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Adam Kaufman
Today is Saturday, April 5th and this is Celtics Beat on the CLNS Media Network, leading online provider of audio video coverage of the Boston Celtics. I'm Adam Kaufman. Episode 618 features the Boston Globes, Gary Washburn.
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Evan Valenti
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Adam Kaufman
Hey everyone. Welcome in another new edition of Selfie Speed. Great to be here with you. I am Adam Kaufman with Eventy. We're always here. We have got. You know him from the Boston Globe. Of course you know him from the Big three podcast is part of the CLNS Media Network. Is he part of Celtic City? We haven't seen him yet, but I suspect we will at some point. Gary Washburn. Gary, welcome. How are you, man?
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Gary Washburn
I'm. God, I'm good, guys. No, I'm not part of Celtic City at all.
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Adam Kaufman
No, not at all.
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Gary Washburn
Not at all.
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Adam Kaufman
Why is that?
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Gary Washburn
I don't know. You'd have to ask the producers or the directors.
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Adam Kaufman
Yeah, that seems, that seems like, you.
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Gary Washburn
Know, I was never approached. I was never approached or anything about it. So.
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Adam Kaufman
No, see, I've been waiting to see you. We were talking to Steve, old pet last week. We're waiting for him. We do know he was interviewed. We just haven't seen him yet. We also and f. Brought this up, and I don't know why it didn't occur to me. We haven't seen Mike Gorman yet in this show. Five episodes in out of nine. And, you know, this.
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Gary Washburn
Is it nine or six?
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Evan Valenti
It's nine.
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Gary Washburn
Nine.
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Evan Valenti
Oh, I thought, yeah, okay.
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Gary Washburn
I thought, yeah, no, you got a lot more.
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Adam Kaufman
But, but, but this would be the era, obviously, you know, we're, we're into the 80s now and, and Bird and company and no appearance yet from Mike Gorman. Now, I have no intel as to. I just, I assume that at the very least he was approached. Maybe he declined. I have no idea. But I, I don't know why we're just sitting here with bated breath waiting for Mike Gorman to appear in this thing.
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Gary Washburn
Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I said I, I was never approached about it. I'm not sure who, who talked about the current Celtics or the Celtics of the 2000 and tens. So I'm watching. I'll see what happens. But yeah, I have not been at all approached.
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Adam Kaufman
Well, geez, I feel like I'm starting on a sour note here. I don't like that. You should have been in it, Gary. But putting that aside, well, here's, here's another one from. I'm setting you up to say I was not approached. We're. We're seeing. So Bill Chisholm, as everyone knows at this point in time, is the, you know, soon to be new owner of the Boston Celtics and obviously has been sort of appearing here and there. Like, I don't know that he's done much in the way of media outside of, you know, obviously we, we saw him do some hits with the TV flagship NBC Sports Boston. And, you know, his, his wife was kind of fangirling out talking to Abby Chin and they've been, they've said and done all the right things and there's a lot of like, oh, like Chris Forsberg. I'm such a fan. You know, we saw a tweet on, obviously on. On Twitter just a couple of days ago that, that Bill Chisholm, I think prior to the last home game sought out from CLNs, he like chased down Bobby Manning and Noah Dalzell as well to say what a big fan of, of their work that, that he is. Now we here at Celtic Speed, we have not heard from Bill just yet where again, checking my mentions constantly on Twitter. Have you heard that. That he loves you as well?
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Gary Washburn
No, I probably think he wouldn't love me. But no, I have not seen Mr. Chisum and have not met him yet. And no, I already, you know, said some good things about to Cedric Maxwell, you know, about loving his career and loving what he does. But no, I have not seen him yet. I mean, I saw Wick yesterday in good spirits. But no, I have not been approached or anything. So, yeah, I will not be in Celtic City and I will not. I was not been approached by the new owners.
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Adam Kaufman
It's coming.
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Gary Washburn
I. I'm sure I'm all for two right now here.
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Adam Kaufman
Let's talk about this team you've been writing about. I mean, obviously you write about the Celtics all the time, but most recently a couple articles that you have put out, you know, have done a lot, had a lot to do with health really, you know, a couple days ago, Jalen Brown, can he stay healthy for the playoffs. He's looked good despite this knee injury. Last couple of games, obviously in the team, despite, you know, coming off of what was a perfect six zero west coast trip. And the first time this kind of blew my mind, first time the Celtics had ever had a 60 road trip before, that had never happened in their history. That, that to me was. Was kind of nuts. But laying egg against Miami, coming back home, I don't think that was altogether shocking. And bounced back very nicely with a good win over a, you know, ailing Phoenix team that really only has Devin Booker at this point in time. But as you put out as we sit here today, most recent article, and people can see it online in the Boston Globe or in the paper, obviously, this team's goals for the final stretch of the regular season, you know, locked into the two seed, you're five games out behind Cleveland for number one and not going to happen. So you got five games left here to sort of just evaluate things. It's not a grueling schedule. I'll read it to the people. Home against Washington at New York. That game could be something of a litmus test, especially with Jalen Brunson coming back at Orlando, a team that months ago everyone was fearing. Heaven forbid you see the magic in the postseason and then two games at home with the Charlotte Hornets, who are basically a G league team based on their roster at this point in time. So other than. Because this again was the focus of your article, other than staying healthy, because of course that's important to everyone at this time of the year. Entering the playoffs, what is the priority for these final Five.
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Gary Washburn
Yeah, I would think work rotations, get Jaylen as comfortable as he can with his knee injury, obviously not overwork him. We'll see how it goes with the 65 game limit he's got to play now and still four in the last five games to reach that limit to be eligible for all NBA. And if you look at some of the names, there are guys who are not going to make it like Kevin Durant and Damian Lillard. And I think Brunson's really on the bubble. I think he, Brunson needs to play in four games to reach that. Like there are some open potential spots where Jalen could get that third team. And the question is, I thought he lost it out last year to a Devin Booker. Would you vote for Jalen on a team with championship aspirations who's probably a 60 win season or would you vote for Devin Booker, a good player on a really underachieving, one of the more disappointing teams in the league. And you know, Kevin Durant's not going to be eligible either. So there, there's, there's some interesting votes that's going to have to be for that third team. And so Jalen does have a chance to make it. So I also think Joe needs to play, you know, it's going to play rotations, guys who are not used to playing together. See how that works. Like I mentioned the Cornet Porzingis pairing he did in San Antonio, one of the few pairings he really hasn't done much. Like I think five minutes a game on an average they played together. See how that works. Give guys like Baylor, Shireman and you know, as a house or some minutes and, and, and I don't know, the Tory Craig thing, it kind of mystifies me like they use them one day, they don't use them the next. He's dnp. Like, I don't know if he's just not working out well or they're just like, we're going to save you for the playoffs or I'm not really sure what's going on with the Tory Craig thing here. And then also they've got an open roster spot. Do they fill it, do they fill it with one of the G League guys? Obviously Maine is I think in the playoffs in terms of the conference finals, I want to say tomorrow against Oscolia or whatever the Orlando team is. And that's going to be, you know, game that all the guys are going to play, I think in Jordan Walsh. And so do you, do you sign one of those guys, The Petersons the J.D. davidsons or the Norris after that to, to the, to the 15th roster spot. Do you feel it at all that that's something that could be addressed, or do you just go into the playoffs with 14 guys? So there's little things that need to be addressed. I think you got to give Jason some rest. I don't think Jason's looked particularly good over the last couple of games. You know, I think he, maybe he gets the night off against Washington. Although that's another Marcus smart game. He'll be back, so it'll be good to see Marcus. But yeah, obviously number two is locked up. I think, you know, I think what's important to them is also that road record. If they can go 34, 7, that ties to 16 warriors with the best road record of all time. I think that's important to them. Then I think sending a message to the Knicks that you just can't beat us, you know, but we'll see how they, with the lineups they'll, they'll present in that game. National TV game. It's important. And then the next night in Orlando. So there's little things that need to be addressed. I mean, this team is playing very good basketball. The Miami game, he hit a lot of shots. Of course, Kyle Anderson became the latest. Like, who the hell is that guy? Or how is that guy scoring 20 on the Celtics? Like, you know, it's just been like that all year. The Dylan Brooks guys, the Caleb Martins who just find it that one game. And I think Pale Larson, if I'm not mistaken, scored three points against Memphis the next night. Like, you know, like it was. It's crazy, the drastic numbers when the guys play the Celtics and then the next night they end up going back to their, you know, it's like a caterpillar, a butterfly back to a caterpillar, I guess. You know, it's just like they go back to the, the thing that they were before. So I, I think there's a lot of little things are, that are going to go on over the next week, but health is most important.
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Evan Valenti
Can you make something. Gary, you mentioned that, you know, and it's something that we've all talked about. The road record. They're, they're chasing history here. What do you make of this home, this home court thing? Because they're 25 and 13 at home, especially when they come back from a long road trip, the, the numbers are even worse. What is this? Because they're absolutely, I, I, you know, Bill Simmons throughout the other day that, you know, they Hope he hopes they dropped the three seed so they play more road games. I know that's kind of a joke, but at the same time, they're. They're unbelievably poised in the road, and it's like they don't care at home. Especially like the first game back of a long road trip.
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Adam Kaufman
What is this?
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Evan Valenti
What do we do? Is this just like whatever, or do we. Is this something we should actually be slightly concerned about?
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Gary Washburn
Well, guys, I mean, you know, like, this has always been a problem. Like, for years before Joe, before email, they've always had a. Been a strange home team, like where they lose games at home that they should win. They win. You know, it's like, I mean, obviously that infamous Miami series where they lost three of the games at home, you know, including the game seven. You know, it's hard to point, pinpoint. I'm kind of tired of the, like, first road game back from home game, from back to the road trip excuse. I think it's mumbo jumbo. I mean, you know, you get a full day off. Now, if you had a back to back, if you had finished a road trip in Philadelphia or Cleveland, and then you come back home the next night and then you've got a home game, that might be something. But, you know, they had just finished beating up Memphis. They. They had a very good win. They come against a Miami team that's playing well, but just played too well, too comfortable, you know, I mean, Pell Larson's getting to the free throw line, like. Or Pelly Larson, like nine times, like, it was just a really funky game and they lost by 21. I was a concern, but I just think they've got to be more focused, especially those game ones. That's the thing. Game one against whatever, Atlanta, Orlando, Miami, Chicago. Who are they? Whoever they play in the first round, obviously. Game one against the Knicks, if that's that, you know, like, they've got to not put themselves in a hole and lose that game one, and that's the thing. Or even game two. You know, they lost a couple of home games last year against Miami and Cleveland in the playoffs. So I don't know what it is. I mean, it's not like there's lack of Celtic fans there. It's not, it's not, it's not like. It's not a raucous atmosphere. It's not like it's, it's. It's a atmosphere to where they, they feel like they can do their best things and they're comfortable, but there's just something about the Garden this year and in Pat. You know, last year they were great, but 13 losses, far too many.
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Adam Kaufman
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Adam Kaufman
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Evan Valenti
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Adam Kaufman
Back here with Gary and I I want to go back to something you mentioned before with Jaylen Brown. Obviously chasing, maybe chasing is not the right word, but certainly being interested in the postseason award recognition and as you said, times have changed from what they were in recent years. Now that there is this 65 game minimum, Jalen has 61 games right now. That means he has to play in four of the final five to be eligible for third team all NBA for example, or an all defensive team or you name it. And I just kind of wonder I'm not making a big thing out of it because I do think at the end of the day winning another championship is the most important thing to these guys, most certainly to the front office coaching staff, top down as far as the players.
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Gary Washburn
But.
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Adam Kaufman
I don't know, you know, knowing that he is dealing with this bulky knee and again, you've written extensively about this and yeah, we've seen him perform pretty well over the last couple of games, all things considered, maybe even a little bit better than Jalen or Jason Tatum as you alluded to. But is it important to the organization that he play in four out of these last five versus you know, maybe we do sit him a couple and he misses out on, on you know, getting that, that extra trophy or whatever it may be or, or maybe it affects bonus or or what have you versus sort of the bigger picture of the postseason.
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Gary Washburn
I think that's a discussion he's going to have to have and he's I'm sure had with the organization and the coaching staff and his trainers to figure out whether it's good for him to play on the knee and just get it comfortable enough to withstand the pounding. And, and I think this last couple of games have been kind of okay. Jalen, like you have any injury, whatever it is, bone bruise, I don't know if there's like a where he'll he might need a scope at the end of the seat. Who knows, like it could be just a potentially like a bone bruise where it's just like the only way, Jalen, you're going to get healthy is to stay off of it. We all know that's not going to happen. So you're going to have to get used to playing with it withstanding the pain. You know, maybe it's a situation where he really can't make it worse. He. It's a pain threshold type of situation. So I think the last couple of games have been him trying to figure out, okay, what. How can I maneuver and get to the basket. I thought he's done well. 31 points against Phoenix and just kind of like shooting the mid range, just kind of playing an old. Like he said, Paul Pierce playing that old man's game as opposed to like, you know, getting someone off the first step and just dunking on them. I think those are good things. And he needs probably more reps doing that way. But does that put more pounding and potentially damage on the knee? That's a good question. How's he coming away from these games? Is he limping to his car? Is he, you know, having to do all this treatment at home? Is he really laboring just trying to make it now? If that's the case, then he should sit down until game one against whoever on probably Sunday, probably two weeks from tomorrow and you know, just prepare then and take the two weeks off. It all depends on. Is there contract stipulations in his. In his deal about making all NBA? How important is that to him? Does not playing 65 games, is that a sign of weakness for him? Like, you know, you couldn't make it, you couldn't get it done, you couldn't. You know, is it a test of his endurance? Like, is he looking at it like that? Like, I can make it to the finish line, I'm not going to shut it down until the playoffs. I'm. I'll be fine. Like all that plays into it. So I think it's interesting. It's an interesting topic because, you know, Jason's made it, Peyton's made it. We all know like Drew and Chris stabs. I think Drew not sure. I don't think he's missed. He's missed a little bit more than. I don't think he's gonna make it. But just like Derek, the guys who are gonna be up potentially for something are all clear. But Jalen's the one that's like, we'll see how this all goes. And then you've got those two meaningless games against Charlotte, you know, you can excuse. Okay. Playing against Washington, you know, I guess you can play him in the road games or you can maybe say, okay, Jalen, you know, you'll miss, you will play New York, but you'll, you'll get the night off against Orlando. But then that means he has to play both games against Charlotte against like you said, Adam, the, the Greensboro Swarm, their G League team, basically. So is that, is that good for him to play 20 minutes against a bunch of G leakers, you know, who knows on the final day of the season where everybody, where it's going to be J.D. davidson, Drew Peterson, Jordan Walsh and you know, Xavier Tillman as the other four starters. So that's an interesting. Do you put him in that environment? Which game does he miss? Is it. He said it's not important, but really is it all these things that have to be, have to be addressed. And I, and I think some of the stuff we don't know, I think we'll find out when you look at the injury port report later today, whether he's going to be. Listen, as questionable for the, for the Washington game tomorrow. And how do you treat those two Charlotte games which the Hornets are trying to get Cooper flag. I mean they're terrible. The Celtics don't, you know, like that's going to be two basic basically scrimmages.
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Evan Valenti
Yeah, it's. It's curious to me. Like, I don't know if there's a ruling on this. I, I haven't seen anybody write about it, but there's a ruling about could Jalen start the game and then the first whistle be taken out and just never play the rest of the game that still count as a game played.
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Gary Washburn
Yeah, I think it's minutes too or something like that there.
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Adam Kaufman
You know, this is Josh Allen coming in, taking us.
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Evan Valenti
Look, it's exactly what I'm thinking about. Josh Allen comes in for the first series against the patriots in week 18. And then as soon as that, like threw like one pass or I think he handed it off and he even, even Gillette gave him a standing O as he left the field. It was an interesting time.
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Gary Washburn
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing, guys. You don't know because I know it's a minutes thing too. I don't. I think he'd have to play 20. I don't think you can do the whole, like play it. Play the first four minutes and then check out and wait to the crowd and be like, okay, like, but that is a game played. But I don't know how many times he could do that. I'm sure One or two, but I don't know, like, because if that's the case, you'd have some guys doing that for 10 games just to get to the 65. So I think there's a preventative rule in there. And looking at Charlotte's record, I mean, they have the third worst record. Utah looks like they're a game and a half ahead of Washington. They look like they're gonna have. But remember guys, the first three teams have kind of an equal amount of ping pong balls. So I mean, I mean, obviously Cooper Flag could save the Charlotte franchise. So I have no question they're going to try to lose those two games big time. So that's going to be an interesting thing. Who do you play in those two games? How long do you play and what do you do with Jalen and what game does he. He miss? Because it looks like if you got a day off between Washington, day off with New York and I'm sure he'll want to play at the Garden and you give him Orlando off. Do you play in the last two, those last two Charlotte games? You know, and how frustrating would it, would it be for him if he got to 64? You know that that's a. I think he's close enough. You probably want to go for it.
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Adam Kaufman
So I was just reading this real quick and then we got to get going here. But the NBA 65 game rule, which is what we keep alluding to here, the player plays in at least 65 regular season games, has to play in at least 62 regular season games, playing in at least 85% of regular season games played by his team prior to the players suffering any sort of injury. So blah, blah, blah, blah. A player, however, must log at least 20 minutes of action in the game for it to be counted toward their games played total. Players are allowed up to two instances where they play between 15 and 20 minutes for that game to still count. So for example, if a player exits a game due to injury after logging 12 minutes and does not return, that game does not count toward the player's total. So, yeah, you can't do the, the four minutes. And thanks for coming. You get, you got to get up there for at least 15.
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Evan Valenti
Yeah, it's too bad because that's. Oh, I, I get it. Especially if it's like a financial.
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Adam Kaufman
Maybe you don't miss games before the All Star break. Well, yeah, I mean, and then participate in the All Star break and like they're, you know, this eight argument is old as, you know, as, as time all right, before we sign off, Gary, very quickly here, Florida, Auburn, Duke, Houston. It's not Cal. I know, but quick predictions. Who wins?
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Gary Washburn
We'll be there next year, guys.
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Evan Valenti
So we're screwed, too.
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Adam Kaufman
Yeah. Hall of Fame, baby.
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Gary Washburn
Yeah. But the Qs is getting all these freaking transfers. Like, cute. I think Carmelo is opening up that nil checkbook. Like, they got the. They got the kid from. Whoa. I think Florida State or they got something.
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Evan Valenti
Georgia State.
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Gary Washburn
Georgia Tech. Yeah. Georgia Tech's point. Oh, man.
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Adam Kaufman
Don't forget his kid.
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Evan Valenti
Oregon. Oregon State's sharpshooter also.
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Gary Washburn
Wow. So, yeah, times look good for the cues. Man. I'm gonna say Duke, but I like Houston. I. I wish it was Duke and Houston on the. On the opposite bracket that could play in the championship game.
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Evan Valenti
Yeah.
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Gary Washburn
But I'm gonna. I. I guess I'll give it to Duke. They haven't had a close game. Houston got kind of not lucky, but held on against Purdue. That great inbounds play. They kind of broke Tennessee down defensively and. But I. I'm gonna say Duke, you know, and I'm. I'm not a Duke hater. I'm kind of whatever about Duke, but I think they're the most talented team that Florida, Auburn, obviously. Old SEC battle. That's gonna be a war, too.
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Adam Kaufman
Yeah, it's gonna be fun. I do Duke in Florida. For me. Those. Those are. Those have been my predictions for, you know, weeks at this point in time. So I'm just. I'm. I'm just trying to will it all in here and hope. We hope we can finish putting that puzzle together. But Gary Washburn again. Get him on Twitter at G. Washburn Globe, of course. Check him out in, you know, the Globe, the physical edition, for those of you that still like getting some of the ink on your fingers. Or of course, digitally on BostonGlobe.com and of course, check out as part of the CLNS Media Network, the big three podcasts. And Gary, we always enjoy chatting with you, man. This one a little abbreviated, but we'll do it again soon. Playoffs right around the corner, obviously.
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Gary Washburn
Thanks a lot, guys. Always good being here. Anytime.
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Adam Kaufman
Absolutely. With Gary, of course. Evan. I am Adam. Thanks, everyone, for watching, listening. We'll catch you again next week.
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