Dylan Efron Talks ‘Traitors’ Finale, Grant Ellis Interview + We’re Headed to JonasCon!

Summary

Chicks in the Office Podcast Summary
Episode: Dylan Efron Talks ‘Traitors’ Finale, Grant Ellis Interview + We’re Headed to JonasCon!
Release Date: March 10, 2025
Host/Authors: Ria and Fran, Barstool Sports

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1. Vacation Highlights in Turks and Caicos

The episode kicks off with Ria and Fran reminiscing about their recent vacation to Turks and Caicos, where they enjoyed a luxurious stay at the Weimara Resort. They express their gratitude towards Heather McMahon for facilitating the trip on short notice in January.

• Ria shares, “[03:05] … the water in Turks and Caicos is so blue. We were like, if you want to see some really blue water, you could travel only three hours in Turks and Caicos. You don't have to go 16 hours to Fiji.”

During their stay, they visited the Noah's Ark bar, a unique floating dock bar renowned for its excellent food, including standout chicken fingers and hot dogs. Their days were filled with beach activities from morning until sunset, emphasizing the serene and picturesque environment.

A memorable moment was witnessing a SpaceX rocket launch while dining, leading to an impromptu lesson from Fran on the significance of the event:

• Fran: “[10:40] … MarsSpaceX launches really disturbed flights in Florida. People had flights canceled or delayed because of debris from the rocket.”

The trio also indulged in the local casino scene, experiencing both wins and losses, which Fran humorously labels:

• Fran: “[08:03] … We have a real good sense of what Casino Ria is like. And you clearly, like, it's like, ah, 20 more dollars. Come on, Come on.”

2. Exciting Announcement: JonasCon Participation

Ria and Fran reveal their thrilling participation in JonasCon, a convention celebrating the Jonas Brothers’ 20th anniversary. They discuss their role in hosting events on the sky stage, engaging in interviews with Frankie Jonas, Big Rob, and other band members. This opportunity arose unexpectedly after promoting a video about the Jonas Brothers, which garnered significant attention:

• Ria: “[14:22] … I really had a LeBron moment on the beach. Like, smiling through it all. Can't believe it's my life.”

They express immense gratitude towards their listeners, acknowledging that fan support was instrumental in securing their spot at JonasCon:

• Dylan Efron: “[15:53] … The most loyal, most supportive, the best ladies in the world that are always behind us and have our back.”

The hosts also tease exciting merchandise and interactive segments they plan to introduce at the convention, promising surprises and live podcast recordings for those unable to attend.

3. Pop Culture and Entertainment News

Ria and Fran transition into discussing current pop culture happenings, starting with Harry Styles potentially securing a Las Vegas residency at the iconic Sphere. They speculate on the innovative performances Harry might deliver, leveraging the venue's advanced visuals:

• Dylan Efron: “[25:28] … Harry Styles at the Sphere. Oh, my God. I'm already on my way.”

The conversation shifts to other entertainment updates, including:

• “Somewhere I Turned Pretty” concluding its final season in July.
• Blake Lively and Anna Kendrick navigating a challenging press tour for their movie “Another Simple Favor”, dealing with public perceptions and on-set dynamics.
• Anticipation for upcoming releases like Jeremy Strong’s performance in “The Apprentice” movie.

4. Weekly Watch Report

The hosts delve into their Weekly Watch Report, grading various TV shows and movies they consumed over the week:

• “The Traitors” Finale: Celebrated for its poetic justice and heartfelt endings.

  • Dylan: “[56:21] … What a shock that Brittany wrote Danielle's name down once again.”

• “Summer House” receives a lukewarm response, with critiques on repetitive drama:

  • Ria: “[58:09] … I watched Juror number two on the plane ride home, and I would give it a C plus.”

• “Severance” and “Love is Blind” are discussed with varying degrees of appreciation, highlighting standout performances and narrative strengths.

• “The White Lotus” earns praise for its suspenseful storytelling despite pacing issues:

  • Grant Ellis: “[69:16] … It's a fantastic show. I just enjoy it.”

The segment also touches on upcoming releases like the Celtics documentary and debates on the enduring appeal of franchises like “Ocean's Eleven”.

5. Exclusive Interview: Dylan Efron

Dylan Efron joins the podcast to discuss their vacation and upcoming JonasCon appearance. He reflects on the seamless experience and the excitement of engaging with fans and the Jonas Brothers:

• Dylan: “[14:22] … We really get to use our brains and come up with some creative things to do at JonasCon. So we'll have some surprises there.”

Dylan emphasizes the strong connection they have with their audience, attributing their success to listener support. He also hints at future endeavors and merch releases post-JonasCon.

6. Exclusive Interview: Grant Ellis

Grant Ellis, the latest Bachelor, is the main guest in the second half of the episode. The conversation covers his experience on “The Traitors”, the emotional dynamics of the game, and his reflections post-show.

• Grant (Matt): “[78:05] … My main goal was to find a wife and set a good example by leading with love and being vulnerable.”

He discusses the strategic elements of “The Traitors”, the importance of loyalty, and navigating friendships within the competitive environment. Grant shares personal anecdotes about forming alliances, dealing with betrayals, and the emotional toll of being on a reality show.

Notable moments from his gameplay include:

• Deciding to vote out traitors while maintaining friendships.
• Managing conflicts during roundtable sessions.
• Balancing strategy with genuine connections, especially with Dolores and Danielle.

Grant also touches on his desire to participate in future reality shows like “Survivor” and the impact of sharing personal stories about his family, particularly his relationship with his father.

7. Conclusion

Ria and Fran wrap up the episode by reiterating their gratitude to listeners and teasing upcoming content, including their participation in JonasCon and future interviews. They encourage fans to stay tuned for more entertainment news, interviews, and exclusive insights.

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Notable Quotes:

• Ria: “[03:05] … the water in Turks and Caicos is so blue. We were like, if you want to see some really blue water, you could travel only three hours in Turks and Caicos. You don't have to go 16 hours to Fiji.”

• Fran: “[04:24] … These chicken fingers were, like, some of the best we've ever had.”

• Dylan Efron: “[15:53] … The most loyal, most supportive, the best ladies in the world that are always behind us and have our back.”

• Grant Ellis: “[78:05] … My main goal was to find a wife and set a good example by leading with love and being vulnerable.”

• Grant Ellis: “[84:21] … You could tell by the energy in the room on the group dates and who the girls aren't getting along with.”

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Key Takeaways:

• Vacation to Turks and Caicos: A relaxing trip filled with beautiful scenery, excellent food, and memorable experiences, including witnessing a SpaceX launch.

• JonasCon Participation: Ria and Fran's exciting role in hosting and engaging with Jonas Brothers fans at a major convention.

• Pop Culture Insights: In-depth discussions on Harry Styles' potential residency, recent TV shows, and celebrity dynamics.

• Weekly Watch Report: Comprehensive reviews and grades of various TV shows and movies, highlighting favorites and critiques.

• Guest Interviews: Exclusive conversations with Dylan Efron about JonasCon and Grant Ellis reflecting on his “The Traitors” experience and personal growth.

This episode of Chicks in the Office offers a blend of personal anecdotes, pop culture commentary, and engaging interviews, making it a must-listen for fans seeking both entertainment and insightful conversations.

Transcript

[Ria]

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What's up everyone?

[Dylan Efron]

It's chicks in the office with Ria and Fran giving you that Friday energy on a Monday. And Friday energy we are giving you indeed. We have two great interviews on today's episode one with the one and only Dylan Efron. Yeah, everybody's excited for that one. And of course we have Grant the bachelor as well. We are, we are nearing the end of the season of the Bachelor. Kind of crazy by the way, flew by fast season. So we talked to Grant all about his season with the woman tell all coming up tonight. So that is a great episode built for Friday energy on a Monday. But first, we are back. We are back from vacation. How are we feeling?

[Ria]

Great.

[Dylan Efron]

What a lovely time.

[Ria]

I'd say great. I'm lying through my teeth. No, no. Veyouge was awesome being home, you know, right. Got vacation hangover.

[Dylan Efron]

We do big time major and the.

[Ria]

Clocks decided to spring forward on us.

[Dylan Efron]

Right? But I will say this, leaving a destination like Turks and Caicos and coming home to it. The sun setting later and yeah, no, definitely warmer is really a nice touch.

[Ria]

No, that is nice for sure. That is nice for sure. But I'm a little jealous that it happened Saturday night. So now the sunsets there are happening a little bit later.

[Dylan Efron]

You know, we're missing the sunsets, we're.

[Ria]

Missing the longer sun on the. On the beach we're missing now. But no, we had an absolutely amazing time. We stayed at the Weimara. Gorgeous. Shout out Heather McMahon.

[Dylan Efron]

Shout out Heather McMahon. Our queen. I fucking love her so much. But the way this came to be, we, you know, Fran was like, man, like, I really want to go to Turks and Caicos. Should we go? And I was like, fuck it, let's go. And we had remembered that Heather, every.

[Ria]

Time we see her, I've been dying to go. I said it to her face in the last interview. I want to go.

[Dylan Efron]

Every time we see Heather, she talks about the Weimara in Turks and Caicos. And last time we saw Heather, she was like, you guys let me know if you wanna go. Yeah, you let me know if you wanna go. And so we let Heather know, short notice, only in January.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

And we made it happen.

[Ria]

Yeah, it was amazing. Really. Just. The resort was beautiful. Water was stunning. We had some amazing meals.

[Dylan Efron]

We had some fucking outstanding meals.

[Ria]

Really good food.

[Dylan Efron]

Really, really good food. Yeah, I mean, the island itself is. We were having, like, Fiji flashbacks because the water in Turks and Caicos is so blue.

[Ria]

So blue. And then we were like turquoise.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah. We were like, well, you know, if you want to see some really blue water, you could travel only three hours in Turkic Caicos. You don't got to go 16 hours to Fiji.

[Ria]

Right, right. That was for real. That's. That is so true. I mean, we. We got to cross off a lot of fun things. Did a boat day. We saw Noah's Ark, which is, you know, very popular spot, Drake's hot spot, that if you're lucky enough, you would get to see Drake there. We did not.

[Dylan Efron]

No, we didn't.

[Ria]

We did not.

[Dylan Efron]

But people talk.

[Ria]

My God, was there a good hot dog, chicken fingers there?

[Dylan Efron]

These chicken fingers were, like, some of the best we've ever had. But Noah's Ark is a bar in the middle of the ocean in Turksicaco.

[Ria]

It's just like a floating dock dock.

[Dylan Efron]

With a bar and amazing food and a kitchen somewhere.

[Ria]

The food, I don't know where that food came from, but it was fantastic. It was so good.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah. So we took a boat to the. To the bar in the middle of the ocean and we spent some solid beach hours. Yeah, we clocked some good hours on the beach from like 10am to 6pm till sunset.

[Ria]

Guys. Rhea was reading a book that at one point she was so into. I looked up from my chair. She brought the book into the ocean with her. She was standing in the ocean reading the book, submerged up to her hips with the book Alias. I looked at Matt, I went, oh, my God. She brought the book into the ocean. I didn't say. He was like, she must really be liking this book.

[Dylan Efron]

I didn't say a word to anybody. I just got up.

[Ria]

No, you just got up and took.

[Dylan Efron]

The book with you because there was a twist in this book.

[Ria]

Yeah. You were reading the Housemaid, by the way.

[Dylan Efron]

Yes, I was reading the Housemaid, which is the movie that Sydney Sweeney and Amanda Seyfried and Brandon Skellner.

[Ria]

Yep.

[Dylan Efron]

Are doing.

[Ria]

That's the new. The new Sydney Sweeney press move is.

[Dylan Efron]

The new PR Move with Brandon and him tossing her around. So I'm reading this book. I thought it was good. And, you know, I thought it was pretty predictable in the beginning, but still good. I was enjoying it, and it was interesting and a good thrill. But then it gets to a point where there's a twist, and I literally had to remove myself from everybody else and go read this twist in the ocean. I was like, so, you know when you're reading a book and you don't like to think too far ahead because then it kind of spoils. Then kind of spoil it for yourself a little bit.

[Ria]

So there's people out there that, like, read the last page of the book.

[Dylan Efron]

Before they finish the book.

[Ria]

Crazy.

[Dylan Efron]

You could have probably. If you put the book down and thought really hard about what this twist was gonna be, you probably could figure it out. But I wasn't thinking that hard about it. So when it came across my desk, I had to go take a little walk into the ocean and just read it all in there. But I was captivated. So I had to immerse myself, literally and physically. Yeah. Into the. Into the ocean. But no, it was so incredible. So relaxing. Really was mixed with a lot of fun. Yeah, we hit the casino a couple times.

[Ria]

Lost money.

[Dylan Efron]

Yes, yes.

[Ria]

Casinos. I. It's. It's hit or miss. Hit or miss.

[Dylan Efron]

I was having a pretty good time.

[Grant Ellis]

That is what they were.

[Ria]

Literally the definition of casino as a hit or miss.

[Dylan Efron]

I had a pretty good time at the casino. I was on a nice run with roulette.

[Ria]

I will say, we haven't been in many casinos together. I got a real good sense of what Casino Ria is like. And you clearly, like. It's like, ah, 20 more dollars. Come on, Come on.

[Dylan Efron]

Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah.

[Ria]

There were some times I was like, she's not gonna. She's not gonna stop.

[Dylan Efron]

No, I know. And that is why I don't enter casinos often. It's really vacation. Ria is a casino Ria. Um. But, yeah, all of us walked. The last time we went to the casino, all four of us walked out. Like, ah, right. We probably could have.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Ria]

We could have left. Maybe we got some losses there.

[Dylan Efron]

We probably could have not shown up to the casino. Yeah.

[Ria]

Yep, yep, yep. But no, it was so much fun.

[Dylan Efron]

It really was a blast. I mean, the food was just.

[Ria]

Oh, Thursday night we had that meal was unbelievable.

[Dylan Efron]

Thursday and Saturday we went to two places in case people are going tricks. In case Keiko's checking it out. Gotta go to Infinity.

[Ria]

Went to Infinity. We went to Marine Room. And we went to Vita Rock House. And we went Rock House, by the way, just a beautiful resort, like, stunning. And Deconk Shack.

[Dylan Efron]

Da Conch Shack.

[Ria]

Over the Wednesday night party.

[Dylan Efron]

We went to Deconk Shack on Wednesday night and somehow got in there. Because the way they talk about this place is that you cannot.

[Ria]

Wednesday night, party night.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, Wednesday night. There's live music.

[Ria]

Fire.

[Dylan Efron]

There's fire. The fact that we saw somebody eating fire twice in one week.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

I had a moment where I was like, okay, you know, this is. This is a lot.

[Ria]

Yep.

[Dylan Efron]

This is awesome. Why am.

[Ria]

Like, it's. It's sick.

[Dylan Efron]

But I had a moment. Like, this is incredible. Like, we've really experienced some outstanding things in the past two weeks.

[Ria]

Yep. Absolutely.

[Dylan Efron]

It was just like, I couldn't be more grateful in that moment. Wow. This is. This is incredible.

[Ria]

Can't believe this is my life.

[Dylan Efron]

No.

[Ria]

By the way, we just planned this entire episode. Like, we're sitting here. We were talking about everything we were going to talk about in today's episode. Neither of us once. Now, I just remembered right in this second, Jonas Kahn. Oh, yeah. Just like we were about to. We were about to put out an entire episode and not mention Jonas Kahn.

[Dylan Efron]

Well, okay, so enough about our vacation, which was 10 out of 10.

[Ria]

Last thing I want to say about the vacation, Thursday night, guys, I couldn't believe my eyes. I look out in the distance, there's this big orange fireball on the horizon. I'm like, what the heck is that? We're watching. We're watching it, and then we're kind of going back to our dinner. And then we see the sparks, like, the lights that it's like, I don't even know. I mean, all I can describe is a rock. I mean, a rocket exploded. It was the SpaceX launch, and I couldn't believe we saw the whole thing fall apart from what's happening. Oh, my God.

[Grant Ellis]

Because I saw your story, and I'm like, wait, is that what that was?

[Dylan Efron]

Literally, I couldn't believe it. And watching Fran's reaction to this was incredible because we saw this happen. And Fran's like, guys, what is that? Is that fireworks? They're just staying in the sky. And we're like, there's no way that could be fireworks. And then we hear the waitress tell the other table, oh, that's spot. SpaceX. And we were like, what? SpaceX? Fran starts doing her digging. Scientist Fran finds out all the information and, you know, clarifies it for all of us. Gave us a nice little lesson on what just happened.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

And it was incredible that we saw it happen in front of our eyes.

[Ria]

And then I was looking at it more this week, too. It was crazy that it, like, really disturbed flights in Florida. People had. Flights were canceled or delayed and things in South Florida because of debris falling from the sky from the rocket. I guess this happened not that long ago also with SpaceX. And debris, like, washed up on the beach in Turks and Caicos. And so, like, our. Our wagers, like, yes, the rockets again, SpaceX. I was like, oh, my God, that was crazy.

[Dylan Efron]

Insane.

[Ria]

I could. I was nerding out. I couldn't stop talking about it. I can't believe we just saw that.

[Dylan Efron]

No, it was incredible.

[Ria]

It was.

[Dylan Efron]

Fran's reaction was the. Just.

[Ria]

I just kept bringing it up at the dinner table, like we're talking about. We'd move on to other subjects and I would bring it back to the rock.

[Dylan Efron]

No, it was amazing, though, because it's like, oh, I need to learn the information about what's happening here.

[Ria]

No, that was.

[Dylan Efron]

We all truly had such a fantastic time together. I mean, just a 10 out of 10 vacation. Like, yeah, the last day, we were like, this is so incredibly sad that we are wrapping this up.

[Ria]

But it was one of my. One of my sadder departures from a vacation. I mean, we've had plenty. But this was.

[Dylan Efron]

This one there. This one was really sad because the four of us really made the most of every second.

[Ria]

It was like we soaked it all.

[Dylan Efron]

In in and made it for what it's worth. So 10 out of 10. But huge thing that happened last week, which it was kind of quick. It was kind of quick moving with Jonas Kahn. So we talk about Jonas Kahn on this podcast and we put out that video.

[Ria]

Begged. I got on my hands, begged.

[Dylan Efron]

Manager Rhea came out, you know, a little bit of threatening. Whatever.

[Ria]

Whatever happened to happen. Yep.

[Dylan Efron]

And we move along with our day and Jonah's management reaches out to, you know, the team here at Barstool, and they're talking about, you know, having us involved. And Jonah's kind in some way. Oh, maybe you guys do a little live Podcast at the bar. You know, something small. You know, maybe you have somebody on. I don't know if the brothers, you know, who know they're busy that day. Who knows what's to happen? And then it escalates into us being on the sky stage at Jodascon, basically hosting each individual event on the sky stage at Jonascon. Talking with Frankie Jonas, talking with Big Rob, talking with the brothers themselves, entertaining the fans, doing guest trivia, doing fan trivia. Jonas Brothers trivia.

[Ria]

It's gonna be really fun.

[Grant Ellis]

All American Rejects.

[Dylan Efron]

All American Rejects. Jay Shetty. We're putting on Extravaganza, and we are on the main stage of Jonascon. Because I've had some friends, some ladies reach out and say, well, where can we find you ladies? We'll be on the main stage. We'll be on the sky stage. And so this was just an incredible, like, really whirlwind. Because this hat. We had the call with the team a day before we left for vacation last week. We were not 100% sure when they were announcing whether it was gonna be Wednesday, where we're gonna put it on the podcast on Wednesday. We're gonna wait till Monday. The announcement came out on Thursday.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

And it just was like, whoa. You know, trying to take it in.

[Ria]

It really.

[Dylan Efron]

No words. It's. It's such an incredible experience, and we're honored that we get to be a part of it.

[Ria]

No, I really had a LeBron LeBron Me moment on the beach. Like, smiling through it all. Can't believe it's my life, like, being like, oh, my God, it's. It's so special. It means so much. I thank you guys all. So many kind messages. So many people were like, I'm so. Like, I. I know. Fran's so happy. I'm so happy. I really. I really, really am. I just do not take that for granted at all. I like us putting that video out there. Obviously gets noticed by you guys, but you are the ones that tag them, repost it, share it. And that got it into really, you know, more. More. More eyeballs on it that got the attention on it. And to have this meeting and talk to them and talk with the management guys. I was geeking out. Little inside baseball. I was geeking out. Cause Garbo was in the meeting, and I played it really cool.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, you did.

[Ria]

And I hope he doesn't listen to this and think, oh, my God, that's. She was geeking out at that meeting.

[Dylan Efron]

He might, but that's okay.

[Ria]

I mean, if you're An OG fan. Like, they know he knows. I know that. I know, right?

[Dylan Efron]

You know, we know.

[Ria]

You know I know that he knows.

[Dylan Efron]

I mean, we really do have the best listeners in the world. World truly the most supportive listeners always behind our backs. One million, 1,000%. Anytime that we are like, oh my God, please, we want to do something, we have our listeners jump in and be like, you better let the chicks in the office in or we will cause a fit. Which is honestly.

[Ria]

Mouths don't get fed.

[Dylan Efron]

That is true. The most loyal, most supportive, the best ladies in the world that are always behind us and have our back. So we couldn't be more thankful for you guys because we wouldn't be able to do a lot of the things that we get to do without our listeners. That's a fact. We wouldn't be able to do really anything without our listeners. So we love you guys so much. Thank you guys so much because this is truly an experience of a lifetime and I'm so excited for the event itself. You know, we. We really get to use our brains and come up with some creative things to do at Jonascon. So we'll have some surprises there. Hopefully we get to see a lot of your beautiful faces there. We do have some really cool merch that we're going to make that will be online after the event as well. So this whole thing is just. Is super incredible.

[Ria]

Yeah, I think that it's, it's just an amazing full circle Jonas KAHN to celebrate 20 years and getting to be a part of that and talking to them and talking to other people that are, you know, have been in their lives for so long and having these experiences and seeing all the fans and having really, you know, I feel like I am on both sides of it, which is really so cool. Is like get to be on stage and have these moments and talk and interact with the crowds and everything. Cause I would have also been on the other side of it. Like I was. I'm getting the emails too. Like, don't forget to register. Cause I was like I had signed up immediately when it first. When it first came out. So it's. It's amazing. I know that there, there are two sessions. I think. I know, I know some people were like, well, what part of you. It's like where there's two sessions, we'll be at both on the sky stage at both. And there's also Jonas beach that's going on as well. The guys are bouncing back and forth, making sure everybody gets to, to see them and watch them and Everything. So it's gonna be really fun. They're doing a lot of cool things. They really, like, released the whole list. And it is at the American Dream Mall. And that mall has a lot going on in there.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, there is.

[Ria]

It really. It really does. So it's just. It's really. It's cool, like what they're turning everything into in the mall and getting to. Getting to be a part of it. I'm so excited.

[Dylan Efron]

It's so cool.

[Ria]

Oh, my God. It's gonna be so much fun. I am already, like, really gonna have to put my big girl pants on.

[Dylan Efron]

No, you're gonna do amazing. You're a professional. But also dreams coming true as well. It's really. It's. It's so amazing. And we couldn't be more excited and thankful to the Jonas team for including us. Yeah, seriously, it's gonna be just absolutely incredible. So we'll keep everybody filled in once we get more information around that. And we will be doing live podcast there. So.

[Ria]

Yep.

[Dylan Efron]

What we record there will be released the next day on Monday for our listeners who maybe cannot go. We'll be able to watch it all. We'll. We'll record it all. We'll give you our best in there, and we'll release that on Monday. So that is super, super cool. Super happy for you. Franny. Cannot wait to see you.

[Ria]

Elementary Jonas Khan, here we come, baby.

[Dylan Efron]

Well, it's so funny because I've talked about this before, but I have. My neighbor, my next door neighbors that I grew up with are right up there with Fran as like, the biggest Jonas Bellers fans that I know. Like, truly the biggest. Like I said, right up there with Hugh and my mom and their mom, whatever, they were talking and they were laughing and they were like, we always knew Maria was, you know, hanging out with you guys too much. And I was like, I mean, I wasn't keeping it a secret. I literally wrote on my wall, I heart the Jonas Brothers, like, in small letters next to, like, my Dylan Sprouse poster and like, whatever. But it is just so weird to think about your younger self now thinking about these moments, like, especially for you, that, you know, your young, like your younger self dreamed of the moments of, like, that you would meet. Yeah, Nick Jonas and the Jonas Brothers. And then. No, I got actually being a part of it.

[Ria]

Yeah, I got super. I got super emo looking at photo, honestly, just like Bama, like, looking at photos on Thursday night of just old pictures, being at concerts. Like, you know, 2008, 2009 was really, when I was like old enough to be at shows by myself, kind of like that, it was like, oh, our parents would like drop us off, drop you off, you know, pick us up. And having those moments or thinking about how like I. You would go to different events or when Nick was on Broadway, wait out by the stage, have him sign my play. Like all these things that just like have lined up and moments that have happened have just been so exciting and things that, you know, even just the progress of things that we've already gotten to do with them and seeing that it comes to some, like, big build up that we get to be a part of. Jonas Khan is so cool.

[Dylan Efron]

It's, it's. Don't you wish you can go back and like, tell your younger self, like, you're gonna be on stage at Jonascon?

[Ria]

Yeah, like, what would you like?

[Dylan Efron]

Oh, my God.

[Ria]

No, no, my younger sel would be like, as Nick's wife.

[Dylan Efron]

Well, of course you're gonna be there.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

You're gonna be married to.

[Ria]

Well, I mean, we're married, so obviously I'm there.

[Dylan Efron]

No, that's so funny. I mean, very funny story that Mare, Kim and Kel. Kim and Kel are my next door neighbors. And then Mare, their mom, when they went to a Jonas Brothers concert one time, right in the front, Mare caught Kevin's sweat towel and still has it. And she was like, like, we were talking about this and I'm like, I think I have to tell. I either have to bring this sweat towel with me or bring this up in some capacity and be like, by the way, there's a 50 year old woman out there that owns your sweat towel. Just so funny.

[Ria]

You bring it, put it like hang it in a frame. And I'm sure there's some memorabilia that will be hung up and bring it.

[Dylan Efron]

In a frame and have him sign the frame. That'd be epic. So. So.

[Ria]

Oh, my gosh. No, I can't wait. It is going to be. It is going to be such a blast. And I can't wait to see, like, all the fans and everybody's beautiful. Just so Jonas centric. We'll just be singing Jonas songs all day long, right? It's gonna be.

[Dylan Efron]

No, it's gonna be so much fun. If anybody has any ideas for what to wear, you know, should we wear. Should we wear Jonas merch? Should we wear regular outfits? Like, let us know what you think. Because I know we started thinking about that a little bit and I asked Fran. I'm like, fran, you gotta break out an og Shirt.

[Ria]

My problem is, is I just went through my whole closet. I did a whole clean out and I mean, I would never throw it away. I have it all. It's just now packed away in a different location to kind of be used as. I just don't have the space for it in my apartment. But, like, I'll always hold on to those. Those early concert tees. Oh, my God. I was going through. I was dying. The girls were laughing because I was like, oh, keep, keep, must keep, keep, keep. I was like, I understand. Maybe they don't fit here, but I have other places for them to go.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, keep.

[Ria]

It's like my, my Nick Jonas in the administration. Ladies fit. V neck.

[Dylan Efron]

Oh, my God.

[Ria]

Adult, small, slim fit. I was like, keep wearing as a crop top. Absolutely keep. Oh, it's very funny. Obviously I'm holding on to those items and we'll have them forever, but. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I'm. I go back and forth, right. Of like, what. I'm sure merch always plays, of course. But we could probably do like a cool outfit. Yeah, yeah, Right.

[Dylan Efron]

Give it. Let us know. Let us know what our ladies think, what we should wear. Because we're going back and forth between merch and cool outfit. But Fran, I'm so excited for you. Like, you. It's like really just. Must be like a. Just a. It's wild, a weird feeling, but also incredible at the same time.

[Ria]

It's hard to process. Like, it's really hard to put it towards. It's hard to even. Like no verbal emotion can even really come to describe the. What the feeling is like, you know, if that makes any sense. It's like hard to put into words.

[Dylan Efron]

It does. I. I mean, I feel the same way just being able to do these incredible opportunities that it never feels real, it never gets old, and we never take it for granted. Every single time something like this happens, we're like, us what? Like it really is, you know, And I. And I've made fun of that before. Like, when I talk about people getting not. I just mentioned this. Like, when people get nominated for awards, I'm like, don't be shocked, you know, don't be shocked that you were whatever. But we had that moment. You know, we've been doing this for, you know, seven years, but still when we get to do cool things like this, I'm like, what us? Like, it is just so. It's so crazy. And we couldn't be more thankful for the listeners for making it happen. So we'll see you guys.

[Ria]

See you at Jonas con, baby.

[Dylan Efron]

You at Jonas con. Super pumped up for what we have in store. So let's get into the rest of the episode. We are going to be talking about Harry Styles. Harry Styles.

[Ria]

Oh, my God.

[Dylan Efron]

I know, because I'm so excited about this. He is potentially locking in some dates at the Sphere in Vegas. I will be there if it happens. So please, we really need more information on that. The summer I turned pretty last season will air this summer. Super exciting. Kylie and Timothy, you know, at the tennis tournament in Palm Springs Club Chalamet not none too pleased. Blake Lively and Anna Kendrick are doing a little press tour for another simple favor. And it is quite awkward, as you can imagine. And we have the weekly watch report and two fantastic interviews with Dylan Efron and Grant the bachelor. So let's get into it. Making it in time for McDonald's breakfast is one of the best feelings. You're like, oh, my gosh, I made it. I'm not sweating the clock. Classic, you know, big daddy throwback. That movie misses the McDonald's breakfast. You don't want to be that person. You want to make it in time for McDonald's breakfast. Especially a rough. Maybe it's a weekend, you know, Saturday or Sunday, you wake up, maybe you had a night out, maybe you stayed in, but you're really craving something yummy and delicious and you want the McDonald's breakfast. You wake up, you order it in time. Nothing better. My personal favorite, McGriddle. Some hash browns, some hotcakes, a hi C. I call that a perfect McDonald's breakfast, but there are so many different options. You can also get a McMuffin. You can get a make a little breakfast top taco with the big breakfast. You can do my hack, which is putting the hash brown on the McGriddle, or you can put it on a McMuffin, whichever you prefer. But the opportunities are endless with McDonald's breakfast. My personal favorite and breakfast. We all know it always comes first, so don't miss out on starting your day with a beautiful, delicious McDonald's breakfast. Wake up. It is time for McDonald's breakfast. This is super, super exciting news. It looks like Harry Styles is close to locking in 36 shows at the Sphere in Vegas, which would be the time that I would go to the sphere of Vegas. I would do anything to make this happen. This is such an incredible thing for Harry Styles fans to experience the luxury of having this man potentially perform 36 shows at the Sphere. And this is great because it's not like it's a part of a tour. You know, he's finished his tour. This would be a nice little scramble.

[Ria]

Of all his residency.

[Dylan Efron]

A residency at the Sphere. Like, this is so incredible. Please, Harry Styles, make this happen. I think, who wouldn't want to go see Harry Styles at the Spear?

[Ria]

I. Yeah, it will be. I'm already, like, stressed thinking about how to get tickets. I'm already worried about 35 shows. It's almost not enough.

[Dylan Efron]

I got chills when I first read this news. I thought, what an incredible thing because he just went on this long tour. I mean, 36 shows, right. It seems like a lot in theory is probably, you know, not even enough for all his fans to be able to attend.

[Ria]

35. 34 up to 35.

[Dylan Efron]

Sorry, I keep saying 36, right?

[Ria]

Is that what I saw?

[Grant Ellis]

35 is like, what was the max? Yeah, the number that was being reported.

[Ria]

Okay. Hey, could be. Could be 45, but, you know, they might have to add a shit ton more. How many days do you think he could go? Oh, I like.

[Grant Ellis]

I feel like he could do.

[Ria]

He could do a hundred shows.

[Grant Ellis]

Because how many did Adele do, like, in Vegas? I mean, she was there for forever.

[Ria]

Yeah. Like, much, actually. I don't know what that.

[Grant Ellis]

I think she did, like, three a week or, like, did, like, the weekends.

[Ria]

Very intimate venue, I believe, where Adele.

[Grant Ellis]

Was really, it looked big. It wasn't at the, like, that theater in the MGM or, like, I don't.

[Ria]

Know, maybe just because the Sphere, like, seems ginormous, that it feels so much bigger than anything else. But it's not as big as. It's so much. It's so much screen.

[Dylan Efron]

The first Harry Styles concert I ever went to changed my life. And I really feel like this one would again, like, this just. I mean, why do I feel proud of him? Like, I'm like, oh, my God, you're getting a residency at the Sphere. I'm so happy for you.

[Grant Ellis]

Harry, what he would do with it, like, with the screen, with the visuals.

[Ria]

Oh.

[Grant Ellis]

But I feel like a lot of his performance is, like, running and, like, how much stage room is there to run around?

[Dylan Efron]

Like, maybe he wouldn't run so much performance.

[Grant Ellis]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Yeah. But think about, like, he could put himself on video.

[Grant Ellis]

Yeah.

[Ria]

And, like, make, you know.

[Grant Ellis]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

I would imagine Harry would have some amazing visuals.

[Ria]

Oh, they would come up with.

[Dylan Efron]

Maybe he would play some of his music videos.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

So the cool music video.

[Ria]

That would be very cool.

[Dylan Efron]

To adore you alongside video.

[Ria]

Yeah. To, like, play some on the. On the screens. Oh. I mean, that's gonna get me. I know we were joking not that long ago about how it's like, fish, Grateful Dead. That's like everything.

[Dylan Efron]

That's Backstreet Boys.

[Ria]

Yeah. Like, Harry Styles will get me to the Sphere, no questions asked. 100. I will. I'll spend the dollars.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah. I mean, this is just so cool. I really just got chills all over my body when I read this, because literally, like you said, we had just been talking about how. What's. What would be the show. And, I mean, we talk about all the dream shows all the time. I mean, my dream show still is Miley Cyrus, like, doing, you know, the whole thing. Doing an era's Miley Cyrus. And if she did a residency at the Sphere, I'd be there. But Harry Styles at the Sphere. Oh, my God. I'm already on my way. Yeah, I'll camp outside right now.

[Ria]

Seriously. And I think he might be putting. I know there's a lot of rumors floating around about new music for him.

[Grant Ellis]

I was just thinking, it's been like, three years.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah. I mean, he just ran a marathon.

[Ria]

In Japan in a great time. Also.

[Dylan Efron]

Congrats to him.

[Ria]

He can really do it all.

[Dylan Efron]

He's in great shape. Well, I mean, it probably prepares you when you're running around on stage for three years straight.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

You get that stamina up. You can probably. You're like, I'm gonna run this marathon easy.

[Ria]

Right? He's like, no training involved. I'm just gonna run the Tokyo Marathon.

[Dylan Efron]

Right. I'm just gonna hop on because I just ran across the. For how many shows now? I could just do this.

[Ria]

I can't imagine, like, imagine you're running a marathon. You're. You're. You're thriving. You're struggling. At the same time, you're doing all these things. You're feeling all the emotions you do when one runs a marathon. I don't know what those emotions are like. And you turn to your left, you.

[Grant Ellis]

Might be listening to Harry, and you.

[Ria]

Just see Harry Styles running beside you. I'd be like. Cause it's like nobody even really knew he was doing that. It was just like, bam. Here he is running the Tokyo Marathon.

[Dylan Efron]

You're listening to the Fine Line album.

[Grant Ellis]

Statistically speaking, someone in that marathon was listening to Harry Styles.

[Ria]

Oh, 100.

[Grant Ellis]

And they just see him.

[Dylan Efron]

They're. They're listening the Fine Line album from beginning to end to get them through the, you know, however many minutes. And then you see Harry running past you, and you probably feel like, you're hallucinating.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

And you're like. Because you. You know, you're running so much, you're like, am I. Am I so out of breath that I'm hallucinating? Harry Styles running.

[Ria]

That guy just really look like Harry.

[Dylan Efron]

Styles, like, and then. And then you're off your game.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

And Harry's far ahead of you in the marathon, and your game's all messed up because now you're wondering, is that Harry next to me? Yeah, you. Your. Your pace slows down. You're texting your friends. Harry running the marathon, very, very losing.

[Ria]

You've lost well, that you're just running after at that point.

[Grant Ellis]

I feel like people in their prime, like Harry, though, like, don't usually do a Vegas residency. Like, he's like. You know what I'm saying?

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ria]

No, I. Historically, residencies are for.

[Grant Ellis]

Not, like, out of there. Like, Adele is still like.

[Ria]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, Adele is young.

[Grant Ellis]

No, she is. But it just seems like it's an interesting move. I would almost say, like, kind of random. I'm. I'm all right.

[Ria]

That's kind of what the Sphere was, like, made for.

[Grant Ellis]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

You know, I feel like the Sphere is sort of random.

[Ria]

Yeah, it certainly is.

[Dylan Efron]

Like, I don't think it necessarily is.

[Ria]

It doesn't feel Vegas.

[Dylan Efron]

Vegas residency.

[Ria]

Right. Like, you're not, like, going to a hotel or casino and going to watch.

[Dylan Efron]

Didn't John Summit just perform at the Sphere?

[Grant Ellis]

I think he did, yeah.

[Ria]

Oh, did he? So.

[Dylan Efron]

And John Summit's, like, in his peak right now.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

So, yeah, I think the Sphere is kind of made for.

[Ria]

Right. Like, whoever wants to play at the Sphere. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Dylan Efron]

Oh, that's so sick. So happy for you, Harry.

[Ria]

We went to a restaurant for Gia's birthday to Vinyl Steak, and they have, like, this massive collection of vinyls and everything. They play it in the restaurant. And because it was Gia's birthday, they're like, yo, you can pick an album to play. And she got to, like, look through everything that they have, and very. You know what you would expect, like, rock and roll vibes. Like, all. There was no Taylor Swift was what she had initially, but they did have Harry's house. And we, like, listen to the whole thing in the restaurant. It's just. It's so good. I'm. I really am looking forward to, hopefully, a new album this year. I would.

[Dylan Efron]

I am looking forward to a new album because Harry's house really was not my favorite at all.

[Ria]

Yeah. And I. I loved Harry's house.

[Grant Ellis]

I love all three.

[Ria]

Yeah. I mean, they're all. Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah. I mean, the first one is also incredible too.

[Ria]

Yeah. So.

[Dylan Efron]

Well, congrats, Harry. We are rooting for this to be true. Because if it's not serious, imagine if.

[Ria]

They'Re like, nope, that was a lie. Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

Be quite disappointed.

[Ria]

Yeah, that would suck.

[Dylan Efron]

Dreams crushed. Moving on. Somewhere I Turned Pretty. The last season will air this upcoming July. You know, the final wrap to this show. It was weird summer not having it air this past summer. I think people missed out on that. You know, no season of the summer I Turned Pretty. It feels like it was terrible. It feels like a strange summer now. This summer we will be getting the last season and excited to see where this ends up. Well, you know, the books. People know. People know. But I didn't read the book, so I don't know.

[Ria]

Yeah, I do know.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah.

[Ria]

And it makes me more excited to watch because, you know, when it just gets. It gets the anticipation and it was so nice and it was like year after year, you knew it was coming and it sucked that we didn't get it last summer because I'm just dying to get the. The end and the way it all. The way it all wraps up and the things that happen. So I'm very excited for the third season. My favorite lately, I just get chills every time in the place with like the Taylor Swift song plays and you're just like, oh, my God, it's coming back.

[Dylan Efron]

My favorite lately is the talks about how fucking crazy it is that she really is bouncing back between two brothers.

[Ria]

Two brothers? Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

Like, yeah, you know, as a show, as a book, it's perfect. It's the perfect story. But people really love to put it.

[Ria]

Into, like, real life.

[Dylan Efron]

Things lately where it's like you sometimes it's just nice to pretend that things are. They're not real life. So we don't have to act like this is real life. People are like, it really is fucking crazy that she's just going back and forth between two brothers.

[Ria]

It is.

[Dylan Efron]

It's a crazy back and forth.

[Ria]

It definitely is like this, this wouldn't.

[Dylan Efron]

Fly in real life. But we don't have to act like it would because it's not. Not real life.

[Ria]

No. You'd be like, wait, I thought you loved him forever. Now you're gonna date his brother? Like, are you? Well, right.

[Dylan Efron]

No. People would seriously be checking in.

[Ria]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure it would. But honestly, seeing the announcement again, really, like, I think I gotta. I gotta do a re.

[Dylan Efron]

Watch for sure.

[Ria]

And I watched the first season, like, multiple times because when it first came out, I watched it so fast, and I was like, like six months later, I watched it again. And before the second season came out, and then the second season only watched once, so I think I had to do one and two over again.

[Dylan Efron]

I remember the first season that I watched. I was like, this is the worst, best show I've ever seen. Like, I, I, it was. It was bad, but so good. And. And that's the kind of TV show that is right up my alley. Absolutely. Like, that is the perfect show. I do have to do a rewatch for the second, though, because I kind of, like, yeah, watched and sort of forgot about it.

[Ria]

But July's gotta come back. I can't wait for, like, a. I need, like, a trailer. I can't wait for them to release a trailer. A trailer drop Taylor Swift song. Do you think they're gonna use?

[Dylan Efron]

Ooh, so High School.

[Ria]

Ooh, that's a good one.

[Dylan Efron]

I know. Something fun and bubbly.

[Ria]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

But if you were to go some of it moody. Yes. It would probably be a little bit more dramatic.

[Ria]

I'm trying to think. Sometimes they go. They go so moody. Maybe something from Midnights. I wonder if she, like. Or TTP day. Right. Like, really recent.

[Grant Ellis]

Maybe like, oh, what if it's a new one? Didn't she, like, maybe premiere?

[Dylan Efron]

Like, maybe she may make one just.

[Grant Ellis]

For the show, for the first season or something.

[Ria]

But Daddy, I love him. No.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Honestly now it's kind of hilarious to think of the show and just in context of.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Of Taylor Swift songs.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah. Still, high school might be too bubbly, but maybe it'll be in the show.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

You never know.

[Ria]

Yeah. Oh, there's so many good ones.

[Dylan Efron]

But then when we get two, I'm.

[Ria]

Gonna get you back.

[Dylan Efron]

Ooh, are we gonna do the.

[Grant Ellis]

Is it.

[Dylan Efron]

What is it called? Sound mixing?

[Ria]

Oh, for what?

[Dylan Efron]

Like picking the songs. Oh, oh, what's it called? Like, what's the correct.

[Grant Ellis]

Wait, for picking songs.

[Dylan Efron]

Like, when you are putting songs into a show or a movie Score.

[Ria]

The score. Score.

[Dylan Efron]

Yes. That's the word. I was.

[Ria]

We're not mixing any sounds.

[Dylan Efron]

Sorry. I knew that that was the word.

[Ria]

Close.

[Dylan Efron]

I was just working on the delay right now. We are.

[Ria]

We are.

[Dylan Efron]

We absolutely are working on a delay. The score. Yeah, we would be picking the score. Moving on, Kylie and Timothy. Timothy rocking, no stache now. Kylie grabbing his face, giving him some smooches and Club Chalamet. None too pleased, guys. None too pleased. Now, for those that don't know. Club Chalamet. We always joke about Club Chalamet because Club Chalamet is supposedly Timothy's biggest fan. But Club Chalamet also has a lot of to say about Timothy in his personal life. Quite often she does not approve of Kylie. She does not approve of Kylie and she posted all of these stories of guys like leaning away from a girl kissing them. Like, like being grossed out by a girl kissing them. Insinuating that's how Timothy would feel about Kylie. Now I think one thing needs to be made clear to Club Chalamet is that Timothee Chalamet really likes and possibly loves because they've been together for a few years now. Kylie Jenner.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

They are in a full blown relationship. He brings her everywhere, they do all the events together, they show each other lots of affection. They have a legit relationship.

[Ria]

Yep.

[Dylan Efron]

That Club Salome refuses to acknowledge is real.

[Ria]

She does.

[Dylan Efron]

If she was a true fan of Timmy, wouldn't she be happy for him? If he's happy?

[Ria]

Yeah. I don't. What, no, not.

[Grant Ellis]

What is her reasoning?

[Ria]

It's. I, I think it's just the, you know, reputation of the family.

[Grant Ellis]

I think because she was fine with like his past girlfriends.

[Ria]

Well, I actually, I don't know. I, I, Club Shall Be really only came on the scene for me during this Kylie era. I don't know what she was like during the previous.

[Dylan Efron]

Right.

[Ria]

Relationship.

[Dylan Efron]

The Lily Rose Dep era, the Isaac Gonzalez make out. Who knows?

[Ria]

But I'm sure she didn't approve of those.

[Dylan Efron]

I think Club Chalamet won't approve unless it's her, you know, like I think Club Chalamet also will have a problem.

[Ria]

Club Chalamet is definitely an older woman.

[Dylan Efron]

Club Chalamet is an older woman because she had that post.

[Ria]

I mean this is. She has a picture of her face.

[Dylan Efron]

On and she had that very bad 911 post. Yes, yes.

[Grant Ellis]

I don't remember that.

[Dylan Efron]

I don't remember it exactly. But it was something along the lines of her talking about getting offered a job in the building and not taking it. And so people were like, oh, she was old enough to be where. That's how people figured out her age was from that post. I think it was either this past September or the September prior when she posted about it. But it was a string. It was a sort of an insensitive post where she was like, I wasn't there because I didn't take the job sort of thing.

[Ria]

Because this post is from December 11, 2023 and it is her face with Timmy that she went to the La Wonka program.

[Dylan Efron]

Can I see?

[Ria]

And I've actually never wanted to see her face. It's pinned to her profile.

[Dylan Efron]

I've never.

[Ria]

Yeah, I mean, that's her.

[Dylan Efron]

Yes.

[Ria]

Yep. So she posted pictures of Timmy at the tennis. Kylie's obviously not in them. Now that all the reshoots for Marty supreme is complete and that crummy award season is over, Timothy was spotted at Indian Wells watching tennis. Life goes on. That was her caption. That was her caption. But literally, it's like, look at how these, like, look at how these pictures are.

[Dylan Efron]

She cut some. I mean, being. Being of that grown age.

[Ria]

She's got her own logo.

[Dylan Efron]

Being of that grown age and enacting.

[Grant Ellis]

Double C, probably cool.

[Dylan Efron]

And acting the way she does towards Timothy and his relationship.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

Is a bit worrisome.

[Grant Ellis]

I would buy Club Chalamet merch. Like, if she had merch, I would buy it.

[Dylan Efron]

You just join the club.

[Grant Ellis]

You're like, that'd be pretty sick. Club Chalamet.

[Dylan Efron]

Club Chalamet. It's a good name.

[Ria]

Yeah, it's good.

[Dylan Efron]

Club Chalamet is a good fan page name.

[Ria]

Right. It's be good for, like, if Timmy did his own, you know, his own.

[Dylan Efron]

Right. If Timothy was, like, joined Club Chalamet.

[Ria]

She probably has it trademarked for sure, for my guess. So, yeah, like, literally, she posted three stories of, like, women grabbing, like, men's face and, like, trying to kiss them and the man, like, not wanting the advance so far. And then she did post the picture of Kylie and she put a Slurpee emoji over her face like, it's just a Slurpee, and wrote, now imagine if the roles were reversed. You would feel differently, wouldn't you? Like, if a guy was doing that to a girl, it's like, well, they're in a relationship.

[Dylan Efron]

They're in a relationship. What the fuck do you mean, they're in a relationship?

[Ria]

They're dating. It's okay. They're in love.

[Dylan Efron]

I. I would go as far as to say they are in love.

[Ria]

And she was just giving him little. Little kissies.

[Dylan Efron]

They're allowed to kiss.

[Ria]

Yeah. And yes, maybe in that moment, he wasn't, like, making out with her back, but, like, it was. She was just giving him a little smoochie.

[Dylan Efron]

She was giving him a smooch. He was feeling the love. She gave him a smooch.

[Ria]

Yep.

[Dylan Efron]

God. God. You know, it's really fucking insane. It's actually insane.

[Ria]

Yeah, it is.

[Dylan Efron]

It's concerning sometimes.

[Ria]

I'M like, should we be talking about her? You know?

[Dylan Efron]

No. Right. And then. Right.

[Ria]

And then. It's just. It's. Sometimes it's hard. It's. It's just the first thing I see.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah.

[Grant Ellis]

If she's so obsessed with him, like, and obviously she'd probably, like, one day want to meet him. It's like, you've ruined this chance for yourself. Like.

[Dylan Efron]

Well, they have. They were just together later at the premiere.

[Ria]

But that was 2023.

[Grant Ellis]

Oh.

[Ria]

But, yeah, she went to the premiere. I should. I believe she. She snapped a selfie with it. I think there's other events she may have been. She's already met. She's not like. Yeah. I don't know if they sat down and had a conversation, but. By the way, there's no way Timmy doesn't know about Club Chalamet.

[Dylan Efron]

Timmy knows who Club Shall.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Grant Ellis]

Didn't they make a joke on snl?

[Ria]

He's online. Oh, I don't know.

[Grant Ellis]

Did they maybe not like the episode that he hosted, but I feel like I remember that. Maybe.

[Ria]

I don't know, but I, I. There's. He is aware of, like, I feel like he's aware of online things. There's no way he doesn't know about Club Shami.

[Dylan Efron]

It's really just concerning. It's.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

It really makes me stop in my tracks. That post really just made me stop in my tracks.

[Ria]

Yep.

[Dylan Efron]

Like, Kylie can't just give him a little kiss, a little smooch.

[Ria]

I know. Meanwhile, everybody else saw the pictures and we're like, oh, so sweet.

[Dylan Efron]

It is sweet. I really love their relationship.

[Ria]

I love that they did a little chicken. Indian Wells.

[Dylan Efron]

Well, speaking of Indian Wells, that's where Matt was playing against Djokovic, which is insane. I mean, one of the best tennis players in the world ever. Literally ever. I will preview the video. It's insane.

[Ria]

Yeah, it's great.

[Dylan Efron]

Like, it's. I'm so happy for Matt. Like, truly just incredible. Like, really actually insane.

[Ria]

And he really, like, looked like a professional tennis player. Let me tell you. When he had. He had the bag on his back with the racket signing and. And fans were autographs, everything. Like, I was like, he really looks like a famous tennis player. He does.

[Dylan Efron]

He looks the part. He plays the part. We. He came because he was doing this on Wednesday, and we got to Turks and Caicos on Wednesday. He came in Thursday morning. So me, Fran and Joe were watching these videos he was sending me of signing all these tennis balls, people taking.

[Grant Ellis]

Selfies with him with tennis.

[Dylan Efron]

He. He Gave me the tennis ball. He tossed me the tennis ball. I was like, I'm keeping this.

[Ria]

It's just so funny, too. It's like thinking about the fans that you. You know, at tennis matches, they get the giant tennis balls, and then they have people sign all over the tennis ball. And just thinking about the fan that's gonna have that giant tennis ball and all over, it's gonna have all these signatures, and then right. Right smack dab on there, it's just gonna be like, Marty Mosh.

[Dylan Efron]

Marty much. But Fran and I were saying he should. His tennis. He should go by Matt Cahill for tennis.

[Ria]

I said, he should have signed.

[Dylan Efron]

He should go by his real name.

[Ria]

Matt Cahill to be like, Matt Cahill, famous tennis player.

[Dylan Efron]

Right.

[Ria]

Because Matt Cahill sounds like he's good at tennis.

[Grant Ellis]

Right?

[Dylan Efron]

Exactly. Marty Mush. They're like, oh, who's this funny tennis Persona? It's like, go. Go by your real name for tennis. And, you know, who knows what's to happen? But the videos were so fucking funny, so good and seriously amazing when it comes out. Everyone has to watch that. Like, I truly know where it's so happy for him. But, you know, Kylie and Timothy weren't able to see that.

[Ria]

They didn't miss that. Yeah, they were.

[Dylan Efron]

They missed that match.

[Ria]

They missed that moment. Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

Imagine all of a sudden, it's like he looks up in the crowd, and so Timothy and Kylie, they're, like, up.

[Ria]

On their feet cheering for him.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah. They're like, matt Kale, I want your signature.

[Ria]

Big fan.

[Dylan Efron]

Big fan. It was so cool. Moving on. Super awkward, to be completely honest. Blake Lively and Anna Kendrick. I actually almost said Anna Kendrick like you did before.

[Ria]

Yeah. I don't know why I did that.

[Dylan Efron]

We were talking before and Fran said Anna Kendrick, and now it's. Now it's coming off my tongue.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

As Anna as well. But they were doing press for another similar Frozen. Yeah, go away, Anna. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were doing press for another simple favor, and someone asked Anna Kendrick, what's it like working with Blake Lively? And she said, oh, you know.

[Ria]

Not.

[Dylan Efron]

A good response for Blake Lively. Just an actually bad response for Blake Lively.

[Ria]

Right. It's. But it's tough. Like, if you're Anna Kendrick, what do you. What do you say? You're just, like, great. Like, I don't like. It's just a. It feels like a lose, lose. Because any question she is asked, it's gonna be absolutely torn apart in every direction. People are either gonna love it or hate it. Probably hate. Because if it's anything positive about, like, people are gonna hate it. And then you're just like, what do you do? What do you say? It's like. And then you're also promoting a movie that you're both in, so. And you want the movie to do well, so you can't just be like, ah, sucks. And then, like, all the people online be like, yeah. She said it's like, no, no.

[Dylan Efron]

The last place Anna Kendrick wanted to be in the world was that premiere. Let's be honest. Like, that she did the. When she was getting asked these questions, she got asked a question.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

You know, how do you feel everything that's going on in the world and everything. She was like, I took an ayahuasca trip. What happened? And then she walked away. Like, yeah, it was. There it is just. I think Anna Kendrick, you know, she.

[Ria]

Was hard to navigate.

[Dylan Efron]

Hard to navigate. She was in her best on that carpet. And Blake Lively acting like, all is fine.

[Ria]

It's just tough because there was a lot of tiktoks that made. That were made of, like, the same question being asked to both of them back to back. So it was like, what's Blake like? What's it like working with Anna again? She was like, oh, amazing. And it was like, blake, what's it like? I mean, Anna, what's like, we're with Blake again? Oh, you know?

[Grant Ellis]

But it was also the way she said she's like, oh, you know.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ria]

Oh, you know. Yeah, right. It was.

[Dylan Efron]

Do you either just ignore the question?

[Ria]

Yeah, exactly. It's a very tough situation to be in. And honestly, every little thing about. We haven't talked about it in a while. Cause there's just been, like, a lot of legal updates and things. And this person wants this dismissed and that dismissed and more whatever on. It's gonna be ongoing for quite some time, which we have said. But she is gonna get. Blake is gonna get torn apart. For every. Every little thing. I saw one tweet that was like, oh, gosh. It was just something about being, like, her, like, ego, egotistical. It's just, like, big words to really talk about the fact that she had a. What they thought was an outfit change for the. For the carpet. And somebody retweeted. It was like, you know, the hate for Blake is real when they're. When they're throwing out these words for literally a woman taking off her jacket on the carpet. There was just a jacket that was over. That was over her dress. But, no, she's getting crushed. And Paul Feig Fike. Fiq. Feig. I'm gonna go with Feig.

[Dylan Efron]

F, E, I G. Yeah.

[Ria]

The director. You would pronounce the director of the movie this person on. On Twitter. Melanie King, who had. Who's had a lot to say about Blake. Very anti Blake wrote Blake Lively and Anna Kendrick before they walk the red carpet at the south by west, south by Southwest. Another Simple Favor premiere. It was a picture of the whole cast. They were taking a selfie. I just reported on Blake being terrified to walk the carpet as Anna is pissed and never wants to work with her again. Laughy face emoji. And Paul retweeted that and wrote, you're wrong. So I feel like it's been tough for people to either. It's like they either say the wrong thing or they don't say something, or they want to say something, and then they don't want to say something, and it's tough. It's going to be. It's going to be a tough movie for them to promote.

[Dylan Efron]

It is. It's going to be a long promotion, and I'd imagine Anna Kendrick wants this movie just to come out and really not be a part of any more. Any more promotion going forward. Yeah, it's just a. It's just a premiere.

[Ria]

It's like, you got to be at the premieres.

[Dylan Efron]

You want people to watch the movie.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

You do a movie, watch it.

[Ria]

Yeah. They can obviously do press separately if that's how it goes. But they're really. It's gonna be tough to feel like the premieres when they're walking the carpet together and everything. Did they take any pictures together?

[Dylan Efron]

Well, they did take pictures together. I feel like Blake didn't stuff Anna Kendrick in the basement.

[Ria]

Right. Also true. Well, I just feel like Anna's like, this is not my fight. Like, me, we're good.

[Dylan Efron]

You know, you're kind of like, let me just. Well, I mean, there were rumors about Anna Kendrick and Blake Lively not getting along in the first Simple Favor.

[Ria]

Wasn't that more about Anna?

[Dylan Efron]

I think it was just. They equally just didn't get it. I don't. You never know when people talk about the stuff on set, but because I.

[Ria]

I Like, we had Anna Kendrick in here. I loved her. I thought she was.

[Dylan Efron]

Well, I loved her, too, but maybe.

[Ria]

But there's There. There has been rumors about her being.

[Dylan Efron]

Tough for years, but maybe that was Blake's camp putting it out about Anna before Anna. No, even.

[Ria]

I'm saying before that. Not during this time. Like, I'm saying way, like Way before that. So I didn't like. I thought Anna was awesome when we had.

[Dylan Efron]

She was incredible. She was one of my favorite guests we've ever had.

[Ria]

Yeah. Yeah, she was really, really.

[Dylan Efron]

Did she get her back in and talk a simple.

[Ria]

Yeah, we should. I wonder if it'd be interesting if they're like, that's something. I see publicists being like, hey, we really don't wanna.

[Dylan Efron]

We're not gonna talk about this.

[Ria]

We're not gonna talk about you. No Blake questions.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah. Oh, for sure. No Blake questions.

[Ria]

I mean you're in the context of Blake and Justin.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, I mean you're gonna wanna. You're doing that movie. You're Anna Kendrick. You don't wanna go into an interview and have everyone just ask you about that. I'm in this movie. I'm an actress, also a director. Now ask me about myself. We don't have to fucking talk about this.

[Ria]

Totally.

[Dylan Efron]

That you're going to set some boundaries on that. And yeah, I think that wraps up the topics. We'll see what happens with. I. I will watch the movie. You know, trailer look good. I really watched it.

[Ria]

The trailer.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, I really liked the first one. And a Beautiful scenery.

[Ria]

Good. Yeah, I'm not going to. I'm not opposed to watching a movie and copies. It looks stunning for sure.

[Dylan Efron]

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[Ria]

Absolutely. I agree.

[Dylan Efron]

I didn't need any more drama than that.

[Ria]

It was good because it really did feel like the traitors did just kind of turn on each other the whole season. And the faithfuls really stayed faithful and loyal to each other, which was like a storybook ending, really. It's like once the traitors, like, showed themselves or played their cards and everybody could see it was the faithfuls like, okay, we got you.

[Dylan Efron]

It was quite beautiful. I really.

[Ria]

It was. I thought it was a solid. I loved seeing them share that moment. I did too.

[Dylan Efron]

I was so happy for them. Especially like, oh, congratulations to Gabby and Robbie, who are married, by the way. That was so cool when you talk about Gabby said, maybe we'll get married. And now they're married, which is so cute. So they are, they are the cutest and so funny together. Absolutely. Love. So, so happy for Gabby. Congratulations. And then just like Dolores, Dylan, Iver, it's like, it's a great group of people to win. So congratulations to all them. A solid A all around for Traders. Fantastic season.

[Ria]

It really was. And I thought the reunion was good too. Yeah, it was. It was good, you know, the, the, you know this. But Thursday night when we came home, I was like, I gotta back to the hotel. I was like, I got. I put my VPN on to watch the episode. And when Joe was out on the balcony and when Brittany flipped and it said Danielle, I literally, I yelled, oh, fuck. And he, like, threw the door open and was like, oh, my God, are you okay? Like, so worried for me. And I was like, Then he looked at, he looked at where I was on the bed with my iPad in my lap. And he goes, oh, my God. Was it the traitors? I was like, yeah, sorry. He, like, looked at me, didn't say, we're just close the door again.

[Dylan Efron]

Big moment. Big. It warranted. It warranted the almost full blown scream. Yeah. Warranted the reaction. It was insane. Incredible television.

[Ria]

I love the reunion, too. It was fun. I love that Andy Cohen does the reunion.

[Dylan Efron]

Oh, it's. I mean, who else would do a better reunion?

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Grant Ellis]

I like that he called out Dolores, like, immediately. He's like, you got eight out of ten votes wrong.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah. Like, just comfortable with Dolores.

[Ria]

It is. And I just love. I just love Dolores. So no matter. Like, even though that was the way it went for her when she was talking to Carolyn and she was like. And you're like number seven, like, so serious. Like, you're like number seven on Cameo right now. That's huge.

[Dylan Efron]

Like, Dolores is so sweet, though.

[Ria]

So sweet. I love her. I really do. It's. You know, there's some silly parts. I felt like the housewives do try and stir it up a little bit, and it's like, fine.

[Dylan Efron]

Right.

[Ria]

But I thought it was.

[Dylan Efron]

That's their forte.

[Ria]

Yeah, it is.

[Dylan Efron]

Summer House. I will give, like, a B minus. Just the same old, you know, Kyle.

[Ria]

Kyle. Song and dance.

[Dylan Efron]

Fighting with Paige and.

[Ria]

Yep. Fighting with somebody.

[Dylan Efron]

Fighting with somebody. He's always fighting with somebody. And then, you know, Amanda has to answer for her husband.

[Ria]

We're all supposed to feel bad for him.

[Dylan Efron]

Right. And it's. I never do and. But yeah, whatever. Yeah. I watched Juror number two on the plane ride home, and I would give it a C plus. I thought it was good, but I thought it could have been more.

[Ria]

No, only for a little bit.

[Dylan Efron]

No, I really. On a plane.

[Ria]

No, I just was in a plane. I think it would move even slower because I thought it was, you know.

[Dylan Efron]

But I saw a lot of it. Fell asleep a little bit in the middle, but I still saw a lot of. Was good. I just felt like they could have done more with it. Like, I liked the premise of it.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

But I thought it was a little slow.

[Ria]

It definitely was.

[Dylan Efron]

Hence, I fell asleep a little bit. Definitely. Also, I watched Conclave on the way there and fell asleep.

[Ria]

Also warranted.

[Grant Ellis]

Maybe you shouldn't watch movies on a plane.

[Dylan Efron]

Here's the thing.

[Ria]

45 minutes of conclave moved pretty slow.

[Dylan Efron]

I actually don't usually sleep on planes.

[Ria]

I'm not gonna lie. I dozed off a little watching the first.

[Dylan Efron]

I was So I kind of was bummed that I fell asleep on the Way there. So I can't really. I can't grade it because I fully fell asleep.

[Ria]

It looked like the Pope was participating in some Ash Wednesday activities.

[Dylan Efron]

And that's it.

[Ria]

Yeah. My weekly watch report this week is, like, things that I want to watch but haven't watched.

[Dylan Efron]

Right.

[Ria]

I have a whole.

[Dylan Efron]

I actually was going to come with a list of things.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

Oh, I watched the White Lotus.

[Ria]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Grant Ellis]

Oh, yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

I have to be completely honest. Like, I am. I am bored.

[Ria]

I actually liked this episode the most.

[Dylan Efron]

I mean. Yeah, it was the most. I think it's hard to, like. I know it's picking up.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

And so I don't hate it. I don't dislike it. It's just not. As the other seasons, I feel, like, picked up a little bit more, a little bit quicker. This last night's episode, I think, picked up the most. And so we're obviously on to something here. I'll give it a B. It's just still a little bit slow.

[Ria]

Yeah, definitely.

[Dylan Efron]

But I do enjoy the dynamics of each group.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

Like, I. I really do enjoy all the group dynamics, but I'm. I'm the. The ending of this episode, I'm like, what's gonna happen at this. At this moon party next week? So with that, the ending did get me.

[Ria]

Yeah. Though the writing. The writing is just so good that I was like. I was real. I had some LOL moments where I was like, parker Posey has been so, so good. She is so. Every time she opens her mouth, I laugh. No, it's so good.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, she's really good. I mean, the group of three women. Hilarious. I mean, all of the dynamics are great, and the writing is really, really good.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

I'm just like.

[Ria]

Yep.

[Dylan Efron]

You know, there were a couple things this episode where things happened, but I want something big.

[Grant Ellis]

This season is different because a lot of it is, like, happening outside of the White Lotus. Like, in terms of the dad. Like, all that drama is, like, not happening inside. Like, we don't even know what's going on. Right.

[Dylan Efron]

I think that's why I'm like. But I will say theme song grew on me. I'm really feeling the theme song. Yeah.

[Ria]

And they threw the OG in there towards the end.

[Dylan Efron]

Yes.

[Ria]

The end of the episode. They put the original, like. Yeah. Which was. Which was great. I would give it a B as well. I'd actually give it a B plus White Lotus. Yeah. I'm very intrigued. The full moon party's gonna be epic. Yeah. Yeah. Just the scenery is incredible.

[Dylan Efron]

Oh, yeah.

[Ria]

It's visuals of that boat going through the water with the islands and the. Oh my God, it looked stunning. But like there was, I was cracking up one when the ladies went to the other hotel and was like all old people and she was like, like disgusted by all these, by the older people. And yeah, I, I, the, the dad like getting the gun. I was like, like there's just like all the little things are starting to line up. For sure.

[Dylan Efron]

It's gonna pick up next week.

[Ria]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gary Greg's identity being kind of unveiled and having that happen to putting those, putting those pieces together, it's all gonna be very interesting. I have so much that I want to watch. Haven't watched like we were on vacation, but I watched My Fault London.

[Dylan Efron]

So did I.

[Ria]

So did I. I watched My Fault London, which I've gotten a ton of DMS about of people being like, Fred, you gotta watch his movies. Right up your alley.

[Dylan Efron]

It was same.

[Ria]

It absolutely was.

[Dylan Efron]

I loved it, actually. I watched it and then you were like, I'm watching My Fault London. I was like, oh, I watched it and you were like, oh my God, we didn't even talk about it. I watched, I cozied on UP on Monday or Tuesday night and I watched it.

[Ria]

I'd give it a B. Like I enjoy, like it was, it's obviously silly, but I enjoyed it.

[Dylan Efron]

Very silly, but enjoyed it. And also London, you know, anything like you sell me with anything with London.

[Ria]

Yep, yep, yep. And like, yeah, the whole ass. The whole premise was wild.

[Dylan Efron]

But when I first saw the premise, I was like, oh boy.

[Ria]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Dylan Efron]

Mm.

[Ria]

And it just kills you when that like happens and the parents are like, oh, like yes, run under your noses. They're getting pretty close, don't you think?

[Dylan Efron]

Right, right.

[Ria]

Your son just risked his life, he got stabbed.

[Dylan Efron]

Uh huh.

[Ria]

For your daughter. You don't think maybe his little stuff and like they're like, oh my God, they must just really have siblings.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah. Y. And then you're like, I don't know about that one. Right, right.

[Ria]

He's speeding off to save like he, he seemed pretty fucking upset, you know, I did, I did very much, I did very much enjoy it for sure. And I watched 2 and 3, episode 2 and 3 of Paradise. I know that it's over, right?

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, yeah.

[Grant Ellis]

Well, season one.

[Ria]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It got renewed. But I'm really liking it, honestly. It's giving me that, that ABC vibe of those shows like Scandal Revenge, those shows which I loved. It has that same kind of feel. I'M a little iffy on the constant timeline jumps.

[Grant Ellis]

It's hard to find.

[Ria]

Like, it's. Yeah. Like, I look down for two seconds, all of a sudden it's 12 years ago. I'm like, what time? Where are we? You know, where it goes back and. But it is. It's good.

[Grant Ellis]

I. I hope I don't deter you with my finale review.

[Ria]

Oh, well, you won't. You won't, you won't, because I. Now I'm locked in.

[Grant Ellis]

You have to look forward to seven.

[Ria]

Well, so now I'm locked in. I need to know what happens, you know? Like, I need to know what. What is going down. So two and three, I'll give a B plus. I enjoyed it. I thought it was good. I think I just watched episode three, this week of Severance, Season two. Episode three. It was. It was like last Monday night. So it's not super fresh in my brain. I would. I can't even really fully remember what happened, to be honest, if we're gonna be there, so. Gosh, I don't even really remember what happened.

[Grant Ellis]

Well, clearly you loved it.

[Ria]

Yeah. I just remember seeing people talk about season four, so. I mean, season four, episode four. So the whole time I kept thinking, like, oh, I wonder what's gonna happen in episode four. I was just kind of like, watching episode three, and. Oh, wait. Just kidding. It's coming back to me now. He's. He's getting all reprogrammed the end of episode three. I thought that was very. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought that was very interesting. I. It isn't. It's another show that's like an anticipation thing. It's like, come on, what's gonna. You know, and. Which doesn't make me feel confident the way Noah's been talking about it either.

[Grant Ellis]

But I'm not the.

[Ria]

I'll give that. I'll give that a. I'll give that a B. Episode three. And I watched. I gotta finish Love is Blind. I can't believe I haven't even seen any spoilers yet, which is shocking. I'm sure I will very quickly. I watched Ocean's Eleven on the plane home. It was really just in the casino mindset, you know, really good.

[Grant Ellis]

Are they making another. Did I see that? Oh, are they with the original cast, or am I making that up?

[Ria]

I feel like that would have been bigger news if they were bringing the original cast back together.

[Dylan Efron]

I didn't see that.

[Grant Ellis]

Yeah. I mean, this says. Yeah, they're talking about it. George Clooney says new Ocean's film Is about the gang being too old to do the jobs.

[Dylan Efron]

Oh, damn.

[Ria]

It's an interesting way to go about it. It's like, oh, we're making a movie that we're washed up.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah.

[Ria]

That'S a. That's an A movie. That's a really. It's a fantastic movie. And to be honest, I see, like, bits and pieces of it, but I don't know. I can't remember the last time I sat down and watched it start to finish.

[Dylan Efron]

We talked about it, because when I said I watched it, you were like, I don't know if I have.

[Ria]

I don't know if I. Yeah, so I enjoyed it. It really made me want to watch the rest. Yeah, I'm gonna have to do that.

[Dylan Efron]

Yep.

[Ria]

I definitely have not seen 12 or 13.

[Dylan Efron]

12 is great.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Grant Ellis]

13'S awesome, too.

[Dylan Efron]

And 13, I think all of.

[Grant Ellis]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Grant Ellis]

I think it. If I had to order it, it'd probably be. I don't even remember 12 that much. It'd be like 11. 13.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

Maybe 13 is what I'm talking about.

[Ria]

Maybe that's it for me.

[Grant Ellis]

Okay. The White Lotus, just for the last two episodes, I'll give it B minus. Like, I actually am enjoying it, but it is slow. And it's hard to not compare to the last two seasons where, like, at this point, for sure, it was more locking you in.

[Dylan Efron]

It's always enjoyable. It's just not every season is gonna be, like, right off the bat.

[Grant Ellis]

A lot of the season is just, like, feeding you anxiety. I feel like with this dad and everything, where it's, like, hard to not feel that way, where I'm like, jesus Christ.

[Ria]

You know? What's funny is I watch with. I, like, watch everything with the subtitles. And the White Lotus really can just be summed up as every few minutes, it just says, suspenseful music plays like, that's the all. And it comes up every time. It was like. And especially this episode, it was like, suspenseful music. Suspenseful music. Eerie music. Suspenseful music.

[Grant Ellis]

I like how the youngest brother has no backbone. Like, she's like, please be there for me tonight. Like, I need you at dinner. And then, like, five minutes later, oh, yeah, I'm going to this party.

[Ria]

Well, he's just following Saxon, you know?

[Dylan Efron]

I mean, they're really heavy on the here, no evil, speak no evil, see no evil. Yeah, like, that's. That's heavy. Heavily influenced, especially. They legitimately pan to the monkey. The.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

Of it right after the scene of that family. So who knows what's gonna Happen.

[Ria]

The writing for Saxon is out of this world.

[Dylan Efron]

It's crazy.

[Ria]

The. When he had the. It was the, you know, vulgar. The. The cumb line.

[Dylan Efron]

I was like, no, I mean, there's some. There's some crazy lines. I mean, when it. And then it. They showed the monkeys with the, you know, here. No evil.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

And then Amy Lou Wood had a line where she said something like. Something in threes. She was like, threes are always. And I was like, okay, these three siblings are gonna have a threesome.

[Ria]

Yes.

[Dylan Efron]

That's like, there's gonna. Some things that's gonna happen with these three siblings together.

[Ria]

I don't know about. I don't know about her. She feels out of it.

[Grant Ellis]

She's gonna hook up with that.

[Ria]

But the two of the brothers.

[Dylan Efron]

No, but the girl, I think is. I think Piper is interested in Locke. Like, I think. I think Piper likes the younger brother.

[Ria]

I don't know. I don't know. I think Piper's like, you guys are gross. Y. I don't know. We'll see. That was. Yeah, the Jo's. That gun looked pretty small. Perfect for a monkey.

[Grant Ellis]

Could be paradise finale. I'll give a C plus. Like, it just fell off a cliff for me after episode seven, which I knew it wasn't gonna be as good as that, but.

[Ria]

How many episodes was it?

[Grant Ellis]

Eight.

[Ria]

Okay.

[Grant Ellis]

Oh, okay. But it just.

[Ria]

The finale was a bunch of things.

[Grant Ellis]

That were just so ridiculous in this finale, and it kind of just seemed, like, thrown together and being like, oh, well, we have a season two. But, yeah.

[Fran]

I don't know.

[Grant Ellis]

I did not like how they wrapped it up. And, like, it just felt way cornier all of a sudden, where, like, seven was incredible, and then eight is just like, what the fuck?

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Grant Ellis]

Which I was just wonder. I've been Paradise's biggest.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, you could still be the biggest.

[Ria]

I. I hope that I did see that. I think that they're gonna air the episodes on ABC now.

[Grant Ellis]

I feel like that. I don't know why, but I feel like that's gonna make the show worse.

[Ria]

I mean, they're, like, airing it on all this. It's who. I mean, it's all. It's all Disney. So.

[Grant Ellis]

Yeah.

[Ria]

What's. You know?

[Grant Ellis]

I don't know. I'll get that. I watched the Apprentice. The movie. Donald Trump movie. Very good.

[Ria]

Very good. Right?

[Grant Ellis]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Grant Ellis]

Jeremy Strong is incredible.

[Ria]

He's so good.

[Dylan Efron]

Jeremy Strong, you know, he's just a great actor.

[Ria]

But.

[Dylan Efron]

But him as a person, you know, when they panned him at that awards it's like, I really do want to know how he is as a person in real life.

[Grant Ellis]

And the thing that people were saying, which I guess to a degree is true, and I love Kieran Culkin and Real Pain. Real Pain was my favorite movies of the year. But, like, Kieran Culkin is kind of always just, like, playing himself in a way, like. Or the same type of character. Jeremy Strong is, like, transforming his. Himself. And, like, you don't even see him in this, really. And yeah, it is tough because you're like, damn, he probably put a lot into this. And.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, for sure.

[Grant Ellis]

But very good. And Sebastian Stan was really good. So I'll give that a B plus Traders. I'll give it. I'll give an A minus just because I'm happy. Like, I. I was like. I audibly was like, let's fucking go. When Daniel got. But having no drama at the end, it was nice because I'm like, oh, they did it. But part of me was like, after season two.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Grant Ellis]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

I felt like they had enough drama throughout the season that the ending was, like, nice.

[Ria]

I think that that, that turn from Brittany was enough also.

[Grant Ellis]

They did build it up enough where I actually thought that Dolores was gonna fuck it up again. Severance, this past episode. It's a C and I'm being generous because I just felt it's a C and I don't want people. I could have given it in the D range and people would have come out after me. This must have been eight. Yeah, this was eight. Eight guys. I just don't know. And I'm starting to see at least some other people online, starting to say, like, can we. Can we say this is not great? Or are people gonna, like, attack us? Because.

[Ria]

Yeah, right.

[Grant Ellis]

Which is true. People are gonna come after you. But it's just so boring. I don't know what else to say. Yeah. Was Patricia Arquette only about her? It's as if the show is just about her. I don't know. Maybe five words the entire show were spoken. Like, I just. It was just so bad.

[Dylan Efron]

You just don't understand the art.

[Grant Ellis]

No, that's what people are gonna say.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Grant Ellis]

Yeah. I mean, already I know that the show is not like my cup of tea. Like, there are episodes that I'm like, wow, this is cool. But this episode, I just fair. I don't know, man. I don't know.

[Ria]

Fair.

[Grant Ellis]

And then I watched the first episode of the Celtics documentary on Max.

[Ria]

Yep.

[Grant Ellis]

Really fucking good. And I know that if I say, oh, you don't have to be a Celtics fan to, like. It's really well done. They get every single Celtic you could imagine. He's. They're in this. They got everyone. It's awesome. But I know that no one who's. If you're not Celtics fans, you're probably not gonna watch.

[Ria]

I would. I sounds my worst nightmare.

[Grant Ellis]

It's really cool, though.

[Ria]

No, I get it. I just can't stand this, you know, like.

[Grant Ellis]

But that's an A for me.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Grant Ellis]

Like, I'm excited for that. It comes out on Monday, so that's all wonderful.

[Dylan Efron]

Solid watch.

[Ria]

Yep.

[Dylan Efron]

There's a ton.

[Ria]

We have a ton. Next week is gonna be packed.

[Dylan Efron]

Yes.

[Ria]

Because I got a Watson show. Yeah, I got a lot of.

[Grant Ellis]

I did start that, but I won't rate it.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Grant Ellis]

Because I didn't really finish episode one.

[Ria]

I've got a lot of TV time to clock.

[Dylan Efron]

Me too. Me too. All right, that wraps up everything we watched.

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[Dylan Efron]

All right, everyone. We are here with a very special guest. You know him and love him from this season of the Traders. Welcome Dylan Efron. Thanks for coming on.

[Fran]

Thanks for having me.

[Ria]

We're so excited that you're here. We're so excited about the way that this season ended. It was so like. What's the word?

[Dylan Efron]

Poetic justice. Yeah.

[Ria]

Yeah. Like, we felt. We felt we all won.

[Dylan Efron]

You Know, I feel like we're the good guys.

[Ria]

Exactly. We felt like we were all faithfuls. How does it feel now that the show is over and everyone's seen how it's ended?

[Fran]

I think there was some concern with the winners that were like, are people gonna be mad at us because we didn't start any drama? So it's been amaz amazing that people aren't mad at us for, for not taking it down to two. It's just. Yeah, I, I love how much everyone loves the show because that's me. Like I, I watched this show and I loved it. So it's cool to be able to be on the other side, honestly.

[Dylan Efron]

Right.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

I mean the four of you were who we were rooting for the most. I mean, especially towards the end. You have, you, Gabby, Dolores, Ivor, what a fantastic group of winners. And, and you said you're nervous that, you know, you guys didn't start any drama at the end, but you guys were all so likable in the show that it's like, well, we gotta be happy that these four won. Why would we want them to turn against each other in the end? Would make great for great tv, but.

[Ria]

How can we not be happy? Yeah, exactly. We would have been so sad. Imagine like Dolores was just like, it would have been, we would have been like, oh, no. Right.

[Dylan Efron]

Well, towards the end, I mean, Dolores was just flipping over whatever name she wanted. Okay. And we love Dolores, but as a viewer we're all getting a little frustrated. We're like, stick with the plan. How did you feel during those roundtables when you're trying to get a trader out and Dolores is just, she just has personal feelings and she's writing them down.

[Fran]

That was me earlier in the season though. I was writing Gabby's name. So what they. There's a lot that happens at the roundtable that isn't shown. So that last vote where Dolores wrote Tom, we sit down and Tom went on a 15 minute tirade, like just, this is why Dolores is a traitor. It went on for 15 minutes and then Dolores just says like, shut the up. And then, and then, and then we started talking about Britney.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

So. So like that's why she was so heated and voted Tom. But in the show it just looks like it's, it's petty.

[Ria]

Yeah, right. Well, because in. They kind of made it seem like both sides were petty. Like it just seemed like Tom was like, I really think it's Dolores. And there was no reason.

[Fran]

And I don't think he really thought it that much like Tom started to catch on at the end. He was.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah. Well, Tom himself, when he was out, he was like, you know, I was the best player in this game. Which was so funny and really entertaining to watch. You know, as viewers of all reality tv, you have your, you know, preconceived thoughts about tomorrow because of what he's done. But watching this show, I think he weirdly won people over because people just started accepting him for who he is. They were like, he can really be awful, but he's having the time of his life on this show.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And he plays that balance of like, is he in on the joke or not? Because like sometimes like when he's talking to the statue like that he has to be on the joke at that point. Right. Like, I don't think he.

[Ria]

That's why I don't think he.

[Dylan Efron]

I don't think he's a self aware man.

[Ria]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

And it makes for great tv.

[Ria]

Like this season, the singing, the, the challenge where he had to sing the bat backwards with the dolls and everything was. It is funny listening to him back as it was for us watching it.

[Fran]

Oh, it was. It's even funnier because so again, like going behind the curtain, like Alan tells us the rules read and then we have about an hour till that mission starts. Starts. So as soon as he reads the rules, Tom just leaves and is like, I need a cough drop. Medic.

[Ria]

Medic.

[Fran]

I need a cough drop. And he's doing the, the vocal warm ups. Like the lips. Yeah. And he's just singing like. And we're all like, Tom just like, it's too early for this. Like we're, we're not seeing for an hour.

[Dylan Efron]

Oh my God.

[Fran]

But that's what makes him so special. Yeah. He saw his chance, he took it.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

This is my, this is my time to shine. I'm gonna get scouted on this show for my singing. What you interested in even doing Traders? We know that you're a big fan of Survivor. Do you love any other reality shows?

[Fran]

Yeah, I started watching Traders. I started watching like the UK version, Australia version. So I got hooked on that. I watched Dealer no Deal island like on the way to playing the game. So it was like that was Boston Rob season. And then he like takes off his mask, episode one, and I'm like, dude, you were just on my tv like, get out of here. I don't want to deal with you. So I was not going to let him in the castle at first. Yeah, I like a lot of them, like all the Special Forces. Like, I'm a fan of that. It's fun when it's, like, real emotions.

[Ria]

Yeah. Is this the first one that you've ever wanted to actually do yourself? Like, there? You can be a fan of the shows and watch them, but it's a whole different ball game when you're like, I actually want to play this one.

[Fran]

I wanted to play Survivor too, but I. I'd also never applied. Like, I think for me, I wasn't ready. I was watching at 12 being like, oh, I would win this, and then, like, would I ever apply? No. Like, I wasn't quite. I don't think I was quite ready. So then this was the first year where I was like, you know what? Like, this is nothing different than I do on social media. I'm playing myself, except I'm playing, like, at the biggest. Like a kid's game at the biggest level. I was like, I can do this. So this was the first year where I entertained doing a show, and I'm happy I did.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

I mean, it worked out for you, which is amazing. I think everyone was rooting for you. And it's true what you say. You know, you're watching Survivor as a kid, you're like, I could do this. But that's. And then you don't sign up because you're like, well, I don't want to test that. But for this, it really turned out amazing for you. How did you originally get approached or did you apply?

[Fran]

I actually don't know. So I'm with uta and they. They told me about the opportunity, so I have no idea. They might have DM me because I heard a lot of people got DMed.

[Grant Ellis]

Right.

[Ria]

You're like, yes, I'm administrator. I'm down.

[Fran]

And I had only watched the second season of the US and, like, I watched it, I liked it, but I wasn't sure how much strategy there was. Like, I love a lot of strategy and feeling like I can win if you're smart enough type thing. So then I was like, not. Not on the fence. But I was like, I need to do more research. I watched UK season 2 and was hooked. So then I, like, went down the rabbit hole. I was like, oh, I'm doing this show.

[Dylan Efron]

Right? What did you suck in?

[Ria]

Yeah. What did you think of the comparisons then? If you watch the second season, everyone thought you were really. You and Pilot Pete were, like, playing the same kind of game.

[Fran]

I wasn't offended by it at all because, like, when I signed up to do the show, he was One person I called for advice and was just like, hey, I'm thinking about doing this show. Should I do it? It was a quick call. He was just like, dude, it was the time of my life. I really enjoyed it. Like, don't even think twice. Sign up. So hearing that from him, who I respected from that season was like, all right, let's do this thing.

[Dylan Efron]

Was it kind of crazy to watch back and see Parvati compare you to pilot Pete? I was like, that was crazy. She clocked that.

[Fran]

I heard it. They were chirping from over there. I could hear everything they did.

[Dylan Efron]

You get to a point where you were like, okay, I'm crushing this. I'm on to everybody now. People are gonna think I'm a traitor.

[Fran]

Like, that last roundtable with Brittany, she, like, I wasn't expecting that. Dolores told me right before we walked in that she was coming for me, and I was just like, what does she have on me? And so I wasn't expecting. You can tell. I kind of got, like, defensive. I wasn't expecting her to come at me. So, no, like, once I got Boston or. Sorry, once I got Bob the Drag Queen, it really cleared my name. And all I was worried about was murders. After that, I wasn't worried about getting banished.

[Dylan Efron]

It's amazing you didn't get murdered.

[Fran]

Yeah, it is. That is so true.

[Ria]

I mean, do you think that, like, do you think. You're. Obviously, your friendship with Danielle played a big part in that. Most likely huge. When do you think you started to suspect Danielle? Or was it really not until the end?

[Fran]

No, it was very. Like, there was a very clear moment. Do you remember the murder in Plain sight, when Chrishell got murdered?

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah.

[Fran]

We woke up that day, and that was when we first started playing the, like, why am I still here? Game.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And it just became there's less people, so it's. It becomes easier. And I was like, okay, I'm still here because Danielle is protecting me. Like, that's the only thing that makes sense. So then I'm in the car with Tom, and we're like, all right, Tom, why are you still here? Who's protecting you? And we both came to the conclusion it's Carolyn. And it was. It just made so much sense. It was, like, on camera, off camera, if anyone said anything slightly mean about Tom, Carolyn would step in and say, don't say that. He's a good person, all these things. So we were just like, oh, my gosh. Like, Gabby would have killed us day one. Like, it just made so much sense. It's not Ivor. Like, we were like, we know. It's these two. We go to that chessboard game, and it was, like, so obvious. They just kind of dug their own grave.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

I mean, I think everybody watching was so proud of you for holding your own against Danielle. When she was, you know, begging and almost crying, she was like, please don't do this. And you were like, I'm gonna stick to this. In that moment at the round table, was there a moment where you were gonna flip or were you always gonna go, danielle.

[Fran]

No, I wasn't gonna flip. But it wasn't easy. It was like, I felt so bad. Cause she was. She's a friend, and she's pleading. Like, I know she's a traitor, but it's hard to do that to a friend.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

But what you don't see is Gabby and I. Like, towards the end of the. I was very on Gabby. I thought she was a traitor, 100%. But again, that same day, I realized it's not Gabby. The. The Murder in Plain Sight day. So then I started working with her. And we knew going into that round table, I was like, we were aligned. We're like, we're going after Danielle tonight. She's going after you. Like, I'll have your back, but you have to do this. Like, you have to speak at the roundtable. Like, I can't do it against Danielle. And I even tipped Danielle off, but I tried to wait till the very last second so she couldn't strategize. She still strategized.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

So I probably shouldn't have done that.

[Ria]

Yeah. I'm sure she had the plan in her head no matter what. Anyway, at that point when Dolores was, like, so adamant that it was iver. Gabby, like, she was not. She was not going to write Danielle. Did you at any point, like, were you guys trying to convince her it was Danielle? Because that's. We didn't really see a hundred percent.

[Fran]

But the. The credit I give Dolores was being upfront about it. Because once she said, dylan, like, I am not writing Dolores or Danielle's name no matter what. I could strategize. I could say, like, oh, okay. Like, I was gonna keep Danielle another day, but now we actually have to get her out tonight, otherwise we're gonna lose this game.

[Dylan Efron]

Right.

[Fran]

So, like, the fact that she was honest with me allowed me to, like, strategize.

[Ria]

Cause you're like, we are not gonna have this number no matter what.

[Fran]

I was so frightened. Like, nothing I could say would have convinced her to Vote Danielle.

[Dylan Efron]

I mean, we were dying watching Dolores. We love Dolores, but we were like, she really is treating this like it's Housewives of New Jersey. Like, she thinks if someone says they're not a traitor, that means they're really not a traitor. Like, she's all about the loyalty. I think she's forgetting what game she's playing where someone has to be lying to her, which was, you know, as a viewer and probably in your position, you're a little frustrated, but you appreciate her loyalty as well because she was.

[Fran]

Loyal to you, and that's why she won. Like, she. She was respected as the most loyal person in the house. That's why Danielle wanted to take her to the end. Like, she was loyal, and that's why she won. So it is, like, credit to her. She won the game, and it's not like she was gifted the game. Same with Ivor. They. They played a different strategy than I did.

[Ria]

Yeah, definitely, because I did. And I think with the Housewives being such targets in the beginning, they just kind of went one after another that it's a credit to Dolores that she was able to stick around all the way to the end.

[Fran]

That was all Bob the Drag Queen.

[Ria]

Yeah. Now and then when you guys. When you filmed the reunion, did it feel like the. The housewives had a little bit of a chip on their shoulder?

[Fran]

For sure. Yeah. But they. It was also funny too, because, like, the winners, we don't have anything to say. Like, this isn't for us.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Like, we wanted them to have their moment. The people that got slighted, everything. So we're, like, out there, and it felt like, yeah, we're like, going through the motions type thing. The housewives walked out and I was like, oh, shit. This is like, watch our house. Yeah, this is the Andy Cohen show.

[Dylan Efron]

They're used to this.

[Fran]

It was like, once Dorinda and Ion walked out, I was like, oh, shit, here we go. Grab the popcorn.

[Dylan Efron]

Right, right. You feel like you have a front row seat to one of their reunions.

[Fran]

It was great.

[Dylan Efron]

Now, once the filming ended and kind of post Traitor, is it a little bit disorienting because you're in your life, you're like, are you a traitor? Are you a faithful? How do you feel once it all ends?

[Fran]

I. Again, I think I was lucky because I won. So, like, my. It felt like a closed chapter for me. I went back to normal life. Like, all I wanted to do is like, lay on, lay in the sun, go in the ocean. Like, I wanted to just get back to who I am. But the people that got slighted or, like, didn't get that closure. I think, like, Carolyn. Like, Carolyn was really, like, calling after the show just, like, she needed closure, and she never got it. It's like, why did this happen? Like, where did I mess up? And I think that's when. When it's hard.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

But I didn't.

[Dylan Efron]

It always goes beyond the game.

[Fran]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Ria]

Watching it back has got to be interesting, too, because you see those conversations that you didn't were there for what was happening in the turret, the drama with the traitors. What were you thinking watching the traitors really go after each other? Like, the whole season, from the beginning, the traitors did not. We're not on the same page.

[Fran]

No. And it's so weird when you're. When you're in the castle. You really don't know that, like, you. We were questioning some of the murders they had. We're confused by them a lot, but we had no idea. So, like I was saying, I was the best trader on the show because I was trying to bring Danielle and Carolyn together the whole season. I was just like, I do not understand why you guys are fighting. Just like, can't we all get along? We're doing great.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

I had no idea what was happening.

[Dylan Efron]

And they didn't listen to you. It really was shocking to watch because, you know, the smart strategy would be stick together, but they couldn't do it. They could not stick together. Which I think at first, everyone was like, oh, my God, these traitors are awful. But then when you continue to watch, you're like, this is amazing. Like, I need them to keep killing each other off, because now we're just fully rooting for the faithfuls.

[Fran]

Yeah, I. I think. I think the traders did, like, I know they got a lot of heat, but when I look back at the season and this is how I felt on episode 11, like, at the end, I was like, wow. Bob the drag queen had this show on his back for four episodes. Boston Rob had the show on his back for three episodes. Danielle and Carolyn had the show on their back for the last three. It was like, they really carried the season. So as much as, like, people give them crap for, like, being bad traders, they made good tv, right?

[Dylan Efron]

And bad traders, but made it, like, Danielle made it really far. So, you know, as much as people got frustrated with her and, you know, you know, didn't like the way that she was playing, she did make it really far, which means in that house, she was playing a good Game and.

[Fran]

That'S the thing too is like, yeah, like Tom and I knew Danielle was a traitor. So like we were playing that game of like, should we keep her around? Should we not, like, so we have a leg up. But then it was like once Dolores said she wasn't gonna vote for like if she was one round table away from winning. Like, even if we knew she was a trader, we couldn't have done anything about it.

[Dylan Efron]

Now how has your life changed, post traders? Because, I mean, you have all of this fan love now. Were you expecting that?

[Fran]

No, it's been, it's been awesome. It's really cool.

[Dylan Efron]

It's pretty sick.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Just mainly because it's like I don't feel like anything's changed at all. Like I still am doing everything I did before and I didn't put on an act really. So I just, I think, yeah, I think people are just seeing me and are liking it, which is like the best feeling in the world.

[Dylan Efron]

Right. There's something really comforting about people liking you for you.

[Fran]

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

[Dylan Efron]

Like if you were a traitor and you had to go in there and lie and do all that, it's not really. Yeah, it's not really you. So then you have a different display of yourself to everybody else when you're.

[Ria]

Playing as a fable too. It's like, like you said, you're being, you're honest. True. It's like this, it's a golden boy is a rot. Like it's like maybe a little much, but it's like they're like, this is our golden boy. Look at him telling the truth again. He's getting these traitors out. Chicks in the Office is sponsored by Better Help. Let's talk numbers. Traditional in person therapy can cost anywhere from 100 to $250 per session, which adds up fast. But with BetterHelp online therapy, you can save on average up to 50% per session. With BetterHelp, you pay a flat fee for weekly sessions, saving you big on cost and time. Therapy should feel accessible, not like a luxury. With online therapy, you get quality care at a price that makes sense and can help you with anything from anxiety to everyday stress. Your mental health is worth it, and now it's within reach. Therapy has so many great benefits. With over 30,000 therapists, BetterHelp is the world's largest online therapy platform, having served over 5 million people globally. It's convenient too. You can join a session with the click of a button, helping you fit therapy into your busy life. Your well being is worth it. Visit betterhelp.com office today to get 10% off your first month. That's betterhelph. E L-P.com office when you guys were at the end and, you know you're doing the smoke and the whole thing, did you have any doubts about the other three while in the moment?

[Fran]

So we all strategized for what we're gonna do if someone threw red. So, like, before Brittany came at me, I was strategizing more because I was like, this show is designed for two winners. If you're faithful. Like, the fact that they don't reveal who the last traitor is, like, it's designed the smart strategies to bring it down to two. So I was doing that. Like, I think at the time it was going to be me and Gabby. As long as she was aligned, like, I was still earning her trust.

[Ria]

Right.

[Fran]

But I had kind of made that strategy to end it with me and Gabby. And then once I had the roundtable with Brittany, I was just like, holy shit. Like, I know for sure Brittany is a trader now. I know they're all faithfuls. So, like, there's no point in me bringing it down to two. Like, if someone throws red, I know what to do.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

But I'm not going to make that call is.

[Ria]

I know, like, obvious. You know, there's money, you win, there's a prize. Like, it's a. It's a good amount of money. But when you obviously becomes less when you split it more ways. Was that ever discussed or was everyone like, you know, we really believe we're all faithful, so let's split it. Because it's, you know, cuts your money in half.

[Fran]

Yeah, but. So let's do the math real quick. It's. It's. Let's say we cut Dolores out first. So then we won with three people. Yeah.

[Ria]

Yep.

[Fran]

I think that's 50k split three ways. We got. I'm not that good of math. 18, 17k after tax. 10k. Like Dolores Friendship. 10k.

[Ria]

Right, right, right.

[Fran]

What? What? Like, it wasn't really a factor for us.

[Ria]

Right.

[Fran]

If it was a million dollar price pie, I think we would have thought. We would have thought twice. Maybe.

[Dylan Efron]

But also more to share.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

You know, have you seen some of, like, the online chatter? Because. Because the show is so popular and everybody loves it, that there's been, like, different pl, like, points of the game that they're challenging of. Like, hey, maybe we should change this. Maybe the prize pop bigger. Maybe the challenges change a little bit. What do you think about that? Like, how do you think the game would change if it. If it was more money?

[Fran]

I don't. Like, I'm on the stance that I don't think the game needs to change.

[Ria]

Yeah, I don't think so either. I think it's perfect.

[Fran]

Totally. Like, of course I want more physical challenges. Like, every time there's a physical challenge, I was like, yeah, yeah. But then, like, I see why they can't do only physical challenges. Like, the trivia wasn't not my chance to win, and, like, of course I lost that mission, but that's giving people who aren't physical a chance to win. So. So it's. It's good. Of course. Like, more money, for sure. Like, more money.

[Dylan Efron]

But then now you're gonna be like, I wish I was on the next season.

[Ria]

It's crazy because it really. It definitely would. It definitely would play a part, for sure. Yeah. There'd be much more greed.

[Fran]

Much more greed coming into play, for sure.

[Dylan Efron]

People would be, like, as feisty as they were, they would be even feistier. Was there at any point, did you want to be a traitor or did you want to be a faithful?

[Fran]

No. So going in, I've played a lot of mafia. Have you guys played that game? And I hate being the traitor. So going in, I knew I wanted to be a faithful, but I didn't want to ruin the show by saying that. I saw Sam go in and just say, like, no, I want to be a faithful. I was like, you could do that. So I was like, yeah, I don't care. But, like, I'd rather be faithful. So, yeah, I was trying to, like, play it up. I wanted to be a faithful. And I was. I think I told Alan as well, like, I either want to be a faithful or recruited. And if I was recruited, that would have been my chance to take all the money for sure.

[Ria]

Right.

[Fran]

So I was in a good spot.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

How did you sleep at night?

[Ria]

Oh, terribly.

[Fran]

It's so, like, you don't get much sleep, and I didn't have any supplements or anything. That was just a stupid me. Like, I put all my supplements into one bag, and they. As soon as I showed up, they're like, you can't have any supplements that aren't labeled. So they just took all my supplements out the day I arrived. So I didn't have, like, any. Yeah, I got just a loose bag of pills.

[Ria]

Yeah, you're not gonna be allowed to take this.

[Fran]

I was the most underprepared in that sense. Like, I threw my outfits together, stuff like that. But Every night we'd get home maybe 2am or something, and they'd give you, like, a little Scottish sleeping pill, which is, like magnesium or something.

[Ria]

Like, it's very basic, very light.

[Dylan Efron]

Melatonin. Ye.

[Fran]

Like, I would. I would try to get four. I'm like, come on, give me, like, please. Yeah, it was all I cared about. There's, like, all these snacks and stuff. I'm like, give me three. Four.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah. Because we saw Sierra say on Summer House that you guys got your phones once a week for 30 minutes or once every six days for 30 minutes.

[Fran]

That's about it. Some people got it more. I think it depends on the loud voices, get fed or whatever.

[Dylan Efron]

Right, right, Right now. So was there any worry that people were gonna be texting each other if they got their phone, or was it monitored?

[Fran]

It was all monitored. So, you know, a fun part was, like, when we first got our phones, the cast list was out, like, to the public. So I remember I called my girlfriend, and she's. I can't respond, but there's someone there, and she's like, can I tell you, like, who the people on the cast are and, like, who I think you should be friends with? So she starts talking, but I have it on mute, so I, like, can't respond. The moderator's right there, and she's just. She's a Bravo fan, so she's like, I think you're going to get along with Sierra. And I'm like, yeah, I am. And she's like. She's just giving me background on everybody. She's like, dolores is fiery, like, but if she's on your team, it's good. I was like, yeah, I'm doing that. It was like. It was kind of like giving me, like, re. Re. Or, I don't know, like, confirmation.

[Dylan Efron]

So you couldn't vocalize?

[Fran]

I couldn't vocalize, no.

[Ria]

So that's so interesting. She's just like, you're. She's just like, okay, I'm just gonna talk.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, but shout out. Shout out to her for giving you the strategy.

[Fran]

Yeah, no, it was fun because a lot of them I didn't know going in. And now. Now I'm more versed in the Bravo world. Right. Right now it's a lot.

[Ria]

Are there. Do you think there's any. Any new Bravo shows you'll pick up now that you've met some of these people?

[Fran]

Like. Like which ones I've been watching. Yeah, yeah. Summer House. I really like Southern charm, too. Southern charm's hilarious.

[Dylan Efron]

Now you're into so you're into summer house and Southern charm.

[Fran]

Yeah. They kind of cross over a little bit.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, they do.

[Ria]

They do. They definitely do.

[Dylan Efron]

Especially lately.

[Ria]

Yeah, I know. I actually think Craig would be so. I wanted Craig to do that. He'd be really good on the traitors because they're always. His whole thing, every season is like, he's lying. Craig's a liar. Craig's a liar. So let's put. Let's put the lying to the test.

[Fran]

And he's a lawyer and stuff.

[Ria]

Yeah, I think I. I think it would actually be very good. You mentioned that you kind of, like, threw all your outfits together. Were you surprised with how everybody was stepping out when. When they were doing the show?

[Fran]

No, I knew. I knew people would bring. Yeah, but, yeah, I. I knew I wasn't going to be the one making headlines. I actually did my sweaters, which was shocking. But. But, yeah, I went much more with the comfort. Like, I was wearing Birkenstocks. Like, yeah, this is our home. Like, let's treat it that way. Sweaters. Yeah.

[Ria]

I love Dolores, towards the end was just like, I'm not doing it anymore. She's just like, I'm. She's. I'm wearing my comfy clothes. I can't keep doing this.

[Dylan Efron]

I mean, how can you blame her?

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

No, every morning she's like, oh, it's me, and I'm ready to go. I'm getting burned. She's like, oh, it wasn't me. All right.

[Dylan Efron]

Oh, my God.

[Ria]

That's amazing. We had Boston Rob in here a few weeks ago. It was great. And he does love you. And I think everybody love him, too. Everybody's watched that. That bromance form, and there was maybe even some. Some jealousy at the. At the reunion. I felt like they were like, oh, you know, Bob Harper was like, nobody's picking me up from the airport.

[Fran]

I had to go to his hot yoga class yesterday because I was making, like. Had to make amends.

[Dylan Efron]

All the raps, all the bars.

[Ria]

What. How. How fun has it been to keep that friendship going?

[Fran]

It's great. We're actually going to Florida to the Players Championship next week.

[Dylan Efron]

So fun.

[Fran]

So we're gonna hang out more, make some more videos, I'm sure.

[Dylan Efron]

Oh, that's amazing.

[Ria]

Funniest thing, like, seeing people, because there. I think there is a whole world of a new generation that's being introduced to Boston Rob for the first time. Even on my flight, we were traveling yesterday. There were two young girls behind me, and they were like, oh, my God, have you seen Young Boston Rob, like, it's just so funny. And they were like. And the mom, they were traveling with their mom, their mom was like, oh, my God, you never watched a Survivor season. And he, he has four daughters. Like, right. So it's so sweet.

[Dylan Efron]

I mean, it's amazing. I mean, Ciara said it at the reunion. She was like, I didn't know you were like, hot.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And then Bob the Drag Queen's like, were hot is crazy.

[Ria]

It's amazing. Were you a little jealous of the Emilio Bilado's dinner that happened the other night?

[Fran]

Oh, yeah, I wanted to be there. I was definitely jealous. But my agent actually put that together.

[Ria]

Oh, my gosh, I love that. That's. That, that's amazing. So are there any other, like, friendships you think you'll obviously boss or rob? Any other friendships you think you'll really take away from. From the game?

[Fran]

Yeah. So the hard part is like, and this goes back to like what I do on social media, like, I'm so blessed to have friends all over the world, but that at the end of the day, they live all over the world. So it's like we stay in touch over the phone and stuff like that. But as far as, like, who I'm seeing in la, I've seen Sam quite a bit. Really like Sam, he's great. And then Wells, I play golf with.

[Dylan Efron]

A lot, so justice for Wells.

[Fran]

I know that was a.

[Ria]

That was definitely a tough one for Wells. Did you see all the jokes towards the beginning of the season? Because when they were really like putting everybody's names to identify everybody and everyone kind of had their show underneath and you're sitting down to earth and everyone was like, wow. Just thought he was being described as a down to earth, Dylan, down to earth guy.

[Dylan Efron]

Down to earth guy. I know.

[Ria]

Did you see all that?

[Fran]

I did, I did. So, so many people still don't know.

[Ria]

Well, I thought it was very funny.

[Fran]

It was, it was cool because, like, I went in with such a low bar. Like, it really was maybe like Sam and I were about the same. They're like, what are these two doing on the show? But I really enjoyed that because it was like, I didn't have to do that much to be like, oh, wow, he's smart. Like, he has a brain. Like, people were just expecting me to be a fly on the wall. Like, just be there, to be there. So it was cool. It was a good place. I like having a low bar.

[Ria]

Yeah. It's always the place to start. You can only go up.

[Dylan Efron]

Nice guy. Tell the truth. And it's up from there.

[Fran]

That's it. I played a golf tournament the other day. I had the worst round, and everyone's like, oh, it's okay. He's getting better. And then I played really good the next day, and everyone's like, oh, okay. Like, I just have to hit the bottom.

[Ria]

Just low to start. It will bring. Bring. We'll bring it back up for everybody. Well, it was really. It was just so much fun watching. Do you think, like, did you get the bug to do more shows?

[Fran]

Yeah, for sure.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Because that's how I've lived my life, to be honest. It's like, I. I've never. I've always chased experiences, and that's why I love travel and learning new stuff. So, like, to me, this was an experience of a lifetime. And if I can do that again on another show, like. Like Special Forces, for example, like being able to jump off a helicopter and then, like, stuff like that, that would.

[Dylan Efron]

Be a great one.

[Fran]

Yeah. Like, I'm super down for more experiences. I want to take my time and, like, find the right next step and everything. But, yeah, I'm definitely down for more.

[Dylan Efron]

And are you.

[Ria]

Force is a good one because you are. And they put you in. You know, you're traveling all over the place, too.

[Dylan Efron]

Are you in on Survivor if they ask you?

[Fran]

I think you have to apply. And it would honestly be up to Jeff Probst. Like, I don't know.

[Dylan Efron]

Have you met him yet?

[Fran]

I. I have met him once. He's. He's really nice, so I would totally do it. But it seems. It seems like they cast. They don't really cast people. Like, they. They want. They want to find those unique people. So.

[Ria]

Yeah, I mean, we know it's.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, we have. You know, Tommy's coworker.

[Fran]

I saw. I saw. He talked to him the other day.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

That was awesome.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

And you and Tommy actually said a similar thing, like you said before about Traders. You wanted to know about the strategy that goes into the game. Because Tommy, now, he's just like, I'll go on whatever reality show. He's like, but I want to know if there's strategy. He's like, I don't want to go on a show unless I have to strategize.

[Fran]

I would go on Survivor with Tommy.

[Ria]

That would be good.

[Fran]

We'd form an alliance and I'd cut his throat first.

[Dylan Efron]

You would have to before he gets out, because, you know he would turn on you.

[Fran]

Absolutely.

[Ria]

Exactly. No, that's. That is for sure. Well, we can't wait to see what show you decide to do next. I think it was so much fun watching you on on Traders. It was a blast. Congratulations on. Huge congratulations. It was really like a status so such a great satisfaction for everybody.

[Dylan Efron]

I was like kicking my feet. I was like yay.

[Ria]

I know, really, it was, it was great. So thank you so much for coming in talking.

[Fran]

Thank you for having me.

[Dylan Efron]

Thank you, Dylan.

[Ria]

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[Dylan Efron]

We are here with a very special guest. We are joined by the bachelor, Grant Ellis. Thank you so much for joining us, Grant.

[Matt]

Thanks for having me. I'm excited. Barstool is an amazing platform so I'm excited. Thanks for having me.

[Dylan Efron]

Love that.

[Ria]

I was gonna say off to a great start.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Wow. Let's get this going, Grant.

[Matt]

Gotta compliment you guys.

[Ria]

That's very kind. Thank you. We're super excited to have you here. Talk about this season and everything that's happened. I love when we get the bachelor of the Bachelorette. Like after some some time has gone on the episodes of air we can really talk about what's, what's been happening have you been feeling since the show's been on.

[Matt]

Man, it's a Lot. You know, it's a lot. You know, you put yourself out there, and you. You try new things, and you.

[Dylan Efron]

It's.

[Matt]

It's a lot. But, you know, I'm. I'm really grateful for the experience. It's been amazing. And the people that you meet and then the relationships that you form with no spoilers. But, you know, I think that, yeah, I couldn't ask for a better experience.

[Dylan Efron]

How do you compare the way that you were feeling at the beginning of the season airing? Like, oh, my gosh, my season's about to air. I'm gonna have to watch it on TV to. Now you've been through most of the episodes. How are you feeling between the two?

[Matt]

Oh, man, that's a great question. I think I'm still excited. You know, hometowns and then fantasy suites and then the finale. But I think excitement is the main word. And then, you know, I think maybe starting off, I was a little more nervous, but now I've settled into it and I'm used to seeing myself, like, on tv.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, I'm sure the nerves are a little bit of a roller coaster because it's like, oh, my gosh, I'm. Well, you've seen yourself on TV before, but now this is a different setting. So it's like you're watching it again, and then it takes a little, you know, plateau, and then all of a sudden it's like, okay, but now we're about to reach the finale, so the nerves start maybe ramping up a little bit again.

[Matt]

Yeah, they ramp up. And then, you know, when I was on the Bachelorette, it's not my story, so it's very easy to not expect, you know, you. Oh, well, you know, I was there. You have a date in here. But then when you're on the Bachelor, you're the lead. It's like, it's your story. Everything you do, you're in almost every scene. And there's.

[Ria]

So you can't fast forward.

[Fran]

You can't fast forward.

[Ria]

You can't.

[Matt]

It's like you're everywhere. So it's definitely. Definitely. It's. It's a. It's a different experience.

[Ria]

Were there any, like, pressures on yourself or stories about yourself that you wanted to make sure you told as. As the lead?

[Matt]

I think just coming in there, you know, I think my main goal was to, you know, find a wife and then. And then secondary. I just wanted to set a good example. I wanted to lead with love and just be somebody who was open and was vulnerable. And, you know, I think I Think to show, like, you know, I think I've cried on the show, like, four or five times, and then there's more to come. But it's, like, just to show that as a man, you could be strong, but you also, you know, it's good to be vulnerable. Just, you know, pick and choose your times, you know, and when, you know, it's good to open yourself up and express yourself. So that was probably my main, you know, one of my main things. And, like. And that was in the back of my mind, you know?

[Ria]

Yeah. Yeah. Were there any hesitations for you? Like, kind of just deciding to be the Bachelor? I know we kind of got, like, the announcement a little bit earlier on through the Bachelorette season, so people had time to prep and get ready and get excited for your season. When they approached you about it, what was your first initial thought?

[Matt]

I was so naive to the process. I was like, man, you know, opening yourself up to public scrutiny, and, you know, like I said, you're the lead, so you're making all the decisions, and. And, you know, maybe sometimes you don't sit up straight enough or you're. Or you're in. You're doing something. It's like, I didn't. I was. So I was just like, yeah, I didn't have any concerns. I was like, I'm just gonna go for it, you know, so. And that's the way I kind of do things. And then, yeah, I think it's good to have, you know, to have confidence in yourself sometimes, to be delusional in.

[Ria]

Your confidence, you know?

[Matt]

Like, I think that's a good thing, you know, Like, I went on the show and, like, played the piano, and I never did that in my life before, but in my mind, you know, I just. I wanted to put myself out there, and then whoever I'm gonna be with is gonna set me for who I am, you know, so that was a big point for me.

[Dylan Efron]

I do appreciate delusion of confidence sometimes. Right. Like, when I see someone out there doing their thing, and I'm like, you know what? I respect it. I respect that you can put yourself out there like that, like, for anybody who does that. Now, with social media getting so much bigger from the way. Beginning of the show and every season, it's. Is this person here for the right reasons? That conversation comes up. How did you feel going into this? How you were going to weed out genuine verse, you know, wrong reasons.

[Matt]

Well, you know, I think that you could. Unless somebody's a really good liar, which there are people out there that Are you could kind of tell who's there, you know, for you based on interest. But then when you go on the show, you never know. You never know. You never know if somebody's doing things for the show or doing things for you. But I think the longer you get to know somebody, if you click and connect and you vibe with somebody, then there's time to grow, you know, and.

[Dylan Efron]

Maybe if somebody is there just to be on tv, but then they're like, oh, wait, we have a connection. That's what I'm saying.

[Matt]

And I think that might be a possibility. Some people go in there, like, listen, listen, whatever happens, you know, and then you made the person like, I actually like this person.

[Dylan Efron]

Right. I feel like that conversation has to happen more because we've seen it, you know, on other shows as well, where someone says, you know, I went on, I thought it was a good opportunity, but then I really found a connection with this person, which is also great, too.

[Matt]

Exactly. And, like, I, you know, with the relationship with. That I had with the ladies on the show, especially ones that I was really close with, like, if. If somebody were to tell me, like, listen, I don't know if I'm feeling it. Like. Like, you know, I would be like, okay, well, like, I got you. Like, I'm, you know, I'm not gonna. I won't. Not gonna put you out there, you know, I want to see you shine, do your thing, you know, But I'm. That's the type of dude I am, and I. I'm going on there looking for a relationship, you know, so if somebody's just open and upfront with me, I'm not gonna hold them. Hold that against them, you know, for sure.

[Ria]

Yeah, definitely. What's it like watching it back now? Because, of course, you were there for all your moments and conversations, but when you watch it back, you see the girls talking and what was going on in the house and what. That, you know, what was being said there. Have you had any moments of, like, oh, I had no idea that happened.

[Matt]

I mean, you kind of.

[Dylan Efron]

You.

[Matt]

You have an idea of things like, okay, being the lead, you only see. You probably see less than half of what's going on, because I say less than half because, you know, a little bit. But you're so busy dealing with everything else that you don't know everything that's going on. But you kind of. Of could tell by the energy in the room on the group dates and, like, who the girls aren't getting along with. And then you start to put two and two together and like, okay, well, every time this is happening, this person is acting this way or that. So. But you, as a lead, you have to allow for things. Well, at least for me, you can't jump to conclusion. You have to allow for things to kind of just play out, and everybody's going to have an opinion on what they feel you should do. But for me, just wanted to let things play out for as long as they could so I could really know when I made a decision. It was the right. It was the right.

[Ria]

Could you tell earlier in those earlier weeks that, like, the. It was Zoe who was kind of in the mix with the girls, getting a little, like, maybe salty with her for her movements?

[Matt]

I knew. Yeah, I knew, you know, with Zoe that she's the type of person. And this is why maybe some people have questions or whatever, but Zoe is somebody who put her best. Her best out there in everything she did. And she went through a lot in her life, and I saw that. And I saw that she. She didn't pout. She didn't complain. She just. She was there for, you know, what the. The main reason, you know, which was to try to form a connection, and she wouldn't let anything get in her way. So I really. I really appreciate that about her. But you could tell. You could tell when people are there, and you could see. You could kind of put. Unless you're just oblivious to, you know. So you could tell. You definitely could tell.

[Ria]

Yeah, that is true. I mean, it's because if we can sense it watching, like that first, the big basketball date when she pulled you away and you guys go back down and everyone like. Does it feel awkward in those moments?

[Matt]

I'm gonna say the most awkward thing is the group dates.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Because it's like you're talking to somebody, and then you have to. You don't want to give too much attention. You want to, like. And then everybody's, like, kind of competing with each other. And then I. My favorite time was the one on one time. Because I really get to lock in and learn about somebody and learn what they like, what they don't like, and who they are, as opposed to group taste is kind of. It's just weird. I've never. I've never been on a group.

[Dylan Efron]

I mean. Yeah, right. Who has besides on this show? But were there moments when someone would pull you away while you're talking to somebody else and you're kind of like, well, you don't want to be pulled away right now, but you're trying to Be respectful. Trying to give everybody that time.

[Matt]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, of course, but that's the name of the show. You know, as a lead, you have to. Well, there's no rules, you know what I'm saying? You could definitely tell somebody, like. But I tried to give the ladies a fair chance to show me who they were.

[Ria]

Right.

[Matt]

To show me who they were. And the right person for me was going to. Through any situation unless there was clear disrespect. They were going to let the process unfold and they know what it was, and they were going to let our connection form without being forced.

[Ria]

It's like a. Can I steal you for a second? Like, dance off?

[Matt]

Yeah. Right.

[Ria]

Like, it's like. So they keep coming in and then they circles back and they come back again. Right. So no, that. And. And that happens all the time on the show. So I'm sure it's like you have. You kind of have to be like.

[Matt]

Yeah, I don't want to, but yeah. I mean, I don't. I don't know if there's ever been. I don't know. Has there ever been somebody who's been like, no, like, you can't. I don't know.

[Ria]

I. Normally the lead I feel like is like, okay. Or they're like, let me get. Give me 30 seconds. Exactly.

[Dylan Efron]

Because if they were to say no, right. Like, you have to do it in a polite way, which would be like, hey, give me a couple seconds, and whatever. But if they say no, it's sort of like, well, if you were interested in that person, you would get up.

[Matt]

Right now, and it sends a message to the rest of the rest of the group that you are really interested in person.

[Dylan Efron]

Kind of closed off. Yeah.

[Ria]

Yeah. How did you feel watching these moments back these. The last couple weeks with Carolina and kind of the attitude that maybe she was having in the house versus maybe talking to you. I don't know if, like, you did seem to pick up on her energy. Yeah. And in the. In the dates and those things. And obviously was causing issues in the house of. Of how she was acting. What'd you kind of think watching it. Watching it back?

[Matt]

Watching it back was definitely interesting, to say the least. It was interesting. You know, my thing was, you know, you kind of know what you're here, you know what you sign up for. You know what this is. But it's like, I mean, analogy is like, if you say, if you're in a house and you're like, oh, if somebody breaks down the door, I'm gonna go and fight them, and then it actually happens. And then you're like, oh, like, you may. You don't know what you're gonna do. So in the situation, you can go in the Bachelor and say, I'm gonna keep my composure. But then when it happens, you know, you might catch feelings, and you might. You know, so that's why it's a. It's when you're on TV like that, it's like staring in the mirror. It reveals your character, and it reveals who you are, and it's not only for you to see. It's for everybody.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, it could really strip you down.

[Matt]

It could strip you down.

[Dylan Efron]

You don't have any of the, like, outside devices. You're closed off from the rest of the world.

[Matt]

You're closed off from the rest of the world, and then you're making. Every decision you make is on you, you know, like. And you can't take it back. So, yeah, seeing some of that, it was surprising. I kind of. You know, I picked up on some things, but I. Like I said, I tried to diffuse situations and allow. And I didn't want people to really feel like they were being isolated or, like, ostrich ostracized. And I just didn't want that. So I tried to really be like a mediator.

[Ria]

Was it. Was it. Sorry, go ahead. Was it tough? Because you guys did have a really great one on one date. And then, like, how. How were you feeling in the moment? Being, like, why. How is she not remembering that? We do have.

[Matt]

That was the hardest thing for me. And honestly, that was the downfall of. I'm not gonna say downfall, but that was where things took a turn because we had such a great date. Like, we took a private jet, and our personalities were very similar. Like, we joke around. We both, you know, we're beatboxing, we're making jokes, and, you know, we got our own handshake, and we're doing this little headbutt thing, and then we jump off a building. So going back, I was like, wow, this person. Person. This person is like, this person could be my friend. I can see myself, like, joking around with this person and being myself around them. And then to go back and hear, you know, the questioning and then not only questioning the process kind of questioning you, and, you know, I think that's what. That it hurts.

[Ria]

Right, Right. But, yeah, it'll be interesting to see what she says during the. The woman tell, because I also feel like sometimes women throw that up as a. As a defense mechanism, because I bet you her feelings were there. And she was like, but I don't even know him. Like, you know, like, you're kind of like, you're trying to be like. Like tough guy a little bit to protect yourself. I kind of feel like maybe that's what she was going through.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Dylan Efron]

And did you find it a little bit disorienting, watching, being like, well, we have this connection, but this is how she's acting with the ladies. And, like, you feel like almost like you think you know somebody, but then you're watching, you're like, wait, maybe I really don't know that person.

[Matt]

Yeah. And you know something, too. Not everybody. I'm not going to say not everybody's built for.

[Grant Ellis]

It's.

[Matt]

It's some people.

[Ria]

Not everybody is built for. That is true.

[Dylan Efron]

It's very true.

[Ria]

It's true.

[Grant Ellis]

It's true.

[Matt]

It's nothing against Carolina. Like, I think that, you know, that environment is hard. You just form a connection, and you got to watch somebody go on a date, and then they may be talking to you or showing you attention, and then the next day they're like, they're not.

[Ria]

Yep.

[Matt]

So you have to really be secure in yourself. Like, really secure in yourself and who you are and what you provide and what you offer. And. Yeah. Just. It's not. As I said, it's not for everybody. Some people unravel during it, and that's just what happened.

[Ria]

Totally. So we just watched you go on some hometown dates, and I will say, all seemed pretty great. Like, everybody's family was pretty open and welcoming. Did you feel that way going in? What were your nerves like, going into home towns?

[Matt]

It's nervous. I'm pretty good with families. Like, I'm chill. You know, I'm like. I'm not like. But going in there, you. You always. You have to meet people's moms and dads and brothers and uncles.

[Ria]

Yeah. If you're Juliana, you're her entire experience.

[Matt]

Everybody. You mean everybody. So it's. It's nervous. But I just went in there, I said, I'm gonna be myself, and whoever accepts me for me is gonna accept me. You know, that's the person that I'm probably gonna end up with. So, yeah, at that point, you know, I had connections, and meeting the family was something that was going to be a big tell all for me.

[Ria]

What was your confidence level like with specifically Zoe? Because I think a lot of people were like, wow, this is kind of crazy that she's getting a hometown and you really hadn't had that. You know, she didn't get a one on one date. And you went on like, then you take her for hometowns. I think people were really surprised by that. So how did you feel about your connection, like with Zoe at that point?

[Matt]

Yeah, I really, I thought that Zoe. I saw a lot of potential in Zoe and from the beginning how she came off a certain way, but I realized that it stemmed from, you know, some things that maybe happened in her childhood. And she became, she was, you know, maybe it caused her to be a little defensive or on the offense at certain times because she knows she probably had been an underdog before, where she's coming from, from living in the south, being a black woman. So I saw that and I was like, I was like, okay, this person, regardless of what anybody that's watching the show thinks of our connection, I know I see something in her that makes for. That has resilience and that I could relate to. So that was the basis of my decision. And then hometowns would have been a good tell if we could build on our connection.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, right.

[Ria]

Why do you think you didn't give her a one on one before?

[Matt]

Because earlier on she was a little bit. I'm not gonna say she was closed off. Yeah, it seemed to me that she was closed off. And then our final two conversations, she started to open up to me and then I started to understand. I was like, wow, okay, well, this is why. She was like that. This is why. And then I was like, I started to see her for who she was and then I felt that she, not to say deserved, but like she was somebody I could see myself understanding and.

[Dylan Efron]

To not even have a one on one, but to feel like the connection is so strong there, to go to hometowns just speaks volumes in itself.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Speaks volumes. And to be. So if that would have happened to.

[Ria]

And for her too, she's struggling.

[Matt]

If that would happen to somebody else, they would have been like, well. And she was like, you know what? I'm gonna see where this could go. And it's like, who doesn't want somebody strong like that?

[Ria]

Yeah, definitely. It can always be interesting. Blending families, blending faith. Religion was a big thing. When you had Latia meeting her family and she talked to you about, you know, growing up in the Mormon faith and that's, you know, part of her family.

[Dylan Efron]

Right.

[Ria]

What were your thoughts about. About that? I feel like that's gotta be maybe the most nerve wracking thing.

[Matt]

Yeah, that was. That was nerve wracking coming in there and too, you know, like, I understand why. I understand why she waited until that moment to tell me because that's a big. That's something big. Something really big. And I. Not to say I was nervous. I just didn't know about the Mormon faith. I didn't know what it entailed, but I knew at that point that we had a connection and something. As far as a belief system, you know, it does play a big role, but it's not everything. You know, you get to know somebody and you never know what could happen. So it was something that was. It was big news to me. But I was at that point, like, I'm really open to it.

[Dylan Efron]

Really open to it. Especially when their family's also open to other beliefs as well. There was a strong reaction to her waiting to tell you. From the people watching, you feel kind of the opposite of that. Like, you just said, you were like. You understand why she waited?

[Matt]

That's a good question. I understand why she waited. Because, you know, something like that, when you're going on a show, you don't want to. That's something could put a. Put a wrench in a relationship. And if you do it right off the. Rip off the jump, then maybe she. She didn't want that to happen.

[Dylan Efron]

And people sort of might label her right at the beginning, rather than waiting to, you know.

[Matt]

Exactly, exactly. Or you go in there and you just write off the jump. You know what I'm saying? And. And this is who I am. This is what it is. And then by the time you get to hometowns, if I'm still here, then, yeah. You know what I'm saying? But either way, there's a method behind both of them. So, like I said, I understand why she did it. And, yeah, I get it.

[Ria]

Was it disappointing that Tina's family didn't want to, you know, kind of be involved in the. In the process?

[Matt]

I think I was more. I felt more for her.

[Ria]

Yeah, for.

[Matt]

In that. In that journey. Because for me, like I said, I, like, family is big, but at the end of the day, the relationship is between you and the person. But I just didn't. I wanted her to feel supported. And when I saw her friend show up, I was like, okay. But at first when she told me, I was like, man, that sucks. Because not. Not so much about how us. It's just about, like, on a big. A big moment like that for your family not to be there. And that hurts, you know, And I'm.

[Dylan Efron]

Sure it really hurt for her, too, the way she's feeling. Yeah, right.

[Matt]

And then everybody else's family is There and then, like, I'm not knocking it. Like, I. But I just felt that I'm like, man, everybody else's family is there, and. And I felt for her in that moment.

[Ria]

So because she went home, I feel like it is easy for people to jump to, like, oh, well, her family didn't show up. What was kind of the deciding factor of her being the one sent home? Did that come into play or.

[Matt]

No, no. Her family not being there. It wasn't that. I think with Dena, it was a new dynamic of a relationship, and. And at the end of the day, just comes down to compatibility. Like, things that I was looking for. Deena had. But there was a level of emotional connection that I was looking for that I felt like in that time wasn't there. And it wasn't there with Zoey either. But with Zoe, I felt like down the road, because of certain circumstances she had went through in her life, I could relate more to her, and I could kind of unlock that in her as opposed to Dina. I didn't know how much we could. I didn't know.

[Ria]

The potential seemed to be there a little bit more, maybe.

[Matt]

Yeah, it seemed to be the. And I just made the decision based off of that.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

[Ria]

Yeah, it does.

[Dylan Efron]

Now, going into the woman tell all, what can we expect?

[Ria]

I don't know.

[Matt]

I don't know. I don't know. You know, I know there's gonna be some feelings towards me, and, you know, as the lead, being the Bachelor, it's very hard to escape without any cuts and bruises, you know, like, so just me going in there and just being humble and realizing that, you know what? I'm a man. I make mistakes, but I did the best I could, and I try to lead with love, and, you know, I hope that you guys felt that. And just trying to diffuse any situations where people may have ill. Not ill will, but, like, any intention, any feelings towards me. Just trying to explain what I was thinking.

[Dylan Efron]

Right.

[Ria]

It's like you can really only do so much with, like, all of their relationships. It's like your connections with them. You could talk out the ladies, you know, you kind of have to let.

[Dylan Efron]

Them hash it out.

[Matt]

Let them hash it it out. Let them hash it out.

[Ria]

Well, you know what has been also kind of funny, Ria, is that I've gotten messages of people being like, grant does the. The woman. Women.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah. I'm getting a lot of other.

[Ria]

She does it too. And everyone's like, oh, Grant does the same thing. Ria does I have to, like, literally.

[Dylan Efron]

Force it out of my mouth. I'm like, women.

[Matt]

So what is the discrepancy with that? Is.

[Dylan Efron]

It's like. It's.

[Ria]

When you say. When you mean to say women, like a group of women.

[Matt]

I say woman.

[Ria]

Woman. I say, like, singular. Yeah, I learned it's a.

[Dylan Efron]

When it's a group, it's like, W, I, M, E, N. You know, that's how you pronounce it. Women. No, I'm telling you. But, like, I'm telling myself, too, you know? I mean. Yeah.

[Matt]

All the women.

[Dylan Efron]

Oh, no. All the ladies in the group. Yeah, right. It's just. It flows up. No, trust me, I feel you.

[Matt]

I started saying women. I started saying women, and then. Okay, I understand.

[Dylan Efron]

No, I. Trust me, I feel you. Okay. Like, I'm trying hard.

[Ria]

It does. Yes. No, that was funny. That was a funny, funny connection that I. Some people make.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah.

[Matt]

It's crazy how people pick up when you people will. Literally smallest.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Especially, like, being from Long island, you know, some of the words, I just say it a little bit.

[Ria]

Yeah, you're from New Jersey.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah, right. It just happens. And you're like, this is. This is how it's gonna be. You know?

[Matt]

I remember I came down the steps with Alex. I was like, what's up, girl? And people were like, he said, what's up, girl? Who does he think he is? I was like, just the way I talk.

[Dylan Efron]

You're like, that's how I talk. I don't know.

[Ria]

I'm on a date.

[Dylan Efron]

I'm on a date.

[Matt]

I'm just chilling, you know.

[Dylan Efron]

Right. Just trying to be myself here.

[Matt]

I know.

[Ria]

Yeah, absolutely. Well, not only have you had a, like, you know, meeting these women, sharing this for these relationships, you're also opening about your own family, your own, you know, childhood and growing up and those connections. What's it been like, kind of sharing your family stories, especially, you know, your relationship with your dad.

[Matt]

Yeah. I think that was one of the most beautiful things of the season for me, being so open about it. It was like therapy for me, you know, I think. And, like, I don't want to be that guy, to be like, you know, men should go to therapy. But I think that a lot of guys hold things in me being one of them. And then when you don't, you take it out, it ends up being taken out on people that you love. If you hold things in for too long, you know, something could go wrong. And then one day, you're just cursing people out or doing Something because you need to. You need to at least be able to talk about your feelings and, you know, so that you're. You're more emotionally aware of, like, where you're at. So during the season, I'm sitting behind the camera and I'm being asked certain questions and about my life and that I've held in for, like, 18 years. So I just. I got be like, whoa, I didn't like my father and this. And I start tearing up and crying, and then he comes on the show, and I'm like, oh, what the hell? You know, so. So it's crazy. I think that it was, like, it opened my eyes to how, you know, the importance of therapy and talking to your family.

[Grant Ellis]

For sure.

[Dylan Efron]

For sure.

[Ria]

No, that's great.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah. And when you start, like, crying about something when you're talking about it, sometimes you can really realize, like, oh, wait, this really does affect me.

[Ria]

Right? Exactly. You're like, it's nice to talk it out. And you're doing it on a much bigger scale with a massive audience, which can be super impactful and help a lot of people, too, which is. Which is always great. So thank you for doing that. Appreciate that. And we are so excited to see how this plays out. We got Zoe, Latia, Juliana headed into that final. We have one more question. Thanks to Armani Beauty. I know you can't reveal too much because, you know, no spoilers or anything, but we see the teasers, we see that it seems like you're really like. Like, the head space is. Is tough. I think there was one line in the. In the teaser that was like, will this be my downfall? Something like that. I was like, oh, downfall. That's. That's. That. That doesn't sound great. What can you say about, you know, how this is going to come to an end?

[Matt]

Yeah, I think that it just a testament to how. How great the women were. The. The ladies were.

[Ria]

I said that. Sorry. Now I called you out for it.

[Matt]

The ladies were, you know, and, you know, being the second black bachelor ever, you know, there's a lot of. There's an extra added level of pressure that. That comes with it. But ultimately, you know, you have. You make a decision on what is the best thing for you. And with the two ladies that were there at the end, they were so great. They were honestly one of a kind. Like, I don't know where they. I don't know where casting got them from. I don't know where they came from, but they were one of a kind. And it just. It just added for. I just needed a little more time to flesh things out and.

[Ria]

Right. That's you're like the, the privilege of time isn't one you really get on this. You don't really get on this show as much, but we can't wait to see how this plays out. Grant, thank you so much. Honestly, it's going to be tonight that everyone can watch the women tell all and see what, what happens there and then. We're really looking forward to the finale next week. Thank you so much for joining us and chatting with us.

[Dylan Efron]

Yeah. Thank you, Grant.

[Matt]

Thank you guys for having me. Thank you. I appreciate it.

[Dylan Efron]

All right, that wraps up today's episode of Chicks in the Office. Thank you so much for watching and listening. We love you guys so very much. Thank you for all the love and support. We will talk to you on Wednesday. Smooches and hugs to everybody.

[Ria]

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[Fran]

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[Ria]

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