Podcast Summary: ChooseFI Ep. 564

Title: Financial Independence Basics with Jackie Cummings Koski
Date: September 15, 2025
Host: Brad (ChooseFI)
Guest: Jackie Cummings Koski (Catching up to FI podcast, author of “FIRE for Dummies”)

Overview

This foundational episode features Jackie Cummings Koski, longtime FI community member, certified financial planner, and author of "FIRE for Dummies." Brad and Jackie revisit the absolute basics of Financial Independence (FI) and FIRE—what it means, how to start, and why these concepts are life-changing. Intended as both a beginner’s guide and a community-wide refresher, the episode covers core topics: how to establish a foundation for FI, demystifying investments, reducing expenses, forming habits, leveraging community, and appreciating the life-changing effects of reclaiming financial autonomy.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jackie’s FI Journey and Introduction to the Movement

• Jackie’s journey from listener to early retiree, then author and podcast host:
  • Discovered ChooseFI 5 episodes in back in 2017.
  • Retired in December 2019 (pre-pandemic).
  • Became a CFP, wrote "FIRE for Dummies," and now co-hosts Catching Up to FI podcast.
• On the power of community and sharing knowledge:

  “As parents, when we learn something new the first thing we want to do is share it with our kids.” [02:28]

2. FI and FIRE Defined

• FI: Financial Independence—no longer relying on a paycheck to sustain your life.

• FIRE: Financial Independence, Retire Early—the optionality of work, not a mandate.

  “Who wants to work forever? Usually the last part, who wants to work forever, that almost resonates with everybody.” —Jackie [05:51]

• FI is about increasing options, autonomy, and regaining control over one’s life:

  “FI is about options... you can change the entire power dynamic… when you have some autonomy and power and control over your financial life, it bleeds in the best way into so many other aspects of life.” —Brad [07:10]

3. Early Actions, Habit Formation, and Starting Small [11:38]

• The value of just getting started—no matter how small:

  “At that point [when you think you can’t save], just take a small amount, maybe $10 a month… just create the habit.” —Jackie [11:38]

• Even learning and self-education is progress. Don’t let low income or starting from scratch deter action.

• Real stories offer hope:

  “Hearing other people’s stories made a huge difference… I listened with all this curiosity and I had so many takeaways that did make the difference for me.” —Jackie [13:55]

4. No One-Size-Fits-All “Doctrine”

• FI is customizable. The process adapts to each individual’s situation, strengths, and adversities.

  “As you get smarter, as you start learning and the lights start turning on, you customize it for your situation… it’s not this strict doctrine that we follow.” —Jackie [15:21]

• The community has evolved past stereotypes of FI being only for high-income, white tech workers.

5. Foundational Investment Principles [18:45 – 33:37]

• Investment intimidation is natural, but simplicity wins.
• Jackie’s experience:
  • Investment club ($100/month): “That wasn’t a ton, but it was a little skin in the game… and I could do anything I wanted in my own portfolio.” [16:58]
  • Learning about compounding, 401(k), Roth IRAs, and HSAs.
• Index funds (e.g., VTI, VTSAX) are beginner-friendly, effective, and accessible:
  • Majority of portfolios in index funds; small percentage for personal curiosity.

  “Investing is one of the few parts of your life where doing less is more.” —Jackie [24:13]

Practical Tips:

• Avoid buying VTSAX outside Vanguard; use ETFs (e.g., VTI) for broader brokerage compatibility and $0 commissions. [24:38]
• Use expense ratios as a quick filter in 401(k) plans—the lower, the better (aim for ≤0.1%). [31:17]

Relatable Examples:

• Helping people “see” what they own via the S&P 500 in their everyday purchases. [28:37]
• Start at work: Most begin investing through employer-sponsored plans.
• “Always get the match” on your 401(k) contributions—free, immediate return. [36:45]

6. Expense Reduction vs. Income Growth [41:12]

• Early on, cutting expenses is much faster and easier compared to increasing income.

  • Examples: Cell phone plans, insurance providers, switching gas or electricity suppliers, meal planning/cooking. [41:12, 65:27]

  “Look at some of the things that is not going to change the way you’re living to get a lower rate…” —Jackie [41:12]

• FI is not about deprivation or cutting all simple joys from your life—it’s about intentional choices based on YOUR values.

7. The Power of Small Changes: The $100 Rule [43:46, 48:40]

• Reducing your recurring expenses by $100/month can lower your FI “number” by $30,000.
• Double effect: That $100/month invested at 8% for 20 years grows to ~$60,000—when paired with the lower FI number, it’s a $90,000 improvement.

  “It’s not a $30,000 difference, it’s a $90,000 difference… That’s extraordinary for a hundred dollars per month change.” —Brad [47:51]

8. Dealing with Debt [50:05]

• Paying off debts directly lowers your monthly costs and fast-tracks financial independence.
• Shine a light on all debts, even if it’s tough; write down assets, debts, expenses, and income to get a clear starting point.

  “You’ve made a powerful step if you’ve decided you’re going to do that. And that’s why the mental part of this whole thing, the psychological part, is very important.” —Jackie [51:56]

9. Personalizing Your FI Number [54:37]

• Calculate your number: annual expenses × 25.
• Focus on expenses, not income.
• Don’t be distracted by others’ “measuring sticks”—your number is personal.

  “Not everybody wants to get to $5 million… I reached my enough…you’re using your measuring stick. That’s not my measuring stick.” —Jackie [49:09]

10. The Multiplier Effect: Community & Support [58:58]

• Importance of FI community—stories, events, support groups, motivation.
• ChooseFI’s local groups and case studies help make the journey tangible and foster companionship on the FI path.

  “Seeing other people that are doing this… is really powerful.” —Brad [58:58]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Options & Autonomy:

  “To me, FI is about options. I think so many of us go through life ceding power to other people…you can change the entire power dynamic.” —Brad [06:33]

• On Small Steps:

  “Those small things really do make a difference. I guess the psychology of it does.” —Jackie [11:38]

• On Investment Simplicity:

  “Investing is one of the few parts of your life where doing less is more.” —Jackie [24:13]

• On Customizing FI:

  “It’s not this strict doctrine that we follow…you start to customize it for your situation. You got superpowers, you got adversities.” —Jackie [15:21]

• On Community:

  “Hearing other people’s stories made a huge difference… even if three minutes of it, I took away something, it was valuable.” —Jackie [13:55]

• On The $100 Habit:

  “For saving that hundred dollars and how it compounds, that shrinks it down to size… You could probably live off a whole lot less.” —Jackie [50:05]

• On Debt & Mindset:

  “You’ll have the person…where you don’t feel like you even make enough money to save anything… start educating yourself… Even the smallest movements, even if it’s just education, could make a difference.”—Jackie [11:38]

Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 01:12 | Jackie’s backstory and joining the FI movement | | 05:51 | Defining FI and the “why” behind FIRE | | 11:38 | Starting small & the psychology of change | | 15:21 | Customizing FI – no single doctrine | | 18:45 | Jackie’s first investment club experience | | 24:13 | Simplicity in investing; index funds explained | | 31:17 | Navigating 401(k) plans and expense ratios | | 36:45 | Maximizing employer 401(k) matches | | 41:12 | Best places to cut expenses for beginners | | 43:46 | The 4% “rule,” FI math, and “the $100 rule” | | 50:05 | The importance of debt payoff and facing realities | | 58:58 | Power of local FI communities and in-person events | | 65:27 | Negotiating recurring bills and creative savings |

Actionable Takeaways

• Habit-Forming Is Key: Start with manageable, regular savings—even if it’s $10/month.
• Compound Interest Works Both Ways: Every $100/month cut and invested is a ~$90,000 swing over 20 years.
• Automate, Index, Simplify: Use low-cost index funds (like VTI or equivalents) and automate investments.
• Know Your Numbers: Write down expenses, income, debts, and assets, even when it’s uncomfortable.
• Get the Match: Always contribute enough to your employer plan to secure the full match.
• Find Community: Join a local ChooseFI group or online community for support and inspiration.
• Negotiate Everything: Call providers (Internet, phone, insurance) for better rates—do this regularly.

Where to Find Jackie

• Book: [FIRE for Dummies]
• Podcast: [Catching Up to FI]

Conclusion

This “Back to Basics” episode crystallizes the heart of FI: it’s possible for anyone, in any circumstance, to reclaim control and radically change their life trajectory. Small habits, intentional decisions, and community support compound over time for massive transformation. Whether you’re new to FI or need a tune-up, this episode is a smart, motivating listen.

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