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hey, it's Jeff Zito and thanks for checking out another episode of the Celebrity Jobber Podcast streaming on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Iheart, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Please hit that subscribe button. Would love a five star rating and please leave a review. And of course you can go back and check out all of our past guests and episodes on celebrityjobber.com what would have become of some of these people if they they didn't get their big break? You know, what would they be doing? For my guest today, Robert Fitzgerald Diggs, things weren't easy. He was faced with eight years in jail after a shootout in Ohio back in 1992. He said, quote, when they said not guilty, my face stuck in a smile for three days. I was just walking around town thinking about my daughter, my wife. Right then I said goodbye to anything that would have put me in that situation again. I was up on trial on an attempted murder charge. I was a motherf ing fool with all that knowledge in my head and ending up there. End quote. This is the story of a man getting a second chance and taking full advantage of it. He's a rapper, he's a record producer, a composer, an actor and a filmmaker. Who was Robert Fitzgerald Diggs? What was his first job or jobs, his big break? You're about to find out. Wu Tang Clan's RZA is my guest this week on Celebrity Jobber, the Celebrity Jobber Podcast with Jeff Zito. If you like what you hear, please subscribe, give a five star rating and leave a review. Check out all our past episodes on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you find what if these celebrities weren't famous, what would they have become? What was their first job? We're about to find out. Bobby Digital in the building. What's up, man? Really?
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
I got my blazer on. So they've been wearing this blazer for a few days. Like. Like, not a few days. Like, I got, like, honey, I've been traveling, right? So all I got is, like, five blazers, right? Traveling for, like, 10, 12 days. So it's like, I'm circulating this one. I realized I. I had it on. Seen this on the Jason Lee show. Oh, that was. Yeah, that was a while ago.
Jeff Zito
Yeah. Anyway, it looks. I only have one. I only have one, so you got five, dude. First of all, I'm a real big fan. I'm from New Jersey. I do a radio show on the Jersey Shore. 95. 9 the rats. So it's really cool talking to you. Can you. I mean, I just saw the trailer for One Spoon of Chocolate, and so I had no idea that Quentin Tarantino was involved with this. I was blown away. You know, you think. Do you ever think back to, like, a young rza? You ever think back to a young Robert Day? You think, like, hey, after the second chance that you got, writer, producer, director, rapper, record producer, filmmaker, composer, you ever. Did you ever dream this would be your life back then?
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
I mean, I may have dreamed it, but to live the dream, that's, you know, can you make it to that dream? Can you make it to those points? That's the magic of it, right? That's the. That's the grace, you know, that's why I give all praises due to Allah every day. I'm thankful, I'm grateful. That's the grace. And I will honestly tell you, Jeff, that some of these accomplishments were very unattainable. I saw them as unattainable, especially as a film director. I would cut school and go hang in movie theaters. You know what I mean? And then when I was going to school, I didn't have a nickel for the bus, so I would walk. But when I walked, I would entertain myself with movies in my own head, like, make up movies and make up stories, and people thought I was crazy because I'm walking and talking to myself a little bit. You know what I mean? But that was the kid I was. And then, of course, I got into negativity and negativity that took me down a rabbit hole that just caused pain, destruction, and even death of some good people that I loved, because that's how the streets are. But when the second chance came, And I was advised by my mother, advised by my heart and my soul to stay positive. Everything changed, and. And then the dreams started coming to reality. So, you know, I'm. I'm. I read the Bible. You know, I read the Bible since I was a kid. And it says for every positive, for every negative action you do, we give you a negative in return. But for every positive, we multiply you. You know what I mean? And I've been fruitful, and I multiply by doing positive.
Jeff Zito
It's pretty. Just an incredible story. I mean, looking back at the. At your history. I just wanted to get into one spoon of chocolate for a little bit as I just watched the trailer. Quentin Tarantino involved. You were writer, producer, director. Was this all in your head a long time ago? Did it just come to you a few years ago? Where. Where did the film start in. In your mind?
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
Well, the first attempt at the screenplay started in around 2011. I got about 40 pages done. Then I got stuck. I couldn't continue. I tried it again around 2015 before I did A Cutthroat City, and I got stuck again, maybe another five or 10 pages. But in 2023, during the writers strike, I was able to. On the back of a tour bus, New York State of Mind tour with Wu Tang and Nas driving across our country. This movie came out of me like a calling. Page by page, by pay. I mean, fast, fast. Wow. And it was meant to be, you know, it was meant to be, I think, for various reasons. One, it's a great piece of art. I. I hope your listeners go out and see it and feel the art and feel the uncomfortableness, feel the. The anger, the energy, the excitement, the. The. The warmth is. Because it's. It's really a nice amalgamation of emotions. But then also, I hope they, as they say to you, because we were both in the industry, is that when I did the film, a lot of people was out of work. So this film came as a savior for about 100, 150 people who didn't have a job because it was a strike.
Jeff Zito
Yeah.
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
So, so and so a part of me says, like, man, it was meant for this. For them. It was, like, forgetful. It was meant for me. It was meant to help them as well. And when I see the actors and the ads and grips and gaffers and everybody who has had a chance to see the product now that we had our premiere, everybody just loves it and appreciates what they did and what it is.
Jeff Zito
And, dude, all these jobs, right? I just. I just rattled off all These jobs, you know, we're talking. Your latest job is as a filmmaker, by the way. Hits theaters May 1st. One spoon of chocolate. Tell me all of these jobs. You said that, you know, they were unattainable. You thought they were. I mean, I would think that they're unattainable. Okay. What was your very first job? The very first thing you did to earn a living? The Celebrity Jobber Podcast with Jeff Zito.
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The celebrity jobber Podcast with Jeff Zito. What was your very first job? The very first thing you did to earn a living?
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
The very first thing I did was sell newspapers on a Verrazano Bridge.
Jeff Zito
Okay. Is that where Jimmy Hoffa's at?
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
I was probably working. I was working for his cousins.
Jeff Zito
Okay, okay, okay.
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
I remember. I'm Staten island, baby.
Jeff Zito
Right.
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
But we sold newspapers on the bridge. That's my. Let me give you my first three jobs so you can get.
Jeff Zito
Okay, that's what I want.
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
First job, selling newspapers on the bridge, right? You. I made 30 bucks, 15 bucks a day was what I meant. Second job, selling oranges and apples, downtown Brooklyn. Okay. Third job, putting screws in a box down on Franklin street, right next to a pepper shop. So you sneezing all day, counting screws and weighing screws and putting them in a box. A monkey could do it, but a man got the job, Right? And you can't sit down.
Jeff Zito
Right. But you were. You were hustling, too, at the time, too, right?
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
Yeah, yeah. Well, I. Well, that job. I made enough money in that job. And I could say this out loud when I made about 500 after saving my money, I went and bought some weed and went entrepreneurial. Got out of the. I got out of the nuts business and started selling things to make people go nuts, right? And I sold. I sold. I sold. Because marijuana is legal now, but in those days was illegal, bro. I sold it right on Wall Street. So a lot of great ideas that came in the. In the 80s. I helped with my marijuana.
Jeff Zito
Right, right. What about mom and dad? What about their jobs? What did they do?
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
Well, my father was a factory worker, but he left at the. When I was at the age of three. So my mother kind of became a single mother, raised 11 of us. So you'll know that. And really, to be honest, the, the welfare system supported my family for years. We were food stamps. Like I said, I'm the kid that walked to school because I didn't have the nickel for the bus, you know what I mean? So if I got a chance to get some extra dollars, my mother ended up with my. And I don't, I don't mind saying this, my mother ended up with my stepfather and we had more children with him. You know, it was still one family, but he was a, he was a straight up street hustler. So he was in and out of jail. But when he was home, and I always thank him for this when he was home. This is like Now I'm like 11, I'm 12, you know, I'm getting, you know, he would go out, hustle, come home, maybe have a thousand dollars and he'll give me $25 and I'll take all my little brothers to the movies, you know what I mean? And, and those days were me watching those kung fu movies, those. That's my beginning entry until I was able to sell newspapers or sell things and start buying my own stuff, you know? 11, he helped out. By the time I got 12, 13, I was like, I could get my own money. 14, get my own money. So, so, you know, you know, this is New York. This is New York life, though. I mean, you can name a lot of us. You could go ask Raekwon. You probably get a similar story. My story is little heavy because it's 11 of us, bro. Yeah, I mean, that's. And we lived in a two bedroom apartment. So my wife always tells me this and go get a joke out of this. I, I don't like no small rooms, bro. Even in the hotel, I, they, they could squeeze another G out of me because I'm. I need space, bro. I'm used to somebody feeding my nose.
Jeff Zito
Right?
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
You know what I mean?
Jeff Zito
What do you think about where. And I don't know if this was a gradual climb for you, you know, but can you tell me of a particular moment that happened to you? You're a young guy, maybe you're with Wu Tang, you're just getting together. But can you tell me that pivotal moment in time? A phone call, a record deal, hearing your song on a radio or an interview. Can you tell me a specific moment in your life that changed everything for you? Like the next, you were like, man, I have a Feeling things are going to be different from now on.
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
Yeah, that's hearing protect your neck on the radio. On. Not just on the radio. Hearing it on WBLS in New York City. Wow. Yeah. Well, that moment, because it took. We was. You know, it was my own record company. I'm part of the group. I put all my savings into this. As you know, I decided to go positive instead of negative. And it's, it's you hearing it on the college radio. You, you're hearing those stretching barbito. And then it plays prime time on wbls. And bro, every. Everybody felt it. I always tell the story. Raekwon was there at that same moment. Raekwon's about five' five. I'm telling you, he jumped up and almost hit the ceiling. That's how my. I saw this guy go up and, and all of us. It was such a moment of elation, an achievement. And it was like. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? And I would say this to you. It was one of the best feelings in my life. And I don't know if anything truly compares to it, but what is at least 50% close to that is. Yo, the Rock and roll hall of fame, bro.
Jeff Zito
Hall of fame.
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
Obama.
Jeff Zito
Obama.
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
Oh, if I get that, that's who you want, right?
Jeff Zito
I mean, that's. That you got some big. My buddy Orlando, Orlando Davis, who does morning radio in Tampa, Florida, he's like, you gotta.
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
Obama.
Jeff Zito
This guy's got big nuts to ask. Oh, to introduce him into the rock and roll hall of fame.
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
This guy got big nuts. I probably do got big nuts, bro. Okay. Hey, Staten Island. What do you want?
Jeff Zito
Huh? That's right. You know.
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
What are you talking about here?
Jeff Zito
That's right. Unbelievable. Can you tell me a little bit about the movie? Let me tell me a little bit about what it's. What it's about. It's. It's a little fantasy. It's. It's crazy, right?
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
It's. Well, yeah, it's, it's. I mean, it's inspired by true events. It's, it's, it's. It's. It's about a military convict who gets out of jail. He's trying to find a new life. He, he, he, he only has family in Ohio. His, his parole officer lets him go there like. And, and then when he gets there, you know, and, you know, when you get on parole, you need an address. You know what I mean? Or. And his, his cousin gives him a address by signing his name to the deed of the house. So he's now he always has a place to go. And it looks like life is going to get good for this guy, but it goes down. There's a lot of trouble in this town. There's a lot of insidious things happening. It's corruption. And that corruption ends up on his doorstep, and he has to make a decision to be taken out or to take something out.
Jeff Zito
Any of this autobiographical?
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
A lot of it is. A lot of it is inspired by some of my travels. Some of it is inspired, you know, the character, his name unique. I named him after old dirty bastard. You know what I mean? And then, of course, there's, there's, there's, there's. There's some A beast story in it that I don't want to give a spoiler. Yeah, but the B story is pretty dark and, but there's articles and there's evidence that this is happening. You know, the value of life is being very diminished, you know, I mean, because the value of life is being turned into profit. And that, that's. That's a subplot that happens in this film that will have you grabbing your seat, bro. Very. This is very Quentin Tarantino, Wu Tang, Eli Roth type type energy right here, bro.
Jeff Zito
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Celebrity Jobber if the song's not on WBLS mean, ever think about what the. What would you be doing? What would your life be if that didn't happen to you? What would your life be like? What would you be doing?
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
I'll be trying still, you know what I mean? Once I decided that I had to go the positive route and be an artist and live that artist. Let me explain something to you, bro. I've been writing songs since I was nine years old, okay? And I've been, you know, I bought my first pair of turntables at 11. You know, 12 we got an echo box. 13, we got microphones. Before that, we was rapping through the headphones. You know what I mean? The. The aspiration to. To create has been in me. When we used to make tapes, I would say one last thing to you. Before we had turntables, remember those little old tape recorders you could press play? Absolutely, yeah, bro. We would get a shoebox in comic books and use them as drums, a bass drum and snare, and just rap into the tape recorder.
Jeff Zito
Wow.
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
We were. This is. It was destined. This is me, old dirty bastard, his brother Ramsey. Ramsey is also the name of one of my characters in the film. My brother Divine, my brother King. And eventually that leads to, of course, the Juzza, our cousin. And then eventually, by the time I'm 16, method man moves to Staten Island. And. And it's just, it's. This is. If it wouldn't work, then we would have kept trying. And it's just like in the film business right now for me, bro. This is my fourth film, my fourth feature film, and I love it. I think that the stories I'm telling will have impact today, but even more impact tomorrow. And I'm going to continue to do my best to share them in theaters.
Jeff Zito
One spoon of chocolate and Wu Tang's rza, AKA Bobby Digital in the building. So good. Hey, man, Honor, thank you so much.
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
Thank you, Jeff.
Jeff Zito
Great talking to you, brother.
RZA (Robert Fitzgerald Diggs)
Peace.
Jeff Zito
Take care. His mother admired the Kennedys, so named her son Robert Fitzgerald Diggs. And his mother raised 11 children in a two bedroom apartment and said that the welfare system for food stamps provided for his family growing up. Walked to school because he didn't have the nickel to take the bus. I mean, just think about this for a minute and where this guy is today. Writer, producer, director, rapper, record producer, composer, actor, filmmaker. He went from that to where he is today. Yeah, he said he dreamt, but he didn't realize how his dreams were attainable. He was involved with some petty crime and some drug dealing street hustler and was charged with attempted murder when he was living in Steubenville, Ohio for a little bit. Was acquitted of that charge, which gave him what he refers to as his second chance. You can easily see how this guy took advantage of that second chance and how easily things could have gone the other way for rza. You know, his first wave of success was with the rap group Wu Tang Clan out of Staten island, which was basically immediately following his acquittal. And he mentioned how the moment that changed his life forever was hearing their song protect your neck on a real radio station, WBLS in New York. Not a college station or an underground station like a real station. He mentioned hearing that song protect your neck on that Station, pivotal moment in his life. And like I mentioned earlier, Wu Tang Clan, a cultural phenomenon. Raekwon Method Man, Old Dirty Bastard, the Jizza, Inspector Deck, Ghostface Killer, Master Killer, you, God. And of course rza. From there, got into acting. You know, some movies like Funny People, One of my favorites, Adam Sandler, Seth Rogen, American Gangster. I mean, honestly, too many credits to mention. It's unbelievable. A film score composer and now writer, producer, director for the new film One Spoon of Chocolate, which is presented by Quentin Tarantino. You know, Riz's other films, you know, like man with the Iron Fist, the group Wu Tang Clan, they all have this like kung fu kind of undertone which he mentioned earlier in his life. His mom hooked up with this guy that ultimately became his stepdad. And he was a street hustler. And he would come home with 1000 bucks and he would give RZA$25 and he would take all his brothers and sisters to the movie theater, watch these kung fu movies. Kind of where it all started for him. So you see how that kind of shaped him and influenced him. Yeah. And then he said he needed his own money, so talked about his first jobs, one of them selling newspapers on the Verrazano Bridge, which connects New Jersey and Staten Island. I jokingly mentioned if that was where Jimmy Hoffa was buried. See, old rumor up there, he's in a concrete of that bridge. He laughed and also mentioned how he worked for Hoffa's cousins, meaning maybe he was involved with the mob a little bit. It's the life in the streets of New York. He said he also sold fruit and like did something separating screws, which was next door to a pepper store, sneezing all day. Said he was also a street hustler, selling some marijuana, you know, and then got caught up with the wrong people and got that second chance. And man, did he take advantage of that. I could have talked to this guy for hours. Fascinating story of success. Rapper, record, producer, composer, actor, filmmaker, Robert Fitzgerald Diggs, AKA the rza, AKA Bobby Digital, Writer, producer, director of the film One Spoon of Chocolate. In theaters now. Thank you so much for listening to another episode of the Celebrity Chopper podcast, streaming on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Iheart or wherever you listen. Listen to podcasts. Please subscribe. We'd love a five star rating. Leave a review, past guests and episodes online. Celebrityjobber.com follow on Instagram celebrity underscorejobberpodcast. Also YouTube.com the celebrity jobber. And for bonus content, check out our substack, which is substack.com celebrityjobber things could have really gone the other way for Robert Fitzgerald Diggs, but it seemed like his mother had big plans for him. She named him after the Kennedys, and I'll tell you what, she was right. Thank you so much for listening to another episode of the Celebrity Jobber podcast. Big guests coming up, like comedians Jim Brewer and Cedric the Entertainer. Until next time. I'll see you then. I'm Jeff Zito.
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Celebrity Jobber with Jeff Zito – RZA (Wu-Tang Clan) Episode Date: May 1, 2026
In this episode of the Celebrity Jobber podcast, host Jeff Zito sits down with Robert Fitzgerald Diggs, better known as RZA, the multi-talented founder of Wu-Tang Clan. The recurring theme is “second chances,” tracing RZA’s journey from poverty and brushes with the law to creative and professional triumphs. Zito and RZA delve into RZA’s humble beginnings, his early jobs, his pivotal moment with Wu-Tang Clan, and his evolution into a filmmaker—particularly focusing on his new movie One Spoon of Chocolate. The conversation paints a portrait of resilience, ambition, and transformation.
RZA reflects on his tough upbringing in Staten Island as one of eleven children, raised by a single mother with limited means, often relying on food stamps and welfare.
He credits his mother's resilience and his own pivotal turning point—a trial and acquittal for attempted murder in Ohio—as the catalyst that set him on a positive track.
"When they said not guilty, my face stuck in a smile for three days... Right then I said goodbye to anything that would have put me in that situation again."
— Jeff Zito quoting RZA, [01:13]
First Job: Selling newspapers on the Verrazano Bridge, earning around $15 a day ([09:17]).
Second Job: Selling fruit (oranges and apples) in Downtown Brooklyn ([09:41]).
Third Job: Working in a factory on Franklin Street, counting and boxing screws next to a pepper shop—sneezing all day ([09:41]).
His entrepreneurial hustle transitioned into illegal activities, including dealing marijuana in the 1980s, which he openly acknowledges as part of his journey ([10:21]).
"A monkey could do it, but a man got the job, right? And you can't sit down."
— RZA, describing the screw-plant job, [09:41]
"I made enough money in that job. And I could say this out loud... I went entrepreneurial. Got out of the nuts business and started selling things to make people go nuts."
— RZA, on graduating from his straight jobs to hustling, [10:21]
RZA's father left when he was three; his mother raised 11 kids, with help from a stepfather who was also a hustler and sometimes in jail.
Fondly recalls being given $25 by his stepfather to take his younger siblings to kung fu movies—seeding his later artistic obsessions ([11:01-12:57]).
"Even in the hotel, they could squeeze another G out of me because I need space, bro. I'm used to somebody feeding my nose."
— RZA, on growing up in a two-bedroom apartment with 11 siblings, [12:56]
RZA reveals he’s been writing songs since age 9, bought his first turntables at 11, rapped with friends using comic books as drums before they could afford real equipment ([18:31-19:28]).
Emphasis on persistently chasing dreams, even when immediate success wasn't guaranteed.
"The aspiration to create has been in me. When we used to make tapes... we'd get a shoebox and comic books and use them as drums... It was destined."
— RZA, [18:31]
The pivotal moment for RZA was hearing Wu-Tang Clan’s “Protect Your Neck” on WBLS, a mainstream radio station, not just underground or college radio. This moment symbolized his transition from hustler to legitimate artist and was deeply emotional ([13:45]).
"It was such a moment of elation, an achievement... it was one of the best feelings in my life."
— RZA, [13:45]
"Raekwon's about five-five. I'm telling you, he jumped up and almost hit the ceiling."
— RZA, recounting the group's reaction, [13:57]
RZA discusses how directing always felt unattainable. He would cut school to watch movies, dreaming of creating his own films ([04:12]).
Reveals One Spoon of Chocolate took several attempts to write, finally completed in 2023 during a writers’ strike while touring with Wu-Tang and Nas ([06:27]).
The film, produced with Quentin Tarantino’s involvement, is inspired by real events, focusing on a military convict’s struggle to find a new life amidst corruption—themes echoing RZA’s own search for redemption ([15:47]).
The project also provided employment for many industry workers out of work due to the strike ([07:44]).
"This movie came out of me like a calling. Page by page, by pay... fast, fast. And it was meant to be."
— RZA, [06:27]
RZA maintains he’d still be striving as an artist; he considers creativity an integral part of his identity ([18:31]).
"I'll be trying still... If it wouldn't work, then we would have kept trying."
— RZA, [18:31]
“To live the dream—that's the magic of it, right? That's the grace.”
— RZA, on achieving creative goals, [04:12]
“For every negative action you do, we give you a negative in return. But for every positive, we multiply you.”
— RZA, reflecting on spiritual philosophy and positive energy, [05:25]
“This is very Quentin Tarantino, Wu-Tang, Eli Roth type energy right here, bro.”
— RZA, describing the tone of One Spoon of Chocolate, [16:52]
For listeners seeking an inspiring tale of transformation, ambition, and the artistry born of adversity, this episode offers a compelling, personal look at RZA’s journey.