Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito - Al Snow

Summary

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Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito – Al Snow (Jan 10, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this engaging episode, host Jeff Zito interviews professional wrestling veteran Al Snow. They explore Al's blue-collar Ohio upbringing, his unusual path into wrestling, his notorious “Head” gimmick and controversies, major career breaks—including his transition from the independent wrestling circuit to the WWE—and his recent ventures, including a starring role in an upcoming film benefitting autism-related charities. Throughout, the conversation stays candid and humorous, illustrating Al’s self-deprecating wit and deep love for the wrestling business.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Al Snow’s Gimmick, Controversy, and “Head”

• The Infamous Action Figure Ban
  • Al recounts how his wrestling “Head” mannequin gimmick led to controversy, ultimately getting his action figure pulled from stores nationwide after a professor alleged it promoted spousal abuse.
  • Quote (Al Snow, 05:37):

    “She showed up at a Walmart, saw the action figure thought it was a decapitated woman's head and then said... it was a training manual for future spousal abusers."

  • The media storm landed Al Snow in national headlines, including Time magazine and Jay Leno’s monologue—what Al jokingly refers to as being "cancelled before cancel culture was even a thing."
  • Quote (Al Snow, 06:26):

    “I was a major news event for like about a week and a half, two weeks. I mean, Jay Leno had it included in his, you know, his monologue... I was getting canceled before cancel culture was even a thing. I've always... been ahead of the curve.”

Ohio Valley Wrestling (OVW) & Reality TV

• OVW’s Ongoing Legacy
  • Jeff and Al discuss the Netflix docuseries Wrestlers, which chronicled Al’s work running Ohio Valley Wrestling with Matt Jones.
  • Al shares updates: OVW still produces weekly live television and operates a certified trade school for wrestling and broadcasting.
  • Matt Jones has stepped back from daily involvement—“an acquired taste,” Al jokes.
  • Quote (Al Snow, 09:14):

    “Still involved, still going... We have a training academy that is the only one certified... as a trade school for professional wrestling and broadcasting in the world.”

• Longevity in Wrestling TV
  • OVW is approaching its 1,400th episode, making it the second-longest running weekly episodic TV show behind WWE Raw.
  • Quote (Al Snow, 11:36):

    “We are the second longest running weekly episodic television show in the history of the medium. The only other one that's ran longer is WWE's RAW... then there's Smackdown... we're coming up on our 1400th episode this year.”

Acting Career and New Film: Learning You

• About the Movie & Role
  • Al Snow discusses his role in the upcoming film Learning You, a heartfelt drama about a single father and his autistic son; Al plays the “Bear Nook Bear,” an imaginary mascot helping guide the father.
  • Al expresses humility about his acting skills:
    • Quote (Al Snow, 13:43):

      “I don't consider myself an actor because... I don't think I can do it very well and two, other people seem to think so... But I'm an entertainer, and I get opportunities to be an actor..."

  • All proceeds from the movie go to autism support.
  • Quote (Al Snow, 15:51):

    “You're not just supporting a great cause... you're actually going to go and watch an enjoyable movie and have a real uplifting story...”

  • Movie premiere: Jan 16, 2026.

Al’s Origins: Family and First Jobs

• Family Background
  • Al reflects on his blue-collar roots in Lima, Ohio; dad was a grain elevator maintenance worker, mom a court stenographer.
  • At 14, Al announced his dream of becoming a wrestler—met with skepticism and amusement from his family.
    • Quote (Al Snow, 17:13):

      “Among the family, I'm the only one that ran away with the circus... I proclaimed to all of my family... that I wanted to be a professional wrestler. And they all looked at me like I had four or five heads...”

• First Job: Dishwasher
  • His only non-wrestling job: dishwashing at a local Italian restaurant, to save money for early wrestling tryouts.
  • Quote (Al Snow, 18:56):

    “I was a dishwasher and I washed dishes to earn money to go to a tryout... basically get the crap beat out of me, have my nose broken and sent back home.”

  • Name of restaurant: Parasan's Family Restaurant, American Mall, Lima, Ohio.

Career Breakthrough: The Dan Severn Connection

• Indirect Penchant for Big Breaks
  • Al’s training of UFC legend Dan Severn led to an impromptu televised moment that caught the eye of wrestling promoter Jim Cornette.
  • Quote (Al Snow, 20:14):

    “I had an opportunity... I met Dan Severn, who is a UFC legend, and Dan wanted to be a professional wrestler. I had opened up my own school... was training Dan... The UFC started, and Dan wanted... to prepare for UFC... (After a fight) I just made a smart remark, I said, ‘Well, he's going to go back in the locker room and have sex. What do you think he's going to do?’ The interviewer just yanked the microphone away and walked away. Jim Cornette... saw that remark... reached out to me and gave me an opportunity...”

  • This led to opportunities with Smokey Mountain Wrestling, and then WWF and ECW, where the “Al Snow with Head” persona was born.
• Al’s Advice on Opportunity
  • Quote (Al Snow, 22:49):

    "I can't encourage people enough. No matter what you're doing, just go do. Go do, do something. Because you just never know the... domino effect of that one little moment that will translate into who knows what."

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [04:27] Al joins the show, banters about his “Head” gimmick and the infamous action figure ban
• [08:19] Updates on OVW, Matt Jones, and the school’s unique credentials
• [11:36] OVW’s place in television history—second-longest episodic show
• [13:34] Al discusses his new film Learning You and acting philosophy
• [17:13] Early life in Ohio, family background, and announcing his wrestling dream
• [18:56] First (and only) non-wrestling job: dishwashing for wrestling tryout funds
• [20:14] Career turning point: training Dan Severn and seizing an unexpected opportunity
• [22:49] Al’s take on seizing unexpected opportunities: “Just go do”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On “Head” controversy:

  “I was getting canceled before cancel culture was even a thing. I've always... been ahead of the curve.” (Al Snow, 06:26)

• On working with Matt Jones:

  “Matt's an acquired taste. Some, some of us just haven't acquired it yet.” (Al Snow, 09:14)

• On his first job:

  “It was named Parasan's Family Restaurant in the American Mall in Lima, Ohio. And I was a dishwasher back in the day... heavy on the cheese. Those dishes were tough to come clean.” (Al Snow, 19:35)

• On career advice:

  “No matter what you're doing, just go do. Go do, do something. Because you just never know the domino effect of that one little moment.” (Al Snow, 22:49)

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

• The conversation is light, good-humored, and self-aware, with Al Snow’s humility and hard-earned wisdom at its core.
• Themes of persistence, unlikely breaks, and embracing one’s path—no matter how unconventional—shine through, making Al’s journey both entertaining and inspiring.
• Al champions getting out of your comfort zone and taking chances, a message he wittily links to both his career and personal philosophy.

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Transcript

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[Jeff Zito]

Hey, Al.

[Al Snow]

Hi, Jeff.

[Jeff Zito]

How are you, man?

[Al Snow]

Better. I'd be jealous of myself, Jeff.

[Jeff Zito]

Right. So I did this today, you know, the guy putting this on, it's like, hey, you want, you want, you want to zoom? And I was like, listen, if there's by chance, you know, the chance that Al is sitting there with head, I'm.

[Al Snow]

Going, I don't, I don't have head right here there in the bedroom. It's still early. They don't like to wake up early, and they'd be pretty cranky anyway. But I do have like, you know, the action figure that got banned from Walmart.

[Jeff Zito]

Right.

[Al Snow]

So there it is. Yeah, yeah.

[Jeff Zito]

So the story, the story with that, Al, was that some tight ass, you know, maybe a school teacher, saw head as being maybe disrespectful or in encouraging kids to hurt women somehow, and she actually got. Got them to pull off, pull the action figure out of everywhere. Right in the height.

[Al Snow]

Yeah, yeah. She was a, she was a assistant professor of all things communications at Kennesaw State College in Georgia. And, you know, because if you're a professor of communications, why would you ever do homework or research on the topic that you're going to, you know, have your opinion about in a public forum? But she showed up at a Walmart, saw the action figure thought it was a decapitated woman's head and then said wrote a letter to Walmart that the Atlanta Constitution, of course published stating that it was a training manual for future spousal abusers.

[Jeff Zito]

I was like, wow, training manual.

[Al Snow]

And then Walmart pulled them from the shelves. And then of course, literally nationwide, every other retail store pulled them off. And it was great for me because I was literally a major news event for like about a week and a half, two weeks. I mean, Jay Leno had it included in his, you know, his monologue. They did a store. I still have the magazine. I did. They did like a two page story in Time magazine on it. So I was getting canceled before cancel culture was even a thing. I've always true. I've been ahead of the curve.

[Jeff Zito]

You are definitely ahead of the curve.

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[Jeff Zito]

I guess the last I heard from you was just a few years ago. Great show. I forgot where it was. Maybe on Netflix. It was all about wrestling. You owned. You and this guy Matt Jones, who's a radio play by play guy for the University of Kentucky Wildcats. He kind of came in. You were. You owned the Ohio Valley Wrestling OVW and, and this guy who I didn't, I didn't like. Okay.

[Al Snow]

Yeah, well, nobody does.

[Jeff Zito]

So it seemed like you had that kind of relationship too. So can you tell me about OVW now? Are you still involved? What's the deal? Matt Jones, all that.

[Al Snow]

Still. Still involved, still going. We produce live television. Outside of AW and wb, we're the only other company, I think in the world that does live television every single week. And we still produce live television. We still are operational. We're still running and, and doing our thing. We're still running. We have a training academy that is the only one that is certified by the state office. Proprietary education as a trade school for professional wrestling and broadcasting in the world. Very proud of that. And yeah, we're still going on. And Matt's kind of moved to the periphery and you know, still around, but doesn't really come around. I think, you know, the shine wore off and, and now he's not as.

[Jeff Zito]

Heavily involved anymore, is still financially involved.

[Al Snow]

Or just indirectly just kind of, kind of there, you know, probably the best thing, honestly. I think so for him too. You know, you know, Matt's an acquired taste. Some, some of us just haven't acquired it yet. But, you know.

[Jeff Zito]

Yes, I mean, look, you know, all you need is to watch a few episodes of any kind of reality show to see what kind of, you know, the guy's personality was off putting. Let's just say that. And then when you mix in the investment into the wrestling, I mean, and it's something that you've done forever, you, you've got experience in this. He walks in, he's a fan of it and walks in and thinks that he can make it successful. You know, I, I get it why it didn't work because I, I wanted.

[Al Snow]

A lot of it. It made for great tv. It made a great story between, you know, the two of us. It was not, that was never intended, but it just, it was, you know, a real documentary. The, you know, the director, you know, was like, hey, I, I just, you guys be you. I just want to capture what you do. And I'm like, don't you worry, I'll be me. And you know, I'm going to be the same me before you get that. You, I was before you got here and I'll be the same one after. And, and you know, they, they did an amazing job. You know, he, the director just put it, knew how to put it together and tell the stories of not just the company but the wrestlers themselves. And you know, one of the wrestlers that was featured on that Cash flow is now a series regular on Tulsa King with Sylvester.

[Jeff Zito]

Oh, really?

[Al Snow]

Yeah, yeah. He plays Bigfoot on Tulsa King, right?

[Jeff Zito]

Oh, yes, I, I, him, yes, I've seen it. He reminds me of Big John Stud a little bit from the old bit.

[Al Snow]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you mentioned that. You're right. He does kind of carry that. He's not as tall.

[Jeff Zito]

Right.

[Al Snow]

But he's just as big and yeah. You know, so it opened up a door of opportunities for him and you know, really happy for him as well. Yeah.

[Jeff Zito]

Because, you know, in his storyline in the documentary, you know, times were tough. He was a tough time making ends meet at one particular point. So it looks like that might have been a really great situation.

[Al Snow]

That's great. Yeah. And it's, it helped us as far as the company is concerned and you know, we're we're just keep plugging. We're actually, and I point this out, that we are the second longest running weekly episodic television show in the history of the medium. The only other one that's ran longer is WWE's RAW is in front of us. You know, other than broadcast news programs, there's Raw, there's us, and then there's smackdown. As far as the longest episodic television shows, wow. Weekly. Wow. You know, we're coming up on our 1400th episode this year.

[Jeff Zito]

People don't realize this that don't live in Ohio, you know, so.

[Al Snow]

Yeah.

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[Jeff Zito]

I want to ask Al the movie this didn't. I just watched the trailer and I was like, wow, this is heavy now.

[Al Snow]

It's very powerful.

[Jeff Zito]

Are you an actor? Have you always dabbled in, in acting? How did you get involved with this?

[Al Snow]

I have. I don't consider myself an actor because one, I don't think I can do it very well and two, other people seem to think so, but hey, and I don't do it for a living, you know, so like I could go to, I can go to Lowe's in my opinion and I can change a faucet in my bathroom. But I don't think I'm a plumber. But, you know, so I'm an entertainer and I get opportunities to be an actor and try to create these characters. And I've done a lot of acting, some of it good, some of it not so good. But I've gotten those opportunities. And much like with this, I know people in that world. The lead actor, John Wells, who is an amazing actor, he's. He really genuinely is, plays the father in this movie, approached me about the opportunity to be the Bear Nook Bear. The son who suffers from, you know, has autism, has that challenge. He has a small child, had a stuffed bear that's a mascot for polar bear for a mascot for ice hockey team. And then I become the figment of the John, the father's imagination and kind of operate like Jiminy Cricket, kind of like a Conscience and help direct and guide him in dealing with the challenges with his son throughout the movie. And it's at times can be a little intense because it doesn't shy away from the real challenges I think that people encounter in these situations. But using the bear's character, it's my hope that it alleviates or lightens it up and adds some levity in throughout the story.

[Jeff Zito]

And the film is called the Learning Way. It's in theaters everywhere on January 16th. And 100% of the proceeds go to support families with children with autism. I think that's absolutely.

[Al Snow]

Yeah. You're not just supporting the great cause. I mean, and I wouldn't say it if, if I didn't really mean it. You're actually going to go and watch an enjoyable movie and have a real uplifting story that there are a lot of people out there that can relate to it right now. Right. And didn't mean to correct you, but it's called Learning you the title.

[Jeff Zito]

Oh, I'm sorry. The Learning you. Yes. Sorry, I'm sorry. Yes. But Dyslexic.

[Al Snow]

There's, you know, it's, it's about the single father who is facing both the personal and professional challenges of his regular life and then trying to deal with and give his son the best life that he can and, and give those experiences to him as best he can.

[Jeff Zito]

And it's in theaters again January 16th. The learning you. Al, can you take me all the way back before wrestling? I mean, can you tell us a little bit about growing up in Ohio? Can you tell me about what your parents did for work? How the hell did you end up in wrestling?

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Al, can you take me all the way back before wrestling? I mean, can you tell us a little bit about growing up in Ohio? Can you tell me about what your parents did for work? How the hell did you end up in wrestling?

[Al Snow]

Well, I definitely among the family, I'm the only one that ran away with the circus. All of my family, both on both sides, you know, were just blue collar workers, you know, just working in different things. My father worked in maintenance at a grain elevator in Lima, Ohio. And, you know, my mother worked in the courts as a stenographer and as a court secretary and for a judge. And, you know, and then I was around 14 and I proclaimed to all of my family that very proudly that I wanted to be a professional wrestler. And they all looked at me like I had four or five heads. And we're all, all of Them summarily said, why do you want to do that? That's fake. And I was just aghast. I was like, what? I was appalled. And, you know, and then I made the decision to do it, started pursuing it, which, of course, you know, at 14 was not going to happen. By the time I was graduating high school, things fell into place and really took a lot to convince this guy to train me and mentor me in 1982. May 11, I think I always thought it was May 22, but I saw somebody sent me a copy of the poster. It was apparently May 11, 1982. I had my first match in Springfield, Ohio, and the two ring, 20 man battle royal, and I was off to the races.

[Jeff Zito]

Wow. Was there another job before wrestling? Did you ever do anything else? Tell me about your first job and maybe some of the other jobs.

[Al Snow]

I mean, I took on a job at an Italian restaurant. I was a dishwasher, and I washed dishes to earn money to go to a tryout in Charlotte, North Carolina, and basically get the crap beat out of me, have my nose broken and sent back home.

[Jeff Zito]

So worked in an Italian restaurant. Any other jobs you can remember having throughout your career? Maybe, if you needed to pretty much.

[Al Snow]

It, that was it.

[Jeff Zito]

Wrestling an Italian restaurant.

[Al Snow]

It was named Parasan's Family Restaurant in the American Mall in Lima, Ohio. And I was a dishwasher back in the day. And back there, just scrubbing, scrubbing plates and. Right. You know, you know, an Italian restaurant. Heavy on the cheese.

[Jeff Zito]

So heavy.

[Al Snow]

Those dishes were tough to come clean.

[Jeff Zito]

And a big break. Can you think of a moment where everything changed for you, Al? Was it the gimmick with head? I mean, what was your. The big break that kind of launched you to become a WWE Superstar?

[Al Snow]

I think, you know, the one real moment that things started to kind of turn because I had, at that point in time, I had been doing it for. Been a professional Wrestler for probably 10, 11 years. And I had an opportunity that came. Was born out of. I met Dan Severin, who is a UFC legend, and Dan wanted to be a professional wrestler. And I had opened up my own school in Lime, Ohio, and training was training Dan to be a professional wrestler. And then the UFC started, and Dan wanted to be a part of that. One thing led to another, and he wanted somebody to train him to prepare for UFC. And I did that. It was UFC 4 out in Tulsa, and was in his corner and made kind of a smart remark after the second fight, because, remember, back then, you had to fight three times in the same night. Right. It's like a tournament, right? You know, so Dan had just fought, his second fight, had won. And the commentator, you know, the interviewer comes over. And I knew he was just trying to get Dan to say something to kind of. Because the whole thing was about the gray season. It was about hoist, which was good for them. But, you know, he's trying to ask him questions about, oh, you just won your second fight and, you know, what are you going to do now? Like. Like trying to get him to really put over hoist. Gracie and Dan at the time, probably not one of the best talkers. And I just made us more. I said, well, he's going to go back in the locker room and have sex. What do you think he's going to do? And the interviewer just yanked the microphone away and walked away. And Jim Cornette, a wrestling legend, was at the time owned and operated Smokey Mountain Wrestling and saw me and saw that remark I made. Get out of it. And then reached out to me and gave me an opportunity. And then that led, you know, to meeting Jim Ross, who then led to an opportunity with wwf and then, you know, and then me getting frustrated, going to ecw, developing Persona there, and then coming back to wwe. Wow. Yeah.

[Jeff Zito]

Very, very cool. So it was training Dan Severin the Beast, that quick little clip got the attention of the legendary Jim Cornett. Go ahead.

[Al Snow]

I can't encourage people enough. No matter what you're doing, just go do. Go do, do something. Because you just never know the. The domino effect of that one little moment that will translate into who knows.

[Jeff Zito]

What that is it. The film is called the learning you January 16th. The legendary Al Snow. A pleasure.

[Al Snow]

Thank you so much, Very much. Thank you. I really appreciate you giving me the time. Happy New Year.

[Jeff Zito]

There you go. Al Snow, blue collar guy from a blue collar family in Lima, Ohio. Al says his father was a maintenance man at a elevator company and his mother was a court stenographer. And Al said he was the only one in his family that made the decision to, quote, unquote, run away with the circus. He said he. He announced to everybody at the age of 14 that professional wrestling was what he wanted to do. I thought it was pretty funny. He said he's only really had one job outside of wrestling, and that was washing dishes at an Italian restaurant. And he was, you know, just kind of still working in wrestling and trying to make ends meet. But he said that was his only real job that he's ever had outside of the wrestling business. He talked about his big break and when he was training UFC legend Dan the Beast Severin and he said he was a professional wrestler for like 10 years at the time, but he's training Severin and it was on one of the early UFC fights that was televised and I guess he said something stupid on camera. And legendary professional wrestling manager Jim Cornett, you might remember him, he was the guy with the tennis racket. He ended up seeing that and ended up reaching out to Al and gave him a shot at his promotion, Smoky Mountain Wrestling, which kind of led to him becoming Al Snow with Head. I thought it was such a great gimmick too, you know, I thought it was pretty cool. Al like gave little advice at at the end there saying like, hey look, you just, you never know. So just get out there and and do is what Al said because the domino effect and it happened to him. You got to check out this trailer for his new movie. It's called the Learning. You, you can go to learningyou movie.com to check out the trailer. It's pretty heavy and it hits theaters next week. Learningyou movie.com so thank you so much for listening to another episode of the Celebrity Jobber podcast. Past guests and episodes online, celebrityjobber.com, follow on Instagram, celebrityjobberpodcast and the YouTube channel, which is YouTube.com the celebrity jobber on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Iheart. Wherever you listen to podcasts, please hit that subscribe button. Would love a five star rating if you like the podcast and please leave a review. Once again, happy New Year. Thanks for listening and until next week. I'll see you then. I'm Jeff Zito.

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