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You might not expect a NASA systems engineer to credit Olive Garden with shaping his approach to excellence—but that’s exactly what Jeff does.

In this episode of Chasing Sigma, Randy & Chaz sit down with Jeff Leach, a software systems engineer at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, to talk about what it means to build processes that don’t just work—they endure.

From coordinating deep-space communication systems to leading teams and raising kids, Jeff shares how systems thinking isn’t just for space missions—it’s for life.

You’ll hear:

Why early doubts about systems engineering helped Jeff develop a deeper respect for structure
What he’s learned from launching rockets—and parenting toddlers
How generative AI is challenging and reshaping workflows at NASA
What it means to own your value inside complex teams
And how excellence starts with humility, empathy, and a willingness to ask good questions

🎯 Because whether you’re building rockets or relationships, how you build matters.