In this episode of Chin Hairs and F-Bombs, SallyAnn Gray invites her husband, Benjamin, for a raw and honest conversation about burnout. They open up about how it impacted their marriage, their work, and their sense of self - and how they each found their way back. Sally and Benjamin unpack the different ways burnout shows up for men and women, the weight of societal expectations, and the strategies that actually helped them heal. Along the way, they share practical advice, real-life stories, and one surprising truth: sometimes you’ve gotta get outside and play in the dirt.

00:00 – Welcome to Chin Hairs and F-Bombs

00:40 – Meet the guest: Benjamin

01:06 – Burnout: Let’s talk about it

01:49 – Who we are, what we’re about

04:35 – So what IS burnout, really?

06:34 – How burnout messes with your head and heart

13:02 – Men, women, and burnout: Different rules, same pressure

19:29 – What burnout did to our relationship

24:48 – Finding our way back

26:33 – Yard work is therapy now? Sure is.

28:01 – Getting out of our heads and into our bodies

29:21 – Our burnout stories (the messy kind)

32:17 – Learning to live within our limits

43:37 – “Ohhh… THAT was burnout”: Early signs

47:55 – Generational Perspectives on Mental Health

49:28 – JOY SHARE! What’s lighting us up right now

53:21 – Final thoughts

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Exhausted and Exploding: Burnout in Real Life