Vince Chen (9:04)

You mentioned clarity and how is so important, especially for leaders and CEOs. But you also brought up interference, which is the enemy of clarity. Now, speaking of that, you have another venture called Life Pills. You told me it has grown so fast, you actually had to slow it down a bit. Tell us more about what Life Peels is all about and how it connects with seg. How do you blend those two approaches together?

Sandy Gogaard (9:46)

Absolutely. And the thing about those titles that makes it very difficult is with those people are wrapped up in the identity of being a CEO. So now they have more pressure from the outside for what they think they should be doing because they have a certain title that creates even more havoc. I would almost be a huge fan that we just do away with all titles and just let natural hierarchy take its course. But that's probably for a way different time. So Life Peels is something I'm incredibly passionate about. And it's. It comes from what I just described, which is the idea that most of the time we're in our own way. So the biggest amount, the biggest space between me and where I ultimately want to be in life is me. It's the things I'm doing with, the way I think, the way I feel, which causes me to do the things, the actions, which create patterns. And those patterns create exactly what I see, the result. So if I'm unwilling, what that tells me then is the interference between where I'm at and where I want to be is really the sum of all my patterns. So I have to change and rewire how I think, how I feel, how I act. So I have new patterns that create a totally different outcome. So Life Peels comes from the story of the statue of David. So in Florence, it's widely regarded as the most beautiful statue in the world. But what I didn't realize is that was originally commissioned by several artists before Michelangelo. It was this chunk of marble that they brought in from the mountains in northern Italy, and it sat in Florence for over 40 years. They kept bringing artists in to look at it, and all the artists said, it's not good. I can't work with this. It's old. It's not the right quality. I can't work with it. So for 40 years, it sat out in the elements. Michelangelo came along at 21 or 22, his early 20s, and he said, I'd like to take a shot at it. And I said, be our guest. No one else has been able to do anything with it. So he slowly started working with it. A couple years later, he unveiled it, and what now many describe as the most beautiful statue ever created. A lady came up to him and said, that's the most amazing thing I've ever seen. How did you create it? And his response, famously, was, I didn't create it. It was in there the whole time. I just had to strip away the layers to let it come out. And so I believe inside of all of us, that's a huge metaphor. We all have maybe a shell, usually for 40 years, where people have told us, you're not good enough. We can't do anything with you. And then it's up to us to recognize inside. At our core is this beautiful, amazing being that we have to let come out. And that starts by stripping away layers of life that we've accumulated. And the more we strip away, the more a beautiful, amazing human will emerge, which is our true selves, where we can go and accomplish great things. So Life Peels is all about helping people identify where they're at, where they want to go. And helping them rewire and do it in a way that's completely cost effective, because everyone needs this, not just the rich. So I want to make it where everybody can tap into this. Regardless of who you are, where you're from, whatever your background is, you can tap into your own true self and become your own best coach with the help of a tool like lifepeals, an app on your phone. And we're trying to distinguish a way to help you measure it. Because, Vince, as we all know, we live in a world that's after fast results. So we often create these grand illusions of how much change we could create in one year, which we always overestimate. We think that we're capable of way more change in a short period of time, but we significantly underestimate the power of what we could do over three years if we just committed to doing small things. So most people get somewhere less than a year in, they realize they didn't, they're falling short, so they quit. So we want to build in a measuring tool that helps you see how your light trajectory is changing so that, oh, I'm making small incremental changes, but I'm compounding those results 1% every day, which maybe over a year isn't a big deal, but over three years, you're going to become unrecognizable and become more than what you could have ever imagined. The key is sticking to it. And that's what we have to help people understand, is the power of those small changes, positive changes, how they accumulate over time, how they create better karma and change your patterns. And as you change your patterns, you significantly change your expected results. And that's how you rewire yourself to create, manifest whatever it is you want in your life. Then it brings you back to the really important question, which is once someone understands exact that they have the power to create exactly what they want, is rethinking the question, are you really sure that's what you want?

Vince Chen (15:15)

Yes.

Sandy Gogaard (15:16)

You start to go back to a more primitive discussion of God. I don't know why I'm chasing money. Why is money so important? My health is the most important thing to me. 30 years was so willing to sacrifice my health for money. It's very strange. If you look at just Steve Jobs, how much money would he have paid his life another 30 years?

Vince Chen (15:40)

Yeah.

Sandy Gogaard (15:41)

And that's where you realize, being, becoming aware, removing the interference, you pay attention to things like that and you go, I don't want to be Steve Jobs anymore. I thought I did, but I don't I want to be a really healthy, clear thinking, high vibrational person that helps everyone enjoy their time on Earth. That's what I want first and foremost. If money comes, great.

Vince Chen (16:08)

You mentioned the earth being like Disneyland. I love that idea. I love that image. I actually started thinking, when was the last time I went to Disneyland? I think it was Tokyo. And I must say Tokyo Disney is honestly better than the ones in the US Every time I'm there, I feel pure joy. Trying out the food, walking around, being silly, checking out souvenirs for that one day. It really does feel like a playground. But of course, once you leave, reality hits again. There's life, work, stress, but the way you put it, what if the whole world is Disneyland? That mindset alone already opens things up, even before finding clarity. If we see life as a playground, it changes everything. We are more open, more alive. You also talk about live pills. Is that a product? An app? Would love to hear more about what it actually looks like or how it works.

Sandy Gogaard (17:39)

It's an app that will help you identify key moments in your day where you are inspired, where you're super present, as well as times in the day when you weren't very present. And it help you create more awareness with the things that you love to do because they're not always so apparent. Things that take you off of being aware. You can start to get more in tune then you. Then I'll have some planning tools that help you identify where you want to go or where you think you want to go. It'll write help you identify what the interference is and start to just slowly work at peeling back the layers so you can let your best self emerge. And you'll have your own dashboard so you can see over time. Three months ago, here's where I was and now I'm vibrating at a much higher level. I'm enjoying life and I can see where my trajectory. I'm on a crash course with making my life Disneyland all the time, right? Yes. Because what's so amazing and this just happens as you're going through the process, you really do reach a point. Like when I started, for example, I thought maybe all this was just a mind trick. You're just learning to tell yourself different things. How great could it really be? I can tell you right now, every morning I wake up, I'm like giddy with the idea that there is oxygen waiting to be breathed in. It's amazing. And I think how often have I ever thought about and appreciated that miracle that when I wake up there's oxygen Just hanging around my lips waiting to be breathed in, which gives me more life and then how much more I appreciate every breath, which takes me down this whole other rabbit hole of life experience, which is not to waste a single breath. If you look in nature, animals that breathe slower live longer. So a tortoise lived far longer than a hummingbird. So the faster we're going, the harder we're trying, the more stressed out we're becoming, the more we're shortening our own life. Just learn to take it easy, get clear, build clarity. It doesn't have to happen all in one day. And then you'll slowly watch your whole Life do a 180 and then just spiral up into this amazing like thing of energy where you have all this stuff working for you, nothing working against you, and you'll just see all these amazing miracles happening for you. All we have to do is strip away the things that are interfering and allow it to happen. We're not in charge as much as we think, like just let you know. It's like a light and energy just happens. We don't force it down the wire so that it illuminates the room. It just happens. But as humans, we've thought that we're here for a certain purpose. Like I was sent here to be the best insurance salesman of my company. No, you weren't. Nobody was sitting here to be an insurance salesman. No one was sent here. We've made all these other things up. You were sent here to be in tune with nature, realize that we're all the same, we're all from the same source of energy, we're all one. But we're all have the ability to help each other and just be. And then in that, be productive, be positive, be. Be somebody who lives in abundance where you're helping everybody. Not in scarcity, where you think you have to get your fair share. Someone else is going to take it and allow an amazing life to just happen. And that's where that real stretch but in between the ears comes where you say, yeah, but how when I have a mortgage, how when I have a car payment, when I know that I want nice things. And that's what I'm looking forward to understanding even better and being able to bring back to people as a guide to help people. See as I went through it, what's it like? Can you really do this? And what things do you really need to be aware of? Because right now it just sounds too simple. It sounds so simple that people won't do it because you get so afraid, so fearful of what might happen to you, that you jump off that bell curve really early and you're like, I gotta go make it happen. There's no way the universe is gonna allow great things to happen for me. I have to go do it. So, you know, that's again, what I've dedicated and devoted myself to, is finding out that path.

Vince Chen (22:36)

I can tell you this, I think I'm right in the middle of that process. 2025 has already brought a lot of changes for me, and things are still moving. It's all unfolding as I go.

Sandy Gogaard (22:55)

The fact that you're doing it means you're in it like you are being. Just keep being and you go. You just allow more and more great things to happen. I 100% agree with you and I can't wait to hear because you're clearly tuning in to how much is waiting for you.

Vince Chen (23:17)

So far, we've talked a lot about your career, leadership, everything on the corporate side. But one key part of life is our personal journey. You are now running two ventures, you have two sons who are grown, and you are starting to focus more on yourself. For many people, that kind of life transition can be tough. Some call this the empty nest phase. I actually interviewed another guest, a mother who shared her own story about of navigating that chapter. Now I love to hear yours. You are a father, your kids have grown up and moved on, and it's just you and your wife at home. How have you embraced this new stage of life? And how have you blended that shift with the same mindset as you've applied to your work and leadership?

Sandy Gogaard (24:33)

Yeah, so I think for me, my 25 years of raising kids was all about my kids. I made it about them. I wanted to be the CEO, the senior vice president, making good money for them. That's what I felt was my purpose. When they got out of the house, they went on to great colleges, they had great experiences, they're debt free, got good jobs. At that point in time, what this is when I think it's so critical that your awareness is there, because I realized now is a great time to think about yourself. You on this playground have only a certain number of days left. So how can you make the most of them? And I start by doing quick, easy. It wasn't easy at the beginning, daily meditation to just start quieting my mind. And by quieting your mind in the beginning, it's really about paying attention to the thoughts that you have in your head. So I started paying attention to the thoughts in my Head I couldn't believe, like, how negative they were, how much I felt like the world was holding me back, how I was now becoming older and starting to create doubts about what could you do? Post 50, what would anyone pay you to do? Starting to pay attention to these things. And I started to realize too, I wasn't really doing all the things I love to do. And then as I started working through those things over a couple of years, I started to recognize there was some underlying tension that I had never really paid attention to, my wife had never really paid attention to. But we, because we were cleaning our energy and not looking at shaming or figuring out whose fault it was, we started to have discussions about are you really living your best life? And started to explore some conversations and subjects that would have been very uncomfortable before. And we started to realize that we weren't. We were. We were suppressing what our real feelings were for life, for each other, for ourselves. To fit a construct of a successful marriage, which by our own definition was, if you stay married, it's successful, if you don't, it's unsuccessful. Of course, you have to sacrifice and figure out how to make it successful. So we just gave each other permission. We just said, what if. We just said, divorce is an option, doesn't mean it's a failure, but let's just not live our life as a. As our purpose is to not make something happen. What if you, my wife, who is an amazing person, like very fit, healthy, gorgeous, model, kind, like it's everything you think that you would want? I just said, what if you lived exactly the way you want to live, just the things that you want to do, the things you feel like you're here to do, I'll do the same and we'll just see. Does that bring us closer together or help us recognize maybe we can support each other better by being a part, and through that, by giving ourselves that permission to be ourselves, let our truest self emerge. We both came to the conclusion, with the help also of an energy healer who was helping us understand what was going on, that we were better off and we were going to be more able to support each other. Which is really, when you think about it, it's like the ultimate definition of unconditional love is loving someone unconditionally. If it's better for you to go on your own and explore the world, then I'm here for you. I'm here for that. I can support you in that effort. And I too, owe it to myself to support myself and love myself enough to let my best version emerge. And just because that, that we're concluding doesn't mean that we're going to stay together. That doesn't mean it's a failure. That means in my mind now, it's an even greater success because I'm not requiring you to stick around, bury some things that you would really prefer come out in the rest of your life because of me. I don't want to be that burden. I want to support you. I want to be your biggest cheerleader. And if I can do that, to me, is the best form of unconditional love. Same with for myself. Dare to love yourself enough that you actually pay attention to these things, and then you go and track your next opportunities and really experience your life. So one of the things that we found out, because this can be very confusing to your listeners, our energies are pointed in very different directions. So my wife is an empath. She takes on people's energy, and her energy in life is wanting to simplify and get things very peaceful. My energy is very big. I want to go on and figure this thing out. I want to share it with people. I want to tour the world. I want to do big things. Those energies are very hard to coexist. And I. What I realized is she takes on the burden of my big energy, which is suffocating to her. The more I'm trying to be who I want to be, the more I feel like her energy is trying to pull me back and say, hey, quiet down. Which feels like, oh, you're not supporting me. And then I'm trying to say, why don't you amp it up? Let's get going. And then you realize that's where that underlying tension is coming from. And when you realize it and understand it energetically, not in your mind, has a hard time making sense of it because you're trying to think, how do I keep this together? My job as a father, as a husband, is to make this work. When I was able to step back from it and look at it energetically, I could see my job is to cut her free. She wants to be pulled in this. She wants this beautiful, kind of serene life that I'm not going to be able to give to her unless I sacrifice everything I want just to help make that happen. And then I know that I would end up with regret pointed towards her if I allowed that to happen. So that's when it became really obvious that we could support each other, be there for each other, go on and live separate lives from here forward, not regret any of the time we've spent together. In fact, appreciate it even more and then support each other in allowing each other to go where life is taking us.

Vince Chen (31:58)

Wow. That was part philosophical, part rational, but also deeply sentimental. You walked me through that thought process so smoothly in just five to eight minutes. But I can tell that what you and your wife have gone through runs much deeper. All the conversations, the reflection, there's so much care behind it. What really struck me is how it's not just about love for each other, but also self love. There's emotion, affection, and clarity all working together. It's self thoughtful, is grounded, and honestly, if we were to put it in a corporate setting, I call that true Walk the walk, talk to talk, leadership.

Sandy Gogaard (33:00)

Yeah, that's right. That's right. I think all of it boils down to, again, being able to listen to yourself, what's going on, and allow yourself to feel. And I think for most men, you ask the question of, you know, going into empty nesting for men and women. Let's allow yourself to feel. What am I feeling? Is it fear? Is it like joy? Is it anxiety? And then I can start to distance myself by saying, I'm not the thought, I'm the person having the thought. And when you realize the separation and the distance between the two, then you realize you don't have to be the anxiety that you're feeling. You're just a person feeling and thinking with anxiety. And then you can start dealing with it. Then it allows you to be in touch and in tune and then get it more in touch. And then you start giving yourself permission to love yourself. And I think we're, as a society, we have it all backwards. We want to help everybody else, right? We feel like, oh, my purpose is to help everyone. Our purpose is to help ourselves. If we all helped ourselves, we would all get along amazingly. But it's, oh, I'll help you because you have so many problems. No, help yourself, get rid of all of your own issues, be the best version of yourself. And we would all get along amazingly. And that's where I feel like we owe it to ourselves to selfishly let ourselves live our best lives with compassion, with love, joy, gratitude, but mainly towards ourselves. Give ourselves some grace. Understand that if I just do, if I show up every day, an amazing life is going to unfold. I don't have to compete. I don't have to worry about. Maybe Vince is getting there faster than I am. Man, he's already one year into his podcast. I got to hurry and catch up. Maybe I'm not meant to have a podcast. Maybe I just have to listen to where I'm inspired and then I'll do my amazing thing. You do your amazing thing. We can high five in the middle and support each other. And that's like that abundance mindset coming to life. And I think that's where I see the world. I have amazing hope for the world. But we have to get there one individual at a time. We could all get there quickly, but we have to do it ourselves, not put the onus on everyone else.

Vince Chen (35:37)

There's so much we've unpacked today. If we go full circle back to some of the early points you raised, such as career, climbing, marriage, what society calls success, it all comes down to conditioning. We are all conditioned, no matter where we are from. You said you were raised Catholic. I wasn't. But still, I was taught girls aren't good at math, and I believed it. That's why I gave up my dream of becoming a medical doctor. Science needs mathematics, and I thought I couldn't do it. So I chose the arts and the humanities, economics, accounting. But later, in business school, I majored in finance, and I realized I'm very good at math. So, yes, conditioning runs deep. We are taught that staying married equals success, but we don't know what goes behind closed doors. Sometimes that perfect marriage is just a facade, and that applies to so many parts of life. What you think about unlearning really hit me. We have to unlearn the old rules, reconnect with ourselves. That might sound selfish, but it's not. When we truly care for ourselves, we show up better for others. And that's how we make the world just a bit closer to Disneyland.

Sandy Gogaard (37:38)

Yeah. And the thing is, one of the common threads of everything you're talking about, whether it's marriage, whether it's work is deep, is truly detaching from the outcome that we think needs to take place for this to be successful. When I define a certain outcome and I become so rigid about that outcome, I'll stop being my true self. If you think of a marriage, I think the outcome has to be that we stay together. Well, I might avoid bringing up a tough conversation. I might avoid telling someone how I really feel. I might start to not pay attention to how I really feel and just shuffle along. And before you know it, two people are together for 30, 40, 50 years, and they just hold the newspaper up, don't talk to each other, but they're together. And so when we're attached to certain outcomes, it really dictates what we're willing to do and unwilling to do. And I think it's just detaching from the outcome and saying let's listen to our life energy, let's find out what makes us passionate, let's experiment a little and do it with responsibility, do it in a responsible way, be nice to people. But you start to realize like how grateful you are to have what you have. I'm not missing all these things. I actually have an amazing life. I have enough. You start realizing like all these things that have been tricking you into thinking you don't have enough, you've got to chase, you've got to do. If you're not busy, you're not successful, you're not worthy, all that starts to unpack and you go, man, life is a pretty amazing thing. I wonder how many people I could help. I know that I'm not going to be available to them the way I could be if I don't help myself first. Let me start with me. I'll be the best version of myself. Then I'll make myself available to everybody else. If we all did that be an unbelievable place. If any part of this episode as people are watching speaks to them and they want to go deeper, like just write it down and they can always reach out to me@sandygolgaard.com because that's your energy telling you, hey, there's something here for me to explore. So like I think back, I could go deeper on every one of these topics from how I got into energy to so many things. And so if anyone's curious or they want to know more and there's a specific part that speaks to them, I'm a huge believer. That's your intuition telling you there's something there for you. Reach in, explore that further. Don't be attached to the outcome to see where it goes, but they can reach out, find me. Or if enough people reach back out to you and we want to do this all over again and go deeper on some subjects, I'm here for that as well.

Vince Chen (40:44)

And that's the end for our two part series. Sandy's story reminds us that growth isn't about more, it's about less. Less pressure, less noise, less pretending the real work is peeling back what's not you until what's left finally is. Thank you so much for joining us today. If you like what you heard, don't forget, subscribe to our show, leave us top rated reviews, check out our website and follow me on social media. I'm this Chen, your ambitious human host. Until next time. Take care.