
Dr. Arielle Harms and Taylor Kemp share about the life of Aloysius (Luigi) Gonzaga. Raised by his father to be a soldier, an early awakening of his personal faith led him to renounce his familial right of succession and enter the newly formed Society of Jesus. As a Jesuit he soon realized that despite his radical service, bold evangelization, and strict prayers and asceticism, the only way to truly become holy was to relinquish control and allow his soul to be conquered by Christ.
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You're listening to a podcast on Catholic Saints. This podcast is produced by the Augustine Institute, an apostolate helping Catholics understand, live, and share their faith. Hello, everyone, and welcome to Catholic Saints. My name is Taylor Kemp, your host and the vice president of content here at the Augusta Institute. And with Me today is Dr. Ariel Harms from our graduate school of Theology, who. Who teaches in our past. She is the director of our pastoral theology program. Dr. Harms, it is great to have you back. Now on your second episode of Catholic Saints.
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So glad to be here. Yes, thank you.
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Today we are talking about Saint Aloysius Gonzaga. I know very, very little about Saint Aloysius. And in fact, I just figured out maybe six months ago how to pronounce his name, because it's. It's spelled Aloysius, which you just informed me came from Luigi.
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Yes. His. I mean, he's Italian, and his actual name is Luigi. Aloysius is a man that's a tough.
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Like, transliteration from Italian to English. It wouldn't have gone without it.
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It's more Latin than English. Right.
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So language. Aloysius. I have a really quick story that has nothing to do with his witness of being a saint, but it's still a funny story. Um, my third son. My third child was being born. My first son. And my family is. Is not Catholic. My siblings, and we have. I have a wonderful relationship with them. They're very respectful and encouraging about my. My wife and I's Catholic raising, but they tease us about it too. And so we've named our kids after saints. And before my son was born, my oldest sister was like, whatever you do, can you just not pick some weird saint name? Can you just pick, like, a normal saint name? Because she's like, I know you guys are gonna name your son after Saint. Just don't pick a weird one. I was like, of course not. And so the day that my son was born, whose name we named him Dominic, which I think is a normal. You know, it's not crazy, but I wanted to mess with my sister a little bit. And so I sent this text to my family, and I had told my other family members, I'm gonna send this text. Don't worry. This isn't the name we're actually going with. But I used Aloysius because it's. It's. When you look at it in the English, it's very difficult to figure out how you spell it. And so I sent the morning my son was born to my family. And I said, we're so excited to announce the birth of Aloysius Bernardine Kemp. I'm not trying to be disrespectful to any of the saints, but it was like a very funny moment, and my sister freaked out. She's like, I. How. What am I gonna tell my friends that your kid's name is? And I was like, it's like, aloysius, it's not that hard. And she was. So we cleared up. It was very funny. That's what I think of when I see Aloysius onto the more important things, which is his life. What do we know about Saint Aloysius?
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So Saint Aloysius was born March 9, 1568, in Lombardy, and his parents were Ferrante, who was the Marquis of Castiglione, and Marta, both of whom held high positions in the court of Philip II of Spain. At the time, he was the oldest of eight children. And as was the custom for their rank and social class, his father wanted him to be a soldier. And so from a young age, his father actually started familiarizing him with the life of a soldier, taking him with him to work, if you will. At the age of seven, Aloysius had a kind of spiritual awakening. He, you know, as we say now, began to take his faith for himself and seriously. And so he. In addition to saying the prayers with his family, particularly his mother, he also began reciting daily the Office of Our lady, the Penitential Psalms, and several other devotions. And then his education, formal education, started at age nine.
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Okay, do you know if. Do we know anything about. As he had this spiritual awakening and he's saying these prayers, was. I don't know, was he becoming less interested in this life of the soldier that his. His father wanted?
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Yeah. By the age of 11, he knew that he didn't want. Since he was the oldest, he. He had the right of succession. Right. He could get his father's title. When his father passed away, and by the age of 11, he knew he didn't want that. He was willing to renounce that and give it to his younger brother. Wow. Right. That's pretty impressive.
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It is.
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And so he spent his time that he wasn't. I mean, he was still, I think, a fairly normal child, wanting to play and that kind of thing. But he spent extra time in prayer and reading the lives of the saints. And I think he was about 11 when he first read a book about the experiences of the Jesuits in India, because the Jesuits.
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This was 1568. So the Jesuits are new.
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They were a very new order at that time. Yes. And so Reading that book gave him the desire to enter the Jesuits and work for the conversion of the heathen. And he actually wanted to prepare himself well for that work. So he started at that time to teach catechism to the poor children in his hometown in the summer and in the winters. Then he would adopt the penitential practices of the monks that he knew, fasting. And here he's still like a Preteen. So he's 11. He's fasting three days a week on bread and water, getting up in the middle of the night to pray, kneeling on a cold floor, and other forms of penitential practice. So he really wanted to form himself well, for this vocation that he felt he was called to.
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Yeah. That's amazing. Okay. So he has this clear desire for holiness at a young age. He's really giving himself over to that. In some respects, it's at odds, at least with the vision of his father. He has entered the Jesuits at this point. Or he wants to.
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He wants to, but he isn't able to, partially because of his social class and his. The fact that he's still successor to his father's title. Right.
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So where does he go from there?
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So from there, he and his brother Rodolfo were appointed pages to Don Diego, Prince of Asturias. And in that role, Aloysius spent time with the prince waiting on him and also studying with him. And during that time, though, he also kept up with his penances and devotions. So he had a kind of balanced life. Like, he's doing the responsibilities that he has based on his social status and his family, and also keeping up with his prayer and his desire to prepare himself well for missionary life as a Jesuit, hopefully. Okay. And so he was released from that service three years later by the death of the prince. And at that point is when he tries to pursue his vocation to the Jesuits.
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Okay, you say tries. Was he unsuccessful?
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Yes. So at that point, he was 16. And his father and other relatives were extremely opposed to this vocation.
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Okay.
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They wanted to compromise, told him he could be a secular priest and they'd make sure he became a bishop.
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Okay.
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They'd find him, you know, is that.
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You know, to some extent, because he's the eldest son, they want to keep, I don't know, protect the family name, or they want him to still, like, be involved in the family business, where if he was to go enter the Jesuits, it's. It's like he's being sent. He's gone. He is disconnected from the family. Probably.
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Probably. It's also an unknown. Right. The Jesuits being new and rather ascetic in their lifestyle. Right. They're missionaries. They go all over the place. They have not the comfortable lifestyle that a secular priest could have and especially a bishop could have, and certainly not the power that you'd have in that society in that time.
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So he's 16. He wants to enter the Jesuits. They want to compromise, and Aloysius wins.
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Aloysius does eventually win. Yes. He does eventually win. It wasn't until his rite of succession was officially transferred to his brother.
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Okay.
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By the emperor, or it was approved by the emperor that he was able to enter the Jesuits.
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Do we know what.
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So he entered the Jesuits, I think, around 18.
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Okay. So a couple years.
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It took a couple years for that to. For that to work. And so he entered the Jesuit novitiate and actually as a novice, he had to give up some of his penances and devotions that he'd been doing to prepare for that lifestyle.
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Interesting. Okay. And so he's in his novitiate years. They're like, you need to stop being as ascetic as you were. Where does he go from there?
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So it was during his time as a novice, actually, that he received a revelation from God during prayer that he didn't have long to live.
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Oh.
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So. And that actually gave him great joy.
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Interesting. Okay.
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He was looking forward to being with God in heaven. So when the opportunity came to put himself kind of in danger of death, he took it.
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Okay.
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In 1591, the plague broke out in Italy, and the Jesuits opened a plague hospital where Aloysius volunteered to serve.
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Okay.
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And he took time to instruct the patients in the faith. He encouraged them in their, you know, to persevere in their suffering, to hold onto the faith. And he took care of them, washing them, making their beds, performing other lowly hospital work. Despite the zeal with which he worked externally, he was very repulsed physically by this type of work. And he actually told his confessor, who was none other than St. Robert Bellarmin, about this. And he actually, that year, caught the plague, but recovered.
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Okay.
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He thought, I've caught the plague. This is done. That revelation that I had is coming to fruition. But he caught the plague and recovered, only to catch a fever later, just a few months later, actually, that severely weakened him and would eventually bring about his death.
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So what year was that?
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So this all happened in 1591.
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Okay. So he dies at 23. 23, 24.
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Yeah.
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Wow. Okay. That's fascinating. So what in particular is it? The love of the poor that we remember about him, about his religious zeal, his ascetic practices, his life of prayer. Yeah. Any and all.
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So Saint Aloysius is actually a patron saint of youth, the patron of Catholic youth. And it's not just because he died young.
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Okay.
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It's because while he was young, he aspired to be holy. Right. And he actually put into practice the prayers and penances that would help him conquer himself, if you will. I mean, we think of, you know, his father, the soldier, conquering in other ways. He was looking at really making himself holy.
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Yeah. Almost in a sense, being conquered by Christ.
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Right. Well, so that's an interesting thing. He tried to do it on his own. Right. He realized once he'd entered The Jesuits and St. Robert Bellarmin was his confessor and spiritual director, the saint was able to show him, you can't actually do this on your own. Your prayers and penances are not enough to make you holy. And realizing his stubbornness and self will, not only was it good in some ways. Right. Because he had this perseverance in continuing his religious devotions and practices, no matter what happened in his life, but it was also a hindrance to him in a way, because he didn't see. He didn't allow enough room for the work of Christ. So from the novitiate, he actually wrote to his brother, he said, I am a piece of twisted iron, and I entered the religious life to get twisted straight.
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That's amazing. I mean, so have you heard of the Catholic Saint 24 Club? There's all these saints that died at 24. Therese, pure Giorgio, Aloysius. But anyways, it reminds me very much of St Therese's Little Way where she comes as realization, I can do nothing. And no matter what I do, if it's not what God wants, it doesn't actually matter. But there's like. Is an element of that here which I think is such a. It's such a deep, deep teaching because. Oh, goodness. I mean, we desire to be in control of things. We desire to be in control of our own destiny. And then that can creep obviously into the spiritual realm so much too, that we believe that if I do XYZ things, I will become a saint. I will become that. And there are certain things that the Lord has revealed. Yes, do these things and they will contribute. But that, like, we can take that to the point of I am somehow working out my holiness. And that there's a spiritual pride kind of beneath that, in which, no, we are. You are Clay. The Lord is the Potter whatever he wants you to become and how you often have to let go of even things that you thought were goods like penitential practices. But I always find that such a refreshing thing from Therese. And it sounds like then it. It finds its place in Aloysius where. No, the Lord shapes us. And that's often in ways you just never know. It might be less penitential practices and less complaining or whatever it might be. But it's a great teaching that you can kind of see in him. What are some things that we can learn from him today and integrate kind of into our own lives.
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Yeah. So I think Aloysius. Well, we remember his penitential practices and his prayers, especially before he entered. Right. Where it was even too strict for the Jesuit novitiate at a time where the Jesuits were really hardcore. We could say. Right. We see in his life also a balance. Right. He wasn't just about penance. He wasn't just about prayer. He was also a fairly typical young person wanting to enjoy life in the way teenagers do, but also really striving to avoid sin. And so I think that's a good model for us. In addition, he's also got the faithfulness to the state in life that he's been given. Right. It's not until he's granted the desire of his right of succession is given to his brother that he enters the Jesuits. Right. And wherever his father tells him to go, he goes up into that point.
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That is a great lesson. Yeah. That the obedience to one state in life, even if it. Yeah, you're. You're waiting for something. But. Yeah, it's a great form of trust in the Lord. Well, Dr. Harms, before we. We close, is there anything else about Saint Aloysius to leave the. Our listeners with?
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I think we shouldn't see Aloysius as being from. I mean, well, he was from some kind of distant past. I think the age that he grew up in is very much like our own.
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How so?
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A world that is morally lax, self indulgent, decadent, even focused on comfort and pleasure. Right. And he saw through that and could look toward Christ.
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Yeah. And he offered his life is like a living countersign to the age, which is. Yeah, I agree very much a call on Christians today to be a countersign to the things and the ways of the world in many respects. Well, Dr. Harms, thank you so much. Anything else before I close this out?
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No, I believe. I mean, I'm sure we could talk more about Saint Aloysius, but I think we've covered what we need to cover for today.
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Agreed. And, yeah, especially for any young people out there that are listening or parents or grandparents that have youth. He is the patron of Catholic youth. So a great person to call upon for younger people. And as you said, he gives a great witness of this deep religious conviction, commitment from such a young age. That is truly inspiring. So thank you, Dr. Harms, for joining us to talk about St. Aloysius today. And thank you out there to all of our listeners. We will see you next time on Catholic Saints.
Podcast Summary: Catholic Saints Episode on St. Aloysius Gonzaga
Introduction
In the June 21, 2025, episode of Catholic Saints produced by the Augustine Institute, host Taylor Kemp engages in an insightful conversation with Dr. Ariel Harms, the director of the pastoral theology program at the Augustine Institute's Graduate School of Theology. This episode delves into the life, virtues, and enduring legacy of Saint Aloysius Gonzaga, a revered figure in the Catholic faith and the patron saint of youth.
Personal Anecdote and Introduction to St. Aloysius
00:02 – 02:53
Taylor Kemp opens the episode with a personal story about naming her children after saints, humorously recounting how she initially confused her family by announcing her son's birth name as Aloysius Bernardine Kemp before revealing it was actually Dominic. This anecdote serves as a relatable segue into the discussion of St. Aloysius Gonzaga, highlighting the complexities and beauty of his name.
Notable Quote:
"When you look at it in the English, it's very difficult to figure out how you spell it." – Taylor Kemp [00:15]
Early Life and Spiritual Awakening
02:53 – 06:20
Dr. Harms provides a comprehensive overview of St. Aloysius Gonzaga’s early life. Born on March 9, 1568, in Lombardy, Italy, Aloysius was the eldest of eight children in a noble family. Despite his father's aspirations for him to pursue a military career, Aloysius experienced a profound spiritual awakening at the age of seven. This awakening led him to adopt rigorous religious practices, including daily prayers and devotions, which set him apart from his peers.
Key Points:
Notable Quote:
"By the age of 11, he knew that he didn't want... he was willing to renounce that and give it to his younger brother." – Dr. Ariel Harms [04:29]
Vocation to the Jesuits and Familial Conflict
06:20 – 09:19
Aloysius's commitment to his faith led him to aspire to join the Jesuit order, inspired by the missionary zeal of the Jesuits in India. However, his noble lineage and his role as the heir apparent created significant tension with his family, who preferred he pursue a secular priesthood with the prospect of becoming a bishop. After his service as a page to Don Diego, Prince of Asturias, Aloysius persevered despite familial opposition and secured his entry into the Jesuit novitiate at the age of 18, following the official transfer of his succession rights to his brother.
Key Points:
Notable Quote:
"I am a piece of twisted iron, and I entered the religious life to get twisted straight." – St. Aloysius Gonzaga (as referenced by Dr. Harms) [13:56]
Life as a Jesuit and Acts of Service
09:19 – 11:34
During his novitiate, Aloysius experienced a divine revelation that he had little time left to live. Embracing this vision with joy, he dedicated himself to serving others during the 1591 plague outbreak in Italy. Aloysius volunteered at a Jesuit-run plague hospital, providing spiritual and physical care to the afflicted. His humility was evident as he performed menial tasks despite his aversion to the physical demands of the work. Tragically, his selfless service exposed him to the plague, leading to his untimely death at the age of 23.
Key Points:
Notable Quote:
"He was looking forward to being with God in heaven." – Dr. Ariel Harms [10:00]
Virtues and Patronage
11:34 – 13:56
St. Aloysius Gonzaga is celebrated as the patron saint of youth, not merely due to his young age at death but because of his unwavering commitment to holiness from an early age. His life exemplifies a balanced approach to faith—combining rigorous prayer and penance with active service and personal growth. Aloysius's journey underscores the importance of obedience, both to one's spiritual calling and familial obligations, serving as a model for young Catholics striving for sanctity in their daily lives.
Key Points:
Notable Quote:
"He actually told his confessor, who was none other than St. Robert Bellarmin, about this." – Dr. Ariel Harms [10:28]
Modern Relevance and Lessons
13:56 – 18:16
Dr. Harms emphasizes that St. Aloysius Gonzaga's life offers timeless lessons for contemporary Christians. In an age characterized by moral laxity and self-indulgence, Aloysius stands as a counterexample, advocating for a life centered on Christ and genuine holiness. His struggle between personal asceticism and reliance on divine grace mirrors the spiritual challenges faced today. Aloysius teaches the importance of balancing personal discipline with openness to God's transformative work, encouraging believers to trust in God's plan over their own efforts.
Key Points:
Notable Quote:
"A living countersign to the age, which is... a call on Christians today to be a countersign to the things and the ways of the world in many respects." – Dr. Ariel Harms [17:46]
Conclusion
The episode concludes with Taylor Kemp highlighting St. Aloysius Gonzaga's relevance, especially for young listeners, and Dr. Harms affirming the profound impact of Aloysius’s dedication and faith. Listeners are encouraged to draw inspiration from his life, embodying his virtues of humility, service, and unwavering commitment to God.
Final Quote:
"He gives a great witness of this deep religious conviction, commitment from such a young age. That is truly inspiring." – Taylor Kemp [18:07]
Key Takeaways:
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