keeping it real | victoria garrick browne

Summary

CHEERS! with Avery Woods

Episode: keeping it real | victoria garrick browne

Date: September 15, 2025

Guest: Victoria Garrick Browne
Host: Avery Woods

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Episode Overview

In this heartfelt and honest conversation, Avery Woods welcomes athlete and mental health advocate Victoria Garrick Browne for a deep dive into self-acceptance, body image, authenticity on social media, and life transitions. Over wine, they share personal stories, discuss overcoming societal pressures on appearance, transparency about cosmetic procedures, and how both motherhood and athletic endeavors have shaped their sense of self. Victoria also shares insights from her journey as a collegiate volleyball player, her viral TEDx talk, and building her advocacy nonprofit. The tone is warm, candid, and empowering, filled with both laughter and vulnerability.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Victoria’s Background and Advocacy Journey ([01:55])

• Victoria introduces herself: played indoor volleyball at USC, majored in broadcast journalism, originally aimed to be a sports reporter.
• Her struggle with performance anxiety and an eating disorder during her freshman year led to a mental health crisis, sparking her advocacy.
• Delivered a TEDx talk as a sophomore about athlete mental health:
  • “Nothing felt as important…than just making a cry for help and talking about what I thought was a huge issue I had zero warning for.” ([04:22])
• Founded the nonprofit "The Hidden Opponent" to advocate for athlete mental health.

2. Body Image, Appearance Pressure & Social Media Authenticity ([05:35])

• Both discuss childhood and teenage body image struggles.

  • Avery: Layered camisoles to flatten her chest as a teen, ate lunches in the bathroom out of shame ([05:35]), experienced negative body comments ("boys told me I walked like a duck").
  • Victoria: Stresses the impact of the first negative comment on body awareness.
    • “Everyone can track back that first comment…and that’s why I’m huge on just not commenting on my friends’ bodies.” ([06:48])

• Both agree transparency is key—Victoria avoids Facetune/filters now, admits to doing so previously but sees damage in “picture perfect” culture ([05:00], [19:14]).

• On facial procedures and plastic surgery:

  • Avery: Open about sharing her nose job and lipo on social media ([07:42], [10:34]).
  • Victoria: Advocates for sharing what you do openly; “If you do it, tell people. When people say you look so good, tell them what you did so women don’t feel insecure.” ([08:48], [16:17])

3. Social Media: Transparency vs. Judgment ([10:34])

• Avery reflects on harsh online judgments for being candid about procedures.

  • “I’d rather people judge me or be mean, but knowing I’m telling the truth, I’m not withholding any information.” ([10:49])

• Both share frustration with the double standard: celebrities hide their procedures and are unjudged; honesty is often weaponized ([09:42]).

• Victoria’s take:

  • “Those people…literally be busier.” ([13:12])
  • Both touch on eating disorder histories and the overwhelming pressure to conform or be “uber thin.”

• Importance of focusing on more than looks. Victoria:

  • “I would love to see…the conversation be moved to what you’re accomplishing, the friends you keep in your life.” ([17:55])
  • Cites even small talk about girls being appearance-based from childhood ([19:14]).

4. Online Boundaries & Mental Health ([21:08])

• Avery: Learned to stop reading every comment, notes huge mental health benefit.

  • “That changed my life. Like, truly changed my life.” ([21:29])

• Discuss the grind of building an online presence, then learning to cherish in-person moments and step back from constant content.

  • “I feel like I’ve missed so much life… enjoying the dinner, living in the moment” ([21:33])

• Community management tips: Victoria suggests Instagram broadcast channels for a more selective, supportive community ([24:41]).

5. TEDx Talk Origin Story ([29:13])

• Victoria saw a call for TEDx auditions during class and pitched athlete mental health, drawing on her own diary and pain.
• Initially rejected before a committee member fought for her application.
  • “If you and your heart just know, like, that it’s true, it’s meaningful, it’s worth it, don’t let anyone rejecting you hold you back.” ([31:53])
• Her talk went on to be USC’s most viewed TEDx.

6. Building a Social Platform with Purpose ([32:33])

• Started vlogging her athlete life, then speaking about mental health, later transitioning to TikTok and diversified content.
• “I was not like an overnight person…which I’m grateful for.” ([33:57])
• Importance of slow, steady growth and loyal audience over virality.
• Monetized podcast (“RealPod”), social media, and brand deals—moved from “hustle out of necessity” to “hustle out of passion.” ([36:21])

7. Personal Life, Relationships & Future Family ([38:13])

• Met husband Max in college (USC football player); together nine years, married three.
• On kids: Planning, timing, and how motherhood is both a fear and a calling.
• Avery:
  • “I feel like it wasn’t until I became a mom that I really found myself.” ([43:02])
  • Encourages flexibly raising kids: “Bring your kids into your already existing life, and they adjust.” ([44:43])
• Both discuss authentic parenting, boundaries, and fostering open communication with kids and teens ([53:34]).

8. Athlete Life & Parenting Philosophy ([47:43], [50:45], [51:09], [53:34])

• Both former athletes (volleyball and football), discuss approach to future children’s activities.
  • “I definitely want my kids to feel supported in anything that they love.…but I think football is trickier because of brain injuries.” ([51:09])
• Parenting teens: Avery discusses proactive, safe approaches to parties, substance use, and peer pressure ([53:46]).

9. Body Positive Influencers and Community ([58:12])

• Victoria shouts out body-positive creators Spencer Barbosa, Jamie Karoma, and Birds Papaya.
• Both praise Rare Beauty and Selena Gomez for authentic, mental-health–forward branding ([59:12]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Everyone can track back that first comment and it might even have been a compliment that made them aware of their body and how it looked." — Victoria ([06:48])
• "I’d rather people judge me or be mean, but knowing I’m telling the truth, I’m not withholding any information." — Avery ([10:49])
• "If you do it, tell people. When people say you look so good, like, tell them what you did so that women don’t feel insecure." — Victoria ([08:48])
• "If you and your heart just know…that it’s true, it’s meaningful, it’s worth it, don’t let anyone rejecting you hold you back from that." — Victoria, on TEDx rejection ([31:53])
• “The only thing I can do is not subject myself to see [the comments]. Yeah. And that changed my life. Like, truly changed my life.” — Avery ([21:29])
• "To believe the good reviews is to believe the bad. So if you get high with the highs, you will get low with the lows." — Victoria quoting Phineas ([23:09])
• "I feel like it wasn't until I became a mom that I really found myself." — Avery ([43:02])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:55] Victoria's background, eating disorder, and TEDx talk origin
• [05:35] Early body image experiences, impact of negative comments
• [08:48] Transparency about cosmetic procedures and public judgment
• [10:49] Avery on sharing her lipo journey and online critics
• [17:55] Discussion on moving conversations beyond appearance
• [19:14] Societal beauty pressures from childhood
• [21:08] Boundaries with social media and reading comments
• [24:41] Instagram broadcast channels for community building
• [29:13] Victoria's TEDx journey and advice on rejection
• [32:33] Building a social platform and slow career growth
• [38:13] Victoria and Max's relationship and family planning
• [43:02] Avery's perspective on motherhood and identity
• [53:34] Raising teens: honesty, safety, and handling peer pressure
• [58:12] Body positive influencers to follow
• [59:12] Praise for Rare Beauty and Selena Gomez

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Rapid Fire Segment Highlights ([60:47])

• Victoria's current highlight: Taylor Swift’s new album and podcast appearance.
• Comfort show: Friends (“Just put it on in the background for like, a day.” — Victoria [65:58])
• Favorite date night: Glass of wine, gummy, Survivor episodes at home.
• Song that puts her in a good mood: Taylor Swift (“Anything Taylor Swift puts me in a good mood. To be so honest.” [68:32])
• Favorite Taylor albums: Fearless, Folklore, Reputation.
• Go-to skincare: Summer Fridays jet lag mask, Haley Bieber’s glaze.

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Closing & Where to Find Victoria

• Podcast: RealPod – new episodes every Wednesday.
• Instagram & TikTok: @victoriagarrickbrowne
• Nonprofit: The Hidden Opponent (athlete mental health advocacy)

Final words:
“Cheers to that enjoyable area of life…and it’s healthy to have a little bit of those boundaries.” — Victoria ([37:21])

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This episode stands out for its vulnerability, actionable wisdom for anyone struggling with appearance, body image, the pressures of online life, and balancing ambition alongside authenticity. Avery and Victoria’s rapport makes “keeping it real” truly feel like a conversation among friends—one with resonance and impact.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Hi Avery.

[A]

Welcome.

[B]

Thanks.

[A]

Thanks for being here. And I was just telling her she looks so cute. She coordinated her shirt with her shoes. Stop.

[B]

It's everything, you know, when you don't know if it's too matchy matchy or it's just right. I was overthinking it, but, but I definitely, when I pulled out this top that I haven't worn in two years, I was like, this top I feel like Avery will vibe with.

[A]

I appreciate that. Now I'm in sweatpants. I really dressed up, but that's just how I roll, you know. Well, I'm so glad that you're here because I think your story is so cool and so interesting and kind of overlaps a little bit that I've done in my life and also things that really interest me and excite me. So for people that don't know you, maybe describe yourself, what you do, what you're doing job is and what you use your platform for.

[B]

Definitely. Well, I'm sure as you feel the same you can have like the long story, the medium story, the short story. So cut me off if I am going for too long. But basically I went to college at USC and I majored in broadcast journalism. I thought I wanted to be a sports reporter one day. I had loved and played sports my whole life and I was actually at USC playing indoor volleyball. So that was my focus until I started to see a different side of sport that wasn't being talked about. And it was really through my own struggles that my eyes began to open to this side of elite athletics that no one was talking about at the time. And that was the mental health conversation. I was so excited to play volleyball at USC and be in the Pac12. Now it's the Big Ten, which is so weird. But why did that change? Basically, when the nil rule flipped, so athletes could monetize their name, image, and likeness, which is essentially all we do right now. It's crazy to think. I mean, I was. I had a YouTube channel in college, and I. You know, it was doing really well, and I couldn't monetize it because I would be monetizing my name, image, and likeness, which technically you can't do because you're a college athlete, which never made sense. Like, it wasn't okay. So that got overturned. And then athletes could make money just because they were themselves. And so then it became this whole money fest. And the UCLA and USC, like, left the PAC 12 to join the Big Ten. And now it's just kind of a whole scramble. But when I was there, it was the PAC 12, which now is, like, vintage, you know?

[A]

Yeah, it's OG.

[B]

I love that it is. So anyways, I was on cloud nine, but started to really struggle with performance anxiety. We were the number one team in the country. I was playing as a freshman, which was amazing on paper, but taking a toll behind the scenes. And as I started to deal with the anxiety, I felt like my whole mental health started to spiral. I also was, like, totally primed to have an eating disorder because I had always, like, dieted in high school. I counted my calories. I did all the things I thought were normal but were definitely not normal. And so then when I got put in this, like, pressure cooker, that was another outlet for me, was, like, wanting to restrict and stay in. You make sure I was fitting into my high school jeans that I packed, and I wasn't gonna, like, look different when I went home for Christmas break. There's so much pressure, I think, on your body when you go to school. And it was like a hodgepodge of that. And then I fell into a depressive episode. And nothing felt as important to me at that time than just, like, making a cry for help and talking about what I thought was a huge issue I had zero warning for. So that's what inspired me to deliver my TEDx talk my sophomore year of college. And then that really began to lead me on the path of athlete advocacy. And so now I have a Nonprofit the Hidden Opponent, where we do a.

[A]

Lot of that work.

[B]

My platform has grown in a variety of different ways and I talk about body image and healing from disordered eating and loving yourself. And I now post about my husband and my life. But I always feel like I want to keep this really healthy dose of reality. I never use filters, I never use Facetune or Photoshop. I definitely did back in the day. So I like empathize with people who feel the need to edit their photos. But yeah, my journey kind of started on the Internet in the athlete niche and has since evolved. And I feel grateful to kind of get to touch everything and always make sure that it's coming with a big dollop of realness.

[A]

Yeah, I. You're one of those people that I just wish I had known or if social media was a thing when I was growing up, I was able to follow you. And that's how I feel also about Spencer Barbos, a good friend of mine. Because you know, I was always a curvy girl. I was always like, when we moved and I was 11, I had boobs and I was a new kid at school and I had a big butt. And so the boys came up to me and told me that I walked like a duck. Like I was pushing my chest out and my butt out. And I remember being so sad cuz I was like it was the complete opposite. I was so embarrassed to have curves that I didn't want to accentuate them. And so I remember eating lunch in the bathroom stall. But then the next day my mom was like, what are you wearing? Cause I layered three camisoles under my T shirt to try to flatten out my boobs. Cause I didn't have women like you to look up to. It was everyone looked the same. And that made me feel so much shame in the way that I looked at such a young age. Like I think about my daughter and I'm like, oh my God, if you were 11, feeling that way would devastate me. So I just think what you're doing and the way that you're using your platform is helping so many women. You should be so proud of that. Thank you.

[B]

I appreciate that. And what was that about your story? Story is like you're just a kid who was growing and your body was changing and then you were being like made to feel insecure about something that's completely out of your control and that you probably hadn't even had thought about until someone said something. And I find that that's so common is everyone can track back that first comment and it might have even been a compliment that made them aware of their body and how it looked. And that's why I'm huge on just like not commenting on my friends bodies. Even if, I mean, I will pride myself on a friend dropping 30 pounds in front of my eyes or gaining 30 pounds in front of my eyes, and you won't hear it peep from me. I'm like, I'm looking at your eyes, like, because you never know if they're the. The way they're even. Losing weight is healthy. You could be glorifying or celebrating, like budding eating disorder. Or you could be validating that you never thought they looked right. Like, I just don't want to touch it.

[A]

Yeah. What you said about not realizing until someone mentioned it, that's literally why I wanted a nose job my whole life, which I ended up getting, which was something that I was. I still feel very happy with that decision. But I was at volleyball camp and I think I was a junior in high school, and I. I never knew that I had my mom's like, Italian bump, bump on my nose. Like, I never noticed that my mom, I always thought she was so beautiful. She is so beautiful. My sister has the same nose. And I was. My head was turned to the side and kind of down. And a girl on my team was like, you have kind of a big bump on your nose. And I was like, oh, do I? And I went to the bathroom and I turned my head to the side to look, and I was like, oh, I do have a bump on my nose. And that was the first time I ever realized that other women have, like, that perfect little swoop. And I was like, oh, I don't have that. And then, you know, 15 years later, I was like, I'm gonna get a nose job. Because it was. It's still stuck with me. Gosh. Which was crazy because I was a teenager.

[B]

Yeah. And like, you know, whatever. It is so hard to be woman.

[A]

It's so.

[B]

It is so hard to, like, like, not even love your appearance, but just like it and tolerate it with all the mixed messaging we get. So as much as I am, like, want people to love themselves, I also, like, want women to be happy and whatever you have to do to feel that way. My mom just came on my podcast, RealPod, and talked about she got a lower facelift, period. And I was like. And I was so pumped that she wanted to talk about that because everyone is always like, oh, your mom looks amazing. And my whole thing's not like, I'm not ashamed my mom did that. I'm like, if you do it, tell people. When people say you look so good, like, tell them what you did so that women don't feel insecure. But also, like, if my friends wanted to get a nose job or they get Botox, like, it's. It's not my business, but I think that at least we could focus on transparency for women so that you're not like, buying a six week bum bum boot camp to get the butt of this influencer who has a bbl.

[A]

Yeah. Okay, so I love that you brought this up because this was something I want to talk to you about. So I have been so open about every procedure I've ever done to the point where I've like, even recorded some of them and post them to social media. And the way that people, years later still hold it against me. Like, they judge me so much for it. And because you did it. Because I shared it. And so they. They hold it against me. But what I find funny is when you look at these massive celebrities that have obviously had so much work done and they don't talk about it, no one really says anything. So I'm like, which one do you want? Do you want me to not say the truth and show up on camera after having work done, or do you want me to be honest with you and then you're gonna hold it against me? Like, it's kind of a loose holding.

[B]

Against you being honest and like, filming it?

[A]

So I'll give you a backstory. After I had my daughter, I think I was a year and a half postpartum, I got lower stomach lipo. And this was at the med spa that I worked at. I filmed the entire thing.

[B]

I.

[A]

Because I did it awake. And I still probably. This is probably, like, I would say after I got out of the procedure until now, I've probably lost another maybe 20 to 30 pounds of baby weight naturally. I never did. Like, I've talked about how I tried Ozempic last June and it made me so sick. I was like, I can't. I can't do. But I always talk about that like, I'm never gonna be called a liar. I would rather people judge me or be mean, but knowing I'm telling the truth, I'm not withholding any information. So that was in 2022. So it's been about three years. And I would say it wasn't until the last year or so that I made a very big lifestyle change where I discovered Pilates because I had two C sections and I had no abdominal strength, and I started eating a very high protein diet. And everyone knows I love food and I'll do my chili's mukbangs or neat crumble, but I just taught myself everything in moderation because in high school, I did struggle with bulimia. There was a chunk of time where I had an eating disorder. And I truly believe that when you restrict yourself from something, you. Your body will almost act like it's in starvation. And like, for me, it will encourage me to binge. So I learned to really balance my diet. But I also work out really hard Monday through Friday, and I would say maybe six to eight months ago, I made a video talking about my journey in Pilates and how much it's changed me. And all the comments were like, this is so dishonest because you had lipo. And I. I was trying to explain, like, responding to them. Yes, I did. And I've never lied about that. That was something that I recorded. I literally had an Instagram highlight all about the procedure, but also I was trying to explain that that was three years ago. And if you look at my body post lipo when they're just sucking fat out and you're not living a healthy lifestyle, you don't have muscle tone. There's a way to make a lifestyle difference. And I have since change my body and my lifestyle in a very slow but steady way. And so I think it's really interesting when I share, like, workouts that work for me or things that I make that have helped in my diet, they hold that procedure from three years ago against me.

[B]

I mean, those people, like, they just need to, like, literally be busier. Like, please, like, be busier. Yeah, Be too busy, like, commenting on Avery Wood's post reminding her of a procedure that, you know, that she got. I didn't even know you got, like, three years ago. Like, literally be busier. It's like, that is just. You're never going to win. Like, there's just people like that online.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

I'm so many thoughts coming from this first. I'm so sorry you struck with bulimia. I once did attempt that in my dark days. I have a fear of throwing up. So, like, thank God that. That, like, limited me from.

[A]

Yeah. You know, I forget the term of that.

[B]

Purging?

[A]

No, the fear of throwing up. Oh, there's like a metaphor.

[B]

Is there a term? Yeah, I mean, I don't have, like, a true phobia, but I. I really. I don't like it. Like, even if I, like, have something bad in my stomach, I'd ra. Like. And I know I'm gonna get food poisoning. Like, it's very hard for me. I don't like it. Yeah, it's not supposed to go that way for me.

[A]

Yeah, I got you.

[B]

But I had a binge eating disorder, so I would just, like, really restrict, and then the yo yo would go the other way.

[A]

I was the same. It was bad.

[B]

But then secondly, I was gonna say, I'm so glad that we didn't lose you to a GLP1. Like, seriously, like, I just feel like.

[A]

Scott can attest to it was bad. Like, I think I did what, three injections? Two. Dude, it was coming out liquid lava.

[B]

Oh, my God. I just.

[A]

Both ways. I was the double ended dragon, and I said, you know what's not worth it? Being skinny.

[B]

Well, and, like, I. I feel like you're someone who. It's just nice to feel like you see girls who, like, remind you of yourself or, like, you.

[A]

You.

[B]

You can replicate their style, and you feel like you're like, I love Florence Pugh. Like, she. She's, like, obsessed with, like, you know what I mean? It's like, I want to be cognizant of how I said I don't comment on bodies, but in general, when you lose people to the desire of being just uber, uber thin, it sucks because it just feels like there's less and less people. When you see, like, your favorite creator, suddenly, like, I'm like, yeah, but you were so beautiful.

[A]

Yeah. And it's. I get what you're saying about Florence, because she and I. I. I won't even say that she's curvy. She's just a beautiful woman, and she has a rel body. And I feel like my entire life, I've struggled so much with my body image. And it wasn't until after I had kids that I really gained so much confidence and appreciation for my body because I saw what it was able to go through. But also, I'm so honest with my audience because I'm not gonna come on and be like, yeah, I have a whole new nose on my face and not talk about it. You know, like. Or same with when I got a boob lift. Yeah, my boobs were touching my kn. After breastfeeding. And, like, that was something that I was so happy to get done because it really helped my confidence. But, like, I shared the entire process, so it's so interesting because a lot of especially celebrities don't talk about what they're doing or the work that they've had done. I actually love that Kris Jenner talked about her facelift.

[B]

I was just thinking too, I loved when Kylie posted her exact boob job.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

Please. It's. It's so, like, for the girls, we.

[A]

Need more of that.

[B]

Like, yes. Just talking about it. And. And I think whenever I decide if I give Botox one day, like, I definitely similarly want to talk about it because if I pride myself on women to talk about it, I need to, like, you know, walk the walk as well. However, I have thought about how it's not going to land for everyone because some people who follow me will be like, not happy about that or maybe say, oh, you didn't need it, or this is making me insecure because mine, my crow's feet are worse than yours or whatever it is. But to your point, like, I think transparency and like, being truthful is, is more important. And unfortunately, you just can't. You're not going to win everyone over.

[A]

No. And at the end of the day, I always tell myself, like, at least I'm being honest. Like, I'm not hiding. There's nothing that's going to, like, come out where someone's like, Avery was in our office getting this procedure. I'm like, girl, I vlogged it. Like, you can't say shit about it. Yeah, but I. I literally just did a solo podcast episode talking about my quote, glow up, and how as soon as I stopped doing as much as I was doing, I feel like I was the best version of myself, both, both physically and mentally. Cuz I truly believe that less is more. And if it helps your confidence, that's incredible. But like, a year ago, my face was full of filler. And now that it's all dissolved and gone, everyone's like, you've literally never looked better. Like, my teeth actually show and I smile. I had so much filler in my lip. I was like, everyone around me, you're all fired for not telling me it looked like a bee attacked me.

[B]

It's so hard to, like, you know, when someone is really looking in the mirror and seeing one thing, it's hard to, like, convince them or tell them that they're beautiful. And I think just this whole conversation is like, just exemplifies how much pressure and attention like, women feel to put on their appearance. And also, I'll just see scrolling. It's like, I want to, like, shake people and remind them there's so much more to life than, like, the size of your jeans, how your face looks like, are there things I could think about changing about my face? Sure. But, like, I just think it's a rabbit hole. And if you start to go down, it's like Alice in Wonderland. Like, you're going to fall, and then you're going to be, you know, believing and getting brainwashed. And I would just. I love to see for women, the conversation be moved to, like, what you're accomplishing, the friends that you keep in your life, like, the relationships you build, how you show up for women. I saw this thing the other day about how even when you meet, like, two toddlers and one's a girl and one's a boy, you say to the girl, you're so cute. Look at your little piggy tails. She's adorable. She's gonna be so pretty. And the boy, it's like, do you like sports? Do you like to run fast? You're gonna build this. It's like, from such a young age, women are like a currency for me, is how I look.

[A]

Yeah, totally.

[B]

And so I think, especially when I was healing from my body image issues, you know, I don't weigh myself anymore. Sometimes I'll barely even look in the mirror if I know it's one of those days. But I had to really take a break from photos, delete my facetune, and do some healing to then kind of come back into my life and not be triggered by how I look in this group picture or leave an event and have not gotten a photo, that's something that also, like, on the one hand, I'm like, yes, slay. If I walk down the street and I see two girls taking pics, I will always holler a compliment. Like, you look incredible, you know, because it's so fun.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But if it gets to the point where you are, like, actually upset and you're sitting at the dinner not able to focus because you didn't get your pick yet and the sun's setting, like, I think that's we've reached a different place.

[A]

Like, that's totally this industry, too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. It's actually insane.

[B]

And it sucks. If you love your outfit and you spend a lot time getting ready and you wanted a picture, like, I get it. But I do think, yeah, we need to recognize what's coming up. Touch grass, look at your friend, taste a bite of sushi and be like, this is the moment. I am experiencing this night, and I'm not going to throw it away by leaving the restaurant a third time to get picks. Like, I don't force it if it's.

[A]

Not going to happen. Yeah. And like I was saying, I feel like I found my confidence as a woman and in my body after kids. I. I also felt like once I really made it in this industry, my insecurities all came back because I do all my own editing. So I'm like constantly looking at my face and you just compare yourself and then you see these comments that are tearing down. The way you look, the way you talk, the pitch of your voice, how your body looks, the type of parent you are, the type of person you are. And then I got to a point earlier this year where I just stopped looking at every comment.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like, what's the point? Like, I'm posting stuff that just genuinely makes me happy. And if they want to judge me and who I am as a person for seeing less than three minutes of my day, then that speaks so much more about them than myself. But the only thing I can do is not subject myself to see that. Yeah. And that changed my life. Like, truly changed my life.

[B]

You're like, wait, why am I going to look at my DMs right now at 11 o'? Clock?

[A]

No. And same with the amount I am online. Like I, and I get it, like I'm going to do a social media episode and talk about this, but like, when you're in the grind and growing, you don't have a second off. Like, I was posting three to five TikToks a day for two years straight, not a day off. On top of working full time as a nurse. And now I'm at the point where I've grown so much that I was like, okay, maybe I can take a little bit of a step back. And I'm like, wow, I feel like I've missed so much life. Like what you were talking about, enjoying the dinner, living in the moment, not being on your phone, not worrying about taking a photo, going on a date with my husband and not having to take an outfit video for TikTok.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's so refreshing.

[B]

Yeah. Well, the way that you describe it, like, if someone's actively building a brand, I very much understand, like the event you're at is being talked about. You want like, totally, like, strategy wise. I think if someone's like, no, I need to get this picture because this is my job and this is vital to the brand. Like, I think that's different. I was more talking about when someone, like, it's, it's because you need the validation of people then to comment, you look amazing. And like when it's not for, like, true intentions that are aligned with, like, where you're headed.

[A]

Well, Benny and Selena were on Jay Shetty's podcast, and that was exactly what Benny said was he was like. They were talking about how Selena turns her comments off, and Benny was like, there's two reasons you read. There's two reasons to read comments. One is to fluff your ego, or two is to soak in the misery of all the negative shit people. Why do you need either one of those?

[B]

And I loved that Phineas, Billy's Billie, Eilish's brother, tweeted something once that I'll never forget, and it said, to believe the good reviews is to believe the bad. So if you get high with the highs, you will get low with the lows. So you just have to truly be numb to it all and only seek the encouragement, like, from your actual circle. Because that's, like, healthy. Because also, when your actual circle criticizes you, you might listen because, like, you respect them and so you care about what they have to say. But, yeah, it's true. If you're going to look for good, bad will also bring you down. You just. You can't have both. Yeah, I will say sometimes I go look like, I posted a video today of my husband and I doing a Taylor Swift video in the car. And, like, I am looking sometimes to be like, we're laughing along. Like, you know, and you strike me as someone, too. Like, you love your community, especially the ones that, like, get it, and you want to, like, Josh with them and giggle with them, and it sucks that they. That gets taken away because of the, like, the trolls on the Internet.

[A]

That's what I was. I was talking about this before, where as much as it protects my peace, my mental health, it does make me sad because I feel like I've grown this incredible bond with my followers that have been with me for some of them almost a decade now, which is crazy. And I miss that relationship. But also those people that love and support you understand, and they're like, no, girl. Like, take your break. Find your peace. Like, we'll always be here. Which I'm so grateful for that.

[B]

Do you have a broadcast channel?

[A]

What the heck is a broadcast channel?

[B]

Oh, my gosh, Avery, let's go shoot your life. Okay, I'm gonna tell you. I can tell you more about it after, but it's like, it's a thing on Instagram and you have a separate channel. It's like an open dm. So picture it like a big group chat and people join it intentionally And I love it. So mine's called the VGB VIPs. And so I call them VIPs. We have, like, special emojis. And so if they DM me or comment using the emoji, I'll know that they're, like, in my crew. And I feel super safe in there. Like, I send them stuff, I send voice notes. And to me, it's like a safe little corner of the Internet where I know the people in the chat are like, really my people. And you can, like, you could remove someone. Like, if they say something you don't like, you could remove them. So I think you might love that because you can have a fun place to, like, get what you want out of, like, the core community and protect yourself from, like, anyone who could comment on a vlog.

[A]

Wait, I love that.

[B]

So I'll show you after.

[A]

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[B]

Yes.

[A]

How did that opportunity come your way?

[B]

Yeah, so I was sitting in a Wednesday night lecture and I saw an email come through that I'm pretty sure the subject line said something like, once in a lifetime opportunity. TEDx, USC and TED Talks does, like, TEDx events at various universities, different communities, and, like, if anyone wants to deliver one one day, they should look into, like, their local TEDX opportunities. And so I was like, oh, my gosh, this is insane. I've always known about ted talks and TEDx talks, but I never knew, like, what I would give one about or I didn't feel called. But in that moment, I was like, I know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about athlete mental health issues. Because I had so many notes in my phone. I was keeping a diary at school. School, just jotting down my days and my experience and feeling like there was this big mental health crisis in collegiate athletics that no one was talking about. So I just, like, that night in class, started typing, sent my application in, you know, then I got called in for, like, three rounds of interviews where you explain your concept. You know, they judge, like, can you talk? What's her stage presence? Like, is she passionate about this? Fun fact is, I actually got dropped before the final round. I got an email that was like, we regret to inform you. You know, and then you stop reading and your heart drops.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I will say my mindset in the moment was like, well, what did I think I was gonna give a TEDX talk. Okay, we're off to the party tonight. Like, you know, I didn't really know if I was going to get it, but I was, of course, bummed because I truly believed, like, this is a story. This was 2017. There was no, like, athlete mental health conversation whatsoever. But then it was like, the next day or two, the president of the committee had, like, called me and was like, okay, here's the deal. I still really want to push this through. Like, we're kind of divided on you. I've convinced them to bring you back one more time. I'm like, oh, my God, this girl. You're the goat. I'm like, thank you. Shout out, Winnie, wherever you are. And so they called me back even after they had, like, dropped me. And I went that night to, like, a special impromptu meeting that they had. You Know, for this candidate they were divided on, and I truly believe I, like, scared them into it because I was so driven. And I looked at them and I was like, I don't. I said, look, I don't know who you're interviewing. I don't know what they're gonna talk to you about, but I promise you, like, this, this conversation and what it means to me, like, is everything. And I just know the world needs this. And I kind of put my heart on the line. And then they ended up choosing me. And not saying this to gloat, but saying this to kind of show the full circle. That TEDx talk went on to be the most viewed out of USC's TEDx's ever.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And it almost didn'. So, like, for people out there who might be getting a no. If you and your heart just know, like, that it's true, it's meaningful, it's worth it. Like, don't let anyone rejecting you hold you back from that. You mentioned Kris Jenner earlier, but I love her iconic. If you get a no, you're just talking to the wrong person.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

And so, yeah, that changed my entire life, delivering that TEDx talk.

[A]

That's amazing. Yeah. I feel like a lot of this industry is advocating for yourself, even if it's uncomfortable, but it pays off tenfold. That's amazing. So from there, were you just growing and growing on social media until you graduated college?

[B]

Um, kind of. That came out and it was doing really well in the athletic community. And more people were coming to my Instagram, which was kind of a hodgepodge of nothingness at the time. And then I had seen a friend of mine who was vlogging her athlete life at usc. And I thought, oh, I can vlog. Like, I'm. I know how to edit videos. Like, I used to make a music video with my friend back in the day. Um, so I started vlogging, and I was doing Day in the Life of a USC volleyball Player because people were so fascinated by this, you know, 15 minute TEDx talk. I was like, I have so much more I can share. So that's how it started. Um, and then right out of school, I went into the public speaking circuit. So people wanted kind of me to bring this message of mental health to their campus. So I was traveling all around the country and speaking, which was so rewarding and special and so exhausting and tiresome and also just like, with such a deep topic, like, before I would speak or give a keynote, I was like, okay, remember how it felt like you Just got out of class, like, you're depressed. And I'm like, oh, my God, this is crazy that I'm like putting myself back into this terrible mindset to relate to my audience. And then the pandemic hit and my last two speaking engagements had to be rescheduled and I was like, what's this TikTok thing? So I got on TikTok to pass time because I was already creating content. And then that just kept snowballing. And I would say my career has been a very steady growth for, like, I don't know, what has it been, 8ish years?

[A]

That's exactly how mine was.

[B]

You know, I was not like an overnight person.

[A]

No.

[B]

You know, in any of the ways which I'm grateful for. I feel like I've been in this for a very long time, which I think, you know, I don't envy people who it happens to overnight. I think that can be really overwhelming.

[A]

And also I feel like you have that loyal audience behind you rather than the quick growth. It's quick to burn out. And also, like, almost like a one hit wonder type deal.

[B]

I've never thought about that.

[A]

Yeah, but if you. I think that's why a lot of people stop posting, is because they don't see the numbers pay off and they expect to like, blow up overnight. But I'm, I tell people all the time, I'm like, girl, if you went back to my old videos, like where I got a hundred likes and I was still strutting my in my Amazon haul, I say, hey, but it just takes time and also consistency. Yeah. You know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you graduated and you studied broadcast journalism.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then what'd you do after college?

[B]

I went right into public speaking. So I remember I had booked out a full year of speaking and I remember literally talking to my parents and being like, so this speaking circuit that I'm booked to make, booked to do, is going to equate to more than probably my starting salary as a journalist. I want to pursue this. And actually, I don't remember being at that big of a deal because I literally was like, here's all the engagements, here's all the contracts. Here's what I'm gonna make. Like, you know, this is a legitimate job. And then. Yeah, and then I started to slowly pick up, you know, my first brand deal and then monetize social media. And then I had done like 50 episodes of my podcast, Real Pod, fully myself, recorded, edited, brought my laptop to a person's house and interviewed them on my YETI from Amazon.

[A]

And then I started with a yeti.

[B]

Yeah, who doesn't? And then 50 episodes in, I got signed to Dear Media and started monetizing. So yeah, slowly just like building up the revenue streams. And I feel really grateful that every year Knock on Wood has continued to be more successful than the previous. So I feel super blessed and now at a place in my business. Where to what you said, like, you know, I've been able to pump the brakes a little bit and enjoy and I definitely think I've exited my really intense hustle area. I was talking about this with my sister in law last night. When you start your career, you hustle because you have to. And then you get to hustle because you want to.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Because you're just driven and ambitious and you just want to achieve great things. And that hustle's so much different because it allows moments for the in between. So I think this past year for me has been like working smarter, not harder, making sure my yeses are really intentional, not burning myself out. And I feel really grateful.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. And also being able to pick and choose feels like such a privilege for me of what I'm able to share in my life or what I'm choosing to share. Because before I felt pressure to share everything because I was growing exponentially and also was providing for my family. And there's a lot of pressure that comes with that, especially as a woman, you know. And so when I got to a point where I was like, wait, I don't have to share this anymore. I can take a step back and keep these moments for myself and my family, which was. Felt like such a huge payoff for me. And. Yeah. So cheers to us.

[B]

Yeah, cheers to that enjoyable area of life.

[A]

Definitely.

[B]

And it's healthy to have a little bit of those boundaries. Similar to you, I like to tell my audience that they're in it with me and if I'm not having a good week, like, they'll know. I can't always say why exactly. I'm not having a good week. But I'll still post the picture of the sky that says been a tougher day. Like if you're feeling this, so am I. Because I never want to post a happy video or a happy picture when it's not that I'll even have times where if I'm out to dinner with friends, but I felt lonely that night or if I'm with my family, but we got in a family fight, Like, I'm not going to drop a photo dump and be like, best family vacation Like, I want to be. I just want to be cautious of not contributing to the. Everything looks picture perfect, but my life isn't. But it is hard when you can't, you know, always talk about every single thing.

[A]

Totally. How did you and your husband meet?

[B]

We met in college. He played football at sc, so we met in like the athlete world. Tomorrow's our three year anniversary. Thank you. You're so cute. I love the class.

[A]

I know. Scotty's like, yeah, I know.

[B]

And then we've been together, full of hickeys, teeth. We gotta get him on the mic. Forget about me. But we've been together for nine years. Wow.

[A]

Long time.

[B]

Yeah. I was single my freshman year of college. I will. That is my claim to fame. I did have my time.

[A]

You're like, I was crazy.

[B]

Yeah, no, I. I had a roster, you know, I did enough to commit nine years ago and feel very confident in my choice and not like there's any. I think it's true. Like, I could never go from relationship to relationship personally. Like, I wanted to just make sure I had one single year. And then when I was ready, I was like, hi, I'm ready.

[A]

Yeah. And did you meet at a party?

[B]

We met my very first night on campus. It was the month before school started and it's just the athletes. It's a fun time at se. And I met a lot of people that night. Like, I wasn't like, drunk, but, you know, our older teammates were kind of parading us around and you're just taking it all in. And he's like, yeah, I met you that night. And I'm like, oh, okay. Of course I didn't remember. But then we started to be friends and I would see him at things and I could tell he had a big crush on me. You know, he'd come right over, ask me what I wanted to drink. Like, asked me for my number, texted me, hey, it's Max, you know, And I was like, oh, this guy is like, so fun and cute, but he was giving husband material. I think a lot of people will say, a girl gives wifey. Max was giving hubby, but I didn't want that yet. Like, he was the perfect guy. And I was just like, it's simply like, I don't care who you are, I don't want a boyfriend right now. So I kind of friend zoned him. He'll say that too. And then it was that next summer and I was at this party and I was talking to a mutual guy friend and the guy was like, oh. And you know, Max Brown, right? And I was like, yeah. Like, you know, because we had kissed once or twice, and he was like, ah, yeah, Max Brown. Just a great guy. And I swear, it's like he looked off into the distance. The sun from the heavens was shining on him. I'm holding my solo cup, and this guy's like, you know, he's always there for everyone. He works harder than anyone in the locker room. And I'm like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. And then I'm like, what have I done? I'm like, he's the perfect guy. Like, how have I not been, like, paying attention to what's right in front of me? And so then I kind of had to pursue him because I was worried that he. He wasn't gonna shoot his shot again. Like, it had been a year.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I sent him like a Snapchat and I was like, hey, what up? You know, and he was like, hi. And then I remember asking him, you know, what he was up to, and he said, I'm watching the O.J. simpson documentary. How about you? Remember when that came out?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And I was like, you are? So am I. What episode? And he was like, oh, I'm on episode three. And I was like, I just finished episode three. Just to give him the alley. Invite me over to Netflix and chill for episode four, period. Which he did. So I kind of walked him right into that. And then we kissed that night. And I haven't kissed anyone else since.

[A]

Wade. That's really cute. I love that. What did he study in college?

[B]

Max? Not me not knowing because he has three frickin degrees. No, he has an undergrad from usc, a master's. He has an MBA from sc and then he has an MBA from Pitt because he did a red shirt football year. So he has three degrees. I think the undergrad was calm. I don't know. By the third one, you just lose sight of it.

[A]

Okay, educated king.

[B]

He is an educated king.

[A]

What does he do now?

[B]

He is a sports broadcaster. So girlies, tune in to ACC football this season via espn. He will be calling their games.

[A]

Wait, period. Yeah. That's iconic.

[B]

I know. It is iconic.

[A]

That's fun.

[B]

Last year was his first season. He did a full slate of games for the cw. This year will be with espn. So super excited for him. Yeah, I love. I love football now when my husband calls the games.

[A]

Yep. Do you guys want to start a family?

[B]

We do. And I have so many questions to ask you about this.

[A]

I'm like, anyone that has kids or babies. I'm like, here's my number. Like, FaceTime me when your baby's hard, because I love babies.

[B]

Perfect. Okay. Especially when I have you on real pod and we're gonna have. I have so many questions.

[A]

Oh, please.

[B]

I. Yes, we do. I think it's always, like, when's the right time? I feel like in a year from now, I would be shocked if I wasn't really having baby fever, But I don't have it at this moment, so you never know when it can hit you. I will say, though, a hundred percent, I've already, like, chatgpt what our conception window must be, because I am not delivering a baby in the fall when he's gone every single weekend for four months. That sounds. Sounds crazy. So I must be delivering between January and July.

[A]

Okay. Perfect. Yeah, it's. I always tell people, too, that there's never going to be a perfect time to have kids, because obviously it's a huge change in your life, but the key is just to bring your kids into your already existing life, and they adjust, and it's such a joy. Like, I. I feel like everyone always told me, you know, having a mom, you. Or becoming a mom, you lose yourself. And I feel like it wasn't until I became a mom that I really found myself. And it's. That was. We should quote. We should, like, no, copyright that that was.

[B]

Put that on a book.

[A]

Hang it.

[B]

But it's.

[A]

It's so true. Like, I always wanted to be a mom my whole life, and I had kids far before I was ever ready to, But I also feel like I've grown up with my kids, and I also feel like age is nothing but a number. Like, especially nowadays with. With how science and medicine is. Like, don't ever feel pressured for your age either, because I know a lot of my friends that are approaching 30, and they're like, I'm getting too old. I'm like, no, no, no. You can have kids well into your 40s, and you're fine. Like, enjoy your life. Enjoy your marriage. Like, you'll only have this time once, and then it'll be perfect.

[B]

And I feel grateful. We've had, you know, three, at least three, possibly more years just married without kids. I think for us, both of Max and I, our biggest thing is, like, we just love our lives. We love our friends, we love our jobs, we love our late nights and, like, the fear of, obviously, the responsibility of, like, you're never just gonna, like, sit on the couch and play on your phone and not have a Part of you, like, mentally with these other little beings is what I imagine.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

You know, sometimes I'll be like, doing nothing. My face mask. A hot shower and everything. Shower. And being like, could I do this if I had a kid in the other room? I don't know.

[A]

Can I? You will, you will. You'll just. You'll just find balance. And also just like, bouncing off each other. Or like, when my kids go down, I'm like, okay, this is my time. I can have a glass of wine if I want one. I can take a bubble bath and do my everything chart. But also, my kids are now four and six. And they're at the age, too, where, like, they can go play in their rooms or the playroom or outside and they're not gonna bug you. Like, you have those huge years where it's really hard because they need you every five seconds. But now I'm in the stage where I'm like, fuck, I miss that so much. Like, David and I look at photos and we're like, like, David's background, he has it where it changes every single day. And it's only pictures of the kids. And I'll be like, Stevie at 6 months old or Ziggy at 2. And we're like, oh, my God. But during that phase of life, we were like, we are so tired. We just want to take a nap. But now it's only been a couple years and we'll never get that back.

[B]

That's so true. That they will grow out of that. I. I don't know why I thought you had three. Do you want more?

[A]

Technically, we have four, but I only birthed two of them.

[B]

Okay, okay.

[A]

So our oldest two are 15 and 13. They're very independent. Like, they're basically grown adults now. But I will say the other thing too that's kind of hitting me is this will be our first year where all four kids are in school full time. I've never had that. So we also have, like, we don't have a nanny. We don't even have a date night babysitter. Like, our family is so sweet. Or like, Scotty will come watch the kids while we go on a date. But, like, we don't have help. It's just us. And we feel so fortunate to have that time with them. But also, starting end of August, you know, our two littles, like, Stevie's going to full time preschool. She's never been in full time school. Ziggy was in kindergarten last year, but now I'm like, Monday through Friday from like, 8 to 3, you're like, I miss her. I'm like, what's going on? Like, I can go grocery shopping and my cart doesn't have a kid in it, you know? But it's so nice when you get to that stage of life because you're like. Like, wow, I feel like I'm getting a little bit of myself back.

[B]

Yeah. And the true part about this is because Max and I talk about this as well, is like, yes, there's something to be said about the longer you wait, but also, the sooner you have, the younger you are when they're independent and you still have, like, gusto to, like, live your life in vacation.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean? So, like, there's. Yeah. Luxury in that as well.

[A]

Yeah. But also, even though we're excited because we're like, wow, we're gonna have a little bit of. Of ourselves back when they go to school. You also kind of mourn when they're home all the time, because it's kind of sad. But the other thing, too, is we can have so much fun as a family, because now it's like, they're easier to travel with, and you're going on all these vacations. And that's one thing I will say as, like, a recommendation to you. Take your kids everywhere if you can, because they'll get so accustomed to traveling and stuff, especially for your guys's jobs, because you guys travel, and then they'll be.

[B]

Yeah, that's something I haven't thought about too, is like, even if our kids are young, like, it would be fun to, like, all go to daddy's football game and, like, let's go. And you can see him on TV and we can all get dinner after. And, like, I feel grateful that with my job and he calls games on the weekends, like, we could travel with him on the weekends, you know?

[A]

Totally.

[B]

So, yeah, I'm getting less and less scared. It's crazy to be at a place where I think a year ago I had a pregnancy scare. My period didn't come, and I called my mom in a panic and said, please come over with a pregnancy test. And I remember freaking out, being like, like, I cannot believe I up this hard. I'm not ready to have a kid. Like, you know, and then I wasn't, and I was like. But now I'm like, if that happened, I'd kind of be like, whatever the universe wants.

[A]

Like, well, I'm not really mad. I can't do anything about it now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What position did you play in volleyball?

[B]

Guests.

[A]

So, I mean, you have platform shoes on. I don't think you were front row. Were you libero?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Were you?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, period.

[B]

No one's ever really guessed that because they don't know volleyball well enough to know that I'm actually short for D1.

[A]

Yeah. I was gonna say, like, my middle hitter, even in high school was 6:3. She wouldn't play to Kentucky, but were we this Emily Franklin.

[B]

Wait, I would. I would just see a picture of her because I played against Kentucky for four years in a row.

[A]

Oh, I'll show you. I'll show you her. Well, I don't know what her married name is now. She has two kids. But when she was at Kentucky, it was Emily Franklin.

[B]

Okay, cool.

[A]

Yeah, but she was my middle hitter, but because I was a setter, also did a little bit.

[B]

I could totally see you just running the court.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Pulling signs like.

[A]

Yeah, loved it. Well, I started playing when I was. Was 10, so it was a long time, but it was like, outdoors and it was, you know, and you have, like, the PE courts before. You can, like, play inside. And then I started doing club. Yeah. Which club is so toxic?

[B]

It can be. There. Have some. There's some crazy stories, for sure.

[A]

Yeah. I remember, like, one of the clubs I played for had, like, money laundering issues. My parents were like, what the.

[B]

Okay, so you.

[A]

It was Ozark. How old were you when you started playing?

[B]

I started playing in middle school, just during pe.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And then eighth grade was when I joined my first club team. Actually started as an outside hitter. Really. And then it was like a really smart coach that was like, if you want to play at, like, you know, the Division one level, you should start transitioning to back row. Like, you see the court really well. You have a good, like, leadership for Arrow. So, yeah, I switched positions. And then my first two years at usc, I was a defensive specialist, so I went in for the outside hitter. And then my junior and senior year.

[A]

I was the libero. Wow. Yeah, I think I was always. I was always really fast, like, in track. I was never a long distance runner, so I think I was just quick on my feet. And so that's why I always gravitated towards being, like, setting or being a little better.

[B]

I did not have good hands. Like, I. Even when I was a libero and I had to take the second ball, I would always take it with my platform. And if I ever went up with my hands, I felt like everyone in me were just like, well, it's a.

[A]

Lot of pressure, too. Yeah, yeah. Cause you're like, don't it up.

[B]

And it's like, usually the setter, if they do dig the ball, they'll dig it so high to give everyone a chance to reset. Thinking about it, thinking about it, thinking about it. Platform. Yeah.

[A]

So you played volleyball. Obviously, your husband played football. What do you think you're gonna do with your kids? Like, is this gonna be a big one, big happy sports fam, or are you just gonna let them choose?

[B]

My mom always jokes that, like, we're gonna have, like, four or five. We're gonna have a football team, and there's gonna be mud all over the entryway, and, like, people are just gonna be monkeys on the wall, which I.

[A]

I can kind of see of imagine you having, like, four boys that are, like, monsters.

[B]

Avery, if I don't get a girl, I will. No, I can't. I think we for sure want at least three. Max comes from four. I come from three. But I think we will hope that they're athletic and we love sports so much. I definitely want my kids to feel supported in anything that they love. If they love to color, if they love the Rubik's Cube, like, I'm gonna support that and hype them up, and we'll all be there at the rubber cube competitions. But I. I don't know. I think the football thing is the conversation more to be had because of all the, you know, possible brain injuries and the injuries in the sport. I don't have a totally strong feeling yet. I'm like, I'll cross that bridge when we get there and we see where the game's at. I mean, rules can change. Who knows? Also, if it's, like, Max's dream to have him, his son, try to play football, I don't know if I'm going.

[A]

To keep them from it. I don't know.

[B]

So I'll have to see. But, yeah, I mean, hopefully we. They, like, enjoy sports, but if they don't, we'll be at the musical theater performance.

[A]

Yeah, I love it. Yeah. I. I'm always on edge, though, because I come from PICU nursing, and so I always got the kids that were injured in sports, and so I'm so on edge. My husband's like, you need to calm down. I'm like, well, if you saw what I saw, what was, like, the worst thing you saw? Probably not something I can say on here, but I just. I worked in a level one trauma, so I would see, like, freak accidents. Like, I've seen, like, obviously, like, really Bad car wrecks, unfortunately, really bad child abuse. A lot of, like, teenage accidental drug overdoses. So, like, a lot of kids that are buying weed on the streets and then not knowing it's laced with fentanyl.

[B]

No, that for sure. Like, I am just never taking. Take, like, huge on. Never take a pill. Like, I would rather. I want to be super close with my kids where they feel like they're. I don't want them to be afraid of getting in trouble. I want them to be like, I know I can come to mom and dad with anything and, like, talk it through. I feel like that's how my parents were with me. I would tell them, we're going to this house. There's no parent supervision. There's going to be alcohol. But, like, I was a good kid, I was smart, and I told them everything. And, like, I came home when I said I would, and they liked my friend group, you know, I just think honesty is important to keep with your kid. Oh, yeah, because that's when they feel like they can't tell you things. And then they. They think they can make this big choice at 15, and they can't.

[A]

Yeah. We always. We actually already had this conversation with our. Our teens because we were like, look, we even said we would have our lawyer draft up a contract so they know that they legit can't get in trouble. But we always said, like, hey, wait.

[B]

What do you mean?

[A]

So we are gonna have our lawyer draft up a contract for the kids and tell them, hey, we get. You're gonna get invited to parties. You know, our. Our oldest just went to a high school. She's a freshman. And we said, we know what goes on there. Okay? And that was a long time ago. I don't even know what's going on now in these parties, but especially with phones.

[B]

Yeah. One kid takes a video of your kid doing something, could be their whole future.

[A]

Yeah. So I said, look, I know you're gonna want to experiment, especially with drinking alcohol, beer, kegs, whatever you're doing. But I said, you have certain rules. You will call us to pick you up. You're not getting in the. Behind your wheel. You're sure as hell not getting behind someone else in someone else's car where you don't know if they're inebriated or what's going on, how late it is. I said, no matter where you are, you call us, we will pick you up. You're not going to be in trouble. You just need to be honest with us. But we're never going to hold it against you. We're never going to take away privileges unless you're. You're acting, you know, crazy and, like, taking advantage and your grades are slipping. Okay. But we just want them to know that they should never be afraid to call us, to have us come grab them or pick them up wherever they are, no matter what's going on. Because we're never gonna judge them. We take that as them being responsible and open with their parents.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Cause I never had that. I was. My parents were not okay with anything. They were not. They. They didn't have. And I've told my dad this before. Like, I'm very close with him, but, like, they didn't have a welcoming presence that made me feel safe in, like, opening up to them. And so I hid everything I was doing. And I wasn't a bad kid by any means, but, like, of course I'm hanging out with my friends at parties and stuff, and, like, kids are doing cocaine and I was like, what the. Like, I. I literally remember being like, what is that? I was so innocent.

[B]

I remember people doing that too. It's crazy to think how young we were and like that. Yeah, it's like, like, yeah. Yeah. And you hope. And honestly, all this comes back to. I've been thinking about this a lot because there's the whole nature nurture conversation. Your. Your child having a really high sense of self esteem. It. That doesn't mean that your kid thinks they're the prettiest in school. Once again, it's, like, deeper. Your kid knows they're loved, they're supported, they're smart, they're worthy, they deserve respect. And, like, don't feel the need to be peer pressured. Don't feel like they have to do what the cool kids do. I always knew my friends were. Would still like me if I didn't drink or I. I was like the last one to drink. And I think if you can really foster high self esteem, your child would be more empowered to make, like, the right choice and not the choice that everyone else around them is making.

[A]

Yeah. Well, I'm excited for you to be a mom because you guys are gonna be great parents. Just even talking to you about it, it's important to have that mindset. Cause I feel like a lot of people are like, my kid will be this. They'll do this.

[B]

You just.

[A]

It's out of your hands. Like, even I remember being pregnant with Ziggy and, like, making all these plans for him, but he came out and he's his own person.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I love watching him discover himself in his own journey.

[B]

You know, it's so funny you say that, because Max and I were just talking about how we don't ever understand how parents could fall so into Keeping up with the Joneses that they don't put their child first. This is silly, but did you watch Ginny and Georgia obsessed with that show. Obsessed. I just binged the whole thing this year.

[A]

So. Good.

[B]

But the fact that I forget the name of the sweet blonde mom across the street. The fact that your kid, she was in Schitt's Creek.

[A]

Yeah, she.

[B]

He's depressed.

[A]

Marcus's mom.

[B]

Yeah. Marcus is very depressed. Really needs help. He's drinking and she's so, like, he can't be held back. He can't miss school. I will never be that way. Like, I think I like the. The fact that you could ignore a kid's like, well being because you want them to, like, go to school with their class. Like, yes, they're gonna have more hardships if they have to go to a rehab or get. But like, health of child should always come first.

[A]

Like, so the rest of their life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, if you continue on that journey, what's the rest of their life look like? Whereas if you deal with this now head on.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And are open with them right then.

[B]

And the reason they don't. I. I guess maybe also. I'm so glad we're talking about a fictional character. I would never, like, judge a true mother. Oh, my God, I wouldn't. The fictional character, though, is very much like, I want him to do what everyone's doing so he doesn't have more problems. But it's like, girl, this is the big problem.

[A]

Totally. So who I want to ask, who are some people that you fall on social media that are very body positive or you think have good messages that you look to.

[B]

Well, you mentioned Spencer Barbosa. I think she's such a queen. I love that she's like. Also the fact that she's like, young and dude, she.

[A]

I met her in the Hamptons in 2023. I think she was like, 19 then. And I didn't. I didn't know who she was. I hadn't followed her yet. And she came up to me, had the most amazing conversation. I was like, who are you? What's your name? And I looked her up and I said, holy shit. I was like, you are so successful. You're a baby. Yeah, but what I love is that not only is she successful, but she is such a incredible message. She's so emotionally intelligent, mature. I'm just obsessed with her. Yeah, I love her.

[B]

No, she's a doll. And I want to shout out Jamie Karoma, I believe is an amazing body, positive advocate. And then also love my girl, the Birds. Papaya.

[A]

Oh, I love her. Yeah, I followed her forever.

[B]

Sarah Nicolandry. Such a queen. She's so sweet and, like, supportive to everyone and just. Yeah, I love everything she does.

[A]

Also, I was so sad because I missed you at the rare beauty event because I was traveling.

[B]

I had so much. Oh, the second one. Yeah, I missed you at the first one at Nobu. Oh, I was. I had so much fomo, I couldn't make it that night. And. And you know when you just, like, see everything on the online and you're like, yeah, and I love sparkles.

[A]

That's how I was. Because so rare. A couple months ago, sent me this unlabeled package and it had no nothing on it. And I was like, what the fuck is this? And it was their perfume. And when I tell you I've never gone through a perfume so fast, it made me so excited. And so when I missed. When I was out of town for the launch, I was so bummed because I just love them and everything they stand for, and I feel like that's such a great brand too. Alliance and Selena is just such a gem, and she's always so real and down to earth, and I just. I love their message and I love going to their fundraisers and raising money.

[B]

For mental health, and they're amazing. I actually was on a walk with Caitlin this morning, who I know. She told me because she was like, what are you doing today? I was like, I'm going Amy's podcast. And she said, you guys grab your lunch.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Their whole team is just gems.

[A]

The best.

[B]

I once asked, I was like, how do you guys hire? Because, like, I only have one employee, but I'm like, as I grow, I'm like, what's the rare beauty model? Because everyone there is, like, a plus. Down to earth. Smart.

[A]

Yep. Yeah, I know. I got. I got brunch with some of the girls when we first moved, and I was like, it's so nice being here with everyone because I was traveling so much.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When we lived in Arizona. And it's just nice to have, like, a community here, you know? Okay, we're gonna do a quick rapid fire to wrap up. You ready? Ready. We have crazy questions. What's been the highlight of your week so far?

[B]

The highlight of my week so far, the fact that Ms. Taylor Swift announced TS12 and the fact that she's gonna be on Travis's podcast tomorrow.

[A]

I saw that and I. I love it. She's like, oh, my God, I'm on your podcast. She looked fire.

[B]

No, she's so gorgeous. Also, the way that he goes, it's colorful eyes.

[A]

Sweetie, I know you know what I'm talking about. I know.

[B]

Avery's like, I'm not in the lore that day.

[A]

Oh, no. Scotty thinks he's so hot. No, Scotty loves Travis, so. Scotty loves his fashion.

[B]

He is my inspiration for my husband Max. I literally just bought Max. If you, if you check out our anniversary post that's happening tomorrow, you'll see Max's shirt for dinner. It's like a sweater, short sleeve with a collar, V neck. Is that not Travis? Kelsey, do a tee like what David.

[A]

Wore in our family photos the other day. Yay.

[B]

I'm literally like, max, my info for.

[A]

You is Travis Kelsey, I love. Oh, the gq.

[B]

I need to read the whole thing. I saw that today. I'm like, there's so much going on. I need like a full day to take it all in.

[A]

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[B]

Comfort movie or TV show? I love Friends. It's bad.

[A]

I've never seen it. Yeah, I know.

[B]

It's so good. You don't even have to. It's not even, like, daunting. Just put it on in the background for like, a day.

[A]

But then, like, what if I don't know what's going on?

[B]

You know, you'll get to know the characters. Like, it's really.

[A]

I get overwhelmed when there's a lot of seasons of a show.

[B]

It's not that you can literally watch season five, episode three, season two, episode six, like, and you'll pick. You'll pick, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Pick right in. Pick right up.

[A]

It's okay. I got what you're saying. You know, a show I recently Binged that I had never seen because people g. I was so tired of people giving me shit for. It was Sex and the City, and that was one that I was like, my life is complete now.

[B]

You loved it.

[A]

Yeah, it was incredible. Have you seen it?

[B]

I've seen enough to, like, totally get it, but I was not, like, an avid watcher.

[A]

It's incredible. My entire Pinterest is, like, Carrie Bradshaw quotes. It's actually unhealthy.

[B]

And I just love when a show has, like, a really awesome style.

[A]

I love when it's women that are all in their 30s.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because that never happens anymore. Everyone's true, you know, so young. And then you, like, get to your next phase of life and you're like, I Don't relate to those people at all anymore.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I love and I love a Sex and the City is still relatable 25 years later.

[B]

Yeah, it's cool how they're still. I feel like nostalgia. Yeah, he's like, very in.

[A]

And the fashion.

[B]

Loves it. Like Jonas Brothers with Demi Lovato. Recently.

[A]

Oh, I lost my shit when I saw that I paid so much money to go to a Demi Lovato concert when I was like. I think I was like a senior in high school. Yeah. With my friend off my Starbucks paycheck.

[B]

And what's happening with Hannah Montana?

[A]

Oh, they're doing something because my best.

[B]

Friend texts me every day. She's like, so we're going. We're getting tickets. We're getting tickets.

[A]

And I'm like, we have to.

[B]

I want her to announce what it is, is.

[A]

Okay, well, I'll join you. Okay. What's an ideal date night look like for you and your man?

[B]

Oh, honestly, my favorite nights with Max are when we are home and. Sorry, I don't know why I just cued that up and then just goes, when we're home.

[A]

No, that's me. I was a homebody.

[B]

Yeah. When we were home. Maybe a glass of wine. Maybe a little gummy.

[A]

Did you hear that?

[B]

I think that's why. I think that's why I delayed talking because I was like, do I say it? Do I not? Do I say it? And the whole time all you're seeing is home.

[A]

No, that's us. Yeah.

[B]

And then, like, if there's a season of Survivor and we're like, we're catching up on two episodes.

[A]

You're Survivor people.

[B]

Yes. We love it like that with Max. And then also we love, like, listening to music and, like, talking.

[A]

What song instantly puts you in a good mood?

[B]

Anything. Taylor Swift puts me in a good mood. To be so honest, she's a Swifty. Specifically, if someone just bumping. Fearless.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

I. That gets me going.

[A]

What's your favorite album?

[B]

So, like, that's impossible. I simply cannot be choosing from my children until I have children are Taylor's albums. But I will say the three that, like, just have such a special place in my heart are fearless. Folklore and reputation.

[A]

I love folklore.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My best friend Whitney Simmons is the biggest Swiftie I know. And so every single one of her Instagram captions is a touch up vote. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She's really just die hard. She goes to all the concerts and her outfits are incredible. And she made me have a new appreciation and love for Taylor. Because I'm not like a big pop.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Music girl.

[B]

No, you just need Folklore Evermore. Did you like Tortured Poets Department?

[A]

Yes. So when Evermore and Folklore came out, that changed my life because we're very, like, calm, acoustic people. My husband plays guitar. I played piano a little bit growing up. So we like slow, chill music. Unless I'm in, like, an EDM mood and then I'm going crazy. But I just was never into, like, really poppy music. But I really admire her work ethic, how kind she is, like, how much she gives back. Also, like, coming from the picu, how much she goes to children's hospitals. Just makes me so happy.

[B]

I think she's amazing in every way. And I will say, like, my favorite is converting a non swifty who's open but doesn't really get it. And, like, spend one night with me. I would dead ass.

[A]

You're like, let me take a gummy. We're going down Taylor Swift rabbit hole.

[B]

No, I know. And honestly, for. Oh, God, where would I even start? There's so many things. But where I do like to start for people that I think this just really gets them interested is starting with the look what you made me do music video. Oh, I think that has so many interesting things, so many Easter eggs at the end. She's got lined up all the tailors, the different versions.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Anyone know what I'm talking about? Yep. Scott. Annie, you wouldn't let me down here. And it's just like, iconic because you can then explain the banter. Like, I like to start there with a bang.

[A]

So that's how I am with Beyonce. First concert I ever went to when I was six was Destiny's Child. And so, yeah, I could. I mean, did you see the Renaissance movie?

[B]

I didn't see the movie, but I need to see it. I saw.

[A]

Well, it was only in theaters and you can't stream it anywhere.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

I'm sad about that. But I just went to Cowboy Carter and I think they're doing another documentary. And I'm so excited because her daughter has been the star.

[B]

I think Beyonce's incredible. I wouldn't say I'm in the beehive. I don't think I'm worthy. But I will say I grew up watching Dreamgirls and I think that.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

A special caliber of Beyonce and J.

[A]

Hud fan, but I love that Taylor was in her background vocals of her new album.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How did I not know that?

[A]

Yeah. So you'll hear. I'll show you the song. But you can hear Taylor's voice in the background because her and Beyonce are very close.

[B]

I wonder. I knew that. I wonder why they haven't actually collabed on a song yet.

[A]

Probably because they're just too iconic. I think it would just.

[B]

Right. It's like break the world, you know, we simply can't like destroy the world.

[A]

When Miley came out too, like the fact that Miley.

[B]

Oh, that was really. That was.

[A]

That was so good. Okay. Okay. Anyways, last question. What's a skincare product that you currently cannot live without? We're big in skincare here.

[B]

Yeah, I obviously love the Haley Bieber glazing milk obsessed. I will just always be refilling it.

[A]

Just use that in the car.

[B]

Something I want to shout out. That might be a bit more. It's not that niche. Cuz it's summer Fridays, but might be a bit less like. Well known is the summer Fridays jet lag mask.

[A]

Oh, I'm obsessed. No.

[B]

So is that basic? No, I'm kind of new into skincare. No, no, no, I love that. But I. I just have very dry skin and so that's like a. I'm like. That's my everyday apply, like morning and night. And I love it. It's just so thick. I get dry here and so I love to just put some here and it's. Yeah, it's amazing.

[A]

If you like that mask, you should try their under eye patches. They have incredible under eye patches. When I go on a long flight, I fucking lather that mask all over my face and put those under eye patches on. Put my sleep mask on. I'm like. And then I wake up and I.

[B]

So glowy.

[A]

Yeah, you also need. Yeah, you're not gonna like being friends with me. So I'm gonna send you all these skincare products you need. Now, please. Do you need my overnight masks from Medicube?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You just put them on your face and you sleep with them and it sucks in. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. I have some of those and they're.

[A]

Clear and you peel it off and you literally wake up with.

[B]

Okay, baby skin. Send me that one. I have a. I have a. I think it's bio dance. I don't know. Yeah, I have a collagen one I love, but I'm always down for more. Yeah, I love knowing that. It's just like all in my skin now.

[A]

Also medicuff, because Korean skincare is some of the best skincare products I've ever used for a quarter of the cost of what you're Gonna pay elsewhere. Like, you have to check it out.

[B]

Korean skincare, like, truly just kills it.

[A]

Yeah, it's crazy. Well, I'm like, that's all the time we got, folks. Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate this was such a fun convo and I really like your message and your brand, and I think that we need more people like you on social media. Thank you.

[B]

I appreciate it. I am. Yeah. It was so great to meet you. I was so honored to be on your show. Really, like a secret admirer of your content. I think you're just like, so cool and effortless and I don't get bored of what you post. Like, you're one of those people that's just like, born to be an influencer. Like, I'm just always interested in your life.

[A]

So that's so interesting because every day I'm like, am I in the right job? So I'm like, I went to school to be a nurse and then I was like, what the fuck happened one day? But thank you.

[B]

I appreciate that.

[A]

Of course. What? Talk about your podcast so people know and then where can people find you on social?

[B]

My podcast is called Real Pod. New episodes every Wednesday. Avery will be on soon. So you can kind of complete the whole this, this the loop here. And then you can find me on Instagram and Tik Tok at Victoria Garrick Brown. And if you're an athlete interested in mental health advocacy, you can check out the Hidden Opponent nonprofit. And that's about it.

[A]

I love it. Thank you so much for being here. And then go check out Victoria and the podcast episode that I do with her when it's live.

[B]

Cheers Cheer.

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