Today's podcast explores the full spectrum of Crabb and Sales' friendship. It begins with the most thoughtful birthday gift ever, given by Sales and gal pals to Crabb on her 50th. It then moves smoothly into an epic betrayal, which Sales cheerfully recounts AS IF IT'S NOTHING. What the hell? Also, Sales finds it diffcult not to mention her recent encounter with Lin-Manuel Miranda. And she's listened to some podcasts. But really, the betrayal is what'll stay with you.

Listen now on Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

1:30 Jacqui Duncan, Little City Art | Website

5:30 Natalija Rushidi Designer | Website

12:30 In The Room: Leigh Sales with Lin-Manuel Miranda | ABC iview

19:40 Back in Time for The Corner Shop | ABC iview

21:18 Australian Story with Claudia Karvav | ABC iview

24:00 Empowering Leaders Podcast | Listen

25:20 The Imperfects Podcast | Listen

26:40 The Witch Trials of JK Rowling Podcast | Listen

26:50 Unfollow by Megan Phelps-Roper | Booktopia

30:40 Things Fell Apart with Jon Ronson Podcast | Listen

31:30 Nikki Gemmell on No Filter Podcast | Listen

32:19 The Bride Stripped Bare byNikki Gemmell | Booktopia

33:15 Chat 10 Looks 3 Brisbane Show | Tickets

33:30 Chat 10 Looks 3 Sydney Show | Tickets

36:00 Chat 10 Looks 3 Newsletter | Sign Up

Produced by DM Podcasts

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.