Did Travis Kelce Unfollow Ryan Reynolds? JoJo Siwa Breakup Drama + ‘People’ Editor-in-Chief Interview

Summary

Podcast Summary: Chicks in the Office – Episode: Did Travis Kelce Unfollow Ryan Reynolds? JoJo Siwa Breakup Drama + ‘People’ Editor-in-Chief Interview

Release Date: April 30, 2025
Hosts: Fran and Kelly Keegs

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1. Wedding Revelations and Friendship Dynamics (02:00 – 05:00)

The episode kicks off with Fran absent due to her honeymoon, leaving Kelly Keegs to host solo. Kelly shares anecdotes from a recent wedding attended by the crew, highlighting Trent's unexpected courteous behavior. Despite Trent's notorious reputation, Kelly notes:

"He was being lovely all night. I won't lie." (02:48)

Fran joins the conversation, emphasizing the complexities of maintaining friendships amidst life changes:

"JoJo wants to be in the know. She wants to be in the group chat still." (04:46)

The hosts delve into the emotional tug-of-war between staying connected through group chats and the desire for personal space, with Kelly lamenting:

"If I knew that there were group chats... I would die inside." (05:02)

2. JoJo Siwa’s Breakup Drama on Celebrity Big Brother UK (06:00 – 35:00)

JoJo Siwa's Experience:

Fran and Kelly dissect JoJo Siwa’s tumultuous stint on Celebrity Big Brother UK, focusing on her evolving relationship with Chris Hughes. They reference JoJo’s vulnerable moments during the show, particularly her confrontation with Mickey Rourke:

"He was saying, 'we gotta get the lesbian out first,'" (21:43)

JoJo's relationship dynamics with Chris are scrutinized, especially their close, seemingly intimate interactions:

"They were inseparable... always touching." (24:03)

Breakup and Aftermath:

The hosts discuss JoJo’s abrupt breakup with her longtime partner Kath at the show’s wrap party, leading to widespread speculation and emotional turmoil. Charlotte Triggs, People’s Editor-in-Chief, is later interviewed to provide insights into celebrity relationships and their portrayal in media.

3. BJ Novak Dating Delaney Rowe (35:00 – 40:00)

Fran and Kelly explore BJ Novak’s rumored relationship with TikTok actress Delaney Rowe. They highlight Delaney’s prowess in creating engaging ad-skits and commend her creative talents:

"She's the best... advertiser I've seen." (39:35)

The discussion touches on Novak’s transition from The Office to his current projects, expressing surprise at his personal life developments:

"I am just surprised to see this." (40:06)

4. Joe Jonas’s New Song and Sophie Turner Breakup Speculations (40:00 – 43:00)

The hosts analyze Joe Jonas’s latest song, speculating it addresses his breakup with Sophie Turner. They interpret the song’s lyrics as being deeply personal and possibly premeditated:

"It has to be about her. And the door is open." (61:19)

Fran and Kelly debate the authenticity of social media interactions, questioning whether unfollowing and untagging on Instagram signifies the end of a relationship:

"Travis unfollowed Ryan Reynolds... it sparks a media storm." (65:48)

5. Awkward Bill Belichick Interview with Girlfriend Jordan (43:00 – 78:00)

Interview Breakdown:

A controversial interview featuring NFL coach Bill Belichick and his girlfriend Jordan is dissected. The hosts describe the interview as one of the most uncomfortable they've witnessed:

"He sit in his chair... Very awkward." (75:52)

Speculations and Concerns:

Fran and Kelly speculate about the nature of Bill and Jordan's relationship, discussing possible power dynamics and the girlfriend's influence:

"She's carving out a space for herself in his life." (76:18)

They express concern over the professionalism of both Belichick and Jordan during the interview, pondering if Jordan's presence was more of a PR maneuver:

"He's not good for press, by the way." (87:12)

6. Beyoncé’s Cowboy Carter Tour Kickoff (78:00 – 99:00)

The hosts enthusiastically discuss Beyoncé’s highly anticipated Cowboy Carter Tour. They commend the tour’s production quality, costume design, and Beyoncé’s performance energy:

"It’s gonna be so good." (93:36)

Fran shares her excitement about attending the tour with friends, while Kelly expresses her admiration for the stunning visuals:

"I'm putting on my cowboy boots and hat… excited." (94:28)

7. Pop Corner: Listener Voicemails and Hot Takes (99:00 – 122:00)

Voicemails Addressed:

1. Katy Perry’s Lifetime Tour: Jessica from Lexington critiques Katy Perry’s tour, labeling it a disaster due to poor production and lackluster choreography. Kelly vehemently agrees, suggesting Perry’s team is mismanaging her performances:

   "It is an absolute disaster." (101:33)

2. Gossip Girl Plot Points: Bridget from North Carolina asks about the most absurd plot points in Gossip Girl. Fran and Kelly reminisce about the show’s exaggerated storylines, particularly Nate’s affair with an older woman:

   "That's one of those things hoping karma catches up with her." (118:09)

3. Bethenny Frankel’s Personality: Kenzie from Milwaukee inquires about Bethenny Frankel’s demeanor. Kelly and Fran discuss Frankel’s blend of humor and mean-spirited comments:

   "Sometimes she just can't help but laugh." (113:43)

Hot Takes:

• Kelly expresses frustration over unrealistic concert productions, specifically criticizing Katy Perry’s current tour.
• Fran reflects on the importance of authentic storytelling in pop culture journalism, mentioning her admiration for Demi Moore’s People’s Most Beautiful feature.

8. Interview with Charlotte Triggs, People Magazine Editor-in-Chief (122:00 – End)

People’s Most Beautiful Issue:

Charlotte Triggs discusses this year's cover star, Demi Moore, emphasizing her iconic status and contributions to the entertainment industry:

"She took on Hollywood and everybody's obsession with aging." (124:42)

Evolution of the Issue:

She outlines the transformation of the People’s Most Beautiful issue from a simple beauty list to a celebration of inner strength and accomplishments:

"We want it to be a celebration... of their accomplishments and inner beauty." (128:26)

Adapting to Digital Media:

Charlotte highlights the shift from traditional print to digital platforms, stressing the importance of video content and social media engagement in modern journalism:

"It's a huge evolution... we have a bunch of products now, even an app." (129:14)

Future of Celebrity Features:

Discussing future editions, Charlotte emphasizes diversity and the inclusion of various narratives, ensuring that beauty is portrayed holistically:

"We want all kinds of stories... celebrating extraordinary and ordinary people." (129:29)

Closing Remarks:

Fran and Kelly express their appreciation for Charlotte’s insights, encouraging listeners to explore the latest People magazine issues both online and in print.

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Conclusion

In this episode of Chicks in the Office, Fran and Kelly Keegs navigate a myriad of pop culture topics, from celebrity breakups and awkward interviews to upcoming tours and exclusive magazine interviews. The hosts offer candid opinions, engage with listener voicemails, and provide in-depth discussions, ensuring both entertainment and insightful commentary for their audience.

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Notable Quotes:

• "When you start with quality ingredients, you don't need to do much." – Fran (00:28)
• "I'm back in on Trent. We had a great night." – Kelly (02:53)
• "She is a good, spirited person." – Kelly on JoJo Siwa (16:42)
• "It is an absolute disaster." – Kelly on Katy Perry’s tour (101:33)
• "We want it to be a celebration... of their accomplishments and inner beauty." – Charlotte Triggs (128:26)

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Transcript

[Fran]

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[Kelly Keegs]

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[Fran]

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[Kelly Keegs]

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[Fran]

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[Kelly Keegs]

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[Fran]

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[Kelly Keegs]

Hello.

[Fran]

Yay. Yes.

[Kelly Keegs]

Everyone's favorite number one choice. No, honestly, here I am.

[Fran]

You might be. Oh, my God.

[Kelly Keegs]

I will say I was totally kidding.

[Fran]

I know. But I. Yeah, I was just.

[Kelly Keegs]

So you guys know I was not.

[Fran]

Being serious when I said was when I posted saying like, oh, suggesting who co host you were up there. Gia. You know, some various other. I was joking about the other barstool people that were.

[Kelly Keegs]

Jesse, you were telling me you were.

[Fran]

By far up there. Well, well, well, then not scum. No, no, not scumbag Trent.

[Kelly Keegs]

Not that scumbag trend. Yeah. Who. Who lived it up over the weekend. I know. We won't. We won't talk about you guys.

[Fran]

I know. We did a whole wedding.

[Kelly Keegs]

I was there too.

[Fran]

You were. You were.

[Charlotte Triggs]

And I love.

[Kelly Keegs]

Oh, my God. It was such a love vest. It was just so good.

[Noah]

But.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, but Trent was there and. And he was being lovely all night. I won't lie.

[Fran]

He was.

[Kelly Keegs]

He was being lovely all night.

[Noah]

That's how he gets you.

[Kelly Keegs]

Well, that's the problem.

[Fran]

That's the problem.

[Kelly Keegs]

I'm back in on Trent. We had a great night.

[Fran]

He ignores your texts, and he doesn't talk to you when he's out here. And then you see him in real life, and you have a conversation with him and you're like, ah, that's. That there.

[Kelly Keegs]

That's my. There's my man.

[Fran]

Yeah, he's, like, being nice to ask you questions.

[Kelly Keegs]

Exactly.

[Fran]

Checking in and you're like, okay, yeah, he's remembering stuff.

[Kelly Keegs]

All of a sudden, I'm like, oh, wow. Okay. All right. Maybe you are my friend.

[Fran]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Kelly Keegs]

But, yes, I'm very happy to be here, friend. Thank you for. Thank you for having me and happy to. To be a. A placeholder for precious Ria and Marty, who are enjoying their life right now, as they should, and I'm excited for them, as they should have a beautiful.

[Fran]

Sickly jealous, beautiful trip. I know, right?

[Kelly Keegs]

Really sickly jealous. It's not a joke.

[Fran]

I'm like, I do want her to throw her, like. Like, turn off her phone.

[Kelly Keegs]

I want her to throw her phone in there. You know, I told her, throw her phone in the lake. That nice.

[Fran]

That nice lake. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Get a new one when you get home.

[Noah]

Between Fran on her honeymoon, in terms of, like, my point of view, because, like, I didn't speak to Fran once for, like, the entirety.

[Fran]

I literally not think.

[Kelly Keegs]

I didn't even think to send a text. I said to Ria, I said, yeah.

[Noah]

I will text when texted.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, She's.

[Noah]

She's the one texting, so.

[Kelly Keegs]

No. Every time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's in chats.

[Charlotte Triggs]

She's.

[Kelly Keegs]

She's reliving as well.

[Fran]

I know.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's why I'm just like.

[Fran]

No, exactly. It's still so close to the wedding.

[Kelly Keegs]

How quickly did you leave after you went?

[Fran]

Right. I. Like, I was home. I came home Monday, wedding Saturday, Sunday, I was still in the Vineyard Monday, flew home Tuesday morning, left for honeymoon.

[Kelly Keegs]

Oh. So basically same.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Same time frame. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

Well, she'll.

[Kelly Keegs]

You know, it's. It's a. It's one of those things where you just, you know, you're getting excited, you're getting acclimated, you want to take pictures of everything you want.

[Fran]

Totally.

[Kelly Keegs]

Bring all your friends to the.

[Fran]

She's also just like, she. She's. She likes to be in the know.

[Kelly Keegs]

Share, and she doesn't.

[Fran]

Like, she wants to be in the know. She wants to be in the group chat still. She wants to know what everybody else is doing.

[Kelly Keegs]

She's the fomo. I do the same.

[Fran]

And that's.

[Kelly Keegs]

I'm like that.

[Fran]

But that's where I'm the opposite. I'm like, leave group. Don't talk to me. I don't. I don't care what you're doing. And you'll tell me in two weeks.

[Kelly Keegs]

I would. I think that would cripple my soul, like, if I were to. Yeah, I. In my brain. That sounds wonderful. And I would like to be that person. I think if I knew that there were group chats that I'm supposed to be in popping off that I'm not in at the moment, I would die. Like, I think I would die inside.

[Fran]

That's fair. That's fair.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's a terrible trait. That's a. I. I wish I was not that way. Maybe I'll go.

[Noah]

She texted our group yesterday. Like, our chicks in the office group. I thought about making a joke, being like, we're having such a good time in our other group.

[Kelly Keegs]

But I. Oh, no, don't.

[Noah]

I was like, I can't even do that.

[Fran]

No, she can't.

[Kelly Keegs]

No, she'll fly back and she knows.

[Charlotte Triggs]

What.

[Fran]

She's like, oh, my God. I'm like, you're just cracking me up, texting me. But.

[Kelly Keegs]

But no, it'll.

[Fran]

It'll dissipate. It's an adjustment period. Also, she, like, just got there and you're, like, still in tune, and there's, like, all. There's wedding stuff still being posted and everything. So it's like you're locked in and still.

[Kelly Keegs]

Absolutely.

[Fran]

And still living in it.

[Kelly Keegs]

Hey, yeah, yeah. Hey, girl. For sure.

[Fran]

So true.

[Kelly Keegs]

Well, she might. She might listen to the first 10 minutes to see if we talk about it.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

In which we are.

[Fran]

Right. In which we are.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's all about her. Surprise. Another two hours of Rhea. But from my perspective.

[Fran]

Right. So now, Kelly, give us the play by play on the way.

[Kelly Keegs]

So I woke up that day and I made sure that my spray tan looked okay. Which I'm really milking my spray tan. I've got shorts on today. 80 degrees in New York City.

[Fran]

I am, too.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's splotchy, though. It's splotchy as hell.

[Fran]

My arms. I'm in my jacket because my arms are starting to look bad.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And you know what I get in? Plug your ears. But like, the in between, like, the boob.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's so bad.

[Fran]

The boob remnants from the spray tan. Is just the worst.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's so ugly. Like, it's so ugly. So it makes your chest look crazy. Like, I think the last time that my chest will, like, not look.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

50 years older than it is.

[Fran]

You just can't exercise. And it, like, gets even worse. And then when it's sweaty and you, like. And it's just brown gun stain your sheets.

[Noah]

Like, how does that work?

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, like, kind of. Yeah, it's like.

[Fran]

I mean, it comes out in the.

[Kelly Keegs]

Wash. Yeah, it does, but sound like.

[Fran]

It'S a. I. I have a.

[Kelly Keegs]

A myriad of colors of sheets, and I'll make sure that, like, a darker. I have like a. A, like, juniper color on right now. That's like a darker, almost olive. And so I put that on before I got my spray tan. And now, like, I'll switch them out once my spray tan goes away. You know what I mean? Like, I. I don't like to, but. Yeah, it gets all over. It gets all over your shit. What I do, though, I'll do spray tan. And then I come home and I put on a robe, and I just walk around in the robe.

[Fran]

I normally do just about the same.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Yeah. And I feel like.

[Kelly Keegs]

Stomach's growling also. Apologies.

[Fran]

Oh, my God.

[Kelly Keegs]

No, I'm sorry.

[Fran]

You didn't get to eat when I was.

[Kelly Keegs]

No, I wasn't hungry at all.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

And I'm still not. My stomach's just growling when I was.

[Fran]

The last couple nights, it's like this. It's tough in New York. It's. You don't, like, fully have control of your heat and air and everything. So, like, the heat is still on in my building.

[Kelly Keegs]

Same.

[Fran]

So it's not on.

[Kelly Keegs]

On.

[Fran]

Like, I don't. Yeah, I don't, like, have it on.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Fran]

But there's heat. If you were to put your hand over it, it's still. It's still warm, so it makes everything very warm. And then it's warm during the day. And then my apartment gets very hot. And then sleeping at night. Not to be gross, but, like, this morning I woke up, I was totally sweating in my sleep, and I did look, and I was like, mm, that's definitely spray tan. Like, that's something that's spray tan.

[Kelly Keegs]

Like sweat, Like a film. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But that.

[Fran]

That.

[Kelly Keegs]

And then you're right about this. This time in New York, it's, you know, everybody that lives in a. In an apartment with a radiator that you can only open and close as much as you can.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

The heat still comes on, though, so. Yeah. I. I was having trouble on Sunday because I. It was cold outside and I opened my window and I thought, oh, my God, it's a beautiful day. It's a beautiful day. Not realizing that my heater directly in front of the window was on. So when I walked up to it being like, wow, it's stunning. It's beautiful. It was actually just heat blowing directly in my face. And I went outside and it was 40 degrees. Felt like 35. Horrible. It's horrible.

[Fran]

Yeah, exactly.

[Kelly Keegs]

And that's how it is.

[Fran]

Well, it's beautiful. This week you're going to see the blossoms. Going to see the boss time of.

[Kelly Keegs]

Year'S the day full bloom. Of course. Well, you know, I was. I was, for lack of a better phrase, a pig and shit at the wedding because it was just full of blossoms. It was a blossom paradise. That is my number one thing. So I really.

[Fran]

I wish I walked into the room. When you walked into the room, I knew it was.

[Kelly Keegs]

I was prepared for it.

[Fran]

I know, but still another. There, you see it?

[Kelly Keegs]

Well, I, obviously, I was like, you know, half in the bag also. And I walked in and I was like, tears streaming down my face. I think I started crying at a certain point and had just had perpetual, like, rimmed eye tears the rest of the night. Like, it was just. It was so stunning, so beautiful. But. But yeah, the blossoms and flowers in general, you know, florals for spring, groundbreaking. But I just. They really. They really invigorate my soul. And so I just gotta. You gotta pay. Pay your respects to Mother Nature.

[Fran]

Exactly.

[Kelly Keegs]

She's showing off. Right?

[Fran]

And today's the day. Today is the day.

[Kelly Keegs]

And today is the day for you. So. Yes. Catch me there.

[Fran]

Well, we have a lot of topics to catch up on. So much has been going on, so we'll jump into that. But we're also going to do our popcorner. So we'll do some calls, love calls, some voicemails from the listeners, see what they're into. Right now, a lot of them will.

[Noah]

Be addressed to Ria, but just pretend.

[Kelly Keegs]

That I'll answer as Ria. I'll be like, as a married woman, this is how I feel. Wait, speaking of being a married woman, Fran, I. I got so many dms that I was so confused by when you posted the selfie of us. I guess the way that we took it, the photo, like, flipped.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

And so it looked like this ring, which is just my nana's ring that I wear around, was on my wedding ring.

[Fran]

Oh, flooded with.

[Kelly Keegs]

Damn. Oh, my God, you're Engaged? You're engaged? What the. Didn't even know you're getting. Oh, no, I'm not engaged.

[Fran]

Think about that.

[Kelly Keegs]

But I honestly, I'm only saying it on this podcast because I do kind of want to keep people guessing. So if people really did think, like, I was engaged, I want them to keep thinking it.

[Fran]

Oh, my God. So. Oh, my God. It really does. And, like, the way your hand is on my shoulder and it kind of.

[Kelly Keegs]

Looks like an engage. Like, I didn't think about it looking like an engagement ring, but I think it is, like. Like an old, you know.

[Fran]

Right.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's. I'm wearing around, and so that's so funny. How funny, right?

[Fran]

Can I also share that? The funniest part of what I was laughing at. One of the things I was laughing at about the wedding was when we sat down in the pew one, you had to tie Joe's bow tie, which you did a fantastic job.

[Kelly Keegs]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Fran]

So there needs to be a bow tie person in the friend group. It's not me, so I'm glad it's you.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's me. I went to school in the South. You gotta know how to do those things.

[Fran]

Yep. And then you had such nervous energy, and I was cracking up because you're sitting behind me in the pew, and I just hear you go, fran, does my makeup look okay? I just realized I didn't put a highlighter on. She was like, I forgot my highlighter. Do I not look dewy? I don't think I really did. I don't think I was so. I don't think I look dewy enough. And I was like, your makeup looks stunning.

[Kelly Keegs]

You and Frannie were both so dewy. And I was like, I forgot the highlighter.

[Fran]

I was like, ria's gonna notice.

[Kelly Keegs]

I really was.

[Fran]

I was.

[Kelly Keegs]

I was so. I. We were talking about it before I. I was getting ready in my apartment and just, like, scream. Like, I just kept being like, oh, my God. Like, I could not control my excitement.

[Fran]

I know.

[Kelly Keegs]

Did not drink at all before. You know, you can't drink before the church.

[Fran]

But I.

[Kelly Keegs]

When I was getting ready, I was like, should I have a glass of wine to calm down?

[Noah]

Like, I was really like, should I?

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Fran]

I had to, like, stop myself from doing it or else I was like, I'm gonna be way. I'm gonna. Like, I'm going to give. I thought if I had a glass of Prosecco, like, before, I'd give myself a headache.

[Kelly Keegs]

Right. You know, when you have one, it's.

[Fran]

Like, we have one. And then you get worked up.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes.

[Fran]

And then when you get worked up, that's when the headache comes on.

[Kelly Keegs]

I was. I was so worked up. Like, just. I was just so overcome. Everyone looks so good. I was so excited. Like, and you had just, like, right when I was leaving my apartment to. To pick everybody up, you had said, like, to me and Gia, prepare yourself.

[Fran]

I did.

[Kelly Keegs]

I look insane. And when you said that text, I was like, I. I was like, oh, my God.

[Fran]

Oh, my God, oh, my God.

[Kelly Keegs]

And I, like, went back. I'm redoing my hair. Like, I just was, like, everyone needed to be. To be, you know, a one. And I feel like we really all pulled it out, and I think it all looks good. Despite the fact I was missing highlighter.

[Fran]

Right, right, right, right. Which is, let me tell you, your makeup still looked amazing. Amazing. Slightly less dewy, but amazing nonetheless.

[Kelly Keegs]

I was a little less dewy, but it's like you need all the dewy you can get for a wedding.

[Fran]

Sometimes, though, like, no, because you're. The tears, you're sweating. Like, different times, you're getting hot. Like, all these moments, you. The dew naturally comes back.

[Kelly Keegs]

And it. And it did. Because I did. I did. When I was crying, like, during. Like, as they're leaving. They were leaving the church. They're walking out. I'm crying. I'm. They stop. He's dipping her. Everything's happening. Whatever. I'm. I'm crying. Sobbing tears. I did take my tears and do a little. A little. Just a little. Just a little.

[Fran]

Life's natural highlighter.

[Kelly Keegs]

Life's natural highlighter. Yeah. So I did do that. And then I felt better after. I forgot about that. I forgot about that. I was like. I was so. I was so excited. I was just so excited. And, you know, what can you do?

[Fran]

It was little or best.

[Kelly Keegs]

What can you do literally best.

[Fran]

Exactly. So we'll get into that. And then we also have an interview with Charlotte Triggs, who's the People editor in chief. She was here.

[Kelly Keegs]

Oh, fabulous.

[Fran]

Fabulous. A little one on one.

[Kelly Keegs]

Oh, I can't wait to get to watch this all back and listen me.

[Fran]

And her talking People's most beautiful issue. Love her career and we love People. She's been at people for, like, 20 years. Very impressive. She just got promoted to editor in chief the beginning of this year.

[Kelly Keegs]

Let's go. Congratulations to her.

[Fran]

Very exciting. She's girl, boss, and heart, as they say.

[Kelly Keegs]

Hell, yeah.

[Fran]

And we're gonna get into some topics, so let's jump right into it. We got some big ones. I know Ri and I teased it because we sat down on Sunday and we were like, how do we not talk about JoJo Siwa? Because Ray and I've been texting about it nonstop. It's out of this world.

[Kelly Keegs]

I am so happy to be here to talk about it.

[Fran]

JoJo Siwa, the saga that has been celebrity big Brother in the uk. It has been an absolutely wild ride. We have a new couple in BJ Novak and Delaney Rowe, who is, you know, Internet TikTok actress, star actress, does a lot of skits, funny skits.

[Kelly Keegs]

I'm a big fan of hers.

[Fran]

Last week we didn't get to talk about this either. The summer I turned pretty, a teaser came out which we really need to dissect. There's a rumor of a Sophie Turner breakup perhaps. And Joe Jonas just released a new song all in tandem. Just saying. Travis Kelce allegedly unfollowed Ryan Reynolds on Instagram. We had the world's most uncomfortable interview with Bill Belichick on CBS this Morning with his girlfriend Jordan. And the Cowboy Carter tour has kicked off night one in la. Yes, the stars were out. We got to see the costumes, the stage, the, the appearances. There are some appearances from her daughters. So we will talk about that. And like I said, Popcorner and the interview. So let's kick it off with some JoJo Siwa introducing innovation from the award winning number one dry shampoo brand. The new Batiste Light Dry Shampoo is their lightest dry shampoo ever. Addressing some of the main reasons you may already be using dry shampoo. It blends seamlessly into your hair and leaves no visible white residue. It's lightweight and non gritty, absorbing oil and grease for a cleaner looking hair without weighing it down. The Batiste Light Dry Shampoo comes in two soft and subtle scents, Mellow Melon and Zen Matcha. Both of these smell so nice. It's light, it's easy. Dry shampoo is the best. The Batiste Light Dry Shampoo is so great. I have a bottle with me so that I am ready to go. Especially when leaving the gym. I got somewhere to be, errands to run. Give it a little zhuzh. Makes your blowout last a few more extra days. So you can buy the Batiste Light Dry Shampoo online or in store at your nearest retailer.

[Kelly Keegs]

Fran first of all, whenever I think of Jojo Cy, I think of you first. Just so you know, because.

[Fran]

Wow.

[Kelly Keegs]

Because. Thank you. Because Justin Bieber burned my car. That's all I ever got.

[Fran]

That's a throwback yes.

[Kelly Keegs]

You are the first person I think of two. I think I love Jojo Siwa. Like, I really enjoy her. I think that she means well. I think that she is a good, spirited person. And I. When the clip of Mickey Rourke, all that came out, I was like, that guy.

[Fran]

Yep.

[Kelly Keegs]

I love Jojo Siwa. I will literally stand by her forever and always. And I still am. And I'm now feeling bad because I think that she is just. She's just. She's just confused what she wants in her life.

[Fran]

Yeah. I think there's a lot of layers to this.

[Kelly Keegs]

A lot of layers.

[Fran]

And she is definitely still trying to find herself. She's 21 years old.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes.

[Fran]

I think she is used to doing that all on reality tv. So when she's in those settings, I feel like it almost makes her more introspective, if that makes sense somehow. Cause it's like she doing Dance moms or. You know, she did.

[Kelly Keegs]

Did you Special Forces?

[Fran]

Special Forces.

[Kelly Keegs]

Did you watch that season with her? I did. I didn't watch great on Special Forces.

[Fran]

And funny enough, I find that there's like a really similar. This is more extreme, but, like, I know you're about to say Jojo and Tyler Cameron became so close from Special Forces.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes.

[Fran]

Like, best buds. They were talking about like, brother, sister vibe. Like, Jojo came to. This was like two years. It was right after they had finished filming. And Nick File was there too, from them doing the show. And that it was for a foundation for Tyler's mom. And they do an event every year, his gala. And she was there and it was so nice. And they were so close. And I was like, JB dance battle. JoJo C was a bad idea.

[Kelly Keegs]

Never forget, never forget. JB's failed dance fell to the ground.

[Fran]

Yep. Failed dance battle. Yep. And so now I'm like, okay, here she is on another show with, you know, an older, handsome reality TV vet that, like, yes. That are becoming so close. This took another level because there was a major physical aspect to this that I did not see when I was watching Special Forces. Not at all between her and Tyler. So if you're watching, it's tough because we really. I only was seeing clips on TikTok.

[Kelly Keegs]

Me too.

[Fran]

Celebrity Big Brother. I'm sure there's a way to watch it here. It's not like easily found. The Zuk version. And I don't, you know, I'm not chasing it down. Like, I do Love Island.

[Kelly Keegs]

Right.

[Fran]

When I'm. When I'm watching on my vpn, I'm.

[Kelly Keegs]

Sure, you couldn't necessarily be appointment TV in any other scenario, but suddenly this interesting storyline is blossoming, and now it's, like, over, right? Like, it's. It's done.

[Fran]

Show's over. So show is over. I. And I've also never watched Big Brother neither.

[Kelly Keegs]

Well, I've seen episodes. I've never watched a season start to finish. Like, I know all the. All the popular people, like Season One Traders. I knew Dan. Like, I knew. I know some of the people that, like, come in the. Really. The reality star vets, the ones that kind of pop up on other shows and are around that have that name recognition. Exactly. And this guy, Chris, right?

[Fran]

Chris Hughes.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes, Chris. He is also.

[Fran]

He has it. He is that Love Island Season 3. He was with Olivia, who was actually just on our show recently. They. Not only did they have a spinoff reality show after their season of Love island, he has done other shows, plenty of other shows. And he also dated Jesse from Little Mix.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes. Which Little Mix? Same love. So I. My question then, I guess Fran is like the, The. The point where it turned and we started being like, okay, what's happening here, for me at least, was when he was, like, tickling her back in bed. Right. Have you guys talked about that already yet? No, we don't.

[Fran]

We haven't talked about this yet.

[Kelly Keegs]

Oh, okay. Because I saw that and I was like, okay, yes, that. That is a sweet thing. And I know that. That JoJo identifies a certain way. She likes a certain kind of person. And I really didn't think too much about it. Even when I saw it. I did think like, well, that's cozy. But then I thought, okay, no, no, no. She's got her whole thing going on. And I, I also didn't like where I kind of went in my head being like, is he taking advantage of a situation? And then I was like, I don't. That can't be it. That can't be. Because he seems really nice and caring and sweet. So I don't think there's anything nefarious about it, but it is something to note. It's something to note.

[Fran]

No, it absolutely is. And I did see, and once again, this is solely from my for you page that I've built brick by brick. You know, what people were saying was, especially after the Mickey Rourke stuff, which if you didn't see that Mickey Rourke was on the season of Celebrity Big Brother first episode, he had some very not okay things to say about jojo Siwa. He used some language that was extremely inappropriate.

[Kelly Keegs]

He's Dropping f. Slurs as jokes.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Being like. He was like, oh, it's all fun and games.

[Fran]

He said something along the lines of, like, we gotta get the lesbian out first. Like, just really gross things. And Chris had defended her in those scenarios, too, to him.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes.

[Fran]

Which may have kicked it off in a. In a certain way. JoJo also went into the show in a relationship.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes.

[Fran]

Jojo had been dating Kath, who is an Australian personality dj. And they have had a lot to say.

[Kelly Keegs]

Now post.

[Fran]

Because JoJo broke up with Cath at the wrap party of the season. Now, I'm jumping ahead, but there's just so much going on.

[Kelly Keegs]

There's a lot. There's a lot. But wait, wait, wait. Bring it back a little bit to Mickey Rourke because. Because there's something important here where Mickey Rourke is obviously this old man. He's out of touch so much plastic surgery, can't even move his face. Like, nobody really. I crazy. He was even on Big Brother to begin with. He's. He's throwing out what he thinks are jokes about lesbians about Jojo. And he's saying this to her face. Like, it's not like he was talking behind her back and she heard about it. He was saying, er is to her face. He was saying, like, oh, who do you like? You like girls? Yeah. I can tell, like, saying stuff like that. Everyone around was uncomfortable. Everyone around was like, mickey, you can't say that. JoJo was saying, Mickey, you can't say that. Chris said to him, being like, man, that's not cool. After the, like, joke, he was like, that's up. Not cool. Whatever. In that moment, Mickey goes away. That's when JoJo and Chris have this for the first time. I. I think, again, based on clips.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

They have this moment where Jojo's clearly upset and Chris cozy's up to her and is like, listen, if you just need to cry, you cry. And he, like, holds her and she's sobbing in his arms. Like, she's having a vulnerable moment because she was just discriminated against for sexuality by this old man in the middle of a reality TV show. And it was a really sweet moment, a friend moment for sure. And I didn't think anything of that past that except for, like, wow, this is really sweet.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Then I guess in the coming weeks, like, they just got closer, became better friends. Maybe that moment of him, like, really being there for her sparked something in her that thinks, like, okay, maybe that's. I'm just looking for someone to be there for me. Not necessarily doesn't matter who it is. I just really like how he stuck up for me and whatever. And then we've got the tickling of the back and all that's going on.

[Fran]

They were constantly touching.

[Kelly Keegs]

They were always touching.

[Fran]

And every clip there's. They're talking about massages, they're cuddling in bed. There's a. They're in a hot tub. Like, there's. There's just.

[Kelly Keegs]

They were inseparable.

[Fran]

Like a line. Whether you are. If there's a defense of like, oh, it's. They're just so close. They're just friends. Jojo's in a relationship. Like, that seemed to be a defense that was used. And then there was people that were like, oh, Chris is using this to his advantage to stay in the house.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And that kind of thing, manipulating her. Right. Like, it makes him look good. But then it's just like. I don't know, it just. Sorry. It just took a level that was like, this is not platonic teaching.

[Kelly Keegs]

No, I'm sorry.

[Fran]

I just. I have guy friends. I have no problem, like, giving a hug or like touching their arm, whatever.

[Kelly Keegs]

I'm a touchy friend.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Like, if you think of, oh, your touchiest friends, like, I'm one of the. I'm up there.

[Fran]

Right.

[Kelly Keegs]

And even if I said all friends.

[Fran]

Girlfriends, guy friends, everybody, I said, that's.

[Kelly Keegs]

Something's there that's sexual. Like, there's. It's just not so much sexual. No, it is sexual, but more of like intimate.

[Fran]

Right.

[Kelly Keegs]

Like, it was. It was. Yeah. It was more than just sex. It was like.

[Fran]

Right.

[Kelly Keegs]

It felt whatever.

[Fran]

So then it does feel like JoJo was also working through a lot of feelings and this was also happening. She was opening up about herself, her sexuality, saying, I've always felt like I was a lesbian. Maybe that's not how I fully identify as anymore. She was like, I feel like I'm queer. And that's. She was also speaking about, you know, how she has non binary people in her life and like that label and kind of like.

[Kelly Keegs]

And she did say in the show, I'm non binary. I like girls. Is like what she said or something. I. I think it's. It's wrong about that. No, that's what she said to Mickey when he asked her, like, what's your deal?

[Fran]

Right.

[Kelly Keegs]

I think that's what she has. I don't.

[Fran]

I'm. I'm not sure on that because I think she had said it's something that she's thought about.

[Kelly Keegs]

Maybe that's.

[Fran]

But she's not quite sure if she would want to fully use that. I think that's another part that, like, that she was working through of, like. Yeah, yeah, it's.

[Kelly Keegs]

It was a couple weeks ago.

[Fran]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Regardless, she's talking about Cath. Yes.

[Fran]

And. And her relationship and how she's had these feelings of, like, oh, is that more of how I feel or is this how I feel? And, you know, she's 21 years old. She's working through a lot of these emotions, feelings. She's been on reality TV her whole life. Like, it's a lot. It's a lot to go through. And it just felt like as it went on, she seemed to be questioning more and more and their relationship. Jojo and Chris was getting closer and closer and seemingly more and more physical. JoJo's 21. Chris is 32. They are now off the show. They did their first. They did an interview on, like, morning.

[Kelly Keegs]

TV in the UK or whatever. They're this Morning Today.

[Fran]

Whatever.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And, I mean, he's got his hand on her knee the whole interview. They're like.

[Kelly Keegs]

He has his hand. We're so close.

[Fran]

We're such friends. Like, such good friend.

[Kelly Keegs]

The word friend no less than 10,000 times.

[Fran]

Oh, yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

But then he described it as sometimes a soulmate friend.

[Fran]

I think he was saying.

[Kelly Keegs]

He said, sometimes you have friends who are like. You have soulmate friends who. It's like, we are friends and we are so close and we love each other and the love is there, but it's a friendship. Like, we are friends.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

And I'll say this, like, I definitely have friendships that are deep friendships and that are. And I'm not with. With, like, guy friends. I have guy friends who have deep friendships with them. And I know that it's. It's platonic now. Maybe it wasn't at some point in time.

[Fran]

Right.

[Kelly Keegs]

You know, but it's like, it's. It's a different level, for sure. Yeah. When you've had that kind of relationship and then your friends and it's years go by and then, yes. It's like, oh, we. That's how we were meant to be, you know? But I don't think that they can. I mean, I don't know. I don't want to, like, Gatekeep friendship, but it is. It's. Yeah, it seems so, like, such a strong way to describe a friendship that has always been platonic, you know, saying, like, I would never describe. Imagine. I'm not going to use a real example, but, like, it's like, I Have one of. One of my guy friends here or something. And I'm like, oh, that's my soulmate friend.

[Fran]

Yeah, right.

[Kelly Keegs]

He'll be like, what the fuck? So you guys hooked up, right? It's like what they would say.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

And I would say, if I were to classify someone as a soulmate friend. Yeah, maybe we hooked up when we were kids or, you know, whatever. And then you find out that your friends, like, that's how you become that kind of friend. And I'm just so curious as to, like, what, right. Do we think, like, things happen behind the scenes, and maybe they tried to work it out and they decided we're better than friends. Better as friends.

[Fran]

And I have no clue. I mean, it's not like the cameras aren't on when they're on.

[Kelly Keegs]

Like, true. But they're all. Now, you know, I'm saying, like, yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

No, now. I mean, now they've said, like, oh, we're gonna figure out what's going.

[Kelly Keegs]

I don't know.

[Fran]

It's like, they kind of alluded to them spending time together outside of the show and, like, seeing what's going on.

[Kelly Keegs]

I feel like they needed. They're like. They're like, yeah, we're gonna maybe hook up and see if it works out. Like, that's. That's the vibe I got.

[Fran]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. It really. Yeah, it really is interesting. Cause I think that it felt like, well, oh, Jojo, you know, Jojo wouldn't be attracted to him.

[Kelly Keegs]

People would. One would think.

[Fran]

One would think. But in this case, it seems like maybe things were moving around, and she's like, well, maybe there is some.

[Kelly Keegs]

Maybe.

[Fran]

I don't know.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, exactly. This is a new door that I've not explored, a new avenue I've not addressed. And I think, you know, it was.

[Fran]

Very, like, look, she seemed very excited to be discovering different parts of herself and, like, growing and seeing how she feels. Exactly. And she was like. She's laughing. She was like, I'm turning the L to a Q. Like, you know, she's like. They're talking about the letters, and she's like, I'm the L to the Q now. And, like, just how she feels. And I love whatever journey Jojo is on because once again, I think Jojo is like a ray of sunshine.

[Kelly Keegs]

I agree.

[Fran]

She comes into her room. We felt it when she came on our show, too. She's just has such a. Like. What's the right word? She's just a. She's very Genuine magnetic energy.

[Kelly Keegs]

She's very genuine that you really just.

[Fran]

Feel and maybe Chris has really felt. I don't know what's going on there.

[Kelly Keegs]

But it's just, she's so interesting, a captivating woman. Like, she is so lovely and I mean, we're going on and on about how lovely she is, but I. It would not shock me at all for, like, guys to be attracted to her. Like, just because she says I like girls doesn't mean that guys don't think that she's attractive or are attracted to her as a person or anything. So that. That's the other element to it. And. But I. I will say that after seeing all the clips and then now seeing this interview in the morning and whatever, I don't think that Chris is doing anything wrong. I think that he's playing it right. I think that he is being respectful of her, trying to figure her out. I don't necessarily think he's like cloud chasing off her. Like, I don't get those vibes. You know how.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

When someone dates someone new and you see them kind of like in the middle of something.

[Fran]

I don't know, a little suss of.

[Kelly Keegs]

Him, a little bit like. Like Bill Belichick and what's her face.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Right. Stop by that. But I. Here's the thing is, I want to try not to be sus, because I want to believe that this is genuine.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

But if it comes out one day that he is sus, I. I probably won't be surprised, but I hope not.

[Fran]

I just feel like at what. At what point in the house, what I feel anyone would be like, is this okay? I don't know. I don't know. On his side. On his. Coming from him.

[Kelly Keegs]

Coming from him, you know, so I. I'm.

[Fran]

I'm not quite sure. I'm really.

[Kelly Keegs]

Also, it's not like it was like all instigated by JoJo. Like, it was very 50 mutual.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

You know what I mean? Like, it's like she was hanging all over him and no big brother. Like, it wasn't like her relationship with Tyler Cameron. Like, it wasn't. It wasn't like that.

[Fran]

Right.

[Kelly Keegs]

Like, their relationship I saw in my son, brother and sister bff and I bought it hook, line and sinker, no matter what. That was great.

[Fran]

This is another level. Definitely another level.

[Kelly Keegs]

So interesting.

[Fran]

So the show ends and Kath Traveled to see JoJo for the end of the show. I guess they hadn't really been able to speak that much and.

[Kelly Keegs]

Right. You're not allowed to big. The rules of big Brothers, like, no communicate with anyone from the outside. I think you can win. Like, phone calls or something. Like, I may be. I'm hazy on the rules.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

The details. But I do think, like, you're sequestered for most of it.

[Fran]

Right.

[Kelly Keegs]

You know, completely majority.

[Fran]

So Kath makes this whole video, and they say Jojo pitched it as going on another show. And it's the lights, camera, action. It's a TV show, you know, kind.

[Kelly Keegs]

Of referring to Big Brother.

[Fran]

Big brother. Yeah. To be like, you know, it's reality tv. Things are gonna be said, seen, heard, whatever.

[Kelly Keegs]

Got it.

[Fran]

But I'm in this relationship and maybe try to reassure them a little bit, so.

[Kelly Keegs]

Got it.

[Fran]

Cath's under that impression. Cass watching the show, probably like, what the fuck is going on?

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah. So, yeah. But if I'm Cathy, I'm calling up Jojo and being like, are you cheating on me right now?

[Fran]

Right. Exactly.

[Kelly Keegs]

Like, a little bit, based on what we see, you know?

[Fran]

So I think that Kath thought, I'll go see what the deal is. They hadn't really spoken. And then on the morning show, Jojo said that it wasn't really the plan to see Kath at that point. Or maybe she didn't know if Kath was gonna be at that party. And then she ended up being at the party and. Cause Kath in their video said, I got dumped at the wrap party of the show.

[Kelly Keegs]

Oh, God.

[Fran]

And Jojo said she didn't expect Kath to be there. They had a conversation that Jojo did not think was gonna happen in that setting, but it did, and started talking about feelings. And Jojo kind of just say, you know, I'm not. I'm not in it anymore. And breaks up with Kath in that setting.

[Kelly Keegs]

Oh, no.

[Fran]

So you see that, and then you see Kath's video, and you're like, oh.

[Kelly Keegs]

You'Re like, what the hell? No, they've been.

[Fran]

They've been off the show for two seconds. JoJo and Chris. And Jojo immediately breaks up with Kath.

[Kelly Keegs]

I'll say this, though. If you're Jojo and you're on this show and you've just experienced something and it's been what, weeks? Months.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

I forget exactly how much time they're in the house, but. Right.

[Fran]

She's experienced a lot. Feels really almost traumatic. There's like a trauma bond, I think, almost here between these two.

[Kelly Keegs]

A billion percent. Yes. And also, you're. You're working things out. You're not sure how you feel. About certain things, certain people in your own life, whatever. You need a moment without the cameras alone to think, center yourself, and then move forward with figuring out how you're gonna put back together slash pick up the pieces of your life after the show. You don't expect to come out of the show and see the one person that you need to have the most serious conversation with as soon as you do. So I'll be honest.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

I don't. I feel bad that that happened to Kath. I don't feel bad that that happened. If Cath showed up to that party and Jojo had no idea that they were gonna be there. You know what I mean? Like, I think that that's not fair to Jojo.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Or maybe they were go through so much.

[Fran]

Right. I think there's maybe some discussions of when they were going to see each.

[Kelly Keegs]

Other and, like, who brought Catherine? The producers. Like, that's my feeling of being at the party trying to stir up drama when you. They know that it's going to be a. A very heavy conversation.

[Fran]

Like, it's not like, very breaking up.

[Kelly Keegs]

Like, yeah. You know, in the grand scheme of things. Yeah, they broke up. But there's a lot more to it.

[Fran]

You know, there apps. There absolutely is. That is interesting in that. That situation. But like you said, it's just got to a point where you're like, oh, no, Tim.

[Kelly Keegs]

Okay. And. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Jojo and Chris, they're doing their interviews. They're living.

[Fran]

Love you to love this quote from Kath. I honestly feel so numbed out right now and so disoriented that I feel like the only thing I have to do to place this situation is to finally address it. After two weeks of sitting back, watching certain things unfold, and not being able to get any clarity from the person that involved.

[Kelly Keegs]

I mean, she's on the show.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

That bothers me a little bit.

[Fran]

Kath did say that Jojo, in the past, had already asked to marry them.

[Kelly Keegs]

Oh, that's tough.

[Fran]

According to Kath, what the audience saw on the show between Jojo and Chris was laced in a lot of truth. And the experience of watching it was unsettling. And they felt betrayed.

[Kelly Keegs]

I would also feel betrayed.

[Fran]

Yeah. Cat said, I was told that there are confused feelings there, which, I mean, clearly we can see that.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Which I. Which I will say, I. I do give Jojo credit in that sense that she. That's honest. She was like, I am. Right. Like, I. I am. I am certainly, yes, confused with what's going on right now.

[Kelly Keegs]

Totally agree. Because it takes. Yeah. Especially when she made Jojo made such a big, you know, I don't want to say make such a big deal, but made a big spectacle of her sexuality at a certain point.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

She really, you know, she's not so much doing it now, but when she first started talking about it, it was.

[Fran]

This deal and entering like the Walmart, everything. Yeah. So the quote from Jojo was initially, I was told that the wrap party was something they didn't want to attend. And then about an hour into the wrap party they decided they wanted to. So I don't think JoJo planned to break up with Kath in that setting. No, Kath wasn't supposed to be there and then Kath ended up being there and that's that. So I don't know. But they've been posting on Social still Jojo and Chris and looked like they were playing tennis together this week.

[Kelly Keegs]

Holy shit.

[Fran]

So I don't know. I don't know.

[Charlotte Triggs]

She's.

[Kelly Keegs]

She's. I moved on.

[Fran]

Just an absolute wild ride really is for them on. On Celebrity Big Brother. So like I said, like you said, you know, Chris said a million times that just friends are his friends. So we'll see what continues and what happens out of those two. This week, a moving on will go into BJ Novak. The this Week people confirmed that BJ Novak is now dating Delaney Rowe. She's big on. On the Internet. TikTok Instagram makes those like, funny sketches and she.

[Kelly Keegs]

I am a.

[Fran]

She calls her the Internet's actor.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes. I am a major Delaney Rose, Stan. I like every single one of her videos. She makes essentially parodies of like rom coms and it's like unrealistic male female friendships in a rom com. And she'll like act it out. But she's an excellent actress. She's actually legitimately good actress. She has people her, she has friends that she works with. They're also really good. She makes. She's very good at and I believe now makes a lot of money because of this. Every time she gets an ad deal, she writes a skit about it and just like slips it in and it's. She's the best, like advertiser I've seen.

[Fran]

Right. It's like independently seamless.

[Kelly Keegs]

It really isn't. But the comments are always like, I didn't even know this was an ad. This is amazing. You know, whatever. She's. She's excellent. And apparently she also is like a writer as well. And so she. And then she is dipping her toes into the fashion world. She's getting invited to, like, Gucci shows and, you know, mew mew and whatever. So she is certainly not new on the scene. But I have to say, Fran, I'm shocked that BJ Novak admits to having a girlfriend. Right. Is that crazy?

[Fran]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Because of the whole. Because of the whole thing.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

You know, with. With Mindy and whatever. And everyone knows that. That they're not actually together. They've made that very clear that they're not.

[Fran]

Yep.

[Kelly Keegs]

But I am just surprised to see this.

[Fran]

And so there's a picture that's been circulating of the two of them, but I guess this picture is from, like, the end of last year that they were seen at an event together, and that, like, did spark some speculation.

[Kelly Keegs]

Interesting.

[Fran]

But I guess recently I only saw Yesterday. No, it's because yesterday is when the articles were being posted and people wrote. Social media users continue to speculate about the relationship in April, with one user next sharing that she learned their romance from TikTok, and they were previously photographed together at the Standard in New York as well, last year. Nova last November. So interesting. That just seems to be where they're at. And they. They have not commented or anything has been said about it. They don't really. There's. There's really no confirmation of it besides the fact that they are. You know, sources are saying they're dating.

[Kelly Keegs]

That's what they're saying.

[Fran]

Sources are saying that they're dating.

[Kelly Keegs]

I wouldn't be surprised about their person. Just, I mean. I mean, don't know Delaney Rowe at all. But based on how she. How she writes these skits and how she acts, how she does, like, I imagine she's very funny and very creative.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

As is BJ Novak. So I'm cool with that combo in that way, you know, Definitely.

[Fran]

I laughed because I saw a lot of people making the comparison saying, like, this is so funny because so many of the characters that Delaney does are, like, so similar to the kind of characters that Mindy Kaling writes in her. In her story.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's exactly. Yes. But the way that Mindy writes them is, you know, it's a trope, but she makes it funny.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

This is like, a very clear parody of, like, the tropes. You know what I mean? It is. It's. Again, she's a. I personally think she's very talented. Just based on what I like.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

And so I wouldn't be surprised. And I love. I love BJ Novak. I think he's an excellent Writer.

[Fran]

Like, he's.

[Kelly Keegs]

I. I read his book. He's got. He's got that thing on, like Apple TV or. Or Amazon. I forget. He has, like, another thing that he made that's really good. Oh, my God. I think he. Noah, was he involved in. Fleischman's in trouble. Was BJ Novak involved in that? Did I make that up? I might have made that up. I might have made that up completely. He was involved in a show that I was like, wow, I can't believe he's involved in the show. And it was just so good. Oh, yeah. The premise. It was called and it was. It's host BJ Novak works through timeless moral questions in unprecedented times and explores pressing topics like gun control, identity, social justice, sex, capitalism, revenge, love, fame, social media. But it was like skits John Barenthal was in.

[Fran]

Okay, okay.

[Kelly Keegs]

And it was on.

[Noah]

Oh, yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

You know, do you remember?

[Noah]

I remember this, and I can't.

[Kelly Keegs]

Oh, it was on. It was on Hulu. It was a Hulu. Okay, so. But yeah, so he. He has this extent. You know, obviously he did a lot of writing for the Office. Like, that was his. That's his big.

[Noah]

His movie was really good.

[Kelly Keegs]

Super good.

[Noah]

Vengeance.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes, yes.

[Fran]

Oh, that's the one that John Mayer. Yeah, yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But. But, yeah, So I. I'm. I think I like the couple. I gotta say. I like the couple.

[Fran]

I will like it. God, it's good. A funny reaction online because people were like, what? Yeah, but you know, after the initial, like, what? It's like, okay, it's like, all right, cool.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, yeah, whatever.

[Fran]

Like, okay, cool. You know, it's like, yeah, What? He is 45. She's 29. I mean, it's not the craziest thing I've ever heard at this point in time, but, you know, if she were.

[Kelly Keegs]

30, I don't think I think anything of it.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

So it's like, really? I mean, we're splitting hairs.

[Fran]

Right, right, right, right, right.

[Kelly Keegs]

And also, again, like, I. I do think based on her. Her skits and stuff, like, she's very quick. Quick witted.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

So I like that. Yeah.

[Fran]

You know, they probably met on Raya.

[Kelly Keegs]

They probably did.

[Fran]

People always talk about BJ Novak being on Raya.

[Kelly Keegs]

I went on a date one time with his brother.

[Fran]

Really?

[Kelly Keegs]

Years and years ago.

[Noah]

That's how that movie started. Was him like, on Raya? Like.

[Fran]

No, I know. And I think he really, like, I think is notoriously on Raya.

[Kelly Keegs]

So, yeah, probably. I've not seen him on there.

[Fran]

Yeah. So I wouldn't be surprised if maybe they met.

[Noah]

Look, just like, wait, you went out with his brother?

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes, years and years ago. And I got so drunk because I was so nervous, and I don't remember the date at all.

[Noah]

You knew that? You knew that it was his brother going into it?

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes.

[Fran]

And. And it was.

[Kelly Keegs]

I know. I asked about Mindy. I know it. Like, I know. Yeah. I think we went to Spring Lounge.

[Fran]

Oh, yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

That's how. Like, that's how drunk I was. I was like, let's just go to Spring Lounge. Years. This was so many years ago. Like, so many years ago. And we were. We're better off friends. Like, it was one of those, like. All right, well, we'll just.

[Noah]

Are you friends?

[Kelly Keegs]

No. I mean, I have his number still, probably, but. No, we're not. We're not.

[Fran]

You're not a community.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's been these days so long. But I remember that's like, that's the closest I've ever been to BJ Novak. But I definitely asked, like, I definitely was drunk and asked, like, too many, too many questions. It was certainly. Right.

[Fran]

You, like, started to make me, like, you should start talking about the office.

[Noah]

Literally the most definitely thing as like, a brother.

[Kelly Keegs]

I think I asked that too. I think I said, is it annoying that I'm asking about you? Like, I feel like I have hazy memories of that as well. I think the answer was yes, definitely is.

[Fran]

And there's like, yeah, no, literally, I love to talk about anything else.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah. Yeah, literally. Talk about again in this loud ass. This loud ass dive bar.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Noah]

He probably called up bj, like, yeah. And she just.

[Kelly Keegs]

Drunk ass girl.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Oh, my God. So, so long ago regardless, though. So no double dates for. For me and.

[Fran]

No. But good for them. Good for them with this pairing, you know?

[Noah]

Mm.

[Fran]

Hope you're having fun.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah. Have a good time.

[Fran]

Hope you're having fun.

[Kelly Keegs]

You know what? I would like to come out of this, Fran. At the very least, if they're not dating or maybe they are, whatever. I would love them to, like, write a series together sort of something. Yeah, I would love them to collab on something.

[Fran]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Kelly Keegs]

That would be unfair.

[Fran]

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[Kelly Keegs]

They have perfect songs too.

[Fran]

Oh, it opens. It's Belly and Jeremiah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Daylight, Whole thing absolutely cupcaking around. Oh, God.

[Fran]

They're just, you know, whatever.

[Kelly Keegs]

Greek letters.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

What's that all about?

[Fran]

And then it just. And then it cuts and it goes to Conrad. Maybe. Look, must be around maybe Christmas break.

[Kelly Keegs]

He's got candy cane in his candy cane she's sweater. It looks snowy out.

[Fran]

Literally all it takes is one word. And then it cuts to loving him as red. Just.

[Kelly Keegs]

And I can't wait.

[Fran]

I saw a lot of people kind of upset that they use Daylight for Jeremiah. But at the same time, I think it does make sense and I think it makes sense in the. In also the scale of just using a song from Lover in general.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes.

[Fran]

Because, you know, lovers of relationship. Clearly Taylor thought that that was gonna work out and then it didn't.

[Kelly Keegs]

Well. So Fran, if you. If everybody wants a very in depth conversation about this, listen to Taylor.

[Fran]

I was gonna say we can touch on this on a very sustainable scale and the deep dive can be with.

[Kelly Keegs]

But I'll say with. With Daylight being used because it really is all about the songs. They always use Taylor Swift songs in this show. It's whether it's in. In the episodes or in the trailer. Taylor is heavily like her music is always in the show year or every season that is coming out. People get excited what songs we're going to use. Whatever. Daylight, obviously on the Lover album, there's when Tortured Poets department was coming out last year. I forget. Or if people remember, she was creating playlists of her old music all under different labels. And there was one called like Denial, one called like, you know, Acceptance. And most of the Lover album songs were in denial. So when. So Jenny Han posted. Somebody posted like Jenny Han. So diabolical. For using daylight with Jeremiah. And she reposted it because it was like, yeah, that's the point. Like we're using it. So that's a little swifty inside baseball.

[Fran]

I love it, but I think perfect choice.

[Kelly Keegs]

Genius. Like, absolutely genius. And that song is so beautiful. Whether you, whether you're in love or not, that song is beautiful.

[Fran]

Absolutely. Absolutely. And I just. It takes two seconds. I just really cannot understand anybody. That would be team Jeremiah. I just don't, I just don't get it.

[Kelly Keegs]

I grow up, I dabble. No, no, he's just so cute. The problem is, like the actor who plays Jeremiah.

[Fran]

Oh, well, he is adorable. That is huge.

[Kelly Keegs]

And he's so charming that I, I am sold. But I know he's. I know he's bad. I know he's bad.

[Fran]

I watched that whole teaser and like all those scenes with Jeremiah are, of course, yes, they are adorable. They are very, very cute. But all it takes is that one turn from comrade. You know, she's, she's, she's gone. She's done.

[Kelly Keegs]

She's done. She's done.

[Fran]

She doesn't stand a chance. We all don't stand a chance. I actually was cracking up because I saw a TikTok from Madeline White and she. And it was on like her like other accounts and she was like, I'll never forget how years ago Amazon, you know, is at an event or party for Amazon or something. Trip. I think it was maybe a trip for Amazon.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And they were like, oh, we're going to show you part of this like new show we have coming out. And her, me and that was like, oh, like, I won't watch this. Like, this is clearly like for a younger grade. And she's like. And the way my body like reacts now when I see anything that has to do with this show.

[Kelly Keegs]

Exactly.

[Fran]

But it's just so true.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's such a good show. We were, we were talking about it too, that like season one was, was good, fun, captivating, whatever. Season two was like award winning television. Like, it was just, it was so.

[Fran]

I actually think a lot of people disagree with you.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Really?

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Oh, wow.

[Fran]

A lot of people. I actually think maybe Rhea, I feel like real at the first season got.

[Kelly Keegs]

Like the glow up and it also more. The more like serious tones.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

It felt more like a TV show than just like a young adult show that I'm watching. Maybe that's, that's more what I think.

[Fran]

Fair.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes. And so I'm very excited for season three because I do think that there We've established this. This trying to think the right word expectation that it's. There will be heavy topics, there will be messy moments, there's gonna. It's going to be real. It's. It's. Yes, there's the romance aspect of it. There's the turning around, the dramatic red. Conrad, whatever. But I also think, like, ultimately it's going to be a greater message into like, what do you actually. Love versus lust versus being distracted or love bombed or whatever. And I think that, you know Jeremiah. Well, those who read the book. I didn't read the books. And. And now I. It's too late because I don't want to get it spoiled.

[Fran]

Yeah, right.

[Kelly Keegs]

But so I know people know, like, things that happen.

[Fran]

Well, that's the thing that's like when you watch. When you watch a show that's in this format of like the books and you got the three seasons and this is it, and then it's coming to an end and you're just like. Like, it's so much anticipation that the satisfaction is like the most euphoric feeling down your spine. Of course. Yes, it's happening.

[Kelly Keegs]

I know that, like, I know how I'll feel because I could. The signs are there in season two about Jeremiah. Like, yeah, of course it's. You would. When they introduced that idea of her going and like, being with him and whatever, I was like, oh, my God, has he been the one all along?

[Fran]

Right, right. Well, yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Comrades been, you know, dragging her along and whatever. But then you see those little moments, like I said, the love bombing, the. The, like the.

[Fran]

There's a little bit maturity and Conrad, of course. Conrad has a lot to go through as well.

[Kelly Keegs]

Exactly. But so it's so. It's a whole brother element. Yeah. You know, just so, so excited. Although it's good that it's ending because how many times could you back. Bounce back and forth between.

[Fran]

No, you can.

[Kelly Keegs]

You can't. Yeah. It's like you get one.

[Fran]

You get one. Bounce back.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, one. But it's already kind of.

[Fran]

It's already kind of twice.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's. Right, right. It's already gone. Yeah, it's like, it's. Yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

So it's already gone, you know, because it depends on beaches and how you. But I literally like, re. And I talked about it and. Because, you know, Jenny had an interview and said that certain things people may be surprised by or whatever. And I was like, if she changes the way that this all ends, I.

[Kelly Keegs]

Will be like, that'd be nice.

[Fran]

It would be nuts. It would be nuts.

[Kelly Keegs]

I don't think she would. I don't think she, like, I think she's been pretty pure to the plot a lot so far as far as people can. People say.

[Fran]

And honestly, like, she has. Very impressive. Kelly, I will say that you haven't, like, gotten it spoiled.

[Kelly Keegs]

And so I. I know. And I really. I've avoided it like the plague. I don't look up anything about the show because when I saw season one, everyone said, there's books. You got to read the books. I said, oh, yeah, I'll get to it. And I kind of forgot.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

And then season two came around, and I was just so enamored, and I was like, well, at this point, I would like to see what's happening here. I don't want it spoiled. I don't want to. You know, if I read the books, it'll be different, and I'll. I'll start getting critical. That's another thing, too. It's like, I get way more critical of shows and movies when I've already read the book, obviously.

[Fran]

Completely. I think that's just par for the course part of it. Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

And I just. I love it so much that I don't ever want there to be a level of disappointment. And this is how I watched normal people. I watched normal people the show first, and then I went back and read the book, and it was 10 times. The book was 10 times better than the show, but it made me, like, I flew through it and I still loved the show, and then I watched it back again and still thought it was really good and whatever. But if I had read the book first, I don't think I would have liked it as much.

[Fran]

And there's a fun element that when. After you watch it, when you read it, you, like, picture the people from the show as you're so. It's like almost just watching in, like, in your mind.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Getting to watch a whole nother show completely with the same.

[Kelly Keegs]

And I'm perfectly fine with, you know, and I don't have any. Any casting bias.

[Fran]

Like, yeah, right.

[Kelly Keegs]

I'll be fine going back and reading it and picturing all these people. You know what I mean? Like, however they're described, I'm sure is how it is. You know, I just. Just. But wow, what a show. And I. I'm really pushing it on people lately, too. I'm so excited. July 16, couldn't.

[Fran]

I really can't come past it up this. Now that we have the date of July 16, I'm like, selfishly, I Don't want to rush to summer because I love summer. But like, get me to July 16th. Get me to July 16th.

[Kelly Keegs]

Whatever. Anyway, July is where it's at.

[Fran]

Seriously. Okay, so there are. There was a rumor last week that Sophie Turner and her boyfriend Peregrine.

[Kelly Keegs]

Peregrine.

[Fran]

Peregrine. Had some.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Peregrine.

[Fran]

We had broken up a little bit. Yeah. Right.

[Noah]

Sounds like a Harry Potter character.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, yeah, it totally does. Well, there's a. There's a. The movie. It's like Ms. Peregrine's school for Curious Children or something. I think that's what it's called.

[Fran]

So People Mag posted this last week. They said the 29 year actress sparked split rumors as fans notice she unfollowed Pearson on Instagram. The duo has been dating for nearly two years. While there are still several photos of him on her Instagram profile, the most recent is a January post and he's no longer tagged in any of them. His birthday post from October is still on her feed as well, but his tag has been removed. Turner is also posted several cryptic posts on her script stories lately, most of which have alluded to change. I know there was some discourse between the Jonas girlies.

[Kelly Keegs]

Oh yeah? How are the Jonas? What are the Jonas?

[Fran]

Well, there was something like a couple weeks ago where she posted on her story, like album dropping soon or something and she was like guzzling a bottle of Sophie posted and everyone was like, Joe did just announces solo album dates coming out, you know. But then like the Sophie, like Sophie people were like, no, she like her best friend has a new album that's out. Or so I, you know, there's a lot of. There was a lot of discourse around it. I don't really know which one. Although I love Sophie Turner. So I just like, I. It. It really breaks my heart. I feel like a child of divorce and I want them to figure it out. And I've. Because I am on the Jonas curly side of Tick Tock where there is so much of like not on Joe's side and much more. Sophie's in that split and everything and, and. But because of what? Because of what? I see.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

I see like the Jones fans being like, okay, sorry. Like, I know it didn't work out, but if I was Sophie and I heard this song that Joe just put out, like, I'm calling him, calling him up.

[Kelly Keegs]

I'm calling him up. That was.

[Fran]

Have you listened to this news?

[Kelly Keegs]

No, I haven't listened.

[Fran]

Oh my God. Let me just read the lyrics.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Okay?

[Kelly Keegs]

Read me the lyrics.

[Fran]

Let me Just read you the lyrics.

[Kelly Keegs]

While, While you put the lyrics up. I want to ask you a question.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Do you think that they are too far gone or can they come back and work it out like they were? So they were just really trashing each other. Like all of the, like out the dinner with Taylor Swift. None of them posting Mr. Perfectly Fine.

[Fran]

None of them really said anything.

[Kelly Keegs]

True, true.

[Fran]

Like, directly. I feel like it would have gone. Yes. It definitely got messy in the press.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah. With the kids. The stuff with the kids.

[Fran]

100 that got messed up.

[Kelly Keegs]

Whose fault is that?

[Fran]

I think, like. And everyone online felt that it was like Joe's team that was paint. Trying to paint Sophie as like a bad mom. And there's all these things which I, I, I, I, I do not know. I do not know. I wish I knew.

[Kelly Keegs]

Once again.

[Fran]

You know, I love them all both so much. I would never want to throw any speculation on. On. On either side, really. Now that's just a selfish thing and that's big of you because I love them.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah. And that's fine.

[Fran]

Okay. If I could sing, I'd sing it. But I'll just read them out loud like, this is a long piece of poetry I love.

[Kelly Keegs]

Perfect. Perfect. Let me get right. Mindset.

[Fran]

I've been working hard till the middle of the night. Losing sleep and catching flights. Haven't I, darling? Haven't I, darling? You've been out most nights trying to get a little peace. Even if it ain't with me. Haven't you, darling? That's all right, darling. Well, if you don't. If he don't ever light your spark. Remember I know your heart by heart. Just remember I will always remember. Remember I will always remember. That's repeated again. Verse 2. You and I have been down all these avenues before. Keep on going back and forth. Haven't we, baby? Oh, my baby. There's a long road left and a long time to live. You've got the sweetest loving to give. I know. Cause I've tasted. I'd hate you to waste it. So if you ever don't light your spark. Remember I know your heart by heart. Bridge holding you tight in the back of your car. Know that we tried but we didn't get far. I'm sorry, so sorry. Well, you gotta leave town. You gotta live your life, baby. Don't forget you can call me Anytime you're lonely, so lonely. Anytime you're lonely, so lonely. Well, I know our flame's still bigger than the night. Because you'll always be on my mind. Oh, Won't you, darling?

[Kelly Keegs]

Look at my legs. Look at my chills. Okay, well, it sounds like the door is very much still open.

[Noah]

How do you know that's not about another ex girl?

[Kelly Keegs]

I mean, look, you're right in my brain.

[Fran]

It certainly could someone else, but that'll be wild.

[Kelly Keegs]

I'm upset with Joe if that song is about someone else. I'm upset with Joe.

[Fran]

I mean, this is his first album coming out of a marriage. It's definitely about. Has to be about.

[Kelly Keegs]

Has to be about her. And the door is open and it's.

[Fran]

I think it's like, totally about her.

[Kelly Keegs]

Come home, babe.

[Noah]

Wait, so he's not dating anyone?

[Fran]

I think one of he has currently single right now.

[Kelly Keegs]

He was casually sitter for a second.

[Fran]

He was casually dating. There was a model in the mix. There was. I forget what her name was about her. Yeah, no, I think I was.

[Kelly Keegs]

Sorry.

[Fran]

You don't. You don't write these lyrics about someone you dated for like six months.

[Kelly Keegs]

No, you don't.

[Fran]

Sorry. You just don't. Wow. And I will say there were like, there were some rumors that, like, you know, Sophie was. That Sophie was out a lot and there's. But like.

[Kelly Keegs]

Well, right there. Exactly.

[Fran]

That's why they try to say, oh, bad.

[Kelly Keegs]

I'm sorry. Not.

[Fran]

Which.

[Kelly Keegs]

Totally a lot of I'm sorry.

[Fran]

Sorrys.

[Kelly Keegs]

Wow. Yes. Okay.

[Fran]

If my.

[Kelly Keegs]

If my.

[Fran]

Yep.

[Kelly Keegs]

Baby daddy is writing a song saying, if he doesn't light your spark.

[Fran]

Yeah, I always will.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, I know your heart by heart. Then I'm gonna call him up. Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna think. I'm gonna have a glass of wine and I'm gonna say, well, he's hearing from me.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

And then I'm having a phone conversation. It's just a very. It's a very sweet song. It's a very sweet song, and I very much look forward to listening to it with my. It is because.

[Fran]

Wow.

[Kelly Keegs]

The lyrics are beautiful.

[Fran]

They are. And the song's great, but I know, I know. Which is why it's like. Which is why, like, Tick Tock is such a crazy place. Like I said, the jar scrolls are like, oh, my God. If I heard this song, like, calling Job immediately. I look at the comments are like, don't forget that he painted her as a bad mom. And I'm like, he did do that.

[Kelly Keegs]

He did do that. We don't know who. That's okay. We don't know anything. We don't know if any of that's true.

[Fran]

I know. I know.

[Kelly Keegs]

I Know, so funny. Wow.

[Fran]

Okay. Like, heart kills me. I knew because he had. Wait, so this, this teasing, this song. Okay, so there's been little pieces of it out, but then, like, hearing the whole thing. Oof.

[Kelly Keegs]

So, but, but here's the thing.

[Fran]

So if you just so happened to unfollow this boyfriend, like, that's what I'm saying.

[Kelly Keegs]

Like, so she.

[Fran]

Two days before this song came out.

[Kelly Keegs]

The breakup is happening. The song is about to come out. Obviously she heard the song in advance. Are we gonna pretend like Sophie didn't hear the song?

[Fran]

Who knows?

[Kelly Keegs]

He is her baby daddy.

[Fran]

They talk.

[Kelly Keegs]

They talk all the time. I'm sure. Yeah, I would, I would, I would stake a lot on the fact that she had already heard that song and it's been rattling around her brain and the song comes out all of a sudden. Unfollow. Untag. Peregrine who?

[Noah]

Yeah, you heard that. You think they're on the, the level of, like, oh, he listened to this new song.

[Kelly Keegs]

You don't think that Joe Jonas is saying, hey, hey. So I know we've been through a lot. I just wanna. Yeah, I just want to give you a warning about.

[Noah]

I think maybe, like, this song isn't.

[Fran]

About you or, or the album has been done for a while. And I know he said that he had been tweaking it a little in the last couple months when he delayed. Yeah, the release. I almost think it's like you send the whole, like, you send the whole thing in like an email.

[Kelly Keegs]

Definitely.

[Fran]

And hey, here's the zip file.

[Kelly Keegs]

That's just also respectful. That's a respectful thing. Even if there wasn't that sweet song about Sophie in the album. If he is, you're reading at all about his experience. Yeah. And again, I mean, the whole album is called for.

[Fran]

For people who believe in love.

[Kelly Keegs]

Exactly. It would be, it would be naive to think that they don't speak on a regular basis. I think.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

You know?

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

What do you think, Noah?

[Noah]

No, I, I, I, I could see that because they have kids. That's the only reason for sure.

[Kelly Keegs]

Only reason. Why, yes, if they didn't have kids, I would. Maybe they should be like, that might not be. But yeah, that might be about somebody else.

[Fran]

No, I think that's fair. I think that's fair. And we don't have to dwell on it longer than this, but because, like.

[Noah]

I just hear music that. Inspired by people. To the people. No, before it comes out.

[Kelly Keegs]

Unless they have. Unless they're on good terms.

[Fran]

But they're not married.

[Noah]

I don't even think it's a married. I think it's a kid. I think kids is the only reason.

[Fran]

I think marriage is a whole nother level marriage.

[Noah]

Like, what?

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, but if you're about to drag somebody, but if you're like, you gotta give him a heads up, you know, be like, hey, your husband. This is my heart. This is my.

[Noah]

Taylor would. If she. If she got divorced and then wrote an album like, like she's gonna send it probably legally.

[Kelly Keegs]

You might have like, it might be like one of those things.

[Fran]

I don't know.

[Kelly Keegs]

Or it might be like a. It might be like my publicist tells your publicist kind of thing if it was a divorce, no kids. But with the kids, I just, I just can't imagine a world where they're not at least sending photos back and forth. Every divorce couple I know that has kids still texts photos of the kids back and forth.

[Fran]

Right? Or they're like, has to be something. I mean, unless it's really that sour that they communicate like through their assistants.

[Kelly Keegs]

I just, I just. Don't you write a song like that if you're that sour either.

[Fran]

I know. If you do, I don't think you're.

[Kelly Keegs]

I'm rooting for love.

[Fran]

Same like. Sorry, I.

[Kelly Keegs]

Although, how do you come back from going out to dinner with Taylor Swift and like, about Joe for. And she lived with her for a while, remember? But maybe.

[Fran]

I almost think maybe Joe would be like happy for.

[Kelly Keegs]

True.

[Fran]

That situation.

[Kelly Keegs]

Right? Like, thankfully, there's someone who has my back.

[Fran]

We're gonna be like Godfrey.

[Kelly Keegs]

Now I send their baby's presents. No, true. Now I send their baby's presents like she obviously does Taylor does to have a relationship with Joe as well. So I'm sure that, that I think we can run it back. I think we can do it.

[Fran]

I think.

[Kelly Keegs]

Get him back.

[Fran]

Let me say get him back. I. I think there is. I think there's room.

[Kelly Keegs]

I think there's room.

[Fran]

I think there's.

[Kelly Keegs]

I think there's room for a discussion.

[Fran]

I think there is room for at least a conversation. And who knows what happened when the. When the whole album comes out with how everyone feels. But the song is beautiful.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes.

[Fran]

Okay. My God, this is gonna be a three hour episode.

[Kelly Keegs]

Buckle up, everybody. It always is.

[Fran]

Every time. Oh, Kelly will come out. It'd be so easy. It's like, no, we'll talk for nine hours.

[Kelly Keegs]

Okay.

[Fran]

Travis Kelce allegedly unfollows Ryan Reynolds. This is my thing with the whole unfollow follow headlines that always come out who can prove that he was following him already?

[Kelly Keegs]

Great question, Fran. And also, why are we still paying attention to who's following and unfollowing who?

[Fran]

Right?

[Kelly Keegs]

I don't care. I don't care about.

[Fran]

Literally just the whole last story was about Sophie Turner unfollowing her boyfriend.

[Kelly Keegs]

Wait, what was the context of what we just.

[Fran]

What we quite learned. Just talked about everybody. So everybody structure that whole last topic about.

[Kelly Keegs]

No, but there was. There was more to that. There was the untagged photos. And yeah, that is more damning.

[Fran]

And this is a boyfriend too. And also, if someone's blocked, it automatically untags them.

[Kelly Keegs]

Exactly. So that's. That's also very different. Like there. No, no, I agree about that.

[Fran]

Right. And this is like a friendship level.

[Kelly Keegs]

Friendship unfollows.

[Fran]

Right, right.

[Kelly Keegs]

Okay.

[Fran]

Like how close were Travis and Ryan Reynolds in the first place?

[Kelly Keegs]

They're only friends. Runs through Taylor, through Blake. You know what I'm saying? So it's like it's basically two degrees of separation. However, I just can't. I can't find a care in the world to go back and forth on thinking of whether or not Travis Kelsey is sitting in his house and thinking, huh, I'm gonna. I'm gonna unfollow Ryan and that'll really send him a message.

[Fran]

Yeah, right.

[Kelly Keegs]

And then it spark a media storm. If I know anything about Travis Kelsey, Taylor Swift, Ryan Reynolds, Blake Lively is that they don't. They don't need or want a media storm. They are in enough as it is. And Fran, I'm gonna tell you something right now. You know what?

[Fran]

This smells like Travis is pretty pissed about this.

[Kelly Keegs]

And I said this exact same thing on Taylor Watch. To me, this smells like Justin Baldoni pr. I'm not even kidding. Because if Travis is unfollowing Ryan, then it sparks up the conversation again of Blake and Taylor aren't friends anymore. Travis has Taylor's back.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Because they're bad people.

[Fran]

Rumor Taylor is gonna be Sabrina.

[Kelly Keegs]

Just so happens. Right? She's being scared. Just so happens that they're at the time gala two days ago. All of a sudden Travis is unfollowing them. It's headline news. Get them.

[Fran]

Right, right, right, right.

[Kelly Keegs]

Wonderful speech that Blake gave on behalf of her mother who was at the time gala and which, you know, had.

[Fran]

A lot of mixed reviews.

[Kelly Keegs]

It had a lot of. A lot of mixed reactions. And. But then the hate she's already getting on non stop for one thing or another. It's. It's enough at this point.

[Fran]

I Will say I actually really got angry. I saw a Page Six article that was like. Like, fans tear apart Blake Lively for her outfit for the. A simple favor. And it was literally just because, like.

[Kelly Keegs]

Her body makeup from her arm, like, a little bit on her chest.

[Fran]

Like, her arm. Like the dress, like, a little tight under her armpits. And they were, like, saying that she, like, looked gross because it was like, her arm, which fat. Which I was like, okay, this is. Come on, people.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's ridiculous.

[Fran]

That's insane.

[Kelly Keegs]

I saw a couple days before when the Mirror was happening, the comments were flooded with positivity at first. So that's what I'm saying. Like, there's. I just. I don't trust boss. I don't trust the comments.

[Fran]

Right.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's just coming.

[Fran]

Yeah. Like, ebbs and flows. For sure. No. And that was something that was really interesting. And I do wonder if. I do wonder if I know, like, Travis and Jason are kind of doing their own schedule when it comes to new heights in the offseason. It's like some weeks they do an episode. Sometimes maybe they skip. I'm curious to see if this would be something that they would address, because sometimes they do.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Like. Like bogus headlines. They'll be like, that's bogus.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes.

[Fran]

So I wonder if he would.

[Kelly Keegs]

I wonder that too. The only.

[Fran]

Be interesting.

[Kelly Keegs]

The only reason I would think maybe no. Is because then it opens up the conversation even more about your friendship and whatever. But. But people, right, Wrote, like, last week being like, Blake and Taylor are fine. Which again, everyone knows that. Like. Yeah, we don't know anything that's going on in these people's lives. For real.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

We only know what we've seen headlines about. And it's a lot of.

[Charlotte Triggs]

I think.

[Kelly Keegs]

And it's. It's just if your friend is going through some shit, you're not just, like, abandoning your friend and Taylor, the godmother.

[Fran]

Of three of her children.

[Kelly Keegs]

Exactly. And then. Yeah, yeah. Which.

[Fran]

We had a long debate about this.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes, I heard about the debate. I said, read that debate. I said that it would have to be all or nothing. Because I think, like, you can't have one kid have Taylor Swift and then the others not.

[Fran]

That's what I said. Except their son doesn't have it. But it's like all the girls get Taylor Swift.

[Kelly Keegs]

Swift, sure. That's fine. I think that's lovely. Who cares?

[Noah]

That son loves Taylor Swift.

[Fran]

Well, the sun gets Hugh Jackman that night.

[Noah]

That's such a fall off.

[Fran]

Oh, my God. So not actually I don't know if I'm Hugh Jackman.

[Kelly Keegs]

I don't know if I'm here for the Hugh slander.

[Fran]

Yeah, he's more available to be.

[Kelly Keegs]

Well, I want you and Taylor. You can have both. We can have both.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Why are we limiting ourselves?

[Fran]

Right? No, for sure, for sure.

[Kelly Keegs]

Regardless, anyway, no, I don't think that their friendship is in jeopardy. I'm sure the, the subpoena stuff, the justice stuff, all that, whatever, I'm sure has caused drama in the relationship, positive or negative, whatever is going on. Again, we know nothing going on behind closed doors. However, I think that the onslaught towards them still is exhausting. And I think this is just another added to the list of things to make the. The lively Reynolds family look bad. We're going to make up some like Travis unfollowed Ryan and it's going to stem into this about them. Like, that's, that's how I've seen it proposed. You know what I mean? It's not like, like it's like Travis unfollows Ryan amidst Blake and Taylor friendship drama.

[Fran]

Right?

[Kelly Keegs]

Like, it's not like, right. Travis and Ryan have beef. You know what I'm saying? Like, it all stems to that. It's the only reason why it's making headlines because people click it because they're like, oh, it's because of the Blake and Justin stuff. And I'm like, I just don't believe that. And I said on Taylor Watch, like, if one day it all comes out that, yeah, he did unfollow him because they're shitty people and bad friends and they did all this up and whatever, fine, I'll take it all back. I just, in my guts, I just don't believe it. I don't believe it.

[Fran]

To play devil's advocate, wouldn't it be such an easy save and like, cause so much, wouldn't it really ease all the headache if Travis just hit him.

[Kelly Keegs]

With that follow 100. Would love for that to happen right now.

[Fran]

And it's like, like, if, like he.

[Kelly Keegs]

Was like, talk about it.

[Fran]

Oh, like, whoops.

[Kelly Keegs]

Didn't mean.

[Fran]

Maybe I didn't even follow him to begin with, but I should be following him. Follow.

[Kelly Keegs]

That'd be amazing. Would love it. Would love that. Really, Fran, What I want is for like the headlines to shut the up.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

I just, I feel like I just see. That's fair.

[Fran]

That's fair.

[Kelly Keegs]

I see so many and it's not like, you know, I'll see you. You see a graphic, you see a conversation, you see A tweet, whatever. It's the amount of publications that then write a whole ass blog about it.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Hubs asked me yesterday. He was like, are you gonna talk about that? And I said, no, I won't. I won't do it. I will not do it. I won't put someone else can take it for parcelsports.com. i'm not going to add to the flurry of. Of headlines we already have.

[Fran]

Right, right, right.

[Kelly Keegs]

Travis unfollowed Ryan Reynolds. I'm like, I already think it's fake. I'm not gonna then write a blog about it.

[Noah]

It's hilarious to think that he would do that without Taylor knowing. Like, that would be the dumbest thing of all time.

[Kelly Keegs]

Agreed. Right. Exactly. It's like, it was.

[Fran]

I really feel like we could be.

[Kelly Keegs]

The one follow Ryan. Yeah.

[Noah]

Why would you do that?

[Fran]

Right? Or like, we could really be in a world where. Where he's like, I, Ryan, great guy. I must not have ever followed him.

[Kelly Keegs]

Exactly. You know, also, this is Instagram. These people live in the real world as well.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

I feel like people have such a. They think Instagram is the center of the universe and it really is not for these people.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Instagram is not the center of Ryan Reynolds world.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Or Travis Hels world. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

No, very true, Very true. Okay.

[Noah]

Are any of those people going to the Met gala? Do you know?

[Fran]

Blake and Ryan are not going this year.

[Kelly Keegs]

I think she said. She said she's not going. Taylor and Travis, no word. But I'm.

[Noah]

There's always no word on her.

[Kelly Keegs]

Last year we were thinking.

[Fran]

No, just last year was.

[Kelly Keegs]

Anything. She wasn't there last year. No.

[Noah]

They had reported like, the week of that she was going for a second.

[Kelly Keegs]

And then they were like, oh, it was another. That's another. It's.

[Fran]

I think it's a no.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's clickbait. I think it's no too, because she hasn't done a. She's been seen since the Grammys.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

And I mean, the Met Gala could be it. It would also then be like their first public red carpet together. So that would be a huge deal. And I just don't think that it doesn't seem like it's trending that way.

[Fran]

Yeah, it'd be cool. Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

But I don't get my hopes. Yep, yep, yep.

[Fran]

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[Noah]

I think Dave and they were saying, like, it seemed like he didn't know those were public.

[Fran]

Right, right, right. Dave was saying, he was like, wait, you've seen those pictures? Like, how have you seen them? Yeah, like, not knowing they were on social media, but, like, I'm sorry. I know Bill is an older guy, but he is surrounded by younger people. Where it's not like, anybody wouldn't say, like, are they that afraid to say something to him? Like, Bill has children that are grown adults.

[Kelly Keegs]

He also. He's also not like, off. Like. Yes. He's not on an Instagram or whatever. Yeah.

[Fran]

I don't think he's scrolling social media.

[Kelly Keegs]

Pulling the wool over his eyes and, like, taking advantage of him as an old man. That's. That's what people are saying.

[Fran]

I know. I saw that. I saw.

[Noah]

Like, that.

[Kelly Keegs]

So. Well, okay, so wait. Finish the recap, because I have thoughts.

[Fran]

But what way, though? Because truly, like, I mean, unless he's. Unless they're afraid of her or afraid of him or they don't want to stir the pot or whatever, or maybe they don't have a good relationship right now. I don't know. I always thought that it was fine, but maybe since he started dating this younger girl, maybe things are on the rocks.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Fran]

I just can't imagine that his daughter wouldn't call him to be like, dad, like.

[Kelly Keegs]

Like, what's going on here? What.

[Fran]

What is Jordan posting on Instagram or, like, something. You know, I don't know. I don't know.

[Kelly Keegs]

It could be that. Here's what I'll say. I will say this in. In Jordan's defense, actually, which is not somebody I thought I'd be defending.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

But from what we've seen of her is that she is. She essentially works for Bill Belichick. Like, she's basically his personal assistant.

[Fran]

Slash, she's running, like, Bill Belgic Enterprises now, apparently, is. Like, she's doing all. She's on the personal business stuff.

[Kelly Keegs]

She's on the. She literally is. But she. And she's helping him with, like, there was that. That clip of her. Them at unc and she's got her outfit on. She's going back and forth with the mics. They're filming, like, a documentary of him or they're filming something of him. And she's trying to make sure that his audio is good. Like, it's. She's doing a lot of things that I think that he just doesn't have the time or capacity to do or care about.

[Fran]

Right.

[Kelly Keegs]

And he doesn't trust a lot of people, I'm sure.

[Fran]

Literally. Sorry.

[Kelly Keegs]

Hire an assistant.

[Fran]

Hire.

[Kelly Keegs]

I just get an assistant.

[Fran]

That doesn't mean you have to.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes.

[Fran]

Date your assistant.

[Kelly Keegs]

I totally agree. And I. The dating part of it all, I'm not quite sure what that all is.

[Fran]

No.

[Kelly Keegs]

But I also think that. I think that she's. She's carving out a space for herself in his life, and I think we're just never.

[Fran]

For herself or for herself, period.

[Kelly Keegs]

Right. Which is probably more likely. But in the interview situation, I do think the way that that interviewer was asking Bill these questions was almost like he was making fun of him to his face. Face. And I felt that tone from that interviewer think, yes. And when, when Jordan stepped in and said, we're not talking about this. Like, he was almost talking to him being like, bill, these Instagram pictures or.

[Noah]

No, but she only said that when he asked about how they met.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, but that was, but that was after he had asked. I think he asked about Instagram.

[Fran]

Yes.

[Kelly Keegs]

And then he asked about. Right. So she was, let me tell you guys, we're talking about football, we're not talking about this. So I kind of understood her being like, this is an interview of Bill.

[Noah]

And his life and his career for himself.

[Kelly Keegs]

True, he can. But I, but that's where I'm wondering.

[Fran]

Like, that's why people think it's fucking elder abuse. They're like, right? Big guy was like, is this like.

[Noah]

A service continuing to like that question.

[Kelly Keegs]

See of Alzheimer's or something? Like stepping in and like taking it, Taking over? No, for some reason, I just don't think. I just don't think it. I don't know why I don't think it. But normally I would. In this, in this.

[Fran]

Because the report is that the, this interview was a disaster. You know that they spliced that up big time. So the order that we didn't watch in probably isn't what had happened. And TMZ reported that like it was. She walked off multiple times.

[Noah]

I saw that. She wanted him to like walk off with her.

[Fran]

Yes, like, I saw that. So the headline was that she was a nightmare during the interview to the point where she stormed out of the room and delayed shooting for 30 minutes. Belichick agreed to do a sit down for CBS Mornings, promoted his new book, the Art of Winning, but it turned into an LPR wise, blah, blah, blah, we're told. Outside of that baffling moment that made the final edit, there were numerous other instances of Hudson butting in. Even when the legendary coach was answering questions about football, she would stop and correct him. Our sources say Belichick only arrived at the interview with Hudson. No one from his publishing company, unc, or any other rep was with him, which was bit of a head scratcher to CBS producers on set. At one point in the Q and A, Hudson got so heated, she stood up and walked out and wanted BB to follow. It's unclear if Coach agreed. It's unclear if Coach agreed. But the blow up delayed the whole interview for about a half hour. We're Told that once things calm down, the Tony who did the interview was spooked by the whole encounter, elected to wrap up things quickly and end the awkward experience. We're told the higher ups at CBS News and Sports had to get involved to figure out how to salvage it. And while a second interview was scheduled to go down a later time, it was ultimately scrapped. So it's, I gotta say it's bizarre.

[Kelly Keegs]

For sure, but showing up without anybody.

[Fran]

Else, like, she's running his life, every element of his business now his life, which like it's concerning is not, you know, church, state is church and state.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, church and state for sure. It's like I, I want to feel my, my, my experience in life tells me to be concerned about someone like this, but my gut.

[Fran]

Icky.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's icky for sure. It's. However you slice it, it's definitely icky for sure. But if you're thinking about it in the way of like she. Yes, she's working for him. Clearly she is going out of her way to make sure that he looks as good as possible in an interview like that. I could see her kind of getting like a, like, oh, look, I'm, I'm important. I'm this on that. And making sure that like everything he says and does can't be twisted. Like, say he's spitting out football facts and he says like, yeah, and we're at this game or whatever and she jumps in is like actually it was this. Yeah, that was probably how it is in his book. So that's like a regular publicist would probably do those things. Yeah, but because she's his girlfriend and she's there and clearly I'm positive that these people based on this whatever insider said she was a nightmare the whole time, I feel like they probably didn't like her or respect her when she showed up. Anyway. She already has this stink on her as quote, unquote, girlfriend, whatever. The. I think that they're. That she's a little big for her britches. And I also think that people don't respect her at all. And I think that she's kind of now just kind of lashing out a little bit about that. I think ultimately she's not trying to make Bill look bad or anything, but certainly she is now. She is, but now like single handedly.

[Noah]

Like she has everyone talking about this.

[Kelly Keegs]

For sure. Yeah.

[Fran]

And also sources, like.

[Kelly Keegs]

Right.

[Fran]

Sources were saying that she like the, the. That Unc did not like how this. All this whole interview went down. Like it's just jeopardizing his job. So I don't know. It's.

[Kelly Keegs]

But I don't know. I'm just. But I am curious really about, like, again, I don't, I don't, I don't approve or, you know, who cares if I approve? But it's more of like a. It's not something I would do. It's certainly not like something I'm. I'm thinking is normal or anything like that. But I do think that there's a little bit of blame on CBS on that guy Tony for how he was talking to Bill. Because I watched that clip and I said, he's patronizing Bill. I swear, I really feel it. Like, I felt like he was talking. I'm like, come on, Bill.

[Noah]

Fair, fair.

[Kelly Keegs]

But when his girlfriend's right in front of his face. Like, he was disrespecting Jordan to her face by way of Bill. And that to me is.

[Fran]

Yeah, but it's one way that you talk about those pictures and not a joke.

[Noah]

Okay.

[Fran]

Way.

[Noah]

Yeah, like, but he.

[Kelly Keegs]

You could say it in like a light hearted way.

[Fran]

Like, I think that's what he was trying to do.

[Kelly Keegs]

I don't know. It sounds like it felt like he was dripping.

[Fran]

Like, I don't know, you're like, hey, Bill, like, looks like you're really working on your yoga these days. Like, I don't know, like, there's no. I don't know. It's so ridiculous. Anyway, she posted a whole statement on Instagram. Well, she didn't post a statement.

[Kelly Keegs]

Okay, I missed this.

[Fran]

She said statement to come. Noah, can you actually check if she has posted a statement yet?

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, it's a great.

[Fran]

Because it hasn't. It may have dropped by now.

[Kelly Keegs]

I would love.

[Fran]

But she posted Instagram. She used. Look what she made me do.

[Kelly Keegs]

Obsessed with that. Listen, I don't dislike this girl unless it comes out that she's literally like, yeah, yeah, ruining.

[Noah]

It's spelled Jord, but the O in her is capitalized in Jordan.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's probably a zero.

[Noah]

The second.

[Fran]

Maybe it's a zero.

[Noah]

No, it's an O.

[Fran]

Like it's just a. Oh, maybe just to emphasize that her name is spelled with Jordan. Her name is J, O, R, D, O, N. Jordon. Yeah, that's how she spelled.

[Kelly Keegs]

I'm not seeing anything yet. Okay.

[Fran]

Nothing. Okay, so she. She posted a screenshot of an email from Build to like multiple people.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Fran]

From earlier this month talking about, you know, doing press for the book. It was a long email. Doing press for the book. And how all the news Outlets are taking an excerpt of like him quote talking about I fucked up about, you know, whatever topic. It was like him admitting to a mistake. Sure was in part of the book.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes.

[Fran]

And he's like, you know, we knew this, this is what was they were gonna focus on. And there's so many other parts of the book that we should be talking about and like really saying that like that's not what he wants to focus the book on and all these other things. And it really just seemed like he's gonna be doing press for this book. But they wanna steer it in one direction and keep it on more the positives and the negatives and have that be the plan for, you know, interviews.

[Kelly Keegs]

For the book, for the press.

[Fran]

They have certain things planned. Yes. And then the second slide is a screenshot of her camera roll of a 35 minute video that was recorded. You can't, you can't really see what the video is. It's just that it's 35 minutes.

[Kelly Keegs]

Uh huh. Obsessed with this.

[Fran]

And the caption was full statement to come later today.

[Kelly Keegs]

I can't fucking wait. Fran. Another thing that by the time people.

[Fran]

Are listening to this, you probably already have the full statement.

[Kelly Keegs]

Hopefully the statement is out and we have to know. But here's here, here's another thing I just thought of while you're talking about that, you know, if she's acting as his PR person in these scenarios or whatever, and especially if we're talking about how there needs to be a certain tone around or they would like there to be a certain tone around the book. They want to. It's, it's a, it's like a biography. Right? It's about.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, it's. Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

I think, or I would think that going into an interview like that, off the table are questions about the relationship. And maybe that is what like, maybe she was like, don't ask questions about us.

[Fran]

Look.

[Kelly Keegs]

And 105, you know, 15 minutes in a row of asking questions about Jordan and making fun of him. Like I really, really felt like that guy was making fun of building his.

[Noah]

Face like he fucking deserves. Like he's dating a fucking 20 year old.

[Fran]

It's crazy. Look how the mighty have fallen in his Patriots jersey, like his Patriots sweatshirt and everything.

[Noah]

I mean you can't like not acknowledge that.

[Fran]

No, I will say on the side of the interviewer, people should be made.

[Noah]

Fun of for things like this.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes.

[Fran]

On the side of the interviewer, 75.

[Noah]

Year olds dating 20 year olds.

[Fran]

He would get destroyed.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes.

[Fran]

If, if he did not Bring it up in any sense. And yes, there are some people that you can get away with, like, oh, they're coming in. They've asked politely if you don't talk about their relationship. Okay, fine. But when that person is in the room with you and the only person, and she's right there and clearly you guys are together and it's, it's a topic, like he has to, I think, at least attempt to ask.

[Kelly Keegs]

Sure.

[Fran]

Now it backfired obviously, and they did not like that and they don't want to talk about it. But you kind of, I don't know, Bill. Bill. That's just the type of person Bill is. Bill is a football guy. He is obviously a celebrity, but he would denounce that fact and would not acknowledge that at all. So in his mind, he's like, I wrote a book and I'm gonna talk about the book.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, he's like, he's not good for press, by the way.

[Fran]

No.

[Kelly Keegs]

Well, it sucks.

[Fran]

He doesn't want to talk about anything. I mean, even the questions about Robert Kraft was so uncomfortable. And that's a fair question, you know, like, it's a fair question.

[Kelly Keegs]

It completely is.

[Fran]

There's just certain things that he's gonna be asked.

[Kelly Keegs]

He's an awkward dude that he's like.

[Fran]

Wants to stay private. I don't want to talk about that. Okay, then you're gonna have some issues trying to do press for this book.

[Kelly Keegs]

And but that is, leads me to the ultimate question. Why is Bill out here doing press for this book? Book in person, like, right. He can't just. I think the Bill Belichick biography sells.

[Fran]

Just speaks for itself for sure.

[Kelly Keegs]

Who needs to. We don't need to see Bill in his, in his holy sweatshirt being him. Like again, it seems like they, she got him there, you know, got him out of bed, said, let's go, we gotta get this done. I promise. CBS Morning show. Don't worry, they're not gonna ask about our relationship. They just want to know about football in the book. And they sat down in the first 15 minutes of the whole thing was, well, Jordan's here with you. And what about these photos of you guys on the beach? And what about your relationship? A lot of speculation. And then you brought her to the, to the award show. It's just like, it's annoying. I'm sure if you're a 24 year old girl who just wants to make sure. Yeah, you're super famous. Of course. I mean, yes, I'm sure she, her whole life is paid for oh, oh, me a lot. A lot of money or direct deposit before I got here.

[Charlotte Triggs]

I.

[Kelly Keegs]

Listen, I'm sorry. I'm sure you wouldn't have expected me to have this take because normally I'm the first person to shit on an older man dating a younger girl. 100%. But I just feel bad for this girl now getting dragged for what I think is probably doing her job.

[Noah]

You have to also acknowledge that she's like, it's so public that they're together because of her.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Noah]

She's the one posting everything about them. So then when it's brought up, it's.

[Fran]

Like Bill really doesn't. Yeah, sorry. Like Bill can't be like, respect my private life. Well then tell your girlfriend not to post pictures of us, you guys on the beach, like making yourself public. Faith. I don't know, I, I'm just curious. I do understand a little bit where you come from, Kelly. I think that's fair.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Fran]

But at the same time we have to remember that this is an 80 year old.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes.

[Fran]

Dating a 24 year old. And I'm sorry, nothing is right about that.

[Kelly Keegs]

I agree with that completely.

[Fran]

I don't care.

[Kelly Keegs]

Something gross about the whole thing. But this specific instance.

[Fran]

100%. But you have to like, that's what I'm saying. If you're in that relationship.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Part of it is people are going to question you.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And you have to be okay with that.

[Kelly Keegs]

For sure.

[Fran]

Like, you can't play this like. I'm not talking about my relationship. No, sorry. You're dating somebody that's 80 years old. Like.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Fran]

What?

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, it's, it's a very strange situation. And again, I, I do not approve of, of. Yeah. Of an 80 year old man dating a 24 year old girl. I think that's insane. And I, but it's more of like, I think more of it's weird. More on her part than his. Obviously. Of course. An 80 year old man wants a hot young thing.

[Fran]

I don't know about that.

[Kelly Keegs]

But what is her. Well, it's perverted obviously for him, but for her it's you. You know, you start thinking about the. Oh well, he's got the money, he's got this, he's got that, the fame, whatever. What does she get out of the whole situation? But when I'm, I, I am wondering, is this like, yeah, maybe she's his girlfriend. But like what does that entail? They hang out, they. Have we ever seen them like kiss? Like Right, right. Not saying that that's not true. But Is she more working for him than his girlfriend? And it will. We eventually find that out one day. Which will also be weird. But again, I just, I don't know. The, the, the way that interviewer.

[Fran]

I'm not lifting my employee in the air on my feet in the beach.

[Kelly Keegs]

No, no, we're definitely not doing that. It's just. Yeah. I don't know. It just felt, it felt mean spirited from the interviewer. And I understand that you had. You're right. Completely. You has to be brought up. You have to be okay with it being brought up at least in the.

[Fran]

Just in the. Write a very scripted answer, right. And move on and just like, you're not gonna get away with no comment.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Just be like, yeah, we've been dating. It's been going great. That's all I have to say about it.

[Kelly Keegs]

I wonder, I wonder if in Jordan's 35 minute video that she's going to reveal to all of us if maybe they asked several questions about their relationship that were all fine and then like kept asking and then she was like, enough's enough, you know, I don't know. I just, I want to hear both sides. I want to hear both sides. But yes, I think everyone can agree that a 24 year old and 80 year old should not be dating.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

That is a weird. Really? It's weird as.

[Fran]

No, it's.

[Kelly Keegs]

She can work for him for sure. She comes out tomorrow and says, I was never actually his girlfriend. I've been working for him the whole time. I'd be like, cool.

[Fran]

It just gives me a whole other like, weird feeling. Is. It's not, it's not like he is trying to word this the right way. He has, he's lucid children and grandchildren and, and grandchildren.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah. He has family. He has a family. Yes.

[Fran]

He's not this like lonely. No old man that doesn't have anybody around.

[Kelly Keegs]

Linda.

[Fran]

I don't know what's. What we were talking about.

[Kelly Keegs]

I miss her.

[Fran]

I know.

[Kelly Keegs]

What the hell?

[Fran]

What the hell happened there?

[Kelly Keegs]

Where. What happened there? Right?

[Charlotte Triggs]

Really?

[Kelly Keegs]

What happened?

[Fran]

I broke up. I don't know.

[Kelly Keegs]

He might just be so like, what if Bill Belichick's just an. Like, what if he's super.

[Fran]

I mean, well, what if the Belichick is just an even to.

[Kelly Keegs]

Even to like Linda or, or Jordan or his family or like, what if. What if like not only as a coach but in life, like looking at.

[Noah]

This picture like from the end of the.

[Fran]

She's dressed as a fucking mermaid.

[Noah]

But the crazy thing is that there's a comment from Bill Belichick that goes my biggest catch, exclamation point. Like, you did not write that. So is she just trying to. She probably wrote from his account.

[Fran]

Yes, probably.

[Kelly Keegs]

Maybe.

[Fran]

Yeah. She probably commented that herself from his.

[Kelly Keegs]

Probably. Probably. But it's like, you know, I respect the hustle to a certain amount or to a certain extent, but it's like. And it's funny, obviously. But, yeah, I need to know. I need to know everything about that CBS thing because the fact that what.

[Fran]

They aired was that Dave said that so bad.

[Kelly Keegs]

That was bad.

[Fran]

Dave said that Tony from CBS said he would go on part of my take and talk.

[Kelly Keegs]

Interesting. Okay, again, I would love to hear from Tony. Well, maybe I would love to hear from Tony. Were you making fun of Bill to his face with Jordan right there as well? Like, I just. I just. The tone, I'm telling you.

[Fran]

Oh, man. All right, last topic.

[Kelly Keegs]

We'll say.

[Fran]

Yeah, last topic. Which will be brief, I promise. The Captain Carter tour has kicked off, which I am so excited about.

[Kelly Keegs]

I am, too.

[Fran]

My God. The first video I saw was a clip of Beyonce singing the national anthem. I said, oh, my God.

[Kelly Keegs]

I have purposefully avoided. I've seen a couple of pictures.

[Fran]

Yeah. But I've avoided not a lot, too.

[Kelly Keegs]

Because we're going so soon. Like, it's only in a couple weeks. Weeks. And I. I've seen pictures.

[Fran]

No videos.

[Kelly Keegs]

That's. That's. Yeah, same. Besides national anthem, which that is. I'll cry my eyes out. Yeah, for sure. But I'm so excited for Cowboy Carter. I think it's gonna be great. I was not a. I was very publicly not a fan of Cowboy Carter when it came out. Not. Not like a hater.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

But I wasn't like a fan. Nothing tops lemonade for me. So it's really hard for me to get into any of her other. It was such a good. It was my favorite. So whatever. Then I'm. I'm with my friends. They're all major Beyonce fans. I'm a big fan. I've never been to a Beyonce concert. I was like, you know what? Let's go. Let's go to Cowboy Carter. I met life. Let's break it down. I will put on my cowboy boots. I will put on my French jacket and a cowboy hat, and let's break it the down. I'll do it. I'll do it all day. And I'm excited.

[Fran]

I'm so excited as well.

[Kelly Keegs]

Like a mechanical bull.

[Fran]

It's gonna be so good.

[Kelly Keegs]

I'm Ready?

[Fran]

And I'm friends.

[Kelly Keegs]

Are you going with the crew?

[Fran]

Yes. Yay. Yes. I'm going with. A bunch of the girls are going, but my seats specifically are me and Lauren, who literally is like, the biggest Beyonce and fucking loves Cowboy Carter. And we've been talking, like, we've been talking for a. Since the album came out. We've been saying, if she tours with this album, we will absolutely be there. I love this album. Noah, you gotta go.

[Kelly Keegs]

You're a huge fan. Why aren't you going?

[Noah]

I am. No, no. I just.

[Kelly Keegs]

Of Cowboy Carter specifically.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, he loves Cowboy Carter.

[Noah]

Love Cowboy Carter. I've been. I mean, that's like my top. Like, Spotify raps.

[Kelly Keegs]

Then you have to go.

[Noah]

No, I do want to go. I just, like, I'm bad at, like, committing to things. Like, even when the tickets go on sale, I'm like, well, I don't know what I'll be doing then.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, well, I say, well, I'm sorry. I can't do anything that day. I'm going to Beyonce.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

I've been saying that for months.

[Noah]

A week from Thursday.

[Fran]

Oh, yes.

[Kelly Keegs]

That's going to be amazing.

[Noah]

Yeah. MetLife, like, concerts is just like, it's an event, you know?

[Fran]

Yeah, it is.

[Noah]

But I do want to go, so maybe I'll get, like, a cowboy fit and.

[Fran]

Oh, my God, you got to do it.

[Kelly Keegs]

She's got, like, what, five shows in my life.

[Fran]

It is funny because it's like, I think maybe. Yeah, maybe more. Six.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Noah]

Like, I think. I don't know if I could find any guy friends that would be like, yeah, let's go to Beyonce together. Like, so I wish we had an.

[Kelly Keegs]

Extra ticket I'd bring you. With my girls. Engaged.

[Fran]

Talk to Gia.

[Noah]

Why is she trying to know what?

[Fran]

She has friends. They want to go.

[Kelly Keegs]

Oh, yeah. Is she. Oh, yeah. She doesn't have tickets yet.

[Fran]

I don't think she has.

[Kelly Keegs]

She wants to go.

[Noah]

Yeah, I'll talk to some.

[Fran]

She wants to go and.

[Kelly Keegs]

Hey.

[Noah]

Or I just go by myself in.

[Kelly Keegs]

A Cowboys and you just like a mechanical bull.

[Fran]

Nothing would be funnier than, like, a solo shot of you in a full cowboy outfit in front of, like, some sort of photo op at MetLife. Like some sort of photo backdrop.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes. Like a step and repeat for, like, fans. Yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

Yes. Of you just at Cobble Garden.

[Noah]

Like, there's so many people that go to MedLife. Like, there have to be some chicks. The office, fans.

[Kelly Keegs]

Like, definitely.

[Noah]

So maybe if I go alone.

[Fran]

No.

[Kelly Keegs]

Are you looking for a date? Maybe Cowboy Carter.

[Noah]

If anyone wants to go to Cowboy Carter with me, please, now.

[Kelly Keegs]

And now you're going to be on site. And that's how it's done.

[Fran]

Anybody wants to go to Cowboy Carter with me, I'll take them.

[Kelly Keegs]

That's how it's done. That's how it's done.

[Fran]

Oh, man.

[Kelly Keegs]

Well, or maybe it's Noah buys two tickets and brings. Brings a. Luckily a lucky listener.

[Noah]

I'll buy two tickets. Oh, actually, are they. Are they really, like. I'm sure they're insane.

[Fran]

They're not. They're not that bad.

[Kelly Keegs]

They're not as bad as you think.

[Fran]

There's a. There's a lot of shows, and I think that's helped.

[Noah]

How many are.

[Kelly Keegs]

They're expensive, but they're not like three or.

[Fran]

I think five.

[Noah]

Five.

[Kelly Keegs]

I actually think that there's. I think. Is there originally 21 or 21? Two. Three.

[Fran]

It's like all Memorial Day weekends.

[Noah]

She's doing tailored did for the eras tour at MetLife.

[Fran]

Well, there were separate weekends.

[Kelly Keegs]

No, Taylor only did three.

[Fran]

Yeah, but there was weekend. Oh, yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah. She only did three.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

She didn't start adding extra. Like, she probably could have done three more, but she didn't start doing extra shows until the next year where she added on for, like, London and stuff.

[Fran]

Yeah. Noah saw a video of Blue Ivy. He was like, it looked like she's been practicing.

[Noah]

Well, I was like, she's been. She improved.

[Kelly Keegs]

She crushes it. Well, she. Did you not see the video? The before and after for. On Renaissance tour, Like, her first day starting and her last day, she like, is. She's a professional dancer now. Like, she's so good.

[Fran]

She's only 13. So I mean, exactly. Oh, my God. Let the girl practice.

[Noah]

I said, how do they have time for homework?

[Fran]

Yeah. No, I was like, where are they going? I doubt there's.

[Noah]

How old is the other one?

[Kelly Keegs]

Kids? Roomy and. And eight.

[Noah]

Like, that's insane that she's.

[Fran]

How old is.

[Kelly Keegs]

Blue Ivy's 13. They're probably like 10.

[Noah]

Are they also, like, like, gonna be at every show? Like, cuz, aren't you. How are you gonna not feel gypped if, like, roomy's not. Like, you go to New York and.

[Kelly Keegs]

You'Re like, roomy's not there.

[Fran]

Roomy's only seven.

[Kelly Keegs]

Oh, my God, she's so young.

[Fran]

She's so cute.

[Kelly Keegs]

She's so.

[Fran]

And they were out there and there's certain parts that they were. And that's on there.

[Kelly Keegs]

And it's like, mom girl thing. Oh, oh, I'm so excited.

[Noah]

She's gonna be. Will she bring out Miley ever at any show?

[Kelly Keegs]

I would love for it to be.

[Fran]

Truly, one could only dream.

[Kelly Keegs]

Oh, man. That would be. Because I love.

[Noah]

That's.

[Fran]

That was the best song.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, it is.

[Fran]

Truly. It would be amazing. But I'm so excited for the tour. I looked, it looked. Everything looked great. The costume. Costumes look fantastic. She looks amazing. Obviously. I saw. I think Blue Ivy was wearing like an outfit that was an homage to like a destiny child's fit that Beyonce had worn in like the early 2000s.

[Kelly Keegs]

Chills again. I love that. Oh, wow. I can't wait, wait.

[Fran]

It's gonna be amazing. So we'll start. We're excited for that and excited to see all the content from that. Cuz now it's officially, officially kicked off.

[Kelly Keegs]

Begun. Maybe people will. Well, probably not. But I think only the Swifties are so crazy to do the live streams. Oh.

[Fran]

They'Ll stream for sure.

[Kelly Keegs]

I feel like in the moment, you know?

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Oh, good.

[Fran]

Well there for sure. Hell yeah. Okay, that wraps up the top. Hey dude is here to upgrade your travel style with the must have shoe of the season, the espadrille. It's giving classic espadrille vibes, but with that signature hey dude comfort. So it looks like a vacay shoe, but feels like your favorite everyday slip on. They have a breezy, open weave texture, cute stitching details, and a super comfy cork footbed that makes them perfect for literally anything from lounging at the resort to dancing all day at a festival. The hey dude shoes are so comfortable, they're cute. You can wear them all day long, walk around, lounge, hang. Great indoors, great outdoors. Whatever you want you can wear with your hey dudes. So if you want to level up your summer shoe game without sacrificing comfort, head over to heydude.com and grab a pair now. All right, let's get into the popcorner. We're gonna take your voicemails. Pop culture hot takes questions. Of course, a lot of them will be addressed to myself and Ria. Ria's not here. Kelly will be answering, so Kelly will be subbing in. So just pretend that they say, hey, Fran, Kelly, and Noah.

[Kelly Keegs]

But no, I thought I'm answering as a married woman. Rhea.

[Fran]

Right, right, exactly.

[Kelly Keegs]

So no, I won't do that.

[Fran]

Keep calling in. We'll answer your questions on Wednesdays. Rain the popcorner.

[Kelly Keegs]

Let's.

[Fran]

So let's. Let's hear the first voicemail.

[Kelly Keegs]

Hi, and Fran, It's Jessica from Lexington, Kentucky. Rhea, I hope you're enjoying your beautiful wedding weekend. And I'm just calling because I've been seeing so much about the Lifetime tour by Katy Perry, and I just really wanted to get your old thoughts, opinions on it. Personally, I think after seeing Something with the Heiress tour, it's really hard to compete with that. And it just seems like. Like she's not prepared. She doesn't have the stamina or the choreography. But her songs are so good. She could do so much better. Would love to hear your all's opinion. Hope you enjoyed your wedding weekend and love the pod. Gets me through every day. Bye, guys.

[Fran]

Thank you so much.

[Kelly Keegs]

I have. Fran, the problem is I have so much to say about this, about the Katy Perry lifetimes.

[Fran]

The videos are shocking to navigate.

[Kelly Keegs]

Well, so I had. I had two. Two. I had two takes on this.

[Fran]

Yeah, you start.

[Kelly Keegs]

I'll start for you. Because I'll take the brunt if you need. First of all, it's a. It's an absolute disaster. Okay? It is. There is. I've never seen a worse production put on in the history of concerts. I. I want to blame Katy Perry because I do think she puts her foot in her mouth a lot and she does a lot of things that are shitty. And, you know, the Blue Origin thing just happened and she's working with Dr. Luke and she. She's, you know, buying up houses from the elderly. Like, whatever. Okay. But I really am kind of starting to fall in the line of, like, is she in the middle of a humiliation ritual and she's, like, forced to do this because what the hell?

[Noah]

Her team is really, like, lightsaber thing?

[Fran]

Yes, her team is really, like.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's almost like she's. It's almost like she's. She's putting on this concert for, like, the Roblox generation. Like, it's like she went to the. I said this on tailwatch. It's like she went to the Travis Scott school of concerts and is just now doing lights and AI And a bunch of. Even her wigs are bad. Like, everything is bad.

[Noah]

And she does just look completely, like, out of breath.

[Kelly Keegs]

Absolutely. Like, it's just. It's just bad. So I. I think it's one of two things. I think either she has to do this because she's broke and she made a deal and she's supposed to sell out a certain amount, kind of like my favorite show, the Idol, or she's surrounded by yes men to the point that they will not even tell her when she's doing something. Ridiculous.

[Noah]

She hasn't like, no, I. Feedback online.

[Kelly Keegs]

I don't know if she does. I don't know if she does. She thought that people were upset with her and the Blue Origin thing because she showed the daisy in space and said, I wish that they didn't show us in the. In the orb. Like, it took away from the experience. It was like, no, Katie, people hated that because you packaged it as fake feminism. Like, they don't care that you brought a daisy to space. Like, what are you talking about right now? And I truly, really believe that she's surrounded by the wrong people. Who told her to do that, though? You know what I'm saying? Who said, katie, that's a good idea.

[Fran]

I lean more towards the. Yes. People around her that are just like, that's a good idea. I mean, look, Katie has always been like, all of her art concepts when it comes to the songs and the concerts and the music videos have always been pretty out there and it's always worked. And I think she's still trying to sort of do the same thing. And it needs to evolve because like she said in her call, the songs are so good. Like, for her to put on a show of all of her hits, it really, like, it is hit after hit after hit. You're singing your heart out. And it just doesn't make sense that they can't match the production value to the songs. Like, the songs are massive, number one smash hits. And. And it feels like the production budget was the bottom of the barrel.

[Kelly Keegs]

She's a huge pop star. She's one of the biggest pop stars in the world ever.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

And this is what we're dealing with. Like, she's got. Do you think she's broke?

[Fran]

Well, just like, I don't know.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's gotta be.

[Fran]

Gotta be the. The choreography, the dancers, just the set design. I'm like, what is happening?

[Kelly Keegs]

It's atrocious. And like I said, right down to her wigs and then. And then obviously she's already ripping off. Like, the entire tour is a rip off of bits and pieces of different tours that have gone in the last couple of years. So Taylor's tour, Sabrina Carpenter, Beyonce, even Olivia Rodrigo, she's stealing elements of her show. And again, none of these people invented concerts or segments of concerts or whatever. So you can't really say that she's like stealing. But because all these concerts just happened and each one of them had like a new exciting element. She just took all those new exciting elements and put them all into one show. And I, in In Katie's defense, I will say, and I actually think Beyonce falls into this category too because she is getting some shit for like not selling out every tour of Cowboy Carter yet. Whatever. I think that people need to stop comparing shows to the ERAS tour because the ERAS tour was basically a greatest hits of Taylor Swift. She hadn't toured in years. Biggest thing going, whatever, everything's gonna be.

[Fran]

And it's gonna be untouchable for years to come.

[Kelly Keegs]

Exactly. And all of the other tours coming out right now are for singular albums and, and one moment in time and whatever, shorter shows, blah, blah, blah. That being said, Katy Perry is putting on a Lifetime show. It's allegedly an ERAS tour esque show. The comparisons are going to come and you've got to be prepared for that. And you can't show up with 25 screens behind you, a bad wig and some, you know, fighting an alien with a license where she's like falling on the ground and she, she is, she looks like almost drugged.

[Fran]

I'm like, is she being held hostage? I have seen people being like, like, what's going on?

[Kelly Keegs]

Something is not right. And it, it's either. Right, it's either that like she's being taken advantage of in some way, which happens a lot with pop stars. I mean, you. I think back to that clip, clip that makes its rounds on the Internet sometimes when allegedly, who knows if this is real, but allegedly, right before she went on stage, Russell Brand like dumped her or something and she's crying, she's losing her mind. She wants to cancel the show and then she's like still crying. She gets in her like, platform to get lifted up into the stage and then she like snaps into place and she's Katy Perry. And in that moment, I felt for her being like. I can't imagine the pressure of there being a sold out stadium. All these people traveled, they spent money. The record labels need this money. Like all this shit's going down, right? And you have to perform no matter how you feel. But at this point in Katie's career, the amount of that she's getting online, the bad choice to work with Dr. Luke on this already cursed new album. Like, it's the. The music video was a disaster. The Blue Origin. Cancel the tour. Cancel the tour. Go to, go to a wellness center for a while and find yourself and fire everyone around you.

[Fran]

It's everyone, the, the whole like. And it just sucks because it's, it just feels like things we've seen from her before.

[Kelly Keegs]

Mm.

[Fran]

So it's, you know, the, the robot Things. And the. And the, like, Iron man esque costume that's just been done.

[Kelly Keegs]

Mm.

[Fran]

What? Like, which I don't understand because I think it was. Was it the VMAs? She did that big performance, Woman's World recently. Was it somewhere where she was getting the, like, an achievement vanguard?

[Kelly Keegs]

Like a. Yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

The video vanguard. Was.

[Kelly Keegs]

Was it.

[Fran]

Was it Katy Perry last year? VMAs or. Or some. It was some.

[Kelly Keegs]

She did just do one.

[Fran]

Like, some.

[Kelly Keegs]

I think it might have been like, last year's show.

[Fran]

Yes.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

Like in the summer show.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And I thought she was.

[Noah]

Medley.

[Fran]

That performance, I thought was great. It was different. It was done. And she went into like, you know, the choreography stuff, the crazy stuff. But then there was like some softer, sweet moments. And maybe we're just seeing, like, the worst parts of this tour is, like, what's being put out there. And those are the videos that we're seeing. But it just sucks because it's. It's like, it could be so huge. I don't know what's limiting that. And. And I think it's tough because it is. They do love that comparison where it's like, oh, well, it's not. It's not as she's not doing stadiums or blah, blah, blah. It's just like, well, let her make the show. But. But it's gotta be. I feel like she's still trying to do some crazy, insane stadium show in.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes.

[Fran]

A smaller feel. Yeah. Like the show has to be adjusted.

[Kelly Keegs]

The show is incoherent. Like, everything. Everything. I've seen every.

[Fran]

Like.

[Kelly Keegs]

And I. And you're right. Maybe we're just seeing the bad.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

But then I would like to see the good. Someone sent me a good video of Katy Perry's concert because it is to where I truly believe that she is being forced to do it. Like, that's how. Like, how do you walk into that space and think, this, this. This is it. This is my lifetime achievement show. And I can't believe it. Unless, like, again, there's a money issue or everyone around her is just saying, yes, yes, yes, to get it over with, which I think is also bad. Makes me super sad. Yeah, I feel bad. But then, you know, Gia has the opposite, where she does not feel bad for Katy Perry because of all the bad choices she's, like, made in her life and recently. And so I, you know, I get that and I feel for that as well. And I understand, like, like, you. You can have sympathy for her up to a point, and it will Be. I'll be curious to know really what the truth is buying this tour. And I'm sure we'll never know. Probably maybe we will one day down the line. But if it comes out one day that, like, she was broke and she had to do this and she didn't want to and everyone's forcing her and surrounded by the wrong people, like, then, yeah, I'll feel bad. I will feel bad for that.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Because that sucks.

[Fran]

Sorry, Katy Perry.

[Kelly Keegs]

Sorry, Katie Perry. Sorry to. And that's another thing. Like, I don't want to have to pile on someone who everybody's already piling on.

[Fran]

Right, right, right, right.

[Kelly Keegs]

It's a. It's a disgrace. Like, you got to cancel the tour so bad. I've never seen something worse. Hi, Ria, Fran, and Noah, this is Kenzie from Milwaukee. I want to get your take on or just ask, like, where the hell is the rest of the Molly May documentary? Like, what happened?

[Fran]

Question.

[Kelly Keegs]

Great question. They came out with three ups, and then it was like, more coming, and then we got nothing. It's been so long. It kind of is feeling like the Culpo Sisters show where we got, like, four episodes, and then they were just like, never mind. So what's with all these unfinished shows of people's lives that I'm actually interested in? So.

[Fran]

Oh, no, that's a great question.

[Kelly Keegs]

Well, great news. The three remaining episodes are going to be released on May 9th.

[Fran]

There we go.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Perfect.

[Fran]

Thank you.

[Noah]

Google search.

[Fran]

As she started, I looked to Kelly, because my phone's now across the room. I say, kelly, Google this right now, because that's so true. I have actually checked Amazon prime more than, like, three times over the last couple months, being like, where are these episodes? And I feel like there was a definitive answer when they were coming out. Now. I guess there is, because there was such a set. It was like, such a set amount of episodes, and then there was, like, a full trailer for new episodes. It's not like things weren't filmed.

[Kelly Keegs]

No. So I wonder, maybe they wanted to.

[Fran]

Wait it out because there's been all these, like, rumors that they're back together and that they've been traveling together and, like, maybe they wanted to, like, frame the story differently.

[Kelly Keegs]

Totally. And the. Obviously, it's kind of a. It's. It's taken a heavy turn. Tommy's got a drinking problem or whatever they're saying.

[Fran]

Yeah, that's why.

[Kelly Keegs]

So.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

So it's like, how. How do you. You know, It's a sensitive issue. It's a sensitive Topic. And it's right. Like you said, if they're back together, whatever they've got, they've got Bambi, they've got everything in their life is something. And maybe after seeing the outpouring of not only support that Molly got, but also sympathy and then at the same time hate for Tommy from the first couple episodes, maybe they wanted a little distance between the two.

[Fran]

Yeah. It's also like if it is something that they're working on together, maybe those earlier episodes, like what they had filmed earlier, have a little bit of a different tone when it comes to talking about Tommy.

[Kelly Keegs]

Sure.

[Fran]

And you know, maybe they want to adjust certain things or make sure that when they do end it, it's like, oh. Because now it feels like they are trying to work things out and have that be a part of it. I don't know. But that is. That was so true. And honestly, far too much time between. Between the two.

[Kelly Keegs]

Way too much time.

[Fran]

What a weird format.

[Kelly Keegs]

Said the first ones came out January.

[Fran]

January?

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes, January 17th.

[Fran]

I'd say it was January.

[Kelly Keegs]

Six, three. Three episodes every six months. I know more than that.

[Fran]

Like why? Why was that? Why did they do it that way?

[Kelly Keegs]

No idea.

[Fran]

Because obviously we knew they had the footage all already.

[Kelly Keegs]

It does what? Right. It doesn't say why, we say why.

[Fran]

Really weird. Okay, well, now we know when it's coming out.

[Kelly Keegs]

May 9th. Very soon.

[Fran]

Very soon.

[Kelly Keegs]

Two weeks away.

[Fran]

Very soon. Hi, Rhea, Fran and Noah.

[Kelly Keegs]

I have, I guess you could say a hot take, but I guess I'm.

[Fran]

A little confused myself. Is Bethany Frankel mean or is she funny?

[Kelly Keegs]

Like sometimes I read the stuff that.

[Fran]

She says and I think she is like an awful person. But then deep down I find it.

[Kelly Keegs]

Like super hilarious the shit that she says. And I never watched Housewives or anything.

[Fran]

That she's been on, so I don't.

[Kelly Keegs]

Really personality besides what I see in the media. But like I said, sometimes I think.

[Fran]

She'S like a really horrible person, but other times I just can't help myself but laugh. What do you guys think?

[Kelly Keegs]

I think both.

[Fran]

I would have to agree. I think it is. I think there is a lot of times where it is just pure funny. I think there's a lot of times that it is mean spirited.

[Kelly Keegs]

Absolutely.

[Fran]

But still kind of funny.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yep.

[Fran]

And then there's times where it is just straight up mean. And you're like, ooh, she missed the mark on this one. I think she is always trying to entertain and be funny.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yes.

[Fran]

And sometimes she just misses it. And you're like, that One didn't land. Not funny. You're actually just being mean. But. But she's always. I feel like trying to be funny, and then sometimes you're like, ah, that was not funny.

[Kelly Keegs]

Couldn't agree more. I think that I. I used to be a major Bethany Stan when she was on Housewives. Loved her on Housewives. I liked her because she was the most blunt, the most honest, and the funniest in her delivery, like, of. Of being blunt and. And whatever. And she. I just felt it was always the most real and blah, blah. Obviously, she's had her own host of issues over time, but I just think now what we're seeing is just like a boomer with her cell phone and nobody's telling her. Maybe don't post that, you know?

[Fran]

Right.

[Kelly Keegs]

Like, it's just not like I. I don't take Bethany seriously, like, at all. Like, I feel like a lot of people, and maybe that's just because I watched Our Own Housewives.

[Fran]

Well, she puts her inner monologue out there, like, at all times, which is for sure fine for some people. And then sometimes you're like, that one could have been left in the dust.

[Kelly Keegs]

Shouldn't have said that. But she's another one where I don't know why people bother, like, writing headlines about her because it's like, yeah, she's saying stuff to say stuff. Like, she's just talking. I. None of it is that serious, and nobody should take her seriously. Like, she's just, you know, in that way. I think she's a good businesswoman.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. Which there are times when she's trying to be serious, but there's definitely, like, most of the time there. There are, like, serious headlines that get written about her or quotes from her tiktoks that when you see them in print, you're like, oh, yeah. And then you go and watch the video and you're like, oh, you know.

[Kelly Keegs]

Tone is very important with Bethany. And her tone is always like. I would view almost every video of Bethany with, like, a little bit of a sarcastic lens. She's very dry.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

In some ways, that's only true.

[Fran]

Let's do one more.

[Kelly Keegs]

Hey, Fran, maybe Ria, you might be still on your honeymoon. Noah, this is Bridget from North Carolina.

[Fran]

Piper. No, I don't know if you are.

[Kelly Keegs]

A goth girl fan, but I know that Re and Fran are. But anyways, I want to know what y'all think is your least favorite or just the most absurd plot point in Gossip Girl. I'm doing a re watch right now, and Personally, I think just the most bizarre moment is Bart Beth dying and then just, like, randomly coming back to life, like, at the end of the series. Yep. And then him dying, like, two seconds later again. For real. Anyways, I love you guys. Thank you for being such an entertainment in my life, and hope you guys.

[Fran]

Have a great day.

[Kelly Keegs]

Bye.

[Fran]

Oh, my God.

[Kelly Keegs]

Love that energy.

[Fran]

Love her.

[Kelly Keegs]

Great.

[Fran]

So glad we just finished on that voicemail. Obsessed with her accent. Obsessed with everything about her. That was amazing. I have not done a Gossip Girl rewatch recently enough where, like, it all comes flooding into my. Into my mind.

[Kelly Keegs]

I'm with you. Yeah.

[Fran]

That's got to be up there.

[Kelly Keegs]

I think the whole storyline with. With, like, Uncle Jack, that was. Yeah. Wasn't Uncle Jack, like, trying to hook up with Blair and then, like, also Serena.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Something weird with him.

[Fran]

I feel like things, like, also really got weird with Nate, too. Oh, and like, everybody that, like, Nate dated later in the show, you're like, this is pointless.

[Kelly Keegs]

Here's what it is. It is Nate dating that older woman who is also.

[Fran]

I think it just. Elizabeth Hurley.

[Kelly Keegs]

No, it's not Elizabeth Hurley. Or is she in it, too? No, no, the one he has, like, an affair with her. Who's plays. Her name's Catherine in the show. I don't know her real name.

[Fran]

Yeah. Isn't that Elizabeth.

[Kelly Keegs]

No, she. No, it's not.

[Fran]

Oh, it's not.

[Kelly Keegs]

She is.

[Fran]

But is Elizabeth Hurley in Gossip Girl?

[Kelly Keegs]

That, I'm not sure. I don't think.

[Fran]

Am I so. No. Google Elizabeth Hurley.

[Kelly Keegs]

Gossip Girl, the woman who Nate has an affair with in Gossip Girl is also. I. I want to be, like, she's the mom and, like, Diana.

[Fran]

Pretty Little Liar Diana Payne.

[Kelly Keegs]

Will you click her and see what other. What? She's a mom and something else like.

[Noah]

Wait, wait, what?

[Fran]

No, no, we're talking about Elizabeth Hurley. Oh, Elizabeth Hurley.

[Kelly Keegs]

Never mind.

[Fran]

That's. That's her character in Gossip Girl.

[Kelly Keegs]

Got it. Okay. So she is in it. She's the. She's the. They work for her or something.

[Fran]

Yeah. I don't know if I thought she had something with Nate.

[Kelly Keegs]

She might.

[Fran]

Or Dan.

[Kelly Keegs]

Maybe she was second. Because Nate dates is, like, fully having an affair with an older woman.

[Fran]

Right.

[Kelly Keegs]

For a while. And then I think she also, like, like, has an affair with her stepson. There's something. There's a weird ancestral.

[Fran]

I'm not gonna lie. I mean, probably. Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. The worst plot line of Gospel Girl is damn near Gossip Girl.

[Kelly Keegs]

And you're.

[Fran]

Like, seeking that may be the worst.

[Kelly Keegs]

And that's it. Yep.

[Fran]

Like.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yep.

[Fran]

Of all the things that was probably the most ridiculous.

[Kelly Keegs]

The most. The most ridiculous, yes.

[Fran]

That you were like, wait, what? You know.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yep.

[Fran]

Especially when you watch it back and those, like, earlier seasons. It's funny because I think Pen Badgley like, kind of joked about it when he was just on Color Daddy, where it was like, you know, they obviously had to pick somebody in the. In the main cast for it to be. And you almost think early on, did they even really know who it was gonna be? And then they just, like, definitely knew. It was one of those things.

[Kelly Keegs]

There's no way they knew.

[Fran]

You know who also, I thought was just unfortunately a pointless character. Love her.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah.

[Fran]

But Hilary Duff.

[Kelly Keegs]

Oh, what was she there for when she was, like, a star going to.

[Fran]

School dating Dan, and it was just like, what's happening?

[Kelly Keegs]

It's like, what's going on here? No, I hated that I have to find this lady because it's gonna kill me. The lady that he had an affair with. Yeah. Oh, oh. Madison Amic. Catherine Beaton. That's her name. She also. Is your picture here. This lady lady. You know her?

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Who else?

[Kelly Keegs]

I'm about to look up. She's like a mom in another one.

[Fran]

Totally.

[Kelly Keegs]

She's like a sexy mom.

[Fran]

Riverdale.

[Kelly Keegs]

Is that what it is?

[Fran]

She's in Riverdale.

[Kelly Keegs]

I feel like I'm. I'm. I'm imagining a moment where someone. It might be Gospel girl. It might be something else in my head. It's Nate in Hampton's house, and she goes outside to see.

[Fran]

Yeah. She's one of their moms in Riverdale.

[Kelly Keegs]

Okay. That's what it is. Lily's. She's. She's Lily. Lily.

[Fran]

She's Lily Reinhardt's mom.

[Kelly Keegs]

Linhart's mom.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Okay. Okay. Anyway, we don't need to talk about.

[Fran]

No, but, yeah, there. It's really. It's really endless when it comes to ridiculous stories and Gossip Girl. You do watch it back, and you're like, wow, is she also in that new.

[Kelly Keegs]

That new Cruel Intentions reboot?

[Fran]

Oh, she might have been.

[Kelly Keegs]

Which I loved, by the way. And it got canceled immediately.

[Fran]

Immediately.

[Kelly Keegs]

You know who else loved it with me? Jeff. Dlo.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah. No surprise.

[Fran]

Oh, man. I'm trying to think of anything else.

[Kelly Keegs]

I can think of.

[Fran]

I mean.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, that's all I can really think.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kelly Keegs]

Sorry. The stepmom. Stepson plot line. That is from the New Cruel Intentions. And the woman does look like this woman, but it's not.

[Fran]

Yeah. Wasn't there like a surprise baby element or like we thought Dan was the father of.

[Kelly Keegs]

Yeah, like Dan got somebody pregnant. Was it maybe Georgina?

[Fran]

Georgina.

[Kelly Keegs]

It could have been because I remember.

[Fran]

But then, like, it wasn't Vanessa. Maybe her. I think he wasn't actually the dad.

[Kelly Keegs]

It was like a fake. No, I think it was like a fake pregnancy.

[Fran]

Yeah. Right, right, right, right, right.

[Kelly Keegs]

So that show, it's so worth the rewatch. Like, if you haven't rewatched Cosmic Girl in a while. I also haven't either. It's been a couple years.

[Fran]

I know. I told.

[Kelly Keegs]

The new age Gossip Girl. Did you ever watch that?

[Fran]

No, I never even gave it a try.

[Kelly Keegs]

My brother and I both gave it a try. Hated it, but kept watching it and then started to really like it and then they canceled it. I was like, come on, that's always.

[Fran]

Kind of how it goes.

[Kelly Keegs]

It always goes Pretty Little Liars. Original.

[Fran]

Yeah, right. Exactly. That's totally, totally how it goes.

[Kelly Keegs]

Hbo.

[Fran]

Okay, that wraps up for the popcorner. Make sure you please, Colin, leave your voicemail. We love hearing them, love hearing your hot takes, questions, whatever. You want to talk about it, we're here. Thank you guys for tuning in. This interview is brought to you by Armani Luminous Silk Concealer. Armani Beauty is renowned for award winning products that are a must have in your makeup routine. Armani Beauty believes in enhancing your natural beauty, giving you that lit from within glow. It's developed with the same award winning technology as the iconic Luminous silk Foundation. This complexion holy grail is beloved by celebs like Sydney Sweeney and Sadie Sink. The luminous silk concealer is a multipurpose lightweight, hydrating and blurring all day wear concealer that conceals, smooths and brightens skin. It provides weightless, medium buildable coverage delivering a flawless, luminous finish that feels like your skin. Its formula lives up to the hype with ingredients like glycerin, caffeine and vitamin E to hydrate, decrease under eye puffiness and awaken skin appearance while reducing the look of dark circles and fine lines. With 21 shades, luminous loose concealer's diverse range ensures you'll find the perfect match for your complexion whether you're looking to conceal, highlight or contour. So you can shop your perfect shade now at Sephora. So make sure you're getting your Armani luminous silk concealer. I love this concealer. I wear it every day. And you can shop your perfect shade now at Sephora. All right, everyone, we are here with a very special guest. We have the GM and editor in chief of people, Charlotte Triggs in studio. Thank you so much for coming in.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Hi. Thanks so much for having me.

[Fran]

We are so excited. It is just me today. Normally there are two of us.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Okay. I don't get to meet her today. Too bad.

[Kelly Keegs]

I'll have to be back.

[Fran]

Yes, exactly. Rhea is away on her honeymoon.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Oh my gosh.

[Fran]

Last week. So it was. It was stunning. And I was so excited when I was reached out to. To potentially have you come into the studio and talk about all things people and especially the People's Most Beautiful issue that was just released last week. Can you talk a little bit about that issue and your beautiful cover star?

[Charlotte Triggs]

Yes. So this is a fun issue. We've done it for 36 years. It's one of our biggest big franchises that we do every single year. And I was super excited because this is my first year as editor in chief to have the, I think the ultimate choice on the COVID We had Demi Moore as world's most Beautiful. I mean, she's just amazing and an icon and like you look back at everything she's done throughout her whole career and she could have been most beautiful like five different times because she was a superstar and fabulous and gorgeous and breaking down barriers in the industry and stuff like that. But this. Did you see the substance?

[Fran]

Yes.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Oh my God. So that movie is actually. I feel like every woman should really see it.

[Fran]

And it's just. If you can get through the gore, I'd swear. Yeah, I've been telling. I loved it.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Yes.

[Fran]

I thought it was so good. It is fascinating.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Or just turn the tablet around when it's like the gross parts. You know what I mean?

[Fran]

Yeah, exactly.

[Charlotte Triggs]

It's worth it because it's really interesting and fascinating. But like, like she took on Hollywood and she took on everybody's obsession with aging and the beauty industry and all this kind of stuff. And like the fact of the matter is she's fabulous and she is beautiful, but she's also self aware and she talks about it in a way where, you know, she has been through some stuff and she's come out on the other end and like super empowered and setting a good example for people, I think. Really. And it's like I just was really excited to have her on there and the interview was fabulous.

[Fran]

Yeah, I think that she really was the perfect person for also that role in that movie because she has. Her journey has gotten. There's so many ups and downs and she has been so beautiful in every decade, but people have always scrutinized her looks and like, I feel like you get into that movie and it just spun. Done it so well and it was.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Written for her practically.

[Fran]

Really, totally, completely. And there's so many things that she.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Like, invented, like beauty things that she invented. Like, you know, nowadays people do things that they just didn't used to do. But she created it. Like the naked pregnancy portrait, right? Like the shaved head for J. Jane. Like, that was like, totally unheard of at the time. And then do you remember Charlie's Angels, the black bikini moment when she's on the beach? She was 40. And at that time, everybody's like, oh, my God, somebody who's 40 is hot. Holy cow. How could that be? I mean, like, literally, people used to think that that, like, wasn't possible and she kind of changed the game there.

[Fran]

Absolutely, absolutely. And everyone, I think, just has been feeling that and seeing that. Especially because she has done all these carpets and promoting the movie and it's winning awards for it and everything. So it's like, wow, it's, it's. She is. She is timeless. What's the, like, process like for you guys when you have to choose the. The COVID star for this special edition?

[Charlotte Triggs]

Yeah. So, I mean, we started a few months ago when I first got into the role of editor in chief in January. I basically kind of called together the team to start really thinking about this. And I sent out an anonymous survey to her staff, I sent it to everybody. And I did not collect emails because I wanted people's truthful opinions. Like, give us, give us all your thoughts. Like, what did you think about the stuff we've done? What do you think is good? Not good. Like, what are your ideas about who should be on there? And then we pull together a room of stakeholders and like, you know, I've got like everybody, you know, we make a bunch of products, right? We've got a magazine, but we also have website, YouTube, social. We've got a brand new app. So, like all these various people, I always bring my assistant Brendan, and he's my like Gen Z whisperer. He'll give it to me real on the side and just get their opinions on stuff. And really everybody across the board was like, this is her year. She is where it's at. We want to me and we're so lucky that, you know, she was into it and the shoot was just so amazing.

[Fran]

Do you ever have. Do you guys ever put any certain guidelines or like, hey, we want someone in this age range or this before you do it, or you kind of gather all possible Possibilities, I guess it's.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Not like we, we don't necessarily think about it like programming to fill certain things, but on a rolling basis. We want all kinds of stories. So like if last year we had the opposite of that, I mean, you.

[Kelly Keegs]

Know what I mean?

[Charlotte Triggs]

Like you want to make sure that you're telling all kinds of stories, that you have all kinds of people in the psycheist represented, but you want to make sure that you're telling the story of the year. So in this case it was really her without a shadow of a doubt. But yeah, I mean we're always thinking about wanting all kinds of people in the mix.

[Fran]

What else goes into making that addition? Because of course you have the COVID story, but then throughout you get to read about other beautiful people and their stories and their maybe their wellness tricks or all these kinds of things that they have.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Yeah. So we've got an awesome team that's thinking of all these ideas and stuff like that. And they had a bunch of of ideas for different things that we would shoot and like get video and all of that kind of stuff for and then a handful of things that are just like ideas of like fun roundups. So it's like we had the best beauty moments of the year. That's the kind of thing that you can just easily pull together with our style and beauty team kind of giving their thoughts on the best moments of the year. And you've got like Cynthia or Evo's nails, that crazy manicure. I don't know how anybody has the patience to spend like four hours getting their nails done.

[Fran]

It's not even that. It's just your day to day life. I.

[Charlotte Triggs]

How do you do anything?

[Fran]

I don't do anything.

[Charlotte Triggs]

I never figured that out.

[Fran]

I mean, I have long nails and people are always like, oh my God, your nails.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Those are quite long.

[Fran]

They are long and I've gotten so used to them, but now it's like.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Do that times four.

[Fran]

Exactly. And even just texting was such an adjustment for me when they became long. Now I'm used to it, but if I ever cut them short, I'm like, I don't know how to do this. So maybe she's just so used to them.

[Charlotte Triggs]

I guess maybe now she can't go without them.

[Fran]

Right.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Like part of her now. But yeah. So stuff like that and like, you know, like Benny Blanco's eyebrow makeover was sort of like a moment. Like it has to be a little bit funny too. Right. Like not just like dead serious. But we had a cool act with moms and daughters swapping clothes. So that was kind of cute because you've got, like, Gabrielle Union and her daughter Kavia. And it's like Kavya's giving her mom the princess tiara, and her mom is giving her a diamond brooch that she wore the Met Gala. So it's, like, kind of funny, you know what I mean? But it's like, all different kinds of things hitting all different kinds of notes, but telling the story of, like, you know, beauty trends and just, like, the fun that you can have with it. Yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

What is, like, the evolution of this edition been, like, it's gone through some name changes and things like that. So what do you think it is at. At this point now?

[Charlotte Triggs]

So, Well, I guess let's talk about what it evolved from. Like, when we were starting out, it was like a list of just hot, cool people in the psych Iist. And I don't know if you realize, but they used to actually put guys on the COVID routinely. Like, there was a Leonardo DiCaprio cover in, like, the late 90s, right around the time of Titanic and stuff like that. So it was just like a psychisty list, basically. And then we had. Did you ever see the movie with Jennifer Garner where they're making magazine. What was the movie?

[Fran]

13 going on 30, remember, where it's.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Like, she's selling the secrets across the street, and it's like, oh, we have 98 sex secrets, and they have, like, 100.

[Fran]

Right, right.

[Charlotte Triggs]

As if that's gonna really, like, make a difference and sell more stuff. So we, at some point, we went from 50 most beautiful people to 100 most beautiful people, probably right around 2004. That must have literally been, you know, a trick that actually would sell more magazines. So for a while it was a hundred, and then it became, for a brief time, it was World's Most Beautiful Woman, which I don't know when we incorporated that language, but that took it, I think, a little too far in the direction of, like, focusing on physical beauty. Right. And then it's just evolved from there. We had the Beautiful issue. It's been called a lot of different things, but I think the real thing is that we want it to be a celebration. Right? Like, we're celebrating somebody for their accomplishments, not just for their surface appearance, but for their accomplishments and for the kind of the inner strength and resolve and the, you know, what they've overcome and what kind of shines through from, you know, it is like the inner beauty is part of it.

[Fran]

Yeah, absolutely. That's I think it's. And it's shared throughout. When you go through the edition, you can really see that as well. I'd love to hear more about your journey. Like you said, you are. Took over as editor in chief at the beginning of this year. How you kind of have made it to this point because you've been with people for a long time.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Yes. So, I mean, my little joke that I've been telling people is I'm like, two months on the job. Maybe it's like four months on the job now and 20 years actually at the brand. So I started on staff in 2005. I remember the very first year actually voting on who was gonna be the most beautiful. They used to, like, let you choose and whatever. And that year, actually, they were considering bumping. They had Julia Roberts, and they were gonna bump her for Breaking News, which was that Brad and Angelina had gotten together as a couple. And this was right after, of course, he had broken up with Jen Aniston. And I remember voting for Julia because I was like, people wait all year for this, so you can't, like, rob them of. Of the franchise.

[Fran]

Right, Right.

[Charlotte Triggs]

But, yeah, it was like, stuff has changed so much because back then, you know, they would. I'm sure the editor was like, what the hell? Like, all these young people want the franchise, but this breaking news will sell, like, 2 million copies. And it really probably would have. You know, it's a different. A different world and, like. And fewer products to worry about. Back then, they had had. You know, the magazine was like, mostly it. They had a website too. But then it's like things have just evolved and changed and gotten so much bigger and so many more products that we have now, even now, like an app, you know what I mean? So it's. It's been a crazy evolution to have a front row seat for seeing all of that. Yeah.

[Fran]

Did you always want to. To stay there? Was that. Was that a goal? Or is that kind of just you've been, like, gradually growing?

[Charlotte Triggs]

I feel like I've just never gotten bored there. And I've always seen opportunities to be doing new and exciting things. Like, you know, even like, early. Early on in my career, I started out as, like, an assistant, and then, like, a fact checker and then a reporter and a writer and whatever. I was, like, a junior writer, and there was somebody who was one level above me who happened. Her beat was plastic surgery, and she left, and I was like, oh, jackpot. Let me ask for this. Let me see if I can land that position. I was Like, I'll write about plastic surgery for a year. Why not? Like, for more than that? And they, you know, they did in fact, give it to me. I've. Every step of the way, I've always kind of asked for what I want. A. And if you see an opportunity that looks like growth, even if it's maybe a little bit different from what you're doing or even a little bit weird, like, writing about plastic surgery may seem like a bit of a weird career move, but it teaches you to storytelling, right? It teaches you to write, find human interest stories and. And celebrity stories. So for me, it was a cool stepping stone job. And then I kind of made the leap over into that pure entertainment for a while, and I was a TV writer. Then I became an editor on the TV team, and then later the TV editor. And then I made the leap over to digital about, like, eight years ago.

[Fran]

Has the pop culture news and celebrity news always been something you were interested in? I think for me, starting this podcast and really making it so pop culture focused is I was just so obsessed with every story growing up and growing up.

[Kelly Keegs]

And as a teenager.

[Fran]

Really? Yeah, yeah.

[Charlotte Triggs]

So growing up, I. My parents used to watch, like, art house films.

[Kelly Keegs]

Okay.

[Charlotte Triggs]

And, like, I would get to watch like, My Little Pony, but they would be watching, like, the Wagner biography, like, you know what I mean? Like, and then I did ballet, like, classical ballet, and was like, training for that for a long time. So actually, until I was maybe like, in my mid teens, I don't think I even, like, had much exposure to pure pop culture. So, like, don't quiz me on anything before, like, 1997.

[Fran]

So fair.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Like, literally no 80s, like, trivia. I'm not gonna win at that. But yeah. And then, I don't know, like, in college, I actually studied English literature and German. So again, not something that you would think would maybe like, land you on the path for doing pop culture. But then when I got the internship with people, it was just so much fun and so interesting, and it's really like, it's not just writing about celebrities. It's more than that.

[Fran]

It's.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Right. It's like the whole zeitgeist, the pop culture and like, what's going on in the. In the American culture. Right. So I found it just like, endlessly interesting and stimulating. And then now everything since I started at people, I, like, have practically a photographic memory for, like, the trivia that's happened since then. So I might not know early 90s, but I know 2000s and beyond.

[Fran]

What do you think are some of like the biggest misconceptions about working in that space, especially in the pop culture new space of celebrity news and relationships and things like that.

[Charlotte Triggs]

I don't know, maybe that it's like just gossip or that it's not, you know, that there's like, not really an information that's made up. I mean, like, you know, we're our whole thing that we have always kind of prided ourselves on, but sometimes it can actually, actually, you know, be a difficult mantle to wear. Is that it's like if you read it on people, you know it's true. Right? So that will sometimes mean that we're slow on the draw on something because we're busy reporting it out and trying to confirm it. You know what I mean? Like, I was joking with people the other day, but it's like, I don't think AI is going to be able to replace our jobs because AI can't, like, find out why Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez broke up, call sources and figure that out. You know what I mean? Like, that's the big thing we do really put a lot of. Put a huge premium on the fact checking and the original reporting.

[Fran]

I was gonna say, I think that is such a big thing because even when there's social media rumors about something, I always see online, when they see the published people exclusive or this people like, oh, that there's gotta be some truth to it, that here we are. Exactly. There has to be a big element there. Has that kind of changed any relationships with the actual celebrities?

[Charlotte Triggs]

Well, you know, it's interesting actually. Like, back in the day, there used to be a lot more like tabloids that had some real reporting muscle and they could kind of go after these guys and did. And then we would always be the people that would like, call them up and be like, would you like to tell the actual story? And now there is Instagram. People can go on there and can say what they believe. You know what I mean?

[Fran]

Like, they can say they can refute something.

[Charlotte Triggs]

They can go right to the source. They have their own audiences. But there's also like a million people with a million tiny audiences, right? And we are still here. And we can help people to kind of, I don't know, like, coalesce what they're trying to say and really get it out to like a mass audience in a very effective way. We still see when people come and give us like, you know, like the first look at their books and we run it on the COVID and then it runs online and we have videos and stuff like that that sells their books.

[Fran]

Right.

[Kelly Keegs]

You know what I mean?

[Charlotte Triggs]

People are seeing this and they like to the point that you just made, which I'm so glad you said, like, people believe it when they read it. So it's like we're there to help, you know what I mean? So it's like we of course want to know what's going on, but we want to know the real information. We're not here to be blowing up somebody's life and making sure up, pardon my French.

[Fran]

Totally fine. You can say whatever you want here as, as someone that has been there for that many years and have seen the transformation, what has been some of the biggest, you know, physical magazine to digital media kind of changes that you think people has had to make to stay relevant.

[Charlotte Triggs]

I mean, it's been a huge evolution. It's like back in the day, you would like, if the main goal was to sell copies on the newsstand, you could just pull together a story from like a million different sources, like, you know, real information, but calling up all kinds of people. You didn't necessarily have to have anybody's cooperation. And you could pull together a really compelling story and it would sell like a lot of copies, like almost 2 million copies of the newstand nowadays. It's like that can be a really effective thing that we do when there's like a really meaty story and like you're just not getting anything. And it's like everybody's dying to know that we still do that a lot. But you mean, you guys know, it's like you need, like, you need video, you need like all kinds of other assets that you really need to get from having like access to people.

[Kelly Keegs]

Right?

[Charlotte Triggs]

Like having a sit down. You need people's cooperation, you need them. You need the stars to do a million more things than they used to do. It used to be that they would just have to have lunch with you in Beverly Hills or something and then just go home. And they didn't even have to like do anything beyond that. Now we need people. You know, it's just part of the, part of the process now is like, you know, you need them to share stuff on social, you need them to like the product that you're making and be enthusiastic about it and tell their own fans to go and like, check it out. You know what I mean? So it's just a whole completely different calculus these days.

[Fran]

Yeah. What is kind of the. Has that changed the ethos of people?

[Charlotte Triggs]

Definitely hasn't changed. Like the spirit of what we're doing, right. We're like the original, original, like, intent of people was to tell stories of extraordinary people doing ordinary things and ordinary people doing extraordinary things. So that a. That mix is super critical. It's not just stars. It's also real people. But, like, you know, that still holds true into today, I would say. We also maybe sometimes write about ordinary people doing ordinary things. Like, you know, these people fighting on the airplane.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Charlotte Triggs]

You know, those stories are interesting, and people like them. So it's like, maybe that's like a brand extension.

[Fran]

Right, right, right, right. Those viral moments where we're just like, what is going on here? But people are fascinated by ordinary. Ordinary people's outrageous behavior sometimes. Which is. Which is very true. Okay, our last question is sponsored by Armani Beauty. You guys have these beautiful flagpole editions, and I know everyone also loves to discuss Sexiest man and where that goes. And every year, it's the one that, when it's launched, it's like, does. Does he. Is he the guy? What do you all talk about behind the scenes on. On what you want that conversation to be, like, specifically for that issue?

[Charlotte Triggs]

Well, obviously, we want people to be excited.

[Fran]

Right.

[Charlotte Triggs]

We want people to agree we shouldn't have to be, like, proving our case in court. You know what I mean? Like, it should be pretty evident on its space. Right. Like, and it needs to be fun, like, if Beauties is maybe a little bit earnest because you're telling a story about, like, resilience and strength and. And beauty. But Sexiest man is fun, and it's pure fun, so it needs to just be a little bit more lighthearted. I think it's been a little too long since we've had a guy with his shirt off on the COVID don't you?

[Fran]

I sure do. I sure do.

[Charlotte Triggs]

That's what.

[Fran]

These are the changes we would like to see.

[Charlotte Triggs]

I feel like it's an attainable goal.

[Kelly Keegs]

Right, Absolutely.

[Charlotte Triggs]

People want to be sexiest man alive.

[Fran]

I look as somebody. I mean, I think anybody that puts that much time and work into taking care of themselves to look like that. They're like. They're gonna say, I look like this because I worked really hard to look like this.

[Charlotte Triggs]

They're not doing it for. Not an audience.

[Fran]

Exactly, exactly. As much as you're like, oh, no, I look good, feel good, which is very true. But you. You're working for something.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Show it off. Let us see all that hard work and action.

[Fran]

Right, right, right. Well, you know what? That could be really something to look forward to. Well, I Hope that comes to light.

[Charlotte Triggs]

I'm gonna make sure that we deliver on that.

[Fran]

I think I have some names in my mind who would definitely, definitely, I feel like, would participate in that.

[Charlotte Triggs]

I'll have to take your. I'll have to get your suggestions, for sure.

[Fran]

I've got some ideas, 100% in the studio. But the beautiful. It's stunning. Demi is stunning. I think that that was a really great and important choice for somebody who, you know, now is considered older. I'm putting in air quotes where they see her that way. I was actually. And this is like a tiny anecdote, but I was just listening to Amy Poehler on the LA Sculcheristas podcast, and she's fantastic. But she was saying that, you know, she's now in her 50s, and she was like, I feel like there was years ago a different stereotypical timeline for women of, you know, your 30s, your 40s, and she's like, my.

[Charlotte Triggs]

And then you're done, right?

[Fran]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Charlotte Triggs]

But they're not anymore.

[Fran]

50S are amazing, and I love them. And there should be a new definition for that era.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Totally.

[Fran]

And I think, like, even just Demi being on this cover, I think totally shows that.

[Kelly Keegs]

So great.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Well, I'm so glad you liked it.

[Fran]

I did, I did, I did. It was amazing. Thank you so much for coming in and talking to us about it. It was really great, and I really appreciate. Everybody can obviously go check out online or the physical copy as well, which is always fun to scroll through and.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Flip through and check it out on the app, too.

[Fran]

Yes, you can download the app on your phone. Super, super easy. Charlotte, thank you so much.

[Charlotte Triggs]

Thank you so much.

[Fran]

Thank you guys so much for watching and listening. That wraps up today's episode of Chicks in the Office. We will be back on Friday, very excited. We have another interview and another guest host that will be filling in for Friday that I'm very excited about. So it's gonna be a lot of fun. So tune in to see who that is. Watch, subscribe, everything you guys gotta do. You know the drill. Thank you so much. We love you. And we'll see you on Friday.

[Kelly Keegs]

LA.