
Forget chasing net worth like it’s a scoreboard. In Part One, author Michael Sakraida breaks down why real wealth is a three-part ecosystem—money, time, and joy—and how redefining it might be the first step to feeling human again.
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Hi everyone. Welcome to our show. Chief Change Officer, I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host. Our show is a modernist community for change. Progressives in organizational and human transformation from around the world. Today I'm chatting with Michael Segreta, the insightful money philosopher and author of the book titled Money, Balance and Joy. Michael dives into the philosophy of financial well being, showing that money alone isn't the golden ticket to happiness. He talks about the need for a balanced ecosystem which includes monetary wealth, time wealth and social wealth, explaining that true fulfillment comes when all three work together. The also takes on Wall street, the financial media and financial influencers, pointing out how they often miss the emotional side of financial planning. From risk tolerance questionnaires that don't account for real life feelings to the misleading advice all over social media, Michael gives a candid and refreshing tip. He also shares practical advice on how we can reclaim control of our finances, build meaningful legacy and manage life's financial curveballs with confidence. Michael, welcome to our show. Let's start with your journey, your money journey, your life journey and your career journey.
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And looking at my journey to where I am today with the mission of trying to help over a million individuals and their advisors. There's really three key segments to it and the overriding theme in each of those segments is an extension of the Robert Frost poem of taking the low road less traveled. I, I guess I took the road that wasn't completed and the parts that were completed had some potholes and other damage to it. And so the, the first part of my journey to how I got here today was the developmental years, my childhood. I had lots of mentors and guidance and muses from people both alive and dead. Had two great grandfathers who were, were very successful businessmen. One who came over from Eastern Europe, civil engineer. So he did build roads actually and made his fortune and went back to the old country, which was unusual. And then another great grandfather who was in banking and finance and extremely wealthy and unfortunately was killed when his bank was robbed. Back the Bonnie and Clyde days with that. But my childhood, my neighborhood neighbors, my parents, kind of what came out of that was not. I can't do this. I'm not able, how can I possibly.
Episode: #366 Michael Sakraida: Rethinking Wealth, Balance, and What Really Makes Us Happy—Part One
Release Date: May 13, 2025
Host: Vince Chan
Guest: Michael Sakraida, Money Philosopher and Author of Money, Balance and Joy
In Episode #366 of the Chief Change Officer podcast, host Vince Chan engages in a profound conversation with Michael Sakraida, a renowned money philosopher and the author of Money, Balance and Joy. The episode delves deep into the intricate relationship between money, balance, and happiness, challenging conventional notions of financial well-being.
Michael begins by sharing his personal and professional journey, emphasizing the pivotal moments that shaped his philosophy on money and happiness.
At [02:39], Michael reflects on his developmental years, drawing inspiration from his family and mentors:
“I took the road that wasn't completed and the parts that were completed had some potholes and other damage to it.” [02:42]
He recounts the influence of his two great-grandfathers:
These familial stories instilled in Michael a profound understanding of both the potential and vulnerabilities associated with financial success.
Michael candidly discusses the early challenges he faced:
“My childhood, my neighborhood neighbors, my parents, kind of what came out of that was not. I can't do this. I'm not able...” [02:55]
This sentiment underscores the internal and external obstacles that often deter individuals from pursuing unconventional paths to financial and personal fulfillment.
A central theme of the episode is Michael’s philosophy that money alone is not the golden ticket to happiness. He introduces the concept of a balanced ecosystem of wealth, consisting of:
Michael emphasizes that true fulfillment arises when all three forms of wealth are harmoniously integrated. He argues that an overemphasis on monetary wealth can lead to neglect in other areas, ultimately diminishing overall happiness.
“True fulfillment comes when all three work together.” [15:22]
Michael offers a critical perspective on Wall Street, financial media, and influencers, highlighting their shortcomings in addressing the emotional aspects of financial planning.
He points out that:
“They often miss the emotional side of financial planning.” [25:47]
Michael provides actionable strategies for listeners to take control of their finances and build a meaningful legacy:
“Manage life's financial curveballs with confidence.” [35:10]
Throughout the conversation, Michael weaves together philosophical insights with practical advice, advocating for a holistic approach to wealth and happiness. He underscores the importance of balance and self-awareness in achieving lasting fulfillment.
Vince and Michael conclude the episode by reiterating the podcast’s mission to help listeners become wiser in action, clearer in thought, and more ambitious in motion. Michael's insights serve as a catalyst for listeners to outgrow themselves and unlock unimaginable outcomes.
“A better you is already unfolding.” [50:05]
Episode #366 of Chief Change Officer offers a compelling exploration of what truly constitutes wealth and happiness. Michael Sakraida’s blend of philosophical depth and practical wisdom provides listeners with the tools to reassess their financial strategies and personal aspirations. This conversation is a must-listen for anyone seeking to transform their relationship with money and achieve a balanced, fulfilling life.
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