Chelsea Handler Talks Roasting Leonardo DiCaprio & Critics Choice BTS, Her Favorite Drugs + More!

Summary

Chicks in the Office: Chelsea Handler Talks Roasting Leonardo DiCaprio & Critics Choice BTS, Her Favorite Drugs + More!

Date: January 7, 2026
Hosts: Rhea (Ria) & Fran (Barstool Sports)
Special Guest: Chelsea Handler

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant episode, Rhea and Fran kick off the new year with pop culture chatter and a dive into their personal routines before welcoming comedian, author, and Critics Choice Awards host Chelsea Handler. The conversation ranges from Chelsea’s approach to roasting Hollywood royalty, behind-the-scenes awards show stories, and her signature candid takes on drugs, family, and life. The hosts also dissect the Ashley Tisdale “toxic mom group” controversy and dish on the latest Housewives drama, pop culture hot takes, and more.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Surviving the Post-Holiday January Blues

[01:16–12:00]

• Fran and Rhea share their struggle with the monotony of January in NYC: "January is the Sunday of the week." – Fran [03:02]
• They discuss what days of the week each month “feels” like, and how routines and little joys (like using a fancy espresso machine) can lift the mood.
• Espresso-making hijinks: Fran recounts her journey with her new Breville Barista Touch machine, the struggle to get coffee just right, and the newfound respect for baristas.
  • "A really good espresso shot will change your morning. A really bad one, you want to puke over the second." – Fran [10:23]
• Rhea details her new Dyson vacuum and shared dog-hair woes: “It’s just the little things. You’re like, wow, this thing really fucking works.” [17:54]

2. New Year's Epcot Revelations

[19:33–22:54]

• Viral TikTok videos show New Year’s Eve at Disney’s Epcot as "an absolute time," with unique DJ parties in every country pavilion.
• Hosts share their mixed feelings: the event looks wild, but the size of the crowds seems “like my nightmare.” – Fran [21:27]
• Noah wonders if they celebrate midnight in every country’s local time: “That’d be kind of fun, though.” – Noah [21:00]

3. Pop Culture News Corner

Ashley Tisdale’s ‘Toxic Mom’ Clan Drama

[25:44–38:47]

• Deep dive into Ashley Tisdale’s essay about leaving a “toxic mom group,” and the internet’s subsequent sleuthing and leaps to conclusions.
• Speculation, rumors, and the dangers of assumptions on social media dissected:
  • “Now I gotta know the details – whether it’s about them or not... I want the gossip.” – Fran [31:09]
  • The reality of adult friendships and how group dynamics shift: “You think when you move on from high school… that the toxic friend groups disappear. When actually older women can be the most nasty at times.” – Fran [33:49]
• Ultimately, her rep clarifies that the public speculation was incorrect, and the drama spirals further.

Real Housewives & Reality TV Updates

[43:13–47:01]

• Salt Lake City reunion trailer teases drama so chaotic that Andy Cohen “walks off” set.
  • “It’s almost like the teacher in school when they just had enough and walked out… whoa, we went too far.” – Fran [44:20]
• Quick notes on the TLC documentary about Mary Cosby and shifting opinions on her as a housewife.

Book & Film Gossip: The Housemaid Sequel & Sydney Sweeney

[49:10–55:05]

• “The Housemaid” is getting a movie sequel; hosts discuss mixed reactions to the first film and critiques of Sydney Sweeney’s acting.
• Conversation veers into favorite book genres, polarizing book opinions, and how adaptations stack up to source material.

4. Popcorner Hot Takes (Listener Calls & Culture Debates)

TV Spoiler Frustrations & Bachelorette Speculation

[56:44–59:37]

• Listeners lament the challenge of avoiding spoilers for the upcoming “Bachelorette” with Taylor Frankie Paul, given her public profile.

YouTube, Billboard, & the Future of Music Videos

[59:37–68:18]

• A caller asks how the removal of YouTube streams from Billboard charts will affect music and music videos:
  • “I always thought it was just like listening, streaming, radio. I didn’t even think of YouTube.” – Fran [60:56]
  • Hosts conclude music videos probably aren’t going anywhere (“I always love a music video…” – Noah [64:28]) but discuss the shifting landscape and convoluted music licensing issues for creators and businesses.

Awards Show Hot Take: Should Repeat Acting Wins Be Allowed?

[68:21–72:10]

• Caller suggests actors should only win once per role. The group disagrees, arguing new seasons bring new challenges, but appreciate the idea as a debate-starter:
  • “Different storylines, your character can go through so many different things.” – Fran [69:29]
  • “Almost like participation awards – I’m not down with that.” – Fran [71:01]

Shakespeare, ‘Hamnet’, and Taylor Swift Connections

[73:08–87:59]

• Caller Kayla wonders if Taylor Swift (notorious Shakespeare fan) will watch “Hamnet” starring her ex, Joe Alwyn. Fran and Rhea doubt it given the long relationship, but find the question fun – leading to a winding, hilarious discussion of Shakespeare’s real life, pop culture legacy, and the problem of factual gaps in historical biopics.
  • “Sometimes you forget Shakespeare’s a real person!” – Fran [80:44]
• The hosts admit to feeling exposed about their Shakespeare knowledge, but embrace it: “He’s a star-studded name, and we don’t know much about him.” – Fran [83:07]

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FEATURE INTERVIEW: CHELSEA HANDLER

[89:29–128:32]

Critics Choice Awards BTS & Roasting the Stars

• Handler describes prepping to host for the fourth time. She loves setting the tone and isn’t afraid to “go in on” big names.
  • “I feel very competent at that skill set… that’s my jam.” – Chelsea Handler [91:41]
• Most memorable roast: Leonardo DiCaprio, who she knows socially. She also notes that Jeff Bezos “deserves to be shamed.”
  • “Leo had the best reaction.” – Chelsea Handler [93:39]
• Awards show chaos: Timothée Chalamet reportedly “blowing up the bathroom,” presenting logistical challenges.
• On celebrities’ performances: “I love that she [Taylor Swift] just gives her money away to so many different people. How can you say anything negative about a person who does that?” – Chelsea Handler [90:44]

Chelsea’s Whistler Lifestyle & Drug Stories

• Handler shares her dual life—workaholic in LA, “homeless” ski bum in Whistler with a house full of kids (not hers).
  • “Kids like me because I’m not interested. … I want kids to have a person like me in their life to show them what’s possible.” – Chelsea Handler [100:51]
• She reflects on learning to ski after an embarrassing double-black-diamond date with a Kennedy-adjacent ex (“I ignored the red flag for two years…”), and taking lessons with both male and female instructors.
• Travel, “psychedelic conference” in Antarctica, and her distaste for ketamine.
• Ayahuasca experience changed her relationship with her sister:
  • “…This voice is talking to me… telling me I had to be nicer to my sister. … It was like an iPod shuffle of memories.” – Chelsea Handler [106:46]

High & Mighty Tour & Advice Podcast

• Chelsea’s “High and Mighty Tour” begins in February, focusing on travel, drugs, family stories, and self-improvement.
• Praises the liberating power of “editing” family for boundaries and happiness.
• Her advice podcast “Dear Chelsea” (soon on Netflix) is about helping people take leaps and “get out of bad relationships,” with a favorite anecdote about quitting pot alongside a caller.

Notable Quotes

• “People need to know you can cut people out of your family. Who gives a shit? You don’t have to say it’s forever.” – Chelsea Handler [109:51]
• “I like to take drugs around the world and give them to people. … I feel like I’m healing people.” – Chelsea Handler [108:37]
• On being direct: “You don’t have to be a cunt about it – you can just say something that’s hard to hear in a nice way.” – Chelsea Handler [118:35]
• On Hollywood romance: “I use these award shows in the same way I use my TV: to hit on men I’m attracted to.” – Chelsea Handler on her attempts to pursue Ralph Fiennes [124:28]

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Notable & Memorable Moments

• Espresso tutorials and TikTok rabbit holes. [08:32–14:23]
• Fran, Rhea, and Noah’s confusion over Billboard chart rules and music licensing. [59:37–68:18]
• The Ashley Tisdale friend drama spiral showing the unpredictability of social media mob mentality. [25:44–38:47]
• Chelsea’s anecdote about legitimately changing her life after ayahuasca (“iPod shuffle of memories”). [106:46]
• Jane Fonda once sat Chelsea down to call out bad behavior—leading to a true friendship and personal growth. [118:44–120:37]

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Interview Timestamps

• [89:29] Chelsea joins the show: pop culture, Taylor Swift, and Critics Choice Awards
• [91:41] Roasting celebrities; awards show nerves and tactics
• [93:39] Best reactions, BTS logistics (Timothée Chalamet’s bathroom breaks)
• [94:59] Oprah, mending impressions, and forgiveness
• [99:44] Whistler, the “youth hostel” holiday house, and how Chelsea parents other people’s kids
• [101:45] The skiing origin story, conquering black diamonds, and ex-flings as ski instructors
• [104:09] Antarctica psychedelic boat trip, ketamine, ayahuasca, and “healing” with drugs
• [108:34] High & Mighty Tour and advice for “editing” family
• [112:35] Dear Chelsea podcast, call-in follow-ups, and advice philosophy
• [119:44] Jane Fonda calls her out: the power of honest female friendship
• [124:28] “Using” the Critics Choice Awards to hit on Ralph Fiennes
• [125:51] On her past with 50 Cent, gambling in Vegas, and post-show rituals

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Final Thoughts & Takeaways

• January blues are universal—espresso and Dyson vacuums can help.
• Adult friendship politics are as messy as high school; Ashley Tisdale’s story shows the internet is quick to judge.
• Chelsea Handler is unabashedly herself, whether roasting A-listers or teaching listeners to set boundaries—her approach is equal parts vulnerable, irreverent, and empowering.
• The pop culture world remains unpredictable and captivating, from music charts to award shows to the perennial mysteries of Shakespeare and literary adaptations.
• If you need a good laugh, a sharp perspective, or candid life advice, Chelsea’s new tour and Netflix podcast are not to be missed.

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Resources / Further Listening

• Chelsea Handler’s High & Mighty Tour: ChelseaHandler.com
• Dear Chelsea podcast (soon on Netflix)
• Chicks in the Office YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts

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End of Summary
“January is the Sunday of the week. Some might think it’s the Monday, but in my brain, January is the Sunday…” – Fran [03:02]

Transcript

[Rhea]

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[Rhea]

What's up, everyone?

[Fran]

It's Chicks in the office. With Rhea and Fran giving you that fri day energy on a Wednesday, we have reached the the middle of the week in the first week of January, ladies and gentlemen, and I have to say, the doom and gloom of January.

[Rhea]

It is here.

[Fran]

Yeah, I woke up fucking feeling it today. I said, oh, wow. Yeah, it's hit.

[Rhea]

Yeah, it does, it does. It's just the gray, the cold, and the taking down of the. Chris. I know I already. I'm sound like a broken record, I'm saying it again. But the Christmas trees on the streets and taking down your own Christmas tree did have a couple people DM me like, wait, what's going on here? Because I posted a picture of all the trees piled up on the sidewalk. For those that don't live in New York, I mean, that's kind of, that's what happens. Like if you've got a big apartment building, people have Christmas trees, they all go out on the sidewalk and they all, you know, trash comes and takes them away.

[Fran]

It's like in Toy Story when the toys are all being.

[Rhea]

Yeah, No, I hate it. It makes me so sad. I put on a movie Monday night and just, like, put all my Christmas lights. Like my tree's still up. Like, I just really let me live in this. Milking it for a little bit longer. Cause then you walk around New York, you see my normal route with Olive. There's all these great Christmas decorations, and I always walk by Gramercy park, and that tree was already taken down.

[Fran]

I was like, ugh, man, it's over, honey. We gotta pack it up.

[Rhea]

I know, I know. But it is nice knowing that, like, January is a very much like a, you know, a reset month. Really don't have any plans, which is nice. Like, I. I got nothing.

[Fran]

January is the Sunday of the week. Some might think it's the Monday, but in my brain, January is the Sunday. It could be long. It could be dreary. It's the anticipation for the year. Yeah. Like. Like how Sunday is the anticipation for the week. You're kind of just wa for the rest of the year. Then February comes. It's Monday. Goes by quick. Yeah. You know, you maybe dried it a little bit, but it comes. Goes by quick. Then March, Tuesday. All right, we're in it now. We are in it, but things are right around the corner. April, that's a Wednesday. There's, like, a little more light. Oh, my gosh. Thursday is tomorrow.

[Rhea]

It just goes.

[Fran]

And then May is Thursday. May is a huge Thursday month. People are, like, dipping their toes in sometimes. It's getting hotter.

[Rhea]

What do you do with the summer now?

[Fran]

Friday.

[Noah]

June is more. Or Thursday.

[Fran]

Friday is June. And then when you're in the middle of it, July is Saturday. Yeah, July. And then August is Sunday. Because then you're like, oh, you're holding on to those.

[Rhea]

Starts over again.

[Fran]

No, no, it just kind of ends there. It's like. Just goes from January to August. And then I feel like maybe August, September, October, November.

[Rhea]

Yeah, I don't know. I like my. I honestly like my Sundays too much that I don't think January is Sunday to me.

[Fran]

Really?

[Noah]

I see the same thing.

[Rhea]

January is worse than a Sunday to me. Like, especially a good Sunday or a beautiful Sunday afternoon or a football Sunday in the fall. Like, that's a good Sunday to me. January gets, like, Tuesday.

[Fran]

You guys know that I don't like Sundays. So that's why, in my brain, that makes sense. Sunday, like, Sunday, I'm like, oh. I just know that the weekend's about to end.

[Noah]

I feel like August is Saturday because you know how, like, on Saturday, it's still Saturday, but you're kind of like, wow, the weekend's like, over. So you're like, we're still in the summer, but like, damn, it's August. It's over.

[Rhea]

I see that.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

I see that.

[Fran]

Everybody has their own interpretation.

[Rhea]

Yeah, well, everybody has different favorites. Everyone has on different.

[Fran]

Exactly.

[Noah]

What's your favorite day of.

[Rhea]

Day of the week?

[Fran]

My favorite day of the week is Friday.

[Rhea]

Yeah. I mean, Friday's pretty universally loved, but.

[Fran]

I also love Wednesdays.

[Noah]

But some people might even argue, like, a Thursday night. Because you're like, wow, it's here.

[Rhea]

Yeah, Right.

[Fran]

I love it there. Listen, anywhere from Wednesday to Saturday, I love. It's the Sunday. Monday, Tuesday.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

That I just weirdly, Sunday. I've actually come to, like. I used to hate Sundays, but I've come to really love a Sunday. And Monday, Tuesday just are the worst.

[Fran]

I feel pretty fucking useless on Sundays. Like, that's my. Like. And no matter what I do, even if I wake up, work out in the morning, go grocery shopping, do everything useless on Sundays, I just feel useless. I'm just like, ugh. I'm just useless. Like, I like Monday better than Sunday.

[Rhea]

Yeah. But some days, like, you still have an excuse to get people together. Like, friends still want to go. Still do stuff. Like, it's not like, during. Totally. A day of the week where they're like, ah, I'll go grab like, little aperol spritz at one and sit outside on like, a nice spring Saturday. See, I don't like that.

[Fran]

I don't even like to drink on Sunday.

[Rhea]

You love that one. Recap the weekend with your friends.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah. Not my thing.

[Rhea]

But listen, it's yours. Yep.

[Fran]

You know? Yep. So it's just the January just glue.

[Rhea]

Yeah. But I do think we can all agree Tuesday is up there is one of the worst.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Because Tuesday, it's still the beginning of the week. But Tuesday night, I can get on board.

[Rhea]

Maybe. Maybe.

[Noah]

I think I like Tuesday less than Monday.

[Rhea]

Monday morning. Sometimes I'm like, ah, you got a little zip. You're like, ah, sorry, the week. Tuesday morning, you're like, fuck.

[Fran]

I can agree with liking Monday more than Tuesday.

[Rhea]

Yeah, I like. I think I like a Monday morning.

[Chelsea Handler]

I don't know.

[Noah]

I feel like Monday's just.

[Fran]

No, but everybody. To me, Monday is like, everybody's going after it, you know, Like, Monday morning. Everybody's got to deal with a Monday morning. Yeah, no, yeah, yeah.

[Noah]

I see what you're saying.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

We're all in this together.

[Fran]

We Exactly.

[Rhea]

Monday's up. We're all in this together.

[Noah]

Tuesday you're not. You're on your own.

[Rhea]

Tuesday is just like Tuesday, everybody.

[Fran]

You're okay.

[Rhea]

I'm.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You do you. I'm gonna do me.

[Rhea]

I hope you make it through the week. I'm trying to get through mine.

[Fran]

There's hope on Monday. Tuesday, the hope's got you do more.

[Noah]

Like you're not gonna go out to dinner on like a Monday, but I feel like on a Tuesday you would like in terms of, like, maybe you go out more on a Tuesday.

[Rhea]

Maybe. But I think like, as a, you.

[Noah]

Know, so then you have that to look forward.

[Rhea]

I don't know.

[Fran]

Yeah, I'm probably not doing.

[Rhea]

Not go on Monday.

[Fran]

Tuesday.

[Rhea]

Rarely am I out on a Monday or Tuesday.

[Fran]

Monday or Tuesday now, you know, Wednesday.

[Rhea]

Thursday, Tuesday's not much in the running unless I'm getting a reserv that I was not able to get on any other day of the week.

[Fran]

That is true. But it's. Yeah, it's just. I just woke up today feeling that January.

[Rhea]

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. It's there.

[Fran]

I see we're in the middle of it, but we're gonna fight it together. We're gonna fight it with a lot of espresso.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And yeah, I got a new espresso machine.

[Rhea]

I was gonna say, do you want to talk about your new espresso machine?

[Fran]

God, it's a journey. Yeah.

[Rhea]

I didn't realize how hard those things are.

[Fran]

It is very hard.

[Rhea]

And weirdly, after you texted us about it, us being Joe and myself, all my tick Tocks. Of course, like, this is the way tick tock works. Like after you texted being like, we figured it out and Matt saying, like, they want you guys watch so many videos. All my entire tick tock was like, I got the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and here's how to use it. And like people having 19 cups of. Of failure before they get it the right way.

[Fran]

It's so hard to get the grind right. And it's a whole fucking thing. It's. God, mind my cursing. You know, it's January. It is really something. So we got the Breville. Breville. I don't know if I'm pronouncing it right.

[Chelsea Handler]

Breville.

[Fran]

The Breville machine, the espresso, the Breville Barista touch.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Fran]

And boy, you gotta really fine tune this thing. But each bag of beans is different. So once you get. You got. People recommend getting beans from a local coffee shop, you know, not ordering them. So we Got from a local coffee shop in Jersey City. We got these beans. I did my research work and I found the best beans. And realizing that not only are you gonna have to change the setting every time you get a new bag of beans, you might have to change the setting every couple. Couple cups. You know, it's like really fine tuning it. But when you get that right shot of espresso, nothing is stronger.

[Rhea]

How do you know it is bad? Like, do I have.

[Fran]

Oh, my God, it's so sour. Oh, oh, oh, oh. We had a couple of sour ones. Shit.

[Rhea]

Okay, that sounds awful.

[Fran]

Oh, it's bad. It is bad news. And Matt has ordered every single tool that you can possibly get for this thing to try to make the perfect shot. And that won't even work. Like, yeah, sometimes you think you got all the right swings and you don't get the tamp right. You know, there's tamping involved. Twisting, grinding. A sour shot is so funky. But when you get just the right shot and that nutty, bold flavor comes through, oh, it's a whole different world. A really good espresso shot will change your morning. Yeah, a really bad one.

[Rhea]

Bad one.

[Fran]

Like, you want to puke over the second.

[Rhea]

It does kind of go to show. Like, that's probably why people are. You know, everyone starts off, they get a. They get something easy. Maybe a little Nespresso. You just gotta press the button and then you're like, fuck it, I gotta graduate to something else. And then you get that and you're like, shit, why'd I leave my Nespresso?

[Fran]

We. Well, we had the Nespresso. We still have it. Because we don't want to. Just in case.

[Rhea]

Well, it's like. It's just a commitment for every morning. Like, some mornings you just want to wake up and press the button when.

[Fran]

You'Re in a rush.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

But it's sort of like a hobby. It's a nice thing to get involved with.

[Rhea]

Right, right, right.

[Fran]

Sometimes.

[Rhea]

Right. It's an activity. It's a.

[Fran]

It's a whole thing. And I saw a couple of girls respond being like, I just got this same machine. Please tell me how you do it. The problem is my settings are not going to be your settings.

[Rhea]

Because you have different beans.

[Fran]

We got different beans. We learned this the hard way when we would take a setting from a certain video and it would come out completely sour. You gotta. You gotta fine tune your own setting. You gotta play around. Sometimes it'll take you 19 cups of coffee, like you said.

[Rhea]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Fran]

Until you get that Right. I'm feeling like Will Ferrell in Picking and Screaming.

[Rhea]

It's just like. Then you're wasting so many beans.

[Fran]

You are. It's wasteful and that's not exciting either. But the excitement comes when you get it the right one. And so it's. Yeah, it's a hobby and it's time consuming, ladies and gentlemen. Damn. Thinking about. Oh, so I'm starting live streaming.

[Rhea]

Giant one on my registry. It's like now I'm. I'm like, Joe, I don't even know. Like, should we return this thing? Like, I. We're never. This sound terrifying.

[Fran]

Joe said he was gonna go take a class. Yeah. Which I would recommend. Yeah, you should. You gotta become a full blown barista in your own home to do this.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Fran]

But I am gonna start live streaming Tuesday nights from my home on the Chicks in the office YouTube. 7:30pm Eastern next Tuesday. We are starting. I'm thinking about sometimes just live streaming, making espresso.

[Rhea]

Totally. Just set the camera.

[Fran]

How are we gonna get the right.

[Rhea]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

Could be in silence. I'm just gonna try and get the right shot.

[Rhea]

There's probably great. Just probably kind of great. Asmr. Like, there's a lot of good sounds, great sounds, you know, grind. Maybe a little. A little heat, like a little. You can also, you know, the whirling sound that it makes, the pouring sound.

[Fran]

You can also tell when the shot's coming out if it's gonna be good or bad because it's gotta start coming out around 10 seconds. And then it starts black and then it goes to a dark brown. Then it goes to a creme, a cream. So it's more of like a crema that begins. And it should be anywhere between 25 and 35 seconds. The shot you gotta start off with 18 grams of beans. I had to get a scale. I got a food scale. Okay. My nightmare, I got a food scale next to the.

[Rhea]

When I see girls on TikTok start to bring out their food scale, I skip the video.

[Fran]

Well, this is for the beans.

[Rhea]

No, I know, but I'm just saying.

[Fran]

In general, I have not used it for food. No, I know. And I can't go down that path. Yeah, yeah. So we got the food scale for the beans and we're weighing 18 grams of beans every time. And then you want the 18 grams of beans to then come out and equal almost like 36 grams once it's done. I don't know. This is like all shit. I'm. How many.

[Rhea]

How many shots is 18 grams supposed.

[Fran]

To produce two double.

[Rhea]

Okay.

[Fran]

Double espresso for that. Yeah. So 18 grams of beans, you got to weigh it out.

[Rhea]

You have to weigh the beans or.

[Fran]

Else it's a nightmare. You have to have a food scale for this. You can't, you can't guesstimate the beans or else it'll be a nightmare trying to get the right shot. Sorry. I'm getting like actually heated.

[Rhea]

Let me tell you. It is making me want to hit return on the one that I have.

[Fran]

But it could be.

[Rhea]

That's still in its box, but maybe I'll never unbox.

[Fran]

It's really rewarding when you do get it. Yeah, yeah. Oh, this is a good cup. It's a good shot. So, yeah, gotta get the tamper. Little thing to grind out the clumps.

[Rhea]

It's a whole thing. Jeez.

[Fran]

It's a whole thing.

[Rhea]

Baristas over there.

[Fran]

No, I. Let me tell you, I have a newfound respect for baristas. I didn't know how much they were doing. I thought they were just pressing buttons.

[Rhea]

Right?

[Fran]

You know. No, they're not. They are putting in a lot of work to make sure your coffee, your special shots, whatever you want tastes good. You want a cappuccino? Cappuccino art. We're trying to do that cappuccino art. Not as easy as it looks. Gotta have the right little wiggle with your hand. You don't got that right wiggle. Looks like a big clump in the middle. Yeah, right, right, right. You know, it's a lot. It's a lot. But catch my live streams of trying to make espresso.

[Rhea]

Well, I told Noah because, you know, first episode. Watch me, watch me try to per the perfect express. Honestly, cool. Lock in.

[Fran]

I know, but I, I said this to Noah because we have a more things that we're going to announce soon that I think people are going to love on the ticks in the office.

[Rhea]

YouTube that some fun ideas for 2026.

[Fran]

Yes. And you know, we want to get into the streaming world just a little bit more. And I said to Noah, I said, unfortunately, Noah, I think you might have to come to my apartment some Tuesday nights to hold a camera and.

[Rhea]

Damn.

[Fran]

Sorry, Noah. Maybe watch me cook dinner and make, you know, just live stream cooking dinner.

[Rhea]

You probably get a nice meal.

[Fran]

You probably get free meals.

[Noah]

True. That's true.

[Rhea]

Think about. So there is a. You have a nice home cooked meal those nights.

[Noah]

Maybe you should just make me a guest room there.

[Fran]

I mean, the streaming room is also a guest room.

[Rhea]

So just throw Out a nice little.

[Fran]

Yeah, we'll set it up nicer. You leave chocolates on the bed. That type of thing. Like a hotel. You have your own bathroom. Nice.

[Rhea]

The room's there for you, pal.

[Fran]

Yeah, why not? The room's already there. Yeah. So espresso making coming your way. God, is it hard. But stick with it, ladies. Yeah, don't return them just yet. You'll get it, you will. But I can't give you the advice for it. Find your own beans and find your own way. God damn it. All right. How are you guys feeling today?

[Rhea]

Good. Good. I don't really have anything to add to my life as of right now. I feel like I filled everybody in and I picked up Olive and that was so nice. I was so excited to see.

[Fran]

How was the reunion?

[Rhea]

She's just the best. Even though I was only away from her for a week, I was like, you got like. You the same, right?

[Fran]

Do you remember me?

[Rhea]

I'm like, has anything changed?

[Fran]

Was she super excited?

[Rhea]

Does everything all right? Yeah, she was. It was very cute. Ran up to me, lots of kisses and. And that's it.

[Fran]

Extra good snuggles.

[Rhea]

Yeah, lots. Ugh. She's just the cutest.

[Fran]

Good.

[Rhea]

I did get a new vacuum recently. Talking about Olive. And while we're in, household appliances. My God, does that Dyson really do magic stuff with dog hair?

[Chelsea Handler]

Really?

[Rhea]

Oh, my God. It's my new favorite thing. Yeah, my new favorite thing. Because sometimes Olive sleeps in bed. And when she does, don't be ashamed. I know, but people are weird. Because people are weird sometimes. They're like, you know, everybody's got an opinion about something.

[Fran]

If you want your dog to sleep, you let your dog sleep.

[Rhea]

I know, I know. I mean, I. Yes. And she. And she sleeps under the covers.

[Fran]

Fine.

[Rhea]

She's so cute. She sleeps out of the covers. And when I wake up and I turn on my lights and I go, oh, my God, it's just a disaster. But that bad boy, right up 30 seconds, brand new.

[Fran]

So then it's like.

[Rhea]

It's amazing.

[Fran]

What does it even matter?

[Rhea]

No, it's amazing. I know. It's just amazing. Just the little things. You're like, wow, this thing really fucking works. Raining endorsement. Because I've tried some others that have not worked as well, but this one, it works.

[Fran]

It's nice when a product like that lives up to the hype. When it's so expensive and, you know, big talk around it and it's like, oh, well, it does what it does. It does.

[Rhea]

And actually got it as A wedding gift as well was just a late arrival from one of Joe's friends because he has dogs. And he was like, I've been trying to think about what to get you guys. But then after you guys got Olive, I was like, oh, maybe I should just get her this because he loves it so much for their dogs. And he was right.

[Fran]

Great gift.

[Rhea]

He was right.

[Fran]

Yeah, there you go.

[Rhea]

He was right.

[Fran]

I love how Noah jumped in and went cordless. Cordless, so important. Yeah, it is.

[Noah]

I last year got like my first vacuum that doesn't have any cord. The one thing is like the battery. It's like, how long does the battery last?

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rhea]

The Dyson is actually notoriously like, does.

[Chelsea Handler]

Not last very long.

[Noah]

That's the worst feeling is like you're in your cleaning mode and then it dies and then you're just like, I can't do it now.

[Fran]

Right. You're stuck. You're stuck. There is something about it. And I will say the cordless is great. There is something about an old school vacuum.

[Rhea]

Right.

[Fran]

Janky old school vacuum that you got to plug in and each room you go into, you got to replug it in.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Where it really does the job.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Noah]

You know like you're getting pulled, right.

[Rhea]

No, it's just like it's vacuum and that. Great. And your grandma's vacuum has lasted her 50 years and has never failed her.

[Fran]

And it's a nostalgic feeling being pulled back by the wire and having a. Oh shit, I gotta plug it into the one over here. Something nice about it, you know, it.

[Noah]

Can never fit in the crevices though.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, that's true.

[Rhea]

You guys know what I was getting on TikTok? I don't know if any, any of you got these videos over over New Year's Eve, but I actually want to talk about it on Monday and I forgot. Have you seen any videos of what Epcot on New Year's Eve. Looks like neither of you people getting blackout. Let me tell you something. Yeah, probably.

[Chelsea Handler]

I mean, yeah, not us.

[Rhea]

Not us, but yeah. Let me tell you. I don't know why I TikTok decided to serve me New Year's Eve at Epcot. Like all day on New Year's Day. But what an absolute time it is. A full blown like DJ dance party in every country.

[Chelsea Handler]

Really.

[Rhea]

Everyone's going fucking nuts. Different music in each one, different music, different DJs. They're filling the whole square light show, everything. And each one is different with that. Each country at different ones. I didn't See, I had. I had no idea they did this.

[Fran]

And I would have no idea.

[Noah]

Like, celebrate. Are they celebrating the time?

[Fran]

Like, country.

[Rhea]

Good question.

[Fran]

Such a good point.

[Rhea]

Good question. I don't know, but they do. Obviously.

[Noah]

China in 12.

[Rhea]

Obviously they do. Obviously they do, like, fireworks at Disney and the whole thing, but, like, look at this.

[Fran]

Wow, that looks sick. It's like a whole. It's a festival.

[Noah]

That'd be kind of fun, though.

[Fran]

It's like, oh, my God, they're going bananas.

[Noah]

It's like noon. At noon, you're celebrating China, and then at midnight you're celebrating.

[Fran]

Yeah, that's kind of.

[Noah]

That'd be cool. All day you're just like, going to.

[Fran]

Different.

[Rhea]

People are going crazy.

[Fran]

That is a good idea. If they're not doing that with the different times, they should.

[Noah]

But then I feel like you'd be, like, sleeping in the middle night. You'd start hearing fireworks go out.

[Rhea]

Like, I'm like, does this happen every year? Or like, like, like.

[Chelsea Handler]

Or.

[Rhea]

Cause I'm like, why am I just seeing a million people post about this on TikTok?

[Fran]

Never been on our radar. But I will say that big of a crowd is like, my nightmare.

[Rhea]

Oh, it is. It does look like a lot of people.

[Fran]

That looks like my nightmare. I would step one foot in that place and say, oh, my God, I gotta go home.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Noah]

Not with our VIP guide.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

I don't know how much. I don't know how much he's helping with the giants. Smoke dragon coming out in China with other.

[Fran]

Oh, my God. You know, that looks. If you really throw your. If you immerse yourself into it and you just lean in. Yeah, that could be a great time. I agree. But it. I just looks like my nightmare.

[Rhea]

I just had no idea. I had no idea this was. You know, I had no idea this was happening.

[Fran]

And you're in Florida every year. New Year's.

[Rhea]

No idea this was happening.

[Chelsea Handler]

That.

[Rhea]

That's something that they do there.

[Fran]

Is it something you would consider doing? No, not.

[Noah]

What if, like, you had kids?

[Rhea]

No, but I just thought, like, wow, they do that.

[Fran]

How cool. How funny. Yeah. Yeah.

[Noah]

I was itching to go back on the Guardians ride, like, last week. I think, like, September came on the radio and I was like, damn.

[Rhea]

Yeah, that was. That was a really. That was a really great roller coaster this time of year, though. And, you know, I was seeing the crowd videos of the crowds as well. It's just. It's very. Everybody goes that around that time. The. In between days, it just looked packed. But if you're going New Year's Eve.

[Fran]

I did see Universal. Looked insanely packed.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

All the lines.

[Rhea]

Yep, yep.

[Fran]

But you think you're being different, but you're not.

[Rhea]

No, you're not. Everyone's going, you're not.

[Noah]

You're not.

[Rhea]

But my God, did that, that New Year's Eve at Epcot. Look it up if you.

[Fran]

You gotta look up the videos if.

[Rhea]

You haven't seen the videos. But yeah, I.

[Fran]

It took me.

[Rhea]

It surprised me.

[Fran]

I'm hoping I get more now that we talked about this on my pizza. You probably will. You probably. I wanna watch more. Yeah, I'm. All right. Let's get into the rest of the show. We have a great episode, great interview, a lot of fun. We have Chelsea Handler on today's episode. She hosted the Critics Choice Awards on Sunday night. And she has been on the show before, but years ago. So happy to have her back on. Always so much fun talking about a whole array of topics and always such a treat. So we're so excited about that. And then we got a couple of topics to touch on. And the Popcorner. So let's get into it. We're gonna talk about Ashley Tisdale leaving her quote unquote toxic mom friend group. The Salt Lake City reunion trailer has dropped. Maybe Andy Cohen not too happy there. And the Housemaid sequel has been announced. It is coming. And we have the Popcorner and Chelsea Handler. So look forward to that. And let's get into the rest of the show. Abercrombie's 90s inspired jeans are designed to fit and feel better than vintage. Fran is currently rocking some amazing Abercrombie jeans right now. We are loving their denim. We also love all of their cute sweater dresses. I'm currently in one right now. There is so much to offer at Abercrombie. They have classic silhouettes come in denim with just enough stretch to keep you feeling comfortable and confident. And then on top of that, your personal best, which is Abercrombie's activewear brand, is my favorite. They have the most comfortable activewear brand. No seam in the front. I am loving it. And I tell everybody I know because I'll wear a workout set to the gym. Everyone's like, where'd you get that set? Like, it's Abercrombie. You gotta try it out. Their personal. Your personal best is amazing. And their leggings are designed to show off your perfect little butt. They come in both Sculpt luxe Studio flex fabric. So there's a pair for every workout that you're trying to do or if you're just trying to look cute, maybe you don't want to go to a workout. Maybe you just want to look cute in a set. They have it for you. So you've done the work, and the new Active is here to support it. Build your Abercrombie denim collection. Shop in the app online and in stores. Also shop YPB by Abercrombie in the app online and in stores. This came up over the break. We didn't touch about it on Monday, but more and more is coming out. Ashley Tisdale talked about leaving her what she calls toxic mom friend group. And now that started a speculation of who was in the group, who. She's unfollowed. Yeah. Notable names being Hilary Duff, Mandy Moore, or two people she unfollowed. Also, Meghan Trainor seemed to be in the group. You know, there had been a lot of pictures and other women as well in these pictures. Now everyone's speculating about it. What happened? Whose side are we on? We want to know more about the toxicity in the friend group.

[Rhea]

Why was this being shared in the first place?

[Fran]

Right. And then a deeper look into, you know, Ashley Tisdale's past friendships and these women going forward. A lot of discussion around it.

[Rhea]

It did, and it really kind of spiraled into this whole different narrative about Ashley Tisdale that I was unaware of. But she has also. Her people, I believe, have said that we're all wrong and none of this is right and blah, blah, blah. We'll get to that. But the article comes out. You know why I love my toxic mom group? She's on the cuts behind a paywall. But everybody's. Everybody's reading it. It's getting reposed, it's getting reshared, and she's talking about, like, becoming a mom and just the desire to have other mom friends and be able to find people that you can talk to about these things. And, you know, she felt like she found that group and then starting to realize that there were certain things that, you know, she wasn't being invited to or they were planning for events, and she was there. And there was one example. She said that, like, you know, that these women were making plans at her own daughter's birthday. She wasn't like. And then she wasn't invited to them. And it got to the point of some beating around the bush, maybe some passive aggressiveness, just like, wondering why I'm not included in these things, but then seeing on social media that they're all together. And so instead of just Sort of letting it fizzle out. She said that she wrote in the group chat, you know, I'm basically removing myself, blah, blah, blah, takes herself out. And some of the women had something to say. Oh, you know, we thought you were invited all the time. You just didn't want to, like, you just didn't go or other reasons. She said one woman sent her flowers, but like, it was just a lot of maybe excuses. And she was like, whatever this is, I'm done with this. I don't want to be part of it. So everyone reads that. And of course they go back to the fact that there are pictures online of her with other moms, mom friends. And we had seen those before. And then the Internet went wild. It was like, well, she must be talking about these people. And I bet it's because this, this and this. And they had said, oh, you know, Mandy Moore had lost her home in the fire. And somewhere around that time, Ashley Tizzit was talking about buying a new house or something, you know, something like that. And then people started to speculate her political beliefs had something to do with it. They were like, like, if you open tick tock, it all of a sudden was like, well, Ashley Tizzo's maga. And it was like, what, what? It's like sometimes I think people just say that and they're just like, well, what? Where's what from? What evidence?

[Fran]

Right?

[Rhea]

And then like, people didn't have anything to say. Like, people comment, but why? It's like they're. They're fighting back and forth. And I don't know if that. I don't know if that's true, if it's not true. Whatever she, her, I think she had her publicist or somebody spoke to, to TMZ and said that one. This wasn't the group of people she was talking about.

[Fran]

So it's like now that's like, yeah, that's unfortunate for all the people getting dragged in from an old photograph.

[Rhea]

So it's like, it's like everyone immediately jumped to some fact that it was all these women. And it's because Ashley Tiz Hills like some maga, like hardcore maga, that that's why she's out, which is like, like why we just make that up. Like, I think people just like took their own lives and their own problems.

[Fran]

They're like, well, it must be.

[Rhea]

Must be having these problems. And her rep shut that down hard, stressing to tmz. It's completely false, especially since she's a registered Democrat and representative for Ashley tells TMZ it's unfortunate heard the cut essay meant to spotlight her experience with toxic mom group is getting twisted in clickbait, adding there's zero truth to what online detectives detectives think that they've crashed cracked. Especially since the piece wasn't even about Mandy Moore, Hilary Duff, or Meghan Trainor. Like they're assuming. And then she said she's a registered Democrat. Bottom line. Then TMZ wrote, lastly, they are. Lastly they add her Rep. Ashley penned a beautiful, meaningful assay on a very real issue in mom circles. Pulling from her own experience of being shut out of social hang so hard from a completely different group of friends. It made her feel like she was right back in high school. Bottom line, the whole thing got blown out of proportion and Ashley's already putting a lid on it, making it clear this was never about Mandy, Hillary, me, politics. Now, that article or that statement is not being shared anywhere. Like, I've only seen that on tmz and I have not seen that anywhere else. Everywhere else is like, Mandy Moore, Meghan Trainor, Hilary Duff. How will they respond? Some other woman that I guess is in the friend group, like, posted some Instagram story. They're like, see how this women woman responds to Ashley Tisdale's claims. It's like, well, was that even what happened? I don't know.

[Fran]

Well, to people when they read this article and then they remember that there have been pictures of Ashley Tisdale with these other their moms and their notable names. Yeah, it's juicy, right? Right. They want to that juicy story. Yeah. Oh, it must be one of these famous people that she's talking about.

[Rhea]

Now.

[Fran]

It's very fair to want to share your experiences. If you did have a toxic friend group that you were a part of and you want to talk about it. On the other hand of that, you don't know what, maybe that friend group didn't like something she did. You know, like, this is where it's.

[Rhea]

So hard to share when you're that.

[Fran]

Level of famous, you know, and as soon as you share, people want to know more. But for me, now, I gotta know the details, whether it's about them or not about them. I want to know what happened in this toxic mom friend group. Now I'm, look, now I'm like, this is like mom talk, you know, but in a different area. I need to know who did what to who so we can decide who we're defending here. Are we sticking up for Ashley Tisdale against her toxic mom friend group, or did the toxic mom friend group have A reasoning as to why they were leaving Ashley out. You know what's happening. I want to know more now. Now I'm being nosy. I want the gossip.

[Rhea]

I know, I know. It is crazy.

[Fran]

You can't take a side unless you know the reasonings.

[Rhea]

Yeah, it is crazy. And it's hard because I know. I'm sure plenty of people can relate to this, whether you were on one side or the other, or if you're like, oh, my God, this does take me back to high school, or this does take me back to dealing with new friends at an older age. Or you're trying to. You're trying to break into a. A new friend group. I'm sure that there's plenty of ladies who, you know when their kid starts going to school, and then maybe some of the moms are already friends because they got kids in other grades, and then you're trying to break into that friend group, and it's just like, it's. It's, I'm sure, incredibly toxic at. At times. So good for Ashley, I guess, for. For. For writing this out and getting her feelings out about it. I'm sure I would imagine a lot of women have felt very similar or have had very similar experiences to this and can relate to it in some way. It's just because she is at a level of fame that everyone just is so fucking nosy that it's like, well, who are your friends? Yeah, what'd you do? Did you do anything? Or did they do something?

[Fran]

Right? And I don't think I would have looked further initially seeing Ashley Tizzo talk about this, like, oh, yeah, you know what? Fair enough. You wanted to leave a toxic friend group. Goodbye. You think further of who it could be until people started speculating about who it could be. And then you get roped into. You're like, who? Well, who is it? But like you said, and we've talked about this on the show before when we've had callers call in about, like, it's almost like you would think when you move on from high school or middle school even, like. Yeah. Or college, that the toxic friend groups disappear. When actually older women can be the most nasty at times. You know, like when we talk about moms who, like, had it out for their, you know, had it out for kids at school that their kids went to school with.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And you're like, why are you taking this out? You haven't left being a mean girl. You're still a mean girl as a mom towards your. Towards your daughter's friends. Now, you know, like, sometimes it doesn't leave people, which can be extremely toxic. So I think it is something that, like you said, people probably can relate to. Or on the other side of it, you stop being friends.

[Rhea]

You had a friend that you were.

[Fran]

Like, we gotta cut her. Right. You start. You. You have a friend that is no good.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And there's reasonings to it.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

So I know.

[Rhea]

And it's crazy because everyone just, like, loves to dive into everybody else's life. They're like, well, it couldn't. And people just, like, love Hillary Duff. So people are like, well, it couldn't possibly be about Hillary. They just. They just had their fate favorites. They like who? They like celebrities like, man and Mandy Moore and Hilary Duff, I feel, are two pretty universally loved names. And so, like, oh, my God, it couldn't possibly be from them. And everyone's like, well, you know, Hillary Duff doesn't talk to her sister anymore over, like, political stuff. That was always a rumor that's been around for years now because you never see Hillary and Haley together. And it's like, oh, well, Haley went one way and Hillary went the other politically. And so they don't. They don't, you know, they aren't able to get along because of that. And I don't even know if that's true. That's just something people have been saying for years, right? So it's just. It's just crazy. And I don't know if it's like, do you think the mom group that it's actually about is texting in their mom group? Like, holy fuck, we got away with this.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

We kicked Ashley Tisdale out and nobody knows it was us. Fucking Mandy Moore is getting blamed.

[Fran]

Yeah. I mean, thinking about that, you're just like, wow, they're probably like, oh, my God.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

What if they find out it's us?

[Rhea]

But nuts.

[Fran]

I don't know. It is nuts. And.

[Rhea]

And realistically, though, like, it probably is.

[Fran]

About them, you know, right? To jump in and be like, it's not about them. Yeah, it could be, especially if she unfollowed them. But who knows? Sometimes people say that somebody unfollowed somebody on. On Instagram or whatever, and they weren't even following them in the first place. It's just like.

[Rhea]

And you know what? Sometimes friendships just, like, stop serving you in certain ways. Like, you can have a friend that it burns so bright for a couple years where you're like, wow, this is going so well. And then, you know, it fizzles or something happens or it just doesn't end up working out. And that's okay. Not everyone, like, not every person you meet that is your friend is going to be your friend for the rest of your life for sure. People come and go and who knows, maybe, like, it's just Ashley, it just wasn't working for them at first. It was. Then as a group, it was like, like, this isn't working really for all of us.

[Fran]

And I'm sure, like, everybody has the quote, unquote, when people say my truth. Everyone has their side of the story, for sure of. Well, they were doing this, so I didn't want to be their friend anymore. And on the other side of it was like, well, they didn't want to be my friend anymore and I don't know what I did, you know, like.

[Rhea]

Yeah, and different values, different. Different things that people care more about. It's like, you'd be a friend that, like, really needs. Needs that text communication every day. But you're like, I don't do that. So it's like they think that you're being a bad friend because you're not texting them every day. But she's like, I'm not texting anyone every day.

[Fran]

It's not personal.

[Rhea]

It's not personal. It's just like you have different friendship styles and then it just doesn't work out.

[Fran]

You got to see the way people tick.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And once you learn how people tick, that's how the friendships, you know, keep going and can last for a long time. But when you. If you see how that person ticks. Right. And sometimes it may not be ticking for you, and that's when the friendship ends. And that's that. Yeah.

[Rhea]

And I. And God, I can only imagine what an LA mom group is like.

[Fran]

God, it sounds scary.

[Rhea]

I'm terrified. And I don't live in la and I'm not a mom. And I would be terrified seeing the.

[Fran]

Way that people react to moms online anyway. Scary.

[Rhea]

Exactly.

[Fran]

Not even being in a mom friend group, but the way that people are so judgy towards moms online about what they're doing, about literally everything. No mom can be doing the right thing because everybody has something to say.

[Rhea]

Everyone has opinion, everyone has their ways.

[Fran]

The right way, and something works differently for every person. And that goes for a billion things. But I feel like, especially for being the mom, they get the most criticism online. It's like, you know, you can't do anything right. So I can't even imagine, you know, being a mom and having a large friend group. And, oh, well, you know, Sally's learning this in school and she's really good at that. And oh, oh, she's not doing that yet. Oh, well, my kid's doing this. Oh, yours is. You know, like, I can see the judgment. I could only imagine how hard that is. So you never know.

[Rhea]

This has kind of like nothing to do with it, but at the same time, something to do with it.

[Fran]

I.

[Rhea]

When I was boarding my flight and you know that the cast of characters, you're getting flying out of Palm Beach, West Palm. And I'm getting on my Palm beach flight from Sunday night after the holidays.

[Fran]

And.

[Rhea]

These two moms see each other and their daughters are clearly friends and they're like, oh my God. And they start chatting and the daughters all talking, the moms are talking. I'm standing in front than waiting to get on this plane. And I thought to myself, I would never be able to handle talking to a woman. Like, this one woman was lovely, but the other one, oh, it was, I'm doing this. We did that. I bought this. We're going here. And it just. I couldn't believe. I took my headphones out. I took my headphones out. Cause this is how much I was listening to them. She's talking about her son. And you know, they've got two cars in the city, but is that too many? But now her son's driving, so we're. So we got him a car. And the other mom was like, oh, like, you bought. Well, you bought. You had to buy him a car. She's like, yeah, that was a pretty penny. Like, had to take that change. I should. Because she was like, yeah, we bought. We just bought it, you know, because they were like. The other mom was like, oh, like Lisa, whatever. She's like, no, we just bought it. Like, we just bought it. It's just like. And I was just like, it's just. It was non stop talking about this car and attitude. Well, now what. What lot are they gonna park in the city? And the sun. And I was just like, I just listening to that was gonna blow my brains out, right? I couldn't believe it. And she didn't shut up for like 30 minutes talking about all this because it was delayed getting on the. We were delayed getting on the plane.

[Fran]

And there could be a fine line between being proud of your kids and versus like, I'm now.

[Rhea]

It was the nightmare talking about everything. And my God, is it like, especially the, you know, Palm beach to New York crowds, right? But it was just like, I couldn't Believe the things this lady was listing off. And, you know, I'm just. It's just one thing after the next of, like, we did this. We're going here. What are you guys doing for your next break? We're doing this. I'm just like. I'd be like, shut up.

[Fran]

Yeah. You're like, I don't have anything else to add to this. I mean, I like, even. And it's so hard, right? Because, like, you're so proud, but at the same time, you don't want to be making somebody feel like somebody's not accomplishing something.

[Rhea]

No. You want to be proud and not be an asshole.

[Fran]

I do.

[Rhea]

With my.

[Fran]

My parents about Luca. Yeah. Cause they, you know, it's their first grandchild, so everything he does is amazing. And I agree.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yes.

[Fran]

You know what? I think he's amazing. But they. Sometimes I have to tell them. I'm like, you know, you guys sound like. You're like, you know, oh, he does this and he does that. He does what? It. And they're like, oh, Maria, you gotta get on your podcast and talk about all these things he does. And I'm like, no, I don't.

[Rhea]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

You know, of course. I'm so proud of him. And there will be moments that I talk about that I am so proud of. And I have before. I have mentioned them before, but at the same time, I'm like, everybody's kid grow, you know, grows differently. And now that my brother has a son, they're now experiencing that. Right. So now it's the second kid. So now it's like, well, you know, you don't want to compare the. You know, every kid is different, so it could be a fine line.

[Rhea]

Yeah, it can be.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

So Ashley Tisdale's out of the mom group.

[Fran]

Yeah. So maybe she's gonna ride solo. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I'm sure she's getting a ton of criticism from other moms online or other moms who agree with her.

[Rhea]

Right. I just can only imagine that she's like, maybe I should shouldn't have written it. You know, and that's. I'm not saying that's right or wrong. I'm not saying she should have not written it, but when it. When it turns into, like, well, this is who she's talking about, and it's because of this, and people start talking about your speculating on your political beliefs and everything, you're like, whoa, Right? You're like, this snowballed into something that I really did not plan for.

[Fran]

Right. You're like, I didn't expect this. Yeah. That's what, like, sucks when celebrities want to open up about something, and then sometimes they just go, well, we're better off not opening up so well. It's almost like, you know, talking about Kelsey Ballerina Chase Stokes. Right. They opened up so much that everyone. Then you're like, well, maybe we should keep this offline now.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

You know, which you get Moving on to ladies who are not going to keep it offline that we enjoy Salt Lake City. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. We are always going to see what's going on between these ladies. The reunion trailer is dropped, and it looks like Andy Cohen's had enough. He walked off some.

[Rhea]

He walked off, which I don't know if we've ever seen seen happen, where he's been like, you know what? Just leave. And I don't blame him because I don't think anybody. Any two housewives could talk circles around each other more than Angie and Lisa can. You know, like. And we've already seen them fighting at reunions before. When Andy.

[Fran]

When.

[Rhea]

When Andy's been like, please, I need you guys to shut up. Look, it's just, like, for two seconds, can't even get a word in. And this is. That's kind of what it. When you watch it, you're like, oh, they're going at each other. And he's like, guys, guys, guys, guys. And it's like, all right. Because then it feels disrespectful, because I'm sure he's like, I can't even get these ladies attention. Like, this is my job. Please respect me. And he walked right off. Mary was like, no, Andy don't know.

[Fran]

Don't go.

[Rhea]

Don't go.

[Fran]

Oh, it's almost like the teacher in school when you were younger when. When they just had enough, and they just, like, walked out of the classroom. And you're like, whoa, we went too far.

[Rhea]

Wow. That. That. Gotta sit with that for a second. That just took me down a. Down a memory. Wow. They used to do that.

[Fran]

Yeah. You're like, whoa. We went collectively as a group. We went too far, kids.

[Rhea]

And you know what? That's crazy that that worked. And, you know, also as a group of rowdy kids, it took the teacher being like, I'm outta here. For all of us to be like, oh, no. Instead of going the other way, you know, like, we all. In our.

[Fran]

We all went right. Oh, my God, we lost the teacher. She's leaving. Now what do we do? And it's Almost like your biggest wish just became your biggest nightmare. Cause now we're in big trouble. Yeah. I had a cheer coach do that once. We were so bad we couldn't get the routine. She left the gym. Yeah. Said, I'm not. I'm done. Left the gym. We were like, oh, my God, we gotta get. Get together. We gotta get this routine down stat. Leaving the gym like that. Yeah. I would be so upset to disappoint Andy like that. Where I couldn't shut my mouth enough that he had to leave the room. I feel like he's thought about it for New Jersey. Yeah, he's definitely thought about it for New Jersey, but.

[Rhea]

Well, they're the ones that storm off. That's why he doesn't have to.

[Fran]

Right. Exactly.

[Rhea]

It did get me thinking about Lisa's headspace post filming this when she canceled on us for the tour.

[Fran]

Good point.

[Rhea]

We're gonna have to really see how this went for her. Because it probably wasn't. It seems like maybe not the best that they were. That Andy had to get up and leave. And in the clip and the trailer, Bronwyn also does say she and Todd are separated.

[Fran]

And we're happy about that. Yeah.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Sad for her if she's sad. But as a whole, I think it might be better for her. For sure.

[Rhea]

It did just like from when they filmed it to. From when we talked to her. Short amount of time.

[Fran]

Very short amount of time.

[Rhea]

Very short amount of time. So I feel like that was probably in the making or on its. We were on our. On our way to. That looked like Herod. I almost said Herodth. Like Heather and Meredith were going at each other. Heather was like, I'm done being your friend. That's it. It's over.

[Fran]

That always happens.

[Rhea]

I know. There's so many. So many brash statements are made. Just, you know that they put out a TLC documentary about Mary Cosby, weren't it?

[Fran]

Yes. Apparently we're third episode. Very briefly. Still yet to seen the footage. Yeah.

[Rhea]

But have been told about it. It's just us saying that she shouldn't be on the show. Which was. I haven't watched a documentary, so I don't really know anything about it. But when those first seasons. And it was very much like focused on her marriage, which was weird. And the church and her whole situation was very cultish. Which is what this documentary is about. About her. I think it's like about her church being a cult.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

And at some point we were talking about it. I mean, this was years ago that we're talking about it. And we were like, she shouldn't be on the show. That's. Whatever that clip is in the. Is in the documentary.

[Fran]

Yeah. Apparently it's an old clip. Old. Brooke messaged me about it.

[Rhea]

I said, yeah, yeah. My. My sister in law saw it. I got two texts. My sister in law, my aunt, they were. They were. They were watching it. And I think it's on hbo.

[Fran]

Max. Yeah.

[Rhea]

And it is a whole documentary about the behind the scenes of Mary's church. And it seems like maybe they spoke to some ex parishioners. And you know, it was. It always seemed a little sketchy, whatever it was, whatever was going on there. But it's interesting because I wonder if a lot of people are really watching it or talking about it because it feels like there has been a 180 on the opinion of her as a housewife. That at the beginning everyone was kind of like, this is weird. We don't like her. Then she, you know, she did the reunion. It was all like, ugh, done with her. And then she's come back and it feels like everybody has felt like she's been housewife gold. They think she's entertaining and all these things. And then this comes out. And I don't know if that has any effect or whatever. I haven't really seen that many people.

[Fran]

Talking about it, but I haven't either. I've just seen people messaging us that.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Fran]

To say they were in from years ago.

[Rhea]

Yeah, yeah. Yep. And that's it.

[Fran]

Well, this will be a very entertaining reunion. And we know that for sure. And can't wait to see Andy walk off because we know that he had to been really, really frustrated. Then last topic. The housemaid is officially getting a sequel.

[Rhea]

You haven't seen it?

[Fran]

Well, I had tickets to see it. Oh. In Maryland with my friend.

[Rhea]

And then you got sick.

[Fran]

And then I got sick. And so we couldn't go, which was a huge bummer because we were so excited and we had a plan for months to go see the movie together. So. Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. I've heard so many mixed reviews. I had one friend who saw it and she hated it and said she was laughing out loud through it because it was so, like, ridiculous. And she loved the book, all of them. And she was like, it was just so ridiculous. We were laughing out loud and it's not supposed to be funny. And then I've seen other people love it. Yeah. Sarah said it was okay. You know, sometimes when you get a.

[Rhea]

Book And I still haven't read it, but sometimes I just feel like when you. I just have a general sense of the vibe. But sometimes I feel like when you get a book like that, it doesn't translate as well movie wise as. As people think. Like, sometimes it becomes, like, laughable. People find it laughable.

[Fran]

Right. That is fair. I haven't seen it, so I can't say. Yeah, I thought that it would be a good premise for a movie.

[Rhea]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Fran]

But I've. I think, like, listen, I am so tired of the Sydney Sweeney talk because it's like, she's really not that interesting anyway, so why are we continuing to talk about.

[Rhea]

I like that.

[Fran]

It's. Yeah, that's. Yeah, I. I've heard the acting is just not. It's just not. It's hard to believe. Yeah.

[Rhea]

From her.

[Chelsea Handler]

Specifically.

[Fran]

Specifically. That Amanda is great and that. Yeah. Her is just not so great in this. But I don't know because I haven't seen it. I'm gonna go into it with an open mind to see it.

[Rhea]

Well, they're doing. They're doing a sequel.

[Fran]

They are doing a sequel. I loved the second book a lot. The second book is so much more Sydney.

[Rhea]

Right, right, right, right.

[Fran]

You know?

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

So.

[Rhea]

Right. Because that's where I see all the headlines are like, city Sweeney signs on.

[Fran]

She's not great in the first one. Then I'm not going to be so excited about the second one. But I don't know because I haven't seen it yet. And I'm gonna give her a fair shot. I'm not just gonna hate on it because it's Sydney Sweeney me. I'm gonna watch it and really see what I feel about it and go into it with an open mind. But that is some criticism that I've heard from people that I'm close with. You know, so. And I trust their opinion, but who knows? Yeah. So I'm looking forward to seeing it. I don't know what. When I will, because I. I don't have time to hit the theater soon, so I don't know. You don't? No.

[Rhea]

Got lots of plans this month.

[Fran]

I got Mikey's baptism this weekend. I got dinner with Noah and friends on Friday. The weekend after that, I got more plans. I'm kind of booked up in January now. Wow. Okay. Thank you.

[Rhea]

You might just sneak over during the week.

[Fran]

It might have to be a weeknight thing.

[Rhea]

A weeknight movie. I like a weeknight movie.

[Fran]

Yeah, it's good. Like. Like a Wednesday night. Yeah. Or Thursday night. Thursday Thursday night could work. Yeah, Thursday. Think about it. Yeah, think about it. Because I do want to see it. I don't want. I don't want to wait till it gets to streaming feeling.

[Rhea]

It's been something you've been looking forward to and talking about for months, so.

[Fran]

I'm not kidding. It was the fucking flu that took the wind out of myself.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Fran]

Because we were so excited to see it. We had bought tickets far in advance to go together and shit. Yeah, we had. And we did the same for it ends with us. Same friend we had planned, you know, we read the book and we went to go see the movie. So it's become like, sort of like a tradition. Not this time.

[Rhea]

Not the same.

[Fran]

You know, a tradition that lasted one movie. Oh, God. Are you ever gonna read the book?

[Rhea]

Yeah, I will.

[Fran]

I don't think you will, because I think that the opening was this past week.

[Rhea]

It would. I will. It would have. That would have been the time I thought about it, too, but I really wanted to finish the Crown of Midnight and then just so many people send me Broken Country. I was like, I got it. I gotta do this. But I'll. I'll read it next.

[Fran]

Yeah, I do think 1 and 2 are really good. I actually liked the second as much as I liked the first.

[Rhea]

Okay.

[Fran]

If not maybe a little bit more. I don't know.

[Rhea]

I'm on it. I'm on it.

[Fran]

Started third was out of it.

[Rhea]

Oh, there's three.

[Fran]

There's definitely three. There might be four. Can you look at the same people?

[Rhea]

Like, is the same character.

[Fran]

Different characters involved. Oh, okay. Okay. But Sidney's character stays.

[Rhea]

Stays throughout.

[Fran]

Yes.

[Rhea]

Gotcha.

[Fran]

I believe there's three. I know that I started the third and didn't.

[Noah]

Yeah, three.

[Fran]

Three. Yeah. Second one. Very good, though. So, you know, if.

[Noah]

Well, there was a short story and that, but I guess that doesn't count. There's three main novels and then there was like, a novella called the Housemaid's Wedding, which was a short story.

[Fran]

Yes, yes. Okay. That's the one. That was the. Yeah. What I was thinking of.

[Rhea]

I've actually never read any of her books, so.

[Fran]

Freedom McFadden. I have read a ton now, and my God, are they all pretty similar, but they do hook you in. Yeah, they get you.

[Rhea]

Because it's all mostly like, mystery, right?

[Fran]

Yeah, all like a little.

[Rhea]

Yeah, normally my favorite genre, but.

[Fran]

Well, if you loved Verity, then.

[Rhea]

Yeah, well, yeah.

[Fran]

Yeah, you would. I feel like. Like a lot of these other ones, I think my. From her. I really liked the boyfriend, the teacher. Never Lie was not one of my favorites. And that's one people really love. So, you know, everyone has. Which was that one Never Lie.

[Rhea]

Oh, yeah.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

That one wasn't.

[Fran]

Yeah, not one of my favorites. But people love that one. But it's. Everyone has a different favorite or whatever and they're all kind of. Yeah.

[Rhea]

Similar, but different, you know, polarizing opinions on her books. I feel like sometimes, because I got that too, and feedback from me. People were like, this is the best book. And girls were replying to me. They were like, that's. It was the worst book I ever read. I didn't finish it.

[Fran]

Oh, well, it's. Yeah, it's like not the most, you know, in depth writing you can ever find. You know, if you're going to be like a. Like a snob, a book snob, you're not going to like her writing. But if you're looking for easy, captivating reads.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Then you know, that's where you're getting. All right, that wraps up the topics and we shall get into the popcorner.

[Rhea]

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[Fran]

All right, let's get into the Popcorner where we're taking your hot takes, your voicemails, your opinions. Noah, play that first voicemail. Hi, guys, it's Katie. Hi, Katie. Hello, Katie. I don't even know what I want to say. Right, okay, this is what I called you about. Taylor, Frankie, Paul at The Bachelorette. I'm very excited about it, but I feel like I am seeing so many spoilers already, and not just from, like, Bachelorette man account. I feel like I'm seeing them from pop culture sites, too. Like, why are we saying who's coming to the finale? Who's there? You'll never guess. And then putting the answer right in the caption. I'm just so confused.

[Rhea]

I feel like we kind of already.

[Fran]

Know how our season is going to go, which is super annoying because the first time in a long time, I'm really excited for a Bachelorette season, but I'm so worried about it being spoiled. When I do a pretty good job about avoiding the spoilers, I'm still really excited for it, but if it gets spoiled for me more than it already is, I'm going to lose my mind.

[Rhea]

I love you guys.

[Fran]

Hugs to Olive. Bye. Love you, Katie. Love your energy.

[Rhea]

She. She is right. I. I have seen way more than a normal. A normal season.

[Fran]

It's like, I haven't seen a damn thing. So don't spoil.

[Rhea]

Good for you. I mean, I haven't. Like, I've avoided seeing, like, names of contestants or anything like that, but I've seen a lot of, like, the Taylor and her men are in blah, blah, blah, this weekend, and they're doing this. And they're doing this. They were filming stuff in New York, like, not that long ago. Like, there's just a lot of seeing where she is and what that means. Once anything comes up, I scroll away, like, immediately, because I also don't want to get anything spoiled. But this is definitely going to be a tough season for that because it's going to be on everything. She's already a public figure, so if she does get engaged, if that's the thing that happens, like, that may just be straight up reported on by people early and. And it's gonna be hard to dodge it.

[Fran]

For sure. I have seen none of this, and so I'm good.

[Rhea]

Well, you'll probably start seeing it now. Right now, we're talking about it out.

[Fran]

Loud near your phone, and I don't know how I've escaped it because it seems like it's so everywhere.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

But I haven't, so I can't say what. You know, I'm.

[Rhea]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

I'm upset that's happening for you guys.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Because you're right. It is the first time in a while that we're all very excited about a Bachelor at season or Bachelor season. So hopefully we can all avoid spoilers going Forward so that it does still make it really fun to watch. And I think it'll be really fun and entertaining regardless. But that is really annoying to be, to be able seeing, to be seeing those. And also for like legitimate pop culture sites to be reporting on it. For sure. For sure. We won't do that to you. We promise.

[Rhea]

No.

[Fran]

Hey girls.

[Noah]

This is Nolan from San Diego.

[Chelsea Handler]

Hi.

[Noah]

I'm just over here twiddling my thumbs until you do another Chicks out west. We missed you out here. My question is, I just read an variety article that YouTube will no longer submit their streams to Billboard charts. How do you think this is going to affect artists? Why make music videos now? There's no, there's.

[Fran]

It's going to be strictly just for.

[Noah]

The fan base and it's not going to be factored into Billboard charts. How do you think, you know, artists are going to handle that now that, I mean, it may not matter anymore. And then down the line, what happened to the MTV Video Music Awards? Are those gonna matter if, you know, if people stop making music videos? Anyway, I just read that and I thought that was kind of crazy. Love you guys.

[Fran]

Hopefully see you out west soon.

[Noah]

Bye.

[Fran]

Ooh, love it. See you out west. That's crazy. Listen, actually call me an idiot. I didn't even know that the YouTube streams contributed to the Billboard charts. Didn't know that.

[Rhea]

I think it's an all. It used to be an all encompassing number, right?

[Noah]

Like I guess so.

[Fran]

I always thought it was just like listening streaming radio. I didn't even think of. Of YouTube. I don't know why I feel like an idiot for not realizing that.

[Noah]

But also YouTube, like has their own audio like separate thing too, I think, which I'm sure is a big factor too. So if they're just like saying we're not gonna. YouTube seems to be causing a lot of issues across the board.

[Fran]

Really?

[Noah]

No, I mean just like they had the whole thing with like Disney.

[Fran]

Oh, right, right, right.

[Noah]

Making a thing.

[Fran]

Yeah, I guess I kind of forgot about that too. That was the whole thing.

[Rhea]

YouTube sent a blog post say that it intended to withdraw its streaming data from all of Billboard's charts effective Jan.16. The blog comes in the wake of Billboard's announcement yesterday, December 16th. This is from a couple weeks ago of a change to chart methodology that will continue to weigh subscription streams more favorable than ad supported streams in a bid to better reflect changing consumer behaviors and the increased revenue derived from streaming in the industry. The change means that paid subscription streams will be weighted against ad supported streams. At a 1 to 2.5 ratio, narrow from the previous 1 to 3.

[Chelsea Handler]

So.

[Rhea]

So this was like YouTube's retaliation. It's like, we're gonna. Billboards was like, we're gonna make the paid subscription ones mean more.

[Noah]

I'm so. My head. I don't know.

[Fran]

Me too. I don't. I just, like, zoned out. Trying to think about all. I don't know if you saw. I was like, well, I'm.

[Rhea]

I'm just thinking, like, YouTube, you know, you go to playing song on YouTube and an ad put, like, you know, ads play and whatever. It's like. So they're saying that that stream is weighed less than a stream on a. On Spotify because that's a paid subscription.

[Noah]

But aren't there versions of Spotify where you'd have ads, too? Like.

[Fran]

Yeah, I thought.

[Rhea]

And is there a version of YouTube where you don't have ads?

[Fran]

Ads.

[Noah]

Yeah. You could pay for premium.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Noah]

Or whatever.

[Fran]

That's true. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I guess I had never even thought about it the other way. So now that you're saying it this way, I'm like, that is crazy. Yeah. You know, to just take it away.

[Noah]

Charts are just like, who knows what's real anymore?

[Rhea]

I know. YouTube's inclusion as part of the Billboard chart charts dates to 2013, when Billboard's song charts, including the Hot 100, began incorporating YouTube streaming data.

[Fran]

Right. And now with like, sorry, go ahead.

[Noah]

No, I was gonna say we didn't even talk about that whole Drake lawsuit.

[Fran]

Oh, yeah.

[Noah]

About.

[Fran]

I forgot about that.

[Noah]

Like, yeah, that's kind of crazy.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

So the global head of music wrote that for YouTube, wrote that the formula quote doesn't reflect how fans engage with music today and ignores the massive engagement from fans who don't have a subscription. So, yeah, so it's YouTube. Like, Billboard changed this, and then YouTube said, well, now you're not counting our streams.

[Noah]

Interesting. I don't think people would stop making music videos because of this. Like, I don't think that that's the main driving, like, thing for making a music video. Like, I. I think music video is probably already down.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

It's also. You think about it, if it. If they haven't really been taking this into consideration. Like, if something started happening around 2013. Music videos have been around for 10 times longer than that.

[Noah]

You know, I feel like they usually put out, like, the song without the music video, just, like, the official song on YouTube anyway. So, like.

[Fran]

Yeah, I. I agree with that. I don't think that this will have an impact on music videos. I think that artists are. If you're an artist who makes music videos, you're going to continue to continue to do it. And then if not, then you just don't even play into that game.

[Noah]

I always love a music video VMAs.

[Fran]

I feel like, well, now MTV is gone. Like MTV, not like the MTV music video channels are no longer. Which is sad because that was an iconic time. Yeah. But now, like, just the way that everything is changing. Yep. You know, and if you're gonna include. If you're going talking about the Billboard charts and you're gonna include YouTube streams now with TikTok becoming so prominent with music, then do you have to include those, you know, into there? Like, if. If someone puts up a song on there?

[Noah]

Yeah, that feels impossible to track, for sure.

[Fran]

It definitely feels impossible to track. But now it's become so prominent in the music world.

[Rhea]

So, yeah, it is really crazy. My mom and my sister and myself got into, like, argument over Christmas talking about, like, copyright law and all this with music. Because my, you know, mom's like, why wouldn't Taylor Swift want you to use your music? Like, telling everything that they had to deal with and stuff. And we're like, well, they're the ads and then this, and it's so good. But it is crazy because is, my mom was coming from a place of like, I, you know, I run a small business and when I want to post on social media, I can't use that music. But if I'm any prominent influencer, I can post whatever music I want.

[Noah]

Yeah, that's the. It makes no sense.

[Rhea]

And she's like, so, like, you know, I'm. Yes. Am I actively trying to sell something? Yeah, like, I'm, I'm. I'm. My Instagram is my business page and I am trying to sell things, but it's like, well, so is that influencer. When they're trying to. I'm like. But then, you know, I'm like, well, mom, the influencer. I'm trying to sell everything.

[Noah]

Every single video influencer can do it. If it's like a paid ad.

[Rhea]

Yeah. No, they can't. But it's. But you can still. Like, she was saying it's so hard for her to try and, like, build up a following or to, like, get a video to do really well. Because she can't use popular music or any trending song because anything she uses, she can't use it.

[Fran]

Right.

[Rhea]

And I was like, it does make a lot of sense. But then it's like, it's so crazy within the music industry, too, because it's like, well, these artists or, you know, the. The labels push TikTok so hard. They want these songs to go viral on TikTok. They want the artists pushing the songs on TikTok. But then there's so many rules for then what the song can be used for. And it's like, well, an influencer just posting. Like, say I come out with a shoe and I make a viral video. Like, I make a TikTok with a Taylor Swift song, and I'm dancing and the shoe's just in the background. I say nothing about the shoe, but the shoe's just there. You can do that. Like, it's like, that's not gonna get you. I mean, I guess down the. It could potentially get you in trouble, but it's like, that's where it gets to be so crazy.

[Noah]

I remember the first time that I was, like, baffled was when we did the Jonas Brothers Coors Light tour.

[Rhea]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Noah]

And we were doing this whole video with them, and it was like, coinciding with their album and everything. And I'm like, oh, obviously, like, we'll use their music. And it's not even like them saying no. It's like the. Like, it just has to be passed.

[Rhea]

No, it's just every Brandon account. It's the same shit I was trying to explain to my mom. I was like, mom. We literally just had Demi Lovato on our show, and we had weeks of discussions and back and forth between legal teams of being able to post a video on Chicks in the Office using her song.

[Fran]

And it's not Demi Lovato. It's not up to Demi Lovato, which.

[Noah]

The whole thing was, like, promoting her. And they were actually very cool about it.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Noah]

Usually I feel like it's way harder, but still. For sure.

[Rhea]

But it's.

[Noah]

It's hard her promoting her song, and it's still, like, that hard to even, like, be allowed to use. Yeah.

[Rhea]

Be able to use it on a.

[Fran]

On a.

[Rhea]

Like a podcast account or something.

[Chelsea Handler]

That's where.

[Fran]

Where there's so many.

[Rhea]

We've had so many issues as a.

[Fran]

Company with music, so many hoops you have to jump through, so many commercial licensing and all that, but, yeah, it's crazy. Yeah.

[Rhea]

Anyways, we could do it otherwise.

[Fran]

Yeah, let's.

[Noah]

Let's do it.

[Fran]

Other. Hi, Rhea, Fran, Noah, and Olive, if you're there. My hot take is with the award show season starting and the critics award happening this past weekend, I feel like people should only be allowed to win one category for their role ever per show. Like, if you win best actor for a show.

[Chelsea Handler]

Interesting.

[Rhea]

For the ending, you're out.

[Fran]

Shouldn't be allowed to win that award over and over and over again. Like Jeremy Allen White for the Bear. I feel like once you've won it for one role, you've established you're good at that role and it needs to be moved on. Love to hear your thoughts.

[Rhea]

Interesting, interesting, interesting. I get what you're saying, because it is like, okay, you're playing the same character, and, yes, you're so good at playing that character, and you win year after year, but at the same time, if you still are fucking crushing it as that character, why shouldn't you win?

[Fran]

And different. I disagree. Different storylines, your character can go through so many different things.

[Rhea]

So much can change in a season.

[Fran]

I had never thought about that, and I like where your head's at. Yeah, I do like that. I like the thought and the opinion, but I disagree with it. Right.

[Noah]

I feel like then that would discourage, like, many seasons. I guess that's not the real.

[Fran]

No, it's not the reason.

[Rhea]

But that's a good point, though. No, it's like, why if an actor who is striving.

[Fran]

I gotta try hard.

[Rhea]

Well, if an actor. Yeah. Or like an actor's trying to, you know, they win that award and then they're on a show that keeps getting renewed, it's like, well, they're like, I'm gonna fucking quit.

[Fran]

Right. I'm. I'm. I'm sort of thinking.

[Rhea]

I don't think that is the mindset.

[Fran]

And maybe this is a bad comparison, but I'm sort of thinking of it as like a. A bonus at work in your job. Right. Like your title. Yeah. And you got a bonus that year. And it's like, all right, well, you were rewarded for doing that job. Yeah. Yeah. And then you do that same job again next year. No modus for you. You know, like, that's like. I'm thinking of it like that. Like, you know, we don't like, not rewarding for somebody for doing the same thing.

[Noah]

Yeah, you know, I. I get. I feel like what she. It's really about, like, trying to spread the.

[Fran]

Spread the love. Yeah, it's really.

[Rhea]

It's more. Just like, let's have more. Taylor Swift would be, like, extremely, well, deserving. People win awards who. You know, and there's so many new shows out every year and people that are so deserving. So I. Yeah, I get that. But it's also like, I don't know, nobody wins that much.

[Fran]

And it's also, I feel like Modern.

[Noah]

Family won like for like 20 straight years.

[Fran]

Schitt's Creek also won like, for a large amount of time. And the Bear. Yeah, so that was a good part. But it's like almost like participation awards. Like, I'm not down with that. Like, if this person deserves to win that award, right. Then they deserve to win it every year, you know?

[Rhea]

And also if you're the person that wins the next year, is it like, well, did I win because I'm that good or did I win because Jeremy Allen White's out of the category now?

[Fran]

Like, please. Wiped out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't agree.

[Noah]

He could have put on like the best episode performance of all time. Thank God he already won.

[Fran]

Right? Yeah, I see where your head's at.

[Rhea]

Yeah. No, I do get it. That.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

And it would make the award shows more just from an entertainment standpoint point, more entertaining because it's like you. You see every year, new people winning, new speeches. New would be like star power.

[Noah]

Possibly.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

But it's also like the Dodgers, right? They won the World Series two years in a like or how many years in a row? Yeah, well, they won last year. They can't win again this year. Like, then what do you root for for your teams? You know, it's true. You know, you could have the same lineup.

[Noah]

You could have a bad season two and then a great season three.

[Fran]

Right? Yeah. Because shows have different. Sometimes you hate season two, but season three comes back. You love, love it.

[Rhea]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

All right, let's do one more.

[Rhea]

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[Fran]

Chicks in the office. This is Kayla from Denver. Hello. I just watched Hamnet for the first time just came out in theaters. As we know, Taylor Swift is a big Shakespeare girl. I am also a Shakespeare girl. So as you can imagine, when I saw Joe Alwyn on my screen at the AMC by my house, I said, oh, no. Because I'm thinking Taylor Swift is for sure watching Hamnet. The fate of Ophelia. We just saw this through our whole album. There's Shakespearean, you know, commentary. Taylor is a Shakespeare girl. Do we think that she is seeing Hamnet with knowing that Joe Alwyn is also in the movie? Or do you just go to the movie, you watch the film, and then you have to deal with seeing your. Your ex boyfriend throughout the entire movie? Do we think actors and actresses are watching their, like, ex fiance's lovers, husband and wives? Okay, tell me.

[Chelsea Handler]

Tell me what you think.

[Fran]

Great question. This is a really good question because they were together for so long. I'm gonna go with. She's not watching this one. It wasn't like a little fling.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Where she could watch and be like, oh, laugh. Like, I hooked up with him. That's funny. You know, that's fine. This was, like a serious relationship, but.

[Noah]

It is, like, such a contender and, like, everyone's talking about it that I.

[Rhea]

Feel like, yeah, but if I'm. Do I, like, really care about missing out on Hamnet, like, I'd be like, good for them. You know? Like, it's like, if I miss out on seeing this movie, I'll live.

[Fran]

You know, Kayla did bring up a good point that she is this big Shakespeare girl, so she might really want. But you're right. You'll live. Live. There are plenty of critically acclaimed movies out there that I haven't seen that I'm. I'm living. You know, I know. You know, life goes on. So she might just be like, I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna avoid this one.

[Rhea]

And. And I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. Or I. I just find that sometimes some people that are that at that level of fame or. Or could potentially be that busy around this time of year. Maybe this is when she does start to watch the movies that are up for award buzz. But at the same time, I don't know if it's like, she's sitting at home, like, me being like, I really hope I get through all the best picture knobs before the awards come out. Like, I don't know if that's a worry.

[Noah]

She gets Travis watching it.

[Rhea]

The only thing that I'm sure they're watching them. I'M sure they're seeing these.

[Fran]

I'm just holding on to the fact that it's like a Shakespeare thing. Like, without being so into that, that. That I could see her, you know.

[Rhea]

And it is starring, you know, her very good friend, Gracie Abrams boyfriend. So, you know, know, could want to support Paul in that sense. At the same time, I don't know. I'm also kind of like, she's probably. She's probably watched a lot of her exes and stuff, and it could just be another true ex.

[Fran]

But this is like the X. Yeah. This is like the long.

[Rhea]

Yeah. No, I do agree with you on that, that this is probably the one that. That I would avoid as well. Maybe like a TV show that he's in. I wouldn't watch, but maybe he could get through a movie. I don't know.

[Fran]

Does he have that big of a part? I didn't see him at the Critics Awards.

[Rhea]

Yes and no. I haven't seen it all. I. Kelly said he was pretty irrelevant in it. Kelly Keeks.

[Fran]

So maybe throw it on and you're just like, oh, there he is. And then, you know, you move past. Yeah, yeah, but I'm going to lean towards.

[Rhea]

No, Yeah, I. I would as well. I would also just feel like this is one that you're like.

[Noah]

Nah, I didn't realize that. Like, he's playing William Shakespeare.

[Fran]

Paul.

[Noah]

Yeah, Like, I thought this was like a Shakespeare thing. I didn't realize that. Like, they're playing.

[Rhea]

No.

[Noah]

Him.

[Fran]

Yes.

[Noah]

Wow.

[Rhea]

It's. It's him and his wife.

[Noah]

That actually makes me more want to see it.

[Rhea]

They lose.

[Noah]

I thought it was just like a Shakespeare play.

[Fran]

Listen, I'm looking at you going, making a face. Meanwhile, same. I didn't.

[Noah]

Paul Mescal is William Shakespeare.

[Fran]

That's news to me as well.

[Rhea]

No, he is playing William Shakespeare because Shakespeare wrote. Wrote like, there's some loose. I don't. I. I could be this up. But like, he wrote Hamlet after losing his son Hamnet in real life. Like, his son Hamnet died.

[Noah]

Spoiler alert.

[Rhea]

Well, it's not. It's really not a spoiler.

[Noah]

And this guy, Noah Jupe. I don't know if that's. He pronounced his last name. He plays Hamnet. He's. He's from a quiet place. I recognize him.

[Rhea]

He does. His brother plays Hamnet.

[Noah]

What do you mean?

[Rhea]

I think there's two guys in it.

[Noah]

Oh, Hamlet.

[Rhea]

Yeah. The kid's name is. Is.

[Noah]

This is confusing.

[Rhea]

Jackabee.

[Noah]

Oh, wow. So two brothers are playing Hamlet and Hamnet.

[Fran]

Yep.

[Rhea]

Yeah, they're real life brothers.

[Fran]

I will say I'm not well versed in Shakespeare and so I also didn't know much about this movie and I have to be honest, wasn't super interested in seeing it. Although now that I'm hearing that Paul Mess Call is playing William Shakespeare, him himself.

[Noah]

Yeah, just another Shakespeare play. Like I don't need to see.

[Fran]

I feel starstruck. You know what I mean?

[Noah]

That's like a big role.

[Fran]

That's a huge reason playing Shakespeare. I feel star struck and I feel more inclined to see the movie.

[Rhea]

Yeah, yeah. Like if you were just to google the movie, like the overview is William Shakespeare and his wife Agnes celebrate the birth of their son Hamnet. However, when tragedy strikes and he dies at a young age, inspires Shakespeare to write his timeless masterpiece, Hamlet, actually.

[Fran]

Yeah, that's right.

[Noah]

I never seen William Shakespeare write.

[Fran]

I only ever saw. I only ever saw like pictures of what the COVID of the movie poster looks like and people talking about it. But I have never read the synopsis of the film and now I'm a little bit more inclined to watch. Yeah, yeah. So maybe he's playing old William.

[Rhea]

William himself. Good old Bill Shakespeare himself.

[Noah]

I don't even think I could have told you what Shakespeare's wife's name was until right now.

[Fran]

What is it?

[Noah]

Agnes.

[Fran]

Agnes. Yep. Agnes is a lost name. Yeah, it is.

[Noah]

I don't think it's necessarily like a pretty name.

[Rhea]

No, you struggle through that one. You weren't sure why you were going to say it.

[Noah]

In my head.

[Fran]

Yeah, you're nervous to say it.

[Rhea]

Sorry to all. Sorry to all the Agneses out there.

[Noah]

And I had hear that, like, you know, know Agnes.

[Rhea]

It makes me think of I had an Aunt Agnes.

[Noah]

That sounds like an aunt, right? Or like a grandma.

[Fran]

Yeah, she was like, she was a great.

[Rhea]

There's probably not a lot of. There's not many being new Agneses.

[Fran]

Is that right? There's no, there's not a lot of new Agnes is being born.

[Noah]

Imagine like, hey, meet our baby Agnes.

[Fran]

Yeah. But sometimes old names come back around. Like, right. Like I think the name Sadie now is, is super cute. But like we called mine my great grandma, Nanny Sadie. Right. So like she think of like Nanny Sadie as an old lady, but then you might be like, oh, Sadie. Or like, my grandma's name is Betty and now Betty is becoming more popular. Yes, Betty, but it's cute.

[Noah]

Sadie sounds young to me, but I don't know why.

[Rhea]

Yeah, yeah, Agnes is definitely. Is one you don't hear as it's an acquired taste. Just one you don't hear as often. It's each their own.

[Fran]

Bill and Agnes. Yeah.

[Noah]

Did she call him Bill? Well, we'll find out.

[Fran]

We'll have to watch Hamnet. Bill. Bill.

[Rhea]

I believe a lot.

[Fran]

What do you want to eat?

[Rhea]

I believe a lot is fairly fictionalized cuz they don't really have that much actual history of what happened.

[Fran]

Sometimes you forget Shakespeare's a real person. If you had to guess what, you know what I mean?

[Rhea]

Like true.

[Fran]

It's not Macbeth. Right. You know?

[Rhea]

No, because he wrote it.

[Fran]

Exactly. But you get what I'm saying? Like when you think of the characters.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Beowulf.

[Rhea]

Yeah. Yeah. You're just like.

[Fran]

He's.

[Rhea]

He's just part of the.

[Fran]

He's part of the group.

[Noah]

What year do you think Shakespeare died? If he had to guess?

[Rhea]

That's such a great question.

[Noah]

I don't think I could have told you.

[Rhea]

I think Shakespeare died.

[Fran]

I don't even know what year he was alive. The 1800s. Right. So no, I don't know, I'm like.

[Rhea]

In between like so long ago. Or that he died in like 1810. That's gonna be my guess.

[Fran]

I feel like I'm being exposed right now. I don't know, I feel. No, no, I could also be saying it to you. I feel naked.

[Rhea]

I could also guess 1612.

[Fran]

I feel like I'm standing amongst a crowd bare, not knowing a single thing about Shakespeare. I'm gonna guess Shakespeare died in fuck. 18. I don't know, just tell was I'm like 16.

[Noah]

16.

[Rhea]

So. Okay, okay, so what did I say?

[Noah]

You said 1612 was your second guess.

[Rhea]

So after my first guess of 1810.

[Noah]

So he was, it was born in 1964.

[Fran]

Yeah. Okay.

[Noah]

Died at 52.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Cut this out.

[Noah]

I wouldn't know anything. I could have, I would have, might have said bc Well, I thought it.

[Fran]

Was going to be like one of those Picasso things where like Picasso was a lot way later. Way later than you thought.

[Noah]

I actually had a phone.

[Fran]

Yeah. So I was thinking Shakespeare. I was like this is a trick question. Shakespeare has actually been alive way more recently than we think. Not the case.

[Rhea]

No.

[Noah]

That not many people like last as long as he does. Like in popular culture.

[Fran]

Like it's popular culture.

[Noah]

We don't know anything about it. I mean at least we don't really know much about it. Like I don't know much, but like it's still like William Shakespeare.

[Chelsea Handler]

Right?

[Noah]

Like everyone knows William Shakespeare.

[Fran]

He's a star studded name and we don't know much about him.

[Noah]

Yeah, like, that's like, who in this generation transcends time? Who right now is Justin Bieber 400 years from now?

[Rhea]

I have no clue.

[Noah]

Maybe everyone. Because of like, we have pretty, like.

[Rhea]

Good documentation of everyone these days.

[Fran]

Right? That's true.

[Noah]

Still, though, like, 500 years from now.

[Fran]

Our kids gonna be somebody who's creating art. Who will last? Like, is there a director? Beyonce, definitely.

[Noah]

Taylor Swift.

[Fran]

Taylor Swift, but like take away, like, let's say more like behind the scenes people.

[Noah]

Yeah, like Scorsese, Shakespeare.

[Fran]

He was like a behind the scenes guy.

[Noah]

Was he though?

[Fran]

He, like, wanted to be the face of things.

[Noah]

Yeah, he wanted like, all the. He. No one knows any of the actors in his plays. It's all like, Shakespeare. It's like Tyler Perry. Tyler Perry's movie, William Shakespeare's play.

[Rhea]

You know, William Shakespeare was married to maybe Tyler Perry. William Shakespeare is married to Anne Hathaway. And I guess they. She was sometimes referred to as Agnes Hathaway, which is obviously the name they went with for. For Hamnet.

[Fran]

Oh, my God. But the first painting that comes up of William Shakespeare, we'll just take you back. Take you about.

[Rhea]

Let me tell you, when you see. You know what I was also like?

[Fran]

I had.

[Rhea]

You know what I was like. Yeah. You know what I was also thinking of as Noah was asking that question, I was picturing, like, the videos I've seen of Paul Maskill as William Shakespeare. And then I was going off, like, what time period I thought that was.

[Fran]

And he looks nothing like what they.

[Rhea]

So bad because it's like you immediately look back and you're like, no, this was fucking a long time ago.

[Fran]

Isn't it insane? We don't even know his birthday.

[Noah]

Yeah, but they know the day that he died, which is interesting, I guess.

[Fran]

Because he was April 23rd.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Yeah. He was baptized on April 26th.

[Noah]

Wait, but if you click into the Wikipedia, it says he was born on April 23 too.

[Rhea]

Well, his birthday is traditionally cited as April 23, but they, you know, they don't. They don't know.

[Chelsea Handler]

They could.

[Rhea]

That could be a rough guess.

[Noah]

How did he die?

[Rhea]

It says that he likely died from a fever contracted after a drinking party with fellow writers Ben Johnson and Michael Drayton, though the exact cause remains unknown. It's a long time ago.

[Noah]

Wow.

[Rhea]

It's so crazy that, like, 16.

[Fran]

16, all we have is paintings or drawings of people. You just have no idea what they actually looked like. He could look nothing like this.

[Noah]

No, that was like that movie I recently saw, like, I don't know if you ever saw that movie Timothy Chalamet playing, like, the King. I don't know of. Where do you ever see that? It's. I think it's called the King or something. But he had, like, a fade in it. And people like. Did they have fades back then?

[Rhea]

Well, it's.

[Fran]

It's like when people now with all the. The face filler and lip filler, cheek filler, and they're playing people from the 1800s, and people are like, well, they can't have a face like this. Yeah, we can't. People were talking about it with Stranger.

[Noah]

Things were like, this is not what people dressed like in the 1980s.

[Fran]

Yeah. They're calling it iPhone face. If a face has looked like it's seen an iPhone own in a certain time period.

[Noah]

But there are still faces that, like, even in Marty Supreme, I saw a lot of people like, complimenting it on that because he casts, like, real people where you're like, they don't look like what you see in movies. They look like real people. Like a lot of the weird guys in this movie.

[Fran]

What's crazy is what you forgot. Marty supreme takes place in the 50s, but it feels like very much like an 80s movie.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Noah]

This is like all 80s music.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rhea]

All right, well, that wraps up the.

[Fran]

Our.

[Rhea]

Our. Our dumbest discussion.

[Fran]

There's other people listening who have learned a lot about Shakespeare in this segment.

[Noah]

Maybe a lot of people will go see Hamnet now.

[Fran]

Maybe. I promise.

[Rhea]

Now they're like, hamnet's about William. He's playing William Shakespeare.

[Fran]

I promise you, there's going to be the people that are like, these people are idiots. They knew nothing about Shakespeare. You guys are so dumb. And then there's going to be the people who are quiet, like little mouses, going, oh, my God.

[Noah]

So it's like a biopic.

[Fran]

You know, Shakespeare just went in a biopic.

[Rhea]

Shakespeare went in one ear and out the other in school. And the amount of Shakespeare I had to do, too, in high school was extensive.

[Noah]

I feel like we didn't.

[Rhea]

Oh, I had to do so much.

[Fran]

Well, Macbeth.

[Rhea]

It's gone.

[Fran]

Was such a large part.

[Rhea]

Yep.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

We did middle in middle school. When did I. I don't know.

[Fran]

At some point we did Midsummer's Night Dream.

[Noah]

How do you prepare for that role? It's like, you don't. You're going off nothing as Paul Met.

[Rhea]

Yeah, that's why it's fiction.

[Fran]

That's why it's fiction.

[Noah]

You're just like, Taking his name. But it's like we actually have no idea.

[Fran]

Like, yeah, Big name Bill.

[Noah]

Yeah, Bill and Anne Hathaway.

[Fran]

Billy Spear. All right, that wraps up the popcorn. I'm going to look into this more though, later. Go do my research on Shakespeare. All right, everybody, that wraps it up. Planet Fitness is a judgment free environment where you're free to get strong your way, on your time. It's the new year and everybody has new goals. And maybe you're saying to yourself, oh, classic New Year's resolution is to start off strong.

[Rhea]

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[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, I'm so happy to see the chicks in the office in person.

[Rhea]

We're so happy to see you in person too. We. You have been on the show before, but it was years ago and we were in our tiny little studio down the hall. So this is a bit of a, a bit of an upgrade. We get a big room now.

[Chelsea Handler]

I'm glad that you guys are being treated with respect here at Portnoy Studios, right? Yes. And yeah, you're on my algorithm. So, like, I see you guys all the time, so I'm so happy to see you again.

[Rhea]

Oh, good, that makes sense.

[Chelsea Handler]

I like all of your coverage of Taylor Swift, Travis Kelce, the wedding, what she's gonna wear. You know, the fears that you have about the wedding.

[Fran]

You know, sometimes we go down that rabbit hole. And I'm like, how did we end up here?

[Chelsea Handler]

I am the same way. I am a Swifty. Okay? Like, I, I did this album and this tour, like, just made me. I'm like that. I've spent hours looking at videos and pictures and gone down the same thing. And it was very unexpected, you know, Like, I was like, you do. It was a low key Swifty in the beginning.

[Fran]

I'm like, now you're.

[Rhea]

Now you're stepping up late at night, like us thinking, I hope there's enough security at the house. She decides to get married in Rhode Island.

[Fran]

What dress is she gonna wear? Is that story true about a friend of a friend had her wedding canceled and Taylor Swift paid for it? Did you see that?

[Chelsea Handler]

I don't know about that, but now we're too stuff that she'd do. I mean, if you. I mean, I love that she just gives her money away to so many different people. I mean, how can you say anything negative about a person who does that?

[Rhea]

Yep. Yeah, that is true.

[Fran]

I mean, there. There is a story going around now that she paid a bride on cough because she wanted the June 13, 2026 date at a place in Rhode Island.

[Chelsea Handler]

I can't believe she even wants to have a wedding.

[Rhea]

Like, why?

[Chelsea Handler]

Like, yeah, I wouldn't want to have a wedding. I would do that low key. Just me, my family. Not even my family, just your husband. But I wouldn't even want to get married. So forget about that.

[Rhea]

Yeah, scrap the whole idea.

[Fran]

I'm glad that Taylor Swift is broken bringing us to your algorithm though. But you have made it, right? From our TV screens to sitting here. Yes. Hosted the Critics Choice Awards Sunday night for your fourth time. Does it get easier or harder trying to roast celebrities in a room like that?

[Chelsea Handler]

It doesn't get harder. It's just I'm. I feel very competent at that skill with that skill set. So it's not harder. You know, you there. There are nerves and it's exciting because it's a big kind of. It's a big deal, but I love it. Like, that's my jam, you know, that's what I'm good at. So I like to do it.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

When you're looking out at all the stars, is there a moment of like, oh, my God, I can't believe I'm gonna say this joke, right?

[Chelsea Handler]

To interview, it's usually before when you're in rehearsals and you see all of the names of the people and where they're gonna be. And I know I'm gonna Go in on someone. I'm like, okay, fuck. Are you really gonna do this? I'm like, yeah, you're gonna do it. Yeah, you're gonna do it. And then when they're there, then it's okay. Like, then it's just, like, you know, everyone's having a good time. They know what I'm gonna do, and they're ready for it. So. And I, like, it was really fun this year because we were the first award show out of the gate, and I like to kind of set that vibe, you know, I like to set the tone.

[Rhea]

That is nice.

[Fran]

Do you sort of tell yourself, like, oh, what's the worst that can happen? They just don't laugh or they make a face and.

[Chelsea Handler]

No, I just know that I'm gonna do a good job.

[Fran]

And you do. You crush it every single time. I'm 50.

[Chelsea Handler]

I've been doing this for a long time. If I didn't know what I was doing, I would be doing something else.

[Fran]

That is true. You're doing it for a reason, and we love it. You hosting was fantastic and a highlight of the show. Right. Because sometimes, you know, the celebrities get up there, the actors, they do their speech, and it's very serious, but you add a light moment to all of it. What was your favorite actor reaction or actress reaction? Leo.

[Chelsea Handler]

Leo DiCaprio. Because I knew I was gonna go in on him. And then. And then I was like, oh, God. I thought of a. And then I thought of a couple more punchlines after.

[Fran]

But.

[Chelsea Handler]

But after the show in the morning, I woke up, I'm like, oh, I fucking should. After I said to Benicio del Toro, I need you in more movies, more television, in room 307 at the Ondaz Hotel. Then I went in on Teyana Taylor and how hot she was and that my pussy absolutely popped for her. And then I should have said, like, I told Benicio, it's room 307 at the Andaz Hotel. That would have been a great tag.

[Rhea]

Yes.

[Chelsea Handler]

But Leo had the best reaction. But I know Leo. We, you know, just socially, like. And I knew he would be cool, you know, And Jeff Bezos deserves to be shamed.

[Fran]

Yes, yes.

[Rhea]

And it's very fair. And you must see, like, such an easy joke to make when you see the headlines, like, oh, he's stuck in St. Barts, and he's accepting awards at the Palm Springs from the yacht.

[Fran]

Like, you're like, with a fake. This writes itself.

[Chelsea Handler]

It was a. Yeah, it was a climate conference that they were at. Of course. Yes.

[Rhea]

Yeah. An easy one to write.

[Chelsea Handler]

But no, you know, they all know. I know everybody. So, like, it's not weird or, like, I am. I'm friendly with all those people. So it's like, I don't get, you know, I mean, I think one year, I remember Oprah was in the crowd, and Oprah, like, I had this vibe that Oprah, when she had interviewed me many years ago, I was a little bit arrogant, and I was young and stupid, and I didn't really take the moment in the way I should have. So that one. I was really intent on turning that around. And I did, you know, I came backstage, I did a whole thing about her, and then she came back, I came backstage, and she had, like, you know, opened her arms, and she's like, come here, you. You know, And I loved that because I made good on something where I needed to, you know, flip the switch.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

Was. Was Timothy a little late to his seat when he was sick?

[Chelsea Handler]

He was sick and they were late.

[Rhea]

Okay.

[Chelsea Handler]

So there was a whole thing about that, because Leo was coming, but we didn't know if Leo was gonna make it for the monologue. They're like, leo's in the car. And I had a Timothy bit that I had the. Just did do something else. But, you know, when things go sideways on those award shows, you got to go with it. You can't be like. You can't be married to anything. Right.

[Fran]

There was a clip of Timothee Chalamet saying that he was blowing up the bathroom.

[Chelsea Handler]

He was in the bathroom a lot?

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Apparently. They said he just. He sat down. Then they're like, he's in the bathroom. I think he had the flu or something.

[Fran]

Nervous. Nervous stomach, maybe.

[Chelsea Handler]

Excuse me. Yeah, you gotta just be ready to, like, bop and weave, you know, I don't really like, you know, these monologues. I did a show for 10 years, so writing a monologue is pretty easy and fun with my writers. And they. And, you know, I don't practice it very much. I do it two or three times, and then we do it on the show. So you kind of have to be very nimble with what, you know, something doesn't work out, then move on to the next thing.

[Rhea]

Is there one that you weren't able to say that you wish you were able to get in there?

[Chelsea Handler]

No, no. I pretty much said anything I wanted to say.

[Fran]

Yeah. Yeah. Especially with the Leo thing in St. Barts. And now everybody's talking about St. Barts right now. Oh, my God. Every celebrity was there. Every millionaire billionaire And I was like, I feel like they've been doing this for forever. Right? And everyone's just finding out about it.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, they're all. They're all hanging out together. I don't know how you can be friends with somebody like that. I just really don't get it. The guy is, like, handed over democracy, so he can make, what, $200 billion more than he already has because he doesn't have enough money. I find that disgusting, and I always will. And, you know, I don't know why you would. Like, I don't know. Is he going to save everybody in the end? Like, is everyone going to get on his boat and then. And he's going to be like, not you, Chelsea. I mean, I don't want to be on your boat if the world's going to end, you know, I'll find another boat.

[Rhea]

The Bezos arc.

[Fran]

Yeah, Right.

[Chelsea Handler]

It's just a little bit tone deaf, for sure. It's not a little bit tone deaf. It's a lot tone deaf. And the people in this country are really suffering. Many people. So people like that. I find it's. It's pretty ick.

[Rhea]

Yeah, it is. It is. It is lavish, for sure.

[Fran]

You see all the videos and the.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yachts and everyone parties and the like. What are you doing?

[Fran]

That's, like, when you mentioned. Mentioned the climate, when Leonardo DiCaprio was, like, going on about the climate. Then he's on his private jet and he's on the yacht, and everyone's like.

[Chelsea Handler]

Okay, I know, I know, I know. And you know, Lauren Sanchez is a nice person. Like, I've sat down and I've talked with her. She's a nice person. But, like, this isn't nice.

[Fran]

And they could have had better carpet at their wedding.

[Chelsea Handler]

I didn't look at any of those. I'm stuck on it. Yeah, I'm not interested in any of that stuff.

[Fran]

That one's not hitting your.

[Chelsea Handler]

I'll just go on the record and say, that is not my scene. I am not in that crew. And that is not my scene.

[Fran]

And it is not hitting your algorithm.

[Rhea]

Like Taylor Swift, what are your, like, show prep days look like? How early are you rising? What's the process?

[Chelsea Handler]

I love that question. I mean, I don't know why, but I do. Well, I flew back from Whistler. I go to Whistler in the winter because I love skiing. So I spend my winters in Whistler. I have a little ski chalet, like this little cute cabin. And I. I. So I flew in from Whistler, and I like Two days before the show, the writers work on the monologues and they. And I pitch them jokes. I'm watching the movies, I'm sending them all the jokes I have and like, you know, areas that I want to hit people I want to highlight. I want to shout out the people who did really great work, you know, Rose Burns, Rhea Seehorn, you know, all the people, like, I want to make sure I'm giving love to. And then. And then I land and I basically transform from my homeless ski person who has not taken a shower in probably four to five days with roots and grossness. My nails are a rat, my skin is dry and it is like a 48 hour fucking beauty episode of them fixing me, putting in my hair, fucking tanning, getting my roots done, getting my nails done, meeting with the writers, finalizing the monologue, which is never really finalized until you were actually out there. And just like a whirlwind. I had a guy that I'm seeing came with me to see, like he dropped me off in la. He was with me and with. And he dropped me in LA and he stayed for one day and he's like, holy fuck. I'm like, yeah, this is work mode. And then that's a whole different life I have up there where I walk around in long underwear and my fucking ski socks and go to dinner like that.

[Fran]

You know, you gotta bask in all that to be able to turn it around. Yeah, right?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. I'm very into enjoying myself when I'm not working. I take it very seriously.

[Rhea]

As you should.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

We saw on Instagram the podcast post from Whistler. You're skiing, but you also joke that around the holidays your house becomes a youth hostel. It does what? Vagrants. What does that mean?

[Chelsea Handler]

I have all these kids in my life, a set of twins in my life that are my daughters. They call me father. They are my babies, Poopsie and Whoopsie. I have a lot of Poopsie whoopsies, though. Kids like me because I'm not interested. So they want to be around me because they think that's cool and I'm cool with kids. I don't just don't want them, you know what I mean? But they're at my house a lot. I had a lot of kids at my house and they just come over with their boyfriends, you know, so they can have sex with their boyfriends. I guess I don't care, you know, as long as they're in my. And you know, I like that kind of chaos. I like having a Lot of things, you know. And then I like quiet, but I do like chaos. I have six kids, so I'm used to that kind of, you know, vibe. Like, I like a lot of people in different areas of the house. The kids are in the hot tub, I'm in the kitchen. I'm smoking a drink joint outside, you know, they're smoking joints too, but we're not smoking them together. We're just pretending that neither one of us is smoking a joint, you know? And then I have some little kids in my life too, so it's really fun up there. It's like a village whistler. And I have so many friends. They all have kids and they love coming to my house. Cause I give them all this free shit, you know. I get all this free stuff sent to me.

[Fran]

All the PR stuff?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, all the PR stuff and all the ski. And I don't need any of that stuff. I mean, I need a little bit, but I don't really need it. So I give it away to all of them. So they always come over for free.

[Fran]

Ship.

[Chelsea Handler]

That's probably the primary reason.

[Rhea]

Yeah, it was like, well, when you. When you're a skier, it's like. And they. I'm sure every ski brand, I'm sure, knows that you're a skier. So it's like, here's 18 snowsuits. You're like, well, I don't really need.

[Chelsea Handler]

Shout out to K2, by the way, the best Duno boots ski boots I've ever had in my life. So, yeah, I get a lot of free stuff. So I like to give that away. And then, you know, I spoil them. I take them out to dinners. I buy them whatever they want. Like, I want kids to have a person like me and their. To show them, like, what's possible.

[Fran]

And being able to return them after. Yeah, like, the kids don't have to stay around.

[Chelsea Handler]

I'm on Sunday, so I'm like, get the fuck out of here. Give me 24 hours.

[Fran]

I've given you enough.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, come back next weekend. Yeah, but I definitely go into parenting mode. As much of a parent as I could ever be.

[Rhea]

When did you fall in love with skiing?

[Chelsea Handler]

Well, I had this boyfriend. Asshole boyfriend. Well, you know, he's a friend now, but he was an asshole when we were dated at various points during our relationship. And he took me skiing at our first date was Sundance Film Festival. He flew me out to Sundance Film Festival and he wanted to go skiing. And I was like, great. I knew how to ski. I skied growing up like I thought I knew how to ski, right? But I didn't know how to ski like, these assholes. And he was with the Kennedys. He was with Rory Kennedy and like, some other Kennedys. And I was like, they just went down a double black diamond. And I was like, you know, I couldn't. I was like, what the fuck is this? It was like an edge, like a cliff. And they all just, like, jumped to the cliff. And I'm like, yeah, I had to take my skis off. I'm like, climbing. You're not even supposed to do that. I was like, climbing up the mountain. And then another couple stopped with me, and they climbed up, too. Cause they were scared. And I went down. And first of all, I dated that guy for two years after that. So, like, talk about a red flag, okay, That I ignored. But I was like, that is never going to happen to me again. Like, I am never gonna be in a situation where I can't hang. And so I spent. As soon as I quit my E show, I went to Whistler for two months. I hired a ski guide who I also started sleeping with, and he taught me how to ski. And then the next year, I hired a girl Guide so that I didn't sleep with her, you know, so I could be more focused. And I skied 55 days in a row the first year of COVID And then I learned how to ski. Now I can ski. I can pretty much. I mean, you know, I can't, but I'll, like, jump out of a helicopter and ski down a mountain.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

So pretty capable.

[Fran]

Very capable. But none of that made you go. This, I'm never skiing again. You like? No.

[Chelsea Handler]

I'm going to conquer this. I'm going to be the best skier.

[Fran]

By the way, admirable.

[Chelsea Handler]

I skied again with that ex boyfriend long after we broke up. And guess who's a better skier now? Not him.

[Fran]

Yep.

[Rhea]

There you go. He's.

[Fran]

That's.

[Rhea]

Skiing is so tough for me. I, I, it's not for.

[Fran]

I had that experience that you mentioned, like, having to crawl down. I, I just, like, slid down the mountain. After that, I never skied again. I won't like, it is not something that I aspire. But I, I admire that you push through a new day.

[Chelsea Handler]

Thank you. I appreciate that. And it's not for everybody. Just like drugs aren't for everybody. They're for me, you know? Like, I like them, I get along well with them, but I understand people.

[Fran]

It doesn't mix well with some people.

[Chelsea Handler]

Some people don't Doesn't.

[Rhea]

Yeah, Well, I love cold weather trips, though. Like, I want to go do every other part of the skiing, but the skiing.

[Chelsea Handler]

I went to Antarctica recently. I just came back from Antarctica. Talk about cold weather. I went down there to get some more ice for Europe because they don't put any fucking ice in their drinks. And I was like, listen, you guys, guys, I am circling back, but Antarctica, talk about it wasn't even that cold. I couldn't believe it. It was like it was their summer, so. But yeah, I went there for 10 days. That was pretty cool.

[Fran]

Do you prefer a cold weather trip?

[Chelsea Handler]

I do really like that. I just like the potential of skiing. Everything for me is about skiing.

[Rhea]

What do you do in Antarctica?

[Chelsea Handler]

Well, we did a lot of drugs. It was a psychedelic conference, actually. So there were some people who were researching psychedelics and the rest of us were doing. I was part of the latter.

[Rhea]

People need to do what kind people.

[Chelsea Handler]

Need to do these experiments. Mdma. A lot of mdma, A lot of lsd, I think.

[Rhea]

No.

[Chelsea Handler]

Did we do LSD on that trip? No, no, there wasn't. People did it. There was. Anything you wanted was on that boat. Donald Trump is blowing up these Venezuelan boats. The boat I was on to Antarctica had more drugs than any fucking boat in Venezuela, okay. That are filled with fucking fishermen. Okay? There were drugs. That boat was crazy. Because people do ketamine now. Like, that's a big thing and that's an ick to me. Yeah, I don't like ketamine.

[Fran]

When people like put themselves. What do they call putting themselves in it?

[Chelsea Handler]

That's an icky job.

[Rhea]

That's what's been so funny about. And then everyone laughs with like the. The Mormon wives. I don't know if you've watched any of the secret lives of Mormon wives.

[Fran]

That's.

[Rhea]

But they are like young girls. They all have like three, four kids and gross. And they don't drink. Cause they're all Mormon. But they're like, but we did ketamine. And I'm like, well.

[Chelsea Handler]

And you're asshole. That's sad. We did ketamine once.

[Fran]

What have you done? Ayahuasca?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, I did it. I did a documentary for Netflix called Chelsea Does Drugs. And I did ayahuasca on that. Yeah, you can watch that on Netflix. I've done ayahuasca. I'm not in a place in my life where I want to be doing journeys like that. I did it because it was on camera. And I'll do anything on camera for like, you know, to make it interesting and dynamic and to telegraph for people who are curious about it. I like that that was an intense experience, and I loved it, but I don't feel like I want to do that, you know?

[Fran]

Like, do you feel like you got anything from it in a way that.

[Chelsea Handler]

Other people did change my relationship with my sister. The whole message was like, this voice. Like, I don't know who it is. Like, you know, this voice is talking to me, this woman's voice, just telling me that I had to be nicer to my sister, that I had to be more gentle with my sister, that my sister is that I'm not right and that she's not right and that I'm not wrong and she's not wrong. We're just different. Because I used to have, like, no patience for my sister. I wanted her to be a little bit more driven or ambitious or. I don't know what my problem was. More like me, I guess.

[Fran]

Yeah, right.

[Chelsea Handler]

And then it was a very enlightening experience, learning that I had to let her be who she is. And I also am not right because I want certain things that doesn't make me, like, I'm not the right one. And. And it was. Excuse me. It was like. It was like this ipod shuffle of memories of our childhood, and it was all these memories of my sister and I running along the beach in Martha's Vineyard where we grew up in the summertimes, and holding hands, and we were wearing the same bathing suits that we really had when we were kids, and we had the same dog that I had forgotten about. And it was all these memories that were, like, repressed in my head or suppressed and that I didn't remember that just came out. And it was just a voice going, this is the person you've held hands with most in your. Don't forget that. And so when I came out of that, I was much nicer to my sister, although I did not tell her about the experience until the show landed on Netflix, because I, of course, wasn't about to admit I was wrong. And she was like, oh, my God, I saw your documentary. I can't. But you have been so different since then. And I had no idea it was about that. And I was like, yeah, there you go.

[Fran]

That is super interesting. So it does do the thing that people claim does.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yes. I mean, yeah, I was very much in control of that entire episode. Like, even though you're on a drug and it takes over, I never felt like I could. I felt like I could step out of it any Moment I wanted to, and in fact did. At a certain point, I was like, okay, I'm good. I want to go downstairs and tell everybody what happened. You know, my crew was there, and we were all in Peru, so it was fun. Wanted to have a drink. You're not supposed to drink. But I always ignore those things. I'm not really great at following directions, especially if a man is giving them to me.

[Fran]

You know, just block it out. Have your own experience. Yeah, exactly.

[Chelsea Handler]

I know what's best for me.

[Fran]

Right. That leads us to the High and Mighty Tour.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, yes. Yes. I'm going to.

[Rhea]

Tickets are on sale now.

[Chelsea Handler]

I start next month. February. I start my High and Mighty Tour, where I will be delivering a lot of stories, a lot of travel adventures, a lot of my drug adventures and my travel. I like to take drugs around the world and give them to people. You know, I feel like I'm a healing people. And when I. And I like. I love microdosing stuff like LSD and psilocybin and mdma, all that stuff. And I like to share it with people. So I have some pretty ridiculous stories about that. I talk a lot about breaking up with my family for the holidays. I had one Christmas alone without them, and it was the happiest I'd ever been. And then I was like, this is the new me. No more Christmases. I'm doing this alone. It's so much more peaceful. So, yeah, talking about breaking up with family members, cutting family members, editing people from your life. Yeah, it covers a lot. But it's all about travel, adventure, and just spreading joy and sunshine because we need it.

[Fran]

And those stories, you know, the drug stories, Family. Family stories can be extremely relatable, especially around the holidays. Like, everybody has that, oh, man, I want to cut this person out of my life, but I can't do it. I can't do it. It's family. And then on top of that, all the drug stories, we need that silliness.

[Chelsea Handler]

We also need to know that you can cut people out of your family. Who gives a shit? You don't have to say it's forever, but if you need a break. I need a break from my family. Certain family members, they all know about it. I've been talking about it publicly for a couple of months now.

[Fran]

You're going on tour about it.

[Chelsea Handler]

I'm going on tour about it. They know it. I need a break. It's not permanent, I don't think. But we'll see, right?

[Fran]

We'll see. All of that is extremely relatable. And you're right, though. Like, people right now, we need something to laugh at. We need something to relate to, you know, I love that you love talking about all your drug stories so much, because there's some people who are like, you know, oh, they do it in private and they don't want people to know about it. But you're openly telling everybody, what's your favorite drug?

[Chelsea Handler]

I like MDMA a lot. I mean, there's really nothing not to like about that. Have you girls ever done mdma?

[Fran]

Yeah. You're just happy and love it.

[Chelsea Handler]

It's easy to make out and care someone when you're on mdma, especially if you're into someone. It's fun and it's just a fun. It's just a great vibe.

[Rhea]

Yeah, I had a bit of a. Of a, like, rave girl phase when, like, that was. And the beginning of my college years when it was just like everybody just wanted to go see Avicii or Calvin Harris or. And then. And go crazy. And that was my. I had a good. I had a good run there and then. Yeah.

[Fran]

And then was done with it. Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Well, now you. It's a microdose, like, now. And in Canada, all this stuff is legal for doctors and stuff. So I have a lot of doctor friends up there because obviously that's how I have to get my drugs. And they like, they really micro. And they get the clean stuff. Like, they get real good stuff. So I don't fuck around with any. Like, I'm not taking some drug that somebody hands me a glass of.

[Rhea]

You know what I mean?

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

I'm handing out drugs.

[Fran]

You could trust me.

[Rhea]

I have the good stuff.

[Fran]

The first time I ever did anything was with Fran because I didn't really go to college. I had had like one, you know.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

I didn't go to college either.

[Fran]

Started working here at 19. So, like, a lot of those experiences were kind of here. Yeah. And I was like, ah, this is so fun. But sort of the same boat where I was like, okay, I did that. I'm good. Exactly. But I would trust yours.

[Chelsea Handler]

Thank you. Appreciate that.

[Fran]

You know, we're not. I don't know if we're around anybody that I would like, you know, be trusting where anything is coming from, but if you gave it to me, I would trust.

[Chelsea Handler]

Thank you. That means a lot to me.

[Fran]

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[Rhea]

Okay Tor, but you're also. The podcast is going to be on Netflix.

[Chelsea Handler]

My podcast will be on Netflix. Just abundance, guys. Abundance, abundance, abundance.

[Rhea]

What's your, what's your favorite thing about.

[Chelsea Handler]

Doing Dear Chelsea, I like talking to real people and having real people call in and helping them. Like, I'm a big sister. I want people to like do their best work. You know, I want to make people like have confidence in their ability to make a decision or get out of a bad relationship, get out of a bad, bad job. Take a leap of faith. And so a lot of people, you know, I used to give advice to everyone unsolicited. And so it's nice to actually get the question and give the advice, but also it's also nice to get advice from somebody who has nothing to do with your problems. You know, it's objective. So I like that. I didn't want to just do something where I'm interviewing celebrities. I do that too because I have celebrities on, but then they have to give advice to the callers too. So that's kind of fun.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

I had a good time with Amanda Seyfried recently when she was giving advice. She was, was like, people come on there and they're like, wow, this is really like meaningful. And I'm like, it was supposed to be funny, but sometimes it gets pretty serious.

[Fran]

Have you had a lot of follow up from people who took your advice and come to you with stories?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, and we go on, we read those. My producer reads those out loud a lot on the episodes. But yeah, a lot of times, most often, I mean, we've had some serious shit. Like there was a guy that was transitioning, you know, and when it wasn't cut out to his parents and was like smoking all this pot. Well, I mean this was one of my very first episodes and I said, I'll take a 30 day break with pot with you, like in solidarity so you can clear your head and figure out what your next plan is. And we did it together. I mean, I'm like, why the fuck do I have to do it? But you know, I said I would. So I did. I think I made it, like, 29 days. And then he came out to his parents, and then he stopped smoking pot altogether. He moved out of his apartment. He's like, these guys are all just popping potheads. I'm in the wrong vibe. He's like, this is the best advice. If you didn't do that with me, I would have never. Not smoked pot for a month. I would have never thought about that. I would have never gotten clarity. So, like, things like that, which, you know, I always. I mean, that makes me feel like a good person.

[Fran]

Yeah. That's amazing. That's so cool that you did it with that.

[Chelsea Handler]

I know. You're like, don't offer that up again.

[Fran]

You're like, well, I can't do that. The next person wants you to, like, smoke every day, 24 7.

[Rhea]

That's what gets you. Like, if you're calling into somebody you really look up to, and they're like, I'll do this with you. You're like, well, I have to do it now. Like, he's probably like, I need. I have to do it if Chelsea's doing it.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Yeah. So that is really cool, though, that. That you did that.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Thank you. Like you said, it makes you feel like a good person. You actually help somebody.

[Chelsea Handler]

I feel like a good person.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Like, I like to be solid. I like to be reliable. I like to be consistent, you know?

[Rhea]

You know, one of the. One of the things and I'm bringing kind of bring you back to, like, the whole family stuff, but one of the things that's been so, like, such a hot topic that I've seen on TikTok over the holidays is people talking about their dynamics with, like, their own family. If they're a parent, they have their own kids, but then their parents or siblings and the pressures of, like, having to be with their big family for the holidays, but they can. And then, like, what happens when they take their own little family and break away and. And the shit that some, like, parents and siblings do to their. But it's also, like, family members.

[Chelsea Handler]

Listen, I don't have.

[Fran]

My.

[Chelsea Handler]

My parents are both dead, so we just have brothers and sisters and nieces and nephews. I take care of my entire family. I always will. I always have. I take care of the kids. I take care of everything. I did not marry your spouse. I don't wanna fucking listen to that shit on my vacation. Like, I don't wanna listen to my brother's wife talk about her love of Putin. I don't wanna do that when I'm financing a Trip. I want to be happy, and I want to be silly, and I want to take drugs on vacation, and I don't want to listen to Russian propaganda. So, like, there's a lot of families where you didn't sign up for that. Spouse. Just because your brother or sister married someone doesn't make me. I've extended my generosity towards my family for enough. Now it's about me. I'm going to enjoy myself and do vacations the way I'm going to do them, and I take the kids, you know, when I can. But, yeah, I'm just done with that. I edited that group.

[Fran]

Yeah. That is so fair. And like you said, you're so generous. Right. And that could be. Especially around the holidays when you're so generous, you don't get it, and you're like, what the fuck? I didn't get it back. And then you're like, you know what? Now I'm just gonna do it alone. Because now I get to do it the way that I want to do it.

[Chelsea Handler]

But I also don't need. I don't need it.

[Rhea]

I don't want it.

[Chelsea Handler]

I don't need gifts. I don't need any of that stuff. I have everything I need. But I like to be generous. I don't do it for the return, but I do expect a little courtesy.

[Fran]

Oh, not material return. More like vocally. Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

Be respectful and, you know, be grateful. This is outlandish where you are right now on this vacation. You know, most people don't get to go on vacations like that, so a little bit more appreciation and gratitude would be. Is my issue.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Yeah, that's so true. I also feel, like, around, like, just sometimes we're all afraid to say what we're thinking. And that's where, you know, the passive aggressiveness can come in. But when you're just. Sometimes you just bite the bullet and you say out loud what you're thinking, it can actually open up. I had that on Christmas Eve where I just, like, sat my parents down, and I was like, I. I am. You know, the negativity. I just want you guys to have a good Christ, you know, that sort of thing.

[Chelsea Handler]

Why? What was the negativity?

[Rhea]

Are they divorced?

[Fran]

No, no, no. My parents great together. It's just more like a lot of stress on them with family, whatever, and they let it get to them. And I said, I really want you guys to just, like, let's. Can we just, like, not talk about. Can we enjoy the night? Can we have a good. And we had one of the best Christmas Eves that we've had in a long time. And it. And I was like, I'm so sorry that I'm saying this all right now. But, like, please. Yeah. And then it. Like, it felt so good after to say it. Cause I was like, oh, I've been thinking this, and now I just said it. And wow, look, they're actually. Oh, we're dancing and, you know, laughing on Christmas. Oh, okay. I could say these things out loud.

[Chelsea Handler]

It's good to sometimes air. Take the tension out of a moment also.

[Fran]

Right.

[Chelsea Handler]

I like to do that. You know, I like to just call it like it is because it's easier. I hate fake. I hate any pretense. And I also hate passive aggressiveness. You know, I just find that all to be kind of, like, so lame. It's like, just say what you want to say.

[Fran]

I'm with you.

[Chelsea Handler]

To be cunt about it, you can just say something that's hard to hear in a nice way.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And sometimes that means you care the most. Yeah. If you're even willing to say it.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I told a story in my book, my last book, about Jane Fonda calling me out on bad behavior when I was, like, I don't know, 10 or 15 years ago, she called me over to her house and basically told me that I behaved badly at her party and I embarrassed her. And I was in a dark space. And I was like, you will never have to speak to me again. Thank you for taking the time to do this. Cause you could have just blown me off for the rest of my life. She didn't have to take the time to do that. It's uncomfortable. Most people don't even like conflict. I like conflict. I think it's good. It leads to the next place, and it doesn't have to be conflict. It can be a conversation. And that was really loving. And it kind of. When she did that to me, I really was like, I want to be like that woman. I want to be the person that tells people the truth, too. So it was a nice, like, learning moment for me, you know, teaching moment.

[Rhea]

Right.

[Fran]

Being able to be able to take criticism and also give it. Right. Because sometimes we end up in a place where there's people who can just, like, give, give, give criticism, but they can't take it. But being the person that could do both, it always makes us a little bit better.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rhea]

And coming from Jane Fonda, I mean, does it. You're like, I'm gonna listen.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, of course.

[Fran]

Totally. Did you end up, like, hanging out with her again after.

[Chelsea Handler]

Oh, yeah, we'. Yeah. She just sent me a beautiful email this morning. But I love Jane Fonda. She's one of my. She is. She's a close friend of mine. But I was just very honored that she cared enough to tell me. You know, she said something like, don't let yourself become a product of this environment. Make this environment a product of you. And I was like, what? And I wrote that down when I got home that night, you know, because I was sober enough to remember because I was so scared to drink after she told me about my bad behavior, I was like, I'll, I'll have some water. Excuse me. So, yeah, I like that when women tell each other the truth.

[Rhea]

Yeah, that is, that is very true. I feel like we could really go in so many other directions here, but we do, I think, sadly, have only have a few more minutes with you. But I do kind of want to go back to the award show thing for a second. Just because you have done the critics choice. It's so good. Does it make you want to do more or others? Or do you like doing critics choice?

[Chelsea Handler]

I mean, the critics choice called. Well, I mean, the Oscars is very serious. Yes, but, yes, of course I would do it if the Oscars called. I, I, I like the critics choice because it's fun and it's, it's kind of my show now. And so, I don't know. I don't think I would just go and do. It Would have to really make a lot of sense. You know, the Oscars are serious. People are fucking serious. They want to win, and when they don't win, they're pissed. I don't need to be in that vibe. I want cocktails on the tables and, you know, I guess, you know, but the critic's choice has kind of been my thing, so I kind of love it, and they know to let me do my thing. Once you establish that in a relationship, and then that relationship is copacetic.

[Fran]

Right, Exactly. And sometimes the Oscars can be so serious, somebody ends up slapping somebody, and then you gotta get involved with that.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Is Will Smith allowed back at the Oscars after that?

[Rhea]

I don't. I think he's had a. I think.

[Chelsea Handler]

He'S banned from that.

[Rhea]

It's a ban, but I don't know if it's like a lifetime ban or a set amount of time.

[Chelsea Handler]

What? That was so embarrassing.

[Fran]

Sometimes I still can't believe that happened.

[Chelsea Handler]

I know.

[Fran]

I know. Live on our screens.

[Chelsea Handler]

I know. It was so crazy.

[Fran]

10 year ban.

[Rhea]

He got a 10 year ban.

[Chelsea Handler]

It's like, what's up? Oh, 10 year ban. What's going on with you? You have to go up on. Who do you think you are to get up on stage and smack someone?

[Fran]

Someone.

[Chelsea Handler]

Unbelievable.

[Fran]

It's so insane.

[Rhea]

It was so insane. I was fake.

[Fran]

I feel like it still doesn't get talked about enough. Even though it was talked about ad nauseum.

[Rhea]

Yeah.

[Fran]

It still needs to be brought up.

[Rhea]

Well, we still keep that. We still keep thinking about it, but that is true. The Oscars are definitely one that feels a little less. A little less fun, probably a little more strict on.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Rhea]

On what they want people to see.

[Chelsea Handler]

If they said, you know, I mean, Conan's doing it for two years, so he's doing it anyway. But, yeah, I probably do it.

[Rhea]

I mean, I just personally think women are 10 times better at hosting awards than men. It's just like, it's. The evidence is there.

[Chelsea Handler]

It's just boring. You know, women are just more dynamic.

[Rhea]

You know, every time I watch them, like, you guys crush it. Or so much. So much better between you. I mean, Nikki Glazer, Tina, Amy, all these people have done. Who have hosted award shows who are so good and so funny, and then you just watch some of these guys bomb.

[Chelsea Handler]

It's gonna be fun. One year when it's all women. You know, when every single award show is hosted by a woman, that's gonna be something to look forward to.

[Fran]

And you know what's funny afterwards? People like, oh, my God, she was so good. Like, as if they're surprised when it's like, you know, like, we know this now, right? Like, we know that.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah. Receipts. Yes.

[Rhea]

Yeah, yeah. You know who's watching war shows? Women.

[Fran]

Exactly.

[Chelsea Handler]

A bunch of straight guys are sitting around.

[Rhea]

We're watching, so we're enjoying. But was there any. You had to do a lot of prep for Critics Choice. Did you have a favorite movie?

[Chelsea Handler]

One battle after another. I mean, Leo and Benicio together. Like, I want to fuck Benicio del Toro. He is so fucking funny. He's so funny.

[Rhea]

He was so funny in that movie.

[Chelsea Handler]

He was so good in everything he does. I love him. And Leo is just like, his career is incredible. Like, you just watch him and in these movies, and I just. I'm amazed at his acting. He's such a phenomenal actor. He was in an interview yesterday that I saw on Instagram, and he's like, like, how do you act stoned without being stoned? He's like, because I'm acting I'm acting. And that's like. Yeah, that's what he's doing. That's his gift, his acting.

[Fran]

Can we ask you about when you were seen out with Ralph Fiennes at.

[Chelsea Handler]

The last Critics Choice Award? I used the opportunity for these award shows in the same way in which I used my tv, which is to hit on men that I'm attracted to. So last year, it was Ralph Fiennes. We went to the Vanity Fair party together.

[Noah]

Or.

[Chelsea Handler]

No, we went to the. Some other party after the Gaio Siri party, after the Vanity Fair party together. And we had a great time. But nothing. We never. Nothing happened.

[Fran]

We talked about that.

[Chelsea Handler]

I wanted something to happen, but we weren't. We were trying to brew something, cook something up, but it didn't ever material, materialize. Travel schedules, and it just. Yeah, but I was looking to hit that.

[Rhea]

Yeah, yeah.

[Noah]

Fair.

[Rhea]

Well, yeah, we respected it.

[Fran]

And what were we saying? We were saying, like, conclave. It. It was almost making him, like, more right. Like, it was like, during that whole thing.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was real hot last year, and he was open because we did that bit in the.

[Fran]

In the.

[Chelsea Handler]

In the. We did a bit together where I was drinking milk, and so that was fun. So he had a good sense of humor about it. And I was like, okay, this could be a possibility. But it just kind of fizzled out.

[Fran]

Do you get tired of people asking about 50 Cent? I saw Justin Sylvester, who we love, on the carpet asking you if you feel proud that you've escaped 50 cent scolding. Because he seems like he's always going after somebody.

[Chelsea Handler]

He will never come after me. He will never. There's no reason. Why would I. Yeah, it was very. I mean.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

I have nothing bad to say about 50 Cent. I fucking love what he's doing with Diddy.

[Fran]

Oh, yeah.

[Chelsea Handler]

I mean, I love it. His commitment to this guy and bringing this guy down. I mean, I picked the right guy. I have good taste sometimes.

[Fran]

Have you watched Besides the ski Guy?

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, yeah, besides the ski guy.

[Fran]

Did you watch the Diddy documentary?

[Chelsea Handler]

No, I haven't watched it. I don't like that subject matter.

[Fran]

Oh, well, it's.

[Rhea]

It's.

[Fran]

Yeah, he said he did a good job.

[Chelsea Handler]

He did just say that. I've heard a lot about it, but no, I haven't watched it. I'm just so. Too disgusted to watch that.

[Fran]

You already know what happened.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, I know.

[Rhea]

When you go on tour, what's, like, your nighttime and of after a show, how do you unwind? Cause you're Doing so many shows.

[Chelsea Handler]

I'm doing like 60 cities. I jump off in D.C. at my favorite venue ever, which is the DAR Center. But I just, I go. I mean I make it into a fun party. Like I have a little crew. We travel, we go out to nice dinners, we go do my show. And we don't really like hit it hard unless we're in a city where I have a lot of VIP. Like, not VIPs, but a lot of friends that are coming. Like if we're in Chicago, then we'll go out. But if I'm just. If I have a three nights in a row, I keep it pretty tight until the last night and then I let it rip a little bit.

[Fran]

Very fair.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah, you're doing it. Be hungover, you know, on the road. It's not fun.

[Fran]

You're doing the Vegas residency. Uh huh.

[Chelsea Handler]

I have five shows left this year. Five shows in Vegas at the Cosmo. Performing inside myself girls. I'm Chelsea, performing at the Chelsea. How's Amazing.

[Fran]

How is it?

[Chelsea Handler]

That's so fun. It's so fun. We gamble. We go every. So every like every month. I go once a month. My next show is January 31st. A group of people always show up. Like it could be friends from Pennsylvania, it could be friends from London. It's always just a grando group. We always go out to a great dinner. Then we go to my show, then we go gamble. I give everybody money so that nobody has to spend money and then we gamble and then they lose my money usually. And then I win it back. And I've never left there without the money that I started with.

[Fran]

What's your your game?

[Chelsea Handler]

Blackjack.

[Fran]

Same Love blackjack. Love roulette.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yeah.

[Fran]

I typically avoid slots because, you know, sometimes. But sometimes there's actually a game slots are for.

[Chelsea Handler]

I'm. I'm not in slots. For me remind me of people in wheelchairs.

[Fran]

I'm not interested in you just clicking the button.

[Chelsea Handler]

Like it's just like you want to.

[Fran]

Think a little bit.

[Chelsea Handler]

I need a challenge and I want to add and I'm quick.

[Fran]

Amazing. Love it.

[Rhea]

Okay. Sadly, we have to wrap up. I'm getting the signal, but everybody can go. See you on tour.

[Chelsea Handler]

Yes.

[Rhea]

Which is huge and so exciting. And tickets are available online.

[Fran]

I'm sure you can.

[Chelsea Handler]

Chelsea handler.com everybody.

[Rhea]

And the podcast is going to be on Netflix so everybody can. We'll be able to watch it there. And we're so excited. Thank you so much for joining us.

[Chelsea Handler]

Thanks girls.

[Fran]

Thank you. And that wraps up today's episode of Chicks in the Office. Thank you so much for watching and listening. We love you guys so very much. We will talk to you on Friday. Yeah, Chicks in the Office. Longtime listener, first time caller. Look at the charts. Who does it the best? Two chicks getting paid in reality checks. You can find them at the gym it's not even a flex Last minute red carpet flew them out on the jet. Yeah, they're who you want to be. They're always on your screen. Two queens and they might be spilling royalty. A lot of topics that are popping here to get into.

[Noah]

I know a show that you probably.

[Fran]

Want to listen to. Who turn the heat up, turn the beat up, record the pod made a bag put their feet up the ones that leave no crumbs when they clean up who's the pod that they all want to meet up? Who turn the heat up, turn the beat up, record the pod made a bag, put their feet up the ones that leave no crumbs when they clean up who's the pod that they all.

[Rhea]

Want to meet up?

[Fran]

Sam.