Tell Me Lies Series Finale + Jenna Johnson Interview: Dream Celeb Partner & More!

Summary

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Chicks in the Office – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Tell Me Lies Series Finale + Jenna Johnson Interview: Dream Celeb Partner & More!
Release Date: February 20, 2026
Hosts: Ria (Rhiann), Fran, and Callie
Special Guest: Jenna Johnson (Dancing with the Stars Pro)

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Episode Overview

In this packed episode, Ria and Fran recap the series finale of Tell Me Lies, discuss their passionate campaign for Murray in America’s Favorite Pet competition, and interview Jenna Johnson, two-time "Dancing with the Stars" champion. The episode also features their signature pop culture trivia. Expect lively debates on pop culture trends, hilarious behind-the-scenes moments, and candid discussions about the world of competitive dance and reality TV.

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Key Segments & Timestamps

• Pet Competition Drama: [02:20 – 16:00]
• NYC Winter Pet Peeves: [13:25 – 16:51]
• Tell Me Lies Series Finale Recap: [18:28 – 36:56]
• Jenna Johnson In-Studio Interview: [39:09 – 81:16]
• Weekly Pop Culture Trivia Game: [82:35 – End]

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Pet Competition Frenzy

[02:20 – 16:00]

• The hosts are deeply invested in Murray (Noah's dog) competing in America's Favorite Pet.
• Quote: “We need our guy Murray to get to first.” – Rhiann [03:50]
• They strategize on voting and donations, recount the ups and downs, and joke about Murray’s “campaign photo ops.”
• Frustrations are shared about the competition’s confusing voting process and ever-changing poll standings.
• Speculation erupts about other contenders ("Enzo" as the ‘supervillain dog’), with hosts getting playfully competitive.
• Dream up a scenario where Murray and Fran’s dog Olive might compete head-to-head—and possibly meet up for a "showdown."
• Notable exchange:
  “Vote for Murray is a vote for the good guy.” – Fran [10:11]
  “Enzo's description says he’s always smiling, but in the picture, he’s not smiling.” – Rhiann [10:40]

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New York Dog Owner Grievances

[13:25 – 16:51]

• The group rants about city sidewalks post-winter, notorious for emerging dog poop as ice melts.
• Quote: “You’re pooping in ice. So the ice just freezes the poop and it’s everywhere now.” – Fran [14:35]
• They bemoan city quirks, like subway stench, comparing NYC to London’s “spotless tube.”
• The conversation turns to the normalization of grime and gritty city life.

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Tell Me Lies Series Finale Recap

[18:28 – 36:56]

• The hosts deliver an in-depth breakdown of the Tell Me Lies finale, emphasizing its role as a “cautionary tale.”
• Fran admits she was initially skeptical but felt satisfied by the finale’s messy, unresolved nature:
  Quote: “I’m pretty satisfied with the way they did it. I’ve just had to accept that they did terrible things to other people as well. And there’s just not going to be justice for those people...” – Fran [18:59]
• Discussion on the anti-hero nature of Steven:
  “Sometimes the bad guy wins.” – Fran [20:52]
• Ria highlights Megan Oppenheimer’s intention to show real-life consequences rarely come for the most toxic characters.
• Dive into main characters’ unanswered arcs: Wrigley and Brie’s ambiguous future, Pippa’s double standards, Bri’s betrayals, and Lucy’s ultimate fate.
• Praise for the show’s choice to leave threads unresolved:
  “Sometimes you just have to be okay with some of the questions not being answered and leave it at that. Because that is life sometimes, huh?” – Ria [31:26]
• Closes on how the creators resisted network temptation to overextend the series:
  “So many shows overdo it, too many seasons, starts to get a little ridiculous. [Showrunner] Megan finishing it where she wanted to… always the right move.” – Fran [36:59]

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Jenna Johnson Interview: Tour Life, Celebrity Partners & More

[39:09 – 81:16]

Life on the Dancing with the Stars Tour

• The group shares highlights from seeing Jenna live, marveling at the show’s nightly intensity and athletic demands.
• Jenna reveals the tour schedule: over 90 shows, “six days on, one off,” and the challenges of life on a cramped tour bus.
• Quote: "There's no better feeling than having... full body exhaustion and going to bed that night and being like, I just gave everything I could.” – Jenna [40:55]
• Wardrobe mishaps (“my corset, the zipper broke!” [41:45]), the importance of professional quick-changes, and camaraderie among pros.

The Creative Process

• Behind the scenes with director Mandy Moore, building routines that keep the pros “proud” for months.
• Highlights collaborations (“mini movie” stage numbers with Val), input into costumes, and chemistry among dancers.
• Jenna: “We get to feel like stars… I never get to dance with Pasha… such a treat.” [45:45]

Social Media & Public Scrutiny

• Discuss how DWTS pros have grown into social media celebrities, not just “supporting characters.”
• Jenna reflects on privacy vs. public life, posting fatigue, and the expectation to be constantly accessible.
  Quote: “It’s not just about your choreography now or your dance… it’s like now everything, your facial expressions... are under a microscope.” – Jenna [48:34]

Family Life & Tour Logistics

• Jenna and Val decided to tour as a family, negotiating to bring their son and a nanny.
• Behind the scenes of “bus living”: sleeping in bunks, rolling into new cities daily, making the best of sometimes unglamorous conditions.
• Strong family and “dance community” ties—traveling and working with friends made since childhood.

Career Highlights & Aspirations

• Radio City Music Hall milestone; the pride and emotion of headlining two sold-out shows.
  Quote: “That is every dancer's dream.” – Jenna [62:19]
• Recent covers, viral abs moment (“years of discipline… not just one thing that I did…” [65:14]), and thoughts on health and empowerment.
• If not dancing, Jenna would be “a forensic anthropologist”—fascinated by anatomy and crime scene analysis! [68:30]

Dream Dancing Partners & DWTS Con

• Dream celebrity partners: Mr. Fantasy (KJ Apa), an Olympian, Jason Kelce (“he would actually be low-key so good!” [71:54]).
• Reflections on past partners like Joey and Jojo Siwa, and the unique challenges/fun of each season.
• DWTS Con announced for July 31–August 2 in Palm Springs: a major fan event, reunions with past contestants, live performances, and panels.
• The value of celebrating the pro dancers and allowing fans unique access:
  “This is a fan experience… this is your place to do it.” – Jenna [75:42]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You’re pooping in ice. So the ice just freezes the poop and it’s everywhere now.” – Fran [14:35]
• “Sometimes the bad guy wins.” – Fran [20:52]
• “You just have to be okay with some of the questions not being answered and leave it at that. Because that is life…” – Ria [31:26]
• “There’s no better feeling than having your… full body exhaustion and going to bed that night…” – Jenna [40:55]
• “It’s not just about your choreography now… now everything, your facial expressions… are under a microscope.” – Jenna [48:34]
• “This is a fan experience… this is your place to do it.” – Jenna [75:42]
• Fun fact: Jenna’s secret alternative career path would be forensic anthropology—“I love murder investigations. I’m obsessed.” [68:52]

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Lightning Trivia Highlights

[82:35–End]

• Pop culture trivia with competitive guest challengers, covering everything from Beyoncé albums to random "Cars" movie references.
• Playful bickering and nostalgic reminiscing over Disney Channel deep cuts and 'rom com' restaurant cameos.
• A new overtime rule: another Rotten Tomatoes score prediction to decide who goes first, keeping the stakes high to the very end.

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Episode Tone & Takeaway

This episode embodies the signature “Chicks” tone—upbeat, open, and unfiltered. The hosts balance sharp pop culture analysis with humor and authenticity, never shying from tangents about city life, dog drama, or their own competitive streak (even about dog votes). The Jenna Johnson interview offers rare, candid insights into the reality of professional dance and the pressures of modern celebrity, rounded out by plenty of laughs and camaraderie.

Best For:

• Fans of reality TV, especially DWTS
• Listeners craving TV/film recaps with personality
• Anyone who enjoys behind-the-scenes stories or just needs a fun pop culture fix

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Transcript

[Fran]

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[Rhiann]

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[Callie]

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[Fran]

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[Fran]

What's up, everyone?

[Rhiann]

It's Chicks in the Office with Rhiann Fran giving you that Friday energy on a Friday. Before we get into the rest of today's show, we got Tell Me Lies recap. We have a great interview with Jenna Johnson and trivia. Chicks in the Office is presented by Microsoft Copilot. Like I said before, before we get into the rest of the show, we need to talk about the thing that is keeping everyone's lives organized right now, and that is Microsoft 365 copilot.

[Fran]

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[Rhiann]

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[Callie]

Good.

[Fran]

I feel like I'm excited for another chill weekend, which is, you know, I'm feeling that Friday energy. Getting to chill Friday energy brought to you by Planet Fitness, as always, which I'm good. I have. I don't really have any solid plans, which is nice because Joe is gonna be away. So it's just a little Fran and Olive weekend.

[Rhiann]

Nice.

[Fran]

It'll be nice.

[Rhiann]

Yeah, that sounds lovely. Right now, I am in deep with Noah's dog Murray's competition to win America's favorite pet.

[Fran]

Yep.

[Rhiann]

I don't even know how I got in so deep, but I am in deep so Noah had been sending us this link to vote for Murray in, like, I think he's beat out hundreds of dogs in his plan. Right.

[Callie]

This has started, like, maybe end of December, early January, I think.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Fran]

It's been going on for a. I've been voting for a while.

[Rhiann]

Yeah. He's been sending the link to vote.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Callie]

You get one free vote a day.

[Rhiann]

You get one free vote. Or you can donate and get multiple votes.

[Jenna Johnson]

Yes.

[Rhiann]

So this past week, Noah sent the link and was like, murray's in the quarterfinals and he's in third. And he's been in.

[Callie]

This is the first time he's ever not been in first.

[Rhiann]

Right. So he's been knocked down. So I was like, all right, well, we need to up our donations and up the voting. And so we did, and we've been keeping track of Murray, and he fell and he went to first, but then he fell back down to third. So then last night, I'm writing in a group chat that Noah and I have with other friends, and I'm like, guys, we gotta push Murray back to the top. Like, I'm sorry, this is bullshit. So then they jumped in and they started donating and getting votes. Murray gets pushed up to the top again, Right. We're like, oh, he's back in first. We love to see it. Donating to a good cause, also getting Murray votes. You know, it's a win. Win for.

[Jenna Johnson]

Yep.

[Rhiann]

Woke up this morning, Murray's back in third. And I'm like, what the hell is happening here? We need our guy Murray to get to first.

[Callie]

You don't know how many votes. They don't show you how many votes. They just show you the order. But it's like, you don't know, like, how far behind.

[Fran]

You don't know how far behind you are. Because here's the thing. It's a back and forth. There's still, what, a lot of days

[Callie]

left on this for the quarterfinals. The quarterfinals ends in eight days, February

[Rhiann]

26th at 7pm Pacific Time.

[Fran]

Yeah. There's a big grand prize locked into this. And you get a magazine cover. Murray will be on the COVID of Modern Dog.

[Callie]

Yeah. And my mom is going to donate some of the money, obviously, to the new Chance Dog where she fosters.

[Rhiann]

Where she fosters, exactly. So this is all going to a good cause.

[Fran]

And Maria's going to be the biggest. Ria's going to be the biggest donor today.

[Callie]

Limited time. You get two free. Two free votes today.

[Rhiann]

Listen, I'm on it already. Oh, my goodness.

[Fran]

I'm on it.

[Rhiann]

And I'm just like, how does he keep getting knocked down to third?

[Callie]

I just. Because you said, like, I'm going to turn notifications on. I don't know what you're meaning. It's the first time I'm seeing that. Want to be notified. Murray drops in position, receive text updates.

[Rhiann]

I literally was like, I'm going to get text updates on this.

[Fran]

Get text updates. As you should.

[Rhiann]

I'm so into the competition.

[Callie]

Had my mom changing the picture that we're using for. Don't worry.

[Rhiann]

Well, I was like, I don't. I don't think the picture they were using for Murray.

[Callie]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Was good enough.

[Callie]

I think it was.

[Rhiann]

Showed his. His. Him at his best, you know, because he has so much personality. He's larger than life. He's a big dog. And I was like, I feel like we need more personality from Murray here. And now I think the pictures.

[Callie]

My mom was, like, trying to find pictures. Sending me, like, losing her mind.

[Fran]

As you should. I'm trying to find the, like, homepage for it just to check in, which is.

[Callie]

I could send it, which is weird because America's favepet. Com.

[Fran]

I know it is, but when you click on the main, like site, there's no. It tells you the details of the competition, but there's no, like vote.

[Rhiann]

It is hard to navigate. I have Noah send me also.

[Callie]

Like, yeah, they make. They do make it a little difficult.

[Rhiann]

Like, well, it's hard to vote, which

[Fran]

is what I'm saying. If anybody's listening. I was say if you wanted to vote, just help support Murray. I like, if you go to America's Pet favet dot com. I don't even know where you go to vote.

[Rhiann]

I know, I know. We're have to post the link on, like, I don't even know there's a vote button because we need Murray to win this. We need him to take this shit home.

[Callie]

Yeah, they do make it hard to find.

[Rhiann]

Listen, these other dogs, they're cute, okay?

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

Don't get me wrong. They're cute.

[Fran]

I'm not even kidding.

[Jenna Johnson]

No.

[Fran]

Where is the vote button? Do you have to log in first to make an account and then vote?

[Callie]

No, no, no.

[Rhiann]

Yeah. I haven't had.

[Callie]

It's really just not having the link. I'll send it to you.

[Fran]

But that feels like. That feels impossible. How could anybody else vote if they share the link?

[Rhiann]

I know. Well, we'll share the link and then everyone can click the link to vote.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Callie]

Yeah. So, like, okay, if you want Americasfaithpet.com 2026/murray. And maybe that just takes you there.

[Fran]

Oh, let's check.

[Rhiann]

Try that. America's favept.com.

[Callie]

no, you need to do the whole

[Fran]

thing, which is 2026. Oh, wait, it's coming up into my. It's coming in. It came up in my history anyway.

[Callie]

Okay. Americas favepet.com 2026 murray-50dd. That's what it is.

[Fran]

Murray's got those double Ds, so.

[Rhiann]

Americasfavepet.com 2026murray50dd.

[Fran]

Yeah, lowercase D. I'll repeat.

[Rhiann]

Americasfavepet.com2026murray50dd.

[Callie]

Yes.

[Rhiann]

And that will take you to Murray.

[Fran]

Murray, limited time.

[Rhiann]

You don't gotta even look at the other dogs to vote for that.

[Callie]

This will take you right to Murray. And just get your free vote in.

[Rhiann]

Get your free vote.

[Callie]

All you have to do is log into your Facebook. Should be easy.

[Fran]

Yep.

[Jenna Johnson]

Facebook.

[Fran]

Also another Facebook these days.

[Callie]

This is the only time I've used my Facebook in the last 10 years.

[Fran]

Yeah, same. Yeah, I'm, like, logging back into my Facebook to try and get these votes in.

[Callie]

Oh, wow. I didn't realize. It's like, today's. Actually. Everything's off. So if you. If you spend 25, you get 50.

[Fran]

Oh, everything's double. You spend 50, you get 100. I see now, I mean, I'm going

[Rhiann]

to have to put more in.

[Callie]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

So you're also open to donating? I need to.

[Fran]

Well, by the time everyone's listening to this, the double will be over.

[Rhiann]

The double will be over. But for us.

[Fran]

But for us. And Murray is currently in second place as I'm looking right now.

[Callie]

Oh, I didn't even read all my mom's, like, description. Like they have.

[Rhiann]

Oh, I read every dog's description last night. Because, you know, your dog, the picture, I feel like, has to match the description.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

You know, and if you're.

[Fran]

She's got some good pictures down at the bottom.

[Rhiann]

If your picture doesn't match the description, then I'm like, well, oh, and everybody.

[Callie]

Yeah. I didn't even see all the other

[Fran]

pictures, you know, not that I want to look at the other dogs, but I don't even know how I do that.

[Callie]

You have to hit or if you hit in where it says currently second. If you hit in the. Oh.

[Fran]

In the quarterfinals. I see. I see.

[Rhiann]

I see Enzo.

[Fran]

Enzo. Enzo's in first.

[Callie]

Oh, wow. Ford fell to fourth.

[Rhiann]

Oh, Ford is a handsome dog.

[Callie]

Although I do like Drac. I don't know if that's how you say it?

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

Wow.

[Fran]

Well, there's some very cute dogs in here.

[Rhiann]

I am in deep with this.

[Callie]

This is reminding me of the people's short swords. Please vote.

[Rhiann]

Please vote.

[Fran]

So, by the way, this dog's picture is incredible and should make Mouse Mouse Nicole Scallinger. I know that's gotta be AI.

[Callie]

That's gotta be AI.

[Fran]

I sent Mouse Nicole. I think that's AI. And this dog skateboarding with a backwards head on.

[Rhiann]

I almost voted for Mouse Nicole last night. I was like, how's this dog? Got him first.

[Callie]

Whoa, Whoa. I'm going to be bleeping this. Also, that picture of him. There's like a. It looks like an ad. Like, there's a treat bag in the corner.

[Rhiann]

The ad does Mouse Nicole knows tricks.

[Callie]

Honestly, feel bad for Atlas last place.

[Fran]

She's an amazing retriever.

[Rhiann]

Her parents said, listen, everyone, vote for Murray. And.

[Fran]

Yeah, vote for Murray is a vote for the good guy.

[Rhiann]

Yes, exactly.

[Callie]

I can't believe this is only the quarterfinal, by the way.

[Rhiann]

In my head, I'm just like, Enzo is like, this super villain dog going against Murray.

[Callie]

That's how you have to look at it. This is the. Yeah, this is the top 1%.

[Fran]

Funny, because Enzo's like. Just because they're such different dogs, that it's so fun. Like, you picture Enzo being carried around like he's on a pillow, and he's just looking down at everybody.

[Rhiann]

Well, not to come for Enzo too hard, but in Enzo's description, it said that Enzo always has a smile on his face, but in the picture, he's not smiling.

[Callie]

That's true. He actually looks pretty annoyed, like, you

[Rhiann]

know what I'm saying? So that's why.

[Fran]

I mean, like, there's some other pictures of him smiling down.

[Rhiann]

Okay, I didn't see those. Show them.

[Callie]

Oh. Oh.

[Rhiann]

Aw. That is cute.

[Fran]

Don't look at the cute pictures of Enzo.

[Callie]

Honestly, it's still.

[Rhiann]

Don't look at Enzo's photographs. Oh, wow.

[Callie]

We're getting off track.

[Rhiann]

Okay, so we're getting off track.

[Fran]

We're getting off track.

[Rhiann]

Murray's ever won.

[Fran]

Yep, yep, yep. Enzo's cute, though. No, no, we. We love. You know, speaking of dog. Just dogs and dog.

[Rhiann]

You should have got Olive in there. And then Olive and Marie come. Oh, my God. Each other.

[Callie]

Yeah. Like, they meet in the finals.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Callie]

Because I still think there's, like.

[Fran]

And then we, like, have them meet up in real life for a showdown.

[Callie]

They share the COVID That's the day.

[Rhiann]

Oh, that'd be so cool.

[Fran]

I gotta bring. Can you Ask your mom to, like, invite me over. Maybe I can. We should go to Noah's house.

[Rhiann]

Yeah, I don't think we. We need an invite.

[Fran]

I don't think we need an invite, but I think. I'm sure your mom would host us.

[Callie]

Oh, yeah.

[Fran]

For, like, a. For like, a little afternoon lunch. I can bring Olive.

[Rhiann]

We can go to a workout with her.

[Fran]

Murray and Olive can, like, run around in the backyard.

[Callie]

My mom would bring Murray back in.

[Fran]

Yeah. Olive, just, like, any chance I can get to get her out of the city with some dog friends.

[Callie]

Murray likes little dogs. Murray doesn't. When it's a bigger dog than Murray, he kind of gets weird, which is good.

[Fran]

Cause Olive likes big dogs. She doesn't like small dogs.

[Rhiann]

We'll be in the Cape this summer.

[Callie]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Oh, good point. We could do that. Yeah, that would be a good plan

[Rhiann]

too, but I invited myself to both of your houses.

[Callie]

Yeah.

[Jenna Johnson]

Yep.

[Fran]

We'd like to go to all. Thank you.

[Callie]

Squire.

[Rhiann]

Yeah, we could bring the dogs. Can you bring the dogs there? Dog friendly.

[Callie]

There's a dog bar outside the Squire where it says dog bar, and it's just all water.

[Rhiann]

Amazing. It's all his dream, and especially if Murray wins.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

Gonna take Murray out on town.

[Callie]

Honestly, you guys should walk with Murray through Chatham in the town that we live in, because he's, like, a celebrity.

[Fran]

He's a star.

[Rhiann]

Wait till you know this cover of Modern Dog.

[Fran]

Seriously?

[Rhiann]

Shit.

[Fran]

Everyone's gonna put the COVID like, in their store windows.

[Rhiann]

Oh, my God. I could see it already.

[Fran]

I'm, like, chatting, Home of Modern Dog cover stuff.

[Rhiann]

I'm becoming, like, Murray's manager.

[Callie]

Did Murray come back on the podcast, talk about it?

[Rhiann]

Yeah, if he wins.

[Fran]

Only if he wins. Only he wins. Which, you know, will be helping for sure.

[Callie]

But we don't want him to have an Ilia type situation.

[Rhiann]

No, no, no, no, no. All right.

[Fran]

No, no, we don't. But I wanted to say that the New York streets have been covered in ice for months now, and it's starting to warm up a little bit, and all the ice is melting. And I don't know what happened to the dog owners in this city, but the carm is out the window.

[Rhiann]

The.

[Fran]

And I think it should be the opposite, because in my mind, it's like, okay, your dog. Maybe your dog poops on some. On some dirt kind of blends in. You're. You know, it doesn't pop. You're not like, oh, this is so obvious. Dogs poop on the snow. It's clear as day. It's it's against snow. There's poo and there's poop everywhere. I have noticed that for some reason. I don't know why dog owners in the city have decided that, like, if my dog poops on the snow, I don't have to pick it up.

[Rhiann]

That's insane. It's disgusting. Even if it is on the dirt, you have to pick it up. You have to pick it up regardless.

[Fran]

You have to pick it up regardless. I'm just saying I like the fact that it's more in snow.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Is crazy to me because it's like. It's not hidden. It's out there.

[Callie]

I feel like you think, like, oh, it's gonna melt, so then it'll just disappear. Dumb.

[Rhiann]

Which is really dumb.

[Fran]

Actually does the opposite. You're pooping in ice. So the ice just freezes the poop and the.

[Rhiann]

Ew. Ew. Ew.

[Fran]

And it's everywhere now. All the ice is melting. So all the ice is melting and there's just shit everywhere. Everywhere.

[Rhiann]

That's disgusting.

[Fran]

When I walk, all of it's like,

[Rhiann]

you're just dodging it.

[Fran]

Dodging left and right.

[Jenna Johnson]

Oh, God.

[Fran]

The amount, like, it's just everywhere. It's crazy.

[Rhiann]

That's really despicable.

[Fran]

I've seen some Instagram posts.

[Rhiann]

People are not being like, why did

[Fran]

dog owners just decide that they weren't gonna. They weren't gonna pick up dog poop in the snow?

[Rhiann]

Yeah. That is not acceptable.

[Fran]

It is really not acceptable at all. I. I don't. I didn't like that one bit because now I heard there's no snow.

[Rhiann]

Enzo's owner believes the poop in the snow.

[Fran]

Damn.

[Rhiann]

Well, Enzo is one thing we can certainly confirm.

[Fran]

One thing we can certainly confirm is that Enzo's poops are probably way smaller than Murray's.

[Rhiann]

You don't know that. You don't know that.

[Fran]

No, no, no. But yeah. I don't know why people are doing that. It's so gross. It's not ideal, because that and then, like, the garbage that was frozen solid under all the snow is now just coming back up too. So all this ice. The sidewalks are not.

[Rhiann]

No.

[Fran]

Are not looking good these days right now.

[Rhiann]

No.

[Fran]

Around these parts, just poop and garbage.

[Callie]

Ew. New York City for you.

[Fran]

Yeah. Welcome to the.

[Rhiann]

It's the charm.

[Callie]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Shit's been waiting for you. It's just literally everywhere. I don't know what it is.

[Callie]

Don't you think, like, how you're just used to, like, when I walk into a subway and it just smells like reeks of piss. And I'm like, it doesn't even faze me. I'm like, that smells bad. But it's like, this is just the city.

[Rhiann]

Yeah. I just feel like it's always been that, like, yeah. You know, like I'm not like, whoa,

[Fran]

I'm so never smelled good.

[Rhiann]

So. Yeah, exactly. That's what he's saying.

[Callie]

Like, yeah, you just get used to it. But then you go to another city and you're like, wait, not every city is like this.

[Fran]

Yeah, but I wouldn't say I've ever gone to a city and taken their, like, public transportation. Like, this smells amazing.

[Callie]

Wait till you go to London. Wait, did you ever take that? You still haven't taken the tube?

[Rhiann]

I.

[Callie]

Because the tube is like, yeah, spotless. No one talks. It's great.

[Fran]

Yeah. Well, not here, not, not here, but dog poop.

[Rhiann]

Dog poop everywhere.

[Fran]

Quite literally everywhere.

[Rhiann]

Moving on. Moving on from this gross conversation. Yeah, yeah. We do a great episode today. We got the Tell Me Lies finale recap. The show has come to an end. We have Jenna Johnson on today's episode as well and we have a great game of trivia.

[Fran]

So let's get into it.

[Rhiann]

Starting off with the Tell Me Lies recap.

[Fran]

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[Callie]

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[Rhiann]

It's officially over, ladies and gentlemen.

[Fran]

It's done.

[Rhiann]

The time has come. We must wipe our hands clean of Steven DeMarco and Lucy because Tell Me Lies has officially come to an end, not only just for this season, but as a series as a whole.

[Fran]

Yep.

[Rhiann]

They announced that this would be the last. The last season. Megan Oppenheimer said that, you know, this is the way she envisioned it ending, and that's how it's gonna end. And we must discuss the ending of events of this season.

[Fran]

Yes. I certainly was skeptical going in, being like, how are they gonna wrap up this show in this one episode? And I will say I'm. I'm pretty satisfied with the way they did it. And I've just had to accept that they did terrible things to other people as well. And there's just not gonna be justice for those people. Like, they're just quite literally getting away with murder. And there's just some things that you're just not gonna know, which is okay, I think. It's not like, every storyline wrapped up, and then there was, like, one or two that didn't. Megan, I feel like, with the core group wrapped it up pretty well, where it's like, all those side characters, they're just gonna continue on in whatever shit they're doing. Because this episode really had me on the edge of my seat. When Oliver and Marianne called Bri into that office with her mom, I couldn't believe it. I was shocked. I'm like, marianne's the worst. Both of them.

[Rhiann]

They're terrible, terrible, terrible people. Absolutely terrible.

[Fran]

It pains me that there's no consequences to their heinous actions, and they just continue to terrorize young female students.

[Rhiann]

No, they're awful.

[Fran]

But it's like, honestly, it made sense to end it in a way where actually, there's no redemption. There's no redemption, there's no consequences. They just continue to be evil. And you're like, well, they're evil confirmed. Evil forever.

[Rhiann]

I saw Megan talk about how this is a cautionary tale. Like, not every ending is supposed to be a happy ending, because it's really showing sometimes how real life dynamics.

[Fran]

Sometimes the bad guy wins.

[Rhiann]

Right. And how sometimes there is no resolution. If someone is just straight up evil. There's no happy ending there. They just continue to be that. And we see that with Marianne and Oliver. We see that with Steven. You know, most importantly and notably, nothing ever happens to Steven, really. I mean, he gets the offer to Yale rescinded.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

Thanks to Wrigley. Shout out Wrigley. There, my king. But that's really, like, we don't see anything happen with the Macy stuff. We don't see anything happen with everything else he's ever done. And by the way, he ends up having his ending that he wants, which is to embarrass everybody at the wedding. Which, by the way, when I watch this, I was like, cracking up. I was like, is this meant to be funny? Because I. I really liked it. Like, it was. I was like, this is hilarious what's happening right now? And, you know, they were leaning into it sort of with the cake throwing, and it was sort of cheesy and it wasn't so serious, but I couldn't believe that I was, like, laughing. And then Lucy ends up laughing in the end as a whole, because it's just like this motherfucker gets away with it all.

[Fran]

I think it was good, too. Cause it just. It was like, now we really all don't have to be friends, you know, it's like they were still holding on to something. All that time between. Like, I still couldn't wrap my mind around the fact that the way they were all talking to each other in their dorm room, the girls that they somehow were still breeze bridesmaids. I'm like, how are you all even still friends? And of course there is, like, Lucy leaving school and all these things that we're just never gonna know that in between time. But the jump to the wedding does, like, perfectly make sense because I think it's everybody's way of having this big meetup where they're all together, but they all kind of wash their hands of each other, where it's just like, this is. This is it. I mean, Pippa. Pippa coming clean to Lucy. And then Lucy being like, I slept with Evan. And Pippa being like, oh, my God. Like, I was like, pippa fucking relax.

[Rhiann]

Like, Pippa is on her high horse a lot.

[Fran]

A lot.

[Rhiann]

I did understand what Pippa was saying in the fact that, like, it is. It is a little different because it, like, is Lucy's best fucking friend and she's doing it to another girl. So I understood her.

[Fran]

It's strictly supposed to be her best friend, right?

[Rhiann]

But it's like, girl, you know, don't do it to other girls. So I understood what she was saying there, but Pippa just getting on her high horse about everything ever when she has been doing, you know, wriggling so dirty. You can be mad, totally be mad.

[Fran]

Like, the whole, like, I don't think I can ever be like, I'm never

[Rhiann]

going to talk to you.

[Fran]

I'm never going to Talk to you ever again.

[Rhiann]

You all have done up. So Pippa was just on her high horse. Yeah. And then for Pippa to not step in when Lucy was expelled at any point, you know, crazy, right? Was insane. I think, honestly, for the best that Lucy was expelled and just, like, take her out of that school, like, get her away. Also, how about Brie being like to Evan, you know, if you slept with Lucy, tell me right now and I can forgive you. But she wouldn't forgive Lucy and got her expelled from school. Like, oh, I'm gonna forgive this man, but I'm not gonna forgive my best friend. Like, just everyone picks and chooses who is right and who is wrong when they are all wrong, just on different levels of it all. Wrigley and Brie, I mean, what I'm gonna take from this is that they end up together.

[Fran]

And Meghan said that. Yeah, like, she has been interviewed and kind of talked about where she sees all these characters after this point. And she was like, look, I think, you know, I had it written that they lock eyes across the room and they're kind of free of all these people, and it's all over now, and they can kind of start fresh and be together. And she. She was like, I think they're soulmates.

[Rhiann]

That's beautiful. That makes my heart happy. I thought that Bri and Wrigley were so cute together. And, you know, it's one of those shows that you're rooting for them to fucking cheat on their significant others because the show's so insane. You would never usually root for something like that, obviously. But with this show, you're just like, you know what? These two might as well be together.

[Callie]

Why were they about to. Why was she about to marry Evans? Like. Like, why?

[Rhiann]

Because Evan's family. Brie was saying this is her. Her shot at having, like, a normal life. Because Evan's family comes from money and can, like, provide those things for her. So I think that's where that comes from.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

And. But they're not meant to be together, clearly. And they were getting divorced the next day at this point.

[Callie]

Yeah.

[Fran]

There she was. Like, I could see them. You know, it's probably a quick annulment, and it's like, what. It's like it never happened.

[Callie]

Right.

[Fran]

And Wrigley and Bri can be together. I don't really. I don't know how. I don't know how any of them sit with the things that they've done, like Bri putting that tape out and then continuing to just, like, be friends for however long, bridesmaids, the whole thing, and just be like, I'll never tell her it was me.

[Rhiann]

Is.

[Fran]

Is so crazy. I mean, look, in the long run, probably for the best that. That Lucy left that school. But at the same time, it's like, clearly she never forgot about it. And also, Steven made her think she somehow did it herself. Like, Stephen was like, you sure you didn't do it? And, like, Lucy's like, I don't know.

[Rhiann]

Did I?

[Callie]

Like, you probably thought she did.

[Rhiann]

She was in such a state of hallucination. Hallucinations and delusion that she probably thought that she did. But Bri, holding on to that for so long, years and years, making her bridesmaid. I don't know how you could possibly do that. Which makes sense now that Bri was like, I'm the worst person. Yeah, you've ever met. And then on top of that, Stephen getting up there, making the speech, and then Lucy choosing to leave with Stephen once again, that wasn't some master plan by Lucy. Lucy really was getting in that car with Steven again. It's not like she took her bag into the gas station. She got two coffees. I don't think that this was some master plan by Lucy to be like, now I'm gonna get one over on Steven. No. Lucy fell back into the trap of Steven. And then she finally learned, this motherfucker's always gonna win.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

And I think that's what she took from this. And they can all just, like, fuck off and not even be near each other anymore.

[Fran]

Yeah. What's so crazy to me is I don't know if I'm missing some parts from other seasons, but it feels like Lucy and Steven hadn't seen each other, like, at all at any point in between. So it's like years and years and, like, a pretty good chunk of time later. And yes, also, he. He is so destructive and chaotic that, like, even the way he broke up with what's her face, Lydia, Lydia was just like, I forgot they were engaged first. Like, when she threw the ring at him, I was like, oh, my God. I forgot they were engaged. Like, it's just so crazy for just two seconds of, like, let's cut the crap. Like, you know, I slept with Lucy this morning.

[Rhiann]

I.

[Fran]

It's over. Leave, like, whatever. And it's just like, okay, well, that ends that. He's like, we're just together to mess with Lucy. Like, it's crazy.

[Rhiann]

I Also something that was left out for me, and I'm not sure I missed. It was like, How Lucy and Max end up back together. Yeah. Like, how do Lucy and Matts end up back together? And what happens with Alex? He's not a breeze wedding.

[Fran]

No. Those are the questions. We'll just never know.

[Rhiann]

We'll just never know. But I'm like, I think Lucy, she went on to just become like a travel agent. Yeah. And then ends up with Max and then where's Alex?

[Fran]

Right. I know. You never really know what happens. You never really know what happens there.

[Callie]

And

[Fran]

yeah, there's. And even with like Steven, it's like, oh, he doesn't go to Yale. Which the cut to Wrigley's face walking down the hallway after, he was like, his acceptance was rescinded.

[Rhiann]

Just fantastic.

[Fran]

Just really great tv. But clearly him not going to Yale, he's still fine. You know, it's like he's still living his life. I mean, he's driving a nice ass car. So clearly that didn't hurt him that much.

[Rhiann]

I was happy that it seemed like Wrigley got sort of a happy ending here if he ends up with Brie. Because I saw Megan Oppenheimer talk about this too, where she said that she saw an interview that Spencer did. Spencer did. About Wrigley's character and how it was just like it's written in the stars for him basically to never succeed. And like, everything's gonna be bad for her.

[Callie]

Right.

[Fran]

It was like even he was like, I don't know how we could even move on from this. Like, I don't know how he could redeem himself because we already know from the jumps that he's still down bad.

[Rhiann]

Right. And so she sort of flipped it around and wrote it in for Wrigley to have sort of a win here.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

And quite the opposite for Lucy. She talked about how people had been calling for, you know, Lucy's punishment for three seasons. And so that's what she did, is that she punished Lucy because the audience was like, we need to punish Lucy.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

And now when we see Lucy get punished, we're like, what the fuck?

[Fran]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rhiann]

So I. And I think that it goes to show, like. Like her saying it's a cautionary tale. Like, people like Steven exist in the world and unfortunately get away with it and they continue to be these horrible people and nothing ever comes from it. And that's sort of the ending of this show. It's like, yep, he's gonna continue to do this and there's no happy ending here for them.

[Fran]

Yeah, definitely. And it felt like I was trying to find the quote of her saying it too, where she was like, she has always felt like she's kept Lucy a fairly redeemable character. Like, it's. I felt like in her mind, Lucy is doing. She's making the wrong choices, but it's not with ill intent.

[Callie]

Mm.

[Fran]

Which is why it's like, okay, you just. You just get her. You just get her out of there.

[Rhiann]

Like, most of the time, I feel like even though when Lucy makes these terrible decisions, I end up feeling bad for her.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

Cause I'm like, her headspace is just all clouded by this horrible person that Steven is.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

And so you end up feeling bad for her. But I thought that the ending was kind of perfectly wrapped up, and if they continued it, they would be opening up even more storylines and we'd have more unanswered questions where sometimes you just have to be okay with some of the questions not being answered and leave it at that. Because that is life sometimes, huh?

[Fran]

Yeah, exactly. She had said it felt like the perfect ending to me because it felt inevitable. Like, talking about Lucy and Steven, one of the themes of the season was inevitability and the consequences of these actions during this time of your life, where you think nothing is that permanent, nothing is that serious, and then actually finding out that it is, the consequences can really matter. I really wanted to show serious stakes of what happened for Lucy and making these decisions around Steven, because I think it is a little bit of a cautionary tale. Like what? Like what you were saying. And Grace is also quoted in this, too, that she was like, I really do hope it's her last wrong choice. Just saying, like, she. She said, I think she needed that final confirmation of who this guy is. She was like, how long had it been? Six years since they saw each other. But it wasn't a real end of the cycle. It wasn't her doing. So she's clearly been thinking about him still consuming her mind. She's always subconsciously looking for a sliver of an opening to go back to him. And she did, and she got the confirmation that she needed. That's why I love that she laughs at the end because you think she might cry. And it's almost like, oh, my God, I say it all perfectly now.

[Rhiann]

Yeah, I liked that a lot.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

Yeah, I thought. I thought it was a great ending. Yeah, I'm satisfied.

[Fran]

Yeah, I am, too. I definitely am, too, because you just. It needed to blow up. And I liked that. I liked that Evan got a swift kick in the dick, like, he deserved that. And I'm Happy for Pippa and Diana, too. As much as, you know, Pippa was frustrating at times. Clearly her and Diana have made it work all these years. I liked kind of the little hint that Diana did go to Yale and obviously loved it. She's like, oh, she's got all the Yale memorabilia and everything, so it's like she got to do what she wanted, which is great. Cause then it's like, oh, once again, Wrigley. That act from Wrigley not only fucked over Steven, but it was such a huge help, probably for Pippa and Diana's relationship, because she didn't leave to go to the west coast and be super far away. And they were probably able to continue seeing each other or rekindling or whatever it is that got them back together. Because she was only at Yale.

[Rhiann]

Yeah, exactly. And then also still being able to keep that friendship with Wrigley as well. Yeah, I thought was nice, man, though,

[Fran]

did Wrigley not need that hair at the wedding? You know why they do that to him like that?

[Rhiann]

I think that was a wig.

[Fran]

It had to be a wig.

[Rhiann]

They're calling him wiggly.

[Fran]

Yeah, it was a wig. It was 100% a wig. It was really bad. It's just so drastic. Yeah, it was. So they were trying to be like, oh, time jump. But, like, he looks older with the short hair.

[Rhiann]

Much better. Oh, my gosh. Like, you know how they gave Steven that haircut at the wedding? Yeah. They should have just done the same thing for Riggs.

[Callie]

It's also only six years. Like, a picture from. Of me six years ago. I looked the exact same like. Like, you didn't need to.

[Rhiann]

Like, I don't. So. So it could be true for some people.

[Fran]

Well, I feel like they kind of did it to. They really only did it to Wrigley, though. Like, some of the girls maybe had a little bit of different haircuts, but they didn't, like, drastically change.

[Rhiann]

Well, his hair was the drastic.

[Fran]

Yeah, but, like, it was a drastic change. It's like, he probably didn't need a wig.

[Rhiann]

No, no. They just needed to give him a haircut like they did with Steven.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rhiann]

You know.

[Fran]

Yes.

[Callie]

Whatever happened there, Wrigley's face when Steven started making that speech was so funny.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Callie]

When they. Did you already say that.

[Fran]

No, no, no, no, wait. I mean, it was just like. I think they all were kind of like, holy shit, it's all happening.

[Callie]

But he looked, like, so happy about it because he's like, oh, good.

[Rhiann]

Like, oh, I was.

[Fran]

Well, they' Evan's screaming at him and he's just looking at Bri like, yeah, love you.

[Rhiann]

That was the worst part of it was that, like, I didn't want to be smiling and laughing at Steven doing this, but I was like, I was like, I am eating this up and I hate that because, you know, it

[Fran]

was, it was satisfaction for the viewer to be like, finally the truth is

[Rhiann]

out in the open.

[Fran]

Somebody said it all.

[Callie]

It did feel like kind of a light hearted, funny ending to a show that seemed really serious and like dark for a lot of the time. Like, if that makes sense. Yeah, like, it was funny.

[Rhiann]

Like, but I was okay.

[Fran]

I was okay with that. And I find it to be like, more hopeful. Like, I find it to be like they didn't end it in a super dark, depressing way. It was like, yeah, some of these relations, like, are ending. Some are good, some are in a happier place. And like, Lucy's finally learns her lesson and can be like, like, got me again.

[Callie]

Do you think she learned her lesson or if she sees him again, she's fallen.

[Fran]

No, I think she did.

[Callie]

I hope.

[Fran]

I would like, I would like to think she did. And I hope that's what I will tell myself. Yeah.

[Rhiann]

I hope Lucy gets into some therapy after this.

[Fran]

Yeah. Megan Oppiner also said she thinks that Lucy, like, never sees these people ever again. She was like, in her mind, Lucy, like runs off and literally never sees any. Any of these people ever again. I was like, you know what? Good that.

[Rhiann]

Right.

[Fran]

Is probably a good thing too.

[Rhiann]

And I think it's. It was fine that it ended in a light hearted, like, sort of way with that because it shows that you can go through like these really dark times like they all had gone through in college and then they are able to kind of move on from that as well or hopefully move on because we don't know what happens after this. But it's hopeful.

[Fran]

Yeah, definitely. So all in all, a good, solid finale.

[Callie]

And

[Fran]

sure, like, I was thinking, like, sure they could make more, but I like that they're ending it at 3 sometimes. So many shows overdo it too many seasons starts to get a little ridiculous. It feels a little forced. Megan finishing it where she wanted to and be like, no, this is really. This is really it, I think is always the right move where you sort of go out on top and it's

[Rhiann]

often the fourth season where things get unraveled. We notice in shows. And on top of that, I love that it's like not just like a money grab.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

Because they could have made A fourth season because of how high the ratings are. But she was like, no, this is. I'm looking at this as the ending,

[Callie]

which, if you could have a spin off for one character, who would you want it to be?

[Rhiann]

I would like to just see more of Brie and Wrigley, but I don't know how interesting that would be.

[Callie]

I agree with how much drama there.

[Rhiann]

Yeah. I'm just. I'm just like, aw. They were.

[Fran]

To be honest, none of them are, like, worthy of. They need each other.

[Rhiann]

They do. Right. Because you're not just gonna have one about Steven or one about Lucy. I mean, I could see one about Lucy if she just has a totally different life would be interesting. But, yeah, you know what? I'm happy with this for now and I think we can kind of like wrap the bow on it and we don't need to be pushing for more spinoffs or anything right now. Agreed. All right, that wraps up the recap. The game time app gives fans the advantage with constant innovation. It's how you unlock amazing tickets and experiences in just a few taps. It's so simple to use. The game time guarantee means you get 100% authentic tickets on time at the best price. No surprises. Fees are included in the price you see. And what you see is what you pay, period. I think those Hillary Duff tickets are now on sale and we are looking for looking at going and we're going to look at game time to get those tickets also Harry Styles right around the corner. You can look at game time for that as well. So take the guesswork out of buying tickets to every type of event with game time. Download the game time app, create an account, use code chicks for $20 off. Your first purchase terms apply Again, create an account, redeem code C H I C k s for $20 off. Download the gametime app today. All right, everyone, we are here with a very special guest. We are joined by Emmy nominated choreographer, Dancing with the stars pro two time mirror ball champion, Jenna Johnson.

[Jenna Johnson]

Wow.

[Rhiann]

Thank you so much for joining us.

[Jenna Johnson]

Thanks for that intro.

[Fran]

Of course. Hit all the big stuff.

[Jenna Johnson]

You deserve it.

[Rhiann]

And cover model.

[Jenna Johnson]

Oh, work. Yes. Thank you. Thank you.

[Fran]

We're so excited to have you in the studio. We've been trying to get you on the show for a while.

[Rhiann]

Thank you.

[Jenna Johnson]

I know you guys. I'm so happy this is happening.

[Fran]

One of the busiest people.

[Rhiann]

All of you guys. As you should be.

[Fran]

Truly everyone is but booked and busy

[Rhiann]

as you should be.

[Fran]

Thank you.

[Jenna Johnson]

I'm trying to seize the moment but yes, I'm very excited to be here.

[Fran]

Good. We're pumped. We were just chatting about the show because we went to go see Dancing Stars Live this past Sunday, which we had such a blast. And the show, so much fun. But you guys, you know, it's not like a lot of breaks. You guys are night after night after night after night.

[Jenna Johnson]

Yeah.

[Fran]

So how, like, how do you feel? How far along are you guys right now in the, in the tour? You're in the thick of it.

[Jenna Johnson]

We are. Like, I think we just decided that we are in our 20s of shows and we're doing 97.

[Rhiann]

Oh.

[Fran]

So we're in the beginning stages, not even the middle.

[Rhiann]

It's the beginning.

[Callie]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

That's insane.

[Jenna Johnson]

But. And you know, yes, it's like we're doing a show every night, but the show itself is pretty physical. Like, it's non stop for us. I think I have one change that's like 12 seconds. But I love it. I love feeling. I love being an artist, first of all, but I love feeling like an athlete.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Jenna Johnson]

There's like no better feeling than having your. Maybe I'm psychotic, I don't know. But like having a full body exhaustion and going to bed that night and being like, I just gave everything I could and that feels so fulfilling.

[Rhiann]

Yeah. And we see it on stage. You are absolutely mesmerizing. To watch, like, it is so incredible. Not just to watch on tv, but to watch live in person is a whole other experience. I mean, you guys really give it your all and you can tell that you're totally in your element while you're on stage. You mentioned the quick changing. Like, you have maybe 12 seconds. Yeah. What happens if you don't get changed that fast? Like, do you miss the beat? Like, how does that happen? Because you guys seem to just do it every single time without a beat miss.

[Jenna Johnson]

So we're so lucky to have like the best wardrobe team ever. And they are just professional at these quick changes. But actually, I think it was last week. I have a dance with Val where it's on camera and the camera starts on me and I can't miss that beat. And my corset, the zipper broke.

[Callie]

Oh.

[Jenna Johnson]

So my little titties were held in by a hook and I. And it's also my duet. I can't not go out there and I start the piece. And so I was like, just do

[Fran]

the hook and I.

[Jenna Johnson]

She did it. And then the whole rest of the dance, my. The back of my corset was open and I'm like trying to whisper to Bella, I'm like, my top is broken. Like, don't pull it or else we're screwing.

[Rhiann]

Yeah, you're like, there were kids in the audience. Yes.

[Jenna Johnson]

But again, it's kind of makes it exciting because that's just what makes, like, a professional, is the show must go on. And so it keeps you on your toes if, like, little things like that happen. But it's not ideal. Obviously, you want to look great.

[Rhiann]

By the way, that dance, beautiful dance that you and Valdu like, is absolutely stunning. Jaw dropping.

[Fran]

The costumes are so much fun. I'm wondering, like, what's like, creatively when the. When the tour is being formed and everyone. You're organizing all those things, like, what. What's everyone's role in kind of picking moments or choreography or anything like that?

[Jenna Johnson]

Yeah, well, we have an incredible director, Mandy Moore, and she's known all of us for years. And so she knows a just like, what our vibe is, what our style is. Also, I think something that's important for her and us. We're doing these dances 97 times. Like, what's a show that you're gonna be proud to do and that you're not gonna be over in a week?

[Rhiann]

Right.

[Jenna Johnson]

You know, and so, like, even my dance with Val, she sat down with us and she was like, guys, I've seen you dance a hundred times together. I don't want to see you do just another paso or cha cha. That doesn't mean anything. She was like, I really want you to think about what you want to do this tour. And we. I loved that because it really pushed us. We decided we wanted to make, like, a mini movie on stage and play with camera. And we do have this live camera element. And so she kind of, like created this whole movie for us, and it was just so inspiring to be part of that. So I would say, like, she determines the show and the songs, and we can bring some ideas to her for sure. Like, Val and Danny knew that they wanted to do, like a Brooklyn themed, like, something together. You know, they never really get a dance together. And so that's such a special, special moment for them. And then when it comes to costumes, we have the same costume. Our wardrobe department from the show works on the tour. And so again, she knows our body, she knows what we like. And also, you're wearing this piece for four months. Like, you need to feel good, you want to feel hot, you know, So I think it's just a comfort thing, but something that's going to keep you inspired for four months, because it's a long one.

[Fran]

The showgirl, Copacabana. Like, I was like, that's incredible. Oh, my God. I was just. I don't know when I would ever in my life. Maybe Halloween.

[Rhiann]

Yeah, that's true.

[Fran]

Something like that. But the whole time, I'm like, God, that. What a fun costume we got to put on.

[Rhiann]

So fun. And it really shows your guys creativity and how talented of artists you really are. Like, you and Val saying you want it to feel like a movie up there. And it did feel that way, because when the camera starts on you, all of a sudden you're just locked into your face on the stage and you're brought through that, and it's just incredible. And, like, you mentioned, like, Val and Daniella dancing together is so fun. And the way that you all can have so much chemistry with each other, I'm amazed by every single time I see it happen and just going off of that.

[Jenna Johnson]

I think it's so fun for our audiences to see because we are always paired with a celebrity partner, and we create magic with them and that chemistry and that camaraderie, but you never really get to see us dance with each other, and that's what we're really good at. And so I love that the tour celebrates the pros. And I think of all the tours, especially this one, they have pushed us so hard, and they really want us to feel like stars. Like, that feels stupid to say, but we can feel it.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Jenna Johnson]

And, like, even with the audience's response and support. But, yeah, it is so much fun for me to dance with Brandon. Like, I don't get to dance with him all year long, and I've known him since we were 8, and so to be able to, like, do a beautiful, contemporary, emotional piece with him, it's such a treat to do. I never get a dance with Pasha, and we get to do an Argentine tango this year. Like, it's just. It's so fun to dance with elite dancers as well. You know what I mean?

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Fran]

And I love that everyone's the best of the best.

[Rhiann]

Right? And I love that you bring up the point where, like, you really feel like a star, because although the show is called Dancing with the stars, you guys are stars yourselves. Like, you know what I mean? Like, yes, you're a pro, but you're also a star.

[Jenna Johnson]

I think for a couple of seasons, we were the supporting characters, and that's ultimately our job. Like, you know, we have a purpose when we are in season, and it's to take care of our celebrity and give them the best experience possible. And we're also competitive, but it's amazing to see. And maybe it's the shift of social media and us being able to create our own little reality shows behind the scenes during the season. But it's so interesting to see the love and genuine, like, interest fans have of us now where, like, even this season, I feel like our. The pro's engagement was, like, just as popping as some of our celebrities that we had.

[Rhiann]

Yeah. I mean, people are obsessed with you guys, as we all are. And, you know, everyone has always been interested in your guys lives because who's married to who, who's dated who in the past, who grew up together. Knowing somebody who's 8 years old, people

[Fran]

are just going to realize, though, that that was the case. Like for those who have been watching the show forever, you're like, oh, yeah, we know all this about them, but these newer. This newest audience, they're like, wait, what? They dated?

[Jenna Johnson]

They're married.

[Rhiann]

It's so funny seeing everybody connect the dots online. And now there's even more of a microscope on all of you guys. What is that feeling like? Because not only, you know, there's always been a microscope on your professional life and dancing, but now it's personal as well. Even, you know, when the show ends, the season's over. All throughout the year, I guess it's

[Jenna Johnson]

a little different for me because it's always kind of been that way for me because my relationship has just been public for a while. So I feel like now some of the other pros are experiencing what I've felt for a while where everyone has a say on everything and it's overwhelming. And Ezra and I were just talking about this, like, yeah, it's wild that there's this expectation from us to, like, have us at such a close reach, you know, and for people to have a say. It's not just about your choreography now or your dance or whether they, like, your partnership or not. It's like now everything, your facial expressions

[Rhiann]

on how you react to what the judges are saying about another couple, like, everything is under a microscope. And sometimes I feel like that must be hard because you. You must be like, listen, I just finished my dance. I'm tired. Every. You're waking up so early in the morning to get ready, and sometimes anybody could just like, space out thinking about something, but now they're looking at every single reaction everybody has. Well, everything.

[Jenna Johnson]

But also, it's not just on camera. It's now. Fans have videos of us in the skybox, in a commercial Break when we just are usually, like, off or just, you know, whatever it is. And that's.

[Bri]

Yes.

[Jenna Johnson]

So, yeah, it's interesting, but I feel like, again, I kind of been under more of a microscope for so long, so I feel like I have a little bit more experience with it.

[Rhiann]

Like, you said you talked to Ezra about it. Are people asking you for advice? Like, okay, Jenna, how do you deal with all of this?

[Jenna Johnson]

Yes, again, because I think it is. It's usually just been so professional about, like, whether they liked your dance or not, but it is now so much more in depth with this relationship online and social media so integrated into our world and into the show, honestly, as it needs to be. But, like, yeah, even this December, like, I just wanted to turn off a little bit, and I had such anxiety that I wasn't posting, and that's never been part of my life. Like, I've never had this, like, FOMO of, oh, man, I'm not sharing. I'm not sharing. People are asking me, why am I not posting? Why am I not posting? Like, I've never had that anxiety before. And that was a lot. Like, I don't always want to be sharing everything. I love privacy. Like, I'm down to be vulnerable in an open book. But, like, this expectation that I need to be sharing daily, weekly, like, that's just not sustainable.

[Fran]

The show has made you guys, like, like, social media stars. And they expect. I think people expect the same amount. Yes. When the show's not on. When it is, and you're like, well, when the show's on, you're posting all the time. Because it's now kind of feels like part of the job. It's like you got to be sharing the behind the scenes. And then when the show's not on, it's like, oh, I guess, am I still supposed to be doing all the same? But I want to know, because you guys have taken a little bit of a break, why you and Val wanted to go back to do tour.

[Jenna Johnson]

Oh, yes. I think for a while, you know, like, I was pregnant, so that wasn't an option for us to do tour. I then was like postpartum, and we did a month of tour two years ago when my son had just turned one, because that felt like that was sustainable enough. But both of us are still performers and we really love to dance. And also, like, last year when I won with Joey, I came out for about four weeks sporadically throughout the tour, but I wasn't able to take my son with me, and that was really, really hard. Like, I didn't want to do that anymore. So when this tour came up, we didn't really know it was an option for us to do the whole thing as a family because we'd never expressed, like, we're down. If you will accommodate us, the three of us will go on the road for four months.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Jenna Johnson]

So I think we just had to have like, a really honest conversation with the tour, and they were really excited by the idea of it. And. But we kind of had, like, terms, you know, like, it is package and we are bringing somebody else because we have need a nanny to go with us too. Like, that's a lot to ask.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Jenna Johnson]

And they accommodated everything. And I think it was also, you know, I think Val knew that he was going to have an absolutely epic season with Alex. And I think because I felt that support last year when I was able to tour with Joey and, like, meet the fans that supported us, I know that that was important for him as well, to be able to, like, see the fans face to face and, like, thank them, because it is wild that these strangers show up for you week after week and, like, support you during a really intense time of your life. And so, yeah, I'm so happy that both of us get to be on the road touring the whole time. It's been five years since we've done a whole Dancing with the Stars tour, so it's. It's pretty amazing. And the fact that we get to do it with our son, he gets. He watches the show every night is nuts.

[Fran]

Did getting. Did getting to watch how Danielle and Pasha did it help you guys at all? Because I know that they've had their daughter with them as well, for sure.

[Jenna Johnson]

I think that made it feel more accessible for us. And, like, oh, it is realistic. It's hard.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Jenna Johnson]

You know, like, we're finishing. We're going to bed at 2am every day, and then my son's up. But, you know, he still needs us to be mommy and daddy, so. But I think watching them really was like, okay, there is. Is a blueprint for this. It's. It can work, right? And then also, I think that was something that was really exciting for us is my son is in school, and we didn't want to take him out of those social experiences with kids. So knowing that there was going to be another toddler on the road, and they have the sweetest relationship.

[Fran]

They're so cute.

[Rhiann]

They're so cute.

[Jenna Johnson]

It's insane.

[Fran]

Giving her a little kiss and she was like,

[Rhiann]

so sweet.

[Fran]

It was so cute.

[Jenna Johnson]

I Think all of the stars really aligned for us and just it was like an easy yes, let's do this.

[Rhiann]

What is life like on the road? Like are you guys traveling in the buses?

[Jenna Johnson]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

Every single day? Yeah. Can you take us through that? Every time you guys talk about it, I'm like, there is no possible way. They're all on these buses every day. Are they?

[Jenna Johnson]

Yes, it is a bus tour, you know, and it's very different than like an artist tour where you're doing two days on, four days off or three days on. No, we are going six days on and we only have one day off a week. And we could be doing six or seven shows a week because usually we have like a matinee show like we did this past Sunday. But yeah, you basically wake up on a bus. You sleep in bunks. We have like a little back room for our family, but honestly the bunks are more comfortable because it's like a little coffin. It's so dark, rattles you to sleep. You wake up, you walk straight into a venue. So you're not going to a hotel. You wake up at the venue and in the freezing snow you're getting your suitcases off the bus if you need to, dragging them into the venue, set up shop, brush your teeth, shower, do your little routine, whatever you can fit in. So that's like going to like a coffee shop in the new city, go to the gym, do whatever you need to, do some work stuff. And then honestly the girls have to start getting ready by like 3pm because we do meet and greets every day around 5. You do a meet and greet for an hour and a half and then you have about 30 minutes of dinner going straight into warm up. And then from warm up we have about 30 minutes to quickly put on some tan, do our last minute touch ups and then we're on stage and we do a two hour show every night. You get off the stage, you shower in venues. Sometimes they're locker rooms, sometimes they're scary little bathrooms. You never know. That's where you do your little nighttime routine. Put on your PJs, bundle up, drag your suitcases, put them on the bus and go to sleep.

[Rhiann]

Huge props to you guys, honestly, huge props.

[Jenna Johnson]

The day in the life and you

[Rhiann]

guys are out there looking absolutely fucking drop dead gorgeous every single day and night. So it's just so impressive.

[Jenna Johnson]

I mean I'm like, don't look at me too close today. It's like giving a little crusty.

[Rhiann]

No, no, I'm mesmerized. By how you look. Like you just look absolutely beautiful.

[Fran]

And it's crazy because I just feel like people go on tour now, and it's like nobody really does the bus thing that much anymore.

[Rhiann]

And you know what? Is it really fun? Like, this is what I imagine it's like. Because, honestly, I would, like, love to be touring on a bus. Come sleep over. No, literally, like, is it, like, really fun at first, right? Like, everyone's excited. Like, it's just starting, and then midway through, you're like, fuck, we're still on this bus for sure. And then at the end, you're like, oh, no, I'm gonna miss the bus.

[Jenna Johnson]

That's exactly.

[Rhiann]

This is what I imagine. It's like. That's the flow. First it's like, sleepover, and then.

[Jenna Johnson]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Which is why it's also funny because I've seen Ezra talk about it, too, and it's like he cracks me up because he's like, yeah, you know, it's fun. But then it's all like, they're all with their families. Like, they're. Most are married relationships. There's kids. Like, you're just like, all right, let me get my bunk.

[Rhiann]

Yeah. I love the pairing that Ezra and Hailey have right now because they are. They dance together just magically. And they're both so good. And they were, like, a huge highlight of the show for me yesterday, both of them. I was like, they're incredible.

[Fran]

They are.

[Jenna Johnson]

It's fun because we actually. Our bus is that group, so it's me, Val Rome, or nanny, and then it's Haley and Ezra, and it's just great vibes, obviously. I feel very protective of Hailey being my niece, and I just want to, like. Like, I didn't have anybody showing me the ropes when I was 19 joining the show, and I just want to be able to, like, show her the ropes and help her guide her in a smooth transition into the craziness of this. But then Ezra I've also known since he was, like, 10. Yeah. And so it just feels like family traveling together. I love having them on our bus.

[Rhiann]

It is so funny how you guys have known each other since you were young.

[Fran]

The dance community is so.

[Jenna Johnson]

She's a small one, and it's like, also, four of us are from Utah together. Like, we're taking over.

[Rhiann]

I love it. I love hearing all about the behind the scenes. Like, you even saying you've known Ezra. Like, I think this is why we become attached and want to know more about you guys.

[Jenna Johnson]

No, it is special.

[Fran]

What are you. What have you been thinking about. I know you kind of joked that you guys already kind of do your own, like, behind the scenes stuff. Yeah. But the fans want, like, a reality show.

[Jenna Johnson]

I'm down.

[Rhiann]

I thought that's what we were getting with the big announcement, which we're really excited for the dancing stars. We'll talk about that. But, yeah, reality show.

[Fran]

You know, reality show.

[Jenna Johnson]

It's funny because I've said for years that there should be a reality show about either the behind the scenes of the tour. Us on a bus.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Jenna Johnson]

Like, that is interesting. So interesting, because it's so unique that I have spent more time with these people than my own family. You know, like, I don't see my siblings or my parents as much as I have seen these people sleeping in a bunk six inches away from me. But also, too, I think. I think the fans would love it. And the tour has been doing a great job of putting out these, like, mini little episodes. We did film a lot of the making of. Of this tour when we were in tech, and we've kind of just been like, dropping little episodes here and there. And I think the response has been so encouraging. I'm like, guys, let's get on this.

[Rhiann]

We need a documentary.

[Jenna Johnson]

Yes.

[Rhiann]

Yeah, we need the whole thing. Because it really is a testament to how hard you guys work, though, really. Because you guys are getting on that bus. You don't get. You know, you don't give a. You're going to the showers that are maybe in a small bathroom. Is anybody out there being like, no, I need a first class ticket to here, and I need to be put up at the Ritz, and I'm not staying in the bus.

[Jenna Johnson]

That's what I love.

[Rhiann]

Like, you go like, no, this is dance life. Like, this is what we're doing.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Jenna Johnson]

And then, like, add an element of having a toddler on the road as well. Like, he's also doing this. He's also freaking showering in venues.

[Rhiann]

Like, what a cool thing that he gets to grow up and talk about. Like, it's awesome.

[Fran]

It is. That is so much fun. I know. I feel like a reality show is just. Just everybody's hoping for it. And now I think we're probably gonna get something about a new pro, which, yeah. Will be really exciting.

[Jenna Johnson]

I'm interested. I've heard all the. All the tea, the rumors. I'm like, work.

[Fran]

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[Jenna Johnson]

Yeah.

[Fran]

What did you guys all think when you saw Radio City on the. On the schedule?

[Jenna Johnson]

I think all of us were very excited because we used to do Radio

[Callie]

City

[Jenna Johnson]

and we haven't for, I think, six years. I don't, don't quote me on that, but I know it's been a long chunk of time. And the fact that we were able to sell out two shows at Radio City, we've never done two shows there. It's just wild. Like, that is every dancer's dream. And I think just to be able to like, also headline it together, you know, like, we are the ones selling out this show is unbelievable. It is truly a dream come true. Like, I had a moment last night. We were leaving the venue and I just like looked up at the sign and I was like, what just happened today? Like, what is my life?

[Fran]

Yeah, I had a moment too.

[Jenna Johnson]

And also,

[Fran]

wow. On stage.

[Jenna Johnson]

Yes.

[Fran]

You also were on stage on stage at Radio City. I'm in.

[Callie]

Yeah.

[Jenna Johnson]

You're like, I sold out this show.

[Fran]

It's like, wow, you guys all came here for me.

[Jenna Johnson]

But yeah, it's just, it's very surreal. And then also too, I just hearing my niece's name be called for the first time my sister, her mom, was in the audience. And to do that at 19 is also nuts.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Jenna Johnson]

So I think there's just. There's so many emotional things for me at this time, and I truly. This is not me, like, putting out a statement. This is my last tour ever, but. But I really don't know how many more tours I have in me, because I do want to have more children. I also am, like, getting older. I'm not sure how long my body's gonna hold up or how much longer we'll be able to be accommodated together. So I think, too, I'm just treating this as, like, every day is, like, the last of this experience, you know, but it's not. I'm hoping to do many, many more, but I just.

[Rhiann]

Taking it in.

[Jenna Johnson]

Yeah. Taking in how lucky I am.

[Rhiann]

And you could see it on all of your faces as well. And I think that's what makes us, the crowd, be even more captivated. I mean, even, like, Val, being from New York, he looks out and he's like, I love you, New York. And you just, like, you feel it. There's so many emotions involved, and it makes all of us feel like a part of it, which is so magical. You know, speaking of your body, your abs have been quite the conversation this. This past season. And I have to say, you know, everyone's always like, like, jenna, give us the ab routine. I'm like, guys, she's dancing 24 7. Like, no matter.

[Fran]

I have a special routine.

[Rhiann]

No matter what routine, she tells us all, we're not gonna look like that unless we are dancing 24 7. And still, I don't know if we have the genetics for that, everybody. Okay. She is a specimen.

[Jenna Johnson]

It's so funny. I don't know how it happened. I mean, the power of social media. But it's been super funny and super sweet of everybody to comment on my abs, I guess.

[Rhiann]

No, they're insane. I mean, it's, like, not to objectify, but it is hard not to look at you and go, that's fucking awesome. Like, to just. I think it's empowering, really, what I think it is, as a woman, to be able to look at you and be like, yeah, her abs are fucking awesome. She's so strong. And, like, we want to be strong like her. You know that.

[Jenna Johnson]

Thank you. I think for. I just am a really disciplined, consistent person, and I haven't always had, like, abs like this. And so it is a lot of hard work. There's not one thing that I did that all Of a sudden, they just magically appeared. But I think it's just, like, years of discipline and saying no to certain things. But, yeah, it's. It's so wild that my abs were memes and going viral. Like, that was not on my bingo card for this year at all.

[Rhiann]

And that was part of the show, too, with, like, the.

[Jenna Johnson]

Oh, yeah. It was the core special.

[Rhiann]

Yes, yes. So good.

[Fran]

I know. That does make me laugh because it is. It's such a funny thing, especially with socials, like, drop the workout routine. Queen. You're like, girl dance 24 7.

[Rhiann]

I don't know. You get on there, you're like, I don't have a routine.

[Jenna Johnson]

I'm sorry. She's a toddler.

[Fran]

I get a little bit of a plank in before we get out there.

[Rhiann]

Like, but it is so sick, though, like, just to see, like, a strong

[Fran]

woman out there and a strong woman who gets to be on cover of this magazine. You're on Supermodels Unlimited. Stunning, gorgeous cover. Have you. You've seen. There's a billboard.

[Rhiann]

Yes.

[Fran]

You've seen it or haven't seen it?

[Jenna Johnson]

I have a picture of it.

[Rhiann]

Okay.

[Jenna Johnson]

Okay.

[Fran]

I haven't been going to see it.

[Jenna Johnson]

Yes.

[Fran]

Amazing.

[Jenna Johnson]

But that, you know, I like, with my team, I made a little dream list for the year last year, and that was on the list to, like, do a cover. I did two this year, which is just crazy. And then to also, like, have a billboard in Times Square. So.

[Fran]

So it's not even just a cover. It's like, Most Beautiful.

[Rhiann]

It's Most Beautiful issue.

[Fran]

Most Beautiful.

[Jenna Johnson]

I'm not deserving of that title.

[Rhiann]

You are.

[Fran]

You absolutely are.

[Rhiann]

Radio City and a billboard in Times Square in one weekend. Like, the emotions really are coming in.

[Jenna Johnson]

I don't know what life is, honestly.

[Fran]

You got to do, like, you know, full, kind of more high fashion esque cover.

[Rhiann]

Right.

[Fran]

So you got to do all the shoots. What was that experience like for you, getting to, you know, play dress up and do all that?

[Jenna Johnson]

Yeah, I loved it because I think, too, I'm always an athleisure. And, like, I did a cover that was more like, sports and athletic gear, which was so fun. But I really am so interested in fashion and styling, and I've been just really pushing myself in that element to, like, not just be dancer Jenna, but to be able to be many different things. And so, yeah, to be able to be in, like, a dress and more high fashion was such an accomplishment for me. Yeah. And I get to play dress up all the time, but they're like costumes, you know, so to be in, like, gowns and jewelry and just, like, styled. It was such an incredible experience.

[Fran]

So gorgeous. I feel like it's such a fun element to get to see you guys do other stuff. Cause I know everyone's like, it's Jenna Dancer. It's like, everybody's kind of like, dancer title. And I'm sure you guys all have other fun interests and hobbies and things you love to do, but dance is such a huge thing in your life. And you've been dancing since you were how old?

[Jenna Johnson]

Three.

[Fran]

Yeah. Like, so forever your entire life.

[Jenna Johnson]

Yeah. That will always be my identity.

[Fran]

But is there something, like. I'm sure you've been asked this before, but if you weren't a dancer, is there something in your head of like, oh, I would have liked to have done that.

[Jenna Johnson]

Yeah. I am just enamored by anatomy. And, like, blood does not scare me at all. Like, even last night in the changing room, Daniella had a bead stuck in her foot. And this was in the first act, and before in intermission, we had to get it out. And I was like, hands in there.

[Fran]

Give me the tweezers.

[Jenna Johnson]

Yes. I love that stuff. And my dad was a surgeon, and so I would. This is niche. This is crazy. But I a forensic anthropologist and, like, really specialized in bones and bodies. I also, like, love murder investigations. I'm obsessed.

[Fran]

So you would be like, the person when on svu, they get the body and then they're like, someone look at this body and tell us what happened.

[Bri]

Yes.

[Jenna Johnson]

Connect the dots.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rhiann]

Yes.

[Jenna Johnson]

I've always been intrigued.

[Fran]

That's not what I thought you were gonna say. And I love it. I love that answer.

[Rhiann]

And also, I bet. But with, like, you said, you know, Daniela, she's a. Like, that probably happens all the time where there's some sort of. Yeah, he cuts, bruises. Yeah, yeah.

[Jenna Johnson]

No, I, like, you know, the other night, I scraped my foot and it was gushing blood mid show, and you just, like, gotta wipe it. Put a band aid, wrap your foot and go back out there. So, like, none of that stuff ever grosses me out. Yeah, it's weird, but a booger or, like, poop. Absolutely not.

[Fran]

Like, get that blood gore. Guys, your kid.

[Rhiann]

You're like, that's disgusting.

[Jenna Johnson]

Yeah. Literally.

[Callie]

Literally.

[Fran]

Wipe your nose, please.

[Jenna Johnson]

Please.

[Rhiann]

So you and Joey were one of our favorite pairings of all time. Like, we were voting religiously.

[Jenna Johnson]

You guys were so sweet.

[Rhiann]

We loved it, and we love that Joey just keeps coming back.

[Jenna Johnson]

I'm like, not Thinking of Dancing with the Stars.

[Bri]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

Can we get rid of this guy?

[Jenna Johnson]

I love that people, like fell in love with him. Yeah. On the Bachelor, obviously. But like, I think they really got to know him as well as a person on Dancing with Stars.

[Fran]

I think it's such a testament to the environment that you guys all create too, that so many stars, like, want. They're like, how can I stay involved in the show that they want to stay around? Which is so nice. But you've had so many now, like really iconic partners, you know, whether it was JoJo Siwa, Joey for these next few seasons, do you have anybody in mind? Anybody you've seen? You're like, ooh, I would love to get them as a partner.

[Jenna Johnson]

There's so many.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Jenna Johnson]

So so many. Mr. Fantasy is at the top of my list.

[Rhiann]

Wow. Listen, if Mr. Fantasy was on Dancing with the Stars at some point, does he drop the act? Like, at some point did we see KJ Apa come out and be like, nope, it's me.

[Jenna Johnson]

No, I'm going for Mr. Fantasy.

[Fran]

No, but you want him to be Mr. Fantasy.

[Rhiann]

Of course. And listen, he's a great dancer.

[Bri]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

He's got the moves, funky moves.

[Jenna Johnson]

He came to the show this season and it was just so fun to meet him. So I think that would be just absolutely epic. I think somebody from the Olympics would be iconic this next season. You know, I'm. I'm hopeful that they're gonna get a couple. I'd love to dance with Ilya. I think he has such a God.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Yep.

[Jenna Johnson]

He has a great story and I think he is just so talented. I have yet to have an NFL player and it sucks because again, the ones that are actually playing are in season during the time. So I'd love like a recently ret. Hired one.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

Like maybe like a Jason Kelsey.

[Jenna Johnson]

I've had him on the top of my list for a while as well. I think his personality would be so much fun and I think he would actually be low key. So good.

[Fran]

I think he would too.

[Jenna Johnson]

He would be that person that just picks it up.

[Rhiann]

Yes, I think he would. I think he would pick it up. And I think like some people just like.

[Fran]

I think he has natural rhythm. Like some people just have natural rhythm. I think he could figure it out.

[Jenna Johnson]

We all saw those videos from the Super Bowl. Exactly. He's got some moves in there.

[Callie]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

Freak flag fly. And it's just letting it out.

[Jenna Johnson]

And I love an unexpected person like Joey. I feel like was unexpected. Everyone thought he was going to be like, boring and not good and, like two left feet. And then every week, he just kept getting better.

[Fran]

Yeah, he kind of beat those. Like, the Bachelor are never really good kind of stereotypes because every time that, like, there's a bachelor that comes on, they do all right. Some have done better than others.

[Rhiann]

The bachelorettes are always good.

[Fran]

The bachelorettes always fabulous. They always out kick the bachelors, obviously.

[Jenna Johnson]

But then also, too, I think one of my most fulfilling seasons was with Jojo Siwa where there was a challenge. You know, it was different. It was the first time ever. And so if there were somebody that not was a challenge, but was just like a different unique situation, I would absolutely volunteer. Like, I want to do it. I want to be pushed. I want creatively, Like, I love that. So, yeah, that's kind of.

[Fran]

I'm excited for you. And I think, like. And I know that's obviously not necessarily on purpose, but I do think sometimes when someone has an amazing season, it, like flip flops goes back and forth, and then the next season is like, maybe they're not on for as long. I can't imagine, honestly, like, having winner after winner after winners. Probably exhausting, too.

[Jenna Johnson]

Yeah.

[Fran]

But not even, like, whatever. Making it, making a far. So I feel like this season, this next season, you deserve somebody fantastic.

[Jenna Johnson]

Thank you. I'm ready.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jenna Johnson]

I'm gonna be ready.

[Rhiann]

So we are always ready. And, you know, this season, you know, another one of our favorites was Alex and Val, and they were just so incredible week after week. And Robert and Whitney were so good. Like, that finale was just so tough.

[Jenna Johnson]

It was, like, insane.

[Fran]

Ugh.

[Rhiann]

It was amazing all around. This season was incredible. And now we have Dancing with the Stars con coming up in the summer, and we are excited about this. It was just announced. You gu Announce it on Good morning America. Can you tell us a little bit about this? Like, what we can expect from all of you? There's some great special guests. Yeah.

[Jenna Johnson]

So it's basically a weekend long experience. July 31st through August 2nd.

[Rhiann]

Yes.

[Jenna Johnson]

And it's going to be in Palm Springs. And I am actually really excited about this, selfishly, because a lot of my past partners are coming, and it is so wild that you share that this intimate, exhausting, insane experience with somebody for three months, and then you go about your lives and never really see each other ever again in that capacity.

[Fran]

Right.

[Jenna Johnson]

You remain friends and everything. But, like, I'm just so excited to have past celebrities come back, see them, maybe dance. Like, I know Jojo and I will be dancing. I think Joey And I will be dancing.

[Rhiann]

Oh, you know, Joey's gonna.

[Fran]

You know, Joey's gonna want to dance.

[Jenna Johnson]

But then also, like, I'm so excited to see Christina Yamaguchi. Like, I didn't get to meet her because I wasn't on. So, like, I want to see her freaking in person. I want to see her dance. I want to hear her on a panel, which I know that there's going to be. So there's two shows that are happening. There's going to be some live performances, there's panels. But also, I think something that's so special, we really felt the support of the fans the past two seasons. This is a fan experience. Like, if you haven't been able to come to a tour or you had but want to meet more people, more celebrities, have more of those intimate interactions, this is your place to do it.

[Rhiann]

Yeah. I think that's a great thing about a convention. And I feel like if somebody hasn't been to one, they don't realize that there is so much opportunity to meet people that you're a huge fan of. You know, like, other networks have done it for other shows, and there's other. Everyone's always in the space. Right. Like, the dancers could be walking by, and you're like, oh, my God, they're right there. And you would never think that you would. Would get to meet someone you're such a big fan of. So I do think it's an amazing experience.

[Jenna Johnson]

Except we haven't done this yet. You know, it's like, BravoCon's been happening. Why haven't we had our own. Like, let's get into it.

[Rhiann]

Yeah. And it's gonna be in a beautiful spot as well.

[Fran]

Yes. Yeah, that's definitely a nice added element. You're right. Cause I think, like. And it feels like it's all kind of happening at the right time, though, too. You've been celebrating just, like, massive milestones for the show. It's how many seasons and years and all these, you know, 20 years and all these things that you got guys have gotten to do. So it's like, it feels like a good time to commemorate all of. All of that as well. Like, we were at the 20th anniversary anniversary show, and that was even just so cool from where we were sitting looking, because so many pro stars were all there that have been on, and you're seeing them all sit around the ballroom, and just even from that, you're like, oh, duh. Like, put them all in a. Put them all at a convention.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Jenna Johnson]

Also, I think it will Be fun to, like. Like you're saying, have people from different seasons interact and be in the same shared space, you know, because you get to know the people from your specific season, but there's all these different connections, and to, like, see everyone in one place is going to be pretty awesome.

[Fran]

Definitely. Because I think it's cool, too, to get to see some of the X stars and stuff interact with other pros too. Cause you see when you watch a show, it's like you really see the star in the capacity of who they are partnered up with, and you don't really get to see them do much else. Which is why I always. I know was always never under, like, good circumstances. Cause it means somebody was hurt or sick or something. That when a. When a star would have to dance with a different pro and you'd be like, oh, not good, because something obviously bad has happened. But sometimes you'd get, like, incredible dances and you're like, oh, my God, that was so cool to see them.

[Rhiann]

Yes.

[Fran]

And they all have different. You all have relics, relationships with everybody. We see everybody every day.

[Jenna Johnson]

It's also fun because, yeah, we do get to get to know other people. Like, Danielle Fishel was one of my favorite people I've ever met. Nelly. Every Tuesday before results, he would let me try on his new Rolex that he wore for the show. It was like our ritual. He'd be like, here, try it. And I'd be like, oh, my God. So, like, there's just, like, so many special bonds as well. And I love that you've observed that, because we do get to interact not as much with just our partner, but you create special bonds together.

[Rhiann]

Especially, you know, the relay they did this season when we got to see the different pairings of, like, when Dylan Efron danced with Rumer Willis and everyone was like, oh, my God, they're incredible together. You know, two stars dancing together is. Is awesome. So I can't wait to see, you know, what comes from Dancing with the Stars Con. We're so excited.

[Fran]

I know it's gonna be. It's gonna be so much fun. So how are you? How do you prep for the rest of the rest of the tour? Like, where are you off to next?

[Jenna Johnson]

We head to Pennsylvania.

[Fran]

Okay.

[Jenna Johnson]

And then we're just making our rounds. We go to D.C. we're in Baltimore this week. We're all over.

[Rhiann]

Is the next show tomorrow or tonight?

[Jenna Johnson]

Tomorrow.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Fran]

I do have a day off.

[Rhiann]

I was gonna say one day off and you're here. I'm sorry.

[Jenna Johnson]

No, honestly, I'M actually so excited. Like, I really want to. Wanted to do this. So this is very fulfilling for my day off, but then I just want to run around New York City with my son and with Val, and we obviously. Val was so sweet for Valentine's Day. Like, he was very stressed that we had to work and we had a show day and there was a lot going on, and so he was like, we're gonna do a date night on our day off.

[Fran]

So, yeah.

[Jenna Johnson]

Find those human moments. And. Yeah, I love it.

[Rhiann]

Get some good food and just enjoy New York City. Love it.

[Fran]

I don't know why I'm, like, so fixated on waking up in another place. I'm like, wow. Obviously, it's planned so that you can make it in time to the next place in just an overnight. In one overnight drive.

[Jenna Johnson]

Yeah.

[Fran]

You all over.

[Jenna Johnson]

You go to sleep and you wake up and you're in a new state, a new city.

[Fran]

Do you ever get on stage and have to be like, someone remind me where we are?

[Jenna Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Thank goodness I am not Emma, because she has to welcome the city every day.

[Rhiann]

Right.

[Jenna Johnson]

So, yeah, I could not, because I'm even like, what day is it? Today is a Thursday. I have no idea.

[Rhiann]

So it is funny watching you guys on stage. I'm like, oh, we haven't. We haven't heard them talk. And I'm like, you know what? They're doing their thing up there.

[Jenna Johnson]

Yeah, they're dancing.

[Rhiann]

Yeah. I'm like, they're dancing. I miss hearing them talk.

[Fran]

Right, right, right.

[Callie]

So true.

[Fran]

It's like, how much can we ask, really?

[Rhiann]

Right, Exactly.

[Fran]

From a whole show. But this was so much fun. Thank you so much.

[Rhiann]

Thank you so much for making the time for us.

[Fran]

Enjoy the rest of your day off. Thanks. And we can't wait to see what Dancing with the Stars con comes out with. And obviously, whatever happens for the next season of the show, thank you. Who you get to be dancing with.

[Rhiann]

And we'll be following along on TikTok.

[Jenna Johnson]

Absolutely. Yes, yes.

[Rhiann]

But take the break as you need.

[Jenna Johnson]

Oh, no, no, no, no.

[Rhiann]

She's back.

[Jenna Johnson]

She's motivated.

[Rhiann]

She's motivated. But if you don't want to post, it's fine.

[Jenna Johnson]

I appreciate that.

[Rhiann]

You know what I mean?

[Jenna Johnson]

Thank you for that important understanding, like boundaries.

[Callie]

Yeah.

[Fran]

You know what? Just say back to them. You know what Rhea said. I don't have to post to that.

[Rhiann]

I'll be your social media manager. It's fine. She's taking the day off. Okay. Thank you so much, Jenna. Thank you, Jenna. Thanks Guys, if you're looking for a way to keep your hair fresh without having to wash it, maybe you got a fresh blowout for the week. You don't feel like washing your hair again, look to Batiste. It's the award winning number one dry shampoo brand, number one in the US and the world. It instantly refreshes your hair. It absorbs oil and grease for cleaner looking and feeling hair with added volume and texture. I love Batiste. I have Batiste with me in my bag in my home. I bring it to my friend's houses, and when I go to my friend's house, they already have it because everybody knows and loves Batiste. It's so simple to use and easy to refresh your hair in an instant. It's great on your hair, it's easy on your wallet, and you can get the blowout look without the blowout price. And it's a cult classic for. For a reason. And all hair types are welcome. So buy a Batiste dry shampoo online or in store at your nearest retailer. All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another game of Beatri and Fran. This is game number 208, and we are joined by Bri and Callie. They are friends and they are ready to challenge us.

[Fran]

Ready to go. How are you guys feeling?

[Rhiann]

Good.

[Bri]

I'm nervous, but I'm confident.

[Fran]

I love that. I love that. Gotta go with the comments. So it's 15 questions. If you get the question right, you get the point. If you get it wrong, the other team can steal the point. Whoever has the most points at the end wins. To determine who goes first, Noah's gonna give us a movie. We're gonna guess the Rotten Tomatoes critic score of the movie. Whoever is closest will go first. We each get our own individual guests, and we will alternate between teams for guesses. So, Noah, what is today's movie?

[Rhiann]

Movie?

[Callie]

Today's movie is Dear John.

[Fran]

Dear John. Okay, so one of you guys guess first.

[Bri]

I'm gonna go just 77. Zero.

[Fran]

Okay.

[Rhiann]

Okay. I'm gonna go 56. Okay.

[Bri]

I'll go 81.

[Fran]

I'm gonna say like. Like 32.

[Callie]

Fran's the closest. 28.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Bri]

Wow.

[Callie]

I've never seen it.

[Fran]

I haven't seen it in. In a lot. Like. So when it came out, I watched it often.

[Rhiann]

Me too.

[Fran]

But. But have not watched.

[Callie]

Kind of got since mixed up with the Notebook. I feel like.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Callie]

I mean, it's maybe similar.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

All right, Sparks. Now we'll be watching it in different light. Ever since Amanda Seifer Fred revealed that Chany peed on her.

[Callie]

Yeah. Okay, question number one to Re and Fran, shout out Caitlyn from Canton, Ohio. What is the name of Beyonce's first solo album?

[Rhiann]

B Day. Final answer.

[Callie]

Imprison.

[Fran]

I don't know. So I was gonna go off what you said.

[Bri]

I think there's one called four,

[Jenna Johnson]

and

[Bri]

then all the other ones I know are more newer. I think there's one called 4. B Day. It's not Sasha Fierce. No, because that was like middle school.

[Fran]

Does she have a self titled?

[Bri]

She does, but it's a later one. Okay. Oh, yeah. Okay. Should we just go with four? Sure. Four. Final answer incorrect.

[Callie]

Dangerously in love.

[Jenna Johnson]

Oh, duh.

[Rhiann]

Oh, I. I wouldn't have known that, honestly. Oh, me either. I. Yeah.

[Callie]

Yeah. All right, question number two to Brie and Cali, shout out Anna and baby Paige from. From Bradenton, Florida.

[Rhiann]

Nice.

[Callie]

In the song SOS by the Jonas Brothers, what do they say is overrated?

[Bri]

Conversation. Conversation. Yeah, conversation. Wait, wait. Try to think. Try to sing it in your head.

[Callie]

10 seconds.

[Bri]

Oh, my God. Why am I blanked? I thought hugs. Wait. Hugs are overrated. Hugs. Oh, yes, I think hugs. Final answer correct.

[Rhiann]

Nicely done at the buzzer there.

[Callie]

All right. One. Nothing. Brian Cali. Question number three to Re infrance, shout out Jordan from Chicago. Name the actor or actress in all of these films. Knocked up 17. Again. Big Daddy.

[Fran]

Knocked up 17. Kid being attacked. Daddy. Shoot. The problem is. What's the. What's the.

[Callie]

15 seconds.

[Fran]

Oh, oh, oh. Leslie Man.

[Rhiann]

Yeah, it's Leslie man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fran]

I got.

[Rhiann]

The whole time I couldn't think of Leslie Man's name.

[Fran]

I got caught up on the. On the friend.

[Rhiann]

Leslie Man.

[Fran]

Leslie Man. Final answer correct.

[Rhiann]

The whole time I'm seeing Leslie Man's face, and I was going to say. And I didn't want to say it out loud because, like, Judd Apatow's wife, like, and I don't want her blessing her to. That. She's Leslie Man. But I just was blanking on her name.

[Callie]

Okay, tied up at one. Question number four to Brie and Callie, shout out Kayla from Houston. What is the nickname that Sally gives Lightning McQueen in the movie Cars?

[Fran]

Another car.

[Rhiann]

Why do we have so many cars questions?

[Callie]

People love cars, apparently.

[Fran]

Another car question.

[Bri]

Have you seen this movie, like, a really long time ago? Kachow is just like, his motto, right?

[Jenna Johnson]

I don't know.

[Rhiann]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Bri]

Is it anything to do with, like, his color?

[Callie]

I don't know.

[Bri]

Big red? I don't know. I'm trying to think there's anything like Disney World that like, would tell me the answer? I don't know. Should we just go with like, kachow?

[Callie]

Three seconds.

[Rhiann]

Okay.

[Bri]

Kachow. Final answer incorrect.

[Rhiann]

I have no idea. No idea. We've, we've established we haven't seen cars.

[Fran]

Haven't seen cars. So any cars, Any cars questions?

[Rhiann]

We're not going to get them.

[Callie]

It's stickers. Because his headlights are stickers, not real headlights. I've never seen cars.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, okay, great.

[Callie]

Stop sending cars questions.

[Fran]

Let me tell you, by the time we may, we may be able to

[Rhiann]

piece the whole movie together with, with all the questions.

[Callie]

Okay, still tied up at one. Question number five to reinfranch. Gretchen from D.C. what state are all Nicholas Sparks books set in?

[Rhiann]

Oh, man. One of the Carolinas or South Carolina?

[Fran]

It's one of them.

[Rhiann]

It's one of the Carolinas.

[Fran]

North.

[Rhiann]

Yeah, I, I, I think north. Okay, Your gut's saying.

[Fran]

My gut is saying north.

[Rhiann]

Okay. Okay.

[Fran]

Is your God saying south?

[Rhiann]

No, no, it's one of the Carolinas. And I know that, but I'm thinking. Like, where was the. No, like I'm just, I think. Okay, I think north.

[Fran]

We're going North Carolina.

[Callie]

Correct.

[Rhiann]

Thank God. It just was tough and kind of. You know what I mean? Cuz if it's not that one, it's the other.

[Fran]

If it's not that, it's. It's south.

[Jenna Johnson]

So though.

[Callie]

All right, two, one. Ran. Frank Question number six to Brien C. Shout out Jordan from Chicago. Again, name this actress based on people who have played her love interest. Vince Vaughn, Mark Ruffalo, Chris Pine.

[Bri]

I don't think it wouldn't be Jennifer Aniston because I don't know if she had anything with Chris Pine. Could it be Scarlett Johansson? Oh, could it? I don't know. I can't picture her with Vince Vaughn though.

[Callie]

10 seconds.

[Bri]

Is anyone else coming to mind? Not really. Mark Ruffalo.

[Callie]

Like three seconds.

[Bri]

Okay. Scarlett Johansson. Final answer incorrect.

[Rhiann]

Isla Fisher. Oh, no, I was going Reese Witherspoon. Oh, okay. But no, I was just thinking Vince Vaughn and then who did. I think it's Reese Witherspoon.

[Fran]

What was the middle one? Mark Ruffalo.

[Callie]

Vince Vaughn. Mark Ruffalo.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Fran]

That's just like heaven.

[Rhiann]

Okay, sorry.

[Fran]

Yeah. Reese Witherspoon. Final answer correct.

[Callie]

Four Christmases. Just like heaven. This means war.

[Fran]

This means war.

[Callie]

All right, three, one. Rhea and Fran. Question. What?

[Rhiann]

I was just like, so confident. Was like Isla Fisher just said two

[Fran]

completely different names at the same time.

[Callie]

Okay, question number Seven to Rhea and Fran. Shout out Cali. No location. Mark Ballas has won.

[Rhiann]

Is it this? Callie? No, no.

[Callie]

Different spelling.

[Rhiann]

Okay. Okay.

[Callie]

Mark Ballas has won Dancing with the Stars three times. Name two of the celebrities that he has won one with.

[Rhiann]

Is this us?

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

Charlie d'.

[Callie]

Amelio.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

And.

[Fran]

Man. Struggling to remember the older ones. And we should know this.

[Callie]

10 seconds.

[Rhiann]

Was it five?

[Callie]

All right, time is up. Okay. Debris and Cali.

[Bri]

Definitely Charlie d'. Amelio.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Bri]

Did he win with Shawn Johnson? Oh, I feel like maybe. Were they together? I think. I think he won. They won together. But then when she went back for All Stars, she didn't win, I think. Okay, so go Charlie d' Amelio and Shawn Johnson.

[Callie]

Final answer correct.

[Fran]

I always think Sean was with Derek.

[Bri]

She was on the All Stars.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Callie]

Charlie was season 31. Shawn Johnson season eight, and then Christy Yamaguchi was season six.

[Fran]

Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Callie]

All right.

[Fran]

I kept thinking figure skate. Like, I was like, there's somebody that was in the. The skating world.

[Callie]

All right. Three, two, ran. Fran, question number eight to Brian Kelly.

[Fran]

Should do another All Star season.

[Callie]

They should shout out Carly from Bucks County, Pennsylvania. What TV show sparked the viral phrase. Chrissy, wake up.

[Bri]

Stranger things. Yeah.

[Callie]

It's to you guys.

[Bri]

Stranger Things. Stranger things.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Bri]

Final answer correct.

[Rhiann]

Sopranos. Chrissy, wake up.

[Callie]

I mean. Okay. Question number nine. Tied up at three. Is to reenfranch at Jordan from Chicago. Name this movie based on the IMDb description. A young widow discovers that her late husband has left her 10 messages intended to help ease her pain and stuff. Start a new life.

[Jenna Johnson]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Read that again.

[Callie]

A young widow discovers that her late husband has left her 10 messages intended to help her. To help ease her pain and start a new life.

[Rhiann]

No idea. I've never seen a movie like this.

[Callie]

Five seconds.

[Fran]

I feel like when I hear I'm gonna be mad. Young widow messages.

[Callie]

All right.

[Fran]

I don't know.

[Callie]

Eh. Debri and Kelly.

[Bri]

Darn. Is this P.S. i love you? I. I don't know. Let's go with that.

[Rhiann]

P.S.

[Bri]

i love you.

[Callie]

Final answer.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Callie]

Correct.

[Rhiann]

I have seen this movie.

[Bri]

Yes.

[Rhiann]

I said I ain't never seen a movie like this. I have.

[Fran]

I actually don't think I've seen P.S.

[Jenna Johnson]

i love you.

[Rhiann]

Really? It makes, like, I. You know, it makes you want to go to Ireland. Who's that? Because it is so beautiful in the movie.

[Callie]

Who's.

[Rhiann]

It's Hilary Swank.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

And Gerard Butler.

[Fran]

Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. I have not seen this.

[Callie]

Never. Never seen it. Either.

[Rhiann]

I actually used to watch it all the time.

[Callie]

Kathy Bates, Lisa Kudrow, Jeffrey Dean Morgan.

[Rhiann]

Is it not Gerard Butler?

[Callie]

No, it is Gerard Butler.

[Fran]

I was just named other people supporting Cat. He was naming supporting cast.

[Rhiann]

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[Callie]

Bri and Callie, I'm gonna play a movie clip and you tell me what movie it's from.

[Rhiann]

Comet. We felt we found a comet. They know what we're here to talk about, right?

[Callie]

Of course. Jack and Brie love doing science segments.

[Fran]

Just remember, keep it light, fun.

[Rhiann]

Jack and Brie love having a good time.

[Jenna Johnson]

That's not promising. You guys discovered a comet? That's so dope. I have a tattoo of a shooting star on my back.

[Callie]

That's terrific.

[Bri]

Okay, that was. Don't look up. Yes, I can remember the name, but the Leonardo DiCaprio one. Okay, so don't look up. Final answer correct.

[Callie]

Nice.

[Fran]

Putting Ariana in there is.

[Callie]

She's been in. It could have been wicked.

[Fran]

He certainly wasn't wicked.

[Callie]

All right, five, three. Brie and Cali, question number 11. I. I think you guys will get this one.

[Rhiann]

I hate when you do that.

[Jenna Johnson]

Don't say that.

[Fran]

Hate when you do that.

[Callie]

That shout out. Rachel from.

[Rhiann]

As a host, you should just, you

[Callie]

know, should be neutral.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Callie]

What is. This is Be and Fran, though. So.

[Fran]

Yes.

[Callie]

What is the prohibited cheerleading move called in the movie? Fire it up. Oh.

[Fran]

Oh.

[Rhiann]

Fountain of Troy.

[Fran]

Yep.

[Rhiann]

Fountain of Troy. Why are you staring?

[Callie]

I'm waiting for final, final answer. Yes.

[Jenna Johnson]

Yes.

[Callie]

Gotta say final answer.

[Fran]

Final answer. He looked at us like.

[Rhiann]

Actually, I wish everyone was able to

[Callie]

see that, because if I give you any. Like, you're gonna be like, you gave me a face. I gotta give it straight.

[Rhiann]

Sorry, I meant I'm waiting for final answer. Final answer.

[Callie]

All right.

[Fran]

Yes.

[Rhiann]

Okay. Jeffy Lowe.

[Callie]

There's no winning if I. If I. If I say yes. But then you don't say, yeah, you're right. The rules of the game.

[Jenna Johnson]

You're right.

[Rhiann]

Right.

[Fran]

You're right.

[Callie]

All right. Five, four. That's a compliment, by the way.

[Rhiann]

It is.

[Callie]

Five, four. Bri and Callie. And this is question number 12. To them, shout out Marina from Valencia, California, in Friends, who does Phoebe believe is her grandfather because of a framed photo in her grandmother's house?

[Rhiann]

Hmm.

[Bri]

Would it be like.

[Callie]

Like.

[Bri]

It wouldn't be like a president, would it? I was thinking a president or, like, Elvis or something. But I was seeing a president, too, so maybe we're on to something. I don't know, like Ronald Reagan.

[Jenna Johnson]

I don't know.

[Bri]

Five seconds. Elvis. Final answer.

[Callie]

Incorrect.

[Rhiann]

Don't look at me. I'm a fraud. I said it. I said. When I went to the Friends Experience,

[Fran]

I was at the Friend's Experience and everything. They didn't have the picture up on it?

[Rhiann]

I don't think so. I must have missed it if they did.

[Fran]

I have no clue. Just like an old actor. But he'd be a grandpa.

[Callie]

10 seconds.

[Rhiann]

I have no idea.

[Fran]

President's a good guess.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Jfk.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Fran]

A young JFK was your grandpa. I have no clue. That's our answer.

[Callie]

Incorrect. Albert Einstein.

[Fran]

Oh, scientist.

[Rhiann]

Kind of just named, like, old guy you think of.

[Fran]

Seriously?

[Callie]

Okay, still five, four.

[Fran]

Name someone old.

[Rhiann]

Alvarez Steel.

[Callie]

Five four. Brian Kelly. This is question number 13. To re and Fran, shout out Lizzie and Ren from College Station.

[Fran]

Hey, they're back.

[Callie]

They're back.

[Rhiann]

They're back.

[Callie]

We miss you guys in heated rivalry. What animal sound does Ilya mistakenly think is a wolf howling at the cottage?

[Fran]

It's a duck. Like, it's like a loon, right?

[Rhiann]

Yes, sure. I thought it was a bird.

[Fran]

Yeah, that's a bird. A loon is a bird.

[Rhiann]

Okay. You said duck.

[Fran]

Also a bird.

[Rhiann]

All right. You can see the confusion.

[Fran]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rhiann]

Okay.

[Fran]

A loon. Final answer, correct.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Callie]

If you had said duck, though, I would have said said wrong, Right?

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Callie]

Okay.

[Fran]

What about bird?

[Callie]

I think I'd still be like, you got to narrow it down.

[Fran]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Callie]

There's a lot of birds out there.

[Rhiann]

Fair.

[Fran]

Fair.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Callie]

All right. Five. Tied up at five. Two questions left. Question number 14 to Brienne C. Shout out Lizzie and Ren from College Station again in the Wizards of Waverly Place opening theme. Max turns the orange in his hand into what?

[Fran]

Wow, that's a deep cut.

[Bri]

I'm trying to envision. I know, like, he had maybe a basket. I feel like there's, like, a. Oh, you might be right.

[Jenna Johnson]

And then he spins it, maybe.

[Bri]

I think I might be making this all up. Is there anything else it could be? I don't think so. I was gonna say like an animal, but honestly, let's go with that.

[Fran]

Basketball.

[Rhiann]

Okay.

[Bri]

Basketball. Final answer, incorrect.

[Fran]

Oh, that sounded so good.

[Rhiann]

Like I was.

[Fran]

That's definitely right. I don't know.

[Rhiann]

A sandwich.

[Fran]

Orange becomes a. I don't know. Sandwich.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Fran]

Sandwich shop.

[Rhiann]

I. Yeah. I don't know.

[Fran]

But why does any. To use magic to get a sandwich.

[Rhiann]

He doesn't. A lizard. An amphibian.

[Callie]

Sure.

[Fran]

Maybe some sort of animal, some type of reptile. Yeah, Lizard.

[Rhiann]

I like lizard. All right. Lizard.

[Callie]

Final answer, incorrect. A cupcake.

[Rhiann]

Oh, just another food shit.

[Callie]

I think this is back to back games that you've said amphibian.

[Fran]

To be honest, it's the most she's ever said amphibian ever.

[Callie]

Did you just find that out?

[Fran]

No, she's just, like, really excited to talk about amphibious

[Jenna Johnson]

toads.

[Callie]

That was one of the craziest guesses ever. Really?

[Rhiann]

I don't think it was that crazy

[Callie]

of a guess if it was like, a shack by a swamp, maybe. I don't.

[Rhiann]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Callie]

All right, final question.

[Fran]

Oh, shit. Okay.

[Callie]

Tied up.

[Fran]

This is why I was afraid to

[Rhiann]

raise my hand in school.

[Fran]

Yeah.

[Callie]

Shout out Lauren from Indianapolis. And this is to reinstate Lauren. Which restaurant chain is featured multiple times in the 2011 Rom com? Something borrowed.

[Fran]

What restaurant chain?

[Rhiann]

I've seen this movie exactly one time.

[Fran]

I've seen it a lot.

[Rhiann]

Denny's.

[Fran]

That's a good guess. I'm in the, like, Applebee's

[Rhiann]

world.

[Fran]

GI Fridays.

[Rhiann]

Applebee's.

[Fran]

Applebee's was the first thing that popped

[Rhiann]

in my mind, so let's go with Applebee's Okay. Applebee's just seemed too obvious to me, but that might be it.

[Callie]

Time's up.

[Fran]

Final answer.

[Rhiann]

Applebee's.

[Callie]

Incorrect. Sabre and Kelly.

[Bri]

I don't know. Not good with the rom com moms. Does it take place in New York?

[Jenna Johnson]

I wonder.

[Callie]

True.

[Bri]

And, like, there's. There's like a TGI Fridays.

[Rhiann]

I don't know.

[Bri]

I feel like Olive Garden might be too. Themed.

[Rhiann]

Yeah.

[Bri]

Restaurant. Would it be like, fast food or. I think it sounds like it's a restaurant. So with TGI Fridays. Sure. Final answer.

[Callie]

Incorrect.

[Fran]

I was going to be. I was going to be furious if it was DJI Fridays.

[Callie]

Shake. Shake Shack.

[Fran]

Oh, wow.

[Rhiann]

Random.

[Fran]

Doesn't ring a single bell.

[Rhiann]

Not at all. Not at all.

[Fran]

Not at all. They go to Shake Shack in that movie, right?

[Rhiann]

I feel like Shake Shack came after that movie.

[Callie]

All right, overtime.

[Fran]

Oh, you know what?

[Callie]

Someone sent in as a voicemail as an idea. I don't know if we have to do this now, but that we should do it like NFL games that when we go to overtime, we do another Rotten Tomatoes score as, like, another coin flip for, like, who goes first.

[Fran]

That's not a bad idea.

[Callie]

Do we implement that or do we. We.

[Bri]

I'm down.

[Fran]

We could implement that.

[Rhiann]

Sure.

[Fran]

I like that idea. Start fresh.

[Callie]

Yeah. All right. I'll give you.

[Fran]

That was a Rotten Tomatoes pun.

[Callie]

Oh, I. I did not get that.

[Rhiann]

Fresh meter.

[Callie]

Yeah, the switch with Jennifer Anderson and Jason Bateman.

[Fran]

Okay. All right, so we'll go do the same order.

[Bri]

Gonna say 54.

[Callie]

That's it.

[Rhiann]

Wow,

[Callie]

that's crazy.

[Jenna Johnson]

Wow.

[Bri]

I've never even seen that movie, but

[Fran]

I tried real well. You know what? You guys get to go first and that. And you would have gone first anyway because that's. If we didn't implement this. This new role you guys would have got.

[Callie]

Okay, question number one just made it way cooler. Bri and Kelly, shout out Gretchen from dc. Which actress plays both Jenny and Forrest Gump and Buttercup in the Princess Bride?

[Bri]

What is her name? Robin Wright. Okay, final answer.

[Callie]

Correct.

[Fran]

Like, she just went.

[Jenna Johnson]

Okay.

[Fran]

Yeah, I'll take it.

[Callie]

All right, question number two. To Re and Fran, Shadow Abby from New York City, which actress is in the following movies? The big short. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. About Time.

[Fran]

I haven't seen any of these movies in a long time. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Actress.

[Callie]

Actress.

[Rhiann]

I'm more stuck on. I don't know about. About Time and the big short. What actresses are.

[Fran]

I can't remember.

[Rhiann]

Single actress or In About Time.

[Fran]

That's not Rachel McAdams.

[Rhiann]

That is Rachel McAdam. Dakota Fanning. Margaret Qualley. Sydney Sweeney.

[Fran]

I have no clue. Take a guess. Margaret Qualley. She'd be so young. Dakota Fanning.

[Rhiann]

Dakota Fanning.

[Callie]

Final answer incorrect.

[Bri]

Is it Margot Robbie? I know she was in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I don't. Yeah, I think it's Margot Robbie. All right. Final answer correct.

[Rhiann]

Oh, I went with the. I didn't say Margot Robbie because I thought it was just the obvious. Obvious. She's obviously in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, but she is in and about time. She plays Don Mall. Gleason's.

[Callie]

Yeah, that was like before she was big and then the big.

[Rhiann]

I don't remember her.

[Callie]

The big short. She was in one of those. Like, they cut to her and she's in the bathtub explaining, like, yep.

[Fran]

Oh, I didn't remember her in either of those movies.

[Rhiann]

Yeah, she just recently talked about it. About time. Because of Rachel McAdams.

[Fran]

Right, Sam?

[Rhiann]

You guys won. We should have seen the writing in the. In the stars. Rotten tomato score right there. Well, congratulations. You guys have officially beat us. And you get shirts that say you beat us. So just said, know your addresses, sizes, and we'll get that sent to you. And it was so nice meeting you guys and playing with you guys.

[Fran]

Thank you guys so much.

[Rhiann]

This was so. Thank you.

[Fran]

Thanks, guys.

[Bri]

Have a goodbye.

[Rhiann]

That wraps up today's episode of Chicks in the Office. Thank you so much for watching and listening. Reminder tour tickets are on sale. We want to see you there. We can't wait to hang out and remember to bring your signs. We love you. Have a wonderful weekend. We'll talk to you on Monday.

[Callie]

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[Rhiann]

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[Callie]

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[Fran]

you can find them at the gym

[Jenna Johnson]

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[Callie]

I know a show that you probably

[Rhiann]

want to listen to Turn the heat up turn the beat up record the pod made a bag put their feet up the ones that leave no crumbs

[Fran]

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[Rhiann]

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