Charli XCX & Jack Antonoff Collab, John Mayer & Kat Stickler? + Lukas Gage Interview

Summary

Chicks in the Office — Episode Summary

Episode: Charli XCX & Jack Antonoff Collab, John Mayer & Kat Stickler? + Lukas Gage Interview
Date: October 15, 2025
Hosts: Ria & Fran (Barstool Sports)
Special Guest: Lukas Gage

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Ria and Fran cover a range of hot pop culture topics, from surprising celebrity romances and rumored music industry feuds, to reality TV news and a candid interview with actor/author Lukas Gage. The Chicks keep listeners filled in on everything from John Mayer's dating life, to the Bachelor Mansion's HGTV makeover, and take audience calls on everything from Dancing with the Stars cameras to who the next Bachelor should be.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

🎈 Catching Up & Birthday Banter (03:14–08:24)

• The team celebrates Noah’s 30th birthday, with playful ribbing about aging and past birthday celebrations.
  • "Welcome to the other side." (Ria, 04:51)
  • "Your life continues to change, but a number, they say." (Fran, 05:32)
• Fran talks about attending a concert at Terminal 5 and her ongoing issues with the venue—overcrowding, poor visibility, and frustrating exits.
  • “Every time I go there, I'm like, why am I here?” (Ria, 11:56)
• The group shares exhaustion and jet lag stories post-Singapore trip.

🤦‍♀️ Unforgettable Elevator Story (15:08–26:21)

• Fran recounts a shocking and hilarious incident of being slapped on the butt by a little boy in her apartment elevator.
  • “This little boy just smacked my ass right in the open... He is dying laughing.” (Fran, 16:27)
• Discussion on parenting surprises, boundary-setting, and how kids’ wild cards in public can be both mortifying and funny.
  • “Having a little boy can be such a wild card.” (Ria, 20:45)
• The Chicks riff on what age such behavior stops being funny and what it’s like to be “the victim,” keeping the tone light and relatable.

💑 John Mayer & Kat Stickler Dating Rumors (28:04–39:38)

• The team dives into US Weekly’s reporting and fan theories about John Mayer pursuing TikTok star Kat Stickler.
• Noah expresses mild devastation but keeps it light:
  • "You're better than this, John. I'm sorry to say it." (Noah, 30:23)
  • Ria and Fran debate if celebrity pairings should “match” in status—landing on “date who you want.”
  • Speculation over how the story leaked and whether Kat would tell everyone about Mayer ("I'm telling the barista at my coffee place. I'm telling everybody!” —Ria, 33:37)
• Recap on how quickly Kat split from her previous boyfriend and when/whether she and John started talking.
• Playful admits that Mayer is a follower of Stickler on Instagram, confirming “the Madar is on” (John Mayer radar).

🎶 Charli XCX, Jack Antonoff, and the Taylor Swift 'Feud' (39:46–52:23)

• Charli XCX collaborating with Jack Antonoff on music for an upcoming Anne Hathaway movie sparks speculation about his friendship with Taylor Swift.
• Vanity Fair profile notes Charli’s comments on tour documentaries being “oversaturated,” which fans connect to Swift's recent film.
• The Chicks consider Twitter analysis of relationship drama, Jack Antonoff’s alleged “moody” persona, and how internet fandoms dissect every move.
  • “Sometimes you're like, where do your loyalties lie?" (Fran, 47:05)
  • Both express a desire for less drama, more music.
• “We just need you to be a little more clear. Like, mention the word ‘brat’ or something. Just for clarification!” (Fran, 52:12)

🏠 Reality TV News Hot Takes (52:41–61:20)

Bachelor Mansion Makeover

• Bachelor Mansion to get a revamp as the focus of an HGTV competition show, hosted by Tyler Cameron and Tayshia Adams.
• Fran and Ria run through the cast, speculate on the format, and joke about how every Bachelor Nation personality is now a home designer.
  • "Did they just create a show for Tyler Cameron?" (Fran, 53:08)

Teresa Giudice & Joe Gorga’s Potential Reconciliation

• The Chicks discuss rumors NJ Housewives siblings might reunite for family—and camera—reasons.
• They analyze Teresa and Joe’s patterns, noting: "There's gotta be mutual apologies from both ends because I'm sure nobody's innocent." (Fran, 59:44)

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📞 Popcorner: Listener Calls & Hot Takes (62:11–76:41)

Dancing With The Stars Camera Angles (62:19)

• Caller complains about DWTS’s dizzying camera moves.
• Fran disagrees: "I think the cinematography is awesome.”

Love Island Games Fatigue (64:44)

• Caller & hosts agree there’s been too much Love Island, too soon; viewership is dropping due to show fatigue.

Next Bachelor/Bachelorette Fan Picks (67:10)

• Wild suggestions: Robert Irwin, Brooks Nader, Austin Kroll, Craig Conover (hosts agree Craig would “actually be perfect”).

Britney Mimics? (70:39)

• Caller says too many pop stars copy Britney Spears; Fran and Ria disagree, seeing most as original or, for Addison Rae, “a student of the pop star game.”

John Krasinski vs. Ryan Reynolds (72:51)

• Hot take: "John Krasinski is who Ryan Reynolds wishes he was.”
• Fran confesses she never loved Ryan Reynolds, says John “has the best public image.”

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🗣️ Interview: Lukas Gage — Actor & Author (77:49–121:56)

About “I Wrote This for Attention”

• Lukas opens up about his memoir's cheeky title, “I Wrote This for Attention,” describing the pushback he got from publishers who took it too literally.
  • "The whole point is, like, you’re gonna get scrutinized—so you might as well make the joke first." (Lukas, 78:41)
• On writing the book, he reflects:
  • “I had a vulnerability hangover... but ultimately, it doesn’t belong to me anymore.” (Lukas, 79:10)
• Using his childhood journals helped reconstruct vivid memories, though he admits, “Some things have been embellished... But, you know, everything in there is factual.” (Lukas, 82:33)

On Truth, Lying & Perspective

• “Everyone's a liar. And I think, you know, I frame it in a way, especially as a kid—it was a way to try to change the narrative.” (Lukas, 83:41)
• The book’s opener, “I killed a kid,” was a metaphor (not a confession!) about identity, designed to hook readers.

Viral Audition & Sudden Public Life

• The viral audition Zoom incident (director trash-talking Lukas while unmuted) "absolutely" changed things:
  • “I would be lying if I said that didn’t change the trajectory of my life and didn’t affect me... but it’s not always a good thing to get that kind of attention.” (Lukas, 86:15)
• Speaking on his brief marriage being publicized:
  • “...it did feel like I didn’t make my mark as an actor yet—like, this is not what it’s about. This is not what I wanted.” (89:13)
• Lukas credits his family for approving difficult stories, especially about addiction and his brother.
  • “For him to be cool with that is really cool... because it’s not his story. I have to be like—someone might read that and not want to work with you, but people change.” (109:48)

Mental Health, Borderline Personality Disorder, and Honesty

• He reflects on being diagnosed with borderline personality disorder after a devastating breakup, and how hard it’s been to talk publicly:
  • “When writing [the] book, I was like, screw that. Let’s stop stigmatizing it. I’m not a nightmare to work with... it’s a part of me, not all of me.” (94:44)

Candid About Family

• Fran and Ria praise the detailed family narrative; Lukas says his mom was incredible despite hardships.
  • “You can be the best parent... but they’re out in the world and you have no control.” (107:16)
• Discussed the universal nature of “family shit” and being honest about messiness helps break social-media illusions.

Acting & Bravo Fandom

• Started acting young—acting camp at 9 or 10 "sealed the deal."
• Recounts White Lotus and Euphoria audition stories, being on set with Jennifer Coolidge ("everything you would want... she is so funny and so kind" —100:23).
• Ends with a deep dive into Bravo—speaks lovingly of Vanderpump Rules, Salt Lake City Housewives, his desire to work on Below Deck (“as a deckhand, not a guest!" 117:27). Chicks promise to bring him back just to talk Bravo.

Notable Lukas Quotes

• "Some things have been embellished and, you know, my version or my perspective of what I think is true—and that's how stories are told.” (82:01)
• “I want to be that unapologetically myself and that, like, take it or leave it, baby.” (102:15)

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Memorable Moments / Notable Quotes

• “This little boy just smacked my ass...in the middle of my cheek. Genuinely a stunning turn of events.” —Fran, 16:27
• “You're better than this, John.” —Noah on Mayer/Stickler rumors, 30:23
• “You love who you love.” —Noah, 38:06
• “Jack Antonoff could be a real moody son of a bitch.” —Fran, 45:23
• “Vanderpump Rules is the best reality show ever made.” —Lukas Gage, 121:06
• “You guys are the Barbara Walters of our generation. Not kidding.” —Lukas Gage, 116:14

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:14 — Noah’s 30th birthday chat
• 08:24 — Fran's Terminal 5 concert rant
• 15:08 — Fran’s elevator “ass slap” story
• 28:04 — John Mayer & Kat Stickler dating rumors
• 39:46 — Charli XCX/Jack Antonoff/Taylor Swift feud discussion
• 52:41 — Bachelor Mansion home makeover show
• 57:00 — Teresa Giudice & Joe Gorga family news
• 62:11 — Popcorner: Listener hot takes
• 77:49 — Lukas Gage interview (deep-dive sections at: 78:41, 82:01, 94:44, 102:15, 109:48)
• 121:06 — Bravo TV lightning round with Lukas

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Tone & Style

• Fast-paced, playful, and irreverent—banter between hosts and guests
• Self-aware honesty—willing to make fun of themselves and pop culture at large
• Inclusive of listener opinions, keeping content crowd-sourced and interactive

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode delivers signature Chicks in the Office energy: relatable stories, up-to-the-minute celebrity news, insightful (sometimes gossipy) breakdowns of trending media relationships and music drama, and a thoughtful, vulnerable celebrity interview. If you want to keep up with pop culture and enjoy unfiltered, smart conversation with a comedic twist, this episode is for you.

Transcript

[Ria]

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[Fran]

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[Lucas Gage]

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[Lucas Gage]

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[Intro Rapper]

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[Ria]

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[Ria]

What's up, everyone?

[Fran]

It's chicks in the office with Ria and Fran giving you that Friday energy on a Wednesday. Happy Wednesday, everybody. Happy birthday to Noah. When this comes out, officially 30, all the climbing up the ladder to reach that milestone, we have made it. So a big happy birthday to Noah and make sure you guys are, you know, DMing him, wishing him happy birthday. A couple comments here and there, show him some love. How we feeling?

[Noah]

Old, but good. Really? I mean, literally, I'm older, I guess, every day, but it's hard to not feel old.

[Fran]

30S.

[Noah]

You're entering a decade.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Is it. Does it feel a tad anticlimactic that you've celebrated your birthday so many times before actually turning 30?

[Noah]

Yeah. This has been, like, the longest birthday ever.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Noah]

And I'm. I've always said I'm a. Not a birthday guy, like, at all. I. I used to fake sick in school on my birthday so I didn't have to go in and, like, have the whole, like, it's Noah's birthday thing.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Noah]

So I've always just.

[Ria]

All this is impolito that I know.

[Fran]

You'Ve made up for it all, from all those years of hiding until Singapore.

[Noah]

It wasn't really about the birthday party. It was more just like, 30. Before 30, it was more about the list. But, like, obviously it's centered around, like, before my birthday. But it wasn't like, happy birthday, Noah.

[Ria]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

But there were a couple. The dance studio.

[Noah]

That's true. Yeah. But it was. It felt farther away, and now it's here.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Noah]

I'm sure, like, next week I'll Forget.

[Ria]

That I'm 30, but welcome to the other side.

[Noah]

Yeah. Hey, it was a good run.

[Ria]

Yeah. Made it.

[Noah]

20S were a good run.

[Ria]

Yeah, they are. They are a good run. But 30s are good.

[Noah]

I hope so.

[Fran]

So negative.

[Noah]

No, I'm not negative. I just. That's, like. In reality, nothing's gonna change.

[Ria]

No. Nope.

[Fran]

Still living your best life.

[Ria]

Yep. Not much has changed. Not much has changed. I feel like.

[Noah]

No, I don't think. Like, what. What is there to Change. I feel like it's the same thing when you're like, after you get married, it's like nothing really changed, you know, like, it's just like a thing that happens and then.

[Ria]

Yep.

[Fran]

Like, I'm.

[Noah]

Your life.

[Ria]

Continues to change, but a number, they say.

[Fran]

Yeah. Any exciting plans or. Not really.

[Noah]

Tomorrow I'm gonna have dinner with my. My family. Except for my sister because apparently I'm not important enough for her to travel to the city and have dinner with, but.

[Ria]

Well, she doesn't live here.

[Noah]

She lives in Boston. It's not that far.

[Ria]

The middle of the week and she lives in Boston.

[Fran]

Yeah. She's got school.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah.

[Noah]

And then. Yeah.

[Ria]

Not crazy.

[Noah]

You know, grab some drinks, some friends probably, but nothing crazy. Not a crazy birthday guy.

[Fran]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Not at all. Not at all. Super low key.

[Ria]

Soaked it all up in Singapore.

[Noah]

Yeah. You know what? We celebrated my birthday enough. All right.

[Fran]

Well, we just wanted to acknowledge it.

[Noah]

Thank you.

[Ria]

We made it. I feel like we're all crossing the finish line.

[Fran]

Right?

[Ria]

You know?

[Noah]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm happy we did it.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

I'm glad.

[Ria]

Do you have all the notes, sticky notes up behind you?

[Noah]

Yeah, they're all there. You didn't think I had that ready yesterday.

[Ria]

I know you did. I just. I just all 30 kind of, you.

[Fran]

Know, pose in front of it.

[Ria]

I can't see them from my.

[Noah]

What's left? There's nothing left to like.

[Ria]

I can't see them from my chair. So.

[Fran]

On your birthday, you should do.

[Noah]

Yeah, maybe.

[Fran]

Of you standing in front of.

[Noah]

I feel like at some point people are going to be like, we get really milking. You already fucking said you completed it. Now you're like, no, you can have.

[Fran]

One more on your birthday.

[Noah]

I think I'm honestly of the. Like, when I actually started the list, I was like, damn, wait, that's a lot. Like I have to post that many times because I don't. I don't really. Yeah, I hadn't really posted.

[Ria]

Well, it's good for your social media.

[Fran]

Presence, I guess, but people are begging for more.

[Noah]

I was like, oh, I'm annoy the.

[Ria]

Did you get. Did you gain a lot of followers?

[Noah]

Like a little bit, I guess. I don't think that. I don't think that many. Honestly. The collab maybe was like, we don't need to follow him. We'll just see it on chicks, you know, Fair, true. Maybe it backfired.

[Fran]

The post did do well, though. They did very into it.

[Noah]

Yeah. I'll miss the collab post.

[Fran]

Those were fun so this chapter comes to a close, and everybody can wish Noah a happy birthday.

[Noah]

If you'd like to continue to follow my journey past 30, you're gonna have to follow me. The collab post stopped now.

[Fran]

Yeah, who knows? Who knows? Maybe you'll do something exciting and you'll get a big collab. Who's to say, hey, you're next.

[Noah]

People are saying, for this 30 list.

[Fran]

Yeah, we'll see. Find me next summer when I turn 29.

[Noah]

And we'll say, but give yourself a head start.

[Ria]

You got a lot of time.

[Fran]

Yeah, I'll start thinking about it in the spring.

[Ria]

No one like, you're. No one's like, invested that early, you know? Like, it's like if she says, oh, I'm starting this list now, two years. It's like, people are like, okay.

[Fran]

The other day I thought to myself, where can I even begin? And I. And a year. It was already too much of me thinking about it. So I said, all right, I'll start. Start thinking about this end of spring. Yep. You know? Yeah, we'll see.

[Ria]

I think that makes sense.

[Fran]

Yeah, we'll see what happens. How else are we feeling besides Noah's big three?

[Ria]

Oh, good, good. I know we. We really caught up on. On Singapore on Monday. I went to a concert Sunday night at Terminal 5, and I just want to take two seconds to complain about that being the worst place to ever exist.

[Fran]

Really.

[Ria]

It's just the worst venue. The, like, the worst.

[Noah]

I actually don't know. Like, it's so similar to the other venues in New York.

[Ria]

No, it's. It's way worse, in my opinion.

[Noah]

Why, though? Like. Like, to me, it's like Webster Hall, Terminal 5. Like, it's all the same.

[Ria]

Like, no, because it's just like the. The setup is not great. Have they. I feel like they pack people in there way more than other venues. And I don't know if it's just because this was. The show wasn't supposed to be. Went to see Royal Otis. It wasn't supposed to be there. Supposed to be a pier 17. But because the weather was so shitty.

[Noah]

They saw they were there that they.

[Ria]

Moved it to Terminal 5. And I think maybe, like, I was so squished, I had to Google. I was Googling the capacity of each to be like. I was like, did they fill this place?

[Noah]

Fran was counting everyone. There's too many people here.

[Ria]

Pier 17 holds more people. So I was like, if that show was sold out and then they put Everybody in Terminal 5, there's hundreds more people here. Than there's. Than there should be. And that's how I felt. So they broke the rules, and that's how I felt. And. No, but it's just, like, one of those places where you get frustrated with how it's set up because it's. The levels are all fine. And. And, you know, if you. If you wait. If you get there early and you wait in the whole line, you do the whole thing, then, like, you're fine, but then. But you're just stuck in the same place. I just can't. I can't live that ga life anymore. Like, I. Like, Gia and TJ were there as well. They got there way earlier, and they had a nice spot up front, and TJ Came back to, like, get beers for them, and I think it took him, like, 20 minutes to just walk 10ft to, like, if you're going up.

[Noah]

To the front, you got to commit.

[Ria]

I know. So I'm saying it's just, like, it's. It's a. It's a commitment. Then even, like, up top, it's fine. But if you're not up against the railing, you cannot see the stage. Like, if you're not right up against the edge, you just can't see anything on both levels. And then when you leave, they have exit doors everywhere. There are exit doors on every side. They opened none of them. They made everyone heard out through the skinniest hallway of all time to go through the one exit, while all 18 other exit doors, they're like, nope, sorry, can't. Can't come out. Like, everybody's like, nope, sorry, can't come out this way. Can't come out this way. And then you're being pushed around as everyone's shoving their way to try and get outside.

[Noah]

Sounds like it was.

[Ria]

It was not enjoyable. I mean, the show itself.

[Fran]

We weren't prepared.

[Ria]

The show itself was lovely. I think Royal Otis is awesome. But the logistics of Terminal 5, it just was a reminder that every time I go there, I'm like, why am I here? It's. And, you know, I was joking with my brother because he was with us too, and he was like, the last time I came to a show here, I left and said, I will never come back here, and here I am. But I said, it's not really not his fault. It was supposed to be a Pier 17, you know, so it's like, if you want to use your ticket, you had no choice but to go to Terminal 5.

[Noah]

There was no, like, did they play Linger?

[Ria]

They did. That's, you know, they did, they did. And. And Murder on the Dance Floor.

[Noah]

Oh, yeah. They do a cover that.

[Ria]

Do a great cover of that as well.

[Noah]

That's really, like, came and went.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Noah]

Like, it was. There was like a couple months where it was the only song anyone was playing. And then I literally, until this moment, haven't thought about it since.

[Ria]

I feel like it comes on in bars.

[Noah]

You still like playing it?

[Fran]

Oh, yeah.

[Ria]

Comes on when we're out all the time. People get pretty excited about it.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Noah]

I haven't heard it out in a while.

[Ria]

Yeah. But no, they put on a great show. They're. They're funny because really, like, it was no. No funny business with them. They went songs like, song, song, song, song, song. Like, you know how sometimes people. There's chatter, there's banter. He was just like. They're like, hey, New York, thanks for having us. We're Royal Otis.

[Noah]

I kind of like some banter.

[Ria]

And then they just like, they sang like 20 songs in. I think the whole show was like an hour and 15 minutes.

[Fran]

No funny business.

[Ria]

No funny business.

[Noah]

And then I like some funny business.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

And that was kind of, I mean, for their personality. Stretch it out for a Sunday night, like in the rain and in a venue that no one wanted to be at because we all wanted to be on a rooftop. I felt like everyone was like, great.

[Noah]

Imagine people said that about your show. It was like, yeah, no funny business. They just did topic, topic, topic and left.

[Fran]

Well, I mean, I think our show is entirely funny business.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah.

[Ria]

And it involves talking. There's no saying. Very different aspect. Like, where if we got up there and sang the entire show. Yeah, I think that would be bizarre.

[Fran]

But people would.

[Ria]

They would leave, you know, things. Royal Otis. They sing, so. But it was good.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

But Terminal five.

[Lucas Gage]

I.

[Ria]

You will not. I had my day. I had my good days at Terminal 5 years and years and years ago. And I think it's. It would have to take a very special person to bring me. To bring me back.

[Fran]

The time has come and gone.

[Ria]

Yes, exactly.

[Fran]

Fair enough.

[Ria]

Exactly. But no, I think we're all still struggling with the whole sleep situation. I came home, like, I took a. Fell asleep on Monday at a time that I never normally nap. I'm not much of a napper these days anyway. And slept for. I actually felt like I was so out of it.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

I woke up. Like, I'd wake up Joe be like.

[Noah]

Are you all right?

[Ria]

I'm like, yeah. And I. And I just fall back asleep. Like, it was like something Was wrong.

[Fran]

The adjustment is a little bit tough.

[Ria]

I couldn't open my eyes. I've never felt that way before, where I was like, I physically cannot get up.

[Fran]

Yeah, it's hard. It's a. You know, you get stuck on one time, then you get stuck on the opposite time. You don't know what time it is.

[Ria]

Yeah, I've never experienced. I guess it's what they. You know, a jet lag quite like this.

[Fran]

Right.

[Noah]

It's weird because when we went to Fiji, that was 16 hours ahead, but I feel like I don't remember.

[Ria]

I don't remember. Well, we were there.

[Noah]

No, we weren't there.

[Fran]

No, we weren't there.

[Ria]

Kind of the same amount of time.

[Fran]

I slept for days after Fiji. I remember specifically, I was out cold.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

I don't remember struggling as hard as I am right now.

[Fran]

But maybe, you know, it was the summer. We're coming back.

[Ria]

Yeah, exactly. I was gonna say it was the time of year. You know, we came back and rained for three straight days.

[Fran]

Yesterday, I had an experience that.

[Ria]

Oh, yes.

[Fran]

I was used as an example. And it was not a good one. No, it wasn't a good one. It was quite uncomfortable. It was awkward, and everything moved in slow motion after this specific thing happened. So come home from work. I get my workout, little set on, and I'm going down to my gym. I'm gonna work out in my gym today. I get in the elevator. I turn around. So just picture the elevator doors open. There's people in the elevator. So I'm not walking to the. You know what I mean? I'm not putting my back to the. Against the back of the elevator. I'm standing right up against the doors of the elevator. All of a sudden, I feel this on my butt.

[Noah]

Oh, my God. I forgot about this.

[Fran]

In the middle of my ass, I jump forward. Oh, I go. I turn around. This little boy demon must have been, like 4 years old with, I assume, his mother and maybe a nanny, an aunt, somebody. Another woman. This little boy just smacked my ass just right in the open. Like there was. It wasn't like he smacked my leg or what.

[Ria]

He just wound up, went in.

[Fran]

He went in for right in the middle of my cheek. It was genuinely a stunning turn of events. So I jump forward. I go, oh, his mom is freaking out, obviously.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Like, there's no way around that. Like, as a mother. Yeah. You know, what would you do in that scenario? We're not. We're not mothers.

[Ria]

No.

[Fran]

So I have no idea how I would handle that. Scenario.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

All I know is they were freaking out. They're like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. That is so bad. They're yelling at the kid. They're like, you have to apologize. He is dying laughing. Okay. He is cracking up.

[Ria]

He is.

[Fran]

He is loving this moment. And she's like, you need to apologize to that lady. You need to apologize. And there's actually nothing worse than being called like, that lady now. Because I'm like, yeah, okay. Now I feel like, you know, like, I don't. Ma'.

[Noah]

Am.

[Fran]

Right. I'm like, you need to apologize that Lee. And he's, like, cracking up. By the way, this started on a higher floor, and we are stopping at multiple floors on the way down, so everything has gone in slow motion. And finally the kid looks at me, and he was like, I'm sorry. And, like, I'm like, it's okay.

[Ria]

A devilish grin.

[Fran]

No, literally, he was cracking up. And as I get out of the elevator, I just hear them yell, that was so bad.

[Ria]

That is so bad.

[Fran]

You can't do that to people. I was stunned. Wow.

[Ria]

I couldn't believe it's.

[Fran]

What happened.

[Ria]

Shocking story.

[Fran]

It was a shocking thing to happen in the elevator yesterday. Well, I. I didn't know how to react because obviously you need the kid. He doesn't know what he's doing, but he does know what he's doing, but he doesn't. You know what I mean? Like, he. Where did he get that from?

[Ria]

I mean, he's just. He's. He's never seen an ass quite like you.

[Fran]

I just was stunned. It was like, oh, he just whacked it right in the middle.

[Ria]

Thought of this kid, like, it's so bad.

[Fran]

Sorry.

[Ria]

It's so bad. And it's like, it's unfortunate. It's. You know, you are the victim here.

[Fran]

But what I feel, you know, I thought. Because he obviously doesn't know.

[Ria]

No, no, no, no, no. But the thought of, like.

[Fran]

It'S.

[Ria]

It's thought of, like, this kid growing up, and he probably won't remember four years old.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

But, like, the thought of this kid growing up and, like, in 20 years, his mom being like, you know, I knew this kid was gonna love some big booties after he slapped a woman's ass. She has a great ass. Slapped her right in the ass.

[Fran]

It's one of those stories that, like, your. Your mom will keep about you for when you grow up. And it's like, one time, you slapped a lady's ass in the elevator. And I felt so Bad for the mom because she was mortified.

[Ria]

And you were in leggings as well.

[Fran]

Yeah. Important. Yes.

[Ria]

I'm just saying.

[Fran]

Important.

[Ria]

Like, he. He went for the kill.

[Fran]

He'd.

[Ria]

And I just.

[Fran]

It.

[Ria]

It was this.

[Fran]

He just was laughing so hard.

[Ria]

No, that's.

[Fran]

And you.

[Ria]

You borderline. Look at that kid where you're like, oh, what Ha. Like, what's.

[Fran]

You know, what's going on? You know what I mean? Like, what's going on here that you knew.

[Ria]

Yep.

[Fran]

To do that.

[Noah]

Maybe he sees, like, his dad.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah.

[Ria]

That's what I was thinking.

[Fran]

Like, someone else.

[Ria]

I don't know. That'd be a bad sign for.

[Fran]

Like, she's watching a television show that he shouldn't be. Be watching with his parents or something. Like, I don't know what happened there, but I was like, that should have never. That should have never happened.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Noah]

Press charges.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah.

[Fran]

I just felt bad, and I got out. I was like, they're gonna have a bad night.

[Ria]

Just, like, pure. Pure instinct. Like, it's just, like, pure. Like, I.

[Fran]

You know, he's got to learn that he can't just, like, smack something juicy. Women's asses in the elevator. Like, Jenny. Certainly not.

[Ria]

That's insane.

[Fran]

No, it's. It was insane. And like I said, on one hand, I felt bad. On the other hand, I was like, what is this kid seeing? He's just smacking ass in the elevator. So that. It was highly uncomfortable. And, Yeah. I. I mean, I couldn't. I was in complete shock. Yeah. Getting off that elevator, you know, it.

[Ria]

Just makes me feel like, you know, having a little boy can be such a wild card. I'm sure that's such a wild card.

[Fran]

I'm sure there's moms listening to this right now that have sons or daughters that they have done things where they. You're like, how did you do that? Like, Molly May's Bambi when she's talking about biting Emily. Yeah. And she's like, I'm gonna bite her again. Yeah. And she's talking about biting the kids at school. And Molly's like, no, you. You cannot. We don't bite people. We bite food. And she's like, we buy Emily. And. And everyone's like, oh, my God. Guard Emily at school. Like, I just. I'm so. I'm so curious about that. And obviously, you know, I told my sister, and I'm like, you know, you got to make sure when Luca grows up, you can't be doing this.

[Ria]

Right.

[Noah]

That would be in, like, a few years.

[Fran]

No, like, Two years. Two years from now. You can't. You know, four or five years old.

[Ria]

Probably something that you don't even think you need to tell your kid not to do.

[Fran]

No.

[Ria]

Yeah, it's like it's not on the list of things. Yeah, it was pretty until it happens.

[Fran]

It was. It was a stunning development.

[Ria]

That is.

[Fran]

So that's what happened.

[Ria]

We talking like.

[Fran]

No, no, no, no.

[Ria]

We're talking like he.

[Fran]

Matt.

[Ria]

There was a. It was.

[Fran]

Matt made me show him yesterday.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Because he was like, I need to know. I need you to get on the level of the kid and smack my ass in the way that he did to you. And I was like, okay. And I did it. He was like, oh, my God.

[Ria]

He was like, so it wasn't like a mistake? Like, there was no accident, right? No, no. It's not like a. It wasn't like a.

[Fran]

He.

[Ria]

He just wound up. And let me tell you, it was a wind up.

[Fran]

It was within 0.5 seconds of me walking into that elevator and turning around. Like, it wasn't like we were like halfway down and he said, it was like I walked in, I turned around and he slapped my ass immediately.

[Ria]

Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, the way that it happened so fast, so fast makes me think it wasn't. He's not a first time, first time offender. It was an instinct.

[Fran]

And I gotta warn the building. We have an ass slapper in the building.

[Ria]

It's also like his parents. This is something. It could have happened before.

[Fran]

It could have.

[Ria]

Because this didn't seem like the mom's like, you gotta stop.

[Fran]

And maybe he does it to his mom or something or whatever. Didn't seem doing it.

[Ria]

And like immediately laughing afterwards makes me think that he's like done it before and people around him have laughed about it.

[Fran]

Yeah. You know, let me tell you, being in the elevator with them, the fact that I had to. I then scurried up against the sidewall because I'm like, I hide. Now I have to hide my ass.

[Ria]

Yeah, now you have to turn. But.

[Fran]

And then I'm just facing them.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And I'm watching.

[Ria]

What did you say to the mom?

[Fran]

I said I literally barely any words came out of my mouth because I was just like. I jumped for one.

[Ria]

Oh.

[Fran]

And then I just was like. Like that. Like that was my face.

[Ria]

I was just like, Yeah.

[Fran]

I don't know. Because she was more like not saying I'm so sorry to me or yelling at him and telling him to say sorry to me.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And that Whole dynamic was uncomfortable to deal with.

[Ria]

Right, right, right. Say sorry.

[Fran]

Now me and this four or five year old kid are staring each other in the eye and he's like dying laughing and I'm like, oh, it's okay. I think I just said it's okay once and got out of there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know, man, you're just taking a beating.

[Ria]

Literally. You know, I soon parking meter.

[Fran]

I wasn't even going to tell the story because I was like, this, this is a weird story. What was more shocking that, that is one of the most shocking things to happen to me in years. Like, you don't expect to walk into an elevator and have a little kid just smack you right in the ass.

[Ria]

I mean that's like you're, you're being, that's a, you're being violated. That's, that's assault, bro.

[Fran]

Yeah, like I just was like, that's not.

[Ria]

Yeah, sure, a parking meter, bangs in the head, you, you feel a little dizzy. But like this is a. Grabbing ass is not exactly like you, you know, you're not grabbing strangers asses.

[Fran]

Well, at first, like when it happened and I, I thought to myself, is there somebody else in the like, you know what I mean? Like my initial thought before I turned around because there were like two women, the kid and somebody else.

[Ria]

Right.

[Fran]

I think like I can't even remember.

[Ria]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

And my initial thought wasn't this little kid smacked my ass. I thought maybe somebody else in the elevator.

[Ria]

No, it's actually, that's my ass. Scary. Immediate thought.

[Fran]

I was like, oh my God. You're like, oh, like someone just smacked my ass. And I turn around because immediately you.

[Ria]

Would think it's an adult and you're like, oh my God. This is like, like what the just happened?

[Noah]

Fight this kid.

[Fran]

I was stunned. And then I turn around and I look down, I see this devilish kid like cracking up and I'm like, oh, okay, I see what just happened here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So no, immediately when I walked out of the elevator and I, I was like, I can't believe.

[Noah]

What if you run into him again?

[Ria]

Well that's, I mean chances are high.

[Fran]

Chances are pretty high. And hide your bums.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Cuz you know, crazy put flyers at watch out. Yeah, he could. I'd imagine he got in trouble when he went home.

[Ria]

I hope so.

[Fran]

Yeah. Yeah, I hope so. Yeah.

[Ria]

That qualifies for some. For a timeout.

[Voicemail Callers]

For sure.

[Fran]

For, for sure, for sure. Yeah.

[Ria]

Yikes.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

I'm sorry that happened to you.

[Fran]

No, it's okay.

[Ria]

I mean, I know, but like, it actually is. Like, it's a jarring event. Like, looking back, you're like, oh, my God. It's insane that it was a little kid, but, like, if it wasn't a little kid. No, if it wasn't a little kid. It's like a story you want to be telling because it's not fun.

[Noah]

It's weird because it's like, what. Where's the line there? Like, what age would you. Would it be? Turn it to something else.

[Ria]

You know, I mean, I mean, we don't. Pretty clear. I don't know if that's a debate we need.

[Fran]

Yeah, I don't think we have to go down that route, but.

[Ria]

Yeah. Kind of a wild question. No, I don't know.

[Noah]

I'm just saying it's like. Yeah, it's a weird.

[Fran]

I mean, if it was like a 15 year old kid, obviously.

[Noah]

15.

[Fran]

I'd read it out.

[Noah]

He's nine.

[Fran]

Yeah, he's eight. I don't think we have to go down that path.

[Ria]

I don't think we have to talk about each age and if we'd be okay.

[Fran]

I mean, like, if he's older, I'd ream the kid out. I'd be like, you know, but this kid doesn't know what he's doing. You know, he doesn't know how bad that is, so.

[Ria]

No, I mean, this is like, we had. My little cousin would, like, when she was probably around that age, too. It's like, you go around smacking ass. No, I said. But like, she's like, literally punch all of us. Like, hit all of us and then run away laughing. She thought it was so funny, right?

[Fran]

Yeah. They don't know. And then you get caught up and years later, you know.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Noah]

It's like, I could have been in that elevator. Maybe he would have smacked my ass.

[Fran]

Probably.

[Ria]

You don't look as good as Ria. Dozen leggings.

[Fran]

Oh, shit. Yeah. I mean, when I walked out of the elevator, I was like, I can't believe I just went from having that parking garage story to now this. Like, I actually texted you guys and I was like, guys? And Noah wrote, you get hit by a parking thing again? I was like, no, something else. Nope, something else has hit.

[Noah]

I should have said I got whacked again.

[Fran]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ria]

Crazy.

[Fran]

Well, moving along.

[Ria]

Yes.

[Fran]

You know, all. All fun and games. Is it? No, let's move into some topics.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Cat Stickler and John Mayer confirmed they are dating and apparently seeing each other. Yeah. Yeah. John May was pursuing her. Charlie XCX is making music with Jack Antonoff for a new movie. Bachelor Mansion is getting a revamp with a new show. Like they're doing some sort of HDTV to the Bachelor Mansion. And Joe Gorga is willing to maybe reconcile with Teresa Giudice. I mean, we'll see about that. We also have a fantastic interview with Lucas Gage and we have the Popcorner. So let's get into it. In case you didn't know, Abercrombie's new Sunday sets collection is live. It's full of mix and match sweat sets in their iconic soft AF fabric made to make every day feel like Sunday minus the scaries. Their men's A F Essentials collection is really for everyone. Trust me, I am stealing my husband's hoodies all the time because it's Abercrombie's viral hoodie the essential Popover and it just came out in new colors and prints. So highly encourage you to start building your hoodie collection. I have an amazing Abercrombie hoodie and jacket collection. This jacket that I have, I was wearing it before, I just took it off and it's next to me if you're watching on YouTube is from Abercrombie as well. I have an amazing jacket collection from Abercrombie. Not to brag. They also have the ypb, AKA your personal best. And it's Abercrombie's brand of activewear, which is my favorite to wear while I'm working out. Their fabrics are what it's all about, specifically the new Studio Flex fabric. Comfortable and stretchy with a buttery soft feel. Perfect for low impact workouts or when you just want to pop on a cute set just to feel like you're put together. Abercrombie drops new arrivals every week, so shot the latest in their app online in stores. We talked on Monday a little bit about this Cat Stickler John Mayer situation. Maybe they're dating, maybe they're not. We saw Cat Stickler post her new boyfriend September 17th.

[Ria]

The whole video. Do love the whole thing.

[Fran]

Turns out these two are apparently actually dating. John Mayer pursued her heavily and they are now seeing each other in some capacity. Noah looks distraught about this.

[Ria]

He actually, he actually has, I will say, I believe, I think maybe you were eating your lunch. Noah said he may have to take a break from listening to his music for a little bit.

[Fran]

Really? Now? Why?

[Lucas Gage]

Why?

[Noah]

I was more joking, but it's like, hey, if they're happy, then good for them. I'm so like he's not listening to this. But in my mind, I'm like, yeah, watching what I say, but I'm just like, you're better than this, John. I'm sorry to say it.

[Ria]

I don't think it's like, you should.

[Noah]

Be with an A lister.

[Fran]

It's more wording in a poor way. Because.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Noah]

You know, I'm not trying to be mean to her. She's. I'm sure she's lovely.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Noah]

I'm just like, he's such a star. Like.

[Ria]

Honestly, it was the way that Noah was like. He's like.

[Fran]

He's like.

[Ria]

Before, it was like, hi. He's just like, he's just online too much. He's just, you know, just like in people's messages, like, don't forget who you are.

[Fran]

You know, maybe he's humbled himself and that's a good thing.

[Noah]

My thing is just like. And this is no shot at Jason Tartek either, but like, Jason Tartek and John Mayer, like, who would have ever thought they'd be mentioned in the same breath?

[Ria]

Maybe you should take a page out of John Mayer's book that he looks at everybody equally. He doesn't judge them on their celebrity status.

[Fran]

There are plenty.

[Noah]

Well, you know, he's had his run. He did for a while.

[Ria]

He did. And now he's open to all women. There are plenty of people who have.

[Fran]

Dated people of notoriety and then have dated people who have.

[Noah]

Not Sydney Sweeney and myself.

[Fran]

Yes, exactly. Exactly. How do you expect yourself to have a shot with Sydney Sweeney if you can't understand John Mayer? Go now. Cat Stickler.

[Noah]

Yeah, that's a great point, honestly.

[Ria]

Although I will say, from connecting the. What, like Dumas had posted about it and the blind item on there to this US Weekly article, it was like the blind item was like, you know, I don't know how long this will stay private. She's excited about it, obviously.

[Noah]

The main thing is, like, she can't start. Like, if they start. If she starts posting him, I feel like that's not gonna happen.

[Fran]

She barely posted her ex boyfriend and then finally. Yeah, posted.

[Ria]

This could also literally end tomorrow.

[Fran]

No, it can be.

[Noah]

Going to end now that it's being talked.

[Fran]

Yes. I just was very confused because it really did seem not too long ago she was posting her boyfriend 100.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

With her daughter and like, all of this stuff and it's like, oh, my God, now.

[Ria]

Yeah. What happened to that?

[Fran]

What happened?

[Noah]

That's what happened.

[Ria]

What happened to that guy? No, what I was saying was the blind end of ended was like John isn't gonna, like, you know, once this is being talked about, he can't be like, it couldn't be. Maybe not the way he wanted.

[Noah]

I tried to hold off our art team posting the graphic as much as I could, but everyone starts reporting it. We gotta post it. Sorry, John.

[Fran]

Yep. Noah was like, should we not post that? Is it? Is it?

[Noah]

I texted Maddie earlier. I'm like, I guess we have to post this.

[Fran]

Oh, man.

[Ria]

Yeah. But, like, then that's why I'm like, I feel like these sources are probably coming from her side of the story.

[Fran]

Yeah. I'm just so curious.

[Ria]

The turn, actively pursuing her, inviting her places, and texting her often. The source said, how do they know this? Like, her friend, I imagine Cat was.

[Noah]

Telling people, but, like, if you're a cat and this is coming out, unless either you want it out or you're like, why are my friends telling people this?

[Ria]

I mean, if I'm Cat stickler, I'm probably also telling every single one of my friends that John Mayer is pursuing me as well. Like, I. I'm probably. I'm telling casual people, I'm telling acquaintances. I'm telling the barista at my coffee place. Like, I'm telling everybody, you know. No. Yes.

[Noah]

No, because you want to play it.

[Fran]

You say that.

[Ria]

You say that, but I bet I think you are. Or in a way that's like, you're not outwardly saying it, but you're. You're.

[Fran]

You're.

[Ria]

You want someone to ask.

[Fran]

Yes, you are throwing it out there.

[Ria]

You know, I've really been going out on a few dates with this guy, but, you know, he's pretty famous, so, like, great. Just don't know how it's gonna go. And just waiting for the person to be like, who is it?

[Fran]

And then you say, guess, and they're like, john, oh, my God. How. How did you guess?

[Ria]

This article does say cat is newly single. But no, there's no details on what?

[Fran]

No details on that? Yeah. I mean, listen, you're obviously telling all your friends, right? John, if John Mayer sends you. If John Mayer sends you one dm, you're screenshotting that DM and you're sending it to all your friends. Now, maybe when it starts progressing, you don't start giving every detail for texting a little bit more, you're invited some more things. Maybe you're not giving every detail, but the first initial DM that's getting screenshotted and being sent to all of your friends.

[Ria]

Yeah, look who dm me.

[Fran]

John Mayer. Me. We Screenshot it. When John Mayer liked our post one time. We send it to everybody.

[Noah]

I have screenshots of when he was watching the stories. I. This is so sad. It was when Murray was in here that day and he. All the stories were Murray, and I just was like, oh, let me see if people are liking Murray. And at the top of every story. So I'm like, john, Mary's watching Murray.

[Fran]

Yeah. I mean, that is cool. It is cool.

[Ria]

It is. Although this could be the. The, you know, now that their stories out there, hanging out there. It's really not anything serious, by the way. Also, like, the article is like, they're. They're having fun. She's interested in dating him. Seeing where. Where it goes. Doesn't think it's going to be a serious thing. So.

[Noah]

First rule about dating trauma, don't talk about dating trauma.

[Ria]

Yeah, I actually think that is the first rule.

[Fran]

I think it is a rule. I think it is. I mean, if you go anywhere publicly.

[Noah]

How old is Cat Stickler?

[Fran]

You have to expect to maybe be seen. They did go to 30. They did go to a members club. So maybe they thought that they could be better off not seen.

[Noah]

I told you that was him in that picture.

[Fran]

Yeah, you were.

[Ria]

Look, you were right.

[Fran]

They were very confident.

[Ria]

You were right. And they were at Flyfish.

[Noah]

It was on.

[Fran]

Yeah. He just had his John Madar.

[Ria]

John Madar.

[Noah]

That was pretty good.

[Ria]

What? That's really good.

[Fran]

That's really good.

[Ria]

That's really good.

[Fran]

I mean, it's turning.

[Ria]

It's like wild.

[Noah]

I thought of that a few minutes ago. That's why I was laughing.

[Ria]

Very funny. That's embarrassing and very funny.

[Fran]

Very funny.

[Noah]

Me, his John made my John Madar.

[Fran]

Wow. That one's gonna stick with me. That was very good.

[Noah]

And concerning this whole conversation is concerned.

[Ria]

It's all right.

[Fran]

It's very allowed to be a big fan.

[Ria]

You got John Nadar, I got Joe Brodar.

[Fran]

It's.

[Noah]

You know, John's birthday's just in the mix tomorrow. If we're talking today. Tomorrow.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ria]

I forgot. Your birthday buddies.

[Noah]

Well, his is the day.

[Ria]

No, day after. Yeah, close enough.

[Noah]

How old is he turning?

[Ria]

48. I'm guessing 52. This says he's 47 right now.

[Noah]

Okay, then that probably 48 then.

[Ria]

Yeah, probably 48. It's shocking. You know, the Patriots headline doesn't say, John Mayer soon to be 48 year old. Right.

[Fran]

They don't know his birthday. That's fucked up.

[Ria]

Just says 47.

[Noah]

Hey, happy for them. Well, good for them.

[Fran]

Yeah, I mean, this is an interesting pairing for sure, but I think it's more like just random than anything, you.

[Ria]

Know, apparently, she just broke up with that guy she had been dating for a few months. That's all. That's all.

[Fran]

They must have, by the way, just broke up.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Noah]

I mean, my guess would be that John had something to do with that.

[Ria]

Yeah, you never know.

[Noah]

You never know if he's been actively pursuing her. Like, how long was that?

[Fran]

Maybe they just broke up. And John got word she's single now.

[Noah]

So she was like, hey, I'm sorry, this is over, Tom Mayor.

[Ria]

Just like. But that's where I'm also like, was John Mayer an active follower of Cat Stickler? You know, probably.

[Fran]

But you didn't, like, announce her breakup, so it's not like, you know.

[Ria]

No, no.

[Fran]

Clearly he was very actively watching, perusing her socials.

[Noah]

Hey, you love who you love.

[Fran]

And I don't. You know, I wouldn't jump. I wouldn't jump to say that that's maybe as far as we're going with that just yet.

[Ria]

She does follow him, and John does follow her.

[Fran]

There it is.

[Ria]

He does follow. There she is.

[Fran]

You know what? Why didn't we think to look at that?

[Noah]

I mean, he follows closer.

[Ria]

We never know, you know? You never know when that follow happened, but it couldn't, you know, but it's there.

[Noah]

I feel like this is there. I'm just putting the nail in the coffin about John coming on chicks in the office. The more we talk about this, I.

[Ria]

Don'T really think that's true. Yeah, I mean, we've talked about so many things about, like. We've talked about John so much through the years.

[Fran]

We haven't said anything bad.

[Ria]

This is what would break it.

[Fran]

Yeah, we haven't said anything bad about John Mayer in this segment. We're just talking about him dating Cat Stickler.

[Noah]

That's true.

[Fran]

You're worried, like, okay, let's move on to the next topic. You're suspiciously worried about this. And by the way, no inkling. John Mayer coming on this podcast.

[Ria]

That is a very aesthetically pleasing number on her Instagram. 3.5 million followers and a thousand following. Like, it just, like, looks.

[Fran]

She probably keeps it.

[Ria]

Those two look really nice next to each other.

[Noah]

Keeping it at a thousand.

[Ria]

That's like keeping it at a thousand. Yeah. Maybe John Mayer actually does follow 2200 accounts. 2233, to be exact. And Cat Stickler's one of them.

[Fran]

Yeah, she made it. She made it on there.

[Ria]

Okay, that's it for them. Yeah. Hope they. Hope they continue to have fun.

[Fran]

Keep our madar on.

[Ria]

Yeah, the madar is on.

[Fran]

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[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

From Jack Antonoff.

[Ria]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't know how. Yeah. Makes. I think it's definitely raising some eyebrows of what Taylor and Jax current like friendship status is. I'm sure everything's fine.

[Noah]

People were honest saying that he didn't post anything about the album.

[Ria]

Yeah, no, I know. I think people pointed that out also, like right away.

[Noah]

That's what I'm saying.

[Ria]

Hadn't, hadn't come out. But Charlie is being profiled in Vanity Fair. Big interview, spread the whole thing. And in it there was, you know, the author of the article did include the alleged feud and actually Romantic and the song and blah, blah, blah, whatever. That all that, that's gone down. You know, it's just that it just said like Charlie did not comment. I'm assuming that maybe they went back to her and asked for a comment because like a profile like this. They probably sat down weeks ago or to do it. So this is all obviously pretty recent how this has all gone. Gone down. But Charlie has been working on a ton of shit. She's in a lot of movies coming out, and she is doing the music for Mother Mary, which is a movie starring Anne Hathaway. And Hathaway, I think, plays like.

[Lucas Gage]

Some.

[Ria]

Sort of pop star. It says, Mother Mary is an upcoming American epic melodrama. That's really all we know is a 24. And she is playing a pop diva who flees her tour during an existential crisis and seeks out the old friend who helped craft her public Persona. Not much else is known about it than that. But in the article, Charlie says she and Jack wrote the music together, and it's very different from, like, the music that she writes as for herself, but that, you know, she loves it anyway. There was also a part in the Vanny Fair article where she had said, you know, the whole tour documentary world is kind of, like, oversaturated right now, and she wanted to do something else, which is also. Everyone thought, oh, the timing of this is very interesting. Granted, she probably said this weeks ago, but the timing of that is also interesting, which is why she's doing this. The moment movie.

[Fran]

They were like, we're gonna publish this now, and everybody's gonna rip apart this thing. Yeah. As if it's happening right now, then.

[Ria]

Making it seem like it's like a direct hit. Which I don't think is like, that crazy of a quote, even just in general, like, Charlie XX saying that there's a lot of tour documentaries out there and wanting to do something different. I don't think that's like, 100% aimed at Taylor Swift. I think there are a lot of tour documentaries out there, and she probably did want to do. And she's doing something really unique and different.

[Fran]

So. Yeah.

[Ria]

But no, I like. I don't. I really actually don't like this alleged feud at all. And I keep saying alleged because I'm like, I don't want it to be a real feud, even though I guess the writing is really on the wall here. But I do really like both of them.

[Fran]

So I'm like, you didn't really talk about exciting now SNL thing.

[Ria]

Yeah, I don't. I don't find there's to be too much to dig.

[Noah]

But, you know, like, people say that's the album. His album.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Noah]

Role Models album is why she's wearing the shirt. But, you know, she knew what she was doing if she wore a Shirt.

[Ria]

But also role model wore that exact shirt in the promo video.

[Noah]

I know.

[Ria]

For snl all week long.

[Noah]

I know. But, like, if you're her, you don't.

[Fran]

Have to wear that shirt. If I'm her, I'm going to. Is what I'm. And I. And I like Charlie X. Yeah. But if I'm her, I'm saying maybe I should put on a different shirt, because if I wear this Kansas City shirt, people are gonna think it's Taylor Swift. She didn't care.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

She wore that. If anything, you know. You know. You know, you're thinking about all these things.

[Ria]

That's true. That's true. That's.

[Fran]

I want to say something about Jack.

[Ria]

I think that's more that she doesn't.

[Fran]

Give a. I think that Jack Antonoff can be petty.

[Noah]

He.

[Fran]

He gives me the vibe that he'd be a real moody son of a bitch. Got into a fight with him, you think? I do.

[Noah]

He's working with Kendrick recently.

[Fran]

I just get that vibe.

[Ria]

Interesting.

[Fran]

And it could be great. Yeah. If he's on your side.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And working in your favor. And he's so talented. But I feel like if he's pissed off by you. Huh.

[Noah]

You don't want to. Quailie, have that interview recently where they asked her, like, about Taylor, and she kind of gave, like, a nothing answer. People are trying to make it a thing, but.

[Ria]

Well, it was just like.

[Noah]

I have.

[Ria]

It was a really bizarre question. Like, first of all, it was a bad question. Like, she was on the Today show. I think it was just, like, a reach. They were just trying to get a quote about Taylor.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Ria]

But it's like, she's married to Jack Antonoff. Jack Antonoff didn't work on this album, and they were asking about this album. It was so, like, what's Margaret gonna say? She's like, I don't know.

[Fran]

I mean, it's one of those things where you're an interview and you're watching, you know, trying to think of the most random thing. You're asking Hugh Grant how he feels about Taylor Swift. And Hugh Grant's like, why are you asking me about Taylor Swift?

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

It's one of those things where it's not. Every interview has to mention Taylor Swift when she is not part of the.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Conversation. So I think that's where that comes from. Like, Mark Quality is promoting her own shit. She's like, why are we talking about.

[Ria]

It's also like, my husband.

[Fran]

If.

[Ria]

If Jack worked on the new album.

[Noah]

Sure.

[Fran]

Yeah. But he didn't My husband didn't work on this.

[Ria]

So it's like, you know what?

[Fran]

Jack Antonov, he's worked with plenty of people. Taylor the only one. So, you know. But it is a little suspicious that he didn't promote the album or anything. And now it's being reported he's working Charlie xx. And yeah. You know, sometimes you're like, where do your loyalties lie?

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Fran]

You know, if. But sometimes people are okay with be like, for, for example, Sabrina Carpenter, she did skims. Right. And Right. It's not like Taylor was like, no, Sabrina don't do skims.

[Ria]

She did skims. Yeah.

[Fran]

And that was. No, no. Exactly.

[Ria]

No.

[Fran]

It all depends how people feel about it. Right. So if. If Taylor, you know, Jack Antonoff wants to make music with Charlie xcx, he could do that.

[Noah]

She chose not to work with him on her album. Charlie XX is one of the biggest stars in music. So it's like, I don't see the problem.

[Ria]

Yeah. It's also, I mean, I don't really think that. That it's kind of like her.

[Fran]

I don't really think with different artists.

[Ria]

Like, I don't find that to be the issue. Like, I don't think Jack Antonoff was, like, upset Taylor didn't work with him on this album. I think, like, it's pretty fair. She's jumped. Yeah, maybe. But I don't know.

[Fran]

She's.

[Ria]

She's a Persona.

[Noah]

Has to be. Like.

[Ria]

It's not like she's worked with Jack on every single album she's ever done. And this is the first one she did it.

[Fran]

No, no. You know.

[Noah]

Yeah. Do you think an ounce of him, like, when people were kind of like, shitting on the album a little bit was like.

[Fran]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Ria]

I don't know. I look, I think a lot of people.

[Fran]

Jack Antonov Persona, in my head, I have no idea. Yeah, I actually don't know. I don't.

[Ria]

I don't think I've ever heard Jack. I think, like, I don't know what.

[Fran]

His speaking from the one time I've seen him speak, that's the vibe I got.

[Noah]

He's evil.

[Fran]

Not evil. Just like, he.

[Noah]

Don't cross him.

[Fran]

Don't. Yeah, like.

[Ria]

Yeah, don't fuck with him.

[Fran]

Like moody.

[Ria]

Yeah. I don't know. I actually have.

[Fran]

No, honestly, these pictures.

[Noah]

I'm looking at pictures of him right now.

[Ria]

I can't give an opinion. I have no clue what his personality.

[Noah]

I think it's the glasses that are doing it for me. Like, the type of Glasses.

[Ria]

He wears those specifically.

[Fran]

We really forget that he was with Lena Dunham.

[Ria]

Oh, I don't. I never forget that. That's my first thought every time I think about him for a while, I.

[Fran]

Just typed in Jack Antonoff moody just.

[Ria]

To see if anything comes up. Just to see if anyone was like.

[Fran]

He was moody to work.

[Ria]

Any Reddit threads about him being moody? I don't know. I think, like, this whole.

[Fran]

Now a lot of people say nice of a guy. He is.

[Ria]

Yeah. I mean, he's worked with everyone, which does speak a lot. Like, you know, he's worked with everyone, and everybody does seem to seem to really like him and like, working with him. I don't know. I don't know where it comes from, but everyone thought that the actually romantic was like a direct response to Sympathy as a Knife, but I think there's like a lot in between that probably went down that we don't know about. Like, I don't know if. Cause you. You listen to Sympathy as a Knife and you're not exactly thinking like, this deserves a response like this deserves retaliation for. And then when you listen to actually romantic, it's like, oh, I feel like in the whole Matty Healy saga of it all, there's just a lot more going down on the 1975 side of it that we probably just didn't know about. Granted, we. We went years not knowing anything about Taylor and Matty Healy at all. We had no fucking clue that that was even a thing. So there's probably so much lore behind the scenes of, like, what was going on with. With the 1975 and Charlie and George, and if Taylor was involved with Maddie, like, what was all going down behind the scenes then that I feel like in the last pre, you know, whatever it was the year before Travis and everything, shit probably went down. And I think that's probably more of what Taylor's referring to, of things that maybe conversations that were had or drama that happened and things that were going on with the. With the girlfriends of the band. But I don't know. It's. It's everyone, really. We're all looking for every little single thing now. Like, every little thing that Charlie does is being analyzed in every way. Like her coming out with a role model, her posting that she's in the studio. Like, everyone is taking it in a context of that, which is probably pretty frustrating because she's like, well, I. I do need to live my life now.

[Fran]

You know, and I do enjoy Charlie xcx. So it's like both of them so, you know, you don't want the girls to be fighting, but you don't. If they are, then have at it.

[Ria]

You know, something must be. You know, obviously something went down for sure. You know, it would be cool, like.

[Noah]

If they just started putting out diss tracks like, you know, Kendrick.

[Ria]

You know why?

[Fran]

People used to just like, tweet enough. Like, they used to just tweet fight.

[Ria]

Yeah. Like, I mean, it's cardi B. And I just did it for quite some time.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Still going on. It might be like, let's just get.

[Fran]

Back to that, you know?

[Ria]

Yeah, right, right. Just air it all. Say it all out in the open.

[Fran]

Just let everyone know all of your inner thoughts. Yeah, yeah.

[Ria]

I mean, it did feel like Taylor was pretty fucking clear in that song.

[Fran]

It was clear, but it wasn't. It was like, it's just quite. Not clear enough.

[Ria]

Yeah, no, that's right there.

[Fran]

But we just need you to be a little bit more clear. That's true. We needed her to, like, mention the word brat or something like that. Like, you're such a brat or something like that. Yeah, that would have been. For us to get full clarification would.

[Ria]

Have pissed people off even more.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah. You know, they could just do that. They could just go back and forth at each other. Well, yeah. Moving along. Bachelor Mansion is getting a revamp. This is one of the most ridiculous, I think, shows that didn't need to happen, but is happening.

[Ria]

Random, but it is happening. Well, I will tell you, the Mansion did need a makeover. It does need a makeover, you know, so why not make it a TV show, I guess. But the Mansion certainly needed a makeover.

[Fran]

And here's one of those things where it's like, this show to me felt like it didn't need to be made, but once it's on tv. I love a home renovation show. Yeah. I used to love Extreme Home Makeover. So I might pop this on and go, you know what? Look at Dean, look at Noah. Look at all the work they're putting in.

[Ria]

Right.

[Fran]

They're making that kitchen look beautiful.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Look at the granite they picked out. My mind might end up there, but right now I'm like, did they just create a show for Tyler Cameron?

[Ria]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

Tyler Cameron was like, I need another makeover show. Yeah.

[Ria]

Tyler and Tayshia are hosting. It's going to be on hgtv. And all the contestants are former Bachelor, Bachelorette, Golden Bachelor, Golden Bachelorette contestants. It's also very interesting. Like, that is so funny to me because it is like, are they in pairs? Are they individuals? Does one per. Like, are they each assigned a room and then they're going to be judged on on the way they design the room. Is the mansion going to have a cohesive design if they're all doing it together? Because sounds like it would not. But they are transforming the iconic California property. Jesse Palmer will be stepping into the same role for this show as each design savvy contestant puts their renovation skills to the test across six episodes. While they may have experience of romance, each contestant will have to get their hands dirty for the chance to earn bragging rights and a $100,000 cash prize. But only one contestant will be declared the winner. Taisha and Tyler are joining forces as the judges. And let's see who I was gonna see if I can get through the.

[Fran]

Whole I would crush this show cast.

[Ria]

Yes. So we have Joan, who was the Golden Bachelorette. She will be on there. Brendan, who was on Tayshia season, who is now with Brendan's dates. Serene.

[Fran]

Yes.

[Ria]

Now Jill will be back. You also have Dean, Sandra from Golden Bachelor. Jeremy will also be on here. He was just on Paradise. Courtney Robertson, whole throwback. Like, they, like, we got some big names in Bachelor territory. Courtney Robertson was a big one. Sam McKinney is in there, and Tammy is joining it as well. Long as Chris from the Golden Bachelorette. Alicia and Noah.

[Fran]

Yep.

[Ria]

I believe that is everybody. Noah and Abigail are currently renovating their first home together. They've been posting a lot about it on TikTok. So guess all these people do have the home renovation bug. They're ready to take on the Bachelor mansion.

[Fran]

A lot of talented people in that cast, of which they have a lot of talents in home renovating and construction, and they got the eye for creativity.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued. Originally I thought, what the. What is it?

[Ria]

Right. Like, yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

But I love a home makeover show. So basically, if you were to do this with a bunch of people that we didn't know and they weren't on the Bachelor, I would be into the show. So I just need to erase that part of it. Yeah. You know what? Just. Yeah, just give it a watch.

[Ria]

Right. You know, I'm just so intrigued by, like, what the Is it gonna be, like, competitions that they have to do.

[Fran]

I love that.

[Ria]

Obviously, there's only gonna be one winner.

[Fran]

Right.

[Ria]

So how is it going to be judged?

[Fran]

They're like in wood shop class.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

It's like, ooh, you need to create.

[Ria]

Like, who demos this wall better, faster no. Interesting. So, yeah, that's coming. That's coming next year. I'll have to ask. I wonder, like, I'm like, when did Tyler go film this? Oh, he was just in LA for a month, so maybe just. Oh, yeah, maybe that was maybe literally just now. I mean, they literally just.

[Fran]

Literally just filmed it. That could very.

[Ria]

Could have been. Well, be possible could have been that. Yep, very well.

[Fran]

Well, listen, I'll give it a chance.

[Ria]

Yeah, yeah. It's only six episodes.

[Fran]

Boom. Gotta find out who wins.

[Ria]

Breezy, breezy, easy breezy.

[Fran]

Last topic. We've been wondering for years, will the Gorgas reunite with Teresa Giudice? It seems like there could be a sit down talk.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Does part of me think it's because they both want to just get back on air and they're waiting for the answer on Real Housewives of New Jersey and the only way to get that fucking answer is if they both agree to do this show. Yes. A big part of me is thinking that could very well be it. But they're also family.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And they got a lot of history. And with family comes drama and talks and they gotta make it happen. So you know what? Joe said he's willing to sit down with Teresa. Teresa did reach out, but he wanted to come from a humble place. So I've got to be humble.

[Ria]

And I would like to say they.

[Fran]

All got to be humble. You know what I mean? Like, Teresa's got to become from a humble place. Joe's got to come from a humble place. They've both got to come from a humble place.

[Ria]

It has to be nothing but.

[Fran]

Nothing but humble. Nothing but humble. Because even if you know you're right or you think you're right, you got to humble yourself down.

[Ria]

Yeah. They got to own their shit to.

[Fran]

Get on to the other person's humble as well.

[Ria]

Right.

[Fran]

Everyone's got to be humble to make it work.

[Ria]

The problem is, is like, like Joe. Joe is expecting Teresa to be like, you know, I made some mistakes. Teresa is expecting Joe to say, I made some mistakes. They both just got to say, why.

[Fran]

Can'T people do that? Why can't people just go, well, I made mistakes and you made mistakes and we both made mistakes and we just carry on.

[Ria]

Teresa did. Did. Because there was, there were. There was some talk that Teresa had reached out to him, which she, I believe, had texted him to meet up.

[Fran]

With.

[Ria]

And said that they do want to hear her out and see what she has to say. And yes, there was a big conversation around that that was like, hey, The. Seems like the New Jersey production has been halted for quite some time. And at least the chatter online from fans was like, is this maybe Teresa's time? Is this, like, is it, like, time that the Gorga drama comes to an end and they move on with the franchise in. In different ways? I think they were also casting new people or, like, the rumor was. I thought that they were, like, moving on with the show, and then they were trying to cast a whole bunch of new people. But I don't know if Theresa was in the mix. Maybe she wants to be in the mix. It's. There's. There. There has to be a big A factor there, for sure. So, you know.

[Fran]

You know.

[Ria]

You know, Joe, he went on this podcast. He's saying, if you apologize, I'll accept it. And he's not the guy that's gonna turn his back on anyone.

[Fran]

But Joe needs to know that Teresa isn't gonna apologize if he doesn't also apologize.

[Ria]

Yeah, for sure.

[Fran]

For sure. There's gotta be mutual apologies from both ends because I'm sure nobody's innocent.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

You know, even if you're the first person to do something wrong, you know, it doesn't make what you did back. Right. Yeah. You know, you probably gotta apologize for that, too. So they gotta figure this out. My aunt even asked me, she said, do you think there's any chance.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Of reconciliation? I said, I have no idea. Yeah, I have no idea.

[Ria]

Melissa did say recently as well, that, you know, she said Teresa out loud on multiple platforms, podcasts, whatever it may be, had said that the doors closed. So the truth is, I'm just confused why it might be opening or cracking a little bit. But, you know, Joe has said Melissa's forgiven her many times before, and they obviously want to see if they can make things work. So I hope they can make things work.

[Fran]

I hope they can make it work. I could see Joe and Teresa making things work more than I could see Melissa and Theresa making anything work.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Yeah, that's true. Most will make it work for Joe.

[Ria]

Right.

[Fran]

But Teresa, she just.

[Ria]

Yeah. You know, just, you know, for the sake of the children. Like, it's just like, you know, it's cousins. Do they all talk? Probably not. Which is sad, right?

[Fran]

It is sad. You know, and you always have, you know, Gia, she gets involved.

[Ria]

Yeah. Yeah, I know.

[Fran]

Saying things about your aunt, uncle. Yeah, It's a lot.

[Ria]

It is.

[Fran]

It's a lot for the kids.

[Ria]

It is.

[Fran]

So maybe they'll reconcile for themselves and for the sake of a new season. Yeah. Because let me tell you, we're all being roped back in. We'll watch. Oh, my God. They reconcile a new season. We're in. Yeah, we're watching.

[Ria]

Yeah, that's true.

[Fran]

All right, that wraps up today's topics.

[Ria]

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[Fran]

All right, let's get into the popcorner, where we're taking your voicemails, your hot takes, your opinions. Let's get into it. Noah, play that first voicemail.

[Voicemail Callers]

Hi, guys. I'm a huge fan. So my hot take, I guess, is that the camera angles on Dancing with the Stars are really starting to bother me because they're constantly changing them and they're. It's like they're doing too much with it. It's the constant spinning. It's like, making me dizzy. And maybe I'm just complaining too much. And this is. I'm just being dramatic, but I want to know if anyone else feels the same way. Like, I'd rather have maybe like two or three camera angles from, like, the top almost to get a better view of the whole dance floor instead of the constant cutting. So, yeah, let me know if I'm just being really dramatic about this. But, yeah, love you guys. Huge fan.

[Ria]

And yeah, but she's just talking about the camera angles during the dances.

[Fran]

Yeah, the camera angles during the dances. I have to disagree. I think the cinematography is awesome. During Dancing with the Stars.

[Ria]

I also think it's always been like that.

[Fran]

Yeah. And my thought process is actually, how are the judges being able to see the full dance from their angle? That's the way I have always questioned because we could see it all on tv. Well, they have monitors the way the cat. So are they watching? But they're watching them in person.

[Ria]

Yeah, but they're watching them. But they like the way the camera cuts. I think they see for, like, those closer up moments and stuff. I think they see how it all looks on their monitors.

[Fran]

Right. They must.

[Noah]

They watch, like, replay. It's a lot to keep up with when they judge.

[Ria]

No, because they have to give. They have to give the score, like, right away. They have to put the score in, like, right away.

[Fran]

That's why it must be hard, because they must miss some things.

[Ria]

Yeah, yeah. But that's why if you watch them, they're looking up and down, like, constantly. So it's hard to keep up. Yeah.

[Fran]

I mean, I like the camera angles.

[Ria]

Yeah. I think. I actually think we would be shocked by how. Not, like, boring, but I think if it was just a sky view, you. You just. You'd be like, wait, I'm. You'd be missing a lot as people.

[Fran]

Who saw it in person. There is an added element when you're watching on camera.

[Ria]

It adds a lot of. A lot of umph to the dance, for sure.

[Noah]

And I feel like sometimes they're playing like, the dancers are playing to the camera.

[Fran]

Absolutely, yes. Because most people are watching at home.

[Noah]

I only say that because I saw behind the scenes of Alex and Val, and he was like. He, like, told her to do something toward the camera when they were practicing.

[Voicemail Callers]

Hi, Rhian. Fran. So my hot take is that I do not think that Love Island Games will be as successful this year in terms of viewership. I think that they turned it around way too fast from Love Island US and Love island uk. I know I have Love island fatigue still from the summer. It's such a long commitment show, and I've already seen all of these people on my screens, like, six weeks ago. I'm not interested in what they're doing now. I don't really care about them. I think if they would have waited until, like, February or March, kind of during, like, the winter slumps, that it would have been more fun to see these people in bikinis running around on my tv. But I seriously do not care at all all about it. As a Love Island Stan, who never misses any season, I really, really could not care less. So wondering what you guys think and if you're watching or not.

[Lucas Gage]

Bye.

[Ria]

Yeah, I mean, I very much agree because I will say, like, I was pretty invested into it. Left her, like, last. We were busy, but even before that, and I just have been seeing how it ended. Like, I just haven't watched the last few episodes, and I was pretty deep. Like, I think I only have, like, six or seven episodes left, and I just never finish them. And I, like, don't feel like I'm like, oh, I Have to finish. Like, I'm kind of like, ah, shit, I never finished.

[Fran]

Right. You know, I got spoiled from TikTok and Instagram of the winner. But I sort of felt the same way. And I do agree with that. It's like mid winter when we're looking for anything to entertain us. Yeah, Love Island Games is perfect because you're itching for that summer. You know, you're watching them all run around in the, in the heat in their bikinis. You know, you want that. We had just really finished Love island at the end of July and then boom, a quick turnaround into September for Love Island Games. So I think you're totally right. I think that if there was just a little bit more time in between, it would have picked up a lot more traction because people are obsessed now. But it didn't pick up in the same way.

[Ria]

Yeah, I think there was like a tough time with scheduling too, because yes, there is uk, US and then like for these shows, like Games, like they're pulling from all the different franchises and also like in the UK they do all stars. So it's like there's just Love island on constantly. And I think they probably weren't able to find like the right window to fit it in. And yeah, I think later probably would. A little bit more of a break. Probably would have been better.

[Voicemail Callers]

Hey, Ria, friend. Noah. Love the pod. I listen every Monday, Wednesday, Friday, I'm calling with my heartbeat that Robert Irwin should be the next Bachelor. You see that, like, killer Franklin Kapal is the next Bachelorette. So, like, obviously you can pull from anyone now. And I think Robert Irwin should be the next Bachelor. And I'm curious to hear your guys's opinion on who you think should be the next Bachelor or Bachelorette since they're playing from any franchise. It could be from bats, from barstool, franchise, like whatever it is. Curious to know if you were to pick someone like realistic that you want to see the next Bachelor Bachelorette, who would it be? Love you guys. Bye.

[Ria]

Oh, I mean, like, he is such a cutie pie. He's so.

[Fran]

I think he's too young.

[Ria]

I think he's realistically, he's only like 21.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Noah]

But aren't like most contestants down there? Like, there's a lot of 21 year olds who go on those shows.

[Ria]

Yeah, but they've never had a bachelor that young.

[Fran]

Yeah. I would say no to him being the Bachelor.

[Ria]

Yeah, that's that. That.

[Fran]

Because I think he could go on Love Island.

[Ria]

Yeah. You know, then also that I mean, a 21 year old bachelor really limits the age range of the contestants as well.

[Fran]

Right.

[Ria]

You know, as far as, like reality TV show stars. Yeah. I mean, obviously there's just always more women.

[Fran]

Right. Like, Dylan Efron would have been great, but he's in a relationship.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

But he would have been a great bachelor.

[Ria]

Yeah. You could put like west or Jesse on the bat as the Bachelor.

[Fran]

Oh, boy, that would really be something.

[Ria]

It would. It really would.

[Fran]

Ciara. As a Bachelorette.

[Ria]

I had said we were, we talked about this at Lady World because we did an US Weekly interview and they'd asked us this too. And I said, like, Brooks Nader, like, she would certainly have an electric bachelorette season in the same realm as obviously casting like, someone like Taylor, Frankie, Paul for the, for the drama and whatnot. But the pool of reality men is just a lot smaller.

[Fran]

Right. Because I can name a bunch of fantastic women like Janae, I thought would be a lot of fun, but she was, when we interviewed her, she was like, no, no. Reality show love stuff. And. But when it comes to also the casting of men, sometimes, yeah. You know, you're like, well, you know, would you want them to be set up with any of those guys?

[Ria]

Right.

[Fran]

Not necessarily.

[Lucas Gage]

Maybe.

[Ria]

So Austin Kroll, bachelor season.

[Fran]

Oh, my God. Honestly, would be very entertaining, but Austin, like, can't be trusted in a relationship.

[Ria]

You could put Craig on there.

[Fran]

Craig could be a good bachelor. Craig.

[Ria]

I mean, actually, I think Craig would be the Bachelor.

[Fran]

I think Craig would sign up in a second to be the Bachelor.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Fran]

I feel like that man wants to get married fast. Yeah.

[Ria]

Yeah, I think he would be the Bachelor.

[Fran]

I think that's, that's like the actually be a. That's actually like the perfect timeline for him.

[Ria]

Yeah. I actually think that he's exactly what they look like, what they look for in a bachelor.

[Fran]

Yeah, like, he just, he just wants to find a person and get married.

[Noah]

And I can really see him, like, already in my mind.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Noah]

I serious, like, out of the limo.

[Ria]

Let me tell you, the way I saw him in a tux outside the, outside the mansion, like, immediately in my brain.

[Fran]

That's actually the perfect option for the Bachelor. Yeah, that's a great one. Yep, Yep. We could leave it at that. Yeah.

[Voicemail Callers]

Hey, Ran, Fran, this is Charlotte from Long Island. I kind of have a hot take. I don't really know how hot of a take this is, but I feel like people need to stop trying to be like Britney spears, like Tate McRae and Sabrina Carpenter. I feel like with Some of their performances, they try so hard to be Britney and same with Addison Rae and I just think they need to do their own thing. Like Britney's a legend, an icon of course. But I think it's time to just be a little more original. Okay, let me know what you think. Bye.

[Fran]

I disagree with that with, with Tate McCray and Sabrina Carpenter. I think Sabrina Carpenter is like a little Polly Pocket and has her own.

[Ria]

Like yeah, I find that more with Sabrina.

[Fran]

Tate McRae is just a fantastic, fantastic dancer. Yeah. Like I don't like Tate McCray isn't doing the costumes that Britney did. You know, she's not doing like I.

[Ria]

I just don't think we've seen a pop star that's so dance forward like her. Maybe sit like it in a really long time.

[Fran]

Right. Like maybe it's like a compliment to them that they are reminding you of Britney Spears. Because I don't think that much about about them when it comes to Addison Rae. Sometimes I'm like she studied up.

[Ria]

Right.

[Fran]

You know, like when she's walking on.

[Ria]

I feel that way with a lot of the pop stars when it comes like I think Addison Rae is a student of the pop star game for sure.

[Fran]

Like I was watching an interview last night of Addison Rae W magazine and she was talking about how Amy Winehouse used to just wear ballet flats out of the house randomly. She picked up athlete and I'm like, she is. She studies up on you know and has combined them all into Addison Rae the pop star. Right, right, right, right. So. Right.

[Ria]

Yeah. You know it is hard not to when Britney is just like the all encapsulating perfect pop star and then when they people want to do their own thing and I think a lot of them take some of the best parts of it but do like put their own spin on it.

[Fran]

Sabrina gives me no Britney vibes.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Fran]

In any way.

[Ria]

Yeah. Yeah, I do kind of agree with that.

[Voicemail Callers]

Hello. I love you both.

[Lucas Gage]

Hello.

[Voicemail Callers]

But my it's honestly not even hot take but my pop culture take this week is that John Krasinski is who Ryan Reynolds wishes he was.

[Fran]

Yes. And I'll leave with that good take.

[Voicemail Callers]

I don't think there's anything more that needs to be said. Enjoy.

[Ria]

Love you both.

[Fran]

I love that. Listen.

[Ria]

And then she said I'll hang up after this.

[Fran]

I probably have said it years ago. Or maybe not. I don't really remember. You have my. I had never been a huge fan of Ryan Reynolds. Now it's like in to not like Ryan Reynolds.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

I had to whisper about not being a huge Ryan Reynolds fan.

[Ria]

I would argue with you about that a lot. Like, a lot. Like, I'd always really, really liked it.

[Fran]

I whispered about it because it was like such a hot take that people were like, how do you not like Ryan Reynolds? And I was like, I just. I don't know. I'm not obsessed with him. Like, you know what I mean? Even recently I had a conversation with a friend where I said that and they were stunned.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Like, they were like, what? It was like jarring to them for me to say that. Now I think people are coming around on it a little bit more.

[Noah]

But because did you see that video of him on a red carpet?

[Fran]

Yes.

[Noah]

The kid.

[Fran]

Yes. There's a certain. There's been certain snappings of Ryan Reynolds recently where people are like, what's going on here?

[Ria]

Yeah. It seems like maybe this. The fuse has been made shorter.

[Fran]

Yeah. And you know, they. They gone through a lot this past year. Yeah, that's.

[Ria]

That is.

[Fran]

And. But that's just a funny take. Like, I don't know if I agree or disagree, but I do know that I find it funny.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Noah]

I think Ryan Reynolds would love to at least have the public image that John.

[Fran]

Yeah, John Krasinski is just a nice, funny guy. You know.

[Ria]

Jim, like everybody, like, noted. Good gu. You know, the whole.

[Fran]

Emily Blunt's wife.

[Noah]

I just saw that clip of him on some talk show. Have you seen that? Where he told some story about how he said to some like, random person like Emily Blunt's husband, and they were like, no. Like, they didn't believe him. They're like, you.

[Ria]

Damn.

[Fran]

Damn.

[Ria]

I did see a picture of him and Stanley Tucci recently. And I was like, what a fun. What a fun table it must be to hang out with those guys. Stanley Tucci's married to Emily Blunt's sister. So it's like they must just have an absolute. They're just a bunch of in laws, you know? Yeah.

[Noah]

Like, is she famous or.

[Ria]

No, Felicity Blunt.

[Noah]

She's an actress.

[Ria]

I think she is never even.

[Noah]

Her. She's older, I'm assuming.

[Ria]

No.

[Noah]

Oh, I. Well, that.

[Ria]

No, they have a bit of an age gap.

[Noah]

I just saw Stanley Tucci, actually. I saw a quote of him saying that he is sad that he doesn't get to grow old with her.

[Ria]

Yes, yes. And people. Yeah, people like didn't love that quote. But I was like, you know, it's a fairly real quote. It is like, I know people like give. Age gaps are frowned upon and looked at and it's like, well, they're like, well, that's what you get for marrying somebody so much younger than you. You know, like, it's like, hey, choose.

[Noah]

What age gap he does feel like they're okay with.

[Ria]

He does feel that way where he. That is true. It will be sad.

[Fran]

44 and 64 is fine to me because there is such in there. Like, you know, they're in their later.

[Noah]

Years, but then like 84 and.

[Ria]

Yeah, 84 and 64 is a drastic difference.

[Noah]

That's gonna be tough.

[Fran]

Yeah, that's.

[Noah]

She's gonna be taking care of it.

[Ria]

That's all he was alluding to, you know? But no.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Whenever I see them all together, I'm like, ugh, this is a dinner table I want to be at.

[Fran]

That's a great one.

[Ria]

Seriously. Stanley brings up wine dinners.

[Fran]

Oh, gosh.

[Ria]

Maybe he's bringing something home from Italy. He just tried.

[Fran]

Lots of laughs. Yeah. Good banter. You know, you got that British humor.

[Ria]

Yep.

[Fran]

Mixed with Jim from the Office. Yep. Yeah. That's a good time.

[Ria]

It's a good time. It is the Krasinski, Blunt Tucci household.

[Fran]

Yeah. What a crossover. All right, that wraps up the popcorner. This segment is brought to you by Armani luminous silk concealer. Armani beauty believes in enhancing your natural beauty, giving you that lit from within glow. The luminous silk concealer is a multi purpose, lightweight, hydrating and blurry all day wear concealer that conceals, smooths and brighten skins. I've been wearing the luminous silk concealer for a little over a year now. I've become obsessed with it. It's my go to in my makeup routine. Whether I'm doing a no makeup makeup look just to cover the dark circles or some blemishes or I'm doing a full face. It provides weightless, medium buildable coverage, delivering a flawless, luminous finish that feels like your skin. With 21 shades luminous silks, concealer's diverse range ensures you' find the perfect match for your complexion. Whether you're looking to conceal, highlight, or contour, shop your perfect shade now at Sephora. All right, everyone. We are here with a very special guest. We are joined by actor and now author Lucas Gage. Thank you for joining us.

[Lucas Gage]

Hey, thank you for having me. It's an honor. I'm excited.

[Ria]

We are so happy to have you here.

[Lucas Gage]

Me too.

[Ria]

We are so excited that you wrote this book One. I love the book title.

[Lucas Gage]

Thank you. It's great.

[Ria]

It is.

[Fran]

It's great. But you got pushback.

[Lucas Gage]

I got a lot of pushback. A lot.

[Ria]

I was gonna say this was an original idea.

[Lucas Gage]

It was an original idea. No one was asking for it. No one was coming to me.

[Fran]

The title is I Wrote this for Attention.

[Lucas Gage]

I Wrote this for Attention.

[Fran]

It's out today, October 14th. So very exciting. But why did you get pushback?

[Lucas Gage]

I think, you know, from the publishers and the agents, they, you know, I don't think they really understood that it was tongue in cheek. I think they thought it was really serious. And they're like, well, you don't want to tell people you're writing a book for money and attention. And I'm like, no, I know that. That's the whole point is, like, you're gonna get scrutinized for that. You're gonna get shit for it. So you might as well.

[Ria]

Might as well make the joke.

[Lucas Gage]

You might as well hit it before anyone else.

[Fran]

It's being self aware because there are so many memoirs now, and, you know, everybody writes a book, but they're all so interesting. You know, learning about people and being so honest about your life is incredibly interesting. Especially everything that you wrote about. About in this memoir. I mean, you want to dive into all of it. Were you nervous to release the book? Did you warn anybody who was mentioned, anything of that sort?

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah, no, I was. I was nervous for sure. And it was like I had a. Like, I felt like I had a vulnerability hangover where I'm like, did I do too much? And then. But ultimately it doesn't belong to me anymore, you know, Like, I released it, and it's not mine anymore, and it's not. It's not up to me. You know, people's. Whatever people think about it is none of my business. And the people that do matter and I do care about, they did read it, for the most part. Maybe they lied to me, but my family, you know, gave me the stamp of approval of talking about these, like, really dark, crazy things that are in the book. But, yeah, I go back and forth, and I like to pretend I don't care and it's gonna be fine. But, you know, there's moments where I'm like, did I need to say about my two STDs? And then it became a clickbait all over the Internet. But whatever. They're easy ones.

[Ria]

Right.

[Fran]

And you mentioned a line that I think is very interesting that you said, like, it's none of their business what they think about me.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Which is so funny, because I feel like, you know, you tell yourself that, we all tell ourselves that, but on the other side of it. You're like, but I'm nosy. Yeah. And I do want to know what they think of me.

[Lucas Gage]

I do. And I always probably will. But it won't. It won't consume me in the way that it used to before. Like, I used to look for bad stuff, and it would fuel this dark part of my brain that, like, was like, I wonder. I want to. I wanted to read all the negative things. I want to. I, like, got off on it. But now, of course, I'm gonna look at reviews. Of course I'm gonna, like, see what people connected to the book. But I just don't let it take over my life like it once did.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ria]

And I think that there's a way, especially with the, like, life that you've lived, where there's times where it's like, you get to tell the story your own way and not, like, oh, this got posted online somewhere. Now I'm being asked about it. This story, like, spiraled. It's kind of a way to be like, well, now here's literally everything. And now you all know everything, Right?

[Lucas Gage]

No, I agree with that. And I feel like I'm not great at speaking sometimes, so I'm like, every time someone asks me a question that I've. I've been asked a bunch, I'm like, I'm just gonna put it in a book and be like, here it is. I'm gonna. I'm gonna write it out much better than however I'm gonna tell it. And you're not gonna hear this, you know, just manufactured version of the story that's been, you know, like a game of telephone of what is the truth. Like, there's so many things out there that are just not true.

[Ria]

I was really pleasantly surprised. And I also think it's because I personally have the worst memory. Like, I just. I cannot remember things from, like, last month.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

So anybody that can write a book like this where there are very detailed childhood memories.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah.

[Ria]

I'm like, I don't know how. Like, did you have any issues kind of reaching back to that time of your life?

[Lucas Gage]

Well, luckily, I had all these journals that I kept my whole entire life. A lot of them I lied to. So that wasn't lying about my whole entire life to myself. But I think I say a line in the opening of the book that's like, you know, some things have been embellished, and, you know, my version or my perspective of what I think is true, and that's how stories are told. Are told. But, you know, Everything in there is factual. The dialogue is for sure. I don't remember what the fuck I said when I was six years old, but, like, there's that part of me that's gonna embellish it and make it sound more interesting for the sake of telling a story.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Lucas Gage]

You know.

[Ria]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

What inspired you to start journaling and were you so happy when you decided to write a book? You're like, I do have all these journals.

[Lucas Gage]

I don't know what was the thing that made me want to buy all these journals as a kid? I think I knew, I knew I wanted to write and I was a big reader as a kid. I mean, like Shel Silverstein and like children's books, like, but I just loved books. So I think I, at an early age I was, you know, I think I watched Harriet the Spy and I saw that she had like a little notebook and I just wanted to copy her and record everything down. And yeah, I just wanted to tell stories all the time. So I was crafting it in my notebook before I would lie to people about.

[Ria]

Worked in your favor. Story pops first.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah, exactly.

[Fran]

Right. And you are like a self admitted liar.

[Lucas Gage]

You say, yes, self proclaimed liar.

[Fran]

And you know, Mike White, that's written on the back of the book and. But you're so honest in here.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah.

[Fran]

How do you deal with when people are like, well, you say you're a liar, but then you're saying this is the truth.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah.

[Fran]

How do you deal with that?

[Lucas Gage]

Because everyone's a liar. Everyone is always lying. And I think, you know, I frame it in a way, like, especially as a kid, it was a way to try to change the narrative and be in control of my story. And I acknowledge, you know, that lying was a helpful tool until it wasn't. And then I have to get honest in the book. But for sure, you know, I definitely. It's like, how are you gonna be a reliable narrator if chapter one you're saying I'm literally the biggest liar ever? But I, you know, part of that is just me being honest about my lying.

[Fran]

Right. You're also telling the truth then. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Ria]

I love how you start the book too, because I think, like, it was something that I had to go back and read twice because at first I was like, wait, I'm.

[Fran]

Me too.

[Ria]

I was like, wait, I know. Like, maybe I'm like, am I not getting this? Like, and then the second time I was like, okay, now I get it. But it's a great way to pull people into the book. Can you kind of talk about that opening intro.

[Fran]

Yeah. Cause I thought you were really admitting to something.

[Ria]

I was like, wow, okay, I didn't know this about him.

[Lucas Gage]

Well, I think, first of all, it was in the middle of the book, so maybe that's why it took you a second, because I changed it last minute to the beginning. Cause I was like, God, it's just such a good opening line. I killed a kid, you know, But I kept going back to that chapter about how I killed this part of myself when I was just, like, tortured at this school and wanted to create this whole new Persona. But it kept coming back to me. And it was like a common thematic through line of, like, all these areas where I'd been performing my whole life and then killing that character that I'd played. And, like, it just felt like it set the tone for the whole entire book. And I wanted the opening line to just be a banger, you know, it.

[Fran]

Was because I thought to myself, how has this not made the headlines? Yeah, yeah, JoJo Siwa. He wants JoJo Siwa to play in the biopic, but not this. So that it definitely, definitely wrote people in. You know, you mentioned earlier when people ask you sort of the same questions and you want to write it all down. I'm sure in interviews now, you've been asked about that audition that went viral that, you know, I think stunned everybody. Do you think that directly affected anything going forward? Or were you kind of like, this was funny that it happened, but this has no reasoning as to why anybody knows who I am.

[Lucas Gage]

I think in the moment, my thought was, it's funny, and it was just a funny thing. And then it took on this whole entire thing. I would be lying if I said that didn't change the trajectory of my life and didn't affect me and I didn't get jobs from it. And another sense of it, too, with both of those things, you know, both those things, I didn't say what the other thing is. The other thing is like, you know, getting married on a reality show is like, a lot of people are like, oh, you're doing it for the clout. You're doing it to get jobs. And I'm like, you don't see the behind the scenes stuff, which I talk about in the book of, like, no, that was, like, actually jeopardizing some of the opportunities that were coming my way. And, like, was a hindrance of letting people get lost in the character or me as an actor or, you know, it took precedent over all the work I had done. With just the personal headlines, and then you're just suddenly, like, you're not an actor. You're a public, you know, figure that's, like, kind of reality adjacent. And it was just like, it's hard to. To get past that for, like, on the industry stand stance of it. But, yeah, I think at the time, it was funny. And I'm sure there was a part of me that wanted validation and wanted to be, like, wanted attention and people to click it and like it and tell me that, like, I did a good job or, like, good for you. But there's also another part of it that I think people might be surprised by, that it's not always a good thing to get that kind of attention.

[Fran]

Right.

[Ria]

You know, and it did seem like that was a worry for you when you were writing about it. I loved that. Of all the people that you named who either shared or commented or had something to say about that moment, Joe Jonas was the one you included in the book. Why him specifically?

[Lucas Gage]

I don't know. I think it was like there was all these. It was like a bunch of alliterations. I think it was like, Jake Gyllenhaal, Joe Jonas, and Jojo Siwa.

[Ria]

No, she didn't.

[Lucas Gage]

There was another Jane Am. And then I was just. I don't know why. Sometimes my brain does weird things at once. Just, like, alliterations, I think I do remember having a conversation, though, where I was, like, freaking out when I did the video, and I was like, I think I blew up my career. Like, everyone's mad at me. My agents are mad at me. And then my friend Phoebe was like, joe Jonas is commenting how cool you are. Like, chill out.

[Fran]

I was like, okay, I'm good, right? Yeah, I made it.

[Lucas Gage]

Jonas Brothers know who I am.

[Fran]

That's how we feel. We can relate to that. You know, you mentioned your marriage and, you know, reality tv, and did you feel like, you know, you're like, I did White Lotus, Euphoria. These, you know, some of the biggest TV shows ever. And you're like, now people know me from my quick Marriage and divorce.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah, 100%. And I think, you know, look, they weren't big parts in White Lotus and Euphoria and American Vandal and these, like, shows that I was starting to do. And so it was like, a weird thing where most people, they become a working actor, and then they start to experience fame and, like, being a public figure. And in a way, I was like, my trajectory was kind of backwards. It's like I had these moments of being A public figure before I was recognized for the acting. So it was just confusing and confusing for other people and confusing for myself. And I just think I didn't prepare myself or realize how powerful the Internet is, you know, and like virality is such a crazy, weird thing and people can be famous in five seconds now for anything. And it's just, I think dealing with that and just not really feeling like my work was, you know, I wasn't like getting appreciated for the work or like I had really made a name for myself or done enough. I was like, wait, I don't deserve this recognition or I don't deserve. Not that I'm that famous, but like for a moment in that week where that viral video happened or the marriage happened, it did feel like I didn't even. I didn't even make my mark as an actor yet. Like, this is not what it's about. This is not what I wanted, you know, and it's, I think that's the whole thing with this book. It's like the title is very tongue in cheek and very like self deprecating and aware. But it's like it was true. Like, I wanted attention, I wanted validation, I wanted fame. And then I got it and then I was like, wait, I don't want it now. I don't want this kind. It's too much.

[Fran]

Is it hard for you to relive, you know, especially the marriage? You write about it in the book, but now you're doing press interviews, you're talking about it a lot. Is that hard for you?

[Lucas Gage]

I mean, it was like three months. I mean, to be honest with you, it's not that hard. I think the hard stuff for me to talk about is probably the mental health and the sexuality and that, you know, which is weird. I don't like that I have or I did, I still do have shame, or I feel like little when I talk about it, but those things for me were harder to put down into words and like really dig deep and not, you know, I do have a lot of jokes in here and lead with humor. But like, I'm like, okay, maybe, maybe I can go deep. Maybe I can actually get down to what it is at the core.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah.

[Ria]

You really write about your relationship with your mom.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah.

[Ria]

In the book. Which she just seems awesome.

[Lucas Gage]

She's a badass.

[Ria]

And that's one area specifically, I think, you know, having that kind of conversation about your sexuality with your mom and putting that in the book. What was that conversation like to have with her?

[Lucas Gage]

I mean, I'm So lucky. I'm so grateful. I think in my head, I. I thought I wasn't gonna be loved by her if she knew about my sexuality. I don't know what made me have this. This untrue, like, theory that I was gonna be unlovable, and then just to have her be so cool about it and be like, oh, great, let me meet your boyfriend. Let's do it right now. Why would you hide that from me? Like, you're a freak? Not because you're gay, but you're hiding your boyfriend. What the hell? Yeah, I. So. And look, I feel like I'm a very specific or not specific, but I. I'm very grateful that everyone was really cool to me and anyone who wasn't that cool to me, like, they weren't that important to me. So I'm very lucky in that sense.

[Fran]

Yeah, right. Anybody who wasn't cool, but they just don't belong in your life and they're not cool in general. You don't want their approval. Exactly.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Yeah. They're freaks.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah, exactly.

[Fran]

And, you know, you talk about your mental health. You talk about borderline personality disorder. What led you to that diagnosis?

[Lucas Gage]

Honestly, what led me to the diagnosis was being in a relationship. Not the public marriage relationship, but a relationship right before it where basically I was ghosted, cheated on, and my sense of self. Everything was just completely lost, and I spiraled. Like, I lost it. I was unable to go to work, unable to be a good friend, be a good family member. Like, I just was a mess. And finally it got to the point where my family and my reps actually were like, you actually have to go somewhere and figure this shit out because you running away to, like, go on this manic episode to Miami and, like, cry on set is not working, and you're becoming a liability. And so for me, I felt like once I got that diagnosis and went to this facility and got the help and, like, the right help, it was a long journey. There was some. We had some detours, as you'll find out in the book. But once I figured it out, like, it was so. It was filled with shame. And I was like, I need to keep this on the DL. I'm just starting as an actor. You know, you don't want to. You don't want to put that out there. You don't want people to know that you're, like, a liability, quote, unquote. And when writing that book. When writing the book, I was like, screw that. Like, let's stop stigmatizing it. Let's Stop. You know, having all these misconceived ideas about this disorder. And, like, I'm not a liability anymore. I'm not a nightmare to work with. I'm not. You know, I just had this moment in time, and it's a part of me, but it doesn't define me. And you can get better. And if I can help anyone out there reading the book, like, that's amazing.

[Fran]

Yeah. You know, absolutely. I was gonna say, I hope you know how many people you really are helping and how many people can relate to this. And seeing someone like you, who is so successful be so honest about this. And like you said, it's, like, destigmatizing it. It's like, no, you. You're not hard to work with. You're not hard to be with. Like, it's not any of these things. People can relate to that.

[Lucas Gage]

Thank you for saying that. Yeah. I think I was inspired by other people's stories that were more brave than I was. Like, Julia Fox and other people that have. Who are. I know for a fact, are lovely to work with and incredible and so talented and had the, you know, the courage to share their story. I was like, I need to stop keeping this, like, a secret. And also, I don't like that it is something that is. That feel that feels like it needs to be a secret. I just think that's.

[Fran]

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Right. And it can also help people who, you know, may be going through something, and they don't know why they're going through something. They're like, oh, well, maybe I can talk to somebody about this and, you know, find the answers themselves. So I think it's fantastic. You're opening up about everything in Paris.

[Ria]

Yeah, absolutely. I think that seeing it talked about in a normal way from someone who, you know, you see, like, the success, it does make you think, like, oh, it's not bad. It's not. People are gonna go, ooh, that's. That's the case there. So that is so true. I think hearing also, like, reading about the journey from, like, childhood into the relationships with your. Your brothers and everything, it all. It all makes sense.

[Lucas Gage]

Yes.

[Fran]

You know what?

[Ria]

You know, like, I think when you jump around, you hear this story, that story, whatever, and then you're like, oh, but when you start from the beginning and make your way through, it's like, oh, well, all of these things certainly add up. And I know that's what everyone says when you. When you finally start going to therapy and everything. And they're like, well, let's talk about your childhood because that's probably the root of a lot of, a lot of things.

[Lucas Gage]

It is. And this door, this disorder is, is rooted in trauma. You know, it's from trauma and it's. And I think writing this book and you know, a lot of people don't have the luxury to take a year to just write a book and go deep on themselves, but it makes sense. And I think for so long I was like hard on that 15 year old kid. I was like, why was I so chaotic? Why was I so impulsive? Why were these relationships so.

[Ria]

And you saw a lot.

[Lucas Gage]

I saw a lot and I dealt with a lot and I didn't, I didn't have the tool. So I was just, you know, I think like even the drugs and the dealing and the fighting and then this and that, like that was just all ways to A, want to connect and, and B, want to feel something because I didn't, I didn't know what to do with all my feelings and all my. So I think suddenly, you know, there was resistance in getting this disorder and like wanting to be like that. I'm not gonna label myself that and I'm not gonna put this like stamp on me forever. But then you look at the series of events that took me here and, and I can have compassion and be like, I love that kid. I'm so grateful for that 15 year old psychopath. Like, I love him. You know, he was amazing and he was just doing the best he could and didn't have the right tools. And, and ultimately that part of me that was a little, you know, a little brash or impulsive, like led me to where I am now and was helpful and useful.

[Ria]

Yeah, you can totally tell that that storyteller was in you from the beginning. When do you think you realize, like, I want to use that to become an actor?

[Lucas Gage]

I mean I would say like, I would say it as a kid on like 3 year old home videos and like I was gonna be an actor. But I don't know, I think maybe I would probably say like when I went to acting camp and 9, 10 years old and like got up on stage and made these little videos with the camera like the, in my neighborhood. Like that that was like really when I was like, I think I need to do this. And then I did a little detour and then we came back.

[Ria]

Yep, yep. I loved reading about, you know, that, that first just like the description line of your character. And in the White Lotus, you're like, I can play this like this.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah, yeah, this is.

[Ria]

This is for me. And it seemed like it there, you know, not that it comes easy, but it seemed like it was like, oh, no, you got this. And there wasn't too much back and forth on that role.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah, that one was. I mean, I auditioned for one other role before it, which is usually the case with me. I feel like I go in for like the bigger part and then they're like, we like you, but not quite enough for this one. But we have this other one. But that one wasn't too much of a. I remember the euphoria one being like I went in for every single role and I was like, oh my God. That one felt like a little bit easy. And the minute I saw it, I was like, I can do this in my sleep. This is mine. This is mine.

[Fran]

Did you have any idea how huge the White Lotus was going to be?

[Lucas Gage]

No. I mean, I was like, how could it not work?

[Fran]

You're like, I hope.

[Lucas Gage]

I hope. And Jennifer Coolidge and Molly Shannon and hbo. It felt like a no brainer. But I don't think I'm a little bit surprised. Not surprised because it's so fucking amazing. It just, it hit at the right moment, like during COVID and there was like nothing to watch and everyone wanted to escape. Like it was. It had all the right pieces for it to be hit.

[Fran]

Yeah. Now the loyal fan base that it has now just exploded.

[Lucas Gage]

It's insane.

[Ria]

Yeah. What was being on set with Jennifer.

[Lucas Gage]

Like everything you would want it to be and more. Like, she is so funny and just so kind. Like, I think, I think that she has been around so long and I think that is the people that stick around are because, like, they're good people. Like, I think you can be very talented, but not if you're not a good person. Like, you'll get weeded out, you know, like, people just don't want to work with nightmares anymore. And she is the kindest person ever. I remember when we left, the whole hotel staff was actually crying when she left.

[Fran]

Oh my gosh.

[Lucas Gage]

Like, crying because they loved her.

[Fran]

You know what? I love doing that so much.

[Lucas Gage]

There's just something about her that you feel like, I don't know, you feel seen by Jennifer Coolidge, you know.

[Fran]

Oh, that's awesome. Is she one of the people you get asked about the most of all the actors you've worked with?

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah, I would say Coolidge is up there. Cool. It just probably right? Yeah. Coolidge and Jake Gyllenhaal probably is the most.

[Ria]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think Don't. Really can't imagine. Because I feel like we. She's one of those people that you hope she's exactly as she is, and then you see her in interviews or at an award show, and you're like, oh, she totally is. Like, you're like. She's where? What Was just the Emmys, I think.

[Fran]

Or it might have been the Emmys.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah, it was the Emmys.

[Ria]

Yeah. Where I was like, they're joking about rushing everybody off the stage, but Jennifer Coolidge will have. That was like, five minutes.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And I feel like you presenting, you can tell, like, she's not somebody who can hide themselves.

[Lucas Gage]

No.

[Fran]

Like, that is not a character. She is not hiding herself. She's not changing herself right now.

[Lucas Gage]

No, she's not. She's not shape shifting to, like, make anyone happy. I, like, want to inherit that part of my. Part of her and be like. Like, she doesn't try to. People please. In any way. I mean, she's just a kind person. But what. What you see is what you get with her. And you're like, I love that about her.

[Fran]

It is inspiring. Right?

[Lucas Gage]

It is inspiring.

[Fran]

I just want to be that.

[Lucas Gage]

I want to be that unapologetically myself and that, like, take it or leave it, baby. You know?

[Fran]

Exactly.

[Ria]

But also, it's such a testament to staying that way because we are so young and she's been working at this for so long that it's like, it came to her a little bit later for everyone to be like, please don't ever change a single thing about you. But it was, you know, it wasn't worked out worse. It's later.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah.

[Ria]

So.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Lucas Gage]

And that's okay. Yeah. And she just took the long course and was like, I'm not gonna change. I'm not gonna try to fit into some box. And thank God she didn't. If she wouldn't have this moment right now, you know?

[Ria]

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[Fran]

You talk about Euphoria. You talked about auditioning for every single role, trying to fit into that show, and there's so much discussion around Euphoria. How do you. How do you feel being on the show and then seeing the discussion that goes around it, the narrative that goes into being on that show?

[Lucas Gage]

I mean, I think, like, it's so interesting because I. I was just in it for a little bit in the very beginning, before even, you know, I was in season one, and I didn't know how massive it would become. And so I'm kind of just, like, on the sidelines peripherally watching it like everyone else, and, you know, surprised by. By how massive it became. But also it makes sense. And, yeah, I. What was the question?

[Fran]

The net, like, the narrative around the set of Euphoria and how people talk about being on the show.

[Lucas Gage]

Right.

[Fran]

And there's always different. And, like, then the actors come out, and they're like, no, it's great. You know, there's so many different narratives that go along with being on that show.

[Lucas Gage]

I think everyone's narrative that they. Everyone can have multiple versions and different perspectives and that it's not true. And everyone can have different experiences of what it was and what it was for them. And for me early on, I don't know what it has become or what it is now, but it was nothing but a really nurturing thing. And I just think Sam took a chance on me and fought for me. Yeah. But it's. It's crazy how big it got.

[Fran]

And you're right. Everyone can have their own experiences.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Makes sense.

[Lucas Gage]

And it doesn't mean that each person isn't true. Like, I think, you know, people can read this book and be like, you know, I'm sure like an ex or a family member be like, I didn't. I didn't feel like it went down this way. And it was interesting having that with, like, my mom. She was like, do you guys really feel this way? Do you feel like we grew up in a casino? And I'm like, ask my other brothers. And everyone was like, yeah, yeah, kind of. And in her head, though, it wasn't that she was lying or. And she just had a different version of what she felt like went down.

[Ria]

It's so interesting, too, with, like, the way the Pandemic affected different shows and projects, because even just between the two we've been talking about, it's like, with White Lotus, it was. It hit it in the right way. And with Euphoria was like, well, now, you know, we're still waiting. We're still waiting, right, for another season. And it's been years, so it's like. It's. It's. It's interesting, like, the difference. And I think that has had a huge impact on the way people talk about those two shows too, because it's. With Euphoria, everyone's like, well, I mean, we need another season.

[Fran]

They're getting anti. Big time bringing up what you just said about your mom. And, you know, talking about. You said it felt like a casino. Asked my brothers. And your mom's like, oh, I didn't know. Has the relationships in your life changed a little bit since being so honest in your book where your mom. You know, you have a great relationship with your mom, and you are so honest about what it felt like growing up. Has she been like, oh, I'm gonna, like, change how I view this now, or is she still holding her own of how she viewed things?

[Lucas Gage]

I would say both. I would say it's a mixture of both. I would say for me personally, like, talking about my past and digging into my past has helped me with me in the present. And I feel like talking about some of this family stuff has. Has either reframed it for my brothers or my mom in a way that, like, they want to, you know, they want to take accountability, maybe, is the thing that comes to mind. But I also feel like it comes with them feeling like, especially my mom, like, she did something wrong as a parent, and that's just not true. Like, you can be the best parent in the world. You can protect your kids so fiercely, but, like, they're out in the world, and, like, you have no control over that. So I think as a mother, especially hearing all this shit that happened to me and my brothers, like, she feels like she could have done more.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Lucas Gage]

And I think that's the hardest part.

[Fran]

I was gonna ask, because it doesn't seem like you are looking for her to take accountability.

[Lucas Gage]

No, not at all. She was, like, an incredible mom, like, did above and beyond. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ria]

You know, anytime I feel like that many Boys on your. On your own. Like, that's. It's obviously a journey and having your older brothers along with you while you're writing this, everything, did they have certain things they were like, you really gonna put that in there?

[Lucas Gage]

That's a good question. I think, you know, the thing that comes to mind is one of my brothers, Corey, who had a problem with heroin and all that crazy journey. And I think for him I really wanted to be like, is it okay? Like, I don't. This is not your story to tell. So like if there's. And there was definitely some things in the earlier drafts that were. People were like, please, you gotta. You gotta cut that. And it was like too crazy. But for him to be so honest and him to be okay with me sharing that he had shot up next to me as a 12 year old boy and like wanting. I think what he felt like is like really he felt passionate about these places, like the wilderness camps and like these rehabs and exposing these places that hurt vulnerable people and abuse vulnerable people. And like, he was like, if this is helpful in telling this story and to get to that part of shedding light on it, like, please, you gotta go for it.

[Ria]

Right?

[Lucas Gage]

So for him to be cool with that is really cool because it's like I said, it's not his story. And I can, I have to be like, someone might read that book and not want to work with you or something, you know, like, I don't want to ruin his future and. But people change.

[Fran]

Yeah, right. And you're right. Like two people can be a part of something. Right? Like you are watching him shoot up next to you, you're 12 years old, that obviously he dealt with his own shit and he has to talk about that himself. But at the same time, that also affected you greatly. So it's like two people are part of a story and it's also your story as well because it can affect you in so many ways.

[Lucas Gage]

That feels really affirming to hear you say that. Like, I'm serious. Like, I actually needed to hear that today. Thank you.

[Fran]

Oh, of course. I mean, I feel like, you know, maybe not as deep as that or whatever, but many of us are a part of something that has shaped us in a way totally. That is also part of your story. Even though maybe the other side of it was a little bit darker.

[Lucas Gage]

100%.

[Ria]

Yeah, definitely. I was gonna say that that, that passage especially stood out to me too. Of I was like, you know, he's certainly telling the whole story. And I think everyone reading it is gonna really appreciate that and get to know you on such a. On such a deeper level, which is really cool, because it is. It's like coming out of. I think, you know, like you said, coming out of the recent reality tv, the relationship, everything, it's like. Like, this brings people back in is like, wait a second. This is. You know, because reality TV does sometimes, like, put this film on people where you're like, oh, that's a. They're. Now. They're not like a real person. It was literally reality, reality, reality tv. But you're like, them. Come on. This is all. It's all for show now. Like, where's the substance?

[Lucas Gage]

Right?

[Ria]

That's all the substance.

[Fran]

And even with family stuff, you know what I mean? Like. Like, you. We see all these actors, we watch everybody on tv, even our friends, right? And everyone always says this. Everyone has family shit. Everyone has stuff that they've dealt with. Everybody. And you don't even know the surface of it with some people. And that can really shape certain experiences. So for you to be so honest about all of that, I think it really can help people relate because they're like, you know what? It's not. It's not just my family. No. You look at things, you go, I guess it's not just my family.

[Lucas Gage]

No. We all have shit in our family. And no one's family is perfect. No one is perfect. And I think there are some crazy stories in this book, but I think the thing about it is it's not that crazy. And it's universally very relatable and people can connect to it. And I think, like you said earlier, we see these little curated versions of ourselves on Instagram or in interviews where I'm like, you know, excited to be here because I'm like, it's crazy that I'm talking about my life in a book and, like, going on talk shows and stuff, but you don't get to see those moments where you're so lonely and so low. And I think we got to right now more than ever, because, like, Instagram and social media, it can really present, like, everyone else is living their fucking best life, and no one's going through this shit. And it's like, totally right.

[Fran]

And sometimes it can be hard to be vulnerable because then you feel like people can take that and they run with. You know, it's like, it's a hard place.

[Ria]

You don't get to share the full story.

[Fran]

Right, Right. Exactly. It's a hard space to be in right now. But a lot of it can be.

[Ria]

Helpful, which is what I like somebody especially because it's like people write memoirs and then when young people write memoirs, they're like, whoa, what do you have to say? Like you won't. You barely lived your life. Whole life.

[Lucas Gage]

I'm getting a lot.

[Ria]

Yeah. But I actually think it's really cool when young people write it because it is, it is. You get, I think you get to go so much deeper into the earlier parts of your life than like, you know, someone in their 50s, 60s, whatever, writing their memoir. Their, their teen years is maybe a chapter 100. It's like they're. And sure they have all this other stuff to share as well.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah.

[Ria]

But like I think other young people can relate to the young people writing their stories fully out like that.

[Lucas Gage]

It's definitely a premature memoir and I'm definitely very aware of it.

[Ria]

Guess what? There can be another one.

[Fran]

There can be another one.

[Lucas Gage]

And I didn't want to forget all these good stories or I'd be too old like you said. And I think, you know, it's like people like Jennette McCurdy and Julia Fox who like, you know, were also just right ripely 30, writing their things and coming into adulthood. And to me, I like those stories. I don't want to hear about anyone who has it all together and figured it out. That's boring. Or these huge, huge names that have had these crazy. And that's cool to read too. But it feels so unattainable and so far fetched from anything close to my existence that for me, those two books were the ones that I've resonated with the most.

[Fran]

Those are two great examples we read. You want to come? Curtis had her on to talk about it. Fantastic. And then Julia Fox. I cannot stop seeing people rave about her memoir. I just honestly downloaded it because I'm like, oh my God. The way that people talk about her memoir, like I, I've been seeing it non stop lately. They're just like the greatest things.

[Lucas Gage]

She was right. It is a masterpiece.

[Fran]

And like I cannot wait. Like incredible.

[Lucas Gage]

The way that she, her prose, like the way that she writes, it's. It's being fully transparent. Parent. I do kind of like fiction more than non fiction. And she, the way that she writes it feels like you're reading, you're reading fiction. And I tried to, I tried to kind of emulate a little bit of that in my book because I wanted to create the picture and like create these characters.

[Ria]

I think you totally feel that.

[Lucas Gage]

Thank you. With what you did, you'll love Julius.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Yeah. I can't wait.

[Ria]

I love that you can. You know, you really can. With a title like this, there can be. I wrote this for attention. Part 2.

[Lucas Gage]

I wrote this for more attention.

[Fran]

Exactly, Exactly. There's sequel.

[Ria]

A lot of ways to work with the title for when you want to. When you want to add on to all of this.

[Lucas Gage]

Thank you.

[Ria]

We do have to.

[Fran]

Sadly, no.

[Noah]

Oh, my God.

[Lucas Gage]

I'm thinking about what we talked about before the podcast. You guys don't want to talk to me?

[Fran]

We went over. We went over. We are giving a lot of.

[Ria]

Amount of time and we start getting.

[Fran]

This in the corner.

[Ria]

Exactly.

[Lucas Gage]

You guys are lowkey, like the Barbara Walters of our generation. I'm not kidding. This. This was really good. Wow.

[Fran]

Thank you.

[Lucas Gage]

You guys ask good questions.

[Fran]

You know, it's nice to be reminded sometimes we've been doing this for a.

[Lucas Gage]

Really long time, but you need to be validated. I'm gonna give you attention right now that you deserve.

[Ria]

Thank you so much. We do have one final question. Thanks to Armani Beauty, one of our lovely sponsors.

[Lucas Gage]

I worked with them once.

[Ria]

Yes, they are fantastic. I think we've mentioned some major shows, franchises that you have worked with. What is something that's on right now or a franchise that you are. You'd be like, I would die to be a part of anything you're watching right now.

[Lucas Gage]

You would want to be a part of a franchise.

[Ria]

Yeah, yeah. Anything could be a show, could be a series.

[Lucas Gage]

Okay, I'm gonna go with. I would love to go on below deck, but I don't want to be. I do not want to be.

[Ria]

That's not what I thought you were gonna say.

[Noah]

No, wait.

[Fran]

What really threw me off?

[Lucas Gage]

What did you think I was gonna say?

[Ria]

I don't know. I don't know. I thought.

[Fran]

I thought it was gonna get, like, thrown in there. Another one.

[Lucas Gage]

I've done enough of that.

[Fran]

No, no, no, no.

[Ria]

I would like to go down under. Thank you.

[Fran]

Listen, Deck is a fantastic answer for two people who love.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah, yeah, I want it, but I want to be like a. I want to be like a deck camp.

[Ria]

I was gonna say, you wanna be cheap? You don't wanna be.

[Lucas Gage]

I don't wanna be a person on.

[Ria]

The boat, on the yacht.

[Lucas Gage]

No. There's a part of me that, like, really wants to, like, work in the service industry again and, like, just be on a yacht.

[Ria]

That's the one.

[Fran]

Hey, let me tell you, great answer.

[Ria]

I'm pretty sure Andy Cohen would love to have clothes.

[Lucas Gage]

Just came From Andy. From here.

[Fran]

Wow. Really?

[Lucas Gage]

I'm excited for the Real Housewives, a Salt Lake City below deck combo that's happening this season that is going to be lit.

[Fran]

You watch a lot of Bravo.

[Lucas Gage]

That's all I do.

[Fran]

Are you excited about the wife swap?

[Lucas Gage]

Wait, what?

[Fran]

You know about the wife swap that they're doing?

[Ria]

They're housewives. They're doing a housewife show where the. They. They send a housewife to.

[Lucas Gage]

Yes, yes.

[Ria]

To a normal family. And then the. The normal mom goes to live with, you know, Joe Gorga.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah. I'm. I'd be lying if I said I'm really excited for it. I'd be lying if I said I'm really excited for the new Vanderpump Rules.

[Ria]

Reboot, but I will be watching my Housewives of Miami.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah, of course.

[Ria]

Have you. Have you.

[Lucas Gage]

I'm not fully caught up.

[Fran]

Okay.

[Lucas Gage]

Do I need to.

[Noah]

You do.

[Lucas Gage]

Okay.

[Ria]

Maybe one of the. I watched it last night. That's why it's on my brain.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Maybe one of the best reunions in a long time. We'll finish this up and I'll talk to you about it.

[Lucas Gage]

Okay. I gotta catch up on this.

[Ria]

You have to catch up. Up. The season was fantastic. And then, like, we got a reunion where maybe for the first time ever, I think Andy, like, undersold the reunion.

[Lucas Gage]

Really?

[Ria]

I think he was like, it's crazy. There's something. We find out. We've. We had no idea. I think he undersold.

[Fran]

We needed a good reunion.

[Lucas Gage]

We needed one. We were missing. We were missing.

[Ria]

No, this is. This is like.

[Lucas Gage]

It's back. We're back. So back.

[Ria]

So back.

[Fran]

I know we said last question, but what is your favorite Bravo show? Because we.

[Lucas Gage]

Of all time.

[Fran]

Yeah, we.

[Lucas Gage]

Love of all. Okay, well, I think I'll start with this. Right now, the best Housewives is Salt Lake City.

[Fran]

Yeah. Right now.

[Lucas Gage]

Right now.

[Ria]

I agree.

[Lucas Gage]

I love them all for different reasons.

[Ria]

Just had Lisa Barlow in here and she talked about putting the threads in her face. Threads in her face.

[Noah]

12.

[Lucas Gage]

12 threads.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

But, like, she explained the process of that. And Holy moly, you're on board.

[Fran]

Say to me the way that she spoke to me about it. She hit me with a honey. And like, honey.

[Ria]

She was like, oh, honey. It anchors right into the back of your skin.

[Fran]

Like something.

[Ria]

Like, it goes right into your skull.

[Fran]

Because you spoke to me was how I wanted to be spoken to by you.

[Ria]

Oh, honey, it go. It locks right into your. Right into your skull.

[Lucas Gage]

She is so crazy. But I. I love. I Can't help but love her. I mean, I love them all, and I vacillate between, like, wanting to kill them and loving them every other episode.

[Ria]

But that's what you want.

[Lucas Gage]

But that's what you want.

[Fran]

Lisa's really like, hate them, but love them.

[Lucas Gage]

But. Yeah, exactly. They're. They're doing their job.

[Ria]

Then especially this season, I'm like, lisa, what is going on? But at the same time, love her.

[Lucas Gage]

I took a. I had a really hot take last night and watch what happens live, where I said, I want a gen shot back. And people were like, no, you know what?

[Ria]

I love that hot take. But that's a hot. People are saying that's a hot take.

[Lucas Gage]

I wanted to give him a hot take.

[Ria]

There's very lukewarm take sometimes on that side.

[Lucas Gage]

Let's give him a hot take. And also, that doesn't mean I agree with her. I think that she is truly evil.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Lucas Gage]

But that doesn't mean that she shouldn't be on the show for good television watching.

[Fran]

Exactly. That's what people are missing sometimes.

[Ria]

They're missing a good villain, a real villain.

[Fran]

Just because someone on a show or whatever does not mean you like them or agree with them. We need someone we don't like.

[Lucas Gage]

Exactly.

[Fran]

We feed off that.

[Lucas Gage]

Exactly. And they're not going to be getting like, look, they're not going to get the benefits of getting these brand deals and like, all these. No, no one's going to work with Jen Shaw because of the past Y. And also, I mean, the fact that her sentence is three times as much as Diddy's is also crazy. But we don't get into that. Yeah, but. But back to the question is Vanderpump Rules is the best one of all time.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Lucas Gage]

It's probably one of the best reality shows ever made. Seasons one through three especially, like, it's just unbeatable.

[Fran]

OG Stassy. Jax.

[Lucas Gage]

Like, Jax. Laura Lay.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Noah]

Oh, my God.

[Ria]

Like, just like another person that you're like, you made it on reality for so long, being as insane as you were.

[Lucas Gage]

We're the Millers.

[Fran]

We're the Millers.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah.

[Fran]

I'm leaving to do a Jennifer Aniston movie is so funny.

[Lucas Gage]

I lived next to her and her dog would take shits on my lawn all the time. And I've self taped Laura Lee multiple times for auditions, and she has put me on tape for auditions like, eight years ago.

[Fran]

And you're reading behind the camera.

[Lucas Gage]

Reading behind the camera.

[Fran]

That is incredible.

[Lucas Gage]

Yeah.

[Fran]

We can talk about Bravo.

[Lucas Gage]

And we're going to talk about Bravo. The whole.

[Noah]

Yes.

[Ria]

We'll have you back solely to do like Bravo.

[Fran]

Yes. You want more attention.

[Lucas Gage]

Can't get enough.

[Ria]

Thank you so much. I wrote this for attention. Is available now. I'm sure people can buy it wherever you buy books.

[Lucas Gage]

And if you don't listen. Yeah. If you. I was going to say if you don't want to read it, you can listen to it on audible.

[Ria]

Yep. There you go.

[Lucas Gage]

Did you Apple Books?

[Ria]

Did you read the whole thing out loud?

[Lucas Gage]

You got to do it your own voice.

[Ria]

You have to do your own.

[Lucas Gage]

But soon AI will be doing it. But for now, it's just. No, we're not doing it that.

[Fran]

No. But thank you so much.

[Lucas Gage]

Thank you so much, guys.

[Fran]

All right, that wraps up today's episode of Chicks in the Office. Thank you so much for watching and listening. We love you guys, oh, so very much. And we will talk to you on Friday. Goodbye.

[Intro Rapper]

Yeah, chicks in the Office.

[Lucas Gage]

Long time listener, first time caller.

[Intro Rapper]

Look at the charts. Who does in the back? Two chicks getting paid in reality checks. You can find them at the gym it's not even a flex Last minute red carpet flew them out on the jet. Yeah, they're who you want to be. They're always on your screen. Two queens and they might be spilling royalty A lot of topics that are popping here to get into. I know a show that you probably want to listen to. Who turn the heat up turn the beat up record the pod made a bag put their feet up the ones that leave no problem crumbs when they clean up who's the pod that they all want to meet up? Who turn the heat up, turn the beat up record the pod made a bag put their feet up the ones that leave no crumbs when they clean up who's the pod that they all want to meet up?

[Fran]

Sam.