Dr. Elizabeth Klein (2:36)

That's really interesting. It kind of reminds me of St. Augustine had a sister who was a nun, and he wrote a rule for her. So this theme of, like, holy brothers and sisters is kind of urging each other on. It's kind of a constant throughout the tradition. I mean, we talked about Saint Macrina and her as well, was with her brothers. It's just. It's kind of. I don't know, it's kind of encouraging for us, for those in families, or maybe discouraging for an unholy example. But that's kind of an encouraging idea that sort of. That holiness can come through, you know, bloodlines, so to speak. It runs in the blood, hopefully, if you're a good example.

Dr. Jessica Murdoch (3:09)

Right. And it seems that this brother and sister were very close to each other, even though they were in their separate monasteries. It said that every year they would meet at a farmhouse because it would have been against the Rule of St. Benedict for them to meet each other's monasteries. So once a year, they would meet at a farmhouse and pass the days in holy conversation, elevating their hearts to God and urging each other on in their monastic life, actually.

Dr. Elizabeth Klein (3:35)

Yeah. And that's really awesome. And the life that Dr. Murray is referring to was written by Pope Gregory the Great, the life of St. Benedict, kind of like a generation after him. So he's the one who records the story of St. Scholastica. If I recall, there's kind of one, like, really cool story of Scholastica near the end of the life of St. Benedict.

Dr. Jessica Murdoch (3:54)

Yes, there is. Gregory the Great does tell us about the last time that St. Benedict and St. Scholastica came together in the farmhouse. They, as usual, pass the hours in holy conversation. And at one point, St. Benedict was trying to leave, and Scholastica asked him to stay, and he was going to deny her because it would have been against his rule to spend a night outside of his monastery. And so Saint Scholastica turned to our Lord and prayed for him to in some way detain her brother. And what happened is a very bad storm came by, and St. Benedict could not go to the monastery that night. As it turns out, this was going to be her last night alive. He returned to his monastery and three days later saw a dove ascending to heaven that represented the soul of his sister.

Dr. Elizabeth Klein (4:51)

Yeah. And then they end up, like, being buried next to each other, right?

Dr. Jessica Murdoch (4:54)

Yes, in the monastery at Monte Cassino.

Dr. Elizabeth Klein (4:57)

And when her prayer is granted, St. Benedict's all upset, as if, you know, she's called down, like a curse or something.

Dr. Jessica Murdoch (5:03)

He did. And she says to him, I asked you and you wouldn't listen. I asked God and it was granted. As if to point out that it was God who wanted this final request.

Dr. Elizabeth Klein (5:14)

Yeah. And the like, kind of the. I think there's a line in there like, she who loved more was granted more. Right. So she's kind of like this patron state of charity, which. It's just very interesting that this Holy sister features so strongly at the end of the life of St. Benedict. Because, of course, it's not the life of saint scholasticism. It's about Benedict. It's about him founding these orders and putting down this rule. And yet the final kind of word almost, because Benedict dies shortly. It's very close to the end. He dies and then is buried next to his sister. It's kind of like the lesson is charity rules all. You know, even though it's, of course, praising The Rule of St. Benedict and the way of life he founded, founding a school for the Lord's Son, service and discipline and all of these things.

Dr. Jessica Murdoch (6:01)

But charity first.

Dr. Elizabeth Klein (6:02)

But still charity first. And that sometimes means not following the rule, because that's actually like he actually broke his own rule. But it's trying to say something about sort of when. When to make those discernments about. About charity first. It. It. I study St. Augustine, so I'm always reminded about things about St. Augustine, no matter what saint we're talking about. But it reminds me of something in a little treatise that Augustine wrote. There's a deacon who wrote to Augustine and said, I get bored listening to myself talk about theology. When someone walks into your door and they say, I want to become a Christian, what do you even say to them? Where do you even start? And how do you stop yourself from being bored? And how do you make time for it? And all these things. Augustine, one of the things he responds is not so much with what to say, but the right disposition to be in when you say it. And he says, like, okay, we all work really hard to make our schedules as best as they can, be most efficient, do our best work for God. But you can be guaranteed that if someone walks in your door and says, I want to be a Christian, that you know what God has planned for you that day.

Dr. Jessica Murdoch (7:10)

Right?

Dr. Elizabeth Klein (7:11)

Like, you drop everything.

Dr. Jessica Murdoch (7:12)

You see this? Even for mothers, I think that's a wonderful example. Even for mothers. Sometimes we try to, you know, get all of our prayers said and have a certain life of piety, and children will just intervene. And the right act of charity is to respond to those needs, sometimes even.

Dr. Elizabeth Klein (7:31)

Over and against the prayer, especially when, like, we sometimes think of spiritual needs in a very like, rigid way of, like, okay, my spiritual needs are like, my holy hour every day, or my Bible time every day. Of course, again, like, this story is saying, rules are good, discipline is good, but there are. If someone. If someone's right there in front of you saying, like, give me Jesus, you know, that's what scholastica is saying, like, I want to have more time with you to talk about the Lord and to encourage my soul. Little does he know, in preparation for her death. But that's a lesson for us, right? If someone comes to us and is asking us for spiritual help, for prayers, for advice, like, we don't know what's going on in their life. We don't know if they're going through something very difficult. We don't know if they. This may be their last day on earth, for all we know. And if we think it doesn't fit into our schedule, then we may never have the time. Right. And so I think it's just. It's just a very beautiful lesson. And that point I made about Saint Mary of Egypt's life is that sometimes, you know, we know these sort of, like, great desert fathers, we know these great male monastics, like St. Benedict, but as in all great stories, there's almost always a woman in the background somewhere. Maybe she's not as sort of put to the fore, although in this story, she really is, in a way, because she's kind of the crowning jewel of the end of the story. But there really is that idea that men and women are in it together, whether or not it's sort of monastic life or hermit life or family life, that God is calling people to love him and to witness in all of these different ways, whether or not.

Dr. Jessica Murdoch (9:08)

And it also demonstrates what the sheer effects that holy families can have on the world. I mean, the amount of vocations coming out of the monastic family, let's say, of Saint Benedict and Saint Scholastica, is amazing. Really?

Dr. Elizabeth Klein (9:24)

Yeah.

Dr. Jessica Murdoch (9:24)

All born from their own holy conversation.

Dr. Elizabeth Klein (9:27)

Yeah. And, you know, we have modern examples too, like with Therese of Lisieux's family. And people really are like, wow, that's. That's so amazing. But it is amazing, of course, but there's a pattern there in the tradition of saints encouraging one another, saints being a holy example, especially in the family. And so that's a good thing to always keep in mind as a parent, especially I'm a parent of young children, and so I don't know what they're going to grow up to do, but maybe if just one of them turns out holy, it could have a really big effect on the rest of the family and they can sort of be there for their brothers and sisters. Because I think that's as a parent, that's what you almost want more than anything is for your children to have a holy friendship, not just with yourself, but with one another. Because this is the kind of thing that happens when those things are able to develop. So maybe that's something we can ask Saint Scholastica to intercede for for holy families and holy examples in our families and for good timing of rainstorms. Thanks for joining us for this little episode on Saint Scholastica. We don't know a lot about her, but the stories about her are very beautiful. And we can be rest assured that St. Benedict's legacy is in part owing to his holy friendship with his sister. So can ask for the intercession of Saint Scholastica.

Dr. Jessica Murdoch (10:49)

Pray for us.

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