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Jeff Zito
Hey, it's Jeff Zito and thanks for checking out another episode of the Celebrity Jobber Podcast. Talking to celebrities about before they were famous and their rise to the top and exactly what it was. Was there a big break? Was it a gradual rise? Something that happened that changed their life forever? I wanted to take this time to remember the late, great John Lodge for From the Moody Blues who just passed away this morning, October 10th. He was 82 years old. Not only was John Lodge a guest on the Celebrity Jobber podcast a little over a year ago, episode 98 if you wanted to go back and check it out on celebrityjobber.com, but John was the father of a friend of mine, Christian Lodge, who I worked with for a few years in Fort Myers, Florida. He was an ad executive at a radio station that I worked at. We developed a friendship over time without me actually knowing that his father was the legendary Moody Blues frontman. So my thoughts and prayers go out to Christian Lodge and the entire Lodge family. Moody Blues singer John Lodge passes away today at the age of 82 years old. And once again, if you wanted to go back and check out the full interview, it's episode number 98 and you can go to celebrityjobber.com check out all past guests and episodes we're streaming on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Iheart or wherever you listen to podcasts. We'd love you to subscribe and if you like the podcast, would love a 5 star rating. Please also leave a review. You can also follow on Instagram, celebrityjobberpodcast or our YouTube channel, which is YouTube.com theatsigncelebrityjobber. My guest this week, very talented, started off as a newsman, transitioned into a musician, and now a song that he created in the 90s, Round Ball Rock is the new nostalgic theme song of the NBA. This year in 2025, we'll talk about his early life, his family, what they did. How did John Tesh become the renaissance man that he is today? Hosts his own radio show. I mean, the guy does it all. So without further ado, John Tesh is my guest this week here on Celebrity.
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Jobber, the Celebrity Jobber podcast with Jeff Zito. If you like what you hear, please subscribe, give a five star rating and leave a review. Check out all our past episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you pod. What if these celebrities weren't famous? What would they have become? What was their first job? We're about to find out.
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Jeff Zito
There he is.
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John Tesh
What's happening?
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Jeff Zito
How are you, John?
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John Tesh
I'm doing well, thanks.
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Jeff Zito
You know, it's funny, I was waiting for you, and the only thing going through my head was, da da da da da da da da. It's kind of, kind of amazing when, you know, first of all, I'm kind of. I guess I'm kind of mesmerized by stuff like that. You know, being in this business, like sound design and, you know, kind of excites me a little bit. And I didn't know that was your song for, For a lot of years. And it is just so synonymous with the NBA and now coming back. And I mean, how does that even. How did that ever become what it is today, such an iconic song?
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John Tesh
Yeah, I mean, I, I wake up every morning and go, how did that. That's the same question. And, and it was. And it was dormant for a good 20 years. I think that, I think the real reason is, I mean, it's a. There's a lot of sports themes out there. And I think what happened was. I know what had, what happened was that when it was on the air was sort of the halcyon days of the NBA. They beat me. It was Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Scottie Pippen, all the guys. And in the Showtime era and Marv Albert and Bob Costas. And so it was a very dramatic time. And when this song was happening, nobody was really thinking, oh, my gosh, this song. But I think it just, It's a big nostalgia play now for NBC for sure.
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Jeff Zito
Big time. Big time, man. Well, I mean, look, thanks for doing this. If you don't mind all the way back when you were just a kid. I mean, I know music was a part of your life when you were. When you were younger, but what did you want to do? I mean, mom and dad were, you know, for lack of a better term, they. They were both regular. You know, they had regular jobs. They were regular people. Dad was a chemist, if I'm. If I'm correct. And mom was in the nursing field, so. So they're not into show biz. Well, tell me, tell me how this came about.
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John Tesh
You've done some research. Yeah. My mom was a retired surgical nurse raising three kids, and my dad was a textile chemist. He. He was the. He was the underwear king. He was the vice president of Hanes Underwear. So we. I got my underwear free for 18 years. I don't even remember my mom ever washing any under. At 18, though, I was on my own. My mom was where she. She wanted her kids to be musicians. And so at 6 years old, I was placed at a piano for. For two hours every day and playing scales, playing Hannon Exercises and Rachmaninoff and Stravinsky and all that. And both my sisters, one of them also played piano, and. And they were older than me, 11 years older than me. The other one played cello. And then you. Where I was born in 52. And so in 1960, you know, it was garageband time. You know, Billy Joel was on Long island playing in a band called the Hassles. I think every other person was in a rock band, you know, with the Beatles and the Doors and, you know, all of it. And so. And then I also. I went to a school that, if you look back. When I look back, it really was a performing arts school is the way you would describe it today, where you had to either play an instrument or be in the choir or be in theater. And so they gave me. They had all of us put a list down for choices of which instrument we wanted to play. And so I put down drums. Drums and drums. And so they gave me a trumpet because there were no drums in the orchestra. There was percussion. And so, yeah, so my whole life was music. And when I went. When it was time for me to go to college, my dad enrolled me in NC State University in the textile chemistry program for obvious reasons, because he thought I would starve to death if I was a musician. And he's probably right then as well. And so I lasted for about three years, played on the soccer and the lacrosse teams there, and barely hung on like a 1.9 GPA. And I was always in the practice room, you know, in those rooms, playing piano. And I knew I needed to switch my major after taking a radio and television course. And I got bit by the same bug you got bit by, you know, it's not sound as back there, back then. You know, sounds and all that stuff. And I went to my professors and said, I want to change. I want to drop these. These courses, and I want to change my major. And everybody said, fine, because I was. I was bringing down their. They're messing up their cur. And my statistics professor said, no, you have to. We're after the drop ad point here. You have to stick it out. And so I went back to my fraternity house, and two of my brothers just said, wow, that's ridiculous. Do it. Do what we do. You just sign your professor's name to the drop ad card. This is not a. This is not a story that everybody knows, because I don't enjoy telling it. And so I did, and it worked for a little while. And then three months later, and it was summer vacation, the chancellor sent a letter to my dad saying that I had violated the honor code of NC State. And I was being suspended, and.
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Jeff Zito
Oh, no.
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John Tesh
And then my dad kicked me out of the house.
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Jeff Zito
Oh, no.
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John Tesh
So here I am in Raleigh. I mean. I mean, I drove back to Raleigh because it's all I knew, which is where NC State is, of course. And I was. I worked construction, and I was. I was a waiter, and I got a job sweeping the floors at Rick D's station, wkix. And that's really how I got. I got started in the. In radio television, and eventually ended up at, you know, Boom boom, you know, CBS News and then CBS Sports in 1982, where they. They hired me to do events like the Tour de France and Ironman and stuff like that. And they needed music. And that's really. Sorry for the long story, but that's really how that. How that happened.
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Jeff Zito
Yeah.
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Jeff Zito
Were you like me, John? Did everybody tell you, like, hey, communications. That's the easy major. And then, you know, and. But then you get up in front of 200 people in a speech class, and you're like, wait, this is. This is.
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John Tesh
Yeah, exactly.
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Jeff Zito
I didn't expect this.
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John Tesh
Well, and the wild thing is, too, is that, you know, back then in. And this was. This was 1973, not everybody wanted to be Walter Cronkite, Barbara Walters, you know, so there were lots of openings, and in in that time period, 73, 74 through 76, that's when action News happened and when there was happy talk news where the weatherman would banter with the sports guy. And that wasn't happening before. And newscasts were 15 minutes. But all of a sudden, the stations realized they could make some money by extending their newscasts. And so I started in, left WKIX and started in Raleigh on the news, and then sent a tape out. Remember how we used to send tapes out?
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Jeff Zito
Tape and resume?
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John Tesh
I sent a tape out to Orlando, ended up there for about four months. And then there was a guy who was watching television. He was at the Nashville station where Pat Sajak was doing the weather and Oprah Winfrey was a reporter. And he saw me on the news in his hotel room, and he called me up and said, young man, you're coming to work for me. And it was really. It was like a 1950s film. His name was Irving Waugh. And I just went back to Nashville. They're celebrating their 75th anniversary of the station. And I went there and Sajak was doing the weather. Oprah Winfrey was on the. Was on the competing station. And I started. I was there for a year and a half. I sent out tapes and I got a call from New York. And so CBS called me. And so I ended up as a reporter there. And in that newsroom to my left was John Stossel. Brian Williams was in there, Meredith Vieira. And then I got a call from CBS Sports saying, hey, we want you to come work for us for the network. And I said, you got the wrong guy. I thought I was being punked. You got the wrong guy. I can't name three NFL football teams. And they said, no, the sports we'd have in mind for you, because they'd see me doing some ad lib. Ad libbing. You know, news events are events nobody knows the rules to. And they were right. You know, downhill skiing, gymnastics, figure skating and all that. And they all needed. They all needed music themes. And so I started knocking out these themes and just saying, hey, what about this? What about that? And I was doing them in my basement with my Prophet 10 synthesizer with an Oberheim and a Voyager, a Voyager 3, and electric pianos, you know, and. And that was that sound. It's now back that 80s.
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Jeff Zito
Unbelievable.
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John Tesh
All those instruments are back. And. And I just. I've just finished a record and I dug all of that stuff out of storage and. And use it on the record.
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Jeff Zito
Awesome. John, you were talking about sweeping floors for Rick D's people Don't realize it wasn't the same Rick D's that we're talking about now, right? I mean, he was in Raleigh. He was. He was.
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John Tesh
He.
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Jeff Zito
He didn't become who. I mean, he wasn't Disco Duck at the time. So you were working with a guy who's gonna be a star. But. But what I wanted to ask was, what was your very first job? You had that job. That's what. That was Your. Your first job after college. You said you were a waiter. You did a couple odd jobs. But what was your very, very first gig ever?
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John Tesh
I. There was a store. It was a furniture store. I can't remember the name of it, and I probably will by the end of this conversation, but it was in Garden City, where I grew up, and it was on 7th street, and I was the guy that painted the sale signs. So there were those little signs that they stick up. It says the sale price, right? And it was. You know, I had, like. I had a printing press and I had to lay the. Let the letters out and print the sign for that. And then after that, when I was still in high school, I managed the Garden City Cheese Shop. Gosh, I haven't told this story in so long. So it was. The guy who ran the cheese shop was named Harold Varnhagen from Germany, of course. And so it was me and another guy. And he would give it. He was always hammered on red wine, and he would blindfold us. And then you had to learn the smell of German tilsitre, Danish fontina, and cheddar. And so my job was to make the cheddar cheese balls. And you had like a. Like a smock. Like a. Almost like a doctor's coat that you would wear. Right. So I would do that, you know, after. After school. I get three days a week when I wasn't with. When I wasn't playing ball. And I actually. And I had acne during that time, too, so I smelled like Clearasil and feta. Feta cheese. Which explains why I never had a date when I was in high school. So that was probably my. My most memorable first job was. Was working at the Garden City Cheese Shop.
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Jeff Zito
Yeah, it's definitely a different first job, for sure. I haven't heard that one yet. That's good. That's really good. I've heard a lot of good ones. That's a good one, though.
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Jeff Zito
What about the moment, if there was one? I mean, you have such a long career, you know, from being a reporter to Entertainment Tonight. The, you know, the sports themes. I mean, you're, you know, kind of a Renaissance man, John. Radio show, you know, albums, tours, the whole nine. Was there a. I don't want to say a big break, but was there a moment, a phone call, a particular thing that changed your life forever after? Was there a moment that was. That you could tell me about that was not necessarily a big break? You've been working a long time and hard at, you know, at becoming who you've become. But that one thing, that life changing thing, what was it?
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John Tesh
I think it was being kicked out of school. I think it was. I was homeless for about four or five months. I had a pup tent that I had from Boy Scouts. But when my dad called me into his office in Winston Salem, in our house, and he was holding a letter from the chancellor that said I had broken the honor code, he went through this whole thing. He said, you have shamed me. You've shamed your mom, you've shamed your mom's bridge club, you've shamed the underwear division of Hanes. I had a hard time keeping a straight face. And he was holding it like he was a chief petty officer in the Navy in World War II. And he was. If he hadn't done that and if the statistics professor hadn't turned me in for forging his signature, I'd probably be making underwear now. Not, not that there's anything wrong with that, but that, that was a seminal moment was, was being in a tent in a park in Raleigh. And I was just back there reliving all of this, you know, 53 years ago. And I would wake up in the morning with the sun and my, my phone was. That was about, you know, 20 yards away. And I would give that phone number out. And then, and then when the sun went down, I couldn't even. As depressed as I was, I couldn't even drink because I didn't have any money. And so I would, I would say that that was really the time. And then, and I tell this story to communications kids now where I went to the radio station at a certain point after about two months, I said, I have to do something. You. I was a golden spoon kid growing up in Garden City. I mean, we pretty much had everything. And now all of a sudden, I had nothing and not even a future, right? And so I went to WKNC radio on the campus of NC State, and I knew a guy there and I said, is there a chance that I could use your facility to Do a demo tape. Because I'd gone around to several radio stations in town thinking that I'd be able. Because I had had, you know, I'd had a TV and Radio 101 course. And. And so I went around to these stations and they said, you don't, you don't have any, you know, you don't have any and you don't have a demo tape. You don't have any skills at all. You don't have any experience. So I went there and I said, is there a chance I could get in there and do a, you know, and do a demo? And so the guy gave me the keys to, to the, to the radio station, which was ridiculous. Yeah. And I got in there like midnight and I, and I've done this demo on stage before and people can't believe it. And I basically. They had a manual typewriter, they had a microphone. They had, they actually had like an upright piano for some reason. And I went in there and I did a fake broadcast and I did. This is something that you would do, right? And I played the, played a stupid theme and with the reel to reel tape rolling and I was like, this is John Tesh and wkix, the Rick D station was. They had a newscast called 2020 News. And they still remember this to this day. And so I said, this is John Tesh, WKIX 2020 News. Today, Dr. Henry Kissinger had this to say about the possibility of peace in the Middle East. We switch you live now to. And I was going on the piano live now to correspondent Maurice Gindy. That's a real name. Maurice Gindy in Cairo.
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Jeff Zito
This is Maurice Gindy in Cairo. Today, Dr. Henry Kissinger had this to.
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John Tesh
Say about the possibility of peace in the Middle East.
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Jeff Zito
I think it's like the old Saturday Night Live bit that you did it in real life.
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John Tesh
Yeah, I think there is a possibility of peace in the, in the Middle east, you know, and. Okay, back to you in the studio, John. This is John, WKX studio. Let's go up to the Eye in the sky and Bill Leslie. Yeah. You know, traffic is reasonably heavy. You know, it was like the hippie dippy weatherman with George Carlin, you know.
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Jeff Zito
Unbelievable.
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John Tesh
And I took this tape and I, and I took it to wkix right to the woman at that reception. And I told her my story about being homeless and all that. And I think she really felt sorry for me. And she somehow got it to Scott White who And then, you know, they, years ago they inducted me into the radio hall of fame. And I was able to bring Scott there, and we told this story together. And Scott called my payphone next to the tent, and I didn't know who he was at the time, obviously. And he goes. And I go, hello? And he goes, is this John Tesh? And I said, yes, it is. Who's this? He go, this is Scott White. And I said, who are you? He goes, I'm the news director, WKIX Radio. He goes, where am I. Where am I calling you? And I said, well, in my office.
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Jeff Zito
Oh, that's so great, man.
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John Tesh
He said, did you make this tape? And I said, yeah. He goes, well, all of us over here are laughing our asses off, and if you would go to this, this far to try and get a job, I'll give you a job. Just come by and meet me tomorrow at the station. And I did. And they literally. I was erasing tapes, you know, racing cards and sweeping the floor. And as it happens in the Cinderella story, where a guy came in drunk on the weekend and they fired him, and I ended up reading the news on Sunday night, there it is.
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Jeff Zito
It's just. You were prepared. And, you know, it's funny about that whole story is that you weren't really trying to pull a fast one on anybody. They knew you were joking around. They weren't like, oh, this guy is doing a really great broadcast. They're like, listen to this guy. And then you helicopter. They're cracking up. But they were like, well, this guy has. Taking it this far. You got to come to work. That's such a great story, John. Incredible, man. Incredible.
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Jeff Zito
These days keeping you busy? Radio show. What else keeping you busy these days? New album coming out. You're going to be touring. What have you been doing?
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John Tesh
I think you just answered your own question. Yeah, it's. I. I realized, you know, in 2015, I walked into a doctor's office here in. In Los Angeles and walked out with 18 months to live. I had a rare form of prostate cancer. And. And they doctor told my wife and I that I should get my affairs in order. And so I started doing that. And, yeah, and checking my insurance, I was going to sell my music catalog, which included Round Ball Rock, by the way. And my wife just said, she's Italian from the Bronx. And she just said, no, this is not us. We're not doing this. And so long, long, painful story with surgeries and chemo and all kinds of stuff. Short, we combined the word of God and What the Bible said about health and healing with some smart people in the medical field and with visualization, the stuff that I had learned from watching high level athletes visualize their success. And then we mixed it with faith and I'm ten and a half years out with the same chance of living to 100 as you do. And so that, that fight, it didn't just instantly end in success. It took a while. In fact, you know, still on, on and off, I'm getting scanned and taken care of, you know, and things like that. But when something like that happens to you, you get busy, right? And so I, my son Gib just said, you know, I'm a grandpa now. So he said, pop up. You know, I never see you fully alive unless you're sitting in a studio or on stage. And so to answer your question about what, you know, what are you doing? I'm. Just a year ago when they announced that Round Ball Rock was coming back, I just said, you know what? I really love writing sports music, writing big bombastic themes. And so worked for a year with an orchestra, with some new live players who were incredible and created this thing that, like all sports, why not call it that? And, and so if you put this thing on, you will. It's not easy listening music. It's just, it's music to work out to, it's music to get up to and it's music to be inspired by. And that's, that's really just like when I was six years old, you know, when, when everybody wanted me to, well, my family wanted me to make underwear. I was, I, I knew that, you know, sitting at a keyboard was really, and creating stuff. And you know, when you're, when you're in a van on the side of a mountain in France trying to write music as quickly as possible for that day's Tour de France, you learn very, very quickly how to compose the picture.
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Jeff Zito
You remember the old CDs, John? Jock jams. This reminds me of maybe like an album full of jock jams that people just might not know yet.
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John Tesh
Yeah, yeah, well. And you know, part of what I had to do when I was, I mean I was, I was an athlete, so I, I, I was a walk on at NC State in soccer and lacrosse only because their teams were so bad back in, in 1970. And, and our, our teams in Garden City were so good at in those, those sports. So I sat on the bench. This happens to a lot of people. I sat on the bench in, in Garden City and then I was, you know, I had an Opportunity to, To play at a D1 school in, in. In. At North Carolina State, just because their programs weren't, you know, weren't advanced at that, at that point. And now today, the team. Today team is number one soccer team. But it was. I always realized that working out, running and all that stuff, just like, I mean, I'm sure you feel the same way, is really the best way to beat any sort of depression and the best way to get you going. And certainly when I was going through all those cancer treatments, you end up with sarcopenia, which, among other things, which is muscle wasting. You know, the treatments that they put you through, your muscles just shrink. And I realized that the only way to survive was to get on the other side of that. So, you know, this is my house, and so behind me there is just the backyard, and it's just filled with kettlebells and battle ropes and slam balls and stuff like that. And so all throughout the day, whether I'm doing the radio show or whatever, it's. It's just. It's just designed to, to stay in shape, you know.
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Jeff Zito
Man, I tell you what, John, beautiful home. And I mean, a renaissance man, you know, really, really. There's so, so much that, that you do at a high level. It's inspiring to a lot of people. Even listening to your radio show, it seems like you're, you know, you've got words of wisdom all the time. And I never asked this, but if, If I could. And my mom, big John Tesh fan, just fell, broke her hip in three places. Carol, she's in the hospital. Any words of encouragement for her?
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John Tesh
Carol, I just believe that God wants you well. I just believe that whatever you're going through, the pain and what the doctors are going to do, how they're going to put you back together, you're going to be victorious and just be able to see yourself, you know, whether it's Michael Phelps or Franz Klommer or Kerry Strugg won the gold medal in the Olympics, they were all able to see themselves on the medal stand. And so your medal stand is walking every day with no pain when you get on the other side of this. And we can both see that for you, and so make sure that you can see that in your mind's eye. We'll be praying for you, Connie. And I'll be praying for you because now we know who you are. And I just see. I see victory for you, John.
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Jeff Zito
Thank you so much. And like I said, Mom's a big John Tesh fan. She's Been to a lot of your concerts, but I don't want to be out of line. Dad's a big Connie Celica fan, so.
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John Tesh
Yeah, of course. You know what's really funny is that Connie has stayed friends with a lot of the people that she worked with. And we were just watching because it popped up on YouTube. We were just watching clips from the. From the show P.S. i Love youe that she did with Greg Evigan, who's also a friend. You remember Greg from My Two Dads.
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Jeff Zito
I do.
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John Tesh
Who's a great singer and songwriter. And we were. That. That was the show. P.S. i love you. That was the show that she was doing that I met her. I met her in Palm Springs. So. Yeah, so we just. We just went through 33 years. She's the one that really kept me alive. You know, she's just dropped everything and. And made sure that I was being taken care of and I was going through my cancer battle. And now. And now we got three grandkids. Thirteen between nine and 13 years old. And it's a lot of soccer, I won't lie.
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Jeff Zito
That's cool. That's a lot of fun. I love. I can't wait to start going to sporting events. Once again, John Tash. An absolute pleasure and thank again a Renaissance man. I'm pretty pumped for. I'm pretty pumped for this NBA season to come back, too. So I can hear Round Ball Rock, but you've been great.
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Podcast Announcer
Real.
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John Tesh
It's gonna be. It's gonna be fun. I want to see. I want to see video of you working out to the playlist.
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Jeff Zito
I don't know if you're gonna like that video so much, but you got it. Thanks again, John.
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John Tesh
Thanks for the great questions. It was fun.
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Jeff Zito
Have a great day. Thank you.
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John Tesh
Bye Bye.
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Jeff Zito
John Tesh from Entertainment Tonight, of course, a very talented and established musician. He has the theme song for the this year round Ball Rock, which was originally done in the 90s, yet it's a very famous instrumental in sports. You know, interesting to hear. His mother was a nurse, his father in the underwear business, and actually even pushed John to, you know, have a career in the underwear biz at Hanes, but not for John, you know, so John seemed like he was floundering a little bit. And that tough love from his father saying, like, you know, hey, get out of the house, get a job, was an important thing that happened in John's life. I love the story of how he recorded a fake radio broadcast. Just kind of like Saturday Night Live, one of those old bits. And it worked getting him in the biz and he talked about some of his earlier jobs and first job was at a cheese shop, which is definitely a first for the Celebrity Jobber Podcast, the sports album by John Tesh currently out now. And you can go to tesh.com to learn more about the great John Tesh, my guest this week on Celebrity Jobber. Thanks so much for listening. You know we're consistently in the top five on the Apple Podcast music and music interviews choice. So thank you. You can check out past guests and interviews on celebrityjobber.com so until next week, thank you once again for listening to another episode of the Celebrity Jobber Podcast. See you soon. I'm Jeff Zito.
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American Express Narrator
Corporate megastores are spending millions lobbying D.C. politicians on one sided policies that send small businesses tumbling. They want to enact harmful credit card mandates that take resources away from your local credit union and community bank, leaving Main street businesses with less access to credit, making it harder for your family to pay for everyday goods like gas and groceries. Tell Congress to guard your card and oppose the Durbin Marshall credit card mandates.
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Podcast Announcer
Paid for by Electronic Payments Coalition.