Dan Soder]

Stop it.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm just testing myself to see if I know your whole resume. You do great. Or you could watch his old appearances on a show called Garbage Time or a show called Always Late. If you guys want to see Sparks before we knew. Okay, today is very football heavy. We have to disclose Dan's fandom. I know. Last week we had Stavros, who was obviously a big Baltimore Ravens fan. Dan Soder is an emotionally attached San Francisco 49ers fan.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, that is the. That's the appropriate way to say that. I am a. I am emotionally attached to the San Francisco 49ers and I'm feeling good right now. I'm feeling third day of sobriety. Good.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Dan Soder]

You know what I mean?

[Katie Nolan]

That's very specific.

[Dan Soder]

That's how Niners fans feel right now. Where we're like, we kicked it. We. Robert Sal is back.

[Katie Nolan]

We're going to get to that. Don't jump the gun. We're going to get to that. I just wanted to disclose your fandom so that when you come out of the gate here hot mad at the Chiefs, people know where that sort of comes from.

[Dan Soder]

I don't think I'm mad at them. I just have a fundamental hatred for them.

[Katie Nolan]

Sure. It's a potato. Potato. Yeah. Also just for the record, Nuggets, I'm.

[Dan Soder]

All over the map.

[Katie Nolan]

Giants and Boston Bruins, we got them.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.

[Dan Soder]

I'm cousin, my dad, Bay area, so Giants, Niners. My mom raised me in Colorado, so I'm a Nuggets fan. That was the one team I picked. And I love Katie Nolan and the Nolan family. And so now I love the Boston Bruins.

[Katie Nolan]

Shout out.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Love that. Okay, we're going to start with the AFC Championship game. The Kansas City Chiefs beat The Buffalo Bills 32 to 29 in the AFC Championship Game to advance to super bowl licks. Lax with a chance to become the first team in history to win three consecutive Super Bowls. This is the fourth time in the last five years the Chiefs have beaten the Bills in the playoffs during that time, while the Chiefs have won all four postseason matchups between the teams, the Bills have won all four regular season matchups, and the Bills have still not reached the Super bowl since 1993, which was famous. Obviously the fourth time in a row that they lost it.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

So the Dallas Cowboys.

[Katie Nolan]

The Chiefs beat the Bills or Josh Allen.

[Dan Soder]

I love Josh Allen primarily because he grew up a 49ers fan, and they always show that picture of him as a kid. In 49er stuff. And you're like, all right, good for you, Josh Allen. That's why I always have a soft spot in my heart for Tom Brady. But hasn't the city of Buffalo been through enough? Truly, haven't they been through in. Haven't we been through enough in the NFL of having to watch Kansas City? The psyop of getting Taylor Swift to date Travis Kelsey, and then the non calls. The abundance of non calls if you live outside of Kansas or Missouri. No one likes. No one likes the Chiefs. No, we don't like you. No one's going like, oh, but now they're starting to do this. Some people in. In sports are doing this thing right now where they go, I. We're witnessing greatness. We're w. It's like, okay, fuck them. They beat. I'm mad because they beat the 49ers in two Super Bowls. Two Super Bowls that the 49ers were up by 10. Two Super Bowls that Kyle Shanahan probably could have ran the ball, controlled the clock, and got two more victories. Two Super Bowls that they never called holding on the offensive line when we had the best defensive line. I mean, in years.

[Katie Nolan]

Super Bowls that I was at. You were at.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, I watched it.

[Katie Nolan]

For anybody that doesn't know, going to the super bowl is a strange experience.

[Dan Soder]

It's a lucky experience.

[Katie Nolan]

It's a very lucky experience, but it is a lot less. It feels a lot less organic fan, and it feels a lot more. Marketing budget allowed us to send our people to this.

[Dan Soder]

There's.

[Katie Nolan]

There are fans, but it's a very expensive ticket. The hotels are very expensive. So a lot of the times it's like work stuff or it's like sponsors or it's.

[Dan Soder]

And so a lot of guys in fleece. It's a very lot of guys that I dressed up and pretended to be on Billions.

[Katie Nolan]

But to be at a Super bowl when your team loses is a. Is a. It stinks.

[Dan Soder]

I would honestly, if someone would have came up to me and gone instead of flying to Las Vegas and being around a bunch of drunk, obnoxious people. We can just. You can give us $20 and we will punch you dead in the stomach. And then you can just stay at home. I'd go like, here's 20 bucks. Because you don't understand when we've both been lucky enough to also go to conference championship games. Yes, when you go to a conference championship game, it is, fans. It is. I got to go to the Green Bay 49ers NFC championship game. In Santa Clara, it's. I mean, the stadium is rock. Packers, Niners goes back. We want to beat Aaron Rogers, who's from California. It is the peak fan experience watching your team win a conference championship. You're. The whole stadium is there. Even if you're on the road, it's great because the fans that are there, you're super into it. Even the other team, when they lose, they go like, good luck in the Super Bowl. There's like a thing of. There's one more thing. You go to the super bowl, and it is just the emptiness of a. Of a stripper. It's like that kind of authenticity where you're like, this just feels gross. It's just corporate and. But you get high on it. You get high of, like, we're at the championship.

[Katie Nolan]

This is the peak of the man.

[Dan Soder]

We're at the Super Bowl. Our team, this. This group. Every fan says this. This group of guys. This group of guys is so special. And you get to this point where you're like, it's going to fucking happen. And then they go.

[Katie Nolan]

And then it doesn't. And you're covered in the other team's confetti.

[Dan Soder]

There you go.

[Katie Nolan]

A nightmare.

[Dan Soder]

Ew. And you just want to roll on your tummy and go to sleep.

[Katie Nolan]

Kick your feet up and watch some videos and go to sleep.

[Dan Soder]

Sucks. And the worst part was I. You got me a ticket in 2019. Yeah. We had just started dating and trying to impress him. I mean, what a way to impress me. Also, one of my childhood friends at the time was the running back coordinator. Mike McDaniel was on the 49ers now.

[Katie Nolan]

The head coach of the Dolphins, for the record.

[Dan Soder]

Was very fun. There was a very fun moment in the hotel the night before the super bowl because you were still at espn, where we went up to Mike's room and he was like, do you guys want to see the first 15 plays scripted?

[Katie Nolan]

And by the way, it means nothing to me. I don't know what any of that is that you're showing me. I can't help.

[Dan Soder]

It was calculus.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. I'm not going to be able to tell anybody what that was or what it says.

[Dan Soder]

Fifth play is jet boot 77 right swing. And you're like, no one fudgeing knows what that is. But.

[Katie Nolan]

Except Mina. I could have probably texted Mina and.

[Dan Soder]

Told her, you could have taken a picture and got it.

[Katie Nolan]

Check this out.

[Dan Soder]

And she's a Seahawks fan. She would have wanted our demise. But I remember specifically, Mike was, like, showing. And then he stops and he, like, holds the page against him and he goes, is she cool? And I was like, yeah, she's not gonna snitch on you. But it was. It was an experience that, like, we got to go to the super bowl together. And you're. You didn't care because the Patriots were eliminated.

[Katie Nolan]

I care in the sense I care.

[Dan Soder]

You were like. You had a cool leather jacket on. You were a hot girl with a leather jacket.

[Katie Nolan]

I remember at all. How do you remember what I wore to the Super Bowl?

[Dan Soder]

When that. When you have a horrific experience, everything burns in your brain.

[Katie Nolan]

It's so true. Wouldn't you know?

[Dan Soder]

And the thing I remember is you just when the. When I knew the Niners were going to lose because. Do you remember the two 49ers fans in front of us? And we were primarily in a chief section. Fred Warner picked off Patrick Mahomes, and I started. I got loud.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And then the two guys in front of me got loud. And then the Chiefs came back and won. And at one point, you go, we need to leave before they drop the confetti. And I was like, yeah. And you leave a Super bowl, it is. Listen, Philly fans or Chiefs fans, I hope Chiefs fans, because you don't know how this really feels because you lost to the Bucks in the COVID year. When you leave a stadium after your team has lost the super bowl, it is leaving a funeral. It is that sad.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. It's a bummer.

[Dan Soder]

I wanted to do the kind of cry where I go, like, out of my mouth. Oh, I hope the Chiefs feel that this year.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. And look, if you're a new fan and you're a Chiefs fan, and you got into the Chiefs because of Taylor Swift, you just need to understand where in the stream you're entering like this. This water has been running down this mountain for a long time, and you are welcome here. But this is sort of. You're. You've been very lucky as a fan to see what you've been seeing. And I have a. Nobody wants to know what I think about being sick of the Chiefs. Because I'm a Patriots fan, and I know people were sick of us. I get it.

[Dan Soder]

You ever run into an ex after a breakup, like an old ex, and you go through a breakup that. And you go, you're not that bad. That's how everyone is with the Patriots now.

[Katie Nolan]

Bring back the Patriots. They at least weren't so bad.

[Dan Soder]

You guys were kind of fun.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

We really hated you guys, but I think we gave you a broad deal.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

How do you feel about, like, growing up in Boston? Red Sox fan. Do you have any kind of heat for young Red Sox fans that think, oh, we win the World Series once every five years?

[Katie Nolan]

I think, like, heat within your fandom. I'm.

[Dan Soder]

No resentment.

[Katie Nolan]

No, because it's like, I just want them to know what they are like. I think everyone should just be aware of where they are in their team's story and act accordingly.

[Dan Soder]

Well, because it's interesting with 49 fans, young 49ers fans. Anyone under the age of 25, I would say, kind of resents older Niners fans because we won so many Super Bowls growing up and all they've seen is three super bowl losses. So they're kind of like, fuck you guys. Stop acting like. And we're like, oh, it was, brother. It was something. The mountaintop is sweet.

[Katie Nolan]

I think that the. What the Bills need to push them through here. You mentioned the Taylor Swift psyop of it all.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

I feel like we really need to lean into the Haley Steinfeld. I mean, Josh Allen, the quarterback, the guy that's like the. You know what I stereotypical, like, star of the team, is dating a famous woman and I never see her at the. I feel like we're not making enough of a big deal about the 2011 Academy Award nominee for Best Supporting Actress for True Grit at the age of 14.

[Dan Soder]

I forgot she was in True Grit.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Do you think she does that consciously? Do you think she's kind of like, maybe, hey, I don't want to be burned out. Because Taylor Swift is almost like a brand. It's like a machine, almost. It is.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

It's just a brand. It's a machine. So it's like they don't mind when people are sick of her. Whereas Haley's like an actress and you kind of have to like them to go see their movies. And yeah, there's. It's kind of like a different feel.

[Katie Nolan]

She also does music.

[Dan Soder]

She does.

[Katie Nolan]

Her debut EP, Hayes H I Z, went platinum in 2015. What follow up album? Did not. I just.

[Dan Soder]

Sophomore Slope.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, it's. I don't know. Just. Maybe we should all be listening to her music. Maybe we should give her a show that's just a Seinfeld parody called Steinfeld. I just think there's something there. If we're trying to capture something. Cover her in ketchup and mustard or something. I don't know. Bills need to break this curse that they've got.

[Dan Soder]

I say Josh Allen has to go full grease. He has to Come back a bad boy. He has to come back next year. Call her up. He's like, I don't take any, you know. Yeah, because he's too sweet. He's a little mountain man, and he's like, I just love my little wife and I love football and I like to run it now. Bad boy Persona.

[Katie Nolan]

We were rooting for you. We were all rooting for you.

[Dan Soder]

Man, were we upset.

[Katie Nolan]

Upset.

[Dan Soder]

Our apartment was upset.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean, both of these games we, like, I think. Did we watch the whole Chiefs game or did we turn it off when we could tell they were going to win? I don't remember.

[Dan Soder]

We turned off the Eagles game when they started blowing them out.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. So let's talk about that now. The Eagles beat the Washington commanders 55 to 23. The commanders kept it relatively close through the middle of the game, but fumbled three times, and the Eagles were nearly perfect themselves. A very cromulent ending, Brady wrote in our document here. To an extremely successful, above expectation season for the Commanders and one of the best rookie campaigns ever for Jaden Daniels, apparently because Brady, our producer, is a commander's fan. He says the general vibe check of fans right now is content.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Katie Nolan]

I think that's the way to be.

[Dan Soder]

They are where Lions fans were last year. Lions fans did the thing last year where they were like, a playoff win. Please, sir. A playoff win.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, boy, that sure would be something.

[Dan Soder]

Oh, it's been a long time since I've had a playoff win.

[Katie Nolan]

Are you sure? Mister, could you spare one?

[Dan Soder]

And then they got one and they go, championship. All right, Lions fans, you guys got one to go. I want a championship. I said it to my friend who's a Lions fan. It was the thing when you were a kid at Christmas where you're like, a bike. All you have to get me is a bike. I don't need any other presents. And then they get you a bike and you're like, there's no other presents.

[Katie Nolan]

There's nothing else to open.

[Dan Soder]

You don't want to give me anything else. And they got their bike. And that's why when the Niners came back in the NC Championship game, didn't feel bad.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, Commanders, got your bike.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, you got your bike. Commanders, you got to the playoffs.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And you have a quarterback that looks incredible. He looks awesome.

[Katie Nolan]

Fun to watch.

[Dan Soder]

The way he throws the ball looks so effortless that he just, like, snaps it and it goes. I mean, the Hail Mary he had this year, there were so many Jaden Daniels plays that you're like, this Guy. I'm completely benign to the commanders.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, I love rooting for you, but.

[Dan Soder]

I love Adam Peters, who came from San Francisco. Adam Peters is. Is the secret weapon for the commanders. He's a great general manager. It was very fun to watch that. You like watching a team that you don't care about when. Because there really isn't. It's not like a team you hate when they win. You, like, you feel gross or when your team wins, you're like, you know, you know, frozen with it. You're just kind of like, I'm enjoy. I enjoy watching this.

[Katie Nolan]

Not only did Commander's fans get all the things you listed, but they also got arguably something better than a trip to the super bowl, which was a credibly reported article from Seth Wickersham and don Van Natta Jr. Two very respected names in sports media. Sports journalism wrote for espn, reported over the weekend that former Washington Commander's owner Dan Snyder has absolutely hated watching the team's title run from afar. I read the article. Apparently they spoke to somebody who's like an associate of Dan Snyder's who went out to dinner with him in London, and they asked him, like, what's the vibe around the commanders? And they're like, he hates it.

[Dan Soder]

Love it.

[Katie Nolan]

Which is exactly what you want. Because Commanders fans, part of why they've been so miserable for so long is because they were owned by a horrendous owner who was like, almost unanimously agreed to be one of the worst owners in all of sports.

[Dan Soder]

There is a. There is like politics in the NFL. You see it all the time with certain stuff. The way they talk about other people or the way they'll talk about media trained athletes. The athletes are really good. The coaches are really good. Talking about refs or whatever. A lot of the times people don't bash owners. They'll go. They'll like, say something that they don't like, but then they'll go like, but they run a good organization. People will go out of their way. When Snyder owned the Commanders, people would go out of their way to be like, fuck him.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Like, people, especially coaches that worked for him, the second they didn't work for him anymore, they were like, that was a nightmare. The fact he's punching air now that Dan Quinn has the command, it's, you're.

[Katie Nolan]

Like, exactly what you want.

[Dan Soder]

Yes, yes. Dan Quinn, the perfect stepdad to come in and save this family with his backwards hat. Oh, you're.

[Katie Nolan]

For anybody who might not be familiar with how much Dan Snyder stinks, we've Compiled a list of some of his greatest offenses.

[Dan Soder]

Oh yeah, dude, I want to know. I want to know how he charted on all of his hits.

[Katie Nolan]

In. In 2000, he they the commanders became the first team to charge fans to watch training camp practice. Used to be able to just go to that for free. Cause it's training camp. He charged them. In 2006, this was my personal favorite. He was caught selling expired peanuts from an airline that had recently gone out of business at FedEx Field.

[Dan Soder]

Wait, now you're winning me over.

[Katie Nolan]

So Independent air went out of business. He got the peanuts that were expired and then not gave them away for free. Sold them at the stadium for money.

[Dan Soder]

This isn't Voss water. This is rainwater collected and put in a vast yard. I charged you 1399 for that water.

[Katie Nolan]

Between 202004 and 2009, he sued 100 or the team. But Dan Snyder sued 125 season ticket holders who asked to be released for multi year contracts. That was, if you'll notice those years, pretty big recession happening there in 0809. Sued them because they had signed up for multiple years and they were like, hey, can I delay this for a year? I really can't pay. And he was like no and I'll sue you. But at the same time was saying that there was a waiting list of like 20,000 people who are dying.

[Dan Soder]

So just turn around and give them news.

[Katie Nolan]

Think. But he sued his own fans.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, keep going. What else we got on this guy? Because honestly, the peanuts thing did push me back towards liking him.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, we'll get there. 2011, he sued the Washington City Paper and sportswriter Dave McKenna specifically for defamation over an article listing his controvers that featured a cartoon of him as the Devil 2013. Amidst an uproar for everybody saying they needed to change their name from their former name, he said we will never change that the name. It's that simple. Never. You can use all caps. He also refused to meet with native American leaders calling for a name change. And then later he changed the name.

[Dan Soder]

That is. That is such a funny thing of getting caught completely bailing on your like.

[Katie Nolan]

Never. You can write it in all caps and you can burn me in the eyes.

[Dan Soder]

Put this in the article. Look at me in the eyes. We will never. I will die before we'll do that. Two years later he's like, we have decided to be the Washington football team.

[Katie Nolan]

Right thing to do. This one was crazy. They he worked with county officials for the county that their stadium is in to ban pedestrians walking into the stadium, which essentially made it so that any off site parking had to close down because you could not park your car somewhere else that wasn't the stadium and then walk into the stadium. So for. So it forced everybody to park at the stadium if they were going to park. Which means that they were going to have to give the money for parking directly to Dan Snyder and the commanders. And so he increased parking from $10 to $25.

[Dan Soder]

That is. That is a evil move.

[Katie Nolan]

He lobbied for a monopoly on parking and then raised the price when he got it.

[Dan Soder]

What if you lived by FedEx Stadium and you just. Or whatever.

[Katie Nolan]

There's probably like a. I don't know, maybe they had like a bus or something that would bring them in. I don't know.

[Dan Soder]

Just stopping buses at the gate.

[Katie Nolan]

They claimed it was because people died. And you're like, that's. They died after the ban. So pretty crazy. And then, of course, a pretty big one that most people would have led with. But I thought we really needed to get that peanut content out there before we got to the stuff that kind of drags the mood down. But in 2020, where there was the bombshell report from the Washington Post where 40 women alleged harassment, discrimination, and sexual misconduct in the workplace. This is where it's revealed that from 08 to about 13, Dan Snyder had used behind the scenes access to cheerleaders, partially dressed photo shoots as a perk for clients and ordered his video to create lewd DVDs of undressed behind the scenes footage that were labeled as quote, for executive meetings. There's also a $1.6 million payment revealed to a woman he harassed on his plane. There's a lot more.

[Dan Soder]

Do you think that's how the peanuts thing got passed? Is they put on one of those DVDs and they're like. He's like, so I'm gonna be selling old peanuts.

[Katie Nolan]

And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever, dude. Whatever, dude. You got more of this.

[Dan Soder]

Okay. And is she still. Is she still here?

[Katie Nolan]

There's a. Oh, there's so much more. It's just like, how much time of this podcast?

[Dan Soder]

I don't know. But that's why I.

[Katie Nolan]

This guy stinks. He's gone and he's devastated to see them doing well.

[Dan Soder]

It is. If you're a commander's fan, it has to feel like you got a tumor removed from your brain.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

And everything is back. You're just like, everything is. Everything feels good again. They're winning. I mean, the NFC east is about to be. If if the Giants and the Cowboys can get their shit together. Cowboys, I think, are going to stay.

[Katie Nolan]

We'll talk about that in just a moment.

[Dan Soder]

You'll love to see it.

[Katie Nolan]

You do love to see it. A lot of coaching searches going on right now in the NFL, some of them coming to a close. Before we get to the big news of what is going on with the Cowboys, the Jaguars hired Liam Cohen. He did a press. A press conference. And I want you to take a look at this clip. Very short clip.

[Dan Soder]

Let's go to clip.

[Katie Nolan]

I think we have a clip.

[DSW Representative]

Duvall.

[Katie Nolan]

Again.

[DSW Representative]

Duvall.

[Katie Nolan]

Can we zoom in on his face a little?

[Dan Soder]

Dude, Duvall. What a. That is a white guy, drunk, hitting on a black girl at a Jacksonville bar. Like, too late. You know, Duvall, she's like, excuse me.

[Katie Nolan]

Do you think he wants to have that one back?

[Dan Soder]

Yes. That is crazy. That is. Here's the thing about press conferences like this Dan Campbell infamous bite kneecaps.

[Katie Nolan]

Eat their kneecaps.

[Dan Soder]

And we're like, crazy. But it wasn't that. No, it wasn't. It was him being Dan Campbell. So once you start winning, the Dan Campbell feels a lot better. We go, yeah, I hate their kneecaps. Look at this guy. They're gritty. They fight.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, I get it now. It all makes sense. Nothing will ever contextualize Duval. Oh.

[Dan Soder]

Which if you're a Jaguars fan and you have a bad season next year, you better be saying that.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, God, that broke. I saw everybody just go like, oh, no.

[Dan Soder]

Oh, dude.

[Katie Nolan]

Worse. Almost worse than the. Was it Adam Gase who had a press conference a couple years ago where his eyes were like, yeah, where you got high. Everybody was like, what's up with this dude? This is the most I've seen anybody talk about a coach's press conference.

[Dan Soder]

The other one I think of, that makes me laugh of trying to be what they are was when Brian Kelly left Notre Dame and went to lsu. And college football coaches always. Or at basketball games is always where they unveil them and they grab the mic and, like, Jim Trestle infamously went like, I'm here to beat Michigan. And they went nuts. Brian Kelly at Notre Dame looks like every dad friend of mine's dad that likes Notre Dame, like, they look like a Midwestern guy that's like, go Irish. And he goes down lsu. He's like, we gonna go down there. We gonna be. Dude, if you can find Brian Kelly at lsu, it is so he's like, like, you. Yeah, here it is. It's a great night to Be a tiger.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm here with my family, and we.

[Dan Soder]

Are so excited to be in the great state of Louisiana.

[Katie Nolan]

My family, your gang on down here.

[Dan Soder]

We're gonna go down that wind, like, four days earlier. He's like, well, you understand that a offense as ours needs to run at a certain. It's.

[Katie Nolan]

It is the same as this Duval thing, where it's like, you don't have to be where you're going.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

They want you to be you and. And through. Over time, you can integrate with where you've ended up, but you do not. There's no win. It's like that stupid commercial of the guy being like, high tide. You seem. You're, like, practicing for high tide. Duvall. It's tough.

[Dan Soder]

I would say the only way you could do this properly is Bear's new head coach comes in and just full south north side accent. He comes in.

[Katie Nolan]

No, no. He'd have to talk to McConaughey. It's a very difficult impression to the Bears.

[Dan Soder]

I'm almost there.

[Katie Nolan]

The Bears.

[Dan Soder]

It would have been sick. That commercial would have been cool if he busted out, like, there it is. A Chicago accent. I'm in it. Let's go.

[Katie Nolan]

You're an actor. It should take my brother Bob. Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Hey. It's always Matthew McConaughey. Why am I sitting outside eating shrimp? Because I listen to AI. I don't even like rain shrimp.

[Katie Nolan]

The Cowboys have hired Brian Schottenheimer as their new coach. Jerry Jones, in the quote about hiring Brian Schottenheimer as the head coach, said, quote, brian Schottenheimer is known as a career assistant. He ain't Brian no more. He is now known as the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. I have so many issues with that quote, aside from the fact that he took a career assistant and was like, we're going to be the team to give this guy a shot. Thinking his fan base would be like, thumbs up, I guess, and instead, they all jumped off of a bridge at the same time. Why would you bring up his number one critique in the introduction of him as the coach and then not even say, he ain't a career assistant no more. He's our head coach. He says he ain't Brian no more. He is still Brian.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, he's still. That still is legal name. He didn't legally change it to the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Imagine, like, being taken to, like, Thanksgiving dinner to meet your significant other's family, and they go like, she used to be a fucking land monster, but then she lost one Hundred pounds. And now I'm raw dogging it. So she is no longer fatso from Minnesota. She is Ellen. And she's like, she's had a lot.

[Katie Nolan]

Of boyfriends before me.

[Dan Soder]

I mean, dude, this. This truck stop.

[Katie Nolan]

Why are we bringing this up?

[Dan Soder]

She is a lifetime one night stand, but I am changing that, taking her home forever. I want to get itchy and get rashy with her. This dude, it is. I would have been like, you Wonder if Brian McCarthy is doing that, like, embarrassed child thing with an adult where he goes, can you please stop doing this? He goes, can you please stop talking, Jerry?

[Katie Nolan]

I mean, Mike McCarthy.

[Dan Soder]

No. What's his name? The new coach? Brian.

[Katie Nolan]

Oh, Schottenheimer.

[Dan Soder]

Schottenheimer. Being like, can you please.

[Katie Nolan]

Hey, can you say less? It's the thing about Jerry Jones, he's very old, and every time he talks, he. You're like, is that what you meant to say?

[Dan Soder]

If I am a Cowboys fan, if I'm a commander's fan, you got to feel pretty good to know that the Cowboys are where you were about 10 years ago. Where you go, can you die or leave? Can you just die or leave? And then Jerry Jones is going to get those, like, old dog eyes that are, like, gray, and he's like, like, craft them. It's kind of like what happened with Al Davis with the Raiders. He just started making such wild moves that, like, people that had any money invested in the Raiders were going like, okay, we need to remove him.

[Katie Nolan]

You need to stop.

[Dan Soder]

And the Cowboys, I think I'm correct to saying, like, they're a top three value in franchise in sports.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

That's a $8 billion.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. They had that big boom where everybody was a Cowboys fan, and those people are paying for it now.

[Dan Soder]

Sweet. Oh, oh, Louis, you loved Emmett Smith. Well, how's that feeling? My buddy is a Cowboys fan. I know he's gonna listen to this and be like, oh, it sucks, because Jerry Jones just isn't doing anything where good owners get out of the way and let the people do. Like Robert Kraft, let Bill Belichick just basically be like, oh, can you just.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, he helped. There's debate.

[Dan Soder]

There's debate. But, you know.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Like, he got out of the way and was like, oh, let the people do it.

[Katie Nolan]

Empowering the people to do their own jobs instead of trying to do their jobs.

[Dan Soder]

Jerry Jones is a guy who will never admit that he wants to be the head coach of the Cowboys and the. He just wants to do it all.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

So he's going to hire A lifetime assistant coach. As he called. As he called.

[Katie Nolan]

He's no longer called Brian.

[Dan Soder]

He's now called the head coach, Head.

[Katie Nolan]

Coach of the Cowboys. He was asked Jerry Jones about the fan reaction to the announcement and how that made him feel. And Jerry Jones said, quote, there's a very low percentage of this that is smiles and glory holes. Very low percentage.

[Dan Soder]

What does that mean?

[Katie Nolan]

In November of 2023, in an appearance on 105.3 the Fan in Dallas, the Cowboys head. So Jerry Jones was asked if there was anything he wanted to say to the team's fans. And he said, quote, the rough times that you have with sports, everybody has it. You can't really play unless you have some hard times. It is the absolute glory hole to have that elusive win, to be the champion. And in August 22nd, Jerry Jones said. And there it was. Glory hole. And in 2012, Jerry Jones said, I've been here when it was glory hole days and I've been here when it wasn't. Having said that, I want me some glory hole.

[Dan Soder]

So he does know what he's talking about.

[Katie Nolan]

So glory hole, I believe, before it.

[Dan Soder]

Became the greatest place to go late on a Saturday night when you're asleep.

[Katie Nolan]

When you're a husband who's on the road a lot, you can't make that joke. He's very faithful and he loves me very much. Obviously, glory hole is like a hole in the wall that you put your penis into.

[Dan Soder]

I think what it was for back in the day was like, for closeted gay men. No, no.

[Katie Nolan]

That's not where Jerry's going with this.

[Dan Soder]

I think that's where he was going.

[Katie Nolan]

It might be what it was. What. But let's leave whatever you were wanting to go do.

[Dan Soder]

That's some trucks. That's some rest stop talk from Jerry Jo.

[Katie Nolan]

I think it originally meant it was like something in, like, mining or something. Or like you found this hole that had all the gold in it. Or there is an old, like, prospector.

[Dan Soder]

Way that is the oldest shit you can go.

[Katie Nolan]

It's so crazy to not in all of this time update your software and go like, oh, glory hole pretty publicly means something very, very. He's just so committed.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. To saying, like, I want a glass bottom boat. Who doesn't want a glass bottom boat? I'm sorry, you're going to be, you know, you're like, j. That doesn't mean an actual boat made of glass.

[Katie Nolan]

What does it mean?

[Dan Soder]

I think it's where someone, like, poops.

[Katie Nolan]

What?

[Dan Soder]

What do you mean he's like I'm trying to get it. He's like, I want, I want a trusty, a rusty trombone.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay, that I get. But what's this glass bottom boat?

[Dan Soder]

Look it up, bring it up.

[Katie Nolan]

I won't. Please don't look that up. We're on work computers. Please don't look that up. We all learned something here today.

[Dan Soder]

I just want a glass bottom boat. I'm trying to watch a glass bottom boat happened and you go, no, you're not, Jerry. No you're not.

[Katie Nolan]

So.

[Dan Soder]

Oh God.

[Katie Nolan]

Just one more kick in the the other nut. To Cowboys fans, there was a lot of talk about former tight end Jason Whitten joining the team's coaching staff. That was supposedly something they were going to do this season. It was pretty much all but reported, but owner Jerry Jones squashed that on Monday and said he's not expected to join his former team in any capacity for 2025. So that's why are they.

[Dan Soder]

Why was he so passionate about shooting it down?

[Katie Nolan]

I don't know. Certainly Jason is an outstanding coach, jones added.

[Dan Soder]

Certainly he goes, but he's no furry party. I like to go to my furry parties.

[Katie Nolan]

He's no Cleveland steamer. All right, moving on because, please, I'm.

[Dan Soder]

Trying to think of other ones.

[Katie Nolan]

Did you see the Shador Sanders story that he interviewed with the Tennessee Titans, who have the number one pick? Sure. He had a 45 minute interview with the team that featured a FaceTime phone call from his father, Deion Sanders.

[Dan Soder]

I'm not surprised by that. I think anyone that's surprised by that hasn't been paying attention to Shador Sanders. It's like Dion has orchestrated his entire, like, it. There's two sides of me. There's a side of me that feels like, all right, Dion, like, let the guy be his own person. Like, let him interview. If I'm, if I'm a coach, I'm like, I don't want to talk to your dad. I want to talk to you. Your dad's not going to be on the field while we're playing. Maybe, but he might.

[Katie Nolan]

He might.

[Dan Soder]

But so there's the part of me that's kind of like, just let the guy be his own person. But then there's also a part of me that didn't grow up with a dad. And you're like, that's so sick. That's so cool that he coached your peewee team, your high school team. You're, you know, went to a historically black college, made him great, flipped to Colorado, almost got to the playoffs your senior Year. I mean, he's has been like, Dion went through it. So you have kind of like a Sherpa, like, leading you up the mountain, being like. Because a lot of these guys, the problem in the NFL is they're around people that are just succubuses. They're just taking from these players. They want their money. They want to be in their spotlight. Right. Dion already did it. So there. I think it's different with Dion. I feel like it's like, hey, I've been here. Watch out for this trap. Watch out for this trap. But there also is a part where you're like, leave him alone.

[Katie Nolan]

Let your son have his own spotlight.

[Dan Soder]

For someone like Travis Hunter, I think that is incredible.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Dan Soder]

I think it's. You've kept Travis Hunter pure in a way that if he didn't have someone like Dion, he might have been exposed to a lot worse.

[Katie Nolan]

But he's not his dad.

[Dan Soder]

Yes. If I'm Shador, I'm doing the like, dad, stop. I want to talk to the Tennessee Titans.

[Katie Nolan]

Please stop facetiming my maybe boss, take your sunglasses off.

[Dan Soder]

You look like you're from the future. Dad, let me talk to the Titans. And if I'm. If I'm drafting Shador Sanders, I am nervous about that.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, right. Of the involvement of your father in your career.

[Dan Soder]

I think because a NFL locker room, it is proven that you need the coach to a control the locker room. But the team, to be a team, they need to form. And if your dad is there, like, stage mom. Ing you.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Smile, smile.

[Katie Nolan]

Big, big smiles.

[Dan Soder]

Smile, energy. And I'm a little cowboy. Here I go. Like, is Dion running the plays on the side? The way, like, pageants and toddlers and tiara moms are doing it where he's like, yeah, after. You know, like, that is funny. The thought of Aaron Andrews, like, talking to Shador his rookie year, and Dion's behind the camera going, going.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. I don't. How do you feel about it?

[Katie Nolan]

I don't know. I think I. I had a take about it that people were like, I feel sad for you. But I'm like, at a certain age, I. I sort of needed to be separate from my parents. Need to move away and, like, discover you separately.

[Dan Soder]

That's why you can love them as adults.

[Katie Nolan]

Right.

[Dan Soder]

Because you're an adult and you can kind of understand them better.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. And also, like, they need to know the period for being able to ground me has ended. You can no longer tell me I'm in trouble and make me not be able to leave my room.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

And so I shut that door. You know what I mean?

[Dan Soder]

I'm 40.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

That's what I said to my mom.

[Katie Nolan]

I'm not yet.

[Dan Soder]

I said, you can't, you can't know.

[Katie Nolan]

38 today.

[Dan Soder]

22. 22. 38.

[Katie Nolan]

38. But yeah, I just thought that was an interesting. All these stories about how around he is is just like. I think I'd be annoyed, but I didn't think of it from your perspective of like you didn't have a dad around. You would have killed for your dad to FaceTime into one of your baseball games.

[Dan Soder]

Oh my God. To be able to go like, hey, I have questions about this and then we go and I have answers for you.

[Katie Nolan]

God, you're like different life.

[Dan Soder]

Let me talk to you.

[Katie Nolan]

It wouldn't be as funny though.

[Dan Soder]

No, no. But I'd be crazy adjusted teasing you.

[Katie Nolan]

Have you heard this story about the Paul Skeen's rookie card?

[Dan Soder]

No.

[Katie Nolan]

So you know, you do a card segment on your podcast. This felt kind of in line with what you're into. The. So they have these rookie cards that feature a patch that was worn on the debut jersey of a rookie and they put that on the card.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah, I had a card released this year on Allen and Ginter and I.

[Katie Nolan]

Had some of those from your.

[Dan Soder]

I'm in. Yeah, they wanted stand up.

[Katie Nolan]

They did.

[Dan Soder]

They genuinely wanted me to give them a piece of clothing to do that with.

[Katie Nolan]

Huh.

[Dan Soder]

And I was going to give them the. I still have the button down shirt for my Comedy Central presents.

[Katie Nolan]

But you probably still wear it.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. So you're not wrong.

[Katie Nolan]

We don't retire that.

[Dan Soder]

But yeah, so they do that.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. So this is a one of one card. It's the only one that exists for. With this patch for Paul Skin, the. The phenom from The Pirates, an 11 year old baseball card collector found that card.

[Dan Soder]

Great.

[Katie Nolan]

And Paul Skin and the Pirates have been trying to get it from him. They want to make an offer to him so that Paul Skeens can have it.

[Dan Soder]

So funny. We're in the age where baseball players are asking kids for their cards back.

[Katie Nolan]

So last week it's also autographed. I should mention it's the Skiing's one of one rookie debut patch autograph card. And last week he decided to auction it off for what could be a figure in the seven digits. He rejected this offer from the Pirates. This is an 11 year old kid, smart kid from Los Angeles, from California. Oh, two Pirates season tickets behind home plate for the next 30 years.

[Dan Soder]

He lives in LA, though.

[Katie Nolan]

A softball game for 30 at PNC park, plus coaching from Pirates alumni.

[Dan Soder]

Is this with the money watching?

[Katie Nolan]

No, this was what they tried to offer before. He was like, I'm going to go sell it.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Watching a game with Livy Dunn in her suite.

[Dan Soder]

Man, if they would have gotten a horny, like 13 year old, he'd have been like, done. Done is 11.

[Katie Nolan]

11'S like a year 11.

[Dan Soder]

You're like, Santa's still kind of real. I think, like 13. You're like, Livy done. She gives me a pair of her socks to take home. I'll. I'll give him the car. I'll walk him the card. And you're like, oh, this kid's horned up.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. They missed the mark on that. That was Livy's offer.

[Dan Soder]

That's so funny. She's like, I'll sit with a little twerp for a game.

[Katie Nolan]

15 minutes. I'll swing by the box.

[Dan Soder]

I'll let him smell my hair.

[Katie Nolan]

And a spring training experience like no other in quotes. With a private tour meet and greet with Paul Skeens. Two Paul Skeens autograph jerseys. You can take BP and warm up with the team and quote, other unique experiences. And he said, no, thank you.

[Dan Soder]

Kid's gonna be. He's gonna be the first kajillionaire. I mean, we're watching the. The beginning of the first trillionaire.

[Katie Nolan]

There have been five cards that have sold for over a million dollars. One was like a 52 Mickey Mantle card. Went for, I think, 13 million. Yeah, there was like a Honus Wagner card from 1909 to 1911. That was 7 million ish. 2009 Mike Trout card was about 4.6.

[Dan Soder]

Man, whoever got that money, good job.

[Katie Nolan]

1955 Roberto Clemente card and a 2011 Mike Trout card. So those are the ones that have gone for over a million. Parents will probably get that much. I just want to know why you offer a child from across the country a Pirate themed. Yeah, it's like he's not a. He could be a Paul Skeens fan, but he's not gonna. Not enough to go to Pittsburgh for 30 years.

[Dan Soder]

I grew up. I grew up loving the San Francisco Giants. If this would have happened with, like, the Brewers, I would have been like, pound sand.

[Katie Nolan]

No, thanks. Kick rocks.

[Dan Soder]

Either get Barry bonds to my 12th birthday party, right? Or we're not even on the phone.

[Katie Nolan]

Figure out a three team trade where you give something to the. My team and my team gives me 30 years of season tickets. Tickets behind Home.

[Dan Soder]

Oh, my God. Dodgers.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Figure it out.

[Dan Soder]

The Dodgers.

[Katie Nolan]

What a half ass to an 11 year old to be like, look at all this money. And then you're like, it is that kid.

[Dan Soder]

The thought that the general manager of Pittsburgh is calling this kid and he's picking up the phone, he's going, what do you got? And he goes, all right, softball game. Livy Dunn pitches. I don't know. We name a hot dog after you. He goes, call back. When it's better. He's like, just eating candy, watching tv. And he goes back. He's like, all right. One of the sausages in the race will be you.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. We're going to make you a character in Fortnite.

[Dan Soder]

We are going to my own skin. Take the money, kid.

[Katie Nolan]

Take the money. Sell it. Take the money.

[Dan Soder]

Invest.

[Katie Nolan]

I also find it very strange that Paul Skeens wants the Paul Skeens one of one. It's like, make a. Make it two. Don't tell anybody and give one to Paul Skeens. It's Paul. It's his. It's like, well, if you want it so bad, just like, have them give you one.

[Dan Soder]

They give back the jersey and it's just a little square out of it. He's like, we got so much more to work with.

[Katie Nolan]

Great. All right, Dan, last story. I know you're a big Kendrick Lamar fan.

[Dan Soder]

I mean, yeah, he's very good. White guys saying they're big. Kendrick Lamar's fans feels weird.

[Katie Nolan]

You're a regular sized Kendrick Lamar fan. You enjoy Kendrick Lamar's work, but you're not loud or obnoxious about it. Does this feel right? Does that fit better? He is performing in the super bowl halftime show. Probably one of the main drivers. I think, at this point, for a lot of people to tune in, given the fact that Chiefs again and people are very.

[Dan Soder]

They're very opinionated about him doing it.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

It's because it's not an old. It's not an old artist that everyone has fond memories of. Like, when you do, like, Aerosmith, everyone's.

[Katie Nolan]

Like, but since when does it have to be that, like, it. We've done it before. But I do feel like I remember when we went to the super bowl in Atlanta, that wasn't like old artists, I don't think.

[Dan Soder]

Wait, when we went to Miami, it was JLO and Shakira.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. Which I. I stand by saying Shakira could have done that on her own.

[Dan Soder]

Who was last year? Rihanna was the year before that. Last year I was there. And I forget who Was there.

[Katie Nolan]

Who's.

[Dan Soder]

Last year Usher.

[Katie Nolan]

Which was a nice. It was good.

[Dan Soder]

Incredible.

[Katie Nolan]

That was a good nostalgia play. Like, it's.

[Dan Soder]

I think they do back and forth, but this one seems to be like.

[Katie Nolan]

I mean, SZA and Kendrick Lamar and I bet probably more people.

[Dan Soder]

Yes, the surprises will be fun.

[Katie Nolan]

But the story that I wanted to talk to you about is that he is planning to perform the Drake diss track at the Super Bowl. And I assume that means the not like us, because I think there were multiple. Yeah, I don't. That would be gonna do all of them. If he did pretty.

[Dan Soder]

If he went from euphoria to like all he goes just goes through him. You're like, ah, it's just a whole halftime he's dissing one guy.

[Katie Nolan]

But he said he, quote, can't be silenced despite lawsuit threat.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah. That's just him being upset about the lawsuit because he got Drake took it to court. But also when you look at the lawsuit, it's more to do with Drake and his relationship with his record company because his contract is coming up and they're trying to like, kind of him over and that's why he's suing him. But it also is you are in a very public beef with a guy and now you're suing about it. So it doesn't look good at all. At all to go like, that's going to the teacher. You're going like, yeah, you said something mean at recess. I'm going to the teacher. Straight to the teacher and going like, yeah, I do have a little bit.

[Katie Nolan]

Of straight to the teacher. After trying to say something mean back and then getting like even further stuffed and then going, I'm going to teacher.

[Dan Soder]

But to have empathy.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

With Aubrey.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Imagine someone doing a shit talk on you at the Pinnacle event. One of the only things left. The World Series is seven games. NBA Finals is seven games. No one really. People watch the All Star Game. But it's not like this is the fucking Super Bowl. This is non the most expensive commercial.

[Katie Nolan]

On television because everybody tunes in.

[Dan Soder]

Matthew McConaughey becomes my dick.

[Katie Nolan]

Got to see it.

[Dan Soder]

Wait, Uber eats. Jerry's eating rice.

[Katie Nolan]

Jerry's eating rice.

[Dan Soder]

Jerry's eating rice. Fluoride in the water. But the one signature event. And then you know someone's going to talk shit about you on the biggest stage.

[Katie Nolan]

Just talk shit like call you a pedophile. Yeah. You're like, I guess my question is like, they're. You think they're going to let him.

[Dan Soder]

I bet what they do in these Situations is they. You hear a. And he does a couple lines, maybe even just a really good point.

[Katie Nolan]

That's a good point.

[Dan Soder]

And then he goes into something from his new album.

[Katie Nolan]

Most artists do. Like Rihanna did, like, little snippets from all of her songs.

[Dan Soder]

And that's what he's. Because with Kendrick Lamar and doing the super bowl show, he's not just doing Squabble up and it's not snl. He's not doing a song and then leaving. He's doing a medley. So it's going to be all the way back from Good Kid Mad City all through his albums, all the big hits. So the Not Like Us is going to be a. The beat's gonna hit.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah. People are gonna go nuts.

[Dan Soder]

People are gonna know it. And he'll probably just do the not like, you know.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Now, if he has Lil Wayne come out and do a verse, that's. I could probably be. I just want Little Wayne to show up. I want my two dads.

[Katie Nolan]

Do you want Lil Wayne to show up? If he shows up in Lil Wayne State? Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

I hope it's a sharp appearance. I just hope he shows up.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

It would be really cool if Kendrick brought Lil Wayne out in New Orleans at whatever it's called now. The Caesars Superdome?

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, I think so.

[Dan Soder]

Happy birthday.

[Katie Nolan]

Hey, thanks.

[Dan Soder]

I think you're the greatest human being on the planet. And I love you.

[Katie Nolan]

I love you, too. Thank you so much.

[Dan Soder]

Happy birthday to you, you guys. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, Katie. Happy birthday to you.

[Katie Nolan]

Thanks, you guys.

[Dan Soder]

Make a wish.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay.

[Dan Soder]

Great. That is a fire hazard.

[Katie Nolan]

Thanks, everybody. Look at this adorable little cake. That's just for me.

[Dan Soder]

It's just for you.

[Katie Nolan]

All by myself.

[Dan Soder]

It's just icing. It's cardboard with icing on it. So Marissa got that?

[Katie Nolan]

Marissa and the team.

[Dan Soder]

Marissa and the team got it.

[Katie Nolan]

Thanks, y'all. Thanks. Thanks.

[Dan Soder]

Let's go eat junk food and sit in our sweats.

[Katie Nolan]

Let's play video games in our sweats tonight for my birthday.

[Dan Soder]

Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah.

[Dan Soder]

Deal.

[Katie Nolan]

Maybe 6:00 tournament.

[Dan Soder]

Oh, hey, everybody. If you're playing Rocket League tonight and you're in the 6pm tournament, watch out for the 2v2. Tony Llama boots. Tony Llama boots.

[Katie Nolan]

Tony Llama boots. We're just waiting for the lights to turn off.

[Dan Soder]

I'm just waiting for the lights to turn off. Yeah.

[Katie Nolan]

Okay. Dan Sotter, thank you for being here. I love you so much. Thank you for the cake.

[Dan Soder]

Right here. For the candy camera. Right here. For the other camera. Great. Okay. Great. Go Niners.

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[Katie Nolan]

Easy. They're from dsw because DSW has the exact right shoes for whatever you're into right now. You know, like the sneakers that make office hours feel like happy hour, the boots that turn grocery aisles into runways, and all the styles that show off the many sides of you from daydreamer to multitasker and everything in between. Because you do it all in really great shoes. Find a shoe for every you at your DSW store or dsw.com all right, big thanks again to Dan Soder for being here. He wasn't allowed to say no, so he had to sorta okay, before we let you guys go, we wanted to give you a heads up of what you can watch in sports this week. As we know, a lot of you are getting into sports and if you wanted to watch any, here are some of the biggest events you can catch this week. Chris, what do we got first?

[Chris]

Well, the biggest game is in college basketball this weekend. We've got UNC, the University of North Carolina playing against the number two seed in Duke on Saturday night. That is at 6:30pm Eastern. This is arguably the biggest rivalry in college basketball, even though UNC haven't been that great this season. But it also gives everyone an opportunity to watch Duke freshman Cooper Flagg, who's now become essentially the favorite for national player of the year. He came into the year as everyone's consensus number one draft pick. He is well and truly solidified that position. He's a terrific player to watch. So if you want to understand what college basketball is about, it's starting to heat up a little bit. I know most people don't really pay attention until March, but this is, this is a nice sort of entree into that, that part of the season where you can really see a terrific rivalry that's always close, always hard fought, and you get to see arguably the greatest player in college basketball. So Duke UNC on Saturday night, 6:30pm Eastern.

[Katie Nolan]

I am, most people I don't, I don't pay attention to, but I will Chris, if you're telling me this is a big deal, we can tune into college basketball, I like to make my my March Madness. Or I guess we legally can't say that. What we used to call it on our podcast was third month crazy time. So we'll call it that. I usually do my bracket blind. I find it leads to the best results. The more research I do into college basketball before filling out a bracket, the less the not far I make it. What am I trying to say? You know, the less far I make it.

[Chris]

That's why my mom baits me every year when we do a family bracket together.

[Katie Nolan]

It's a magical power. But you know, Duke, unc, maybe, maybe Bill Belichick will be there with his, with his girlfriend. And who would pass the chance to take a look at that live? So we'll watch that. What else we got this week in the NHL?

[Chris]

The jets are playing at the Capitals on Saturday night as well at 7pm Eastern. So you're going to have to choose between watching that UNC Duke game or the jets at Capitals game. I know, but the jets at Capitals game, that's going to be a fun one because these two teams share a league high 71 points on the season. So these have been the best two teams so far in the NHL season. So it's going to be a. A blockbuster. Blockbuster clash.

[Katie Nolan]

A good jets team must be confusing for people that aren't familiar with the NHL. They're like, what? The Jets? Don't worry, Aaron Rodgers not involved. Yeah, this is second screen content. I guess we are assuming you, dear listener, have two TVs and you're going to put one of them onto UNC Duke and the other is going to be watching Jets Capitals. Look at you. You're a sports expert now. Chris, what's our third option? Please tell me it's not on Saturday at or around 6 or 7 o'clock.

[Chris]

Thankfully, it is not. This game is on Friday night at 8:15pm Eastern and it is in the league called Unrivaled, which is the new women's 3x3 league that launched last week that people are getting really excited about. We've got some really big women's basketball names playing in this league. We've got the undefeated Laces facing off against the undefeated Lunar owls. Both teams are 40 on the season so far, so I feel like everyone, if you haven't checked out Unrivaled yet, check it out on Friday night. These are two fantastic teams and it gives you a bit of an introduction into the league, what it is, what it's doing for women's basketball in in the States as well.

[Katie Nolan]

Yeah, Unrivaled's pretty fascinating. They're kind of putting the pressure on the WNBA to treat their athletes better and give them more stuff. So I think it's fascinating. My only note on Unrivaled is the some of the names like Lunar Owls. I I'd love to meet a Solar Owl. I thought they were all at night. There's also a team called the Mist which makes me think of like a missed shot. These are the.

[Dan Soder]

These are tiny.

[Katie Nolan]

Not the tiny little notes I have. Other than that fully support what's going on in women's basketball. Speaking of which, Brady, you you were going to tell us about a blockbuster trade we had in the WNBA off.

[Brady]

Season in the wnba. Which one of the can I It was probably peak Twitter was when we could all tune in and enjoy Adrian Wojahowski VSPN just dropping massive NBA transactions on people without notice. Like you'd be sitting around just, you know, having a snack and then suddenly boom, Jimmy Butler traded. It's just all up in your grill. Adrian's moved on. Sham Sharanya handles all the Woj bombing now for espn but he dropped a massive trade the other day of the Las Vegas Aces dealt Kelsey Plum to the LA Sparks. The LA Sparks have sent back the number two overall pick that when the number two overall pick goes to Seattle. Seattle sends Jewel Lloyd, a former number one overall pick, back to Las Vegas. You have a three way deal, you have two superstar players and the number two overall pick moving. It ends up with Kelsey Plum starting that rebuilding effort for the LA Sparks. They get Cameron Brink back from injury with Kelsey Plum, pair with Derek Hamby and Rickey Jackson. You end up with like just out of nowhere they go from the league's worst record to have a shot at being a contender this coming year. The Aces just reload with Jewel Lloyd and Seattle clears out a ton of cap room. It's off season content. Like this is a massive move for a league that needs people to care all year round on that's right.

[Katie Nolan]

It's not trade's not actually official I don't think until February so we can we'll certainly have a lot more to say about that in the future but wanted to let our listeners know about big off season moves in the wnba. Okay folks, unfortunately I know very sad time but it is the end of our podcast so we wanted to say thank you again for listening to the third episode of Casuals we are a brand new podcast trying things out. We hope you guys are having a lot of fun hanging out with us. Us hearing about what's going on in the sports world. Please be sure to subscribe wherever you're listening to this. Give us a five star review if you love it. And if you don't love it, maybe you know, self reflect before posting. Maybe that's a you thing. It could be an us thing. Just check and make sure it's not a you thing. Also I meant to announce this up top. We do have an email address now that is live so if you have something you want to say to us, hopefully like cool stuff or if you have questions you want to ask or something you want to see on the show, you can send us an email. That is Casuals with Katie nolanmail.com I'm getting a thumbs up. I was doing that off memory so congratulations to me. And then I think we're also working on getting a voicemail set up so you guys can call in and ask questions so we can do some user generated content. One of my favorite things to do in a podcast connecting with our audience. So keep an eye out for that. Send us an email subscribe. I think that covers all of my bases. Have a fantastic couple days. We'll see you again on Thursday for episode four of Casuals. Bye. Love you mean it.