Austen Kroll Spills on Rocky Friendship w/ Craig Conover + Rachael Kirkconnell Speaks on Matt James Split

Summary

Chicks in the Office - Episode Summary
Episode: Austen Kroll Spills on Rocky Friendship w/ Craig Conover + Rachael Kirkconnell Speaks on Matt James Split
Release Date: January 31, 2025
Host/Authors: Rhea and Fran (Barstool Sports)

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Introduction

In this episode of Chicks in the Office, hosts Rhea and Fran dive deep into the tumultuous friendships and high-profile breakups within the reality TV sphere. They discuss Rachael Kirkconnell's recent breakup with Matt James from The Bachelor and conduct a revealing interview with Austin Kroll about his rocky friendship with Craig Conover from Southern Charm.

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Rachael Kirkconnell and Matt James Breakup

Background and Relationship Dynamics
Rhea and Fran unpack the intricate details of Rachael Kirkconnell's breakup with Matt James. Rachael recently appeared on Call Her Daddy, where she opened up about her four-year relationship and its sudden end.

• Communication Breakdown: Rachael recounts how a seemingly minor disagreement over restaurant choices in Tokyo led to a significant fallout. She shares, “She got emotional about it and ended up just saying one tier, two tier, and that was it” (18:37).

• Matt's Handling of the Breakup: Matt's approach to ending the relationship has been widely criticized. Rachael described Matt’s reaction: “He basically said that she gets upset about things she shouldn’t be” (19:46). The hosts highlight Matt's insensitive remarks, such as questioning how Rachel would handle more significant challenges if she reacts strongly to minor issues.

• Public Announcement Issues: Matt announced the breakup publicly on the same day it occurred, which Rhea and Fran consider inappropriate and hurtful. Rachael had no opportunity to privately inform her friends and family, forcing her to absorb the breakup while on a 12-hour flight without Wi-Fi.

• Power Imbalance in Reality TV Relationships: The hosts discuss the inherent power dynamics in relationships formed on shows like The Bachelor. Rhea notes, “Following the show, how does someone act? Do they treat you as an equal or like, I picked you?” (20:16). This imbalance often leads to unresolved issues and miscommunication post-show.

Notable Quotes:

• Rachael Kirkconnell: “I don't think I'm sitting here today unless he posts that and makes that decision to publicize it” (23:33).
• Fran: “You have to have those friends in your life because, you know, say something happens” (27:59).

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Interview with Austin Kroll: Friendship Challenges with Craig Conover

Friendship Struggles and Miscommunication
Austin Kroll joins Rhea and Fran to discuss his strained friendship with Craig Conover. Their relationship has been fraught with misunderstandings and differing life priorities.

• Isolation and Focus: Austin explains how Craig has increasingly isolated himself, focusing solely on his business ventures: “He thought that the recipe for success was just focus on one thing” (39:28).

• Efforts to Reconnect: Austin recounts his attempts to reach out, including visiting Craig to discuss the growing distance. However, Craig reacted defensively, leading to further tension: “He kind of pulled away from some of your relationships because his head's been down” (39:28).

• Communication Breakdown: Both friends acknowledge misinterpretation in their interactions. Austin shares his frustration with Craig’s inability to accept his own growth: “I think Craig is just so, like, I've changed, ... not willing to look and see change” (51:15).

• Possible Reconciliation: Austin remains hopeful about mending their friendship, expressing confidence that they can resolve their differences: “If Craig and I were to come out the other side, pillows and beer back” (73:20).

Notable Quotes:

• Austin Kroll: “We're here to listen and see both sides” (8:44).
• Fran: “What's your thing?” (01:53).

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Reality TV and Personal Growth

Power Imbalance and Personal Development
The hosts delve into how reality TV can exacerbate existing power imbalances in relationships, particularly when one party holds a position of authority or fame. They discuss how long-term relationships formed on such platforms can suffer post-show due to lack of genuine communication and understanding.

• Matt James' Commitment Issues: Fran and Rhea critique Matt’s lack of commitment and how it negatively impacted Rachael’s self-esteem: “He’s saying you don’t have the qualities that I see in a wife” (28:09).

• Austin and Craig's Friendship Dynamics: The episode highlights how personal growth and changes in life priorities can strain friendships, especially when not reciprocated or acknowledged by both parties.

Notable Quotes:

• Rhea: “It's just disrespect after you've been together for four years” (28:37).
• Fran: “It's just a cowardly move to just quit in the middle of the season” (56:42).

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Navigating Public Breakups and Media Stirs

Public Breakup Fallout
Rhea and Fran express sympathy for Rachael’s plight, emphasizing the emotional toll of her publicized breakup. They also discuss how Matt’s actions have led to a media frenzy, affecting his reputation and relationship dynamics within the reality TV community.

• Emotional Impact on Rachael: Rachael’s inability to privately process the breakup has left her emotionally drained: “It was tough. It's sad to hear that” (29:33).

• Matt’s Reputation: The way Matt handled the breakup has led to significant backlash, including loss of followers and public criticism.

Notable Quotes:

• Rhea: “He caused absolute media stir” (32:46).
• Fran: “You're gonna throw it and just sprint away” (56:55).

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Closing Remarks and Future Content

Looking Forward
The episode wraps up with the hosts expressing hope for both Rachael and the reconciliation between Austin and Craig. They tease upcoming interviews, including one with Noah Centineo, and encourage listeners to tune in for more in-depth discussions on pop culture and reality TV drama.

Notable Comments:

• Fran: “We love everyone and want everyone to come in here and listen to all the feelings long” (77:05).
• Rhea: “We hope you have a fantastic weekend, and we'll talk to you on Monday” (96:21).

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Conclusion

This episode of Chicks in the Office provides a candid exploration of the complexities surrounding friendships and romantic relationships within the high-pressure environment of reality TV. Rhea and Fran offer insightful commentary on communication breakdowns, power imbalances, and the emotional ramifications of public breakups, all while maintaining a supportive stance towards their guests and listeners.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Rhea: “I don't think I'm sitting here today unless he posts that and makes that decision to publicize it” (23:33).
• Austin Kroll: “We are gonna come out of it better than ever” (73:20).
• Fran: “You have to have those friends in your life because, you know, say something happens” (27:59).
• Rhea: “He caused absolute media stir” (32:46).
• Austin Kroll: “I'm here for you” (44:08).

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Note: This summary excludes advertisements, intros, outros, and non-content segments such as the trivia game to focus solely on the core discussions and insights shared during the episode.

Transcript

[Rhea]

Hey, Chicks in the Office listeners. You can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube Prime. Members can listen ad free on Amazon Music.

[Fran]

What's up, everyone? It's Chicks in the Office with Rhiann. Fran giving you that Friday energy on a Friday. Happy Funky Friday, everybody. What's up? How you doing?

[Rhea]

Happy Friday.

[Fran]

Happy Friday. Happy freakin Friday.

[Rhea]

Sitting in our. In our furs.

[Fran]

Yeah. What the fuck is up?

[Rhea]

This one isn't really. This is like a fuzzy, fuzzy coat.

[Fran]

You know, fake fur.

[Rhea]

Yeah, of course. Always. But I mean this. Yeah. I don't even know what.

[Fran]

Yeah. What the fuck's your problem?

[Rhea]

It's cold in here. It's cold in the studio.

[Fran]

Yeah. Burr. Sorry. I'll get out of this mob wife Persona.

[Rhea]

I don't think you should.

[Fran]

I wish I had a cigarette right now. You know what I'm gonna start doing? I have a pack of Italian cigarettes in my apartment that I have yet to touch. I think I got them from John Feidelberg, like a year or two ago.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

When he went to Italy. I think it was last year. Whatever. I don't know why I have them.

[Rhea]

Did he bring them back for you?

[Fran]

No, he didn't bring them back specifically for me. I don't know how they ended up in my possession.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

He might have been walking around the office and he said they had him. And I said, oh, like, whatever. I don't. I do not remember how, but I know that I have them in my apartment. I don't smoke cigarettes, but I think I should start bringing them in here as props for me and you, you know. No, just like on a Friday like this, you know, when we're.

[Rhea]

No, you know, we got our coffee.

[Fran]

And a cigarette and we're just talking.

[Rhea]

I'm just like the. The president of dare. Like, I just.

[Noah]

You've never smoked cigarette.

[Rhea]

Even if I never smoked cigarette, I'm.

[Fran]

Never asking you to smoke the cigarette.

[Rhea]

No, I know, but, like, then I feel like a fraud. Like, I'm like. I'm talking. I'm talking with a cigarette in my head. I've never smoked a cigarette in my life. Right.

[Fran]

What's your thing?

[Rhea]

Like, I'm gonna say I'm a fraud.

[Fran]

Yeah, well, you could be a fraud. We're doing a bit.

[Rhea]

You know what I mean?

[Fran]

So what? I'm not, like. I'm not asking you to seriously sit here and smoke a cigarette.

[Rhea]

Well, no, I didn't think you were asking me to do that. But I'm saying, God heavens no. As far as The. You know, the act. I think I would just look silly. Like, you know, like, there's some people who look natural with a cigarette in their hand and, like, they can flawlessly talk and, like, have the cigarette and look cool. I think I would look the opposite.

[Fran]

You think so?

[Rhea]

Like, I think I'd be like.

[Fran]

I think, like.

[Rhea]

I think, like, people would be like, ooh, Fran looks like. Like, oh, no, she looks awkward holding a cigar.

[Fran]

I think it would look super chic. No, Yeah, I think you would look chic doing it. Well, anyways, I'll just.

[Rhea]

I'll just pretend, you know what I'm saying. I don't even know how to hold a cigarette.

[Fran]

Well, honey.

[Rhea]

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. I think I would just look like.

[Noah]

It's not rock.

[Rhea]

It would look like a fraud. No, but then it's like, you know, then there's.

[Noah]

I think, like.

[Rhea]

You know what I'm saying? There's a natural way.

[Noah]

I don't. I think you. You figured out, like. I think if we put it in your hand, I think it's like riding the bike.

[Rhea]

I know, but. You know what I'm saying? But it's not like riding a bike, because I've never ridden. I don't know how to ride. I know.

[Fran]

As soon as I said that, I was like, no, it's not. That's the opposite of riding bike.

[Rhea]

I don't know how to ride. But I understand the sentiment that you're saying. Just like, just a couple of broads.

[Fran]

Just a couple of broads chatting like morning coffee, you know, Kind of like my mom and my aunt when they get on FaceTime and my mom's having her morning cigarettes.

[Noah]

It'd be like one episode a month. You guys smoke cigs during the episode?

[Fran]

Yeah, and we just fucking puff up the joint. Yeah, me and Noah. You can have one, too. I'll bring them in here.

[Rhea]

This is like my worst nightmare. Think about how bad the studio it would smell.

[Fran]

Disgusting. I actually talked about this. I was talking about this with Kelly Keegs yesterday or the day before. I was like, you know what? Someone was. I went to go get my hair blown out, and the guy at the front desk, he. I, like, wiped my mouth when I, like, buzzed in, and there's a camera. And I got upstairs, and he goes, do you vape? And I was like, no. And he goes, oh, I thought I saw you hit your vape when you walked in. And I was like, oh, no. I just, like, wiped my mouth, and he was like, oh, yeah. I thought to myself, rhea doesn't vape. It was like this whole conversation, and I was like, no, I don't vape. And then I came here and I was talking to Kelly, and she, you know, she doesn't vape anymore, but she was like, ah, I'm craving a vape. And I was like. I was like, damn, you know what? I'm craving a vape, but I don't vape. It was just like, when you start talking about it, you. You kind of want to do the.

[Rhea]

Act just thinking about it.

[Fran]

And I was like, you know, it's shocking that my brother, sister and I never smoke cigarettes because we had two parents that smoke cigarettes. And my dad doesn't smoke cigarettes anymore. He has a juul. He has for years. Julia. And my mom, she still smokes cigarettes. But the worst thing about growing up with parents who smoked was the smell that would get on your clothes sometimes. Or like, my backpack. And I would go to this. Like, we had music class in school, and it was like, I don't know, Every other day, whatever. It doesn't matter. It was like eighth period. And my music teacher, he would step up into my area where I was sitting, and he'd be like, somebody in this class is stepping outside and having cigarettes before they come into this class. And like, everyone was like, no, we're not. And I, in my head would be like, is it fucking me? Is it my backpack that smells like cigarettes? Because of my parents. And I would go home and I would be like, my backpack smells. And I would, like, throw a fit about the cigarette smoke. Like, I was such an angry elf about the cigarette smoke in my. In my house. So I. That's why I never smoked cigarettes. You know, I've tried them before, but I hate the smell.

[Rhea]

Yeah. My. The only. Really one of my. My grandpa was a cigarette smoker.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

And anytime we would go down to their house, like, I was the kid that would, like, walk in the door and be like. And, like, cough up along. Immediately I'd just be like, God, it smells terrible in here. Like, just really make a scene about it.

[Fran]

It's the worst.

[Rhea]

And my grandpa would be like this.

[Fran]

I don't give a fuck. No, it's the worst fucking smell. And I would literally wake up angry in the morning before school if I smelt it, like. Because my bedroom, like, I don't know how to describe it, but I could. If my mom was smoking outside, it was almost like the cigarette smoke traveled up to my bedroom window and went and came into my room.

[Rhea]

Like, that's how it felt to everything in this studio.

[Fran]

Yeah. It was wrong.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Thankfully. Have you ever been in a bar that's like a cigarette bar?

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And it just sticks to your hair.

[Rhea]

Yeah. It's everywhere.

[Fran]

And it just gets every old.

[Rhea]

An old like hotel in. In Vegas or they landed. They can. Like the. The rooms still smell like cigarettes because people, like, they just can't get rid of the smell.

[Fran]

They have the smoking.

[Rhea]

Like now they say you can't smoke in the hotels. But they let them before. And the smell's still there.

[Fran]

Yeah, it would absolutely stink.

[Rhea]

No, never.

[Fran]

We would never light them up in here. But maybe just as props when we're wearing our. It's because we're both wearing these fur coats right now.

[Rhea]

I think it's the outfits for sure. Some context.

[Fran]

We.

[Rhea]

We've been dressed up this week.

[Fran]

I'm not dressed up.

[Rhea]

Well, the coat is. You know, it's.

[Fran]

You're in a fragrance. This is my dress up part of this.

[Rhea]

You're in a coat. But we've had so many fun things this week. And this afternoon we're going to film a bunch of social content with some of the cast of the Traitors.

[Fran]

Yes, we are.

[Rhea]

So that's. Look out for that. That's gonna be in all the chicks in the office social accounts, which is gonna be really fun. We had another interview today that we recorded today that will be out on Monday with Noah Centineo, which.

[Fran]

Super exciting.

[Rhea]

Great.

[Fran]

Such a good interview.

[Rhea]

Yes. Love his vibe.

[Fran]

Love his vibe. Noah Ives is jealous of Noah Centineo's vibe.

[Rhea]

Believe me, Noah Ives wishes he had half the aura that. That Noah said to me.

[Noah]

Let me tell you, I don't know why I was.

[Rhea]

Jealousy.

[Noah]

I think he's a cool guy. The jealousy I bonded over our name.

[Fran]

The jealousy that was seeping out of Noah Ives's pores after Noah Centineo left was insane.

[Noah]

Like, not at all.

[Fran]

The whole office is talking about it. It's not just like a me.

[Noah]

I didn't say anything to anyone. How are they talking about it?

[Fran]

It's not just like a me and Fran thing that we picked up on. It's an office wide rumor that's going on.

[Noah]

I haven't left the studio.

[Fran]

You have told other people you've maybe you texted. Well, they heard about it.

[Noah]

Hey, I have nothing against Noah Centineo. Let me just put that out there.

[Rhea]

No, that was fantastic. We had a great interview be out on Monday. And Austin Kroll is on today's Episode which is. You know, it's gonna be great as well. A lot of Southern charm inside, Scoob. Everything that's going on with him and Craig, you know, we're just. We're just trying to mediate at this point. Like, we're just trying to bring our two pals back together. Craig and Austin, you know. Come on, guys. Come on, guys.

[Fran]

Work it out on the remix.

[Rhea]

Get out.

[Fran]

Let's do this thing, you know?

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Listen. We love them both. And you can have your opinions about them on reality TV or whatever it is, but they are two great guys. And.

[Rhea]

And we're just here to listen and see both sides. And I sure. I feel like hopefully Craig comes in the next few weeks. I know that.

[Fran]

I hope so.

[Rhea]

Was maybe planning on it or. It'd be great if he. If he did. And we'd love to talk to him too.

[Fran]

Would love to talk to Craig. Craig. He did Texas recently that he wanted to come on.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And you know. But I know.

[Rhea]

I think he's gonna be in New York next week.

[Fran]

Right. We're not here. But the thing is, I hope Craig doesn't see this with Austin and go.

[Rhea]

We, like. We picked sides. Yeah.

[Fran]

Right. And it's like the amount of times that we said, like, no, we want you guys both to be okay.

[Rhea]

Look, it's. Austin was just available first. Look, we gotta get. We gotta sell our show, honey.

[Fran]

And Austin was sucking up to us. Cause he invited us to watch him at Watch for Shoppins Live. Like, people are. Like, people are trying to buy sides right now. You know what I mean? And we're up for grabs.

[Rhea]

Oh, man.

[Fran]

So.

[Rhea]

No, but that was great. And honestly, we love Austin. It was so kind of him to invite us to watch Choppets Live because that was the gateway to us being bartenders again. Which we had a great time.

[Fran]

Great time bartending.

[Rhea]

We did the finger guns. We didn't really have to speak at all.

[Fran]

No. That was nice.

[Rhea]

They were not prepared for us. You know, it was actually supposed to be Trisha Paytas.

[Fran]

Yes. And she backed out last second. But they weren't prepped for us. That's fine. I actually preferred that. So it's like no questions thrown our way.

[Rhea]

Right. And it was like the 10pm live show at that point. We were like. Our brains weren't working fried. We were here all day. I don't even know what we would have said if we were asked even about the traitors. I think I would have just been like, Dylan Efron.

[Fran]

Yeah. And like, I Love, Dylan, Efron, Bebopop, Boopap. Traitors. You know, I will say I fucking hated my outfit. I really did. And it's like a sensitive subject.

[Rhea]

Yeah, really, it's. It stuck with you.

[Fran]

It stuck with me because we talked about this. I. Well, actually, you just read a hilarious comment on our dates.

[Rhea]

We actually should have stayed in the outfits we were in.

[Fran]

Yeah. Somebody Fran just read a comment that was like, you guys should have stayed.

[Rhea]

She said, I personally would have stayed in what you were wearing to work.

[Fran]

And you know what? That's perfectly fine.

[Rhea]

So fine.

[Fran]

So fine. Cause I almost sort of agree that I should have just stayed in the back jeans, though. I ran to Aritzia, got a blazer and a belt. We didn't have time to go home and change. Didn't have time to brush that makeup. I didn't know what was going on. I walked into Zar. I fucking hated, hated everything. And then went into a ritzy. I was like, fine, just give me a blazer and a belt. And then I asked multiple different people if I should take the tag off the blazer. People told me no. So I didn't take the tag off the blazer. Now I'm getting. I'm a stylist. You should have taken the tag off the blazer. And I'm like, ah, God damn it. You know, just a train wreck.

[Rhea]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it is what it is.

[Fran]

And we move along, we chug along.

[Rhea]

So much fun.

[Fran]

And we. And we bounce back from it. And it does not matter about the outfit. It matters about the fun that we had along the way.

[Rhea]

Exactly.

[Fran]

Experiences we had.

[Rhea]

We said, guys, invite us back anytime you please.

[Fran]

And sometimes you're going to wear an outfit that you just don't like in the moment and afterwards, you know what I mean? Like, trust me, I did not like that outfit when I had it on. So, you know, that's. That's the deal. And that's the way the cookie crumbles just got to.

[Rhea]

You just got to make deal with what you got.

[Fran]

What you got going on.

[Rhea]

Like, I wish I had a. Like, could have run my hair through my blow dryer one more time. You know, it is what it is.

[Fran]

We all want what we can't have.

[Rhea]

It is what it is. But it was. It was fun. It was great to be there and do that again.

[Fran]

So much fun.

[Rhea]

And I'm excited to meet hat the people that we're talking to on Traders half. Like we know I would say, actually.

[Fran]

No, I don't know Any of them.

[Rhea]

We know Nikki.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

And then at rest.

[Fran]

We don't know any of them.

[Rhea]

Yeah, I'm. Why am I. I'm, like, acting like they're a friend.

[Fran]

Like, we don't know them at all.

[Rhea]

We don't know them.

[Fran]

We met Bob Harper the other night because he was on watching Habits Live and he said, oh, I'll see you guys on Thursday. We said, we'll see you there, Bobby.

[Rhea]

Very excited for that. That's going to be fun. And. Yeah, then it's the weekend.

[Fran]

It's the freaking weekend, baby. I'm about to have me some fun. And then we're off to super bowl week. Actually, not me, just Fran. But we will be rooting for her the entire week.

[Rhea]

Thank you.

[Fran]

Can't wait.

[Rhea]

Amazing.

[Fran]

She. I can't wait to go to Florida.

[Rhea]

I know. I was gonna say the. We want to talk about the Matt and Rachel stuff a little bit because we, you know, listen to Call Her Daddy and everything. But I also listened to. To New Heights, and they had a voicemail section, and they brought on, like, two of their producers that everybody knows, you know, part of the program. Kind of like, you know, their Noah sort of situation. Right, right.

[Fran]

No one is like, our Noah.

[Rhea]

No, no, no.

[Fran]

Of course.

[Rhea]

Well, Noah's really, like, third chair. These guys, you know, they don't jump on.

[Fran]

No one can compete.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

With our Noah. Yeah. No, besides Noah Centineo.

[Rhea]

Yes. So the two guys, they were joking because a voicemail came in that was like, how did you guys feel? They got to be up in the suite for the championship game, and there was a picture posted, Big group shot there in the picture. And the question was, like, how'd you feel like getting in a photo that's, you know, with the fuck ass filter? And Jason and Travis were like, what did she say? Like, they could not. There was no computing. They had no idea what the voicemail was talking about. And the two guys were like, oh, no. Yeah. I actually just learned about this. Like, it's what they call, like, the way the pictures come out on Taylor's camera. And Travis was like, I'm online. I've never seen this.

[Fran]

Wow.

[Rhea]

Apparently, I was like, maybe Taylor isn't aware that people call it the fuck ass filter, but I would think she would. Cause I feel like I see it everywhere, especially mostly on Twitter. But I do see it a lot of, like, every. You know, when the pictures were taken. I guess now we're learning it's from a specific camera, but it's just, like, anytime you Saw a picture in that quality, it was like, oh, Taylor's around somewhere. It's like, sometimes Brittany Mahomes would post pictures with a filter. It was her friend Ashley who posted the pictures with a filter. And you're like, oh, now we know. It must just be from a camera. But it was very funny hearing them be like, I'm sorry, Travis was like, the focus filter. Like, no, no, no. Fuck ass. Fuck ass.

[Fran]

Fuck ass filter.

[Rhea]

Yes, enunciate the fuck ass filter.

[Fran]

That's hilarious. And now they know. And Travis told Taylor after that, he's like, you know, people call your filter fuck ass filter.

[Rhea]

Just, like, finishes recording and sends Taylor a text. Did you know about the fuck ass filter, question mark? Yeah.

[Fran]

What fuck ass filter are you using, girl?

[Rhea]

It's crazy seeing the. I mean, obviously Travis knows that he's mic'd up, but seeing them actually speak and, like, hearing what they're saying, it feels very intimate. But you're like. She's like, I'm so proud of you. I love you. Like, it's, like, so sweet, but it's like, oh, my God.

[Fran]

So that's mic'd up. Listen, like, rooting for the Eagles. Fully want you to get your win.

[Rhea]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Fran]

100%. Going full Eagles. I might even wear green that day.

[Rhea]

That's so selfless of you.

[Fran]

Yeah, it's not my usual color scheme.

[Rhea]

You don't wear a lot of green.

[Fran]

I don't. I have a green shirt in my closet right now that I almost put on today, and I'm just not quite there.

[Rhea]

Yeah, you're not there yet.

[Fran]

I'm not there yet.

[Rhea]

You're not there yet.

[Fran]

It's out of my suit.

[Rhea]

Maybe once it gets closer to game.

[Fran]

Time on Super Bowl Sunday, maybe I'll actually be in Florida. Maybe I'll wear a green bee suit. But I will say there would be something exciting as a non. Really, like football. You know, Die Hard. That, like, if they won three times in a row, like, all the. All the talk around, it would be exciting. It would just be like, people would be pissed off. They'd be, like, smashing their TV screens and shit. Like, that would be just a little thrilling. But we are rooting for the Eagles. Anyways, moving on. I digress.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Into.

[Rhea]

Call Her Daddy.

[Fran]

Call Her Daddy. The Matt and Rachel breakup. We'll talk about it. We have a fantastic interview with Austin Kroll. Give it a listen. Juicy S stuff. Interesting stuff.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And great game of trivia. So let's get into it.

[Rhea]

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[Fran]

So Rachel Kirkonnell went on Call her daddy. The interview was about an hour and 40 minutes. Now these interviews are on YouTube, which is great. People can, you know, watch live and the whole thing. And it really took her about an hour to get to the actual breakup story. There was a lot of background, a lot of background talking on the Bachelor.

[Rhea]

You know, learning stuff that we kind of knew.

[Fran]

Yeah, right. Like, yeah, matching.

[Rhea]

And she's talked about it before.

[Fran]

Yeah, he, you know, didn't want to get engaged while on the show, but, you know, talking and had been dating for four years. She thought that they were like on the same page. They would talk about family and kids and, you know, eventually getting married and getting to that point. And, you know, leading up to it, he had asked her about rings and he, she said that that was a green flag to her, you know, taking that. It was a big step for him to mention that. And, you know, he was comment, he was commenting on people's commenting back to people that would write like, when is she gonna be Your fiance. And he'd be like, soon. Or like, you know, wedding food. Oh, we're having all this. So like, if I'm Rachel, I'm seeing that, I'm like, oh, maybe we're going to Tokyo. And he's, you know, proposing in Tokyo. But ultimately she talked about what had led to the breakup happening in Tokyo was they went out to, to eat and Rachel had picked a spot. You know, she. She looked for a while and it to the hype and she got emotional about it and she ended up, you know, just. She said one. One tier, two tier, that was it. And Matt kind of said to her, like, why are you getting upset about that? Like, whatever.

[Rhea]

And they got into a fight about it.

[Fran]

They got into a fight about it that night. And he basically was weird too. Yeah. And he basically said that, you know, she gets upset about things that she shouldn't be getting upset about. And if you act like this in this situation, how are you gonna act like what somebody's scary happens? Which I think is such.

[Rhea]

Right. I hate that.

[Fran]

And actually, you know who I saw talk about this on their tick tock was Isaac. I don't know how to pronounce.

[Rhea]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

Allison and Isaac.

[Rhea]

Rochelle, Raquel, Rachel.

[Fran]

Yeah, because she's kutch.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And then he's. And he said like some. He like made a joke about Allison and was like, you know, when my wife was pregnant and I got her the wrong coffee art or coffee order, but she burst into tears. She went into the hospital two weeks after she gave birth and handled it like a champ. Sometimes you.

[Rhea]

I think that's such a cop out question.

[Fran]

It's so like.

[Rhea]

Oh, you're crying now. How are you gonna handle it? No, I heard that something serious happens. I may cry too, but I'll fucking handle it.

[Fran]

Right? And Isaac said sometimes people handle bigger situations better than smaller situations. And I can relate to that. I'm dramatic about small little things sometimes. I think, you know, not, not that I think it's funny, but I'm like, oh, what the hell? Like, whatever. And then like of a big, you know, I've had big life situations happen, family, whatever, and you handle it. And that doesn't. You know what I mean? Just because you're an emotional or dramatic whatever, it doesn't mean you can't handle big life things or scary situations. Like, that's such. I, I hated that. And you know, Rachel said she was emotional. She's on her period. Like, Matt James can't handle a girl on her period. Like, and you Know what? I'll say this. There have been times where I've seen videos of Matt, James, and Rachel, and I'm. I'm 100% sure I've sent it to you guys. Being like, I hate the way Matt's talking to Rachel in this video, where he'd be like. He'd be like, girls out there, does your girl do this? Or, like, guys out there, does your girlfriend do this? And, like, show things that Rachel would do? Or be like, why do girls do this? And I would just be like, what? Like, why is he, first of all, publicizing this? And also just like, duh. Like, do you not know how to, like, communicate with a girl? Like, bizarre. But that's besides the point. That's my own. My own things I've picked up on. She talked about the breakup, and ultimately he said that he didn't see himself marrying her and getting to that point with her. And here's the thing. Like, that is, if you want to break up with someone because you don't see yourself with them, that is completely okay. Like, you should then end the relationship if you don't see it getting to the point where the other person wants to be. But the way he did it.

[Rhea]

Yeah. It's just. Yeah. Breaking handled more poorly.

[Fran]

Breaking up with her in a different country. Her getting on the flight where she has no wi fi for 12 hours.

[Rhea]

And I'm sure he knows her. Doesn't work on planes.

[Fran]

Yes. Because they travel together all the time.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Posting that the same day they break up, which is insanity. In what world is anybody announcing their breakup the same day they break up? Like, that's unheard of.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

You know, you let the dust settle for a second. Letting her get on the flight and knowing that she's not gonna have service and all her friends and family are gonna see that. She hasn't even had the chance to tell them yet. She hasn't even had the chance to let that soak in and grieve the relationship and the breakup. And you're gonna do that to her is one of the more insane moves. Like, I just think you have every right to end a relationship with somebody that you don't want to be with. But all of that nonsense at the breakup. Bad.

[Rhea]

Yeah. Not good. And she did acknowledge that he has since said to her, like, that he handled that poorly and shouldn't have done that. And of course, it robbed her from so many things. It's robbed her from having a single second to mourn the relationship in private, to talk to her Family and friends on her own. And for her to be able to tell them about what happened, she had to just, like, sit on a plane. Honestly, my heart really broke for her watching this whole interview because she seemed a little just, like, emotionally beaten down, if that makes sense, where it just sounds like. And I think Alex danced around it all very well. I thought she, like, I thought Alex was very receptive to what she was saying, but was also kind of, like, trying to push her to be like, I know you want to, like, say nice things about him right now and, like, not have it be drama or anything like that. But, like, please, I hope you realize that this, you know, this behavior wasn't nice. It wasn't normal behavior for him for you to have those thoughts, like, just alone. That it's not like for her to be getting upset about picking a wrong restaurant. Like, that doesn't come out of the blue. Like, that's something that clearly has probably happened before. And, like, you don't shed a tear at the table if there aren't instances in the past where, like, maybe she picked the wrong restaurant and he was mad and, like, he's like, saying, no, no, it's fine. It's fine.

[Fran]

But, like, you know, it's not really fine.

[Rhea]

Like, you know, it's really fine. And she builds it up in her head, and it just seems like at the end of the day, she really was trying to constantly please him. And there's. So there's some work there for her to do. And Rachel is so sweet. And I Hearing her talk about the early days of the relationship of, like, the mindset of feeling less than. Like, why do I. Oh, my God, like, I get to date him. Like, he had all these women, like, and he was in, like, that position of power, and he. And how, like, that clearly has never fully gone away. I think as much as, like, they stay together through the years, and of course they had, like, ups and downs, I think deep down that feeling has kind of stayed with her.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

And it was just. It was. It's sad to hear that and kind of hear the way that there would be moments and especially, like, you know, I don't care what. I don't care what your reasoning are. Reasoning is, like, I'm sure he does feel like, I. That's a projection to me. Like, that's Matt James not being able to. Like, not being able to commit in that way or not wanting to or not ready to get married is when you throw it on the other person of, like, I don't Think you're really, like, I don't really see you as my wife. Like, I don't really think you have the qualities. Right. It's like, okay, who. Who do you have in your mind that's like this perfect angel, right? That's like, just gonna do what? Like, you know, I think he's got a very unrealistic viewpoint, for sure, on who he should be marrying. And Max certainly probably has his own issues when it comes to his own parents and things that have happened that, like, I think he has his own commitment issues 100%, and they just exploded. And it came at the worst time. Talking about girls and guys that, like, with breakups, I think girls, you know, rarely do I find that girls, like, wake up in the morning and they're like, I'm breaking up on my boyfriend today. Like, it's like. It's something that they thought about. They played all the scenarios. What happens? Who's gonna do this? Who's gonna do that? You really are thinking about it. And then it's a time where it happens. Like, to me, I'm like, did he just wake up? There's no thought into that. Because if you're even the littlest bit considerate of the other person, you say, okay, she's getting on a flight. She's going back to Atlanta. She has a baby shower. I'll see her next week, and let's talk this out. But I think I'm done, and you can have that conversation. And maybe it's tough because then you just push the conversation and it drags on, But, God, he picked the worst time.

[Fran]

Awful, awful timing. And, yeah, all those. All those things are true. And it's like, listen. It's also the way you word things. Right? Like, to say, like, you don't have the qualities.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

That I see in a wife is so damaging to a person's, like, totally in. Where you. Then Rachel secure about herself.

[Rhea]

It's like, you're like, what's wrong with me that I'm not a wife?

[Fran]

Right? And it's like, no, there's nothing wrong with you that you're not a wife. Like, Rachel would be an amazing wife. Like, it's. It's the way you should go. It's like you're saying he's projecting.

[Rhea]

Like, yeah.

[Fran]

And you could want to break up with somebody and not want to be in the relationship anymore, but it's kind of about the way you word things and, like, how you go about it. And it just seemed like he did it.

[Rhea]

It's disrespect you've been together for four years.

[Fran]

It's just like. Like, you could just be like, I don't even know. I mean, I'm not in his brain, so I don't know what he could be like. But definitely don't make the woman that you've been with for four years have herself feel like she's not good enough to be a wife. Like, I don't know. It's just there's so many.

[Rhea]

And post that and like, that moment of posting it publicly and, like, why.

[Fran]

Do you want people to know so badly so soon that you're single? Like, that, to me, is suspicious, too. You know what I mean? It's like you want. You want everyone to know, right? That second that you broke up, that you're single. And I also, by the way, think it's a red flag that he wasn't going home with her early in the first place. What you. If you're in, by the way, Tokyo very far.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

If you're going to Tokyo with your significant other and she has to go home one day early because of a ba. A baby shower, bridal shower, why aren't you just getting on the flight home with her? You need to stay that extra day. Like, that, to me, is a red flag. It's like, who. Like, that's.

[Rhea]

A lot of old clips are coming up too, of them talking about how, like, he would be so forgetful, and she would tell him, like, about a wedding and be like, we have a wedding. We remember we have a wedding. And then, like, the week of. Be like, remember we have that wedding on Friday. And he'd be like, oh, shoot, Like, I can't go. Like, I have this to do. And then she, like, end up going to weddings alone.

[Fran]

It kind of seemed like.

[Rhea]

I think she put up with a lot.

[Fran]

It kind of seemed like it's his world. And that's why I feel like she has these insecurities. And she is so stunning and super cool and, like, really has all these wonderful, amazing qualities about her. And I feel like she even mentioned it herself that she wants to take the time now to work on, you know, the insecurity and lack of confidence that she had over the four years. And she said, you know, it's not directly because of him. There are other, you know, things that have gone on. But I think she said, I forget.

[Rhea]

Everything she went through just from the show.

[Fran]

Right. It's. There's a lot that you probably did not work through with that situation. And so I feel like she also talked about this, like, super fresh off the breakup, so she. She's still in the stage of wanting him and wanting to be with him and wanting to hear from him when. And be nice and respectful. But then comes the months after where you start to, you know, things start to click a little bit and you start to have that realization where, like, that was weird and this wasn't okay, and, you know, like, you. You start to wake up. And I think she'll have that coming in the next couple months and totally rooting for her to find that. And it also opened up a new conversation, which I think hasn't really been talked about much is like, the power imbalance that happens with the leads of the Bachelor and Bachelorette that you don't really think about post show. When. And she kind of mentioned it, it's like, well, this person was the Bachelor and the Bachelorette, and I had to fight for their love. I had to fight to be that person. And then afterwards, how does that person act? Do they treat you as an equal or did they treat you like, yeah, I picked you. You had to fight for me. Like, where. Where does that change? And I've seen Kelsey talk about this with Joey, that Kel, like, she has mentioned that, like, Joey has done the work to make Kelsey feel so solidified in the fact that, like, they're. You know what I mean? Like, even though there were other women and she, you know, had to be the one to get picked, like, he has made her feel, like, totally secure in that fact and that in that avenue. So it's an interesting dynamic to think about the aftermath of that and how someone acts. So rooting for Rachel. Glad she got to talk about it. I think once again, a lot of people watching the interview can relate to those sort of situations and just a really shitty way for him to go about that all. And she even said in the interview, she was like, I don't think I'm sitting here today unless he posts that and makes. And makes that decision to publicize it and go about the breakup this way. Like, they probably would have just broken up, announced it in a different way a couple weeks after, and no one really would have been like, yep. What? You know what I mean?

[Rhea]

He caused a media stir the way he posted.

[Fran]

He did. Father God.

[Rhea]

Yeah, he caused absolute media stir. I just want to quickly mention Claire's Instagram story. That's Claire Crawley came crawling out and said, catching up on SoCal, I think she said social news or SoCal news and SMH at some of this stuff.

[Fran]

Remember.

[Rhea]

Remember remembering that one time I specifically asked producers to please not allow one specific guy on my season because I knew for a fact he was not looking for a serious relationship whatsoever. I didn't want him to waste anyone's time. So instead, they made him the Bachelor. Look, fair point. I mean, Matt James was going to go on her season at the time. Like, that certainly was not going to be a love connection. And then they made Matt the Bachelor. We always, like, Matt was not going on. We know because we saw how a season like Matt. Yeah. Matt didn't want to get engaged at the end of the bat. Like. Yeah, it just. And it was. It just wasn't gonna happen.

[Fran]

It just kind of sucks that it feels like a lot of stuff was for content. Like. Yeah, like posting that immediately, like, online. And I. I want to ask Rachel, did they ever go out to eat that and it wasn't filmed? You know what I mean? Like, I have so many questions about. About that.

[Rhea]

Yeah, no, that. It is interesting, but I will. I mean, in slightly, in that defense, it's like.

[Fran]

It is.

[Rhea]

It's his job.

[Fran]

No, it is.

[Rhea]

You know, like, that's, like, what. That's how he was making money and, like, doing things. So I get that.

[Fran]

But I just wonder if they had any time where they would eat.

[Rhea]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

It wasn't filmed. I think that's just a good question to have. You know what I mean?

[Rhea]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Fran]

Could we ever just sit down and enjoy the meal and, like, we have dedicated filming times, but we also have times where we, like, don't do that for sure.

[Rhea]

But Rachel will be out of this better. Better than. Better than ever, I think.

[Fran]

You know, he lost a ton of followers on Instagram. Yeah, a ton. It's just like, he's probably kicking himself. Like, man, if I just would have really.

[Rhea]

He really handled it very poorly.

[Fran]

Very. And if I would have just handled this a bit better.

[Rhea]

But if he didn't post that, like, you know, Rachel's probably not going on call her daddy and saying every, like, word for word, like, what was said to her, you know, so that's what. You dig your own grave at that point, right? Like.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rhea]

You know, and it's tough because I've always enjoyed Matt and I think Matt's a fun guy, but, like, hearing some of the things that Rachel has said from their relationship, that's. It's tough.

[Fran]

No, it's tough. And I can't even.

[Rhea]

Very sad for her.

[Fran]

Just the thought of being on a plane with no wifi. For 12 hours after I just got broken up with.

[Rhea]

No, it's terrible.

[Fran]

And the world knows that we just broke up, and I can't. I'd be like, flight attendant. Can I borrow your phone? Can I log in real quick, let people know what's going on? Can I call my mom and dad?

[Rhea]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

It's wild, but, yeah, it was. It was a good. I think Alex Cooper did a really great job with that.

[Rhea]

She totally did. Handled it really well. All right, let's get into our interview with Austin.

[Fran]

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[Austin]

Hey, guys. Thanks for having me.

[Fran]

Have you.

[Austin]

We're being honest here. I don't do very many podcasts, but I always do.

[Rhea]

Y'all just come back.

[Austin]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

You just can't quit us.

[Fran]

Thanks for coming back. Have you been on in this studio yet?

[Rhea]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. With.

[Austin]

With Craig.

[Fran]

Gotcha. Right, right, right.

[Rhea]

Yep, yep, yep.

[Fran]

No longer with Craig.

[Austin]

That's also a recurring theme. I do a lot of things with Craig.

[Rhea]

That is true.

[Fran]

That is true.

[Rhea]

That is true. But, you know, here we are.

[Fran]

Yeah. Not to dive right, right into it. Kind of just let us right to that point. But first, how are you feeling? You're doing a lot of press this week. You did watch what happens live. Yeah. A lot going on.

[Austin]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Are you nervous about just, like, talking about this season?

[Austin]

No. No, I'm not. Because there's no big thing that has happened to me involving someone of the opposite sex like it normally does.

[Rhea]

That's what I said to you. I was like, it's not that bad. I mean, yeah, you're fighting with Craig. Pretty par for the course. Yeah.

[Fran]

No, for this season, there's no girl issues. Right. It's like, less of, like, oh, my God, Austin's being a huge asshole to this girl.

[Rhea]

Right.

[Fran]

Right. More just like, you guys are fighting as friends.

[Austin]

But that is hard, too, because Craig and I pull our punches a lot with each other because, you know, we both know that we don't want to, like, deliver that, you know, lethal blow. Right. And so it makes it harder because then some might say that, you know, we dance around the issue, and then that's what we do. We dance. We dance. We dance until it comes to, like, a head, you know, which you'll see, you know, later on in the season, Right? Until we finally, one of us, like, sacks up and is like, all right, let's get to the root of this, you know? And then we kind of do it. But until then, it's like, little shots here and there.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Austin]

I feel like death by a thousand paper cuts.

[Fran]

Yeah. And beautiful. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like the big thing here, and I feel like it is kind of being talked about. You're saying it's dance around, but, like, you feel like he kind of pulled away from the friendship. He kind of cut all his friends off. Really?

[Austin]

Yeah, basically. I mean, he kind of pulled, like, a bit of, like, a Howard Hughes. And I'm not saying that it's because, you know, he was dating someone. I. I just think that it's like, because he. That's just, like, he thought that the recipe for, you know, success was, like, just focus on one thing and that, like, his business and everything else is just, you know, noise. Right. And I'm like, where's the bounce?

[Rhea]

Yep.

[Austin]

That. That's all that I was, you know, asking of him, and I guess he just took that in the completely wrong way. Like, I. I guess that when I went to his house, let's just start there for me. Because the whole thing was, like, Patricia had a birthday, and even prior to Patricia's birthday, I asked her. I was like, the fact that Craig isn't going is kind of weird to me. And I was like, why isn't Craig coming? And I asked her actually, like, three times. And the last time I asked her, I was like, you sure that you don't want to Just add Craig to the list. Because I was feeling weird about it. I was like, where's Craig? And she was like, I don't have room. Like, I don't have room, and I would rather have, you know, X, y, and Z there, you know, flat out. And I was like, because you don't talk to Craig anymore. She was like, I haven't heard from Craig in, you know, ages. So I'm like, okay. So the day after her birthday, I go to Craig's to tell him, like, hey, man, you've pulled away from some of your relationships because your head's been down and, you know, so. So focused on, you know, this, you know, And I thought that he was maybe going to be like, yeah, man. Like, I've been, you know, trying to open a store in Nashville. You know, I've been focused on, you know, this Kroger deal, but maybe you're right, and I'll try to. And it was just like, the exact opposite reaction of, like, how dare you say that anything in my life is not perfect or, you know, whatever. And I was like, whoa. Yeah, not the reaction I expected.

[Rhea]

I think you guys were also, like, misinterpreting each other a little bit, which is probably why you're saying, like, when you're kind of dancing around.

[Austin]

I think you're right.

[Rhea]

What really is going on?

[Austin]

Because I was nervous to go over there, to be honest. I was, like, scared. I was like, craig might just, like, implode on me.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

And I think here you make a lot of good points of, like, coming from a concerned friend and. But, like, Craig thought it was coming from a place of, like, you don't.

[Fran]

You.

[Rhea]

You don't go out and have beers with me out now. And he's like, why don't. Because I think because, like, Craig's allowed to decide that he wants to, like, not do that anymore for sure. But you're like, okay, well, we don't. You know, we could go and have. You can come over and, like, we could have water and, like, watch a movie. Like, totally. Friends.

[Austin]

Total.

[Fran]

I watch Harry Potter.

[Rhea]

Yeah. It's just like. I think Craig was really. It just felt like maybe Craig was in his own headspace of, like, everybody is thinking, I changed, but I didn't change. But I did change, but I want to change. And then, like, spiraled. It just, like, it just seemed like it spiraled a little bit and became, like, a bigger thing than it needed to be.

[Fran]

I agree with that. And I think what you're saying is true. Like, everyone's allowed to grow and change and want to do different things in life and have different aspirations and focus on that 100%. But when you. Like, when you ditch your friends, it becomes a bigger problem where the friends that you've been with for so many years are going to be like, hey, you don't hang out with us anymore. And that doesn't mean we have to party. It could be just grabbing lunch, grabbing dinner, like, really, whatever it is. So it's about finding that balance of, hey, I'm working on this. I'm working on these businesses. But, yeah, let's go grab lunch, let's catch up, let's do. Those things are all so important. Like, you have. Right. You have to have those friends in your life because, you know, say something happens. And we're kind of now seeing that unfold publicly with Craig and Paige breaking up, and I feel like he's obviously going through something with that as well. Now you guys are kind of like, hey, we're. We're here for you. We're all, we're going to be here for you. You're going through a hard time, but we kind of wish you would have gave us a little bit more time during all that. Right.

[Austin]

I mean, you're doing the podcast for me.

[Fran]

I don't need to be. I'm sorry.

[Austin]

No, no, no. I mean, I'm watching the show, and obviously, things that he's saying, like, are pissing me off.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Austin]

And I'm sure that things that I'm saying are pissing, you know, him off. That's the way it goes. And you know that now. Little miss reality star. And then he goes through, like, a breakup, and so you make a choice, and you're like, you got to push it all aside to be there for your buddy. And so we did that, and we actually had, like, a camera's up moment right. Where Craig came over to my house, and Shep came as well. And the three of us talked about, you know, Craig's breakup. And I was just like, craig, I want you to promise me that, like, you're not just gonna, like, you know, shut off. And I'm like, if you need someone to talk to and, you know, hang with and take your mind off it, like, call me. You know, call me. Like, it's not good for you just to be solo with your thoughts about what the hell is going on.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Austin]

So I've certainly pushed it all aside to try to be there for him.

[Rhea]

Has he taken you up on that at all, or him And I have.

[Austin]

Had a few, like, you know, 30, 40 minute long phone calls. And, like, we used to do that, like, every day, you know? Every day. And so, yeah, you know, he's called me, and I've just been there to listen, you know, just been there to listen. And he's like, you know, and then I heard this, and then I heard, you know, and all this stuff. And, and so I have spoken to him, you know, but then I've also been, like, a punching bag for him, you know, just, you know, recently he, you know, got all pissed about something that, you know, he saw on the show. I was like, dude. And then he was like, yeah, he. He backed off and was like, I took it out on you. Like, I found out, you know, this, and, and, and I'm sorry. And I'm like, that is fine. But, like, don't, man.

[Rhea]

No, he's looking for an outlet right now, and it's tough because we, we do love both of you guys. So it's like, oh, no. The girls are fighting. Like, no, like, no, don't fight. We love you guys.

[Fran]

And Pace, too.

[Rhea]

Oh, my God. But it is like, there are moments that we see that you're like, oh, no. Like, why'd you do that? Or why'd you do that? Like, watching the show back. And I can totally understand why things can. Can become irritating. Like the fact that he thought he could just kind of, like, buy you out of the podcast for, by the way, a low, low price.

[Austin]

I was fire sale.

[Rhea]

Yeah. Like, yeah, seriously, I was like, oh, no, that's not nice. You don't do that.

[Austin]

Yeah, I. Sorry.

[Fran]

It's Craig.

[Rhea]

It's Shep. Let me tell you something. Every time one of you guys does the podcast, Shepa calls, because Craig. Last time Craig was here solo, Shep was also calling him.

[Fran]

Yeah, that did happen.

[Rhea]

So, you know, hey, you still got.

[Fran]

Those phone calls with Shep?

[Rhea]

Yeah, I can't get rid of Chef all the time.

[Austin]

That. That's a different, you know.

[Rhea]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, but yeah. Okay, so he lowballs you for the podcast. What? What, what are you thinking in. Okay, moment.

[Austin]

I, I, I was just like, how tone deaf can you be? Right? I was like, I don't. Like, the podcast is, like, the furthest thing from my mind right now. Right? Like, in my mind, I'm like, all right, man. Craig and I are fighting, you know, we're just gonna take off, you know, some time, and, you know, this and that, and then for him to kind of come and start talking about, you know, buying me Out. I'm like, what are you buying me out of, Craig? Like, all that you have to do is, like, stop doing the podcast. And then, you know, like, you don't have to buy me out anything. Like, you just make another podcast and call it, you know, Craig's show.

[Fran]

Right.

[Austin]

I don't.

[Fran]

Right, right. Because what you're gonna do, like, what.

[Austin]

Are you gonna do with pillows and beer? Like, the.

[Fran]

There's no taking the name Pillows and beer. Exactly.

[Austin]

But, like, so it just didn't make sense to me. Right.

[Fran]

Because I was like, just go do a. No. Do a new show.

[Austin]

Another show.

[Fran]

Yeah, like that.

[Austin]

I think it was dramatic.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Austin]

And it was unnecessary.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Right.

[Austin]

And I'm like, okay, add, you know, 70k to that, and let's get up to six. And then. And then.

[Rhea]

Okay, let's go to the table.

[Fran]

And you're like, I'm basically stealing money from you because we could have just ended this show, and you could have just started your new show. I wouldn't have asked for a dime.

[Austin]

Take like, 100k, I guess. I mean. But, yeah, it was silly. And it kind of, like, proved my point even more, right? Where I'm like, money.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Austin]

You know, dollar signs. Right. And it's good to be focused. Right. But, like, you know, it all goes back to bounce. And, like, it pains me that. But, like, I knew this, right. I was talking to Shep when we were filming, and I was like, dude, just get ready for Craig's fans to be like, you're just jealous. I'm like, you're missing the point. You're totally just missing the point of what I'm saying. It's not jealousy. I've always been an advocate for Craig. I view Craig as a peer. Whereas, like, Shep and Whitney, you know, have always been older, and they look down. I make fun of them, and. But I've always been, like, a supporter of that, and that's just, like, not. Not the direction that I even, like, was, you know, considering, like, trying to put down Craig to make myself, you know, feel better.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And you have to. And I think people have to take the reality TV show aspect out of it and just think about you guys as friends in real life. Like, if fans are watching the show and they put themselves in your position and they. And they think about, what if my best friend, you know, started cutting me off and didn't want to see me? And, you know, maybe they had concern. Like, okay, say Craig's concern with you is about partying, and he doesn't Want to do that? Well, then I wish my friend would just tell me, hey, I'm not into the partying scene anymore, but would love to do something else with you. Like, just look at it from that angle rather than a.

[Rhea]

The problem was it seemed like he didn't want to do other things.

[Austin]

Yeah, that okay.

[Fran]

Yeah. Did you have a. I almost did.

[Austin]

Like a crowd working thing, you know, last night, right? Like, I watched rap on Zaf. I'm. Who here, you know, is here with one of their friends, right? And you know, the crowd's like, woo me. You know, who, who here, like, is married and might have like a baby, like, at home that, you know, they're like, yes, man, Mom's night out. You know. You know, and people are like, yeah, woo, woo. And I'm like, yeah, Craig. Craig doesn't do that. Yeah, you know, he doesn't do that.

[Fran]

Do you ever think to yourself, and this is kind of sad, like, I don't even want to ask this, but like, when he feels. It feels like he doesn't even want to do any of those things. Are you like, damn, does he just, like, not like me as a person?

[Austin]

My girl, this happened when we filmed and I said it to him and I was like, I mean, Craig, you're making me feel like a sixth grader here. And I'm like, do you like me anymore? And I was like, but like, I.

[Rhea]

Have to say this, right?

[Austin]

And I said, do you not want to hang out with me anymore? And he looked at me like I had three heads. He was like, are you insane? Like, why would you even say, you know? And I was like, okay, then what the fuck is this?

[Fran]

Because you're getting the feeling. I feel like you don't like me as a person. And if that, and if you don't like me as a person, then, like, then tell me and then, cool, I won't try to hang out with you anymore. Then. Then I can have the answer. And then I won't even try.

[Austin]

And, and, and I guess that they didn't play it right. But like, I said that to Craig and. And then later on, you know, he even kind of made. Made fun of me more for it. He was like, you said it like three times that, you know, you didn't think, like, I liked you. And I was like, okay, okay. I mean, you know, I'm like a grown man and if you say that, you know, you don't like me, then, yes, I'll just try less and won't, you know, do this kind of thing anymore. And I'll take it on the chin and just be like, okay, Craig will like me more. And, like, part of the thing is that you were talking about, you know, growth and change. And, yes, you know, everyone is, like, allowed to grow and change. And I feel like Craig refuses to see that I am as well. And he's just like, I've grown so much, and where are you? And I'm like, dude, you're not even, like, willing to look and see change, you know, that I have in my life and all this, you know, and so I just think that Craig is just so, like, I've changed, you know, so much, and, you know, my life. I mean, God, in season nine, I mean, Mr. Golden Boy. Right, right. And that doesn't anger me. Right. But, like. And then to go to season 10, he was like, okay, my life is wonderful now. I'm just going to, you know, cut out drinking. So I'm even more of, like.

[Rhea]

Right.

[Austin]

You know, And. And. And I'm like, okay, great. If you don't want to drink or, you know, drink sparingly, then, you know, then so be it. But, like, can you accept that I've grown as well? And I'm, you know, I've been taking measures, like, in my life to not, you know, regress back to, you know, previous versions of myself and feel like Craig needs to, like, acknowledge that you.

[Rhea]

Don'T have to dive into this too much. But, I mean, his relationship had to have taken was factored into some of those decisions, you think either just maybe what Paige wanted him to be doing.

[Austin]

Or watching back on the show. I mean, you know, before, like, I would always be asked, like, you know, do you think it's Paige?

[Rhea]

Do you think it's Paige?

[Austin]

Do you think it's Paige? And I was like, no, like, no, I don't. I just think that that's how Craig is, you know, and watching it back, like, I see that, you know, she had some influence on, you know, some things. And I don't. I mean, I just think that, you know, Craig is an interesting character and he marches to the beat of his own drum.

[Rhea]

Yeah, that's true.

[Austin]

Yeah.

[Fran]

I wish Craig was sitting here next to you so we could, like, talk it all out together.

[Rhea]

Yeah, well, we just have a group therapy session. You're not leaving this room until you guys decide you're gonna hang out.

[Fran]

And you guys better hug. No, it's like a pre reunion. We sit you guys both down. You know what I mean?

[Austin]

Our reunion is next week.

[Rhea]

Wow. You guys are going to have all these conversations.

[Austin]

Something tells me that Craig is going to be in here because I think he might be doing. Watch what happens.

[Fran]

You know, next week we would.

[Rhea]

Look, we've been love to have Craig on.

[Fran]

Yeah, we're not here next week, but.

[Rhea]

Yeah, we would love for Craig to.

[Fran]

Come back on New Orleans, baby. Yeah, Eagles.

[Austin]

Oh, yeah.

[Rhea]

Down there all week for the Social. Please do us all a favor. Okay. But there's so much other stuff going on in Southern Charm as well. I know you guys, like, your whole relationship is kind of the main plot point right now, but there are some new people, some new faces. What have you thought about the. The Sally edition?

[Austin]

I just know Sally from some reputation. You know, stuff like I remember over the summer or whatever, Shep was like, yeah, check out this girl, man. You know, she's DMing me and you know, I'm gonna go sleep with her and all, you know, And I was like, oh, okay. It like, read to me a little bit like, hey, Shep, you know, she's kind of using you as like a ladder here, you know, no shame like, in her game, though, I mean, you know, but then, like, we have one.

[Rhea]

Episode of the Bachelor.

[Austin]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Yes, yes. And then notable.

[Austin]

And then, you know, with Taylor's ex, the fact that there's like that crossover thing, that's crazy.

[Rhea]

Very. I mean, we all know that Charleston is so intense.

[Austin]

Taylor used to date, you know, current on the show, which they've broken up since. And the fact that Sally, you know, used to date hers. And I was like, that's why I don't date people in Charleston any longer. Like, I'm not doing it because you walk in and someone has, like, you've slept with somebody there.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Austin]

But I like that Sally is taking it full on and she's just like, you know, owning it and just kind of being like, okay, does anyone else have any questions? Like, I'll, you know, I'll do this freaking thing all night, so.

[Rhea]

Right.

[Austin]

I like that.

[Rhea]

That's, you know, definitely. I agree with that. What about Weenie had junior president jt? He's just been. You don't really interact with him too much.

[Austin]

No, I haven't had to. Which is a godsend.

[Rhea]

And then he quit.

[Austin]

Look, I. I haven't had to interact much. And.

[Rhea]

Yeah, I mean, if you miss that whole. If we're being honest, you missed the whole band. I was at a wedding show after party situation where, like, everybody got mad at jt.

[Austin]

Yeah. And Shep called me and was like, dude, you Just missed.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Austin]

Some mayhem. And I was like, I'm kind of glad that I did.

[Noah]

Right.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Austin]

It's like, you know, I. I don't know. I don't know.

[Rhea]

I feel like it's better if you're not involved in, like, Taylor's 1, 100%.

[Austin]

And that's why I have, like, stayed on the other side of the street on all of it all season.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Austin]

And I'm just like, I wish her the best, but I'm not getting involved in this. You know, Shep is doing that enough for kind of everyone. But back to the JT thing. I, I, which I do not want to talk about, you know, much, because, God, just. But he, like, kind of had me in a position in the beginning of the season where I was going to have to, like, man up and just be like, okay, you said, you know, sorry to me. Now let's try to, like, you know, move forward together. Because if I wouldn't have, then I would have looked like a petty little bitch. Right. And I was like, man, he. He kind of has me. Right? Because he was like, hey, man, you know, let's, you know, work it out. And then he just immediately hung himself with that rope. And then I just haven't had to interact with him since.

[Rhea]

Do you think he actually called Ms. Patricia a bitch?

[Austin]

You're the first person that's asked me that point blank, and I've had all these answers in my head, and I guess the answer is that I don't care.

[Rhea]

Yeah, right.

[Austin]

You know, still a little shithead.

[Rhea]

Yep, yep, yep. Look, that's fair. I mean, we were floored by, like, the whole. I'm not. I'm done. I've. I've done some interviews, and now I'm done, and I'm not gonna keep filming them.

[Fran]

It just was so confused.

[Rhea]

I thought they were, like, rules.

[Austin]

I just passed him. Yeah. When I was going to my interview and he, you know, and he was leaving, I'm like, see what.

[Fran]

I just feel like it's like a cowardly move to just quit in the middle of the season. Just finish it out and then don't return for the next one.

[Austin]

Literally, like, you know, it's like, I love to make a mess, but I'm gonna run away and not.

[Fran]

Right. You're gonna throw it and then just, like, sprint away.

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[Fran]

What's going on in your dating life?

[Austin]

Yeah, so it's been good. Yeah. I have a girlfriend and she. It's so weird to say. It's like a term that I like that is like, you know, frightened me.

[Rhea]

But turned bright red.

[Fran]

That's why I asked. That's why I asked it like that. I was like, what's he gonna say?

[Austin]

It was. Look, I've had tumultuous relationships in the past.

[Fran]

Yes, you have.

[Austin]

And it's so nice to like, just have someone who just like, lets me be. And honestly, she's just like. She's like a proponent of my peace. She's like a peacekeeper, you know, for me. She's so chill, you know, she's not keeping tabs on me. And that's just like the way I.

[Fran]

Hope you let her be too then, like, mutual, like, support.

[Austin]

100.

[Rhea]

How does she feel about like the show? I know you guys did a little bit with like going to visit your parents and like, but obviously she's not in Charleston.

[Austin]

You know what's funny about it? So she was in town during that episode, right? You know, the episode's airing and she's at my house and, you know, we're cooking dinner, you know, watching a show and I'm like, the episode where like we go to my parents house, like, it's on tonight, you know, do you want to watch it? And she was like, no, no.

[Rhea]

She's Like, I lived it.

[Austin]

Yeah, right, Okay. I was like, what a wonderful answer. Like, okay. And on and on with our lives. So she definitely came and filmed, like a party here and my parents there. And then there's like another party that, you know, she goes to another couple times. But, you know, I didn't feel necessary to, like, bring her around into all of the mix. It just gets messy. Right. And, like, so she comes to, like, another party, and you'll see that. So, you know, JT's not like, invited. But then Shep does, like, invite him, and so then, you know, JT's like, okay, well, like, I'll show up maybe. Because Shep. And I'm like, all right, well, I don't want my girlfriend there if he's gonna be there. Because you just never know what off the wall nonsense that he read, like on Reddit that, you know, he's gonna let fly this week.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Austin]

Yeah. So I like, try to, like, avoid like a crossover there. I think, like, he shook her hand and I was like, go wash your hand.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Austin]

You know, and she was like, I. I didn't know what to do.

[Rhea]

No. In that situation, you just kind of have to. You got it. You gotta roll with it. For sure.

[Fran]

How long have you guys been together now?

[Austin]

A year.

[Fran]

Nice.

[Rhea]

He says Wishak.

[Fran]

No, he.

[Rhea]

No, it's very, very happy. Very happy.

[Fran]

No, that's awesome.

[Rhea]

But here's the thing. And it comes back to, like, you know, the growth thing and doing all these things. It's like, by the way, you know, just because your relationship hasn't been, like, front and center on the show or anything, or it's like, she's not also on reality tv. Like, you've taken steps in your personal life with dating and doing those things. Like, and that's great.

[Fran]

And, you know, you've kept it more.

[Rhea]

It's. Maybe Craig hasn't acknowledged all that too.

[Austin]

Yeah, I mean, it was one of those things, too, that when we became boyfriend girlfriend, like, we had the talk and it was like, more for me than for her. I was like, we need to just define this so that I don't have the gray area card that I've been accused of in the past.

[Fran]

Accused of or have done.

[Austin]

Have done?

[Fran]

Yes.

[Austin]

Right. You know, the gray area.

[Fran]

The gray area that you have done.

[Austin]

Yes, the gray area that I have done. And. Yeah. So that I was like, let's make this black and white so that we.

[Rhea]

Can just like, I mean, look, I loved hearing what Andy said when you guys, you know, watch happens Live being like, I was in London. I was with Shep. I was with. Or no, maybe it was you and Craig, not Shep, because who knows? I mean, I don't know what is going on with Shep's love life, but with the two of you. And, like, he was like, you guys were so well behaved.

[Austin]

Yeah. I mean, we. We, like, went out in, you know, London. We had a lot of fun together. And by the way, we were out until, like, you know, 3:00 in the morning, you know, And Craig was drinking, like, you know, man, low ABV beers or, you know, whatever. Fine. Right. But didn't say, like, a thing to him. And I'm like, this is what I'm talking about, man. You know, this is like. I mean, this is fun stuff. And I'm like, are you only here because, you know, Andy's here, you know?

[Fran]

And, I mean, you don't have to drink to have fun in any capacity. There are some nights where I'll be out till three, four in the morning, and I barely drank. And I'm like, I'm just having a good time, you know? Like, it's.

[Austin]

And so, yeah, we were out and we were doing some fun, you know, people watching. But, yeah, you know, Craig and I are just.

[Rhea]

Was. Shep is not with this girl anymore that he's on. Was with. On the show.

[Austin]

No. And. And it's very bizarre to me, too. So if it's. If it's bizarre to you as the watcher, I understand.

[Rhea]

Yeah. Because it's like, are they boyfriend, girlfriend? Doesn't seem like it.

[Austin]

Yeah, because. No. Well, you know, I mean, gosh, I date someone that lives in Charlotte. Right. Which is three hours away, and he's trying to date someone that lives in the Bahamas.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Right.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Austin]

And I'm like, shep, you are too much of a horn dog to, like, not be able to see someone like, what, man you're gonna see.

[Rhea]

Right. Right.

[Austin]

Once a month and just think that you're gonna be some good little boy, you know, around town.

[Rhea]

Sounds like he kind of wanted to, like, live in the Bahamas with her.

[Fran]

He should just go live in the Bahamas.

[Austin]

Crossed his mind.

[Rhea]

Yeah. It seemed like it's.

[Austin]

He was like, is this, like, my lot in life to move to the Bahamas and, like, buy some real estate here?

[Rhea]

And she didn't really seem like she loved the idea.

[Austin]

Well, so basically what it is, in my opinion, is that. And. And in Craig's opinion, too, it is that to me, it was very, very obvious. So Shep had this relationship with Taylor. And I think it's the first time in his life that he, like, really had someone that, you know, he loved and cared about. And, you know, he had, like, a partner. You know, he. He, you know, messed up and they broke up, and. But I think that he's wanted that since. So then he kind of found, you know, this girl, and I. I guess that they can. And he just, like, wanted that, you know, connection again so bad that he was like, maybe it's supposed to be with her.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Austin]

And so he kind of just dove in to this thing where it probably just should have been like a. Hey, like, I met this girl in Raya, and she flew in, and we've had some fun times, and, you know, that's it. But I think that they. L'd each other hard, like, you know, early.

[Rhea]

Yeah. Yeah, it did seem that way, even just from.

[Austin]

They're like, I L. You.

[Rhea]

Yeah, right, right, right, right.

[Noah]

You.

[Austin]

You say that to her. You've hung out with her three times.

[Rhea]

I don't think I realized that she was a fan of the show or.

[Austin]

That was like a. Yeah, it's something like, her. Her. Her grandmother is, like, the founder of this charm fan club in the Bahamas.

[Rhea]

Or something like that.

[Fran]

A Southern charm fan club in the Bahamas?

[Austin]

Something like that.

[Fran]

Oh, my God.

[Rhea]

That's one.

[Fran]

I mean, that's amazing. Well, congrats to you guys.

[Rhea]

That's amazing.

[Fran]

You know what I mean?

[Rhea]

That's amazing.

[Fran]

Yeah, more like a congratulations rather than.

[Austin]

I mean, it's.

[Rhea]

Her grandma must have had a field day with the way.

[Fran]

Listen, if there's one in the Bahamas, there's got to be one in Brazil. And if you made it in Brazil, you made it everywhere. Of course, you know, come to Brazil. You've never seen on Instagram. That's the thing. Like, with, like, a famous person, they're always like, come to Brazil. That's the thing. So there's got to be a charm.

[Rhea]

Once you start Brazil. Yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

Then you've really made it. How did you feel being called, like, the biggest love bomber?

[Austin]

So I turned on the last, like, 15 minutes of Taylor's watch what happens live. I was like, let's see what's going on here.

[Rhea]

Yep.

[Fran]

And, like, you do every Sunday through Thursday.

[Austin]

Yeah, of course. And. And she was going in about, you know, Shep being one. And in my head, I was like, shep is not, like. Is not a love bomber. And I was like, huh? And then. And then she turned it to me, and I was like, okay, wait, what the hell just happened? And then Andy was like, okay, well, has. He'd done it to you? And she's like, no, no, no, you know, not me. And in my head, I was just like, taylor, what are you talking about? Like, who. Who have I love bombed?

[Fran]

Do you feel like you're a love bomber or, like, have.

[Austin]

No, but like, I. I did in a therapy session, talk to my therapist about. I was like. Because I have this thing where, like, I get off the phone with, like, a friend or something, you know, sometimes I'm like, all right, man. Love you. Right. Like, I say that to people.

[Rhea]

Yep. Yep.

[Austin]

And maybe at one point, like, I was doing that to. I mean, I don't think that I was doing that to Taylor. Right. But then my therapist was like, okay, you know, maybe just use that word as, like, an intentional, you know, word. And I was like, okay, like, I won't, you know, cal state the round. But I do not say that, you know, to women.

[Fran]

Yeah, I want to see that, you know, like, and love bombing could be.

[Austin]

I love you way just to get them to feel better some way. So I do not do that, because that's a huge word, and it. You know, it freaks me out.

[Fran]

About, like, love saying I love you. It's more just like a. You know, right off the bat when you're dating someone, you're going over the top of being, like, very serious right away, doing, like, you know, extreme romantic gestures for them right away. Like, that would be sort of love bomb.

[Rhea]

Yeah. Like, it's. I think she was like, some people, the way she was talking about it sounded like just saying I love you early on in a relationship, which isn't really fully the extent of what love bombing can be. It's, like, kind of more uses, like, a manipulative tactic to right somebody in early in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm, like, going over the trips I love, like, over. Yeah, all those things.

[Austin]

Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't. I. I don't think that that's the.

[Fran]

Way that tattoo on the first week.

[Rhea]

Right, Right.

[Austin]

I don't think that's the way that, like, I operate.

[Rhea]

So, you know, she's Taylor sometimes. Like, I was like, taylor, from what.

[Fran]

I've heard about you, it seems like you're more of, like, distant.

[Rhea]

So, like, just like, some of the things, like, sometimes I feel like Taylor blurts stuff out, and then she's like, ooh. I actually take that back.

[Austin]

That, like, that is more. So what happened, like, when she said it, I was like, taylor, I was like, you just Say things sometimes that I don't even know if you know what you're saying.

[Rhea]

Yeah, it goes back to, like, the crage. Just the Craig and Page thing. Wendy. Oh, my God.

[Fran]

Did anybody call them that?

[Austin]

I don't know.

[Rhea]

Oh, my God. I know. Damn. Okay, well, moving on from that.

[Fran]

Yeah, I mean, I like the best.

[Rhea]

I meant it, like, the rumor that Taylor was like, oh, Paige is, like, cheating or whatever, and everyone's like, what are you talking about?

[Austin]

Well, yeah. Why would you blurt that out? And you just made yourself, you know, look kind of silly.

[Rhea]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Austin]

And she has a history of blurting things out. And I was gonna text her about it and be like, what the hell was that? But I was just like. I think that that was just, like, a Taylorism.

[Fran]

Yeah. Yeah. On the Craig and Paige topic, I hope the best for both of them. I hope they both figure it out. You know what I mean? And I feel like.

[Rhea]

Did you find out publicly, like, when everybody else found out?

[Austin]

That is when I found out.

[Rhea]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Austin]

You know, and. And I. I.

[Rhea]

We should have called you, Rhian. Ria called me.

[Fran]

Amelie was like, see this? No, let me tell you. Fran texted me. I was in.

[Rhea]

She was in London.

[Fran]

And Fran texted me, and she was like, did you see the news about Paige and Craig? And I was like, what? Did they get engaged? And she was like, no, they broke up. And I was like, what? What? And then I was like, oh, my God, what happened? Like, we were like, whoa. You know, it was right around Christmas time.

[Austin]

I knew, you know, the writing was on the wall for me, and I was just like, you know, we opened our bar. Like, she didn't come down for the opening. And I know that, you know, she's busy. I'm not saying that she's not. You know, we all know that she's busy, but, like, you really do make time for the people that you care about. And so it was just, like, a couple of things, right? And then I just didn't think that, you know, she'd been at Charleston in ages. And Craig said that they had this whole plan for Christmas, and he told me this, like, right after Thanksgiving. He was like, so she's gonna come down here for four days, then we're go to Delaware for two days, and then we're gonna go to Albany for two or three days. And I was like, okay. And then he's like, and then we're gonna go to London. I noticed that they were both posting at home for Christmas, and I was like, they are not together. Right. And you know, even prior to that kind of when he told me about his plan for Christmas, you know, and. And I'm trying to, like, you know, delicately do this. I don't, like, you know, betray, you know, things that, you know, he said to me, but I just, like, had noticed. Right. And Craig doesn't typically open up about him and Paige.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Austin]

You know, like, I find out what you guys, you know, find out, like, on the show. Right. You know, he tends to be more honest on the show, you know, in certain capacities than, you know, he does to me. But, you know, he had said something to me, like along the lines of we, like, we just had like a talk on the phone for, you know, 30 minutes and, you know, she thinks that, like, I'm mad at her because, you know, she's super busy and blah, blah. And I was like, okay. I was like, that is like a normal thing, Craig. And I was like. And thank you for coming to me to say something because, you know, you rarely do. But. Yeah. And. And then I text him like, hey, well, when are you taking off for London? And me texting him, that was like. Was me being like, I know that something's wrong, right?

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Austin]

And I was like. And I was like, just say it. Just say it.

[Rhea]

Just like, say it.

[Austin]

And then he didn't say anything. And then the next day I was like, you know.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Austin]

And then he was like. He gave me a very run aroundy answer of like, we're like, we're not going to London and I'm going to Aspen. And then a couple days later, I saw the. And then I got texted him and was like, all right, man, you know, I'm here for you.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

All right, so let's do our last question presented by Truly Hard Seltzer.

[Fran]

Yes.

[Rhea]

Little ad read tossed right in here.

[Fran]

Look at that. In paradise. My favorite place.

[Rhea]

You know, I. Now that this has all happened, you said you're filming the reunion soon. What do you think is the path forward for your. For your friendship with Craig? Because you guys got it. You guys gotta get back together.

[Fran]

And we're. And listen, we're rooting for you both. We love you both and we want you guys sitting on this couch together having a good time with us again.

[Austin]

Look, the thing is too, is that sometimes I think it like annoys us when they always want to parish together. You know, first stuff, Right?

[Rhea]

Yeah, fair.

[Austin]

You know, sometimes it's like I'm my own person. Right. And Craig definitely feels that way Right.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Austin]

But I think that the chemistry that we have together is kind of like an undeniable thing. And so they love to Paris different things, and we bounce off each other really, really well. And that's just the way it is. I think that we are, like. We do things together really, really well. And I think that what needs to happen, because I think that at the root of it. And I'm going to workshop this here, you guys. It's just us talking, right?

[Fran]

Yeah. No one else hears us, and everyone can workshop it together.

[Austin]

I think that at the root of it, Craig has always viewed me as Mr. Season 4. And so I don't think that he's ever quite given me the respect level. Right. He's always like, if we're on season 30, he's like, but I've done it for four seasons longer than you. Right. And it's like, I think that at the root, it's always been that way a little bit. And he got picked on by Shep and Whitney to, you know, the ends of the earth. And then I came around, and Craig's like, ooh, I can kind of pick on Austin. And, yes, he's had some great friend moments on the show. Like, I love the way that he defended me to J.T. you know, when he accused me, you know, I was like. Like, I fist bumped. It's like, hell, yeah, Craig. You know, so I'm not saying that he's a shitty friend. I'm just saying he needs to, like, realize, you know, growth and that. Like, the same playing field and all this stuff. Right.

[Rhea]

And you know what? That is actually a pretty fair point because there probably is. And with you guys, there probably is, like, a sibling dynamic where it's like, he was always the younger brother, and then he had someone come along that, like, then could be his younger brother, and this, you know, just kind of becomes like, a cycle of, like, oh, well, they do.

[Austin]

Sure. And, like, a brotherly way is a good way to put it. Like, I do have, like, a lot of love, you know, for Craig.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Austin]

And you fight with, you know, your siblings.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Austin]

And that's the same way that I do it with Craig and with Shep.

[Fran]

And just, like, when you fight with your siblings, both of your feelings are valid. And sometimes just the way they get communicated just doesn't come across to each other. And everybody has a reasoning for doing something, and it's about finding that middle ground of, like, okay, I agree with you on that about myself, but you have to take some accountability there.

[Austin]

And, like, Both being able to take criticism is important.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Take accountability.

[Austin]

Takes criticism.

[Rhea]

Yeah. Well, I hope that you guys can hash it out. And if you do do it at the reunion, I hope you guys can also have that moment to really talk and not have like, everybody's out everybody else. I mean, even though we're giving our opinions right now, but like the other cast members to like, you know, off.

[Fran]

Camera too, like, do the reunion and then totally off camera.

[Austin]

I. I think that we are gonna come out of it, you know, better than ever and just be like, dude, you know, from this point on, like, yeah. And it. It was tough. Exactly what you're saying. That the cash trip. I began to talk to Craig and we were sitting around, like, even Madison and Ryan and Rod, you know, and. And they all started chiming in and I got up, I was like, craig, you and me are going over here talking solo. The peanut gallery is not what we need.

[Fran]

Right.

[Rhea]

Yep, exactly. That's. That's definitely what you guys need. So, you know, fingers crossed, everything works out.

[Fran]

We hope you guys can figure it out.

[Rhea]

You know, there's no pillows and beer. It's two together.

[Austin]

Come on.

[Fran]

It's together. It's like chicks in the office. It's not chick in the. In the office.

[Rhea]

You know what I mean?

[Austin]

And I actually think that's, you know, if Craig and I were to come out the other side and then it's like, boom. Pillows and beers back. Bigger and better than ever.

[Rhea]

Craig, think about the pillows and beer. Reunion tour. You could go on.

[Austin]

And we know that Craig loves the money.

[Rhea]

It sells itself. Yeah. All right, well, Austin, thanks for coming in and talking to us. We appreciate it. We know that this can be a little nerve wracking and everything. So we, you know, we're. We. We love chatting with you and we love you. We love. We love Craig.

[Fran]

Yeah. We're open to conversations with everybody. We want everyone to come in here and listen to all the feelings long.

[Austin]

You know, before Craig comes in here.

[Fran]

Right, exactly.

[Rhea]

Exactly. But, you know, we greatly appreciate it. Obviously, everybody tune in. The season has. It has been great. I mean, besides you guys fighting, there's a lot of other stuff going on as well too, and new people and new drama and who's who dated. Who's X and his X dated that. It really is crazy. Thursday nights.

[Fran]

Yes.

[Rhea]

Bravo 9 Easter. We are Eights 80s, right. Because now it's you end hospitality.

[Fran]

And you can watch on Peacock too. That's where I watch.

[Rhea]

Yeah. Tune in. 8:00. Southern Charm, 9:00 Southern Hospitality.

[Fran]

There you go.

[Rhea]

What a double. It's a double whammy. Thursday nights in Charleston.

[Austin]

I mean, Charleston.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Austin]

Who would have thought?

[Rhea]

Exactly. Charleston's producing some of the best reality TV right now.

[Fran]

There you go.

[Rhea]

Love it. All right, thank you.

[Austin]

Thanks, guys.

[Fran]

We're about to get into a great game of Beatri and Fran and this segment is sponsored by ouai. This is the Ouai to a healthy scalp. You can get to the root of your healthy hair goals with Ouais scalp care that will get your strands looking stronger, fuller and healthier. Their hair and body products are made to be effortless and work for you and your routine. Absolutely love ouai. You guys know it. I shout it from the rooftops. And with their scalp serum, it's absolutely amazing. Can use it morning or night, whatever you prefer. And my personal favorite product is the leave in conditioner which I've been using for years. This is the way to a healthy scalp. It starts here. Go to t h o u a I dot com and use code chicks for 15% off any product that's t h o u a I dot com code chicks. All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another game of Beatrie and Fran. We are joined by Robin and Kaylee. And let me tell you, these two are some dedicated chicks in the office. Live show attendees. They've been to three shows. We know them by now. They're our friends by now. Welcome to the show, ladies.

[Kaylee]

Thank you.

[Austin]

Thank you.

[Robin]

We're so pumped to be here.

[Kaylee]

So excited.

[Fran]

We are super excited. You guys have a great setup up going on. I love it.

[Rhea]

Glad to have you guys on trivia for the first time.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kaylee]

It's been a long time coming.

[Noah]

Yes, it has.

[Fran]

It has been.

[Rhea]

Noah can confirm.

[Fran]

Yes. But we are ready to go if you guys are ready.

[Robin]

Yeah, let's do it.

[Fran]

Do it.

[Rhea]

Awesome. All right, so it's 15 questions. If you've got the question right, you get the point. If you get it wrong, the other team can steal the point. Whoever has the most points at the end wins. To determine who goes first, Noah is going to give us a movie. We're going to guess the Rotten tomatoes critic score of that movie. Whoever is the closest will get to go first. We will alternate between teams. Everyone get thrown individual guests. Noah, what is today's movie?

[Noah]

Today's movie is Mike and Dave need wedding dates.

[Rhea]

Okay. All right, so one of you ladies guess first.

[Robin]

I'm gonna go 53.

[Rhea]

Maria.

[Fran]

I was gonna guess 43, but I'm gonna change it. I'm gonna go 30. 39.

[Rhea]

Okay.

[Kaylee]

I'm gonna go 28. Just for fun.

[Rhea]

I'm gonna say 60.

[Noah]

Second week in a row that Ria's one off. 38.

[Fran]

38.

[Rhea]

Wow.

[Fran]

Yay. My spidey senses are tingling.

[Rhea]

Seriously.

[Noah]

All right.

[Rhea]

On your game.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Noah]

Question number one. To re infran, shout out to Sam from Montreal in the wizard of Oz. Who did Dorothy say? I think I'm missing most of all, too.

[Rhea]

There's only so many options, you know, Scarecrow. Was it a scarecrow or was it lion? Scarecrow.

[Fran]

Let's go Scarecrow.

[Rhea]

Okay.

[Fran]

Scarecrow.

[Noah]

Correct.

[Fran]

Nice.

[Noah]

Yeah, something about that sounds right.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Because, like, you wouldn't expect it because he's the scarecrow, you know?

[Noah]

Okay, one. Nothing. Ran. Fran, question number two to Robin and Kaylee, shout out Taylor from Indianapolis. What actor plays the bad guy in the movie Spy Kids?

[Kaylee]

Oh, I've seen this.

[Robin]

Well, it's not Flute Flubli. Alan Cummings.

[Kaylee]

Oh, yeah, right. Yeah, it's Flute Flubli. Yeah, right.

[Robin]

The traitors. All right, final answer.

[Noah]

Correct.

[Fran]

Nice.

[Noah]

I just recently discovered this this past week.

[Rhea]

Oh, really?

[Austin]

Whoa.

[Rhea]

Yeah, that is him.

[Noah]

I didn't know he was an actor.

[Rhea]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Noah]

I was like, I thought he just did this.

[Fran]

How do you think he got this most coveted role?

[Rhea]

God, you thought he was just doing this?

[Noah]

No, and then I'm like, I saw him. I'm like, wow, he's like a real actor.

[Rhea]

Alan Cumming is.

[Fran]

Alan Cummings has my dream job right now.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

To host Traitors.

[Noah]

I mean, that would be the best.

[Fran]

Insane.

[Kaylee]

The best.

[Noah]

Okay, tied up at one. Question number three to rean Fran, shout out Matt from Marlboro. Demi Lovato made her Disney Channel debut as Charlotte Adams in what short show series?

[Fran]

This is us. As the bell rings.

[Rhea]

As the bell rings. Yeah.

[Fran]

Yes.

[Rhea]

Yes. Yes.

[Fran]

As the bell rings.

[Noah]

Correct.

[Fran]

Z, Y, X, W.

[Noah]

Okay, two, one. Rhianne. Fran. Question number four. Shout out Maria from Maine. And it's Robin and Kaylee in all too well. The 10 minute version. Taylor's version. Taylor Swift mentions Turning what age?

[Robin]

21.

[Kaylee]

Turning 21. Final answer.

[Noah]

Correct.

[Fran]

Nice.

[Noah]

Off to a hot start.

[Fran]

A nice little back and forth.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Nice game of tennis.

[Rhea]

There's like challengers out here.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Noah]

Okay, tied up at 2. Question number 5. To re and Fran, shout out Eileen from Long island on Friends. How does Ross find out about Monica and Chandler's secret relationship?

[Rhea]

Oh, isn't it like everybody else finds out?

[Fran]

Yeah, it's like everyone because of Phoebe. With Phoebe and Chandler Yeah, I think it's because of Phoebe and Chandler, like, that whole scene. And he's like, I'm gonna go with because of. Because of Phoebe and Chandler.

[Noah]

Incorrect.

[Robin]

So he sees him through the window at.

[Rhea]

Right, yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he's in the apartment across the street.

[Noah]

Right?

[Fran]

Right.

[Noah]

Correct.

[Rhea]

Yep.

[Fran]

Bam.

[Robin]

All right, friends, people, over here. Huge friends.

[Kaylee]

Yeah.

[Noah]

Three, two.

[Fran]

I want to go to the Experience in New York City.

[Noah]

I did see people there.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kaylee]

That's awesome.

[Noah]

Three, two. Robin and Kaylee. And this is question number six. To them, shout out Taylor from Indianapolis in what a girl wants. What cereal does Amanda Bynes eat late at night with her dad?

[Robin]

Oh, I used to love this movie, and I have not seen it in so long.

[Kaylee]

It's been ages. Like a Sweet Potato Puffs, Froot Loops, Cheerios. Naming cereals.

[Robin]

I know. Could be any of them.

[Kaylee]

Go with your cat.

[Robin]

Oh, no.

[Noah]

15 seconds.

[Robin]

I'm gonna go. Cocoa Puff's final answer.

[Noah]

Correct.

[Rhea]

Wow.

[Fran]

There you go. That was. You knew that. That was instinct right there.

[Rhea]

I also love that movie. I think I've seen that. I watch that movie all the time.

[Kaylee]

I was just singing the Christina Aguilera.

[Rhea]

Song in my head the whole time.

[Robin]

Oh, yeah.

[Fran]

Classic.

[Robin]

Yeah, Robin.

[Fran]

Thank you.

[Noah]

Okay, four, two. Robin and Kaylee, this is question number seven to Riggin Fran, shout out Sarah from Louisville, Kentucky, in SpongeBob SquarePants. What is the name of the vehicle that Mermaid man and Barnacle Boy drive?

[Fran]

The something mobile.

[Rhea]

It's invisible.

[Fran]

The invisimobile.

[Rhea]

What the is it called? Is that what it's called?

[Fran]

The Invis Mobile?

[Rhea]

Oh, no.

[Noah]

Fifteen seconds, I think.

[Fran]

Let's go. Invisimobile. Okay. Unless you have a different answer.

[Rhea]

No, I don't.

[Fran]

All right. Invisible.

[Noah]

Incorrect.

[Kaylee]

Robin and Kaylee, he threw mobile.

[Robin]

No, I don't. I don't know if it has to do with invisible. The Mermaid mobile came to mind.

[Kaylee]

But he's. Mermaid.

[Robin]

I know. I. What if it's.

[Kaylee]

What if it's an invisible mobile instead of Invisimobile?

[Robin]

This doesn't sound right to me, but if you feel strongly about it.

[Fran]

I don't.

[Rhea]

Okay.

[Noah]

10 seconds.

[Kaylee]

The macho Mobile.

[Robin]

No, I think we. I think. Okay, I'm gonna. I wanna go with my answer. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Mermaid mobile. Final answer.

[Noah]

Incorrect. It's the Invisible Boatmobile.

[Rhea]

Invisible Boat Mobile. Yeah. To the Invisible Boatmobile. That's what they say.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

All I knew was that thing was invisible.

[Robin]

I could disappear. Yeah.

[Noah]

Okay. Four to Robin. And Kaylee still. Question number eight. Shout out Ashley. And this is to Robin and Kaylee. Name. This year, Game of Thrones premieres. Oprah's final TV episode airs. The final Harry Potter movie comes out.

[Robin]

It's around there for sure. God, I'm so bad at the years.

[Kaylee]

I know. Me too. 2011, Oprah, final Harry Potter movie.

[Robin]

That's what I'm trying.

[Noah]

That's what I'm holding on to.15 seconds. What was the first thing Game of Thrones premieres? Oprah's final TV episode. Finally, Harry Potter.

[Kaylee]

I like either 0, 9, or 10.

[Noah]

Five seconds.

[Kaylee]

2010.

[Fran]

Final answer incorrect. Is it 2011?

[Rhea]

I think it's 11. My gut's leaning 11.

[Fran]

I'm between 11 and 9.

[Rhea]

So what did they say? 2010, part two. Harry Potter, part two.

[Noah]

Yeah, the final Harry Potter movie.

[Rhea]

I think 11.

[Fran]

All right, 2011.

[Noah]

Correct.

[Fran]

Nice.

[Robin]

Oh, so close.

[Noah]

All right, four, three. Robin and Kaylee. And this is question number nine. To re and Fran, shout out Taylor from Indianapolis. What actress is in these movies? What happens in Vegas? The dilemma. Hairspray.

[Rhea]

I don't know what the dilemma is.

[Fran]

Yeah, me either.

[Rhea]

What? What do. What Actor?

[Noah]

What? Actress?

[Rhea]

Actress.

[Noah]

15 seconds.

[Fran]

What happens in Vegas?

[Rhea]

I can only think of the.

[Noah]

Five seconds.

[Fran]

I'm completely blanking.

[Rhea]

I know, I know, I know. Michelle Pfeiffer.

[Noah]

Final answer to Robin and Keeley.

[Robin]

What happens in Vegas? I know is Cameron Diaz and Ashton Kutcher.

[Kaylee]

Okay.

[Robin]

But I don't know what the dilemma is. And I haven't seen Hairspray in a really, really long time.

[Kaylee]

I was thinking, like, Jennifer Anderson, but that can't be right. And then I was thinking, who's in everything?

[Fran]

Jennifer.

[Kaylee]

Judy Greer.

[Robin]

But no, I was thinking, I like, I would. If we need to just throw out a guess, I would want to go Cameron Diaz, because I know for a fact she's in what Happens in Vegas. But it also could be one of the, like, that's in a bunch of stuff, but I don't know.

[Kaylee]

Let's go Cameron Diaz.

[Robin]

Okay, Cameron Diaz.

[Noah]

Final answer incorrect.

[Rhea]

It's her friend. But what's her friend's name?

[Noah]

Queen Latifah. Oh, the dilemma is Vince Vaughn and Kevin James and Queen Latifah.

[Rhea]

Oh, my God. She plays their therapist. Oh, yeah. And what happens in Vegas?

[Fran]

Oh, right.

[Rhea]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Noah]

Therapists are, like, the legal.

[Rhea]

In my mind, I was going through Hairspray, and I went, I got the Queen Latifah. And I was like, she's not in what happens in Vegas. Yeah.

[Noah]

All right.

[Fran]

Did she play the judge in what happens in Vegas?

[Noah]

No, it's like the person who decides if she can keep the money.

[Rhea]

You're right. You're right. She's the judge.

[Noah]

Is it the judge or, like, the.

[Rhea]

She's a judge.

[Noah]

She decides if they have, like.

[Rhea]

Yeah, the person who makes the decisions is the judge.

[Noah]

But I thought.

[Rhea]

I feel like she's not the lawyer.

[Noah]

But she was, like, meeting with them in, like, rooms every week.

[Rhea]

Wasn't she, like a mediator maybe? Yeah, she was a judge. I feel like I see her sitting behind the. The thing.

[Fran]

She was a marriage counselor.

[Rhea]

Marriage counselor. For the first time ever, the Challenge All Stars is coming exclusively to MTV, but this time with a major twist. 13 all star pairs of rivals will need to work together to win together in MTV's the Challenge All Stars Rivals. That's right. Thirteen of the bitterest all Star pairs of rivalries in Challenge history are going to have to get along together if they want to win the title of All Stars champion. We're talking exes, frenemies, and all time worst enemies partnering up. Including challenge favorites Nani and Turbo, Aneesa and Ashley, M. Leroy and Devin. I personally cannot believe, like, we're seeing Nani and Turbo have to work to work with each other again, because that has not gone well. Anissa and Ashley, it's gonna be great tv. No other season has so much tension, drama, or bad blood. This might just be the most challenging All Star season yet. You think you can make it work with your worst enemy? Don't miss MTV's the Challenge All Stars Rivals. All new Wednesday at 8, 7 Central on MTV.

[Noah]

4, 3. Still Robin and Kaylee. And this is question number 10 to Robin and Kaylee. I'm gonna play a movie clip and you tell me what movie it's from.

[Rhea]

Don't try anything. I'm gonna kill myself, so don't try to stop me.

[Austin]

Uh, okay.

[Noah]

What do you mean, okay?

[Rhea]

I don't mean okay.

[Austin]

Just give me a second. I should say something to you here.

[Rhea]

Don't really know what it is. Man, you're terrible at this. Are you even a car? Hold on a second. I'm thinking. Um. Right.

[Kaylee]

You gonna guess me?

[Robin]

That seems like it could be Jim Carrey.

[Kaylee]

He's on the ledge. And then they start singing that song. I wish you could step back from.

[Fran]

That ledge, my friend.

[Robin]

I feel like you know this well.

[Kaylee]

But is that the Jim Carrey movie that I'm thinking of?

[Robin]

I don't know. I trust you, though.

[Kaylee]

Okay. Yes, man.

[Noah]

Final answer correct. Nice.

[Kaylee]

I've seen that movie way too much.

[Noah]

I used to always watch that movie. I don't know why.

[Kaylee]

Love that movie.

[Noah]

Okay, five, three. Robin and Kaylee and this. Question number 11. To re and Fran shout out Michaela from Newton, Massachusetts. In the movie Stick It. Haley's teammate Mena gets points deducted from her near perfect routine for an unfair reason, resulting in all the gymnasts to rebel against the judges. What was the reason for her points being deducted?

[Rhea]

Bra strap sticking out. Final Answer correct.

[Noah]

Okay, five for Robin and Kaylee. And this is question number 12. To them, shout out Lindsay from Cork, Ireland, in Gilmore Girls. How many yellow daisies does Max propose to Lori? Lorelei.

[Fran]

With Lorelei?

[Kaylee]

Is it a thousand?

[Rhea]

It's just all you.

[Kaylee]

It fills up the whole Dragonfly Inn, like.

[Robin]

Well, then a thousand sounds good.

[Kaylee]

Or was it the Firefly Inn at the time? I think it's a thousand.

[Robin]

Okay.

[Kaylee]

Yep, a thousand. Final answer correct.

[Rhea]

It was a lot of flowers he tried.

[Noah]

All right, six, four. Robin and Kaylee. Question number 13 to re and Fran, shout out Samantha and Taylor from Arlington, Virginia. One Direction was formed in 2010 on the X Factor UK. Which pop star was the deciding vote on Nile making it through to boot camp?

[Rhea]

I thought this was going to be a different question. Is it Nicole? It was like, she's the one.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

Nicole Scherzinger, Sure. Yeah. Final answer.

[Noah]

Am correct.

[Fran]

Oh, that's the other one.

[Kaylee]

I don't know.

[Fran]

Paul Outdoor or something.

[Kaylee]

Is she on that?

[Robin]

No, no, it's not. Mel B. I don't know.

[Rhea]

Would she have that?

[Robin]

She was on X Factor at one time as a judge.

[Kaylee]

Okay.

[Robin]

That would be my guess.

[Kaylee]

Let's do it.

[Robin]

Mel B.

[Noah]

Final answer incorrect. Katy Perry.

[Fran]

Katy Perry, Damn. I didn't know that.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Robin]

I'm like, he was on America's Got Talent.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Robin]

Dang it.

[Noah]

Two questions left. And Robin, kaylee are up six, four. It's question number 14. To them, shout out Taylor from Indianapolis in the movie Knocked Up. What is Katherine Heigl's character's job?

[Kaylee]

She's a television anchor. Like, a pop culture television anchor. Like, she'll be, like, on the red.

[Robin]

Carpet, like, E. News kind of vibe.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Robin]

Okay.

[Kaylee]

Final answer correct.

[Rhea]

Yep.

[Fran]

Nice.

[Noah]

I don't know if I would have given that to you if you didn't say E. News at the end, because it was specifically.

[Fran]

That's.

[Noah]

That's a victory right there.

[Fran]

You guys killed that.

[Rhea]

Crushed us.

[Fran]

That was a good back and forth for just a little bit until you guys you guys pulled away there, but.

[Noah]

We'Ll do the final one.

[Fran]

One last question.

[Noah]

Question number 15 to re and Fran, shout out Elizabeth from St. Louis. What was Countess Luanne from the Real Housewives of New York's debut single, money.

[Fran]

Can'T buy you Glass.

[Rhea]

Was that her first one? Yeah. Has to be.

[Fran]

I feel like it has to, you know. All right, we'll go with that.

[Noah]

Correct.

[Fran]

Nice.

[Noah]

Seven, five.

[Fran]

Damn. Close game. Close game. Congrats, guys. That was awesome.

[Rhea]

Gosh. Say, you know, sometimes the friends questions, really, we should be better at those.

[Fran]

We should be.

[Rhea]

We, like, really should be better. The amount that we don't get. Right, right?

[Fran]

It is. It's like. And then when you know them, you know, but when you don't, it's, like, tough. It's easy to switch up.

[Rhea]

I think that was, like, a pretty easy one, right? For sure. For sure.

[Robin]

You were totally on the right track with.

[Rhea]

No, no. Yeah.

[Fran]

Right?

[Robin]

I mean, the whole.

[Rhea]

Yeah, we're missing the timeline. You guys don't have to make us feel better. Yeah. Amazing game.

[Fran]

Very deserved.

[Rhea]

Well done. Well done.

[Fran]

Very great game, guys. Thank you so much for playing. It was so great seeing you guys again. And you guys get shirts that say you beat us, so congratulations. Noah will be in contact with you guys to send that over.

[Rhea]

We expect to see you at the next show wearing the T shirts.

[Fran]

Exactly. For sure. Exactly. Thank you guys so much.

[Rhea]

Bye, guys. Thanks, guys.

[Fran]

All right, that wraps up today's episode of Chicks in the Office. Thank you so much for watching and listening. We love you guys so very much. We hope you have. Have a fantastic weekend, and we'll talk to you on Monday.