Southern Charm's Austen Kroll Spills on His Breakup, Where He Stands w/ Craig Conover + Miley Cyrus Is Engaged!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Chicks in the Office – “Southern Charm’s Austen Kroll Spills on His Breakup, Where He Stands w/ Craig Conover + Miley Cyrus Is Engaged!”

Podcast: Chicks in the Office
Hosts: Ria, Fran (Barstool Sports), Kelly, and Noah
Guest: Austen Kroll (Southern Charm)
Date: December 3, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Chicks in the Office dives into all things pop culture with a heavy focus on reality TV and celebrity news. Notably, the Chicks welcome Southern Charm's Austen Kroll for an intimate conversation about his recent breakup, friendship struggles with Craig Conover, and the latest Southern Charm drama. They also cover Miley Cyrus’ surprise engagement, Club Chalamet’s big Wall Street Journal feature, and key reality TV updates. As always, the team answers fan voicemails, delivering unfiltered advice and hilarious hot takes.

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Main Segments and Key Discussions

1. Catch-Up, NYC Life & Holiday Vibes

• Weather Woes: The hosts talk about a messy, rainy NYC day, missing snowy winter vibes, and the cost of buying Christmas trees in the city.

  • “I had Joe guard this tree because...there were so many other people and I was like, Joe, you stand by that tree. You do not let anybody else take that tree.” — Fran (09:08)
  • Kelly and Fran share funny real-life stories about snagging the perfect Christmas tree despite fierce competition.

• Concert Merch and Holiday Shopping:

  • Fran praises the high quality of her Dua Lipa concert hoodie (13:24-13:55).
  • Both hosts chat about their favorite recent concert merch and ongoing holiday shopping strategies.

2. Pop Culture News & Recaps

- Stranger Things Season 5 Reactions (15:50—22:51)

• Kelly and Fran recap the new season, hit on discourse about the kids' aging, and dismiss criticism:
  • “If you didn’t go to school with a boy who between sophomore and junior year became a completely different person, I don’t know what to tell you.” — Fran (18:07)
• They discuss the show’s darker, more mature themes, praise standout performances (especially Holly Wheeler and Erica), and compare Stranger Things’ realism to Harry Potter’s evolution.
• Kelly also highly recommends Hamnet after an emotional theater experience, highlighting phenomenal child acting (22:42—26:52).

- Movie Reviews: Zootopia 2 & New Releases

• Brief, enthusiastic endorsement for Zootopia 2 as family-friendly holiday fun (27:22—28:35).
• “Go see Zootopia 2. Like, it’s worth seeing.” — Kelly (27:32)

3. Main Topics

Miley Cyrus Is Engaged! (33:00—38:21)

• Miley debuts her ring at an Avatar premiere; it’s a cushion-cut stone in a chunky gold band, described as “cool” and "very Miley".
• Discussion on how Miley and fiancé Max Rando possibly kept the news quiet, and how Miley might approach her second wedding.
• “You want to, like, change it up after...if you’ve already been married...you want to kind of like switch it up a little bit.” — Fran (36:11)

Club Chalamet in the Wall Street Journal (38:43—44:30)

• The legendary Timothée Chalamet fan, Club Chalamet, is profiled and photographed, creating waves.
• Kelly and Fran react to her spicy quote— “I can’t change the fact that I was born in 1966. I don’t want to be a 24-year-old white girl running Club Chalamet. I am who I am.” (40:45)
• The hosts debate the fine line between super fandom and over-the-top obsession, generally agreeing the coverage is warranted and entertaining.

Jen Shah Won’t Return to Bravo (49:01—54:20)

• Andy Cohen confirms Real Housewives of Salt Lake City's Jen Shah, freshly released from prison, will not return to Bravo—drawing a clear moral line.
  • “There has to be a line, which is fair...You probably don’t want to put her back on reality TV.” — Fran (51:32)
• Discussion on why certain legal troubles (tax fraud vs. exploiting the elderly) cross an uncrossable line.

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Interview with AUSTEN KROLL: Southern Charm Unfiltered (76:08—119:33)

Austen’s Annual “Check-Up”

• Austen details his “always nervous” Barstool podcast visits, the Chicks’ friendship with Madison, and stories of wild post-interview Bravo press junkets.
  • “I just tried to avoid doing interviews that whole year…Yes, I was shaking in my boots a little bit.” — Austen (77:31)

Southern Charm S10: Breakup Recap & Love Life

• Breakup honest talk: Austen candidly explains his recent split, the pressures of filming, and “accelerating your life” in reality TV:
  • “It forces the narrative, and it, like, accelerates your life by, like, 10 months.” — Austen (80:05)
• Admits enjoying the peace and slower pace of a long-distance relationship, but acknowledges it ultimately wasn’t meant to last.
• “Normally you break up because something happens…this was like, I mean, I’m fast-forwarding…but yeah, I’ve never done it in this manner.” — Austen (91:30)
• Discussion of the tricky transition from casual, long-distance dating to serious decisions like moving in together; Austen did not want to drag things out or let things “fizzle.”

His Friendship With Craig Conover

• Relationship with Craig described as complicated and cyclical, with recurring arguments about accountability and friendship priorities.
  • “Sometimes I just want to wring his neck…” — Austen (97:05)
• Acknowledges seasons of the show shift between male- and female-driven narratives as new cast additions find their footing.
• Admits working too closely can strain friendships:
  • “Working too closely is not the first time that has broken up…a friendship.” — Austen (101:59)
• Pills and Beer podcast is on hold until their friendship repairs:
  • “Friendship probably should come first before…” — Fran (102:09)

Handling Reality TV Drama & Social Media

• The hosts bring up past social media disagreements and jokes about being compared to George Washington (108:05–111:36).
• Austen admits to sometimes overreacting to “stray” comments online, revealing a relatable vulnerability.
• Wild stories about Facebook scams and impersonators show another side of being a reality TV figure.

BravoCon, Cast Rivalries & Dating

• Austen enjoyed BravoCon most when sharing it with his mom and sister; says the event is “a lot,” but fun every other year.
• Debates of alleged “Summer House v. Southern Charm” rivalry in Bravo fandom post-breakups; Austen says he has no “beef” with the cast.
• No hard feelings toward the Southern Hospitality cast, despite speculation (115:39–116:33).
• On if he’d date another reality star: “Done both. On one hand, you think it’s easier. It’s kind of not…It’s just got to be right.” (117:14)

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Popcorner: Listener Voicemails & Advice (55:40—74:41)

Notable Calls and Advice

• Wicked the Musical Hot Take: A caller rants about disliking Glinda for being a bad friend. Fran and Kelly disagree, arguing she missed the show’s main point about growth, compromise, and ambition overcoming “happily ever after” fairy tales (56:59–58:40).

• Survivor v. Traitors Crossovers:
  A caller reacts to Jeff Probst’s alleged frustration about Survivor cast members joining other competition shows. Fran and Kelly defend cross-promotion for broadening reality fandom, insist producers shouldn’t block contestants from other opportunities.

  • “To stop people from…getting opportunities to go on other shows…feels like not a great idea.” — Fran (61:10)

• Hilary Duff’s Christmas Album:
  Caller asks about the cult classic Santa Claus Lane Christmas album. Fran and Kelly reminisce about Hilary Duff’s early 2000s glory and agree they’d attend a Christmas tour in a heartbeat (64:44–67:34).

• Advice: Friends All Having Kids? A (child-free) caller asks how to navigate friendships as everyone else transitions to parenthood.

  • Kelly (who’s childfree herself) assures: “Stay strong…You just need to manage your time with your friends better. The sun has set on those days [of spontaneity]…” (71:24)
  • Encouragement to find new routines, embrace the “cool aunt/uncle” role, and beware changing your mind out of FOMO.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Tree Shopping in NYC:
  • “It was a tree competition.” — Kelly (09:43)
• Miley’s Engagement Ring:
  • “It looks more like costumey, but in a cool way.” — Fran (36:03)
• On Club Chalamet:
  • “I respect the shit out of it. To be honest, I respect Club Chalamet a lot more than I did before I saw this article.” — Kelly (44:17)
• Austin Kroll, on the pains of reality TV breakups:
  • “Normally you break up because something happens…this was like, I mean, I’m fast-forwarding…but yeah, I’ve never done it in this manner.” (91:30)
• Austin Kroll, on explosive Craig moments:
  • “Sometimes I just want to wring his neck…” (97:05)
• Kelly, on staying childfree:
  • “Don’t do it for fomo. [The spontaneity’s] gone, but that’s fine because you’re not going to want as much as you get older either …it takes a village to raise kids, so get as involved or as uninvolved as you want.” (71:24–74:41)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• NYC Holiday Life, Christmas Tree Stories: 04:05–13:13
• Stranger Things/Pop Recap: 15:50–26:52
• Miley Cyrus’ Engagement: 33:00–38:21
• Wall Street Journal Club Chalamet Feature: 38:43–44:30
• Jen Shah/Bravo Commentary: 49:01–54:20
• Voicemails & Advice: 55:40–74:41
• Austen Kroll Interview: 76:08–119:33

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Tone and Style

• The episode is lively, irreverent, and genuine—with the Chicks maintaining their trademark blend of sarcasm, empathy, and pop-culture expertise.
• Austen Kroll fits comfortably into the dynamic, blending humor, candor, and a little bit of self-deprecation.

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Conclusion

This episode offers the ultimate reality TV gossip (straight from the source), relatable life advice, and a fun celebration of pop culture’s quirkiest stories—from heated NYC tree shopping to Timothée Chalamet’s most devoted fan. Austen Kroll gives one of his most vulnerable interviews yet, and listeners get everything from Miley’s under-the-radar engagement scoop to candid friendship advice.

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Recommended For:
Anyone who loves Bravo, Southern Charm, TV gossip, or needs a laugh about the chaos of modern adulthood.

Transcript

[Fran]

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[Chicks in the Office Intro]

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[Fran]

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[Kelly]

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[Fran]

What's up, everyone? It's Chicks in the office with Brian. Fran giving you that Friday energy on a Wednesday. Happy Wednesday. It is a. It's a Kelly epi. Woo.

[Kelly]

It's a little Kelly EPI today.

[Fran]

Kelly is with me, Fran. Hi, everybody, it's Fran.

[Kelly]

Hello. Nice to meet you.

[Fran]

Doing the intro.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Hello. Just for. For clarification. Wild. A wild day for our. Our sweet Rhea. Lots. Lots of. Lots of. Lots of up sounds. Car emergency. Things had to be figured out. Conflicting times. I can only be here a certain time. It's like, so here we are.

[Kelly]

Yes. And we're here. And I happened to already be here. And it was just. And nothing to do at this time, so. How lovely. Perfect.

[Fran]

It was just a. Like a sad sympathy. Sympathy symphony of bad events one after the other. And on top of that, it's like the most disgusting day ever in New York City.

[Kelly]

So. It's so horrible out, like the rain, the flooding in the streets. It's disgusting. I wear the absolute wrong shoes. Terrible.

[Fran]

I mean, if you're watching on YouTube, you can see the discrepancy in my shoes versus Kelly today.

[Kelly]

I did not. I did not think I was gonna.

[Fran]

Rain up snow boots because it is disgusting. And I do walk to work and I had to take a few detours because I. I had some. Funny.

[Kelly]

I had to hop over a puddle with my Starbucks this morning. I said, oh, no. Oh, no.

[Ria]

I know.

[Kelly]

And, you know, people are. It really does, like, disrupt your day when you can't just walk your normal path. I know that's crazy to say, talking about the rain, but seriously, bad rain. Wintry mix.

[Fran]

Yeah, definitely. And I'm so jealous of people that are like, a little bit north who are getting snow.

[Kelly]

My parents got snow.

[Fran]

We just never get snow anymore here.

[Kelly]

I know, it's really disappointing.

[Fran]

I mean, it doesn't snow here.

[Kelly]

It's supposed to snow big. I think may, maybe today, Wednesday.

[Fran]

No, but I don't know.

[Kelly]

Kelly, listen, because it says that and.

[Fran]

Then it's supposed to be. All I keep saying is, now it's.

[Kelly]

A beautiful sunny day.

[Fran]

Tomorrow we're supposed to be getting blistering cold through the end of the year.

[Kelly]

But with no snow, that's stupid. How am I gonna. How am I gonna bring myself to Central Park? And take pictures of the snow.

[Fran]

I know, I know. My poor sweet Olive. She does not. She's not. I'm, I'm. She's gonna have a full blown wardrobe. I'm. I've got her a winter coat.

[Kelly]

Does she. Will she wear shoes or does she walk around?

[Fran]

Well, the problem is, is that she's gonna have to.

[Kelly]

She's gonna have to. And I can't wait to see her put them on for the first time. You know how dogs walk.

[Fran]

Yeah. She's honestly, the ones that I ordered her in the instruction manual that came with them, it was like, do this slowly multi. Like, don't put them on the first day you take them outside. Like, put them on. Positive reinforcement. Give them a tree, like the whole thing so that they like the boots. And it literally said, like, we know how funny it is to see, to see them trying to walk in them.

[Kelly]

It is hilarious. Front legs are.

[Fran]

I don't like this. Yeah, she's going to hate it for sure. She's going to hate it. She's going to hate it for sure. But it is. Yeah, it's. It's gross today. I just want it to snow. But I did have a lovely tree night starting. Tree night landed right on December 1st, which was nice.

[Kelly]

And.

[Fran]

Getting a real tree in New York City is an adventure on its own. Because if you want the most convenient way to do it, it's also the. Obviously the most expensive.

[Kelly]

Right.

[Fran]

Way to do it. There are obviously other places you can go to get a cheaper tree, but the trees that are on the street, my God. They, it's. They, they. It's quite the expense.

[Kelly]

It. It really is. And it totally depends on the neighborhood. I'll tell you what. I. I've got my tree guys on my corner who I love. I paid 130 for like a, for like an almost six foot tree.

[Ria]

Wow.

[Kelly]

Which I was like, what a steal.

[Fran]

And I also bought a little. It sounds ridiculous because people are gonna be like, what? But, yes, but I, but I have.

[Kelly]

A friend of mine, but in Chelsea.

[Fran]

In my area, in my area, a six foot tree will ring you like 180, 200.

[Kelly]

Yeah, my, my friend did 250 and he's having it delivered. And I said, oh, there's another extra fee. This was an extra fee, right? Exactly. No.

[Fran]

Joe throws that tree right on his shoulder, walks home with it.

[Kelly]

Yeah, of course. Because me too. Me too, by the way. Me too.

[Fran]

And no. So that was very exciting. And honestly, I'm very excited about it because it's one of our best picks.

[Kelly]

Good.

[Fran]

It's a good looking tree.

[Kelly]

I'll show you nothing better than a good tree. My tree is really good.

[Fran]

I know. I was very excited about it and just like very proportional. I love that full and smells great, which I was excited about. But you know, like how you put the tree into the sand and then you. I watch it so diligently the first day because I'm like, you better be drinking.

[Kelly]

Oh yeah, you better be drinking water.

[Fran]

Because nothing's worse than when they don't drink water. You're like, this tree's already dead. I just got it.

[Kelly]

And look how cute she is. She's not decorating. Oh, beautiful. But, well, beautiful. Like, honestly, I wish I took a. Oh, no, I have a photo of mine. But I decorated.

[Fran]

But I had Joe Gar this tree because when we walked up, there were so many other people and I was like, joe, you stand by that tree. You do not let anybody else take that tree. A gorgeous.

[Kelly]

Thank you.

[Fran]

Gorgeous.

[Kelly]

I Fran, I had a almost identical experience I went to. So I. I live very close to my tree stand. It's the same guys every year. They're like major hippies. You know, most of them are.

[Fran]

That's basically every single one.

[Kelly]

Yes.

[Fran]

Same with our guys. They're very one in Chelsea.

[Kelly]

My guys make. Of course. My guys make like little wood carvings. Like they made a. A wood carving of a reindeer smoking a cigarette. I bought it for $30, you know, it's whatever. So they're just cool hippies doing their thing. But I was walking by, I had to go pick up something at H and M. And I was walking by, going back to my apartment and I. I kind of with my eyeballs scoped some trees, I get very lucky where every year for the past couple of years, I've chosen the first tree I grab. And it ends up being like, perfect. And so I'm trying to keep that streak up. Y. I'm looking and I spot one. I'm like, oh, I like that tree. And I come down and I'm like beelining it to this tree.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

And some girl comes out of nowhere. I know she sees me and she. She starts monopolizing the attention of the tree guy, being like, I need help. And then she starts just like grabbing trees. And I'm like, wait a minute.

[Fran]

You gotta.

[Kelly]

You can't just like, grab the tree. Yeah. So she's grabbing trees, she's making this guy hold up one. Weighing them, whatever.

[Fran]

Right, right.

[Kelly]

I'm standing next to the tree that I want Waiting for this guy to be done with her and work with me. The other guy was wrapping up another tree, like, whatever. So I'm standing there waiting. I grab the tree, and I pick. I just kind of look at it. Cause she's fully in my way, like, whatever. So I'm looking at it, whatever. And I'm like, yeah, this is the one. So I set it back down, and I'm waiting patiently. And then all of a sudden, she turns around, she's holding two other trees, looks at me, and is like, you might have to help me with something here. I was like, what? And then she grabs the tree I'm waiting for. And so I said, well, it looks like I already helped you, because that's the tree I'm trying to get. And she goes, oh, ha ha. And then keeps holding it as if she's gonna now get this tree.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kelly]

And I'm sitting there, like, what kind of scene am I about to start? Like, am I gonna raise this girl and be like, that's my tree, or am I gonna let her buy this tree in front of me and absolutely tree cuck me? Like, is that what's gonna happen and.

[Fran]

Give me my Christmas tree?

[Kelly]

Well, she made the fatal mistake of putting that tree down for two seconds. And I walked up, I snatched it away, I brought it over here, and I said, this is my tree, and I'm ready. On the way out, she goes, congrats. It really is a beautiful tree. As if we, like, had a fight about the tree. I was like, no, girl, you try.

[Fran]

To see my tree.

[Kelly]

And I caught you.

[Fran]

It was a tree competition.

[Kelly]

It was nuts. And this all went down in, like, in, like, five minutes. I couldn't believe what was happening. But, yeah, I know. I was sorry to that girl if I was a. But you were a bitch.

[Fran]

No, it is. It is. Look, it's a competition. I. So there are multiple other young couples that were there when Joe and I were there, and they were eyeing the tree that I was eyeing. And I was like, joe, you stand by that tree. Because then also, it's like, we know. We know the price we're in for because we've been getting it from the same place. We know how ridiculous it is every time we go. One of the other couples was definitely like, oh, what? Like, hearing it, and was like, not happy about it. I'm like, super fair. I understand.

[Kelly]

It is.

[Fran]

But they were like, what about that one? Looking at the tree? And when the guy said it, they were like, oh, no, no. And it was like, okay, great joke. Stay by archery. Yeah, thank you.

[Kelly]

And that's how you got to do it. And. And yes, you have to be prepared for. For a major expense. And yeah, I. You know what, though? I asked my dad right before, because I was home, obviously, for Thanksgiving, and I asked him about tree prices out in Jersey.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

And he said they're kind of around the same. He said, I think last year my parents get two real trees now. A big one and a small one. And the big one, I think he said it was like a hundred bucks. Yeah. I was like, you know, that. That makes 130.

[Fran]

Yeah, that definitely makes sense. But like, you could get a pretty big tree for 100 bucks.

[Kelly]

Totally. And yeah, full size trees. Yeah.

[Fran]

Compared to what? Like when I see. When I see like the 10 footers that they have.

[Kelly]

Oh, yeah.

[Fran]

On the sidewalks, I'm like, who's buying these? Because this must be a 400 tree, if not more.

[Kelly]

Did you see that lady in Soho on her phone complaining, this Soho, like, tree area. Apparently the trees are going for 500 bucks.

[Ria]

Oh.

[Kelly]

And I don't know exactly how big the tree was, but she was like, I got two trees. For whatever reason, she like walked out of there $1200 later, and I was like, 100. That's a six. Like, what are you talking about? If I walked up to the tree stand and said, I would like these two trees, please, and they said, that'll be twelve hundred dollars. I laugh in their face and walk away. Like, I guess I'm getting a fake one off Amazon this year.

[Fran]

Like, that's right.

[Kelly]

You shouldn't be spending twelve hundred dollars on your tree.

[Fran]

No, that's crazy.

[Kelly]

On two trees.

[Fran]

That's a crazy. Yeah. No way. But, but no, it was, it was, it was. That was glorious. It's also decorated in here, so shout out.

[Kelly]

Beautiful in here.

[Fran]

The whole team.

[Kelly]

Is this real? Yes. So cute. Love it.

[Ria]

Our little.

[Kelly]

I feel the SAP.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

Wow, it does look really beautiful in here.

[Fran]

Well done. Well done, everybody.

[Kelly]

All kinds of festive festivities I'm sure Noah had.

[Fran]

Was this your vision?

[Noah]

I mean, no, it's what we do every. Every year, but yes.

[Fran]

Well, okay, so I'm saying Scrooge Sarah and Maddie executed every year.

[Noah]

Yeah, they did.

[Ria]

Blah, blah.

[Noah]

But I. I focus more on the cleaning as we. We really cleaned out.

[Fran]

We did.

[Kelly]

I like, you did do a great job.

[Fran]

The garland looks. Looks lovely. The tree's so cute. Our star Zac Efron's back on top.

[Kelly]

1799. This Niagara Falls ornament.

[Fran]

No that, that was a ripoff, I will say. And we all got them. It was crazy.

[Kelly]

That's crazy.

[Fran]

That was, you know, that was a Niagara Falls tourist. Like, that was like the trap. Yes, for sure. We went into a gift shop and they robbed us blind in there. But we were like, we need all.

[Kelly]

These things sometimes you gotta. I, I'm the same if there's a souvenir option. Well, we're, we're very similar at, you know, we go to concerts and stuff. The merch, it's like I, I, I black out and it's like I need the collectibles.

[Fran]

Yeah, I know, I know. You want to know actually of all the concerts that I went to this year and all the merch that I brought home, I actually think that the best quality good that I purchased was a camouflage Dua Lipa hoodie.

[Kelly]

Oh, yeah. Surprising. Actually not. I mean, why would it be surprising?

[Fran]

But, and it like, it was certainly expensive.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Fran]

But high quality. It was probably 100 bucks.

[Kelly]

Yeah, that makes sense for like a good hoodie.

[Fran]

Like thick, high quality, solid sweatshirt that I actually feel like I was like, wow, this is a, this is a very well purchase.

[Kelly]

This is a.

[Fran]

Because, because I feel like sometimes depending on where you are and a lot of them are like 80 to $100. I feel like concert sweatshirts.

[Kelly]

Totally.

[Fran]

And I'll go home with an $81 that is not like garbage see through. It's so, you know, so I liked.

[Kelly]

My, I got some good one good ones from Sabrina. I got like a zip up. Like a gray zip up.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

Sabrina. That I love. I'm like living in it these days. It's really cute.

[Fran]

That's a good one too.

[Kelly]

Yeah. I got a big oversized, you know, it's nice.

[Fran]

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[Kelly]

Yes.

[Fran]

Here at Barstool, and I finished episode four on Monday night. So now it's like, now we're in the. In the waiting game, but really just a fantastic fourth episode. Noah, you're. No, you are watching or you.

[Noah]

I am watching, but I'm only on. I only watch one.

[Kelly]

Okay. You'll. You'll see.

[Fran]

So I don't want to spoil.

[Kelly]

I didn't. Yeah, I don't want to spoil anything for anybody because people are still. They're definitely still watching. And if you've avoided spoilers at this point, like, good for you. But I was not. Like, I. I watched Stranger Things up until season three. I hated season three so much. I thought it was so bad. I hated the, like, mall moment. Like, whatever. It was dumb.

[Fran]

I liked them all.

[Kelly]

I. I just thought it was so unrealistic. Like, you know what I mean? Which I love. I mean, I talk. Coming from the girl who literally lives in Harry Potter world. Like, I. You know, I. But sometimes I have limits, and that was one of them. And so I didn't watch season four and then season five. Everything's coming out. I obviously knew the. The moment with the Kate Bush running up that hill. Like, I had seen that scene, and, like, I. You know, I get the gist. And I watched the first four of season five, volume. Whatever, volume one they're calling it, and I needed, like, a little bit of filling in of the gaps, but it was totally fine watching it. And it's really good. Like, it's back all the way. And I went back then and watched Pieces of four to fill in more gaps that I was missing. But it. It's certainly taken a leap into more, like, interesting, darker, adult, like, you know, storylines. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, we've got the government involved, and, like, for sure, the kids are, you know, they're. They're older, they're seniors. I don't have a problem with that's like the big discourse thing. I don't have a problem with how they look. I think that the kids, they were hired to be child actors and they have grown up and so have their characters and it makes sense. And, and I'm calling it Harry Potter. It's definitely how.

[Fran]

Yeah, it would have been. It would have been way weirder if they tried to like, make them look younger.

[Kelly]

Yes.

[Fran]

Or. I don't, like, recap. Recasting is not even an option. But like, no, you know what I'm saying? Like, it would have been weird if they tried to like CGI them to be younger looking or whatever. I don't know. It's. I have no problem with it. It's totally fine. I think also if you didn't go to school with a boy who between sophomore and junior year became a completely different person.

[Kelly]

Yep.

[Fran]

I don't know what to tell you. Like, I, I, it makes complete. There's like, there was high school, some of my guy friends. If you were to look at them freshman from. Is it falling off the side? You can hear the tape slowly ripping. Yes.

[Ria]

Okay.

[Fran]

But if you were to look like freshman year to senior year, it's completely different human being.

[Kelly]

Of course. And that is where people are now. They're projecting their, their hatred of like the previous seasons onto this. Like they're looking for something to complain about. And this is what it is. There's nothing to complain about.

[Fran]

I don't even really think they look drastically that much different from season four. Season four? Season four. They looked old, a lot older, obviously, but it's like they're 18. Like, how old are they?

[Kelly]

That's what I said. I said they're not even that old.

[Noah]

I also don't think that they look like that never really crossed my mind.

[Kelly]

Me neither.

[Fran]

I know I'm not, I'm not thinking like, oh my God.

[Noah]

Like, think about you.

[Fran]

I'm not looking at Mike thinking, oh my God, Mike looks like he's 30. Like, no, he's 22.

[Kelly]

Right. Like, chill.

[Noah]

Everybody's like, if you compare the cast of Euphoria to this cast, they look like they're 20 years older than the stranger kids.

[Kelly]

A billion percent. Yes.

[Fran]

For sure.

[Kelly]

And I, I don't know who started the.

[Fran]

It's not like 30 year olds don't play high schoolers all the time.

[Kelly]

All the time.

[Noah]

That's where like 30. When he played, when he was on Hannah Montana.

[Fran]

Yes.

[Kelly]

Yeah. Yes. And, and that is what people are choosing that they can't like, suspend Their disbelief for that. It's like, we've got. There's a demo organ or whatever and the upside down. I think we can.

[Fran]

The only one that was. The only one that was cracking me up. And I don't know how old she actually is. I got to look her. Oh, this is Erica.

[Kelly]

Yeah, Erica.

[Fran]

This is who I fudgeing love. I think Erica is like the funniest person on Stranger Things.

[Kelly]

Yes. I think they had to change up her hair and they didn't.

[Fran]

They like, you know, like, you know, like when you're just like, oh, this. You know, this. This girl's becoming a woman.

[Kelly]

Yes.

[Fran]

And she doesn't quite look like she's 12.

[Kelly]

No, she does not. Not even close.

[Ria]

But I don't.

[Fran]

But I'm also like, how old is she supposed to be on the show? I don't even know.

[Kelly]

Season four, she was 11, and she passed for 11. I thought now with season five, she looks 15 at least, but I think.

[Fran]

In reality, like 20, because. Right. She's supposed to be playing. She must be still.

[Kelly]

She's playing a freshman. She's playing.

[Fran]

She's playing a freshman.

[Kelly]

Okay. No, sorry. She's in eighth grade. Eighth grade.

[Fran]

Yeah, I was going to say, I think she was in. Right.

[Kelly]

Remember they ran to the middle school.

[Fran]

I mean, she's 19 right now, so it's like, that's going to be. That's a tougher.

[Kelly]

Chill. Chill.

[Fran]

When I saw her walking, when they called her out of the classroom and she walked down the steps, I was.

[Kelly]

Like, she's grown up. Girl.

[Ria]

Girl.

[Kelly]

She's a woman.

[Fran]

Oh, my God. I freaking love Erica.

[Kelly]

She's very funny.

[Fran]

She is an. An amazing character. But no, it was. It's. It's. It's good for sure. I. I'm excited to see how. How it all plays out. I'm not gonna spoil it.

[Kelly]

Of course. There's some really good. There's some really good acting, I'll say, like. Like Holly, the. The child act like she, I think, is really good.

[Fran]

You know, there's certain.

[Kelly]

Still.

[Fran]

I'm very like, I just act like I know what I'm talking about, but. And I'm watching it and I'm like, I hope they explain this to me at some point because I'm like, yeah, Holly and. Holly and Max just being like we're trapped in his mind. And I'm like, well, what?

[Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, say. What do you mean? So, yeah, it helps. It. How is it Season four helps with that?

[Fran]

I'm like, so, like, how are you how is this working?

[Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where are you physically?

[Fran]

So you're not on the Upside down, but you're also somewhere else, but you're not here. But you're in his mind. But it's all his memories. But he can go back and forth. Yeah, in the memories from him and Vna. But as Henry and. But he can also go back into the real world and snap you all.

[Kelly]

I was comparing it to Multiverse of Madness. I said, we got a little.

[Fran]

We got a little doctor, But Henry's popping.

[Kelly]

These are light spoilers. But.

[Fran]

Right, right, right. He's popping into. He's popping into Hawkins being like.

[Kelly]

He's switching up his. He's putting his. His Henry Creel mask on over here. Yeah. There. Four helps with a little bit of that. But I will say that.

[Fran]

And I watch all four, so.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

Oh, okay. No, I watched it all just went back like I. I watched five and then I went back and watched more. So it's fresh in my mind. Yeah, but.

[Fran]

But like Max going through that whole journey of hers, I was like.

[Kelly]

That was kind of slightly confused. That is. That really made me think about just Multiverse of madness. Yeah, exactly. Like there's. You're stuck in a memory. You're stuck in an endless time loop. Whatever. Same. Same vibes. But ultimately, I thought it was good. The kid actors are good. Specifically Holly Wheeler, who I. Who she had been around the whole time.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

Like, she was kind of around, hanging out in the. In the wings. Little kid, no one's paying attention.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

And all of a sudden it's like, you know. But she had great facial acting. I couldn't get over. Like, I was really captivated by her. I think she.

[Fran]

I thought that too. I was like, she was doing.

[Kelly]

She's doing a Good job, Mrs. Wheeler. Yep. She was absolutely crushing it. But speaking of child actors who deserve awards, I had asked Fran if I could sing the praises of Hamnet.

[Fran]

Yes, you may.

[Kelly]

While I was on here today and I saw it last night, a very late night showing. No. Barely anyone in the theater. I think there were like eight of us in the theater. 10:45pm and I. I live very close to the theater, so my mom was like, you walked there? I was like, mom, I'm like, yeah, so. But I. I went. And the. I knew I was going to be emotional. I knew it was going to be like a sad movie. I did not expect to. Dry heaving, sobbing, like the most crying I've ever done. The theater.

[Fran]

That's kind of what I'm Expecting. Because even in the commercials, like, even when they, you know, in the commercials that plan TV and they go through some of the. The reviews or whatever, and it's like gut wrenching. Second half.

[Kelly]

Yes. Like, you're like, literally second half. Like, that is not a. And you know, I'm trying to think. The last time I cried really hard at a movie like that, I want to say maybe like Manchester by the Sea, like, that was like that maybe. And that was awful. In a different.

[Fran]

Those movies I really actually try to avoid, like, most of those.

[Kelly]

You gotta prepare.

[Fran]

Anytime someone see, like when they're like, oh, I just. Like that one. I never saw Mantis. What was the one with Brendan Fraser, the whale. Oh, it was like, never saw it. Marley and me never seen. We'll never watch Marlee.

[Kelly]

Marley and me, I saw once and I couldn't tell you a single thing about it because I've blocked it from my mind. It's too depressing. And I don't know what that means.

[Fran]

No, I will literally never watch Marlee.

[Kelly]

And you shouldn't. There's no need. No one needs to be that sad, you know, so Hamnet does tap into that, but it's all based on Shakespeare's. What happened in his life. He got married and he had kids and one of his kids died of the plague. And that's like what happened in real life. So this tells that story. Not a spoiler, Not a spoiler. Sorry. So, like, I. I hope I. You know, if you know Shakespeare lore, like, you can look it up, but not a spoiler.

[Fran]

But I mean, it is the entire premise of the movie.

[Kelly]

Right, you know? Exactly. And I didn't say which. Which child. So it's definitely not a spoiler.

[Fran]

It's like even, but even when you Google the movie, the overview was like, how they deal with the death of their son.

[Kelly]

Exactly. So who is literally named Hamnet.

[Ria]

So that's.

[Kelly]

It's literally about him. But the. The acting, again, just phenomenal all around. Paul Mezkal. I can't. What am I forgetting that the main girl, Jess Buckley, just Jessie Buckley. And you know, Joe Alwyn, alert trigger for all the Joe widows out there. The Taylor Swift who are still mourning the breakup that he's in it. He's useless, though, Loki. Like, he's. He is always just kind of that, like, filler British character. He plays the brother. He plays Jesse Buckley's Anya, Shakespeare's brother. And. And he's fine. Like, it's like he's doing a bad job. He's Just there's no reason for him to be there. Fair and. But Paul's. Paul and Jesse, their chemistry is insane. They are just. They're really good together. But the kids, specifically Hamnet, the little boy who plays Hamnet. Oh my fucking God. Like, I. I've never seen child acting like that. The emotion in his face and maybe it's just the way he looks like. I was so cat. It made it 10 times more emotional for me because I was just like, oh my God. And I really get choked up over kid stuff, to be honest. Like I do sometimes, but not in the way of like, you know, like my mom like really gets upset about stuff like that. I don't really. But I just have to sing praises and I. It just came out like last Friday.

[Fran]

Yeah. I want to say it's like it's 26.

[Kelly]

That came out.

[Fran]

It came out like this past week, but in. In a. I think like a limited release. And then like the end of this week it's full blown out.

[Kelly]

Oh, is that like what's going on?

[Ria]

Yeah. Okay.

[Kelly]

Because I was wondering why people aren't talking more about it.

[Fran]

Because I was wondering commercial for it last night that was like in theaters, limited release now or whatever.

[Kelly]

I highly, highly recommend. Especially if you are. I mean, if you appreciate like a British drama with Shakespeare sprinkled in. Yeah, you'll really like it. Like, it's. It's really, really good, I think. And I just.

[Fran]

I love how you said it was only two hours. I said amazing. Yeah.

[Kelly]

It's a two hour movie. Quick in and out get really gets to the point. But it feels, it doesn't feel long, but it feels full, if that makes sense. Like I left it being like, wow. Yeah. Like not too long, not too short, you know, Goldilocks.

[Fran]

Amazing. I'm really. That's on my list. And I was saying to you before that I do really want to go see Eternity.

[Kelly]

Me too. I do too. I love Callum Turner. Love, love. Miles Teller. Yeah, I just. Their names are so similar. I only. Callum Turner. Miles Teller.

[Fran]

Yeah, the Teller Turner.

[Kelly]

Elizabeth Olsen. Yeah, I love Elizabeth Olsen.

[Fran]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kelly]

I think it's.

[Fran]

I'm very. I'm very excited to see that too. I really want to see it. A lot of. Definitely a lot of movie time after my Zootopia 2 viewing, going to the theaters.

[Kelly]

Oh, Zootopia 2. I. I also had the pleasure of seeing that over the weekend. Fantastic movie. Fantastic. Everything that. I know that Fran said that she already talked about it. I'll talk about for two Seconds.

[Ria]

The.

[Kelly]

The adult jokes are great. It totally holds up. I remember when Zootopia 1 came out, how much of a blockbuster it ended up being. And I feel like it wasn't totally appreciated right away. Go see Zootopia too. Like, it's worth seeing.

[Fran]

I just saw the clip of you guys talking about that. It's like the. The opening weekend is like, the fourth highest.

[Kelly]

Yes.

[Fran]

Opening weekend ever.

[Kelly]

Up with, like, ever in movies. Like, up with, like, Spider man and. Yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

With the Marvel movies. That would break records. And then it's like Zootopia, too.

[Noah]

Yes.

[Fran]

I feel I did. Yeah. I contributed to that. I saw an opening day.

[Kelly]

Oh, yeah. I said. When I saw that it was coming out, I said, oh, that's gonna make a billion dollars.

[Fran]

And let me tell you, perfect time for it to come out than Thanksgiving weekend. Perfect time for a movie release and having it come out, whatever it was. Wednesday. Brilliant.

[Kelly]

Agreed. Couldn't agree more. Very funny. Good. A few good, like, nods to returning characters, a bunch of new people. Really good stuff. Cute. Cute for the kids, fun for the adults.

[Fran]

I'm about to have a nail.

[Kelly]

Oh, no. Fran, you always get that broken nail in that same spot, don't you?

[Fran]

Oh, my God. Well, yeah. Oh, no, I just, like. I looked down and felt it was like. Oh, no.

[Kelly]

Did it get caught on your hair or something? That's always when.

[Fran]

I know it's probably.

[Kelly]

Probably. Damn. And your nails really aren't like. I would. I'd probably go, like, a little longer before getting them done.

[Fran]

I. Yeah. You know, I mean, to be honest, this has been almost like a month.

[Kelly]

No way.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

Really?

[Fran]

Yeah, it's lasted a really long.

[Austin Kroll]

It looks like.

[Kelly]

It looks like maybe two weeks to me.

[Fran]

I know.

[Kelly]

Here. Not even really.

[Fran]

No. It's been a really long time, but I have. And I have, like, major bad OCD when a. Oh, of course, it's not, like, fully. It's not. Okay. It can be salvaged maybe.

[Kelly]

Probably if they. If they do the jello or glue a little bit.

[Fran]

My problem is the place I go to now is, like, freaking impossible to.

[Kelly]

Get a. Oh, no, it's too good.

[Fran]

Get an appointment. Yeah, it's like, you have to, like, make it weeks in advance. It's, like, kind of a pain in the ass.

[Kelly]

So I still go to, like, a regular ass place that I just walk into. But they. And some of the ladies are really good at the gel x and other people are not. Right. And it's a hit or miss. I got a good one last time. They're pretty good right now.

[Fran]

Oh, man. Okay, well, that's gonna hate that. I'm gonna be distracted the whole rest of the time. I'm like one of those people that.

[Kelly]

Band aid on it.

[Fran]

Like, I know. Seriously, I have to do that.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Fran]

When I. If, like, the littlest thing cracks, I'm just like. Then I'm locked into it.

[Kelly]

You're like, I gotta go.

[Fran]

Because I'm like, this is. I. I need to go right now. Like, I need to get this fixed.

[Kelly]

Right before you rip it off. I do the same thing is if it's ripped a little bit, I just push, push, push until I rip the whole thing.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

Oh, God.

[Fran]

Okay, well, that's. That's the later problem. Anyway, we have a great. We have a great rest of the show. We are gonna do some topics and voicemails, and we have an amazing interview with Austin Kroll. You know, I feel like when Austin comes in, it's. I don't even really like to characterize it as an interview person.

[Kelly]

No, he's your friend.

[Fran]

You know, he's been on multiple times now. He's. He probably, like, dreads coming in here because we always like to grill him a little bit.

[Kelly]

Of course. How's he doing? Well, put him on the hot.

[Fran]

He good. I mean, I think it's like the show just started again. Southern charm is back on. Yeah. He has a girlfriend right now on the show, but they do break up.

[Kelly]

Oh, bummer. So.

[Fran]

Well, you know, we were kind of diving into. Diving into a lot of that. And obviously his friendship with Craig is having his ups and downs.

[Kelly]

Sure.

[Ria]

And.

[Fran]

And all. And all that fun stuff. So we're talking to him about all that. So let's get into the topics we have. Miley Cyrus is engaged.

[Kelly]

Congratulations.

[Fran]

We're waiting for this one to happen. Club Chalamet got a full Wall Street Journal article. Spread pictures, interview, the whole. The whole shebang. And on radio. Andy. Andy today said that Jen Shaw will not be returning to Salt Lake City. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, which I feel like we all kind of knew. But always good to feel like we're getting a firm answer. And then. And then we'll do some voicemails. Let's get into it. You guys know we love talking about skims. The skims essentials. It's the bra I wear every day. The bralettes.

[Kelly]

You know, I love skims. Everything complete overhaul on my entire closet. Bras, underwears, everything.

[Fran]

I got skims bra underwear on right now. And what I'm really Getting into the rotation is the skims sleep sets which are so comfortable. Oh my gosh, perfect for the holidays. I just got this gorgeous long sleeve button down and pants in, in a cypress color. So it's like a green, a festive green color. And I will be lounging in that bad boy all holiday season. You will see me weari that often. They also have a ton of really cute prints for the holidays. It makes for such a great gift as well. I think if you're looking for some like if you got somebody for a secret Santa or something where you're like I don't, I don't know, you're not quite sure what direction to go in pajamas or something cozy.

[Kelly]

Totally.

[Fran]

Always the way to go.

[Kelly]

Skims has got a plaid sweater right now and a matching plaid semi sheer like full footed tight leggings. They're it's amazing. I bought them immediately. So good. Really good combo.

[Fran]

It really does make for such a good gift too. I think when you get like either cousins, aunts, uncles, little skims pajama set. Yeah, it's perfection.

[Kelly]

I wear a pink fluffy sweater. A couple weeks ago everybody was like where'd you get that sweater? Skims.

[Fran]

Yep.

[Kelly]

Yep.

[Fran]

So you can shop our favorite [e-mail] after you place your order be sure to let them know we sent you select podcasts in the survey and be sure to select each our show in the drop down menu that follows. And if you're looking for the perfect gift for everyone on your list, the skims holiday shop is now [e-mail] okay. Exciting news. Miley Cyrus is engaged. She and Max, her fiance Max Rando.

[Austin Kroll]

Are.

[Fran]

Stepping out with the. With the ring on. They were at the Avatar Fire and Ash premiere.

[Kelly]

Kind of crazy. Miley's premiere for what? I mean does she have a maybe. Maybe she must have something.

[Fran]

Maybe she can do a song.

[Kelly]

Probably she must.

[Fran]

A lot of her caption like sounded like a lyric to me too. It's.

[Kelly]

That to me is just so out of place for her to show up to that randomly that there's no doubt in my mind that she's involved somehow.

[Fran]

Like I have to imagine with the.

[Noah]

Her song Dream as one is featured in.

[Kelly]

There you go.

[Noah]

Avatar.

[Kelly]

There you go. Yeah, perfect Avatar. Yeah. It's James Cameron trying to work up the press about Avatar.

[Fran]

Let me tell you same. I actually have zero. I obviously saw the first one. I never saw.

[Noah]

I never saw the second.

[Fran]

I never saw water.

[Kelly]

I think I. That's one of those things where I've seen the first one several times. I may have seen the second one once. Yeah. But I'm kind of inflating it. Yeah. Like, I just remember the first one so well. I don't know what was.

[Fran]

Yeah, like, I saw the poster for this one in the movie theater and was like, oh, they made another one of these.

[Noah]

I was like, wait, they made it.

[Kelly]

Like, I feel like I haven't heard James Cameron said. He was like, if this movie bombs, then I will bow out for 3 and 4. Or if this movie doesn't justify 3 and 4, then I'm just gonna not make any more movies. Wrapping up a couple storylines. He says.

[Fran]

What was his thing? Like that he was gonna do all the elements. Water, fire.

[Noah]

What do you think the button for this movie was?

[Ria]

Oh, God.

[Fran]

I think that's Google is probably.

[Noah]

I see it.

[Kelly]

Oh, 200 million.

[Fran]

The budget for this movie was $500 million.

[Noah]

250.

[Kelly]

Okay.

[Noah]

I don't know what the other ones were.

[Fran]

I think I thought it was gonna be about this. I wanted to go big. 200 makes sense.

[Kelly]

Yeah. I think the first one was like 100 million because it's all the, you know, it's all the. The graphics and. But interesting. The Miley is there. So, you know, I'm gonna see the movie. Probably not in the theaters.

[Noah]

I'll watch it 460.

[Kelly]

Oh, God. And they took a total bath on it, I'm sure.

[Fran]

See, no wonder. That's why I said once.

[Ria]

Oh, hi.

[Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You were close.

[Fran]

I remember that one being insane.

[Kelly]

Yeah. But yeah. So people are talking about.

[Ria]

That's.

[Kelly]

That's really soon. Right. December 19th. I think I just saw the.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

Because I've been watching movies for three days.

[Fran]

So. So she and Max were at the premiere. She had the ring on her finger. It's like a. It's a. Like a chunky ring.

[Kelly]

It's cool. It is cool.

[Fran]

It's different. It's. Apparently it is a cushion cut stone set in a chunky 14 karat yellow gold band which you can see like definitely a big dime, but it's definitely, you know, it's like oblong. Yeah. Yeah. It looks a little more like costumey, but in a cool way.

[Kelly]

It's cool. You know, it looks vintage. Looks like vintage.

[Fran]

And I'd have to imagine you wanted. It feels very mild. I have to imagine you want to like change it up after.

[Kelly]

Of course, having. If you've already been engaged. Right.

[Fran]

If you've already been married, for sure. You want to kind of like switch it up a little bit.

[Kelly]

I feel if ever anyone change the vibes, getting remarried or new engagement rings or whatever. Yeah, you'd. You want a totally different vibe. Like, who wants to copy paste same scenario, you know, and we don't really.

[Fran]

Know when exactly this happened because according to Dumas, she was also seen wearing this ring in mid November. Interesting. So this. It may have been a little while ago, and she decided to. To debut this and to confirm.

[Kelly]

Right. Yeah, that was the whole thing.

[Fran]

Yeah. And she was wearing it in her Instagram post that she shared last week for her birthday as well.

[Kelly]

Wow. And nobody looked at them. Nobody.

[Fran]

It was just like kind of turn. Like, it could have been just like a ring.

[Kelly]

Right.

[Fran]

You know, like, it's kind of hard to look black and white. She posted a black and white photo, so it's like, kind of hard to tell.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Fran]

But it was really like, she is. She's kind of like. She's.

[Kelly]

Dave.

[Fran]

She's showing it off on the carpet. Like, she's got her left hand planted firmly on Max's shoulder of like, here is. This Here is ring.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And we're ready, like, to say that this is.

[Kelly]

Yeah, this is barely.

[Fran]

Yeah, exactly. You wouldn't.

[Kelly]

This was a tease.

[Fran]

I wouldn't really think twice about that too, you know.

[Kelly]

No, I wouldn't ever. And so, yeah, she basically said, you know, listen up.

[Fran]

Right. When you look at these pictures, you're like, okay. No, that's for sure. Yeah, that's for sure.

[Kelly]

Engagement.

[Fran]

So congrats. Very excited for her. They've been. They, you know, been dating for, I think it's like four years.

[Kelly]

Four years.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And I know he worked with her a lot on her last album, too, which.

[Kelly]

He's a music guy, right?

[Fran]

Yeah, he is.

[Ria]

He is.

[Fran]

I think he's a producer.

[Kelly]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Fran]

I think he does a lot. I think he has his own band. I think he's got it.

[Kelly]

You know, I like the musician, producer relationships. I feel like they.

[Fran]

The Selena, Benny Blancos. Yes.

[Kelly]

Honestly, I do. I think it's a good mesh because I think that the producer people and this. Maybe. I don't know how this will come across, but the producer people know how to work with and understand artists in a way that, like, regular people don't. Yeah. And I feel like that would probably do well in a relationship.

[Fran]

Yeah, I think that's fair. Yeah, I think that's fair.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Fran]

So very excited for her. Yeah.

[Kelly]

Congrats, girl.

[Fran]

Which is great. Excited to see what I was gonna get invited.

[Kelly]

Do you think?

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

After seeing.

[Fran]

Yeah. After one second interaction.

[Kelly]

You never know of how.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Oh my God.

[Fran]

But I can't wait to see what. I feel like she'll do something low key. You know, probably even the first time around it was super low.

[Kelly]

Very granted.

[Fran]

That was Covid. So it was even true. I think it had to be. But I did like that though.

[Kelly]

It looked cool.

[Fran]

Yes. Like, I don't know. Or maybe she wants to go opposite now because the first was so low key. Who knows? But we. But we shall see. The second thing is Club Chow Mei, the woman, the legend herself. I. We were tagged in it multiple times on this Instagram post from Wall Street Journal magazine debuting the article.

[Kelly]

Yep. And what an article it is.

[Fran]

What an article it is. What a spread. Just photo wise, she's like taking what's hers seriously. Like, like, look at this, look at this face.

[Kelly]

Look at that stance.

[Fran]

The leg up power stance.

[Kelly]

Yeah. For real. She's like, I'm gonna drop my dick on the table because I'm from Chalamet. Like that's literally.

[Noah]

Is her identity always known?

[Fran]

Yes.

[Noah]

Okay.

[Kelly]

I thought people knew that she was like an older woman.

[Fran]

Yeah, people knew.

[Noah]

I don't think I've never seen her face until.

[Kelly]

Neither have I. That's the first time I've seen. I don't think in her real name.

[Fran]

Well, no, because she had pictures of herself on her own Instagram.

[Kelly]

Instagram. Oh, true. I guess I'd never seen.

[Fran]

If you went far back enough you. Because she would. She had posted pictures that she had taken like at premieres and stuff of. Of her and. And Timmy.

[Kelly]

Got it. Okay.

[Fran]

So if you go deep enough on Club Chalamet's Instagram. But the Wall Street Journal magazine, you know, they wrote this Gen Xter started Club Chalamet to support her favorite actor. Now she's become the story. And honestly, like, obviously this woman has stood her ground and where she is. And I feel like she is very matter of fact and. And direct. And she said, I can't change the. The quotes on the Instagram. Now granted, here's the thing. This is behind a paywall.

[Kelly]

Yes.

[Fran]

And I.

[Kelly]

Which is annoying.

[Fran]

Right? Like, I didn't. I'm not paying for this. So this is all like, this is all I'm working with. Yeah, but the quote that's on Instagram is, I can't change the fact that I was born in 1966. I don't want to be a 24 year old white girl running Club Chalamet. I Who I am.

[Kelly]

I mean, listen, she's a fan. She's. And she's running a fan page. It's the same as, as someone running a fan club. And, and yeah, whatever.

[Noah]

Her.

[Kelly]

She's. She's an adult.

[Fran]

A full ass adult.

[Kelly]

And I, I am so curious about.

[Fran]

Like, apparently she's still only referred to Kylie Jenner in the article as that person.

[Kelly]

That's incredible. Truly. Truly.

[Fran]

That's my favorite thing that she does that she likes. Obviously, like, that. It's like a bit. But it's so, not a bit like she's so serious about it. But it's a hilarious crazy thing is.

[Noah]

It'S like if she ever wanted to do something with him, like, you would think suck up and be like, I love that. Like their relationship.

[Fran]

No, see, you know what? She's just like, she's got to stick to her. She's got to stick to her guns now.

[Kelly]

You know, sometimes the star, like, sometimes the stars appreciate that level of honesty.

[Noah]

Kylie would never let him. Like.

[Kelly]

True. Well, that was my next question. Like, I kind of think they give.

[Fran]

A. I think they'd be like, well, one, this woman's nuts. And two, it would be hysterical because everyone talks about her.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And three, how funny would it be if like they create a whole moment where he went to go do something with her and Kylie like, tagged.

[Kelly]

Yes. Like, right. She shows up and she's like pissing like she's. She's Jordan Hudson in the background with Bill Belichick.

[Ria]

The.

[Kelly]

So, okay, that was. That's truly my question. They have never done anything together. Like, he's never acknowledged.

[Noah]

I think he's acknowledged.

[Fran]

He has acknowledged.

[Noah]

They did a whole SNL thing, like, about it.

[Kelly]

Right. That's what he must have. He must know about it to, you know, whatever.

[Fran]

So crazy that she is talked about so much and everyone. I feel like everybody knows who she is.

[Kelly]

Yes.

[Fran]

But she really, like, she only has 13,000 followers. It's like people know she is, but they're like, I'm not. They're like, I'm not going to the length to follow her, but I know.

[Kelly]

She is on Twitter though. I think she has way more. Let me see.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

Shall I may. I think that's where her. That's her. Like bread and butter is Twitter.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Right.

[Fran]

She did just put up.

[Kelly]

Oh, no, she's got four. Just 48,000, 49,000 followers on Twitter.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

That is crazy.

[Fran]

I really, everybody just really is locked in on what she does and she's.

[Kelly]

Got her because they substack if she.

[Fran]

Were to look at her the posts is not crazy interaction but like everyone's going to look at them. Of course she did just post her Marty supreme review on her letterbox.

[Kelly]

It is up up. And she. And she loves it, obviously.

[Fran]

Five stars.

[Kelly]

Everyone loves it.

[Noah]

I already bought my tickets for the.

[Kelly]

Did you.

[Noah]

December 18th, which is like the week before. I don't know how everyone's seeing, seeing it now. Like all these special screenings and everything. Like.

[Fran]

Yeah, I think you gotta get like. I think you gotta get like invited to those.

[Kelly]

You guys on tour?

[Noah]

No, we just have a show next week.

[Fran]

No, this shows the 9th.

[Kelly]

Oh. Why am I thinking? Because we've got. We've got Pop punk on the 18th. Oh, but I thought that you guys were out of town.

[Noah]

No, we're not.

[Kelly]

Anyway, so she's got her sub stack. I don't know if you guys. Do you guys know that it says club? I did not know she has club is a fan. Is a fan community in support. Right. Club Chalamet is a fan community in support of two time Oscar nominated actor Timothee Chalamet since early 2018. We discuss which is how old is Timothy? You know, we discuss his current and past projects, general news, film festivals and awards season speculation. Join us. Launched three months ago. So I bet she's got a decent amount of subscribers to Substack and I think you can at a certain point, like you can, you know, you can like pay for more access or whatever. Like who knows? But I'll say this about her. I think that she, whatever she's doing, you know, it doesn't affect me. I don't care as long as she's not being like crossing the line. Whatever. I think it's hilarious and smart and funny that she agreed to do this article and then she's like posing the way she is and she's just like, that's me, bitch. And I respect the shit out of it. To be honest, I respect Club Chalamet a lot more than I did before I saw this article.

[Fran]

She did post on November 25th. It looks like AMC was maybe doing some early screenings that you could get tickets to.

[Kelly]

Yeah, I think that's how Gooch got there.

[Noah]

Those seem like more exclusive. Like the one that I'm going to is an early screening. It's a week before it gets released.

[Kelly]

Right. Because it's Christmas Day.

[Noah]

Yeah, Christmas Day is like when it comes out. Yeah, but they. Yeah, I don't know.

[Fran]

Well, all I'm saying, on November 25th she posted the Marty supreme ticket announcement came in at 12:32am while I was asleep. And I woke up at 6:32am and without even seeing the email, I went straight to my AMC theaters app and got one of the last good seats for this special screening, which is excluded from a list and tickets cost 27. I'm so excited and relieved that I was able to get a ticket to this event. Oh, it's on December 18th.

[Noah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

Did you get your ticket at your local 70mm screening on 70 millimeter, baby?

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Noah]

11:30Pm Oh, 11. They had.

[Fran]

It's a midnight premiere, baby. That's like when I went to go see Wicked for good.

[Kelly]

Yeah. Literally.

[Noah]

They also had times for 4:30 and like 8pm as well for the 70 millimeter.

[Kelly]

So they did that with. They did that with Wicked at the. At Lincoln center. Amc. They like added in other shows like the show that you guys got. I bought a ticket. I went Thursday night.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

And Wednesday did not exist. When I bought my.

[Fran]

Let me tell you, I shout out to the girl who DM me because I will say, a week before, I just so happened to open up my Instagram messages and the message literally came in. It was like two minutes ago. And it was a girl being like, AMC Lincoln Square just opened at 11pm Wednesday, showtime. And I was like, thank you so much.

[Kelly]

And I bought them immediately. You really got them.

[Fran]

Bought them immediately.

[Kelly]

So many, so many available right now. Now there's for the 18th. For the 18th, there's a 3:30, a 4.

[Fran]

Yeah, but they say the time. But there's probably one seat left in the front that no one buys.

[Kelly]

But then true. But then later is a 1 o', clock, a 4:30 and 8:00pm and an 11:30pm yeah, yeah. What's that? You're going to what, 11:30? 11:30. What's 1 o'? Clock? Let's see what we got.

[Fran]

So clearly she's very happy to see. Wait, so how did she see Marty supreme then? She must have already seen it.

[Kelly]

Well, Jeff D. Saw it. He saw it somehow.

[Noah]

They are doing like special.

[Kelly]

Yeah, yeah. Coming soon. Wow. Well, it is. It does appear to be possible to get this if you're looking to get to this show. Like there's. There are a couple seats left in all. In all these.

[Fran]

Her caption, my Marty supreme review is up. I must admit I didn't think Timothy could top what he did in a complete unknown, but he did it in Marty Supreme. He just keeps on getting better. He just keeps on getting better.

[Kelly]

That's amazing.

[Fran]

But yeah, I mean, one of her pinned photos is her with like, it's her and him from a. I mean.

[Kelly]

It'S like a selfie. Oh, my God. Wow.

[Noah]

It's creepy.

[Kelly]

Yeah, it is a little.

[Fran]

But, you know, 2018 tells me that.

[Kelly]

She started this fan club for him after call me by your name. So that's why I'm kind of like, oh, interesting.

[Noah]

Like it, like every. Jokes aside, it is like, she's creepy.

[Kelly]

Totally.

[Fran]

But I think she's a stalker.

[Kelly]

You've got to own. If you're going to be that kind of person, you got to own it and explain that it's.

[Fran]

You have to be like over the top. Well, I don't know. But no, I would.

[Kelly]

I don't.

[Fran]

Stalker is stalker strong.

[Kelly]

That's too far. Yeah, that's.

[Fran]

I don't think she's like, you get arrested for stalking, you know, like stalking.

[Noah]

She's not following on it.

[Fran]

No, that's.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

Literally, physically. Yeah. No, and also it's. It's very much like, you know, she does critique his movies and, and talk about his fashion and whatever it is.

[Noah]

Truly.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

They're all amazing. Yeah.

[Fran]

The only thing she doesn't like is when. When Kylie's around. When. When Kylie's around.

[Kelly]

Jealous.

[Noah]

She wants to be her on like his past girlfriends. Or is it just like she hates all his girlfriends?

[Fran]

I don't really think we were paying much attention to her. Like. Like we didn't really know who she was when he was making out in that hot tub with what's her face. Yeah.

[Kelly]

Oh, I forgot.

[Fran]

Or like Rose Depp era. Like we, you know, we weren't going.

[Kelly]

Forgot about Lily Rose death too.

[Fran]

We weren't checking in on what. On what club was saying.

[Kelly]

Even just now at.

[Fran]

We didn't know that she was. That her page existed then.

[Kelly]

So even just now I didn't like, I thought, who has Timothy Chalamet dated? You know, I feel like I don't really know until Kylie Jenner.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

He's focused on his craft. Although people. People on the streets, you know, the streets of New York, say he was like a little boy around Manhattan. But I mean, look at him. Of course, he's so cute. Very charismatic, good actor, Smooth. Like, of course, 100%.

[Fran]

Okay. Last thing is Andy Cohen did clarify on the status of Jen Shaw returning to Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Fans have been speculating that maybe since she's being released early, that this could mean some sort of return to the show. And Andy has kind of shut that down in conversations pass. But now that the time has actually come for her, for her to be released, it becomes a much realer conversation. So on his SiriusXM show, he did talk about Jen returning. She will be released December 10, serving just two years and nine months of her original 78 month fraud sentence. But the door is closed. She is not coming back to the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. I wish her all the best in her life is what he said. And he fully expects Jen to pop up elsewhere in the reality TV landscape. Just not at Bravo. He said it won't be anything I'm working on. He doubled down hoping this finally ends the fan theories once and for all. And as for why Andy won't even entertain the idea, the lie is crystal's clear. He said there has to be a line which is fair.

[Kelly]

And it's like, that's fair. Yeah.

[Fran]

If it was like the show is also doing so well. Like the show is thriving and it's probably one of the most watched and discussed shows on Bravo right now. If I had to take a guess.

[Kelly]

I mean, I would say they're the most popular franchise right now.

[Fran]

Right now. It definitely feels that way.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

So it's like you really don't need to bring Jen Shaw back.

[Ria]

And.

[Fran]

I don't know, it's obviously it's a line and it is like they are like Andy is closing the door.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Fran]

On this part because it's like. Have there been housewives. Housewives that have gotten into legal trouble before?

[Kelly]

Yes.

[Fran]

Have served jail time? Yes, there is now, I guess if you were to think about like who was hurt in those scenarios.

[Kelly]

Yep.

[Fran]

It was themselves and government.

[Kelly]

Yeah, the government.

[Fran]

You know, like it's your people.

[Kelly]

Tax fraud. Concerned for or, or crying over. Right. Or.

[Fran]

Or multiple DUIs.

[Kelly]

It's like, by the way, which is.

[Fran]

Also, you know, not good. But I don't know.

[Kelly]

But it's, it's a, it's again, it's.

[Fran]

Self inflicted and there is. You could, you could certainly hurt other people. But that has happened. However, you know, Jen Shaw was running a nationwide telemarketing scheme and stealing like money from the elderly, which. Yeah, you probably don't want to put her back on reality.

[Kelly]

I'm really not.

[Fran]

I'm sure she will be cast on something.

[Kelly]

I'm sure she will. So something interesting that you said, she's out of jail after two. Two and a half years. Years.

[Fran]

Nine months.

[Kelly]

And her original sentence was six and a half years.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

Which I didn't realize it was that long? Yeah. I wonder what she's, what she did or said to get out so early.

[Fran]

You know, like, good behavior.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Crowding. You know what? I'm the reason she's got to write it early.

[Kelly]

If I'm her, I'd write a book. You know, I'd lean into it all, be like, listen, like, like Jordan Belfort type. You know, how he scammed everybody and then he wrote a book about it and then people, like, think he's cool. I want to hear about that and, or I want to hear about her time and friendship with Elizabeth Holmes. That is something I'm very interested in.

[Fran]

Oh, look, he's definitely gonna do like a million interviews for sure.

[Kelly]

And I'll be sad for every one of them.

[Fran]

They'll be watching a ton of them. But it's like, I, I personally am glad that she would not be going. I, I, there's no reason for her to be back on Salt Lake City, in my opinion.

[Kelly]

I couldn't agree more. And there has to be. Like, yes, her consequences for her actions was two years in jail, but it was supposed to be almost 7 and she's getting out early, so there's got to be some sort of consequence. And taking away your reality TV show where you get drunk and punch your, your co stars in the face whenever you get a chance.

[Noah]

Yeah, like, I think with the stars.

[Kelly]

No, no, not at all.

[Noah]

This article from the sun wrote Dancing with Stars, eager to.

[Kelly]

Yeah, that would be really dumb. I, you know, our ABC besties. Please. No, Jen Shaw. I, I don't. Because, no, I, I'd be a disaster on that.

[Fran]

This is actually where. And like Andy, this is what. And he's saying there needs to be a line and she's not going to be on Bravo and really, she shouldn't be on it. Anything doesn't mean it's not gonna happen. But like, like a criminal like this should not be rewarded with being a public figure in it and in new, like on tv and especially. I don't even really want to see her on interviews. But they're gonna do it.

[Kelly]

They're gonna do it. And I'm it, I'm gonna watch because it's absurd. Like, I, I, and that is where you get people in these scenarios. Like a lot of. Yeah, everyone wants to see them.

[Fran]

And that's why, that's why Good Morning America is gonna want to interview her, you know, discourse.

[Kelly]

But, but I hope anyone that does interview her or give her some sort of platform to discuss, like, her life in jail or whatever I do hope that they. They like, not only bring up how wrong she was in what she did, but, like, make her feel bad about it. Like, I feel like she doesn't feel bad about ripping off old people.

[Fran]

I don't think she does either. And I don't even realize, like, I don't think she cares. So that's half of it.

[Kelly]

She was such. She's such a freak and she always was. And so it's just kind of like, I don't know, she's on another. She's in another dimension. She's not. Not a serious person. You know, to quote Logan Roy, I don't believe that she's a serious person.

[Fran]

Yep, super fair. So, okay, that wraps up the topics and we're gonna do some voicemails. We have so many amazing concerts coming up. But what, what you guys, we all don't want is the hassle of buying tickets. We want to focus on the music, not the stress or the cost. Game Time puts the power back in the hands of fans. It's your go to hack for scoring amazing tickets and unforgettable experiences in just a few taps. It's incredibly easy to use, and the Game Time guarantee means you can Trust you'll get 100% authentic tickets on time and at the best price. Plus fees are always included. So what you see is what you pay. I think we've been looking at tons of tickets. The Jones brothers have added a bunch of new shows towards the end of this year. And I know they got more in New York coming up right before the holidays, so you can check those out. You can take the guesswork out of buying concert tickets with Game time. Download the Gametime app, create an account and use code Chicks for $20 off your first purchase terms. To apply again, create an account and redeem code chicks for $20 off swipe, tap, ticket. Go download the Game Time app today. All right, let's get into the Popcorner where we take your voicemails. Hot takes, questions, concerns, really whatever you want to talk about. So, Noah, let's. Let's play the first voicemail. I can't hear myself, but that's okay.

[Kelly]

Keep going.

[Voicemail Callers]

Hi, I am Rehan from West Virginia. Not a long time listener, but a first time caller. My hot take is if Glinda has no haters, I am dead. There is truly no redeeming quality. Like, what is good about her? She is a horrible friend, a horrible person. Like all of this could have been avoided if she had her friends back and just told them that the wizard was lying and then wants to come in the end and banish the wizard and save Oz. Like, she's just this good person. Oh, now that, like, I just don't understand. I don't understand how you can be a fan of someone who is such a bad friend. Sorry, Elphaba. Not that good of a friend either. If you wanted your friend's man, you should have said something in the beginning. What is it about this that people love so much? Like, I expected a happily ever after. Sorry. Sue me. When I heard for good, I thought they meant that they were actually changed for good and they were going to be good friends. But Elphaba banishes herself to a desert. Are you dumb? And then Glinda gets to rule everything. Like, I just. I just don't get it. I just don't get it. I just don't get it. I'm mad. I'll be listening to the music, but I'm still mad.

[Kelly]

Of course.

[Voicemail Callers]

Thank you.

[Fran]

Okay.

[Kelly]

Super fair.

[Fran]

I mean, what gets. Not for you. I don't even really have much to say. I mean, that's what I'm saying.

[Kelly]

Like.

[Fran]

Like, that's why I get it.

[Kelly]

No, you didn't get it.

[Fran]

You let it. You let it play and you say then. And that's my opinion. Okay.

[Kelly]

And let me tell you about. Tell me why you mad, Connecticut.

[Fran]

You know what?

[Kelly]

Pop off.

[Fran]

If that's how you feel, I can't say I feel the same. That is.

[Kelly]

No, I. I couldn't disagree more. And unfortunately, yeah, you missed the point. You missed the whole point of the growth. And also. And I'm sorry, you can't suspend. You know, you can't read through the lines for a metaphor. And maybe it's just not.

[Fran]

That's just not you, girl. That's just not. They were. They were never gonna live happily ever after. It was like best friends ruling eyes. That just wasn't. That wasn't part of the plan.

[Kelly]

The Glinda not telling everyone that the wizard's lying. It's like, okay, well, she was a nobody, and now she's a somebody, and now she has control. I would literally talk about this for five hours.

[Fran]

There's plenty of, like, self. Like, there is a selfishness.

[Kelly]

Yes.

[Fran]

To it for sure. But it's like, it's battling a dream you've always wanted versus what is right.

[Kelly]

Yes.

[Fran]

And thinking that you could potentially change things from the inside, even though you're not being realistic about that.

[Kelly]

Yeah. Yes. It's. Yeah. To me, it's very hard.

[Fran]

I Think that's why they show the flashbacks of her being so little and just wanting to be like. Wanting to have magic.

[Kelly]

Right? Wanting to have magic. Wanting people to admire and respect her who can't relate, you know, I would love to be respected.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Damn.

[Kelly]

And listen, I, I do respect a good rant, a good bitch out like that, but I do think that the, that you, you have in fact missed the point. Like that's just.

[Ria]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kelly]

But girl, you know what?

[Fran]

Wick is not for everybody.

[Kelly]

And it really isn't. Yeah, it really isn't. If you want to hate on Wicked, hate on Wicked. You can go see. You know, I don't know what's, what's an equivalent. Go see. Hopefully there's a future Phantom of the Opera coming out that you can dissect in the same way.

[Fran]

Did you see those rumors, by the way? I did see.

[Kelly]

I think that they're, I mean, you know, one of the. Who was it the Andrew Lloyd Webber. No. Somebody.

[Fran]

It was.

[Kelly]

No, I know, but is he the one that said, oh, I don't know. Jonathan.

[Fran]

Oh, oh, I think it was Jonathan Bailey played the.

[Kelly]

Yes, I think it was Andrew Lloyd Webber who was like, jonathan Bailey is looking very phantom to me. And then Rachel Ziegler commented on it and said, yes, I, I, you know, record scratch. Phantom is my number one. So that would be crazy. A Jonathan Bailey phantom with Rachel Ziegler.

[Fran]

Oh, God, he would be so good.

[Kelly]

That'd be so nuts. So, yeah, just, you know, think, think about the future. Move forward. Just skip right on past it.

[Fran]

You don't have to have a pink cup. Fuck every pink cup you see. 100% and yep, that's that exactly.

[Voicemail Callers]

Hi, Ran Fran, with the new season of Traitors coming out, I'm curious what your guys reaction was to the comments that Jeff Probst made where he was kind of annoyed at Survivor players going on to the Traders. I think he's since kind of retracted that because he got so much criticism, but he. It mostly impacted Carolyn because she was like a shoe in for season 50.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Voicemail Callers]

And he just didn't put her on the show because she got famous from Traitors. I don't know. In general, I think that the. I'll call it cross pollination of shows is good. Like, I think I watched Traitors season one because three was on it.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Voicemail Callers]

I watched the Challenge because it had Survivor players. Now I watch both of those shows. I think it gets you more viewers in general, now that I'm thinking about it is Jeff Probst, the reason why we haven't had a Survivor player and Dancing with the Stars could be.

[Fran]

I don't know.

[Voicemail Callers]

I'm curious what your reaction to his comments are actually, if you agree with them or not. Thanks.

[Fran]

I, I didn't see this. So I, I don't know what exactly he said, but if I had to guess, there's just like, it's just. It's just crossing TV shows is. Is obviously not a big deal if you're on the same network. I think it's has to do with being on CBS and then going to do something that's on Peacock, which is NBC. So it's like, I think that's probably where he has his issue, but it's just like not everybody needs to have your loyalty to cbs. Like, Jeff is always going to be with cbs. He probably has.

[Kelly]

He's built for life.

[Fran]

Yeah, exactly. A lot of stakes in cbs.

[Kelly]

Yes.

[Fran]

But to stop people from, you know, getting opportunities to go on other shows that are on other networks feels like not a great idea. And I actually, I very much agree with what she's saying. There's so much good that I think it does when you're watching the Traitors. I have never watched Survivor. Like, I've never watched a season of Survivor.

[Ria]

Right.

[Fran]

And like, it's introduced Traders has introduced me to a.

[Kelly]

To a bunch of.

[Fran]

Bunch of Survivor players that I didn't know. And even with, like, I watched a challenge, same kind of thing. I was meeting Survivor people that I, that I did not know. So I don't know there. It's not bad per se, but it's just like. Yeah, I don't think you can necessarily blame whatever these, these guys at this point. Like Jeff Probus in my mind is like a network. Exact cbs.

[Kelly]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Fran]

So in my mind I'm like, that you're just. He doesn't like going off to some other network and he's being salty about it. It's not the right opinion, but that's how he's gonna feel.

[Kelly]

I also did not see this. I would like to hear his tone in talking about it. Maybe he was being a little tongue in cheek because he is kind of like a sarcastic fun guy.

[Noah]

I was just looking it up. It looks like he did, like, take it back and kind of say he, like, doesn't feel that way anymore.

[Kelly]

I bet that he was kind of being shady and snarky and then it was taken as dead serious and now he's like, wait, wait, wait. It was never that serious. Right.

[Fran]

Is that the vibe? Yeah. Right now he says he's shown interest in going on the show himself.

[Kelly]

Oh, please. Let's. Okay, let's. We don't need to get out of ourselves with that. Be hilarious.

[Fran]

I guess. They've been loot. Like, they've been losing the Emmy to Traders as well.

[Kelly]

Well, I mean, it's a good show, and I understand that it is conflicting in tone because Traders is essentially a strategy game, only with some sprinkled activities in there versus Survivor, which is like heavy activities, heavy strategy all around, I would say, like, Survivor is the hardest one and it always will be and it still is. And I think that that is something that Jeff Probst can hang his hat on. Why is he worried about all the offshoots? Survivor is the top. You know what?

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kelly]

There would be no Traders. There would be no the challenge. There would be no, you know, surviving barstool.

[Fran]

Like, yeah.

[Kelly]

Without Survivor. These strategy games mixed with physical, you know, challenges. And I, I think that he should, you know, at least come across, like, he's like, yeah, you're welcome to all these other shows and all these other networks ripping off Survivor, but we're. We are the cream of the crop. And I would say, like, more people are capable of doing Traders than they are Survivor. Like, Donna Kelsey can't do Survivor in Australia, in Fiji. Yeah, yeah. But she can do Traders in Scotland. You know what I mean? So I think that Dorinda Medley is not doing Survivor. Like, it's just a. A bandwidth thing. And I did not know, though, that Carolyn got squeezed out of season 50.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

That doesn't seem fair.

[Fran]

No.

[Kelly]

To me. So I don't know what else happened there, but that does not seem fair. And I really like Carolyn and apparently Carolyn was excellent when she. I didn't watch her season of Survivor, but she was apparently really good in. In tone and she had an interesting story and people. She was like, a fan favorite. People really liked her, and so they would have liked to see her come back. And I think that she gained, you know, so much, so many new fans on Traders. So why would you not put her on Survivor for sure.

[Voicemail Callers]

This is Jenna from St. Louis, and I. This is really in the pop culture take. It's more of a question for you guys. I was listening to you talk about the Hillary Duff tour and how much excitement there is around it and that hopefully she'll add more dates.

[Kelly]

Yes.

[Voicemail Callers]

To her calendar. And I just want to know, are you guys obsessed or were you obsessed with the Hillary Dots Christmas cd Because I am absolutely obsessed. I asked for a record player for Christmas this year, and one of the first records I asked for was her Santa Claus Lane Christmas album.

[Kelly]

Like, I.

[Voicemail Callers]

When the Snow Goes down on Tinsel Town. Obsessed. Like, I love it so much. I listen to it every single year, and I feel like every time I talk about it, nobody knows what I'm talking about. So I just need to know if you guys. Guys do know and are also in love with it. Because if she did a Christmas store, I would pay so much money to go see it. Okay, love you guys. Bye.

[Fran]

Let me tell you, I completely forgot about this.

[Kelly]

The Christmas album.

[Fran]

The Christmas album. Because when I think Hillary Duff Christmas, the first thing that pops into my.

[Kelly]

Head is with Aaron.

[Fran]

Aaron Carter. Liz McGuire. Christmas episode.

[Kelly]

Same, same.

[Fran]

Which was.

[Kelly]

At first, I thought that's what she meant. No, that was the most exciting thing that's ever happened. Yeah. A side note. My very first concert ever. Hillary Duff, Really? Hilary Duff. I believe at pnc, if I'm remembering correctly in my brain, but for the Metamorphosis album. Metamorphosis. I love that album.

[Fran]

Would. Do you want to go in January?

[Kelly]

Yes.

[Fran]

I haven't. I have another ticket.

[Kelly]

Yes. I'm in. I was like, how are we gonna get tickets?

[Fran]

No. Yes. What day is it?

[Kelly]

It's a Tuesday.

[Fran]

January 27th.

[Ria]

I'm in. I'm in.

[Kelly]

Amazing. Kelly. I bought.

[Fran]

I bought two tickets with. With not knowing who I was gonna bring to me with me.

[Kelly]

100.

[Fran]

Normally, like, Gia is my Christmas buddy, but she's not quite, like. She's a little too young for Hillary.

[Kelly]

Hillary.

[Fran]

Nope.

[Kelly]

I'm in.

[Fran]

However, Hillary, let me tell you, we were in la. I was. I told the story on the podcast the other day, but we were in LA and the tickets were going on sale for the four shows, and I, like, cracked an eye open at 7am and was like. Because I. I signed up for the emails, whatever. I was like, let me just see if I could get in.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And I was like, 500th person in the queue. I. I screamed. I was like, this has never happened.

[Kelly]

Oh, my God.

[Fran]

Never happened to me in my life.

[Kelly]

That's incredible.

[Fran]

So I have two tickets, and I was waiting to see. I hadn't made a decision on who I was gonna ask to go, but now that you. Now that it's come up, I feel like this is the perfect time to ask you if you want to go see when she said, at the Paramount in Brooklyn, I'm ready.

[Kelly]

I'm so ready. When she Said, have you been to.

[Fran]

That venue, Brooklyn Paramount?

[Kelly]

No, I don't think so.

[Fran]

Oh, my God, it's amazing. It's the coolest venue ever.

[Kelly]

I'm ready. I. When she started off talking about Hilary Duff, I could not wait to be like, to get that off my chest that it was my first concert. I missed entirely the. The tour tickets, whatever. And it just kind of escaped my mind until she brought it up right then and then in my head, I was. I kind of tuned out the second half because I was thinking about how I need to get tickets. So this is perfect.

[Fran]

Well, yay.

[Kelly]

It's my calendar.

[Fran]

I got great news.

[Kelly]

Yeah. Whatever I'm going through, I know.

[Fran]

Oh, God, Just the best.

[Kelly]

Sorry that was off tune, but.

[Fran]

No, but that album was amazing. Oh, that. The Here Comes Aaron Carter episode of Lizzie McGuire.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Came out 2001.

[Kelly]

Boy post 9 11, I assume 2001.

[Fran]

2001, 2001.

[Kelly]

It's all I can think about. We needed something to lift our spirits.

[Fran]

When did that episode. Yeah, TV episode. 2001.

[Kelly]

Yep.

[Fran]

Episode aired mar.

[Ria]

Wait.

[Fran]

How could. Would it have aired in March?

[Kelly]

No way.

[Fran]

IMDb saying it aired. Here Comes Aaron Carter. Aired in. Aired March 23.

[Kelly]

But you know what?

[Fran]

It's because he's.

[Kelly]

He's just shooting music video that just.

[Fran]

So happens to be. Wow.

[Kelly]

Christmas. So it was pre. Wow.

[Fran]

What an amazing episode.

[Kelly]

That was Amazing episode. And also the outfits. Like, that was the time.

[Fran]

I want candy.

[Kelly]

So cute. Yeah. Lizzy looked so cute. They all look so cute. Right? Miranda's in it too.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

Gordo's in it. Yep. Wow. Wow, wow, wow, wow. I'm so excited.

[Fran]

The triangle.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Honestly, I did. Like, should we just. Should we just end it on that low? Let's do one more. Let's do one more.

[Kelly]

One more.

[Voicemail Callers]

Hi, guys. I am looking for some advice. So I am almost 30. My husband and I have been married for about a year and a half now. We've decided a long time ago that we don't want kids. It's just not in our cars. We love to travel. We love our dog. It's just something that we have decided on as a couple. But we are in the predicament where a lot of our friends now are having kids or have multiple kids. And I don't know, I feel like I'm just kind of lost with, you know, who's gonna go out with us? Not that we're partying all the time, but, like, who's gonna go out to eat? Who wants to go on vacation? Like, I don't know. I feel like, do I feel bad about not having kids? Do I change my mind? Which I don't want to, but, like, how do I overcome this in between of, like, I don't want kids, but all my friends are having them. What do I do?

[Fran]

Where do I stand?

[Voicemail Callers]

Would love to hear your guys's advice. I know that you guys are planning on starting families, but what advice do you have?

[Fran]

I was going to say, actually, this works out.

[Kelly]

Yes.

[Fran]

Let me tell you, it works out perfectly. That Kelly is. Yeah, that Kelly is here.

[Kelly]

I said, did you pick this question? Because I was here for this one.

[Noah]

Oh, you know, this works.

[Kelly]

I am. Exactly.

[Fran]

Because let me tell you, I think.

[Kelly]

Same thing Kelly is.

[Fran]

I will just defer to Kelly on this one.

[Kelly]

I am experiencing this exact same thing. And the only advice I can give at this time is like, stay strong. Like, don't worry about it. It will be a tough few years. I have all my friends. Literally every single one of my friends is a kid now, including two of them who said they weren't having kids. So they did change their mind. I just turned 35, so that's basically the range of age that my friends are all in.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

And so. And all of them have, like, one to. I would say between zero and two. That's how old all the kids are.

[Fran]

Right.

[Kelly]

And in the last couple years, I barely see my friends. Like, it's very much a. If I see them, I go to them. Yeah, you. You gotta, you know, you gotta do a plan thing. Yep. Yeah. You plan lunches, you plan movies. You'll start to see that your friends that are having kids are. They are gonna start being desperate for, like, moments to get out of the house. They'll bring the kid wherever and. And those are. It's a transition time, and you just have to be patient because the kids do get older and it gets easier and they're going to be stressed and they're going to be worried. And I think that you'll see both sides of it. You'll see the. The sweet moments with the kids, and you'll feel that, like, little bit left out about what they're all talking about. But you can also just like, read up on the, like, I know stuff about kids now and how you know the stuff to buy and what they're talking iPad shit and whatever. Because I'm just listening to my friends talk about it. Be in the conversations. So you're in the know. But then also, like, if you do end up changing your mind and Wanting kids, obviously. Nothing wrong with that. You can have kids whenever. Yeah.

[Fran]

But also, don't change your mind because of this.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Don't forget, you know, like, exactly.

[Kelly]

Don't do it for fomo. But I will say on top of all of that, the. You just need to manage your time with your friends better. Like, you won't have those times where it's like, let's all go out and grab a sandwich right now. You won't. Those, those days have, the sun has.

[Fran]

Set on those days, the spontaneity of it all goes away.

[Kelly]

And that's fine because you're not going to want as much spontaneity as you get older either. You're going to want, you know, maybe a little more plans. Maybe you do like that. But that's when you go on trips with your husband and live your life and whatever. But it's, it is definitely a transition period. And I now am kind of coming out, like for the last year or so. I've also felt a little lost being like, damn, all my friends, like, especially my friends who had kids, when they told me they weren't going to. So I was like, like, I'm really, what am I doing here? I'm not really changing. Like, I, I'm certainly not changing my mind, but I had moments where I was like, am I making a mistake? Whatever. I've talked for years about how I don't want kids. And I just felt like, let's wait a little bit longer, wait to see how we feel. And your friends do like, come back to themselves, you know, and they do come back to you. And then you get to be fun, cool, aunt, uncle. And that is something that like, you need those people in your life. And those people are just as important in these kids lives as like their extended family. Not their parents, but their extended family. You know, it's, it's, it's good to have other adults in your child's lives that are not like, direct.

[Fran]

And it's just, it's just a season of change too. And I know it feels like everybody around you is changing, but you also, like, want to grow in your marriage and have those moments. And maybe you guys just start to do more things on your own. You, you take, you do. Maybe those couple trips you were taking become more trips for you or you're out there, you never know. You may meet other friends, couples later in life that also don't have kids, that also love to travel, all these things. So you just kind of have to keep the door open. To other opportunities.

[Kelly]

Absolutely. And also, can I say, I spend a lot of time with my gay besties. I'll tell you what. If you've got. If you've got some. Some gay men in your life, you will never feel left out and, you know, whatever. And. And that also depends on, like, where they are in their phases of life. But I have a couple of, you know, who are a little bit older than me, and I now spend a lot of time with them in the absence of my friends who are like. Like, playing with their kids or whatever. It's just. It's a funny dynamic. And we're in New York City, so it's like, yeah, whatever.

[Noah]

But when your friends who said they were gonna have. Weren't gonna have kids told you that they were having kids, what was your, like, initial reaction?

[Kelly]

They were both nervous to tell me. I think they downplayed. Our one friend almost lied to us until we saw her, and she would have been like. And we told her, we're like, good thing you didn't. I would have bit you the out. Yeah. And then my other friend called me up and was like, I'm, you know, baby girl, it's coming. And I was like, yeah, I figured, like, as soon as our other friend. You can tell. You can. When they start kind of avoiding you, you can tell that they're avoiding telling you something, and that's. And that's that. But no, of course.

[Fran]

I mean, they.

[Kelly]

They both have kids now. They're beautiful, beautiful children. And it's. It's lovely watching your friends experience that, too. And that makes it interesting. And just because you aren't experiencing it in the same way doesn't mean that you can't enjoy, like, their children. And. And, you know, it's. It's a fun time for all. And it takes a village to raise kids. So get as involved or as uninvolved as you want to be throughout, you know, the time they're growing up. That's how I've kind of taken it, and it's settling in nicely with me now.

[Fran]

Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Well, Kelly, you're the perfect one to have for that. Hopefully that's helpful and we will wrap it up. We have been raving about all things Abercrombie through the holiday season. The sweatsuits re and I. On Monday's episode, I was in a camo eagle sweatsuit from Abercrombie. She was in a red sweatsuit from Abercrombie. But when it's time to take that sweatsuit off and start to get fancy because we're headed towards New Year's Eve. Abercrombie's new party collection just dropped. And there are new looks for all those invites you have coming up, Logging on right now. Satin, sparkle sequins, everything for a night out. New Year's Eve is just around the corner. Plus tons of denim going out, tops and cute sweaters for more low key plans. And coats. Oh, I'm obsessed with all the coats.

[Kelly]

That coat you post, you know, I'm gonna buy that coat. No, I was like, should I France the coat? Am I gonna buy that coat? I think I'm gonna have. I love it.

[Fran]

Like the amazing. Wool coats, winter coats, leather coats, everything. So good. And the ypb, Abercrombie's active brand has a ton of new drops as well, which is. These are YPB leggings that I'm wearing right now. They're great and soft, comfortable. You can layer them for workout or just, you know, running errands, whatever you want. So bring the party in Abercrombie this season. Shop in the app, online or in stores.

[Kelly]

All right, everyone, we are here with.

[Ria]

A very special guest. We are joined by Austin Kroll. We're so excited to have you back, Austin. It's been since January. We like to do our yearly checkups with you.

[Fran]

New season. Check out Austin.

[Ria]

And let's sit down. A little throwback to when we first had Austin on the podcast and he was so terrified, he canceled on us. And then finally he came in. He was shaking in his boots. Meanwhile, that wasn't even the first time.

[Austin Kroll]

It was not the first time. It was like the third or fourth time.

[Kelly]

Right.

[Ria]

Actually, we had met you multiple times before.

[Fran]

I had a great memory come up on my Snapchat. Maybe like last, because it is always kind of around this time because the show is always around this time. And I came up with my Snapchat of you and Craig walking into our closet studio with, like, bottles of champagne and we, like, were drinking and recording. I was like, that was so fun.

[Ria]

It was. But that was after four years ago.

[Fran]

Yeah, no, that may have been before.

[Ria]

No, no, it wasn't. That was after because he finally came in. Then he was like, oh, I finally came in. We're having the bottles and everything. And then you guys got into some trouble after that because you had been drinking and you went to go do an interview after that and you guys were a little. Probably so.

[Austin Kroll]

Yeah, probably so. But those are the most fun interviews. Probably not for Bravo pr.

[Ria]

Of course for us.

[Austin Kroll]

Yeah. And for you, it's fun. And I remember the interview. I just tried to avoid doing interviews that whole year.

[Fran]

Yeah, that was.

[Austin Kroll]

Yes. I was shaking in my boots a little bit.

[Ria]

You were, but no reason.

[Austin Kroll]

I was like, maybe I'll just pass on this one.

[Ria]

Yeah. I thought you were gonna do that today.

[Austin Kroll]

Oh, really?

[Ria]

Yeah. Because we were scheduling, and it was like, oh, we're still waiting to hear back. And I was like, oh, since I.

[Austin Kroll]

Planned that out, I read the email on Friday, and I. That on the high can't lie. I was like, yeah, I'll deal this later.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

But in my head, I was like, wait. Because I didn't even know when my Watch what Happens Live is tonight. Like, don't know what time it was. I didn't know what time I'd be ready. And I was like, last thing that I want to do is have to do this and, like, run somewhere. Get ready. Quick. Run here.

[Ria]

Totally fair. Totally fair.

[Austin Kroll]

I know it takes, like, 30 minutes to get anywhere.

[Fran]

That it does.

[Ria]

The traffic's gotten worse.

[Fran]

It's bad.

[Ria]

Not. Not to talk about that.

[Fran]

But that's about traffic.

[Ria]

Never mind.

[Fran]

I will say more important things. I hope we can do it down the line. Cause I was really excited about it, and it didn't work for her schedule. But at first it was maybe gonna be you and Madison together, which would have been a ton of.

[Austin Kroll]

It should have been. It should have been.

[Fran]

And I want. I'm putting that into the universe so that it can happen, because Madison's never been on our show, and we would love to have her.

[Austin Kroll]

Did you hear that, Madison? You've never been on Chicks in the Office. Your time is.

[Fran]

We would love to have her, but.

[Austin Kroll]

You know, I mean, I just talked to her too, and, you know, she landed early. She said that she had a mimosa on the plane. Right. But. But I think that just, like, for girls in general to get ready for Watch what Happens, it's like, it's a whole. My stylist is here, and they're showing me.

[Fran]

People ask, like, our days before we do live shows to, like, do stuff in the afternoon. We're like, no, we're unavailable. Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

And, like, meanwhile, I showered, you know, prior to coming here, and I put some stuff in there so when I leave, I can just, like, blow dry.

[Fran]

It a little bit.

[Austin Kroll]

Do it. So I'm already starting the process for later tonight.

[Ria]

You did take us last time to watch what Happens Live. We were in the audience.

[Fran]

That was really fun.

[Austin Kroll]

And. And to toot my own no, you weren't in the audience. You were bartenders. Because. Because they were like, we don't have one for, you know, tonight for you.

[Ria]

We were in the audience, and then they put us as bartenders later in.

[Fran]

The day, but we wouldn't have been bartenders of. You weren't bringing us because.

[Austin Kroll]

So then they got a two.

[Fran]

Seeing our names on the list, they were like, what about these two?

[Ria]

Right.

[Fran]

They're already coming.

[Austin Kroll]

That's amazing.

[Ria]

So shout out to you.

[Fran]

Yes.

[Ria]

Now the new season of Southern Charm is out. We're, you know, we're on episode two. Can't wait for the third episode, because things are really heating up. This season is good. We got some new people in the mix. We got some new drama. You have a girlfriend this season?

[Austin Kroll]

Yeah.

[Ria]

No longer.

[Fran]

For now.

[Austin Kroll]

Yes. Correct.

[Fran]

Is that false?

[Austin Kroll]

It was true.

[Ria]

What do you want me to say?

[Austin Kroll]

I know, I know. I just hate to be like. Like to talk about it in such, like a. Oh, yeah. And it's done because it was good and all was fine. And then I, you know, not to blame it completely on this whole process that, you know, we're in, but it forces the narrative, and it, like, accelerates your life by, like, 10 months. Right. And it's like, we need to know answers, and we need to know now and. And then once you think that you're being vulnerable, but what you're really doing is kind of providing, like, a chink in the armor for other people to feed off of.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

And that's what happened.

[Ria]

Right. Because we saw in this second episode, they had asked you if you had talked about moving in together, because we see Audrey talking about the traffic, and, you know, the way that it's cut together, it's like, you have no idea what to say to her about sitting in traffic, because you're not gonna be like, we'll just move here because you like your space. And then we see Madison tell Audrey that she thinks Sally likes you, which was amazing television. And we were so happy that Madison did that. But for you must have been awkward, because then you're like, well, you know. Yeah, I do like Sally's friend. I do want to, you know, hang out and talk to her.

[Austin Kroll]

Yeah.

[Ria]

And your girlfriend was like, well, if it crosses a line, that's it.

[Austin Kroll]

And I respect the hell out of it.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

You know, respect the hell out of that. And, of course, that line should be respected. And it was. And Madison, I think that they wanted me to be more, like, annoyed with Madison because she said that to Audrey and I was like, madison's pregnant. Sitting on the beach. She's got to do something. You know, she's feeling, like, been left out.

[Ria]

That was amazing, though. I was like, oh, my God. Like, that's just amazing energy right now. She's sitting there, she's like, why not just stir this up?

[Austin Kroll]

Yeah, why not just stir it up?

[Fran]

Cause this also creates a good. It creates a good drama of, like. Well, does she like Craig or does she like Austin?

[Kelly]

Like, is it.

[Fran]

Which is.

[Austin Kroll]

Oh, Sally.

[Kelly]

Sally.

[Fran]

Yes. Of. Of what's. Of what's going on.

[Austin Kroll]

Sally likes a lot of people.

[Fran]

Sally does seem to like a lot of people. And I was just saying that I think Sally has been, like, a great addition in the sense that she does seem to just let it fly. Like, her. When did you see the clip of her saying she would hook up with you? The day after you and your girlfriend.

[Austin Kroll]

Yeah, she actually texted me when. When we got the episode.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Just heads up, heads up. I say this.

[Austin Kroll]

Heads up. I say this. And kind of like, what y' all are saying. I. I really appreciate people like that. Right. Like, I understand how maybe a viewer. Sally can rub you the wrong way or something, but, like, she's living, you know, open and, you know, honestly, and she takes, you know, her, like, for so long. Right. You know, the show's been kind of revolved around a few people who kind of, like, take the lead, and so it's nice to see other people really have things that are going on. Yeah, I love it.

[Fran]

The show ebbs and flows, which is one of the, like, which is great with Southern charm, because it feels like there are. There was, like, a chunk of seasons where it feels like it's more like the. The guys are more of the lead and then.

[Austin Kroll]

And, like, we knew that that was gonna happen last year.

[Fran]

Catherine. And, like, those were more of female seasons. And the last few, I feel like I've definitely been more male.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

But.

[Fran]

But these girls bring. I feel like, good mix in.

[Ria]

Shallie and Charlie are great addition this season.

[Fran]

And I love Molly.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Yes.

[Kelly]

I love.

[Austin Kroll]

So I feel like we knew last year, especially that story was going to revolve around kind of like.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

Mishap. Craig.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

And we even kind of, like, talked to one another because you're just getting to know people, you know, when you're introducing people like Sally, who had a boyfriend at the time, and, you know, Molly was like, a first season, so, you know, people are getting their bearings. So we knew that a lot of it was going to fall on yeah. You know, a guy centered kind of season. So it's really nice to kind of like you said.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

For. For all these people who are coming out of their shell or who are maybe like.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

Like a great addition to.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

This show. So it's like everyone's doing their job.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

It'S great.

[Austin Kroll]

Great.

[Fran]

Making good tv.

[Ria]

Yeah, for sure. We're all looking forward to the rest of the episodes because we're gonna see a little bit of your storyline with Craig unfold, but we'll get to that. I want to know more about what happened with you and your girlfriend, because like you said, it's not all bad. Like, it was good. Yeah, you're. I think. And correct me if I'm wrong, because we did talk about this about two hours ago on this show. I feel like you.

[Austin Kroll]

Did you trash me before I got here?

[Ria]

No.

[Austin Kroll]

Hold on, hold on.

[Fran]

No, not you as a person. You know how Ri is. Ria was just like. I think, like, I'm kidding. No, I know.

[Ria]

Because I think that you like sticking up for yourself and, like, who you are. I think it's all great. Like, I'm.

[Noah]

I'm.

[Ria]

I'm rooting for that. Austin. It's the. I don't. I think you need to find. When you're in a relationship, you need to find somebody who's exactly like you in the way that you find a partner who wants to be left alone. And then sometimes you guys hang out. Like, I. Because the way that you describe being in a relationship with is not, I guess, your typical relationship. Right. Like, you love long distance. You. You get excited when your partner leaves the house and you're alone. Those aren't things a girlfriend wants to hear. You know what I mean? A girlfriend wants you to be like, no, don't leave. Oh, my God, I wanna hang out.

[Fran]

With you all the time.

[Austin Kroll]

That. That does happen, you know, by the way. So this is great. This is really good practice for later on tonight, right?

[Kelly]

Yes, it is.

[Austin Kroll]

And things that I wanna say. And there are so many things in my head that I wanna say.

[Fran]

Yes, this is dressing. This is dress reversal.

[Ria]

And by the way, I'm speaking for as a whole right now, there are plenty of women out there who are not like that and would prefer space 1000%. So I'm just. I'm generalizing. I'm just more speaking like, I think you probably need to find somebody who's like. Like that.

[Austin Kroll]

Okay, so first off, I saw something where. Where I said on my green screen. Where. Where I said that I saw her like, you know, three to five times a month. And what I meant by that was three to five times at three to five days per, she would come on like a Wednesday, and then, you know, she'd work from home at my house on Thursday, Friday, and then like on Sunday, it was always like, stay, you know, and then she would always leave on Monday. And on Monday I'd be like, stay. You know, and sometimes I can. And sometimes, like, I can't. Right. So it definitely was. Which always made me know that, like, it was good with us because I was not like, okay, shoo, shoo.

[Ria]

Yes.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

But all that I was saying was that when the time came, it was. It was nice to sit on my couch, you know, solo. Right. And I'm not saying where I'm like, you know, now I don't have to see her again for two weeks because we really did make an effort to see each other as often as possible. And since it's only a three hour drive, it's, you know, it was like, yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

That's very.

[Ria]

Three to five times a month when.

[Fran]

It'S worded like that.

[Ria]

It's totally different than, I guess the way that I interpreted it watching the show was that, like, maybe they wanted.

[Austin Kroll]

It to come across that way because.

[Ria]

Of what ultimately happened when she leaves, you know, I'm happy to be alone.

[Austin Kroll]

Yeah. No, no, that's not different than being.

[Ria]

Like, I like my personal time, which is very fun.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Fran]

If you prefer a long distance relationship over someone that also lives in a relationship.

[Austin Kroll]

That's a great question too.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

Thank you for asking.

[Kelly]

You're welcome.

[Austin Kroll]

So I just remember that when Craig was dating Paige and, you know, Craig and I were so, so close. Right. And I dug it. Right. Because, you know, they both had the means to kind of go back and forth and see each other. And I dug that and I was like, I think that this is what I want. And then I found a person who. I know that you just said that I need to find someone that's exactly like me, but I found someone who just brought a level of peace to my life, which I just felt that I needed after failed relationship here. Maybe like a chaos induced relationship here. And it was just, I mean, for someone that does not live in my town, you know, she's not calling me, like, what'd you do last night? And why didn't you call me? Of course that happened like a few times where it was like, I know that, you know, your phone was on you. Why don't you Text me. But it was never, like, there's no jealousy and no nothing. It honestly was so right for what I needed. And then. And then you go and you start to have conversations, right. With maybe my mother or Madison or Craig at coffee, and. And I was having conversations that I feel like normal people have after like, a year and a half in of like, okay, well, we all know what's coming, you know, and what's coming is what's that next move? Right. Because I don't want to do it any longer. You know, three years, like, apart from one another, you know, you re up on a Lisa and, you know, Charlotte and why are we doing this? Right? It was. It was really nice for the amount of time that we did it. And then it was getting to the point of what's next? And I thought that that was normal conversations to have with friends and family, and I picked and chose those friends and family to have the conversation with. You know, my mother. It was very important for me to talk to her about it. It was important to talk to Madison about it because Madison had been in a relationship with me, and Madison knows me pretty, pretty damn well. And so I wanted to pick her brain. But then kind of once it got out there, like, whoa, Austin's having thoughts. I'm like, I'm just having thoughts about the future is now do it is a big deal to then be like, hey, you want to move to Charleston and move in with me? Because that's what you would do. And that could be, like, the next step for the rest of my life. Which it's just, like, a real decision of, like, do you want this to happen or not? Because that's what was going to happen.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

There was not gonna be a talk of, like, hey, you gonna come to Charlotte? Like, no, you were gonna come to Charleston and move in with me?

[Ria]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also feel like it comes down to, though, like, when you find that person, you will know in your heart of hearts, I can't live without you. I need you to come live in Charleston with me because I can't live without you. And so, you know, so if you have that conversation and realize maybe I don't feel that way, then it was good for that. That time and. And whatever. But that wasn't the relationship for the rest of your life.

[Austin Kroll]

Yeah. So let me just say that that. So this does not happen on camera. Right. Because I gave her that grace of, like, not so. But you will hear this all.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

You know what I mean? Did she coming later, like, that that conversation happened.

[Ria]

Yeah, I know.

[Fran]

It literally happened to do. On the show because it's like talking about the show on the show, which is never really talked about as much. But was she anti reality TV or was she just kind of like, whatever? Not didn't care as much.

[Austin Kroll]

She was the latter. She's kind of, like, cool. Like, if you want me to, you know, and. And I'm. I'm not gonna lie. I. I was like, you know, kind of like Ben Madison does with Brett. It's like, let's give him, like, a breadcrumb trail, you know, you don't have to be here every single weekend to film, you know, because sometimes that feels.

[Fran]

Like things just, you know, happen.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

You know, but she was always down sometimes.

[Ria]

Like, nothing bad can. Like, it sounds like nothing bad happened.

[Kelly]

It just.

[Ria]

Yeah, kind of.

[Austin Kroll]

No, no, it didn't. It did.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

And that's. Guys, that's what made it so hard and so, like, adult at the same time, where it was like, wow, Normally you break up because something happens, right?

[Fran]

You know, fireworks, just like.

[Austin Kroll]

And we. And that. That's what made it all that harder because it was like, you know, I mean, I'm fast forwarding. Like, I'm hitting the fast forward button now, but, yeah, that was. I've never done it in this manner. I've never broken up with somebody in the manner that.

[Ria]

Yeah, in respectful.

[Fran]

Right.

[Ria]

Let's. Let's.

[Austin Kroll]

Let's. Let's be honest, like, in. In the past, too. Like, I've maybe begun to fizzle out. And, like, in my head, I'm like, I'm kind of over this, but I'm too chicken shit to break up with you.

[Fran]

How do I push her away?

[Austin Kroll]

So then, you know, you drive your partner nuts because they're like, what did I do wrong? And in reality, you didn't do anything wrong. I was just too chicken shit to break, you know, and so that's something that I was like, by pain of death, I will avoid happening.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Ria]

At least you acknowledge that. Like. Yeah, we're. When Madison said on this past episode that she thinks you had a girlfriend because you felt like you need to have a girlfriend, did you think that was true on her part?

[Austin Kroll]

No, I don't think that that's accurate. I found someone who I really enjoyed spending time with. Right. So it's like, we went away, you know, one time, and after, like, four days together, five days together, six days together, I'm like, wait, you really like this? Like, you really enjoy spending time with this person? And I don't view relationships like I'm gonna marry that girl. Like just cause it's not, you know, endgame doesn't mean that it's not like meaningful time spent together and maybe like an important relationship, you know, view it in black and white. Craig is one of those people who's always been like, if you don't see her as your wife, then what are you doing? And it's like, I've never seen it that way. So I don't trust me not having a girlfriend and filming this show would be so much easier. So I did not have a girlfriend because I felt like I needed one.

[Ria]

Yeah, yeah, Fair.

[Fran]

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[Austin Kroll]

Yeah.

[Fran]

On the show, you know, the last season or so and then even for the preview for for this coming up episode. Looks like you Guys are kind of getting into it in costume. Costume is like, the.

[Ria]

Which seems like it's Craig's favorite time to get into.

[Fran]

Yeah, it is just arguments. It is. It is just funny. But where. Where. Where are you and Craig having a disconnect, like, during these episodes? Where are you and Craig having a disconnect? Because now Craig's single, and, you know, he's. Maybe he's drinking again. And we. We went through everything he said last time and his village, and it feels like you guys are just on separate people pages.

[Austin Kroll]

It. It doesn't have to do with Craig's drinking. Yeah, like, Craig. Craig's drinking. I don't care about. Like, I. It was interesting to me that we have this talk on the beach, and then he. And then, you know, he's drinking again. But. But I'm not. Like, I'm aghast, right? At Craig. Like, I don't care. Like, if.

[Ria]

If.

[Austin Kroll]

If he knows what he's doing and he feels confident and, you know, then great. I ain't his daddy. And that is not, you know, because let's not forget that, you know, last year, it was kind of like a flip where people were like, you know, Shep or, you know, whoever was like, craig, why are you so concerned with, like, what Austin, you know, is doing? Right? It's like, I posted something about, you know, drinking, and Craig was like, you seem to be drinking a lot, Austin. And I was like, don't. Don't worry about what I'm doing, Craig. And don't hit me with that, because.

[Ria]

Then it comes back around.

[Austin Kroll]

And now it's coming back around. It's making it, you know, look like I'm super pressed about Craig and his drinking. But it's. It's so many more things, and sometimes I'm like, I just want to wring his neck, you know, and. Is that such an old.

[Fran]

No, no, no. But it's so. But that is. No, it's such a classic, like, way to describe a frustration with a friend. You're just like, I just want to grab you.

[Austin Kroll]

I just want to bring his neck. And, you know, I don't want, like, bad things to happen to Craig. I just wanted for a long. Like, I've. I've wanted for a long time Craig to take maybe, you know, ownership over. Like, I mean, I feel like he could have come into this season and just been like, hey, guys, I know that last year I had a girlfriend, and for the past, you know, three years, I was like, head down and, like, I had a girlfriend I'm sorry that my, like, friendships with a bunch of you guys kind of fell off, but I'm back. Everyone would have been like, craigie, you know, I mean, it would have been so easily. I just. He doesn't. He doesn't ever do that. And specifically to me in instances. And you'll see an instance that pops up in an episode or two that comes up, and there's no sort of apology for it. It's just like, sorry that the things that I say make you mad. I'm like, that's not an apology.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Sorry for your reaction, but it's not sorry for what I did.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

So it's just things like that that drive me crazy.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Sometimes I wonder, like.

[Austin Kroll]

And maybe we're just fundamentally different, which we are.

[Ria]

Right. I think when it comes down to it, that that might be the case because it seems like, you know, you guys try to patch it up and then you guys just. At the end of the day, it's just. It doesn't pan out. And now we're seeing the previews for.

[Austin Kroll]

The next episode where, guys, it does not get better throughout the season.

[Fran]

It does look like it.

[Ria]

Where do you guys stand? Right?

[Austin Kroll]

And then it's fine. And then.

[Fran]

Right.

[Austin Kroll]

And then. And then it gets. And then it's like, holy shit. I mean, where are we now? Is. You know, Craig. Craig texted me a little bit yesterday, you know, asking, like, where I ate in the city and things like this and.

[Ria]

Oh, my God, like, surface. You guys are having, like, surface level conversations.

[Fran]

Is it tough that you guys, like, have so many other. I guess not so many other, but, like, other ventures and things that you guys, like, do together.

[Austin Kroll]

That's what it was like, so many things like, how do you guys do it? Because.

[Ria]

I don't know. We get.

[Fran]

Well, I think deep down, fundamentally, we're. We're very similar.

[Ria]

We are very.

[Fran]

Yeah, we're pretty similar. I think that's when people are like.

[Ria]

How are you guys still friends? Like, oh, we're friends. We respect each other.

[Fran]

No, but I just think that that. Because when it does come down to it, there are just things that you and Craig, like when you. When you scrape off all the. Outside, the show, the Fred look, everything, it's like, there may be just different priorities.

[Ria]

Right. Because you could have different personalities where. I think Fran and I have different personalities, but fundamentally.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Pretty have similar.

[Austin Kroll]

You know, you would think that fundamentally Craig and I had. I mean, we're the same age.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

We were both in the frat. Bros. And you know, like, like obviously we weren't frat frat bros anymore. Sometimes.

[Fran]

Sometimes.

[Austin Kroll]

Yeah, yeah, of course, of course, of course. But you know, like, you guys come into an office, you have hours that you come in, and Craig and I were trying to create a schedule together where he had a million things going on and I had things going on and trying to make it work. We just began to like resent one another.

[Fran]

Yeah, for sure. That's fair.

[Austin Kroll]

And that sucks because the podcast was meant to be a place where we could come together and bullshit. The most non serious podcast ever. Right. It was like, what'd you do yesterday, Craig? Well, I ate a bowl of yogurt with oatmeal and then I gardened like it was about nothing.

[Fran]

You know, we spent 45 minutes today talking about fat food.

[Austin Kroll]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Okay, that's great.

[Austin Kroll]

Because we somehow made it work. Right. And we somehow.

[Noah]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

Come to an interesting point.

[Fran]

It all starts in different places too. Like when we.

[Kelly]

You.

[Fran]

You start doing. If you start doing something together or individually and then you try and do something together, it's like, well, what is the priority? Our individual things or it's the stuff we're doing together.

[Ria]

And also we became friends from doing the podcast. It wasn't opposite where when friends then make a podcast together.

[Austin Kroll]

Yeah.

[Ria]

It's like we created our friendship.

[Austin Kroll]

Do you guys feel that one of you quarterbacks and one of you kind of like lets the other one quarterback or do you think that you're both.

[Fran]

I think we're pretty. We're pretty collaborative.

[Ria]

Yeah, very.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

Because it started to happen. People like started to happen with us and I was like, take it. Like all that I want to do is show up and bullshit with you for, you know, 40 minutes and jump off, you know, and like we can do that. And if you have more of a direction with where you want to go, then. Yeah, go.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

I don't want to fight about stuff, but anyways, working too closely is not the. The first time that has broken up.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

Like a friendship.

[Fran]

You think. Do you think pills and beer is gonna come back in any way down the line?

[Austin Kroll]

I think it'd be an awesome comeback.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

You know, I think it'd be an awesome comeback. And by the way, but.

[Ria]

But friendship probably should come first before.

[Austin Kroll]

Has to, you know, and we're talking about Craig. But it. But it is funny because I bring Shep into this too where like the three of us have such.

[Fran]

You guys have such a bizarre relationship.

[Austin Kroll]

Just like a pain of one another. And sometimes I'm like, it drives me nuts. And I'm sure that it drives Craig nuts, too, with just his such wrong takes on me. It drives me mad. I'm like, spending all this time with me. How could you be so off about you saying, you know, the thing about Austin is. I'm like, whatever's about to come out of your mouth next is just wrong.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

And Shep does that, too.

[Fran]

I find that Shep. I find that Shep does that a lot about. A lot about Craig.

[Austin Kroll]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Like, I. Or even just from.

[Austin Kroll]

Oh, he does.

[Fran]

He does it about both of you guys. But, like, I just feel like Shep, especially when I'm watching some of his. In his interviews in the show where he's like, well, let me tell you something about Craig, you know, this is. And I'm like, shep, I think you're talking out of your ass right now.

[Austin Kroll]

I do that, too.

[Noah]

I'm like.

[Austin Kroll]

I'm like, I don't think that that's the thing.

[Fran]

I don't think that's what it is at all. Like, I was. We were talking about this for the second episode is that, like, at one point, Shep was bringing up Craig. Like, Craig had the chance to hook up with Catherine back in the day, and then he didn't, but Shep took that opportunity. And Shep's. I'm like, shep, nobody cares about this anymore. Like, nobody cares about him. Nobody cares about 12 years ago. Craig missed his shot with Catherine, but you took it.

[Austin Kroll]

Hold on. But if you ask Craig where him and Shep's, you know, headbutting came into play, it's because in the episode in season two where they were being auctioned off and someone bid higher on Craig than Shep and Shep is.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

Since then, I'm like, dude, that was a decade ago.

[Fran]

They were. But between the two of them, it does feel like they have that more so then. I don't know with you. I think maybe it's a little bit different, but it does feel like with the two of them, because they have been on for so long together, that, like, they both have, like, a notes app that's like, Shep. And it's like, he did.

[Ria]

He did this and this.

[Fran]

And Shep's like, craig, he did this. He did this. They just remember everything.

[Austin Kroll]

I do, too.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

Kidding me. You know, 40.

[Fran]

46. 46.

[Austin Kroll]

And they have just now let's checking his age. They have now let one another.

[Ria]

No. Yeah, I know. He's 45.

[Austin Kroll]

No, he's not.

[Ria]

Oh, wow. The Internet's lying.

[Austin Kroll]

Well, no.

[Ria]

I mean, you're his. You're one of his best friends. And I'm like, no, he's not.

[Austin Kroll]

My dad's birthday. Look, I'm not trying. I'm just saying. No, I know.

[Fran]

Definitely. Which is why I do think it is such an interesting dynamic every season, watching it, like, evolve with you guys.

[Austin Kroll]

But, I mean, Shep has done a good job now at. He's like, I'm just gonna let Craig. Craig.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

And I think that Craig let Shep. Shep and I just don't. You know, Craig and I. I guess it's just unresolved things from last year, because when we talked on the beach, basically what happened was that I was about to, you know, bring up a lot of stuff, but then it turned into something else. So then I kind of stopped with everything that I was gonna say. Cause I was like, okay, well, now we're talking about something, you know, really serious that he's choosing to open up to me about, which I loved and felt.

[Fran]

So you think you still haven't had that conversation?

[Austin Kroll]

So we just haven't cleared out the basement. Which I thought that maybe. I think that we both thought that maybe we could just, like, sweep it away and. Okay, let's just, you know, move on. Because we had a breakthrough of.

[Fran]

I'm having deja vu a little bit. I think this is what we talked about the last time we did. No, we had the same exact. That you guys need to just sit down and you guys. Yeah, but it's. Come on.

[Ria]

It's been some.

[Fran]

It's been some time, but maybe they haven't.

[Ria]

I'm not saying you. In general. I'm saying just, we have to watch.

[Fran]

It happen at the end of the season.

[Austin Kroll]

Look. Yeah. It's no secret to me that, you know, the fans, like, okay, we've been here before. Moving on.

[Ria]

No, it's okay.

[Austin Kroll]

We'll still watch. I don't want to. To. I. It hurts my heart. Like, I almost switched out, like, man, JT was here still, so I could just, you know, argue with him.

[Ria]

Oh, my God. No. Not argue about where we're happy.

[Austin Kroll]

Okay. Yeah.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

Anyways. Moving on from that. But it's like, you know, having someone on that you don't care about.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

Right.

[Austin Kroll]

You know that you can.

[Ria]

These are real, you know, relationship.

[Austin Kroll]

It, like, hurts my heart to have to talk about it and have to rehash it not once, but twice in three times.

[Ria]

And then he'll see this and be.

[Austin Kroll]

Like, but I Haven't said anything unkind.

[Kelly]

Well, are you.

[Fran]

Are you enjoying single Craig any more than relationship Craig?

[Austin Kroll]

I haven't had a chance. Like, I have been a wingman for him once.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

And trust me, I was a wingman. Okay. I was around longer than he ever would have been around if it was the other way around. And I haven't had a chance to see him in action. I don't really know how he operates in the dating world. I don't know if it's Raya or if it's Dia. Like, I don't know what's.

[Fran]

What's he.

[Austin Kroll]

What's he doing right.

[Fran]

Know that you guys are both single. I think at least as far as we know.

[Austin Kroll]

As far as I know, that would.

[Ria]

That's what I was asking. I'm like, what's the answer?

[Fran]

Well, he can speak for himself and say words for Craig. It's like, as far as we know.

[Ria]

Oh, okay. I was like, do you need. Have something to tell us?

[Austin Kroll]

No, no, no. My. Yeah. I mean, man, even my mom was like, austin, just. Just take a beat. And I'm like, okay, mom, but I'm, you know, I'm 38. How much of a beat should I take? So now I'm, like, trying to figure out, because I liked Austin in a relationship. I liked what it made me do or not what it made me do. It's like, the way that I operated. It's like, I go to dinner. I'm like, all right, Shep, you know, Whitney, I'm going home. You guys are gonna go out, and it's a priority shift. And I liked that version. So how am I gonna. Yeah, we'll see.

[Fran]

You'll meet somebody, and you'll meet. Just that classic Charleston dating pool Seems pretty tough.

[Ria]

Can we ask about the George Washington thing?

[Kelly]

What?

[Ria]

George Washington?

[Austin Kroll]

Sure.

[Kelly]

Oh.

[Noah]

Oh.

[Fran]

Oh, my God.

[Ria]

Fran and I were talking about this, and I just need to know. You seemed very upset about the comparison. Okay. And we would like to say that we saw it, and not in a nice. No, but we were like, you know what?

[Austin Kroll]

Okay. Okay.

[Ria]

Kind of looks like Austin, and, you.

[Fran]

Know, he's my founding father.

[Ria]

Yeah. It's all right. You know, it just the way that you were. He seemed very upset.

[Austin Kroll]

Hold on.

[Fran]

The clapback seemed like it was about something else.

[Ria]

Yeah. Were you going through something that then.

[Austin Kroll]

Hold on. I. I feel like we'll stop talking now. Yeah.

[Fran]

Yeah, sorry.

[Austin Kroll]

I'm gonna show is.

[Ria]

So.

[Austin Kroll]

This goes back to, like, when I didn't want to come in here. Right?

[Ria]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

And I used to just get vitriol from this account. And I was like. I was just driving down the street, I opened it, I was like, what the fuck is this? And I was like, damn. You know, like, just such a great weekend at BravoCon, and everything was so awesome. And I'm like, why is she being rude to me then? And then I start dying laughing because her response to me, I was like, Austin, I wasn't trying to be mean. I was like, oh, shit, sorry. And I was sorry, sorry. And, yeah, I guess it was just like a flashback to, you know, shitty times, I don't know.

[Ria]

Well, I was.

[Fran]

I couldn't relate more. I was just like, I just don't need this comparison right now.

[Austin Kroll]

Genuinely. I was like, okay.

[Ria]

I couldn't relate more to overreacting to a comment somebody makes to you that is not supposed to be that mean or whatever it is, and it just derails your day because you. Something else was going on. Something else was going on, reminded you of something, and you were like, what the. And you're like, I don't look like.

[Austin Kroll]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

She was just trying to, like, promote the PBS show to be like, here's people.

[Austin Kroll]

By the way, man, Ken Burns.

[Ria]

Did.

[Fran]

Repost, so he must have seen it too.

[Austin Kroll]

You know, there's just so much. So many comments and pictures. And the interview of me and Chanel just went.

[Fran]

I've ever said in my life.

[Austin Kroll]

I mean, I.

[Fran]

Who are you looking at to try and get. Who are you looking at to be.

[Austin Kroll]

Like, Donald, man behind, you know, the camera. He was just laughing. I was like, donald, dude, give me an assist. Give me an assist.

[Fran]

That was the funniest thing. I'm like, austin is just looking for some. Yeah, someone from Bravo publicist. Someone to be like that.

[Ria]

Help.

[Austin Kroll]

But so, like, so many comments and so many things and like, like, you know, pictures of me everywhere in comments and. And you don't look for comments, you know, but like, a stray one.

[Ria]

Yeah, F your day up when a stray one.

[Austin Kroll]

And I was like, why are you being rude? I was like, bro, no disrespect to George and his wooden teeth, but I. But I was like, man, why you gotta. Why you gotta fuck with me?

[Ria]

We were like, austin must be going through something today.

[Voicemail Callers]

And.

[Ria]

But like I said, being sensitive, you know, very relatable.

[Fran]

I go back to him, I was like, I'm dying right now. I'm like, what is. Is what. What happened?

[Austin Kroll]

Guys, guys. My, like, wall started getting spammed with, like, gifts of George Like. Like been crossing the river, like, crossing the Delaware wall.

[Fran]

You just showed your age. You just went full Facebook.

[Ria]

That's what it makes even worse, though, sometimes when.

[Austin Kroll]

No, it wasn't Facebook. No, man.

[Ria]

You can leave gifts. You said left on your wall.

[Austin Kroll]

My comment section?

[Fran]

Yeah, that's Facebook.

[Ria]

That's what we said, Facebook.

[Austin Kroll]

Excuse me. My Facebook is a different story. I had a. I had an account that had, like, 38,000 followers scamming people left and right. Even my own sister was like, austin, man, your Facebook got hacked. I was like, katie, it's not my Facebook. I don't use Facebook.

[Ria]

People struggling for money.

[Fran]

Yes, you make fake ones, too.

[Austin Kroll]

Now, that happened.

[Fran]

What's crazy is people really do send them money, which is.

[Ria]

No, it is. It's so fucked up.

[Austin Kroll]

Well, when it got to the point where, like, I had to reach out to Facebook, well, I reached out to Bravo PR to help me kid, and it was because a woman had reached out to me and was like, hey, Austin, sorry that I didn't get to meet up with you last night. And I was like, I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Ria]

Oh, my God.

[Austin Kroll]

She's like, oh, my gosh. I'm so sorry. I feel so.

[Ria]

Wait. Oh, no. That's so bad. They thought they were going to meet up with you. Well, that's the George Washington thing. It's so classic, though, because once you say something right, you're like, why the Did I pay attention to this? Of course I'm being flooded. Of course, with George Washington.

[Fran]

Honestly, there's probably a ton of people listening right now that have no.

[Ria]

And now they're.

[Austin Kroll]

And, great. And now they're going to look at it.

[Fran]

And. But you know what? That's. That's totally fine, too. Okay. But I do want to ask about Bravicon quickly, because I know you. You have to go. But 253. How was BravoCon? You enjoyed it? Fun. What was your. What was your highlight?

[Austin Kroll]

Yeah, so my mom and sister came this year, which is definitely a highlight because. Yeah, just this crazy world, and my mom. You know, my sister's seen it. Mom hasn't, and she was just like, this is so neat. People think my son's cool, and it was a lot, right? Because I did a. Watch what Happens live every night, so I didn't even get to get dinner with them. You know, it was like, I went in the day and daytime stuff, and because the F1 race was there, it took forever to get every. Well, the F1 race was the weekend after but they closed down a lot of the streets.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

So I didn't have a whole lot of downtime. But that's okay because, you know, you're there for. Yeah, you're just there to smile and. And take pics.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

And honestly, it was so, so fun. And. Yeah. I'm thankful that it's an every other year thing that feels appropriate because it is a lot.

[Ria]

It's a lot.

[Fran]

Can I ask you what you feel about the whole, like. Cause now I feel like it's been talked about a lot at BravoCon is when it's showcased more, is when they do, like, multiple shows together and everything. Do you feel like there's a Southern charm, summer house, like, rivalry after the whole breakup? Because that's kind of what it's been spun as is like, oh, they don't. We don't, like, fuck with each other now after we have Paige and you.

[Austin Kroll]

Have Craig after the breakup, Maybe.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

Right.

[Austin Kroll]

Because I think that there's just, like, some snarky going back and forth. And at first it was like, all right, well, like, let's ride for our show, you know, and they're riding hard, you know, for theirs. And it really wasn't like an anti, you know, anybody, because I did text Paige after their breakup, and, you know, she texted me back. Very kind message. And so, you know, and then I started thinking. I was like, I don't have beef with Carl or Kyle or Wes or Jesse or Lindsay. And I was like, okay, I don't beef with anybody.

[Fran]

Like, I feel like you were a.

[Ria]

Good mix with them. Like, you. You're friends with them, and maybe you fucked up with some of them.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

And. Yeah, but maybe one of them isn't so fond of me, but that's okay. And so it kind of made me laugh because at Bravicon, Andy was like, so got some beef here. And I kind of, you know, looked around. I was like, shep doesn't even know what you're talking about. You know, he's on, like, his BlackBerry, like, what beef are you speaking?

[Fran]

I mean, Shep's out. Shep's telling. What look to be strangers screaming about.

[Austin Kroll]

It wasn't strangers.

[Fran]

Strangers. Southern hospitality.

[Ria]

I said, yeah.

[Fran]

I said, oh, oh, good reminder. Do you not like the Southern hospitality cast?

[Austin Kroll]

That's so silly, considering that I filmed a party with them, which is more than anyone on my cast can say. I feel that I've been very, very kind to them. Of course, when their show first started and there were a few strays, I mean, look, I'm caught between a rock and a hard place. Like, I know that, like, they want me to give it oxygen like this, and I don't. Right. I think that it only helps them. I think that it's untrue.

[Fran]

Although the show is good.

[Austin Kroll]

Good.

[Noah]

I love the show.

[Austin Kroll]

Good.

[Kelly]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

I mean, in a way.

[Ria]

Say you like Southern Char more.

[Fran]

I love.

[Ria]

I love both.

[Austin Kroll]

You don't have to.

[Fran]

I love both. Like, it took a while for southern. I mean, it's multiple seasons. The first season, I quit on it.

[Ria]

It was the last season. We were like.

[Fran]

The last season was.

[Austin Kroll]

Yeah, right. They found their footing.

[Kelly]

They did.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Kelly]

Yes.

[Austin Kroll]

That's great.

[Kelly]

Yep.

[Ria]

Yay.

[Austin Kroll]

You know? Yeah.

[Fran]

Although, let me tell you, it's a small town for all these reality shows.

[Austin Kroll]

It is a small town, but I feel like, like, one, you know, feeds the other.

[Fran]

Yeah. It's almost like that's how I feel about every. Like, all these shows in Salt Lake City now. I'm like, where do all these people go? It's not that big of a place. Real Housewives. There's so many. Utah. They just said, yeah, tons.

[Ria]

Big place.

[Fran]

Yeah. Would you.

[Ria]

To wrap up, would you date somebody that was on Southern Charm again? Or are you like.

[Austin Kroll]

Yeah, I was like, oh, my gosh.

[Ria]

Like, Sally was interested and we saw that. Or are you looking for somebody who's not on reality tv, like your ex girlfriend?

[Austin Kroll]

You know what? That's a great question. I saw Craig have to answer this question somewhere, and I was actually interested.

[Kelly]

Right.

[Austin Kroll]

Because I was like, yeah, this is a good question. I wonder what he said. And he kind of didn't have, like, an answer for it because I've done both. And on one hand, you think it's easier. It's kind of not.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Because he kind of made it sound.

[Ria]

Like he would, though.

[Austin Kroll]

If something goes awry, then they can make it, like, a huge deal because they, you know, have the microphone in their hand. I don't know. You know, it's just got to be right.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

That is got to be right.

[Ria]

That is true.

[Austin Kroll]

Well, Austin, anything else, guys.

[Fran]

You'Ve had recently?

[Ria]

People have been talking about how you are just a great gossip these days. And you know what? I have to agree. We could just see sit here and talk to you all day long.

[Austin Kroll]

That's when Madison and I are great friends.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Fran]

That's why we wanted Madison to come. I was like, the four of us would have the best time.

[Ria]

We really would. But you are gonna go to watch Happens live.

[Austin Kroll]

Yes.

[Ria]

And this was great. Little Practice.

[Kelly]

Yes.

[Ria]

We are nowhere near Andy and we hope, we hope you have a great show.

[Austin Kroll]

Okay. Thank you.

[Ria]

Thank you so much for coming in.

[Fran]

Thanks so much. We do love when you come in.

[Ria]

Yes, we really do.

[Austin Kroll]

Four score and seven years.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

I first met you guys.

[Ria]

Yeah.

[Austin Kroll]

Or is that.

[Ria]

Oh, well, thank you. Yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

Chopping down the cherry tree.

[Austin Kroll]

Okay.

[Fran]

Anyway, the Southern charm guys. Everyone make sure you're watching Wednesday nights on Bravo. 9:00pm you guys are on.

[Austin Kroll]

I think we're eight right now. And then we'll probably move to nine at nine.

[Ria]

I'm.

[Fran]

I'm being told 9:00pm and obviously streaming next day on Peacock.

[Ria]

You watch on Peacock?

[Fran]

That's where I watch as well. But we are very excited for this new season. Honestly, you have us roped in right from the start and I can't wait to see her Hermione costume.

[Ria]

Cannot wait.

[Austin Kroll]

I am the fugliest person with a wig on. And it was jarring.

[Fran]

It was, it was.

[Ria]

You want to be doing.

[Kelly]

Sorry.

[Fran]

Yes, yes, that would be funny.

[Austin Kroll]

Well, everyone thought that I was going to be hairy. I got like four attacks being like, well, you're obviously gonna be hairy. And I was like, watch this.

[Fran]

Yeah, Hermione. Okay, thank you.

[Ria]

Yes.

[Austin Kroll]

Okay.

[Fran]

Thank you guys so much for tuning in today. Watching listening and a big reminder that tickets are still about available. Available tickets are still available for our Philly show next week, Tuesday the ninth holiday show. Super excited for. We're have a ton of fun. You can get tickets online. Very easy to find. And we will talk to you on Friday.

[Ria]

See ya.

[Kelly]

Bye.

[Chicks in the Office Intro]

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[Fran]

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[Kelly]

Look at the.

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