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Evan Valenti
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Adam Kaufman
Today is Thursday, June 11th and this is Celtics Beat on CLNS Media, the leading online provider of audio video coverage of the Boston Celtics. I'm Adam Kaufman. Episode 680 features Barstool Sports, Dan Greenberg
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Evan Valenti
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Adam Kaufman
Welcome in to this mid June edition, the NBA Finals not quite over edition of Celtics. Our good buddy Dan Greenberg, Barstool Sports. Kind enough to join us. We'll welcome him in. But first we'd like to remind you check out the the podcast. You can do so Audio version, rate, review subscribe wherever you get your podcast. Just search. Celtics beat will pop right up and yes, heavily, heavily climbing those rankings. We're right there. We're right there among the top of Celtics related pods. So yeah, consume the content. We appreciate you and of course if you want to look at our smiling faces, try and smile through the pain. Anyway, you can find us on the CLNS YouTube page, sometimes the all access page, sometimes. Sometimes the main page. But you guys are very active in the comment section, oftentimes having conversations of your own, reacting to whatever it is that we are talking about. And we like to sometimes bring some of those comments to the table. So we thank you for all of the engagement and yeah, we'll be watching. We'll be looking, certainly reading our latest guest, Seth Landman, maybe the most polarizing guest we've ever had because a number of you prayed at the altar of Landman.
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Evan Valenti
It was.
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Adam Kaufman
It was. We're not worthy to type of stuff, agreeing with things that he was saying. And then others of you thought he was the worst person to walk the planet.
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Evan Valenti
So really a lot more of the ladder there. Coughing it was. It was a bloodbath in there for Seth. That was tough.
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Adam Kaufman
It was a little tough. But you know what? Celtics fans, they love our guy. Greeny.
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Dan Greenberg
No, that's the Internet. No, that's the Internet. That's the Internet. We're.
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Adam Kaufman
We're going to talk plenty about the NBA Finals. We have to. But I understand this is a Celtics program and people come here for Celtics content first, and so let's begin there. And I guess, guys, the place we need to begin is with something that came out just a little while ago today, as a matter of fact, and that's Bill Simmons of the Ringer chatting about Giannis and Tentacompo. Here's the quote. I thought Boston was out of this. I know Boston was out of this. I was wondering if they were playing possum or not. I think they were playing a little possum. I think they're in on Giannis. I'm not recanting what I said before. I don't know the reasons for it. Maybe they felt like Miami's offer is an offer. They could be. Maybe they want to drive the price of Miami's offer up and don't really have interest in him. Giannis is pushing for Miami or Boston. Those are the two locations. And really wants to end up in Boston because he would have the best chance to win a title. Boston is not ruling out. The idea is my intel in general. I'm prepared for anything with Boston. Now, this comes on the heels of Simmons, of course, saying Giannis is interested in Boston, but from what he gathers, Boston not interested in Giannis. Now it's all on the table. How do you size up the Giannis market and situation as it relates directly to the Boston Celtics?
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Dan Greenberg
I mean, I think like Bill said, you have to be willing to accept all possible outcomes.
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Evan Valenti
Right.
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Dan Greenberg
Like, we've seen the big I. I've lived through Paul Pierce getting traded. We live through Marcus Smart getting traded. We lived through the trades this past summer. So I live. It's the number one rule that I live my life to when it comes to this team is until proven wrong. I have faith and trust in the decision that Brad Stevens makes. If he decides that this path is what is best for them both now and for, you know, the next window, okay, it's going to hurt like hell. You know, I'm a firm believer. And you can still build a title winning team around Tatum and Brown with the tools they have available. But if his, if his play is like, listen, you only have so many swings and opportunities to land this type of talent and this type of player with a skill set that answers a lot of the things he was talking about at his presser. I think you'd be foolish to say this is all hot air. This is all rumor, like, there's no way that they would trade Jaylen Brown. I just, I just don't think that's how Brad operates. At the same time, I do think it's also possible that maybe they're just being floated out as some leverage to squeeze Miami for a little bit more asset, a little bit, you know, maybe an additional pick or an additional player, different protections, because maybe Miami is like, we're your best and only real offer because Giannis is tipping the scale to us. So I think that's also on the table and it wouldn't shock me if, you know, the Celtics don't end up trading for him. I just, you have to be ready for all situations and I think you can't just be. They'll never break up Tatum. And I do think it takes a very unique case to do it. I just think we've lived through enough Brad Stevens off seasons to where he doesn't really give a shit. If he feels like this is what helps the team and puts them in the best position to win, he'll make the trade.
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Adam Kaufman
I just have real, real quickly and I want your thoughts on all of that. But Giannis is such a, and I'm sort of saying the obvious here, but such a fascinating domino in that it. Not that every team, I'm sure every team be interested in Giannis, but obviously with him being able to, to a degree control his fate knowing that he's a year away from free agency and if he blatantly told the team, yeah, I'm not resigning with you, obviously, Some teams, most of the league for that matter, are not going to go to the steps they need to take in order to acquire him. So it's a very small grouping of teams I think that he would realistically consider that would then also maybe be willing to attempt to put together a package to get him. But you look at the top of the league and again, we'll get to the NBA Finals. But just to bring Giannis into this, let's just say the spurs don't pull this off and they're down 3. 1. He's been attached to San Antonio before. They could make a de' Aaron Fox related deal that tries to acquire Giannis. Flip side, San Antonio comes all the way back to do this. New York could look at this and say, oh, man, well, maybe Cat Bridges, these guys, you know, aren't enough. We need to go out and try and acquire Giannis. He's been linked to the Knicks before. I've talked about how the Cavs, again, I don't think Giannis wants to go to Cleveland, but the Cavs could look at where they are and it's like, man, if we need to get over the hump, as opposed to perennially being basically the same team that we are essentially with our talent right now, is there a Mobley package or Jared Allen related package that brings in a Giannis? And then again the Celtics as they are measuring themselves up against not only the rest of the league, but specifically New York, obviously in the Eastern Conference. It just all starts with Giannis, Ev.
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Evan Valenti
Yeah, it does. And it's a huge domino whenever you're trading a top five talent in the league. And you know, you can, you can bicker about where Giannis falls on the list, but at when he's healthy, he's top five, top six with a bullet. No question about it. Whenever you're trading somebody like that, it's going to send shock waves throughout the rest of the entire league. You didn't mention Oklahoma City, which I don't think they would do it anyway, but they certainly have enough assets to do that. But when you move a piece that big, you're, you're going to make a lot of other teams panic a little bit. So if you, you know, you mentioned the Miami Heat as a potential landing spot and you're like, oh my goodness, like, I don't know what else is here, but, you know, bam. Giannis, you know, maybe, maybe they can go super big and stifle people that way. Obviously Boston, with those two guys, it makes, you know, with Tatum and Giannis is a huge deal. Whatever New York would decide to do for that would be a huge deal. The spurs would be terrifying. Like, when you move a piece of that magnitude, everybody takes notice, you know, not the same thing with Luca going to the Lakers, because I don't think anybody believed the Lakers were any really that good. And then adding conscience would really mean a whole lot. So when you look at this landscape, it's like, ah, man, like there are some real heavy hitters here that can make a lot of noise. I just find it interesting, Greeny, that this is coming out now because it seems like we're gonna have a resolution of this pretty quickly after the finals is over. It seems like.
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Dan Greenberg
Right, that's around.
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Evan Valenti
This is like this is gonna happen around draft time. So.
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Dan Greenberg
Right.
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Evan Valenti
I think it's time to buckle up here, Greeny. After this is done, maybe a couple days after this, this Giannis deal might get moved, like almost immediately.
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Dan Greenberg
Yeah, I think the timing is the most important part for a couple reasons, right, because the obviously the finals are going on. Like you said, the spurs may just, you know, say we got to push the red button. Like we got to cash in. Right. The Finals end on the 19th. I think the draft is what, like the 24th, right. So that's a couple weeks away. But you also have to remember the league calendar year, right? Like this could be something where, if you're a team where you need to execute this trade ahead of July 6th or whatever, because you need the 2025, 2026 salary. Mike, for example, let's say Houston is part of some three team trade, right?
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Evan Valenti
And.
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Dan Greenberg
And a player like Jabari Smith is involved in this trade to make all the money work. Well, right now he only makes $12 million a year. But as soon as the new league starts in, in July, that shoots up to 30 plus. Same thing with the Celtics, right? Like if, if you're saying Jalen, let's say like you want to try to pitch a non Jalen package, right. Well then it matters whether you're using 2025, 2026 money or 2026, 2027 money. So I do think it's important when we're talking about the potential suitors, it's who can agree to a trade now before July that you would then just like put it through after July where the salaries are higher. Especially if you're a team that doesn't have a singular player like jalen who makes 50 million. If you need to put multiple pieces together, then it may be more beneficial to wait but then if you're one of these other teams, you may say, hey, our offer is only good if we do this and it goes through ahead of the new league year. That's another dynamic to the, to the potential market and potential suitors. So I think everything about the Giannis situation comes down to, to timing. I think we'll know by the draft, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's something that happens like it's a wink, wink, agreed to deal and then we see it go through once the new league year starts in on July 6.
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Adam Kaufman
Jaylen Brown weighed in on some of this on social media earlier today. He tweeted the neighbor's rice always smells better. I don't know what the hell that means, but I'm sure it's related to something. We're going to talk more about Jalen Giannis's future, what the Celtics should do in just a moment. We got to take a break, tell you about our good friends over at Prize Picks. The NBA Finals are here, but the action does not stop when the confetti falls in. The NBA crowns a champion because it's a star studded, scorching summer of sports, women's basketball, baseball. We've got the world's biggest soccer tournament on American soil and the first ever MMA fight on the White House lawn. Making for all these, all these events, all of them have and more this summer on Prize Picks, America's number one sports picks app cough.
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Evan Valenti
I don't know how much more of these Flex Play Fridays we're gonna have with the the NBA involved here, but we're gonna try one more here for game five. You and I are, are interested. We got one crossover here, but I'm gonna start for our flex play Friday. For those of you listening on a Friday because it's gonna come out late Thursday, but feels it on Friday. You'll understand I'm going Devin Vassell and we're gonna go. Role players shoot better at home. More than two and a half threes made. I love the shot. He's just been, he's been solid for them. Wemby. We're going less than 43 1/2 points, rebounds and assists. He only hit that number once in the series. So we're gonna, we're gonna ride the trend, so to speak. Now we're gonna move over to Josh Hart, who is the heart of the knicks more than 13 and a half rebounds and assists. I think he's been pretty good for them. The points won't even factor that in because he doesn't even look at the rim. But he does all the other stuff.
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Adam Kaufman
All right, we're gonna kind of go head to head. So you mentioned WEMBY Less than 43 and a half PRA. I'm gonna take a portion of that. I'm gonna go WEMBY More than 34 and a half PRA. Okay, we got little Goblin special here. Look, there's nothing wrong with. Yeah, I know the payout isn't quite the same, I have to acknowledge that. But still, if this guy does not exceed 35 points, rebounds, assists with his season on the line, after the way that he played in this most recent game and being at the forefront of a couple of late collapses, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe he isn't who I thought he is. So I am fully expecting Wemby to deliver for us. I wouldn't be surprised if he drops a 30 burger points alone. Never mind getting himself that double double with the rebounds and clearing this thing with ease. Couple other guys. I realize Jaylen Brunson more than likely going to be the finals MVP if we keep heading in this direction, but OG Anunoby is my Finals mvp. Absolutely love what this guy is doing. And you want to talk about again, going back to the very end of Game 4, the defense against Fox, the offense with the tip in, he has just been automatic both ends of the floor. Incredible to watch. Likable but subdued. When meeting with the media, I'm going to go more than 14 and a half points for OG Anunoby who has just been a walking bucket looking for the 15 plus out of him. And then the other one, this one shouldn't be as sweaty as it feels like it's going to be. And that is Dylan Harper. More than 24 points, rebounds, assists. The reason I say it shouldn't be is because this dude should be on the floor at all times. Incredible rookie year. Obviously little bit mismanaged in terms of his usage from the head coach there, Mitch Johnson, throughout this series, there are times that you expect him to be on the floor. He's not. Or expect him to be involved. He's not run the ball through this man. He is delivering on a consistent basis more than 24 PRA. Your season's on the line. Spurs figure it out.
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Evan Valenti
Yeah, our lamp's a little different, but if I hit three out of the three that I've picked my lineup, I'll get 4x of my money. So we're really for the last one, we're going big here, get two out of three of my money back. That's how the Flex Play Friday works. I've been rolling with that pretty much since the season started. And your money can get, you know, it's. Getting your money couldn't be any easier. In as little as 15 minutes. Just watch it roll in your account. I use Venmo. It's super easy. You can do whatever you want, bank account, debit card, whatever. And if your lineup's on fire, price picks, they offer early payouts. Does it happen for me?
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Dan Greenberg
Maybe.
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Evan Valenti
It could happen for you, though. Just take a look. Make sure you're keeping your eye on prize picks throughout the entire game. Cough.
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Adam Kaufman
So download the prize picks app today. Use the code. CLNs get $50 in lineups after playing your first for only $5. That is promo code. CLNs get $50in lineups after playing your first for ONLY 5 bucks. Let's get back to the show. Back with Greenie. Talking about, of course, what everybody is talking about, and that is Giannis the tentacompo. Will he be a Celtic? Won't he be a Celtic? Certainly he's going to be traded. Will he stay in the Eastern Conference? Is Milwaukee going to move him out West? We'll see. Again, Giannis expects to have some say in this, the Miami thing. I don't say I don't put stock in it. I certainly do. I just. The way I view him is going to change depending on where he goes, because all the reporting has been he wants to stay in the east, he wants to be with contender. There's a real chance to win a championship. I've said this on the show before, so I won't harp, but if he goes to Miami and is paired with, as Ev said, like, bam and nothing else, like you're a six seed, like you're, you're not a contender in the Eastern Conference. I'm sorry. Even if you are healthy and unless there's some, you know, incredible salary relief that the Heat can go out and do something remarkably creative that I'm, I'm unaware of or not even thinking about, I just, I, I don't see it. But obviously, if Giannis does land with a Boston, a New York, a Cleveland, you know, something like that, that's different. That's different. And I want to see what ends up happening as it relates to the Celtics. You mentioned Pierce traded. Smart traded. It's we as fans and followers of, of this team going back decades, difficult to, in our space, remove the emotion. But Brad Stevens is very good at it very good at, you know, separating himself from the emotional component and just building out a roster. So there is an element of, for many people, for me, I sense for you forever in Brad we trust and all of that. And I do, I trust Brad Zarin, that basketball front office to look at things objectively and say, what is our best chance to win a championship and what do you need to do with the roster? Again, a lot of people didn't want Trademark as Smart. I know plenty of people did. I'm not naive, but a lot of people didn't. And what they do, they went out and immediately won a championship. So for all the talk for years of like, you need a guy like that to win a title. Well, maybe you didn't.
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Dan Greenberg
Well, they got one.
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Adam Kaufman
I mean, they got a better version, quite frankly, of, of Marcus Smart and Drew Holiday. So anyway, that's, that's just a long preamble to say remove the emotion if you can. For purely basketball reasons, do you think this team is better, closer to a championship, continuing to do something around the margins, on the edges, the fringes with the James or Tatum, Giannis and whatever's around them?
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Dan Greenberg
I think it's just, it's hard to answer without knowing what's left and also what they're taking back in this trade.
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Evan Valenti
Right.
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Dan Greenberg
You're seeing reports floated around that it could be some sort of Giannis trade with also getting Miles Turner in the trade exemption, which I want no part of. So it's like, it's hard to know. What we do know is NBA history says if you have two top five guys, you're pretty much always contending for a championship.
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Evan Valenti
Right.
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Dan Greenberg
When Tatum and Brown were at their best and both performing at that level, they were contending for a championship. You know, the, the Knicks, you know, I don't know if they have two top five guys, but like you look at how they've been executing, they've been executing at that level. So it's, I have to know what else left. But from a basketball fit wise, if you're telling me Giannis is finally going to be okay with setting screens and rolling and being an off ball player with Jason Tatum, and you're telling me that Tatum would be okay going off ball for possessions and letting Giannis attack and do his thing because he's not exactly a, a shooter, he needs the ball in his hands to be effective, that brings up a whole nother, you know, series of questions in terms of fit and all that. But I, from a basketball standpoint, like we heard Brad Talk about paint scoring, rim pressure, shot generation. Like Giannis checks all those boxes. From a basketball standpoint, you be hoping that he would be healthy and available for when it matters. That has question marks around it. So it's, it's hard to know on June 11th until we see the full plan. Just like it was in 2024, right? Like when they traded for Porzingis, it was like, okay, like that's a move, but I'm, you know, the job isn't done yet. And then you saw the Jew holiday edition and, you know, then the whole plan made sense and obviously it was one of the greatest teams in NBA history. So I have no doubt that in terms of a duo, Tatum and Brown or Tatum and Giannis will fit together just because Tatum is the most malleable. You know, you can fit him in any player, any style system like that I'm not worried about. Whereas the Dame and Yanis pairing had limitations, you know, just in terms of Dame's skill set, his size, all that. So I have no doubt that if they buy in and, you know, everyone is on the same page, that they can work. What I don't know is are you closer to a championship with that and whatever is left or the Tatum and Brown duo and then adding to that with the tools you have. That's only a question Brad Stevens can answer, but I think that's. The debate is like, you may have a higher ceiling with Giannis because you have two top five guys, but do you have a lower floor given what you look like post trade?
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Evan Valenti
And it's not like the salary structure is going to get any different here because you're still going to have to allocate a ton of money to two guys, right?
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Dan Greenberg
You're still paying him 50. You still have to give him a
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Evan Valenti
sign to an extension. There's an extension? Yeah. Like, what does that number?
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Dan Greenberg
Aside from wondering, does Brad have the guts to do it? We don't know if this group is going. This ownership group wants to have two supermax salaries on the books moving forward. I think we all hope that they would. That's why I, and I don't think that we're going to be in a situation where we see Jalen traded for lesser players at lower salaries. I feel like that's something you only do for a Giannis type talent. But with that talent, you're now going to be paying Giannis 60, 70 million into his mid-30s, you know, like, there's no way around that. So if you don't believe in his aging and that he's gonna hold up long term is you're essentially potentially shortening your, you know, your title window to these next two years. You know, before these extensions, you know, Jalen Brown would need the same extension, but that money doesn't kick in for another two or three years. So it's like you could give him the extension and then in theory move off of him before, you know, you have to pay that bill. With Giannis, it starts sooner. So it's like your clock just ramps up, right? So if. If you're not certain, like, if they're certain that Tatum is pre injury Tatum, and there's no worries with that, and there's no worries with Giannis's health, you know, Jalen hasn't always been the most healthy, but, like, if they're okay with the health risk, generally durable, right? But, like, you know, maybe there isn't an issue for them of speeding up and potentially shortening their window because it's such an elite level player. But if you're nervous about post injury Tatum and the workload that that would require if, for God forbid, Giannis were to get hurt and now you have a little less of a. Of a roster around them to do it, I think that could be enough for them to be like, all right, it's not worth it. Let's go with this route where we're just adding to what we already have, knowing that our cores are 27 and 28 or whatever. They are 28 and 29, whatever it is.
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Evan Valenti
Yeah. James would have had 30 here, which is unique. I can't believe that we're here. You know, years ago, I saw this guy with a flat top who was just trying to talk and everything was 30 and in China and. And, you know, following Wemby a little bit by. By trying to. Well, you know, what's funny about jailies always goes across, like, to some country for a while and learns, like, their culture and stuff, which is cool. But I don't mean to get off topic.
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Adam Kaufman
I just.
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Evan Valenti
A lot of people, when you talk about trading for Giannis, a lot of people just omit the fact that he's going to have a huge, huge, huge extension coming that Jalen, you know, he probably has asked for, but the Celtics have no reason to give it to him at this moment in time.
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Dan Greenberg
What. But they could. They could still give it to him, like this summer they could give to him, but it doesn't. The cap number doesn't hit until another two or three more years.
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Adam Kaufman
So it's like there's no benefit to give it to a mother and peace of mind for him, which you don't owe him.
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Dan Greenberg
Right. So it comes down to basically, you know, you're going to have the same salary cap restrictions either way. Do you want that to happen a year sooner? And then you're charged with refilling your, you know, your roster, given what you lost. Because remember, if they take back Miles Turner in that TPE, he has, like, four years left at almost 28 mil per year. So now you're, you know, you. You can absorb that with the TPE, but after that, his 28 million counts towards your books the same way. So it's like there's a whole bunch of just unknowns in terms of what their salaries can look like. Like, I just think people don't understand that they're going to be in just as much of a salary crunch and an apron problem sooner if you were to bring in, you know, both of those players. And you're only sending out, you know, Jalen, maybe House, you know, let's say you're sending out 60 or you're taking in, you know, 70 to 80, and you're committed to guaranteed deals. You know, I don't think. I don't think Miles Turner has a team option. I think his last deal is a player option. He's not turning down that kind of money because he's not getting out of the open market. So I just think it's like, that's why I'm almost like, I would rather do the trade but not take back Miles. Like, if I have to take back Miles Turner's dead money, like, I'm not interested. There's other ways to build a contender. Like, if I can't reroute him, I'm not. I'm not interested in that.
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Adam Kaufman
Greeny, we often refer to you as the voice of the fan, albeit sometimes a little unhinged. But I like to watch you go back and forth, obviously, obviously, with people on social media, with that nice platform you've got. What are some of the. Whether around Giannis or just this off season in general? What are some of the commonalities that people in your mentions are talking about as it relates to this team?
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Dan Greenberg
I mean, I think you're seeing both sides of the coin, right? People who have never really been in the Jalen Brown camp are, you know, 10 toes down. The only way they can ever win a championship is if they get rid of Jaylen Brown. I don't believe that. You know, there's other people that are you know, on the other extreme of there's no way Brad Stevens would split up Tatum and Brown, he didn't do it for Prime Kevin Durant, yada yada Kawhi. I don't think that's true either. I think the truth and where I think rational, logical fans sit is everybody in the NBA has a price. If Brad thinks the trade makes sense, he'll pull the trigger. If the trade doesn't make sense, I do think that he feels like he can build a contender with the core that he has now. Maybe that's pulling the the cord and trading a Derrick White, right? Because you only have so many ways to add elite talent, right? You, you have two, you know, you have the 27 trade exemption, you have the mid level exemption and you have Derrick White, Jalen Brown, like those are your big high salary vehicles, for lack of a better term. You only have so many ways you can add in these, you know, needle moving players. So it's like you just have to pick your poison. You can't do it and keep all of those things. So I think it's least likely that they just bring in a player with that 27 million give back, you know, Sam Houser in the deal and that's their move. You're most likely using that to absorb an expiring deal or you know, you're using a chunk of it to bring in a player who makes more than the non taxpayer mid level which is I think capped at like 15 million per.
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Evan Valenti
Right?
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Dan Greenberg
So it's like if they want to add someone, not use the mid and need to offer more than the mid level but stay under the luxury tax, you can do that by offering someone 20 million a year, let's say and using the majority of the tpe. So it's just like there's no avoiding it. You either have to trade Derek, you have to trade Jalen, or you have to use the trade exemption to bring in a high salaried player. If that's the plan. If the plan is to bring in two or three lower salary players, then you don't need to move off your big money players. You can just use your non taxpayer and your trade exemption to do that. So we just don't know what the plan is. There's paths, there's pathways to do it either way. And I think you're just, the fans are just like we're so antsy for something to happen. It's kind of like this past off season where like we didn't know what was going to happen or what it was going to look like, but we wanted answers at the second the Celtics were eliminated. And it's just unfortunately, I think we're going to have to wait at least a month.
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Evan Valenti
Yeah, I'm, I'm. The more. The closer we get in watching like this finals, it's almost like one of these things. Well, how far are they really from contention if this, you know, they kind of went toe to toe with the Knicks a little bit the year prior. The Knicks have, I don't know what horseshoe up their ass at this particular moment in time. So, you know, it's like, it's. It's a measure of like, okay, how far are they really away if they, if they build on the periphery with a. As everybody has talked about bringing back Anthony Simons, you know, using the TP on some, you know, mid big and then, you know, rolling it back that way, hoping for internal improvements. Is that enough, Greeny? I don't think that's enough. I think this Knicks team is. As we talked about last week with Seth, the Knicks first off are benefited by. I know we all talk about Payton Pritchard being the best value contract in the NBA. I think Jalen Brunson is proving that to be completely wrong. I think Jalen Brunson being $37 million a year and being a top. Whatever player you want to call it is, is. Is impressive. But when you look at, you know, how far are they really away? You look at the Knicks, they have Brunson, OG Bridges all kind of like Cat's the only guy making like a super like ridiculous.
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Dan Greenberg
Remember, they're. They're about to be up against the apron, right? And I think we all. We have to remember what life is like in this new CBA world and what has really happened to every champion this entire decade, right? You usually get. We see a team load up, right? They take their swing, they go for it. You know, we saw it with, you know, the Lakers. They traded for. For Anthony Davis. They went for it right after that. They had to start selling off pieces. Their. Their books became a problem. They couldn't pay the. They didn't want to pay Alex Caruso, right? He left. They tanked the next year, the Bucks, they went all in, traded for Jew Holiday, won the title in the year since. What happened? They had to slowly start to peel off their, you know, their roster. That's the nature of the beast. Same thing with Denver. They went or same thing with the warriors, right? They went in, they traded for Andrew Wiggins. Next thing you know, they're losing in the playoffs. They're peeling off Klay Thompson. Guys are leaving the Nuggets. They trade for Aaron Gordon. They max Michael Porter Jr. They Max Jamal Murray. What did we see? They won the title. Then they, you know, had to get under. They lost Bruce Brown. They're about to, you know, potentially lose Cam Johnson. Celtics took their swing, went all in, had their swing. Now they're doing it the Thunder, when you know, they didn't have to go all in in terms of a high, you know, price free agent or high price trade. But this is the year all of their core guys, their extensions all kick in. They could end up missing out or having to move on from Lou Dort Hartenstein. Their depth like the Knicks, this is their all in swing moment. They made the trade for Cat. They're, you know, on the verge of winning a championship, but they have a decision to make on Mitchell Robinson. They have decisions to make on some other pieces which could impact their contention window just like everybody else. So when you're thinking of how close you are to these teams that are contending and on the verge of the championship, you have to remember right now that's the case. But is that going to be the case a year from now, two years from now? Like because let's say the Knicks decide to go into the second apron, okay, you can do that, but we know you only get two years in the second apron before the basketball penalties kick in. So chances are they would get back out. So I think when we, we have to remember that these windows and the, it's like a cycle. You get, you, you load up, you get your championship swing. And then the next year or two after that, you have to start the retooling, resetting process.
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Adam Kaufman
Foreign. Let's talk about these finals. Knicks are now up 3:1. I was so sure. And how could you not be with a 29 point lead? The biggest comeback in NBA Finals history. Move over Celtics. I was so sure we were going to be 22 going back to San Antonio. A new best three, a brand new series, a compelling series like we've got completely unrelated in the Stanley cup final right now. There's nothing that brought me more joy than the idea of the Knicks up 20 going back to MSG. The get in price of 6, 7, 8 plus thousand dollars. Never mind what these just litany of celebrities. Everyone under the sun with even remote ties to New York, sitting in and around the court, watching this team implode before their very eyes. It brought me the giddiness inside that, that Larry David and Seinfeld and Spike Lee and everybody had to watch New York crumble away this series at the Mecca in its first opportunity to host a Finals game in more than a quarter century. Instead, we get arguably the best NBA Finals game in history, certainly of this series. So The Knicks win 107 to 106. A lot of people are pointing at Wemby for not delivering in the fourth quarter. Looking at all the missed shots, missed free throws, de' Aaron Fox turnovers, boneheaded plays, mistakes, maybe arguably not even enough credit being given to New York for the comeback versus the choke job of San Antonio. On the other side, critical of Mitch Johnson, play calling, shot selection, execution with too much time on the shot clock, sort of just trying to coast away to a win as opposed to actually step on the throw. It's all of these things. I want to know what you guys think coming up in game five and obviously your reflections on the series so far. But first, I. I just. I gotta say something that I. I'm in danger of being canceled by Celtics fans. Guys. I'm rooting for San Antonio. I'm invested in San Antonio. I was pissed watching that game in game four. All of that said, you take off those Knicks jerseys and we're just watching a bunch of anonymous dudes run around the court. This is a really freaking fun team to watch. This is a difficult Knicks team to dislike, to root against. It's. I'm not going to be happy when they, when they hoist that banner, when they're running around screaming and celebrating and raising the Larry o' Brien and all of that. But this is a. This is a tough Knicks team to go against. It really is. And yeah, Ev said the horseshoe up their ass and all that. There is. There is team of destiny stuff that is going on with this team, Greenie. There's no doubt about it.
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Dan Greenberg
I think two things are at play here. The first, and why I'm not, like, too bent out of shape about it, is because we just saw the Celtics win, right? Like, if they didn't win the 2024 title and this was all happening, I would be, like, apoplectic. You know, like, that would be worst case. But also when you think of where the Knicks are now, they followed the path, including the Celtics path, of, you know, what it takes to finally break through and get over the hump. They have absorbed their playoff pain on multiple playoff runs in the Eastern Conference finals with horrific, painful losses, collapses, game seven, losses at home, like, the very same things that we as Celtics fans live through and is like, what we felt. They had finally earned their right and opportunity to win the championship. You can hate the Knicks all they want, but they have done the same thing. They went through their pain, they entered this run, they have shown the mental toughness. They've won on the road, they've won at home. They've, you know, when it came time to make the big shot, they've made the big shot. Like everything that they've done warrants, like, when you have, even in this Finals, two double digit comebacks to start the largest comeback in NBA Finals history. Like, at some point, I think it's okay to say this is a deserving champion, given the scars and the pain that they have endured before this run. And then their execution in play, you know, 13 in a row is no joke. You know, I'm definitely someone who doesn't put stock into the whole easy path. Baloney. Like, you have to win who you have to win against. And they're just, they're taking it to a 62 win team. So it's like, I just think, you know, it's okay to acknowledge that there are other good teams in the NBA. And to me, they would be a
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Evan Valenti
rightful champion, no question. I mean, just look at the way they come back from these games. It's like, again, if you remove the laundry, it's. It's like remarkable what these guys were able to accomplish when you think they're totally dead. And again, watching this last, say, Wednesday night here, I was talking, we were talking before we got on here, I think even before you got your cough about, like, at what point did you, did you know, like, this game isn't over yet. And I was like, I don't know, 29, 27, 25. Somewhere in there where you're looking at it and you're like, well, look, there's a ton of time left in this game. I've seen this story before. I was in the building for game one last year when the Knicks came. I mean, it was, it looks so effortless for the Celtics to just blow them out of the water. And then all of a sudden, none of the threes were falling and they're not getting to the basket because the Knicks are packing the paint. And it's a whole different ball game when they're not going in. So like, I, we've seen this story before. I, I just. The amount of mental toughness you have to have as a basketball team to be. And this is what Seth sent us earlier today. Cough The Knicks are 5 and 3 when they trail by 20 plus points. The rest of the NBA is a combined 4 and 71 combined in that span. Like, that is ridiculous amount of mental toughness. And what's crazy to me and Mike Brown has been just ridiculous this season. This is not just a coaching thing because it did under Tibeto as well. So it's like these guys, it's the makeup of the team, it's the chemistry of the team. It's just, it's the stuff that's hard to evaluate when you're trying to put a team together. Obviously these guys all going to Villanova, it makes a ton of sense. They bring in Cat and, and it has worked. But like when you're building a team and we're talking about trading for Giannis or grabbing Trey Murphy or whatever, like, you have to factor in other things than just, do they shoot well? Do they rebound the basketball shots? And this is one of the things to make this slightly socially for a second.
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Adam Kaufman
This is one of the things that
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Evan Valenti
I love about Joe Missoula, what he's doing right now. He was in, he was in at Creighton hanging out with Baylor Shireman in the gym. He went to Portugal to go hang out with him out. Like, Joe does some stuff that I don't think I see a lot of other coaches do. Maybe it's. Maybe it's something that a lot of other coaches do and they just. It's not publicized, but like Joe going abroad or flying around the country to like learn about his guys more as much as I've. And this is, I gave Joe a ton of flack beginning of the year about this is a big year for Joe Missoula. Joe Missoula does understand the little stuff that, that you have to do to be a successful head coach in this league. And I think trying to find what makes each of these guys truly tech is maybe his special skill here. And that's like when you evaluate this with the subject lens from 30,000ft, that's what I see. I see a team that believes themselves, no question, but the mental toughness of all these guys is something you cannot measure on a statue. No question about. Agree.
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Dan Greenberg
And a lot of people say, like, oh, did the spurs choke this or did the, did the Knicks come back? And I think to ev's point, it's like, I look at it as the spurs open the door, but the Knicks had the mental toughness and the execution to blow through it and to maximize on that, you know, extra life that they were given Right. Because it doesn't matter that the spurs are missing all these shots and can't score if you are not executing and coming through on the other end. Because when you're down 29 points, you only have so many possessions to make that up for when they're up 25 and they're going to hack a Mitch to kill the opportunity to, for the Knicks to go on these runs and to maximize their possessions. You know, they, they made the plays, right? Like they opened up the opportunity for de' Aaron Fox to make a mental error in the final second for Wemby to get, you know, cold feet at the line in the final two minutes. Like it was the Knicks execution and resiliency and just sort of meeting the moment that sort of created those opportunities. And to me that is just the telltale sign of a team that's ready to win. And I go back to the Celtics, game three against the Dallas Mavericks. They had a 21 point lead. They let that go. They were letting go of the rope. But in the final two or three minutes they had the resiliency, the toughness and the execution to get over the hump. Jalen making that free throw jumper is a shot we saw them miss every single time before they were ready to win. This time it went in. Tatum had the like the spin dunk, that's almost always a loose ball going the other way against Jimmy Butler and they lose. And now they got it through because they were ready to win. I think the next time the spurs are in this position, they will be ready to win, but they hadn't gone through their failures yet. So I think you're just seeing a team in the Knicks that they have the profile of someone who's breaking through. That's just what it comes down to.
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Adam Kaufman
Yeah, I just take that a step further. You know, a lot was made of the spurs reaction and emotional release after coming back from down three two and winning a game seven on the road at okc, knocking off the defending champs, the two time defending MVP and SGA and Wemby out there, you know, hugging teammates, crying, they're like hugging the trophy, all of these things, like they just won a championship. And a lot of people looked at that and said like, man, you know, is this team, do they feel like they just played the NBA Finals? And I know the odds, if you're, you know, someone in the betting market, you saw that. I mean, the spurs were overwhelming favorites to go and knock off the Knicks. I certainly didn't think it was going to be all that tough a series. You know, Evil was a proponent of, of San Antonio. You know, our, our guy Seth, we talked about, he thought the spurs were going to sweep. You know, like, you know, a lot of people that were taking the Knicks for granted, there's no doubt about it. And I didn't really make it, like, personally for me, I didn't make a big deal out of the celebration. I was like, yeah, I mean, that was a, that was a tough hill to climb. That was a, a war of attrition. Hell of a series. And they got through it. And you know, on to the next. When in reality, the on to the next mindset time and time again has been displayed by New York.
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Dan Greenberg
Yep.
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Adam Kaufman
Never throughout this playoff run has there been any sort of getting in front of themselves, getting overexcited, getting emotional. I mean, like, Cat has gotten emotional and obviously talking about the loss of his mom and things like that, but in, in the way that they had already won. I mean, even looking at some of the post game Interviews after Game 4, Jalen Brunson sitting down with the inside crew, I don't know if you guys saw this. And Draymond Green is, you know, offering an apology, you know, for, for the way he's talked about Brunson and the Knicks, you know, Shaq and, and Barkley, you know, they're all making their jokes and Brunson is just stoic and stone faced and honestly came off as, as annoyed and bothered and didn't want to be there. And, you know, some, and I, I don't say that in a critical way. Like some of these put, you know, anunoby talking to SVP on SportsCenter. Same kind of deal, like respectful, but also just no emotions, straight face, like, we got a job to do. And that has been the message from the Knicks every step of the way. Like, yeah, we were down 29. What were we gonna do? Just pack it in? Like, no, we're, we're here trying to accomplish something. And so again, goes back to kind of the likability of this team, the, the blue collar mindset of this team. I mean, don't get me wrong, you know, people complain like New York fans, Boston fans, Philadelphia fans. I'm not sure there's a worse singular fan base in the world than Knicks fans. I don't want this for Knicks fans. Those people are atrocious. But this team, to your point, Greeny, just looks ready to win. I think spurs are the more talented team. Top to bottom, I expect Wemby Company, Harper Castle, these Guys, if they stay together, like a ring or two or more like they're coming, Wemby's gonna get his. They just look overcome by the moment and.
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Dan Greenberg
And I would go right back to your own Boston Celtics, right? They won that game seven in Miami in 2022. Finally got over the hump, right? All the Eastern Conference finals failures. They finally made the finals. You could tell that that was, like, this release. What happened. Many people thought they were the more talented team heading into that finals against Golden State. But what happened? They went up against a real killer and a team that had been there before and knew what was at stake and what it takes to be ready to win, right? They got up 10 in that finals. They got up 2 1. It's like, all right, like, we're doing it. Yeah, work that way. The spurs showed that same sort of exhale. We got past okc. This was the challenge everyone was talking about all year. We did it. The Knicks, like you said, stoic. They're consistent.
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Evan Valenti
Why?
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Dan Greenberg
Because they've had pain. They've been close and failed. They know what can happen if you relent and you don't have that singular focus. So even up 20 in this series, what was it? It's. Oh, you have Mikhail Bridges. I don't know if you guys saw the. The interview with him. I did, right after that game, but it's like, that's a guy who has lost after being up 20 in the finals. He has that pain, and you can have all the talent in the world, but I don't think that can outweigh the age and the experience and knowing what it feels like. How many times did we hear Tatum and Brown talk about the pain of the 2022 Finals and hearing Golden State celebrate, impact, their response, and how they approached the 2024 finals? So it's just one of those things where, you know, you can have the talent, but that will never beat playoff pain and what that does to these teams. Because let's not pretend like the Knicks don't have enough talent to win a championship. They obviously do.
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Adam Kaufman
Sure.
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Dan Greenberg
So when you put those two things together, that's when a breakthrough happens. And I think that's what we're seeing with the Celtics. They're going to have to now do that same thing, Right. They're relying on all these young, unproven players. This last run, right? They didn't have that playoff pain and sort of embarrassment. Well, now they do. So the next time they're in that situation, my guess is they'll Be well, you know, way more equipped to handle it. Same thing I think will happen with the Spurs. We're just seeing the Knicks be on the other side of that because they've already gone through it.
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Evan Valenti
Yeah, the pain of the Tyrese Halliburton shot that goes 85 million feet in the air and then falls through the cylinder to be beat them. Yeah, I can get that. And there is a lot of parallels. It's interesting that again, we always try to make it some of something's related. There's a lot of parallels between 2024 Celtics, who again, one of the most talented teams we've seen in recent memory in this Knicks team who just kills you with a bunch of dudes and like you have some guys that step up like Alvarado, like don't get me wrong and, and you know, sometimes Andrew Shannon has a game, but it's like the OG Ananobis, the, the, the Mikhail Bridges, Carl Anthony Towns, Jalen Brunson's like they're, they're beating you over the head with, with what they have talent wise. And again, to Coffin's point, it's not like the spurs aren't talented. I, I text about Dylan Harper every like five minutes about what I'm watching with him and I cannot believe at 20 years old what he can do. But it's just again, not their time. And hopefully for the Celtics, you know, they never meet the spurs team when
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Dan Greenberg
it's their time just because. Right. But. And I, but I think that's going to be a lot of, you know, you know, okc, you could say, like did they have their pain? You know, they had playoff losses earlier, but I think this was, you know, an example of them now going through it. I just.
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Evan Valenti
Denver certainly had a couple for sure.
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Dan Greenberg
Yep. Indiana, Indiana has now gone through their own. I mean they lost a game 7 with losing their best players. So I think, you know, they'll be hardened if that team remains intact with a lot of those same guys. It's just there's no skipping steps in the NBA and I think it's very, very, very rare. You know, you could have like your, your Magic Johnson who wanted as a rookie but you know, had Kareem, who I think I just won MVP. Bill Walton, same thing. Like that was 50 freaking years ago. So it's like, you know, even Michael Jordan had to lose before he won. LeBron had to lose before he won. It's just, it's the one league because it's a seven game series and it's not Just, you know, you got lucky in the super bowl or whatever. You have like nobody skips steps. It's just, it's just how it goes.
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Adam Kaufman
Well, and I mean somebody, I don't remember exactly what the tweet said, but it was, and this was going into the series, it was talking about, you know, like Durant, his first finals got swept, LeBron, first finals got swept. You know, maybe I don't remember. There was it. There was another, you know, high profile name or two in there. And obviously this won't be a sweep ultimately, but you know, for a little while you wondered sometimes to your point, you just need to, you need to go through the steps and you hate
- [54:36]
Dan Greenberg
for it to happen in the final. Like the lessons that the spurs are learning are like outrageous. Like never in a million years do you think your best player is going to throw away the ball in the final two seconds of game to a teammate. You know, nobody is going to think that de' Aaron Fox, a nine year veteran, isn't going to just hold on to the ball, you know, or an 87 free throw shooter in WEMBY is going to miss two free throws. So it's like, it's unfortunate that they're learning these extremely rare lesson, you know, like extremely rare circumstances on the verge of winning a championship. But that's just part of their path. And you know, we say it all the time, oh, they're going to. This team is the next dynasty they're going to be. They may never get back. Right. Like we hope the Celtics would. Sure. The Celtics had a much different competition level. Like there's no Jokic in the, in the east, there's no, you know, okc, there's no, you know, other teams that may load up.
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Adam Kaufman
Who knows?
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Dan Greenberg
So while they're young, you know, they have one or two more like Wemby's about to sign the largest rookie extension in NBA history. It's only a matter of time before that number kicks in. You know, they right now are committed a max extension to de' Aaron Fox. Like what are they going to do about that moving forward? So you think they move them? I think they would. You'd have to overpay pick wise to get off that deal. So I don't know if they'd be willing to bite that bullet, but you almost have to because you have to give the keys to Dylan Harper. He has proven that he is a worthy, ridiculous, worthy starting guard.
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Adam Kaufman
Yeah, the. Just to put a bow on this. The thing with Wemby and obviously we talk about the way game two ended with throwing it off a castle's back. And then, you know, for all of the, I am certainly in the camp and I was screaming this at the time like a lot of other people. It seems we lost ev. We'll, we'll wrap up the show.
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Dan Greenberg
I feel like I jinx it every time I'm on.
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Adam Kaufman
I didn't even notice he had. For how long ago did he freeze?
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Dan Greenberg
Just now. Like, just.
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Evan Valenti
Okay.
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Dan Greenberg
Just now. Yeah.
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Evan Valenti
All right.
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Adam Kaufman
At least he was with us for most of this thing. So I, you know, in the, in the spirit again, like Wemby, there's just something on the face that just does not look right late in a lot of these games. And I expected an answer in game three from him first, never mind the team from him, and we got it and he was strong. Then you get to game four and for all the people that, that want to, you know, talk about the, the not taking the ball out and trying to kill clock dearon Fox and going up for the lay up or dunk and gets blocked by Anunoby and like, yeah, I, I mean obviously that played a role in, in helping to decide this game. But I keep thinking about the two missed free throws.
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Dan Greenberg
Well, it's not, it's more than that. He was 3 of 14 in the second half.
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Adam Kaufman
No, I mean, I mean, I'm just talking about the, you know, but like in that moment, missing both those free throws just felt game ending. It felt so incredibly enormous. And it was like, man, like, it's, I don't know, it just, I, I, I, I couldn't in my wildest. I mean, one out of two. Okay, like, great. Missing both in that spot with all of that on the line. I was shocked. I was.
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Dan Greenberg
Especially after missing the, the first one, right? You missed the first one. It's like, all right, he'll lock in. The second one wasn't even close, right? So like, obviously he played. I think he only got 43 seconds of rest that entire half, which is Mitch Johnson. Like, what are you doing? You can't buy him two or three minutes when you're up 25, 26 points. Considering you blew the lead anyways like that, that's a tough second guess, but that's the type of team of destiny stuff that, you know, you can't, you can't deny, right? You have the, the threes bouncing all around and dropping for the Knicks. You got that three that Brunson hit over Wemby with about two minutes left to bring it within one. You have Josh Hart missing a fast break layup and it's somehow not coming back to bite them. Like those are all things that generally lose you a game unless you're a team of destiny. And I think, I think that's what we learned is like the, the 13 game winning streak, the magnet ball that they've had. There was the, if you remember in they lost the game but like there was that Jordan Clarkson like buzzer beating three in game three that like should have never dropped that somehow went in right. I just think it's like, you know, Wemby again is like an 87 or 84 free throw shooter. They hadn't missed a free throw all night, I think, or only one that entire game. To me that just screams team of destiny and that's just, you know, how the cookie crumbles.
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Adam Kaufman
So. All right, well, we don't want to make ev sit in the shadows for too long. We've been going for about an hour anyway, so we'll wrap there. I, I will ask you on the way out the series end in five or do you think spurs will force it back to New York, which secretly is probably what Knicks fans want to win the thing at home anyway.
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Dan Greenberg
I, I kind of want to believe that there's a little bit of, you know, like when the Celtics kind of punted on game four, I, it wouldn't surprise me if, you know, if the spur. But it's tough because one bad quarter could just end it all. But I'm interested to see who gets the nod. Are we going to get our first Scott Foster game of the series? Like this feels like even if they're not doing it, you know, even if it's subconsciously, this feels like we're going to be taking it back to New York just to win it at home in six. Kind of like how in 2008 the Celtics won game four, had a massive comeback, lost game five in LA, but then won it by blowout in game six. I think that's even in, even in the, in the 25 series against the Knicks. Right. They want. They lost game five on the road, came back home in game six and blue doors. I think that's, you know, they'll have their own magnet ball, they'll get off to a great start and then that'll be it.
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Adam Kaufman
At this point I'd be satisfied to get us to game six just to have more basketball.
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Dan Greenberg
But yeah, I want seven. I'm hoping for seven, but I just.
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Adam Kaufman
Me too, man, me too. These spurs are making me questioning everything on Basically a daily basis. All right, well, want to thank our friends at prize picks. Want to remind you, you can catch the video version of Celtics beat available to you on the CLNS YouTube page, be it the main page or the all access page. You can find us and we'll. We appreciate you obviously hanging out. I'm gonna get some water. Leave us comments. Continue to interact not only with us, but with each other. We always love to see the community feel for this show. Continue to tweet at Greeny because he's there. He wants.
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Dan Greenberg
I'm there for better or worse.
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Adam Kaufman
Yeah, he's there. And. And I, for better or worse, still have the notifications on for the man. So I see all of this insanity. I don't read them all, but constantly they'll pop. The funniest thing is I'll be watching a game with my kids, like, in their bed on my phone. And though, like, your. It's like your witching hour and that's when these will constantly pop up. And they don't know what Twitter is. They just think, like, who's this guy who, like, keeps texting you about, like, no, no, no, no.
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Dan Greenberg
I'm just having an existential breakdown. Don't worry about it.
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Adam Kaufman
These are notifications. These are not directly to me. Even though it. I feel somewhat. They can be. In some cases, they can be for Evan Valenti, of course, our guy Greeny. Dan Greenberg over at Barstool Sports. I'm Adam Kaufman. We'll catch you again next time. Hopefully still with the NBA Finals to talk about.
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Dan Greenberg
See you later, hero performance.