Hong Kong’s May Yeung: Creating Art’s Brightest Magic from Life’s Deepest Struggles

Summary

Chief Change Officer Podcast Summary

Episode Title: Hong Kong’s May Yeung: Creating Art’s Brightest Magic from Life’s Deepest Struggles
Host: Vince Chan
Release Date: December 16, 2024

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Introduction

In this episode of Chief Change Officer, host Vince Chan welcomes May Yeung, a multifaceted individual from Hong Kong. May is the founder of the charity Art of My Family, a teaching artist, a cancer survivor, a dedicated mother, and the wife of one of Vince’s good friends. The episode delves into May’s journey of utilizing art to foster environmental sustainability, mental health, and social inclusion in Hong Kong.

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May’s Background and Artistic Journey

[04:24] Mei: May introduces herself as a teaching artist and the founder of Art of My Family, a charity focused on organizing community art events with sustainability elements.

Early Passion for Art:

• [05:15] Mei: "Growing up, I've always really enjoyed art more than anything else... Art really came naturally to me."
• From a young age, May engaged in various art forms, including drawing, photo origami, and ceramics, which strengthened her bond with her parents and solidified her passion for art.

Educational Pursuits:

• Attended the University of Chicago where she majored in visual art and also pursued political science.
• Influenced by Professor Jeff Oppenheimer, whose lecture on integrating art into daily life shaped May’s artistic philosophy.

Integration of Music and Art:

• [08:16] Mei: May highlights the significant role of music in her art, having received musical education and awards in piano performance.
• Created sculptures and directed performances that blend visual art with musical elements, aiming to calm minds and encourage reflection.

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Transition from Corporate to Art

Corporate Experience:

• May held positions in investment banking and worked in the CSR/ESG space within a tech company.
• [11:20] Mei: "My transition from finance to startup and into art was a kind of gradual realization of my calling in life."

Impact of CSR Initiatives:

• Worked on community relief efforts for Hurricane Sandy while at Goldman Sachs, which inspired her to focus on social impact through art.
• Launched food recovery programs and provided free meals for the community, reinforcing her commitment to using art for social good.

Founding Art of My Family:

• Dedicated her career to providing creative opportunities for underprivileged youth in Hong Kong, emphasizing values like affirmation, resilience, and faithfulness.

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Personal Challenges and Growth Through Cancer

Cancer Diagnosis and Transformation:

• [13:18] Vince Chen: Vince inquires about how battling cancer impacted May.
• [14:18] Mei: "My cancer, my fight with cancer really gave me a new perspective on life. I transform into someone who really places emphasis on faith."

New Perspective on Life:

• Shifted from a perfectionist mindset to embracing imperfections and celebrating small joys.
• Developed a greater sense of conviction to serve the underprivileged and prioritize mental and physical health.

Life Lessons:

• Emphasized the importance of resilience, faith, and perseverance in both personal and professional realms.

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Motherhood and Its Influence on Art

Welcoming Motherhood:

• May shares her experiences of becoming a mother and how it inspired her artistic endeavors.
• [18:24] Mei: "From my pregnancy to the birth of my son Archer, that's when I realized that my work should be created with the goal of enriching the next generation."

Artistic Inspiration:

• Created pieces like "Leap of Faith" and the largest handmade bamboo steamer to symbolize growth, cultural heritage, and the nurturing of the next generation.
• [19:49] Mei: "I really hope that he could aspire to be like the artist Marc Chagall... who managed to get through challenges and become celebrated."

Intergenerational Care:

• Focuses on creating art that fosters intergenerational connections and supports underprivileged youth.

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Art of My Family Charity

Mission and Goals:

• [24:26] Vince Chen: Vince highlights the charity’s goals, including making art accessible, promoting social inclusion, fostering cultural exchange, strengthening mental wellness, and championing environmental protection.
• [29:46] Mei: Emphasizes the expansion of programs like Artsy Artist Scheme in collaboration with various universities to nurture creative talents.

Key Programs:

1. Artsy Artist Scheme: Partners with educational institutions to nurture the next generation of artists.
2. Hearts at Home Program: Focuses on strengthening mental wellness for children with disabilities and those lacking family care.
3. Environmental Initiatives: Projects like recycling seashells into artwork and promoting sustainable seafood.

Impact and Future Goals:

• May assesses progress by the growth and expansion of the charity’s programs.
• Aims to integrate art into societal well-being and mental health support, especially post-COVID.

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Impact of COVID and Mental Wellness

Mental Health Advocacy:

• [32:42] Vince Chen: Discusses the importance of mental wellness in the face of global challenges like COVID-19.
• [29:46] Mei: Highlights the Hearts at Home Program aimed at improving mental health for children and youth in Hong Kong.

Early Intervention:

• Recognizes that mental health issues often trace back to childhood experiences.
• [32:42] Mei: "We help to integrate them into society and walk out from the shadow of family negligence."

Global Perspective:

• Acknowledges projections by the World Economic Forum on the rise of mental health conditions.
• Emphasizes the role of art in mitigating mental health challenges.

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Balancing Roles and Life Mission

Balancing Multiple Roles:

• [35:27] Mei: Discusses managing roles as a charity founder, mother, teaching artist, and maintaining personal health.
• Utilizes structured approaches like co-design, co-create, and co-learn to manage responsibilities.

Life Mission:

• [35:27] Mei: "My life mission is to inspire the next generation of artists and art educators."
• Focuses on leveraging her professional experiences to bridge creative processes with art-based learning.
• Aims to diversify the creator community and foster an environment of creativity, dialogue, and growth.

Future Aspirations:

• Continue expanding Art of My Family’s programs to more educational institutions.
• Develop specialized curriculums to engage diverse and underprivileged groups.
• Strengthen intergenerational and cross-cultural artistic collaborations.

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Conclusion

In this compelling episode, May Yeung shares her transformative journey from a corporate professional to a dedicated teaching artist and charity founder. Her resilience in overcoming personal health challenges and her commitment to using art as a tool for social change and mental wellness in Hong Kong provide inspiring insights into harnessing change as a superpower. May’s life mission to nurture the next generation of artists and foster inclusive, sustainable communities embodies the essence of what it means to be a Chief Change Officer.

Notable Quotes:

• Mei at [14:18]: "My cancer, my fight with cancer really gave me a new perspective on life."
• Mei at [35:27]: "My life mission is to inspire the next generation of artists and art educators."
• Vince Chen at [32:42]: "Wellness is crucial for everyone, from the elderly to the children who are the pillars of our future society."

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Transcript

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[Mei]

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[Vince Chen]

Hi everyone. Welcome to our show. Chief Change Officer, I'm Vince Chen, your ambitious human host. I'll show is a modernist community for change, progressives in organizational and human transformation from around the world. I started this show in Hong Kong and I run the show in Hong Kong. I'm originally from Hong Kong, talking to guests from every corner of the world possible. Yet so far I haven't interviewed any guest from right here in Hong Kong. Today that changes. I'm excited to bring a local guest to the studio. May y founder of the charity Art of My Family, a teaching artist, a cancer survivor, a mother to A really cool boy and the wife of another, Vince, who happens to be a good friend of mine. Mei has experienced many life changes over the years. She's determined to use the power of art in her own way to change lives and create an environmentally sustainable, mentally healthy and socially inclusive society here in Hong Kong. Hong Kong is not just about business, finance and money. May has chosen a different path to do well and to do good. And as a side note, we've got our youngest guest ever, Mei's 11 month old son joining us on the show. So don't go away.

[Mei]

Hi everyone. My name is Mei. I'm a teaching artist and while I'm a doctor, I'm also the founder of Art of My Family, a charity dedicated to organize community art events for sustainability elements.

[Vince Chen]

Mei is a teaching artist. What is teaching artist, you may wonder? And how did she develop her artistic journey? Before we do a deep dive, let us start with Mei's history. May, give us an overview of your history, your education, your life experiences, just to give us some perspective. Then we will explore different elements of your journey in the later part of a show.

[Mei]

Sure. Growing up, I've always really enjoyed art more than anything else and much some kids prefer playing sports. Art really came naturally to me. So from the time I was around two years old, I would draw on walls before I could even write my name. And art was one of the ways my parents and I bonded. So when I was three, my mother taught me how to photo origami and by five years old, my father and I were created ceramics together at age 12. My positive experiences with arts from my childhood really gave me the conviction to become an artist, during which I had a fascination with dataism and pop art. And I eventually went to the University of Chicago to study arts. This is where I met Professor Jeff Oppenheimer, who gave a lecture on integrating art into daily life and daily life into art. And the contents of this lecture really helped form the framework and direction of my art to this day and also were one of the major factors in my decision to become a sculptor specializing in Pop art and large installation for public spaces.

[Vince Chen]

You went to the University of Chicago to study visual art along with another interest of yours, Political science. I happen to know a lot of people from Hong Kong and China, including myself, who attempted the University of Chicago to study economics, business, mathematics or physics. Yet even at your young age, you purposely chose art as your major. Tell us more about the why. Why at that age you decided to pursue art as your major, why you wanted to get serious about this field of study rather than just keeping it as a hobby or as an interest.

[Mei]

For me, art is a way of self expression as well as a way of communication with others. And I think the power of art is that even for words that cannot be expressed, it can be experienced through art. And I think as I mentioned earlier, Professor Jeff Oppenheimer actually, as well as Professor Laura Lipkinski, both of them play a very important role in my artistic career. They really encouraged me to jump outside of the box and incorporate some of the daily life materials into my artwork. And that's also my philosophy as an artist.

[Vince Chen]

To you've mentioned to me before that music has had a significant influence on your journey as an artist. Can you share more about how music plays a role in your art world?

[Mei]

Yeah, sure. Besides art, I also received a musical education from a very young age, receiving tutelage from Hong Kong conductor Mr. Jimmy Chan and the late Mr. Dai Si Chong, who actually taught a lot of the famous singers in Hong Kong, including Andy Lau and all those other singers. And I was also taught piano by Chinese pianist Mao Si Kuan and very luckily became the distinguished winner of the Swayeder Hong Kong Youth Piano Competition. So I actually used a lot of my dramatic experiences to create sculptures and direct stance and musical performances that amplified significance of each other. And when I first returned to Hong Kong in 2015, I served as the visual arts director and showcased my sculpture Cocoon using Textiles at the residence of the Netherlands Council General to Hong Kong, Macau, the Portra Mental performance and even later, until in 2018 for the French May Art Festival, I directed the Baptnay Nick Mekte Interpretive Dance and Music performance where I fused Chinese and French musical instruments and facilitated collaboration between the artists. And so I'm very excited about the upcoming show which is the Discovery Art brand Fredford. I will present my artwork called Musical Compass. It is actually an artwork, a series of sculpted vases in the form of a musical rest in a garden of sprouting daisies and owl actually hand painted them. And the artwork is really aimed to come calm the mind and encouraging the viewers to actually withdraw themselves from the bustling city lives, to relax to large, to recharge and to reflect. And the reason why I actually chose our musical rest is because I believe that the absence of sound in a musical score actually provides dynamics, builds tension and actually maintain the rhythm, even change the tempest Temples of peace. And I really hope that as music is everywhere and I really want that through art and music, which are both universal language, to actually have to cross beyond borders and cultures.

[Vince Chen]

In your career so far you've explored various areas of art like music, sculpture and painting. But you've also spent a good amount of time in the corporate world including investment banking and working for a tech company in the CSR or ESG space. What were your thoughts back then about gaining this so called standard commercial and business experience while still pursuing your artistic ambitions?

[Mei]

My transition from finance to startup and into art was a kind of gradual realization of my calling in life and what I really wanted to do through my career. And earlier you mentioned I worked in finance. I was an analyst at Goldman in the US and back then I had the opportunity to work on the CSR initiative and experience really impact me and specifically like the community teamworks which provided relief efforts for victims of Hurricane Sandy. And so I actually at that time I helped organizing community art events and become a really fond memory for me and inspired me to shift a career towards focusing and making a positive social impact. Coming back to Hong Kong, I then joined the founding team of the LaRue Hong Kong Office as the social responsibility lead. And that's where I launched a food recovery program and providing meal free meals for the community. And so seeing the potential for corporations to support their communities really solidified my desire to use my abilities to benefit those in need. And all these experience and also with personal health challenge, that's actually led me back to my original passion for art. As a pop art sculptor and also the founder of the charity Art of My Family, I now really dedicate my career to bring creative opportunities to underprivileged youth in Hong Kong. Sticking the values of art which is affirmation, resilience and faithfulness. So today I look back at my career transitions and I realized that the nature of my various roles, be it finance, be it startup, it was really my calling to do social work. And the spirit of perseverance I gradually developed through these experiences. Really what shaped me who I am today.

[Vince Chen]

Speaking of perseverance, I can't help but ask about a significant aspect of your personal life. You shared in other media interviews that you were diagnosed with cancer at a young age and battled the illness for a considerable time. Could you share how this experience transformed or impacted you? Did it make you a more empathetic or artistic person? Or perhaps it had a different effect. How does this health and personal experience shape your journey? I think our listeners would really appreciate hearing about the life lessons you've learned from this challenging time.

[Mei]

Sure. So before my cancer, I was wrapped in my own Concrete cocoon. And growing up, I was a relentlessly perfectionist. So I set very high sense for myself. I was very critical of myself, of everything from work to daily life. And back then I micromanaged all the operations of my design company Art and Love and also my charity art of my family. I think my cancer, my fight with cancer really gave me a new perspective on life. I transform into someone who really places emphasis on faith. And when I say faith, I would say F really stands for having faith in myself. Instead of challenging what I do all the time, I actually embrace it and have confidence in myself. And a it's feeling alive and celebrating small things in life. It's not easy to be a sculptor. A lot of times things are being affected by the temperature, things are affected by the humidity. But celebrate the small things in life and it will become a happier, happier artist. AI is creating impact on society by making a difference one step at a time. That's also my mission, no matter as a sculptor or as a committee artist. And Tea is really touching lives and hearts by helping people around me. And so really happy to have set up art of my family to achieve that. And H taking better care of my mental and physical health as well as actually helping the mental wellness of people around me as well. So I think the camp experience really give me, let me feel a greater sense of conviction to serve the underprivileged. Whether through events such as French May Felder Malda pandemics to Mother Nature, Next Generation exhibition.

[Vince Chen]

A near death experience gives you a new perspective on life. While that experience is full of suffering and we don't try to glorify it, it can also lead to personal growth. You came out of it as a better person. Someone who embraces life more fully and finds greater happiness. And speaking of life, I know that in recent years you started a new chapter. You got married to another fence who's also a friend of mine from the University of Chicago. And you have a son, a new life that you are nurturing. How is motherhood treating you so far? How has this experience, along with other major live events, impacted your perspective as an artist and in helping your communities?

[Mei]

Just give me one moment. Archer is coming over soon. I would like to carry him as I'm answering this question. So please call me Ali. Sleepy. Okay.

[Vince Chen]

Did you interrupt his afternoon baby sleep? Beauty sleep actually.

[Mei]

He was awake before the call, but then he fell asleep. Yes, like this. Okay. Hi. Yes, hi. I'm trying to grab a photo of the three of us. Let's see. Okay. Okay, cool.

[Vince Chen]

Who this person is because look at this, the eyebrows, like checking me out. What is this?

[Mei]

What's this person?

[Vince Chen]

What you do.

[Mei]

So that's Archers.

[Vince Chen]

He just smiled. So back to our original question about a new chapter in your life, about a new life that you're nurturing about motherhood.

[Mei]

Speaking of motherhood, my journey actually really inspired a new purpose for my art creations. From my pregnancy to the birth of my son Archer. That's when I realized that my work should be created with the goal of enriching the next generation, regardless its lady work or regardless art pieces. And I think the art and joy of creating is an expression of intergenerational care both for Archer and also for the other youths who needed the most in my community. So one of the pieces actually Vince, you saw in person, Leap of Faith was an art piece I created for a Mother Nature Next Generation exhibition with me trying to express the excitement and joy of watching life grow into something wonderful from something very small. The bamboo steamer used in League of Bay, which is the largest handmade bamboo steamer ever made in Hong Kong, is a piece of cultural heritage that represents all the things I really enjoyed growing up that I wish to pass on the next generation. Actually, on a side note, why I decided to name him Chagall is because I really hope that he could aspire to be like the artist Marc Chagall, who is basically a very innovative, innovative person and who also went through a lot of challenges in life, but she still managed to get through and become one of the most celebrated artists in.

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[Mei]

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[Mei]

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Things you enjoyed growing up in Hong Kong? Can you share more about activities or experiences that were particularly meaningful to you during that time?

[Mei]

Yeah, sure. One of the motifs that I have in my artwork is definitely Hong Kong's culture. And when talk about Hong Kong's culture, it's not only being selling boat and all those things, but it's really little things, little precious moments in daily life. So it can be dump sum, it can be Chinese checkers and all those things. And that's why I actually incorporated dim sum steamer and French made art accessible Savannah exhibition back in 2017 as well as on Mother Nature Next Generation. I think dim sum, this intangible culture heritage is something that is really worth Hong Kong people and actually people from all over the world to treasure and Chinese checkers and even ping pong balls are things that I really love playing as a little girl. And so that's something that it's really fun to actually see them. Shy in my artwork, I remember that.

[Vince Chen]

I actually took a photo with that piece. And Vince, your husband, explained the significance of that dim sum container to me. Since Vince's family is in the restaurant business, he shared how dim sum plays a major role in Hong Kong's dining culture and overall culture. That really big dim sum container, specially made as far as I know, was something you turn into a piece of art.

[Mei]

Yes, it has always been great working with Dakchung Samgye. They are the fifth generation of bamboo artisans in Hong Kong and it's really fascinating to see them that they still handcraft bamboo steamers, which is not easy actually. A lot of the streamers these days are actually made with a mix of bamboo and nettles. What they do for us, working together with us for the exhibition makes it even more precious. And I'd always love to incorporate some fun food elements into my work. I think not only experience my other half, but also just experienced by me growing up. It's always trying to treasure food. Like even for example, a few years ago for Art of my family's program, we had two year program related to marine conservation. So in 2020 we actually recycled over a few hundreds of seashells and turned it into artwork. And the children actually interviewed a fisherman, fifth generation of fishermen in Aberdeen, to create artwork related to Chinese bone script culture as well as actually exhibiting their work in Tycoon. And then the next year we worked on ideas related to the sea and seafood as well. We also believe in sustainable seafood. The kids actually drew on Japanese postcards that we call Atagami and to express the importance of making things sustainable.

[Vince Chen]

Mei, tell us a bit more about your artwork. Are there any particular pieces that stand out to you? Ones that you find especially memorable and would like to share with us?

[Mei]

Yeah, sure. One of my most memorable art pieces I created is what if, which was one of my favorite art pieces I created while studying at the University of Chicago in 2012 and it's piece that gave me the first Asian sculpture to debute my work at the Rockefeller Memorial Chapel and Chicago Union Station. In creating this piece, I actually want to encourage people to take a moment and think outside of the box and also appreciate life's and those possibilities. I believe that art is like a life has a lot of twists and turns that can change one's perspective and lead to new discoveries. If I have to pick one more art piece to talk about. It would have to be Blossom Love, which I created for Art Dutch Days in Hong Kong 2022, an event created together with the Netherlands Pamphlet General in Hong Kong account. This piece was actually inspired by Netherlands State of the Art, a sustainable urban development and water management system. Wood is a medium that I often use in my artwork, including this piece, and I want audience to envision iconic Dutch tulips and houseboats with the seaways representing the Dutch spirit and tackling in many urban resilience issues. So I think this piece actually serves as a bridge between Hong Kong and the Netherlands and is a bridge that I hope will inspire more ideas, sharing collaborations.

[Vince Chen]

This seems like the perfect time to talk more about Art of My Family. Mei, you've mentioned this charity a few times during our interview. It's called Art of My Family with my and why standing for your name, Mei Yung. When I look at your website, you've set various goals making art accessible, promoting social inclusion, fostering cultural exchange, strengthening mental wellness, and championing environmental protection. These are all very important agendas. Looking back over the past six years, I'm curious, how would you assess your progress? Of course, we've reached a stage in life where we don't just judge our achievements based on report cards. And you've mentioned that you used to be a perfectionist but now have a different perspective. But if you have to evaluate your progress over the last six years, how would you rate yourself? And as a follow up, looking forward, what else do you want to achieve? Are there areas where you feel you haven't done enough or where you believe you can do a better job? So it's a two part question. First, assessing your past progress and second, looking ahead and learning from the past to improve in the future.

[Mei]

Before answering your question, I actually want to give a little bit more story behind why I set up Art of My Family in the first place and then I'll talk a little bit more about what I plan to do and as well as how I assess myself. I actually back then, as I mentioned earlier, I was serving as the CRCL lead at Deliveroo and I was launching a food recovery program where we managed to save a substantial amount of food and refugees and also provided thousands of meals for the community. And that's when I realized my potential in supporting the community and I decided to lean towards my passion for the arts and recognize that many underprivileged children did not have the chance to learn art as I did. That's why I decided to set up Art of My Family in Torque. In terms of assessment, I would say that there's always world beyond world. And I just feel so blessed to be part of the Art of My Family and also the family just continue to grow. One of our key programs is actually Artsy Artist Scheme, which is basically striving to nurture the next generation of creative and artistic talents. And for that program back then we mainly partnered with the Hong Kong Design Institute. And now we actually expanded our program to besides hkdi, we expanded to Metropolitan University, City University and also CC Design. So it's very exciting to see how the family grow and we definitely want to continue to expand that to other universities in Hong Kong. But I think also one point in terms of what I really want to do, I think one point really worth mentioning is that many children and youth and Hong Kong these days actually go through emotional turmoil. And the World Economic Forum actually projected the emotional problems would be one of the biggest problems by 2030 and the cross and mental health conditions would actually skyrocket to US$6 trillion globally by then. And so Art of My Family actually has launched programs like Hearts at Home program the past year. We helped to further expand this program to help strengthening the mental wellness of children with disabilities and also those that lack family care, including those in Memorial Home. So our goal was actually to ultimately help those, help them to integrate into society and to walk out from the shadow of the family negligence. Besides Artsy Art Scheme and also Hearts and Control Program, we actually archive the goods sculptures with unique Characteristics in all 18 districts of Hong Kong to show the importance of art and not only beautifying the city, but also supporting the mental well being.

[Vince Chen]

Speaking of mental wellness or well being, it's important to acknowledge that whether in Hong Kong or elsewhere in the world, the aftermath of COVID economic uncertainty and other global challenges have created a lot, a lot of stress. These aren't just isolated events, they are interconnected factors that bring about significant changes. In my view, embracing change can be a growth opportunity, but also brings mental pressure and negativity which can impact everyone's well being. I agree with you that wellness is crucial for everyone, from the elderly who have their own challenges to children who are the pillars of our future society. Often the mental issues we face as adults can be traced back to childhood. Something that happened in the family or during those formative years shapes how we see the world, how we behave, our mindset, and even our life and career choices. That's why I really admire your focus on intervening early in children's lives. The impact you're making goes beyond what can be measured financially. It's truly invaluable. For that, I applaud you. Now, I would like to wrap up our interview with a question that touches on the many roles you play. You run a charity, you are a mother raising a child, you take care of your own health. And you are a teaching artist with a wide range of interests. How do you balance all these different roles and responsibilities? And more importantly, what is your life mission now and going forward? The future is uncertain, the present is here and the past is behind us. But when you set a goal for yourself, it's clear that you are fully committed and don't back up. So what would you say is your life mission?

[Mei]

My life mission is to inspire the next generation of artists and art educators. That's also why I decided to to be a teaching artist. Because as a teaching artist, my goal is to leverage my experiences as a working professional, but also provide a unique link between the creative process and also the art based learning. And that's why I always try to develop specialized curriculum approaches to engage diverse groups from people with disabilities to cancer patients. And in particular actually my charity Art of My Family's co educational philosophy involved around the three Cs co design, co create and colearn. So for example the exhibition you visited in July, we actually co designed backdrops and competition drawing outlines with university students. We co created artwork with subdivided unit children including the Seeds of Hope Pycon wall and co learned with other peers at the Design Institute talks. So I think what's special about teaching artists is that in the classroom, the other emerging artists and I actually work alongside the students and we try to model the creative journey and also demonstrate the importance of restricting and by sharing our real world experiences. We learned street cred lessons, offering firsthand guidance on techniques and navigating the art world. So I really believe that a symbolic relationship between the teaching artist practice and also the environment, creativity, dialogue and growth for both me and my students. So the teaching artist role is one of the inspiration using my artistic experience to diversify the creators and also to achieve my mission to inspire the next generation of artists and art at Japan.

[Vince Chen]

That's wonderful, May. I'm really looking forward to seeing more of your artwork and attending your exhibitions. As I mentioned, next time when your son picks up more words and expands his vocabulary, we'll have another interview. We'll do it entirely on video. We'll let him join in. That would be super awesome.

[Mei]

He's talkative baby. Already so I'm sure he'll be a talkative kid.

[Vince Chen]

Really appreciate May. Thank you so much.

[Mei]

Thank you Vince. Thank you so much for the opportunity and Archer and I look forward to catching up with you soon. Again.

[Vince Chen]

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[Mei]

All of us that believe.

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