Life After Lockup (feat. Ian Bick)

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Chrisley Confessions 2.0: "Life After Lockup" (feat. Ian Bick) – Detailed Episode Summary

Podcast: Chrisley Confessions 2.0
Episode Title: Life After Lockup (feat. Ian Bick)
Date: January 21, 2026
Host: Todd Chrisley
Guest: Ian Bick

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Overview

This deeply candid and unfiltered episode reunites Todd Chrisley and former inmate-turned-podcaster Ian Bick for an extended conversation about the realities of incarceration in the United States. Threaded with humor and honesty, the two share personal stories and hard-won insights on prison life, systems of punishment and redemption, the culture of the Bureau of Prisons (BOP), and life on the other side of the gate. The episode explores vulnerable topics—abuse, shame, stigma, and activism—while also spotlighting the transformative power of leveraging even the darkest experiences for good. Notably, the show includes firsthand accounts (both harrowing and humorous) from Ian’s journey through multiple prisons, and Todd’s own work advocating for reform.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introductions & Backgrounds

• Ian Bick’s Backstory ([00:32]–[03:16])

  • Ian details his entrepreneurial childhood, leading to early legal trouble—from lemonade stands to running accidental Ponzi schemes as a teenage event promoter.
  • He describes being investigated by state and federal law enforcement at age 19, being charged for fraud and lying to federal agents, and his eventual three-year federal prison sentence.

• Connection with the Chrisleys ([04:55]–[06:55]):

  • Ian recounts how a viral social media exchange and mutual friends led to Todd following him online and agreeing to appear on his podcast.
  • Todd shares admiration for Ian’s focus on redemption stories and prison experiences.

2. First Days in Prison & Survival Realities

• Initial Incarceration Dangers ([07:08]–[16:26]):

  • Ian describes being sent to a private prison, witnessing violence, and engaging in extreme measures for safety (group showers, “don’t drop the soap” anxieties).
  • Vivid description of the squalor and tension, e.g., going without flip-flops and using his jumpsuit as a shower mat.

• Navigating Prison Politics & Perceptions ([13:08]–[18:16]):

  • At Fort Dix, Ian mistakenly sits with the “wrong” group in the chow hall and gets labeled as a sex offender, with severe consequences for his prison experience: “That was the worst decision I could have ever made because that's how I was treated that whole time I was at the low security prison.” ([16:05])
  • Guards and other inmates regularly extort, pressure, and threaten those perceived as vulnerable.

3. Violence, Extortion, and Social Structures

• Extortion Story ([16:53]–[18:16]):

  • Ian is pulled into a bathroom, slapped, and forced to pay “protection” money via commissary—averted eventually by making connections with powerful inmate “cars” or groups.

• “Life in the Shoe” (Segregated Housing/Protective Custody) ([19:37]–[21:43]):

  • Ian describes being placed in solitary, learning the strict odors of cell etiquette, and enduring overcrowding and psychological stress.

4. Transfers, Solitary, and the “Diesel Therapy” Game

• Frequent Transfers & Bureaucratic Abuse ([21:44]–[29:37]):
  • Ian endures a punishing circuit through federal facilities: Fort Dix → Philly → Brooklyn → Danbury (sent back for “conflict of interest”) → Oklahoma City → Chicago → Wisconsin (Oxford).
  • Stories of being transported with dangerous criminals and living amidst both celebrity inmates and severe offenders.

5. Contraband, Commerce, and Daily Realities Inside

• The Economy of Contraband ([29:37]–[35:18]):
  • Ian details running for McDonald's and other forbidden items, baking and selling cheesecakes, and the prevalence of cell phones (selling for $2,000 at the low and $200 at the camp).
  • Todd and Ian swap stories about staff complicity in smuggling, and the remarkable ingenuity of gourmet “prison meals.”

“My experience was way different than yours. I was there for 28 months. And you were there for how long?” – Todd Chrisley ([49:38])

6. Abuse, Advocacy, and a Broken System

• Sexual Misconduct and Cover-Up ([37:11]–[41:08]):

  • Ian recounts being sexually harassed by a male prison guard; his attempts to report it are met with indifference and opacity.
  • Todd unequivocally calls out abusers by name and expounds on the dangers of silence:

  “The abusers feed on your silence because they feel like that the shame is going to prevent you because you’re a guy and it’s another guy that did this to you, so you’re too ashamed to talk about it, so therefore they’re safe to do it again.” ([41:10])

• Systemic Change & Leadership ([56:50]–[62:32]):

  • Todd reports on improvements due to new leadership at BOP, including Director Billy Marshall’s reforms and commitment to rooting out corruption, abuse, and staff misconduct.
  • He also describes his nonprofit advocacy, directly working with federal leadership to address complaints and recalculate inmates’ sentences:

  “I will continue to do what I'm doing today for as long as God allows me to do it. And the bureau knows that.” ([61:47])

7. Public Perception, Redemption, and Shame

• The Power of Telling One’s Story ([63:48]–[67:08]):

  • Ian discusses using social media and podcasting to reclaim his story and highlight the human side of mass incarceration.
  • Todd emphasizes openly discussing his own experience while bypassing shame:

  “I don’t have any shame because I know that what we went to prison for, we didn’t do. But I still went to Prison. So I am still your brother in prison.” ([67:45])

• On Shame and Support Networks

  • Both agree that lifting stigma requires honesty, community, and a willingness to help rather than judge those who make mistakes.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Navigating Early Trouble:

  “I was running an accidental Ponzi scheme... One day, the FBI, IRS, and postal inspector showed up at my door thinking I was a terrorist at five in the morning, dragged me out of the house in cowboy boots and handcuffs.” — Ian Bick ([03:00])

• On Survival & Prison Politics:

  “I had two options in that moment. You either fight the guy and be dominant, or you get up and leave and sit at the other table. And I didn’t really want to necessarily get into trouble. This is my first real day in prison. So I got up and sat at that table and that was the worst decision I could have ever made.” — Ian Bick ([16:05])

• On Reporting Abuse:

  “They didn’t do an investigation because your word means nothing because you’re an inmate and they cover for all their fellow degenerates.” — Todd Chrisley ([37:38])

• On BOP Leadership & Change:

  “But Billy Marshall is like John Dutton from Yellowstone... He’s take no prisoners now. If you are doing something that’s wrong... that’s fraud.” — Todd Chrisley ([57:01])

• On Stigma and Redemption:

  “Shame is like cancer. If you feed it, it will spread.” — Todd Chrisley ([67:45]) “You’ve taken a bad situation, and yours was far worse than mine. But you’ve taken a bad situation and you’ve turned it into something positive—and guess what, Ian? That’s what the system did not want you to do.” — Todd Chrisley ([71:00])

• On Advocacy & Next Steps:

  “My greatest accomplishment is... six guys, their dates were miscalculated again, incorrectly, have now been recalculated. They're going home today. That is my blessing. That is my payment.” — Todd Chrisley ([62:32])

• On Surviving and Thriving:

  “Podcasting is similar [to events]… You’re booking talent, right? You’re promoting in the sense of clips and putting it out there… It’s my full time job and you know, being able to travel around, go to different places.” — Ian Bick ([63:52])

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Important Timestamps

• Ian’s Backstory & Ponzi Scheme: [00:41]–[03:16]
• How Todd & Ian Connected: [04:55]–[06:55]
• First Prison Experiences: [07:08]–[10:59]
• Extortion in Prison: [16:53]–[18:16]
• Life in Solitary (the “Shoe”): [19:37]–[21:43]
• Transfers and “Diesel Therapy:” [21:44]–[29:37]
• Contraband & Prison Hustles: [29:37]–[35:18]
• Sexual Abuse by Guard & Systemic Coverup: [37:11]–[41:08]
• Bureau of Prisons Critique & Advocacy: [56:50]–[62:32]
• Podcasting and Redemption Discussion: [63:48]–[67:16]
• Closing Affirmations & Next Steps: [70:59]–[71:13]

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Concluding Highlights

• The Chrisleys and Ian share a sincere, lived-in understanding of the trauma, shame, and absurdities of American prisons, but also exemplify resilience and the importance of telling the truth, supporting others, and fighting for lasting change.
• Listeners interested in criminal justice, stories of survival and redemption, and authentic, sometimes dark humor, will find this episode both eye-opening and affirming.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Todd Chrisley]

So welcome, Ian. Welcome to Christly Confessions 2.0.

[Ian Bick]

Welcome.

[Todd Chrisley]

I understand that you did an interview with Chase yesterday.

[Ian Bick]

I did, yeah. And thanks for having me, Todd.

[Todd Chrisley]

Well, you're more than welcome. So tell me, Ian, or tell our listeners a little bit about who you are and how you and I got connected.

[Ian Bick]

So I'm from Connecticut. I grew up in Connecticut. Good family, normal upbringing. Mom, dad, brother, family vacations, you know, family dog, all of that. It was actually a gated Jewish community. I'm half Jewish from my dad's side.

[Todd Chrisley]

Yeah, because your mother needs to be in order for you to be full Jewish. Your mother needs to be.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah, so we celebrate.

[Todd Chrisley]

I know these things. And because I worked in the chapel and I made sure my Jewish comrades got their services.

[Ian Bick]

So we celebrated both religions growing up and everything was good, you know, until it wasn't. But I was very entrepreneurial as a kid. I did the lemonade stands, I did sold candy in middle school, got into some trouble on mischief night. And, you know, the night before Halloween, freshman year of high school, me and my friend took insulation foam and foamed the vice president and president cars of our community because they were making all these rules. That night triggered this whole series of events that ultimately led me to here right now. I got sentenced to probation and I ended up doing the probation, starting a charity project called Fight for the Homeless, right? I said, oh, I'm not just going to do the probation. I'm going to make a project out of it, right? And I sold those Live Strong bracelets. Instead of Live Strong, it said fight for the Homeless, right? Got them online, sold them for a dollar a piece, and raised a few thousand dollars for the local homeless shelter, right? That then turned into me doing a school dance for the cause, which turned into me renting a local nightclub to do these teen parties, right? Where you rent it out, do $10 a piece, no alcohol, and you get thousand 1500 kids to come and then you're making thousands of dollars. So I did that throughout high school. And then I decided I wasn't going to go to college. I was going to stick with the party promotion business. And then I Event, concert, industry. When I was 17, 18 years old, I raised money from friends and family and booked acts from Big Sean to Tyga to Chief Keef. Really big names in the hip hop and EDM community, and lost all the money, which would have been fine at the moment, but what happened was instead of losing it all and saying, I lost it, I lost it all, said I made money, started lying, and then started borrowing more money to make up for those losses. And before I knew it, I was running an accidental Ponzi scheme, right? And I was, you know, telling more lies and more lies and more lies until eventually one day, the FBI, irs, and postal inspector showed up at my door thinking I was a terrorist at five in the morning, dragged me out of the house in cowboy boots and handcuffs.

[Todd Chrisley]

You were how old at this time?

[Ian Bick]

I was 19. 19 years old.

[Todd Chrisley]

God.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah. Storm the house in this community, all lined up and down the street, FBI, you know, state troopers.

[Todd Chrisley]

Did you have any idea this was coming?

[Ian Bick]

Yeah, I did originally. So what happened was I found out I was under investigation by the local cops, and they somehow they got it kicked up to the federal level. I got subpoenaed to the Department of Banking in Connecticut. I didn't even know what the Department of Banking was. And I go over there by myself without an attorney because I'm just trying to clear my name. I bring all the paperwork, the documents, who's owed money, what their address and phone number is, everything. I put together the whole case for them, and I sit down and I testify for, like, five or six hours. And at the end of it, there's two guys in a suit. Two guys in two suits waiting for me. And they bring me into this room, and then they show me their federal badges and say they're postal inspectors. Then I do another, like, hour statement and telling them everything. And then they charge me for lying to postal inspectors after that interview, too. That was one of the charges I got charged for. But that's how I landed, you know, essentially here. I went to prisons for three years after I went to trial, lost a trial, got sentenced to three years in federal prison. I got out and worked at Whole Foods for three years. And then I quit to start making content. I told tick tocks about my prison experience, turned that into a podcast. And then I commented on one of your posts right before Thanksgiving, you had mentioned something about how shitty the BoP was, right? I responded, you. You commented back and then followed me.

[Todd Chrisley]

So I did follow.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah, you followed me. And then I DM do. You didn't Answer me. So I put a screenshot. This is great how social media works. I put a screenshot of you following me on Facebook. And I'm like, we need Todd Chrisley on the podcast. Because everyone always writes all the celebrities that need to come on the podcast, right? And Jonathan reaches out in my DMs, and he says, hey, I'm, you know, Chase Chrisley's business partner. Now, everyone always says that. Really believable, right? But I get on the phone with him, and he's actually the business partner. So then he says, yeah, work out with Todd and this. And then that's when I started watching your. Your workout videos. And then he connected to you. And then I guess you told him, you're like, well, I don't travel anywhere for podcasts, but if he comes here, I'll happily do it right now. Here we are.

[Todd Chrisley]

That. That is really how it happened. He came to me and said, will you. You know, I have this friend. He says, you know that I know he's got a podcast. And he said, and he would. And told me kind of, you know, what your podcast was about? And I said, great. And he said, and he wants you to come on his podcast. And I said, well, is it local? And he goes, no. And I said, well, I don't travel for podcasts. And he goes, well, what if he would come to Nashville? And I said, well, let me look at his content and see first. And then I talked to Aaron about it, and then I said, yeah, okay, that's fine. I mean, I liked what you were doing. I liked that the interviews were about prison experiences and people's redemption rights road. And so it was a good fit. So I'm happy. It was a good. I'm happy that it worked out that you're here.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah, I appreciate it. And then, you know, upon further researching, you really don't do too many other people's podcasts, especially ones that are not, you know, in your niche or your field. Just what you have. Especially Chase, too, and even Savannah. Savannah, you guys are very close knit.

[Todd Chrisley]

Yes.

[Ian Bick]

So I. I'm grateful for.

[Todd Chrisley]

And you ended up getting like a double bogo. Because, like, you came here and you're doing. You did a podcast with me, you Chase, now you're doing one with Savannah tomorrow, right?

[Ian Bick]

Yep. We're fully loaded.

[Todd Chrisley]

You've got three.

[Ian Bick]

We're just missing Julie.

[Todd Chrisley]

That's it. But. And I can arrange that. But tell me a little bit about your experience within the Bureau of Prisons.

[Ian Bick]

So my experience was terrible from the get go. I got my bond revoked because I stupidly went out of state to gamble while on pre trial release.

[Todd Chrisley]

You and Nanny Faye, we'd get along, right?

[Ian Bick]

So I went to gamble. I'd play baccarat. That electronic. Really? Yeah, I gotta talk to her. So I'd play it electronically because the casino in Connecticut was 21 and older and I wasn't 21 yet at the time. So I would go and I'd gamble, I'd win money and I'd help pay off, like, some of the musical artists, like the big agencies like United or CAA or wme. I owed them money for these artists, like the people that represent us, by the way, which is crazy. I was at the UTA offices and I was like, wow, I've went from owing them money to now they're representing me. So it's crazy how life works. So my friends ultimately snitched on me, told the FBI I was going out of state, got my bond revoked, and then I was sent to a private security prison, one of those, like, GEO type ones that are some for immigration, some for state, some for federal.

[Todd Chrisley]

In Rhode island, privately funded in prisons.

[Ian Bick]

Terrible. And I thought that was going to be my whole prison experience. That's you're locked in the cell, then you go out on the tier, like 60 days in, saw a guy get his finger bitten off because another guy cut him in the lunch line. And that turned into a whole out brawl. And in these facilities, the food's rolled to you in your tear on like trays, very skimpy portions. So this fight breaks out, you're in lockdown for a week because when someone else fights, the prison goes on lockdown and the other inmates have to suffer group showers. I went through the whole don't drop the soap experience, like thinking you're. You shouldn't actually drop the soap. I didn't know that that wasn't like actually a real thing. Yeah, I remember actually, like dropping the soap, like the bar. And I was so scared to pick it up. But I would always wait till everyone else would shower so I could go in there. I'd always shower with my boxers on because I wasn't one of those guys that like the YMCA that would go, you know, dick slinging around.

[Todd Chrisley]

Well, I mean, it's not a meat market. I mean, you know, I was in a camp and I mean, there were shower curtains and, you know, and the guys were very clear, this is not a meat market. You undress in the shower.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah, so that was my first, you know, prison experience. And then I get designated or I got sentenced and then I got shipped on a bus two and a half hours all the way to Brooklyn. That's where Diddy was. That's where all those guys are the celebrities now. Because the MCC closed, Brooklyn was even worse than the private one. It's dirty. You're in your cell. There's just the tears. You don't know what's going on. There's no communication in the bop. You don't know how long you're going to be there for the. It was my first Thanksgiving, and that was just like a couple pieces of turkey breast, sliced turkey breast. Really small. There's no seconds. It's a totally different prison experience than what people think prison is. And you look around, you have all these guys that are there for years fighting their case or on or on pretrial. These are guys that couldn't get bail. And they're just sitting there and there's really not much to do. You have the wall phones. There's very little contraband. It's so hard to get in to clean. Like the showers. They're the stainless steel showers, like, enclosed with, like, the button for the water. So there's no hot or cold water control. It's just like. You hit the button and whatever comes out, comes out. The way they clean it is the order. At least come by in the morning and just take like, chlorine and just. We're not chlorine. Bleach and just chuck it and scrub it a little bit with a broom and call it a day. That's how they clean the bathrooms. So when you. When I got there, I didn't have anyone come up to me and say, hey, here's flip flops or anything. And the BOP doesn't give you flip flops, right? So I took my jumpsuit off and put it on the. The bottom of the shower and stood on that while taking a shower. And I wasn't there long enough to get commissary because they ended up transferring me to my designated spot, which was Fork Dick's.

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[Ian Bick]

Now. Fort Dix, it's in New Jersey. It's an old army barracks. I thought I was going to the camp there. I figured I had no criminal history, first time offender, and even my lawyer said you're going to a camp. Well, I don't go to the camp. I go the low security prison which is behind the fence. Fort Dix is like a college campus. I never went to college, so this was like my college experience. Nonetheless, a terrible one. I first get off the bus and it's divided into two sides. It's the west side and the east side. And they're 12 man rooms and it's six bunk beds, one table in the middle. And there's three floors to this building. It's an old brick building. There's two showers, I think on every floor and two sets of bathrooms just open. One guard for 400 inmates. No cameras. You're like in the hood there. Everyone's got cell phones, guys are shooting dice, they're gambling, they're making that. It's, it's, it's a wild compound. This is where diddy is right now. At Fort Dix. So I go the chow hall. I get off the bus, and I go to the. To my room. And then they call chow. And I go right to the chow hall. And this was a. A big step up from the detention center. You could actually go wait in line. Inmates are serving you food. It's like, you know, when you're at college or high school or anything like that, they have like, a pudding bar or Jell O's, and they had a little skimpy salad bar. They had the soda machines, though, with the knockoff soda, right? I grabbed my tray. It's a good portion. I go and sit down. I sit down at a table with mostly white guys. There's some Spanish guys at the end. And I just assume that you go, I'm white. So I go to the table with the white guys. I hadn't really met any friends. I was with the one guy that was on the bus that was Spanish with me. I sit down and everyone stops eating where I'm sitting. And a guy across from me is apparently looking at me. I don't notice yet, but he kind of slams on the table and he says, hey, you. And he says it a couple more times until he gets my attention. And I'm looking around like, are you talking to me? And he's like, yeah. And he says, what are you here for? And I said, well, I'm here for fraud. And he's like, do you have any paperwork? And I said, what's paperwork? And he said, you know, showing what you're here for, that you're not a sex offender, that you're not a snitch. And I tell him, well, I'm neither one of those things. I went to trial. I'll get my paperwork from my lawyer or something. He said, all right, that's great, but that doesn't really help you now. And you need your paperwork to sit here. This is a good guy's paperwork table, meaning you have to have good paperwork to sit here. And I said, well, where am I supposed to sit? And he points behind me, and it's a table full of old pedophiles, all sex offenders. The sex offenders have designated tables at these low security prisons. And these low security prisons are flooded with sex offenders. And they all have, like, the Harry Potter glasses, like, what? I had that, like, the prison issues them. And they're just, like, looking at me like I'm fresh meat. And little did I know that a lot of guys that are sex offenders will say that they're there for fraud. And also, there's not that many people there for fraud that were my age at the time. I was 21 years old. There's barely anyone in the federal system for fraud at that age.

[Todd Chrisley]

Right.

[Ian Bick]

It's all 30 or 40 year olds.

[Todd Chrisley]

Right.

[Ian Bick]

So I had two options in that moment. You either fight the guy and be dominant, or you get up and leave and sit at the other table. And I didn't really want to necessarily get into trouble. This is my first real day in prison. So I got up and sat at that table and that was the worst decision I could have ever made because that's how I was treated that whole time. I was at the low security prison.

[Todd Chrisley]

There as a pedophile.

[Ian Bick]

As a pedophile, as someone with no good paperwork until I finally got my paperwork cleared up. But guys would try to extort me. I bought a cell phone for the first time there. And these big Black guys from D.C. that had just after Obama had changed the laws at the time, they worked their way down from a pen to like a low security prison overnight. And they came and they got knives. Everyone's walking around with these steel blades and everyone's got knives in there or weapons.

[Todd Chrisley]

Damn. I feel good about where I was at now.

[Ian Bick]

So they pull up on me one day and they yank me in the bathroom. And they're like, hey, we know you got a cell phone. Will protect it for you, will be your protection. And I tell them, I don't need protection, I'm good. And they're like, you don't really have a choice. And I start talking back and they slap me right across my face. One guy's holding me, the other guy slaps me. Glasses fly across the bathroom. And people on social media say my cheeks are still red from that slap to this day.

[Todd Chrisley]

Wow.

[Ian Bick]

So then they give me a number for their, their PIN number for their commissary account. And they say, we want your dad to send you money. Send them money weekly on this. I didn't really push back at the moment, but I took it and that was it for that day. And then I just started making friends with guys, they call them cars in the low security prisons with the New York car, which was one of the biggest cars there in New York, New Jersey. And I made friends with some of the higher up guys in there and I would just buy them commissary, whatever they needed, 50, 60, 70 bucks a week, nothing. But they would in turn kind of protect me. It was like an unspoken agreement that I was like paying for protection in A way. And the D.C. guys backed off. And eventually those guys were causing so much of a ruckus, someone put a phone in their boot and got them out of there. Wow. But that was my experience at 4.

[Todd Chrisley]

Ticks, I didn't have that experience. Thank goodness. But you were in a low. I was in a camp. I self surrendered to a camp. So tell me, you. How much time did you end up doing so altogether?

[Ian Bick]

I did 28 months, but I was in, like, seven different prisons. So I was at Fort Dix only for about six months. What happened was everyone's got cell phones. They're constantly raiding the rooms. One of the guards comes in, raids the room. They get the phone. Someone had, like, their phone unlocked or whatever, and they see a video of me getting choked out on the floor screaming like a little girl because we were play wrestling, like one day, like we're guys, you know, and someone recorded it. So I get called the lieutenant's office, like a three. Three days later. And I get put into the lieutenant's office. And they're like, do you need protective custody? I'm like, yeah, get me the hell out of here. Like, I don't want to be here anymore. I got guys trying to extort me. It's not really safe. One guy was trying to ship drugs to my dad's house to have him sell it to the prison.

[Todd Chrisley]

Oh, my God.

[Ian Bick]

It was crazy. They got his Facebook online, and they said, we're gonna hurt your son if you don't sell the. Or get these drugs into the prison. It was just crazy things like that. So they put me in productive custody. Protective custody in the federal.

[Todd Chrisley]

Is the shoe.

[Ian Bick]

Is the shoe, yeah. It's no different than the guy that stabbed someone.

[Todd Chrisley]

Right.

[Ian Bick]

Or someone that needs protection. So I sat in the shoe. The only benefit of that was it was the summer. So Fort Dix has no AC in the shoe. It does. I sat there for three months. It got so overcrowded. They were putting three people in one cell. They'd put a mattress on the floor, two people on a bed. And you're sharing this one toilet where I'd learn everything about cell etiquette. Like, people want you to sit to pee when you're on the cell so you're not splashing the pee, like, onto their bed. Because sometimes the bed is, like, right next to the toilet. Things about courtesy flushing, like when you're in the middle of a poop, got a flush before it hits the water and continuously flush and just all these rules, right? So I spent four Months. About three or four months in that four dick shoe. My counselor says to me, hey, we're transferring you to Danbury. Which is another low. But it was my hometown. Three minute drive from my parents.

[Todd Chrisley]

Right.

[Ian Bick]

You know how long it took, how long it took to get from New Jersey to Danbury? About three to four months. So they.

[Todd Chrisley]

Again, that's the bop.

[Ian Bick]

They. They penalize you. That's what they call diesel therapy. Yeah. So they put me on the bus. It was during the Puerto Rico hurricane. So they sent me to Philly first. I got stuck in the Philly shoe for another three months. Because when they transfer you from one place to another, if you get stuck in the shoe, you have to stay in the shoe according to their policy. And they were using the buses in Puerto Rico or whatever was going on with the hurricanes. And so I got put in the shoe with this sex offender that was just uncovered by an undercover FBI agent at Fort Dix because they were selling child pornography in the prison library on an iPad. So I get stuck in there for another three months in OR two, about two months in Philly. I finally get let out there and transfer to Brooklyn. And then from Brooklyn, I go to Danbury. Danbury is a small, a lot smaller prison. Fort Dix has 5, 000 people. Danbury has about 1200. Now I know the prison politics. There was guys that knew me. There were some guards that used to work at the nightclub I owned. They knew me. It was a lot better.

[Todd Chrisley]

Right.

[Ian Bick]

I didn't even get to meet my bunk mate. Yeah, I was on the yard for maybe 15 hours when I got called the lieutenant's office. They asked for my id. They say, are you Ian Bick? And I say, yes. They have me turn around, up against the wall, handcuff me, and bring me to solitary to the shoe. And this shoe is like Alcatraz. It's three tiers tall. It's got the. The metal white bars all beat up. And I'm in the shoe for about two weeks without knowing what was going on. A lieutenant finally comes around and says, hey, a guard reported that you used to date his cousin and that he came over for a barbecue one time. It's a conflict interest. We're shipping you out of here.

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[Ian Bick]

So now I'm stuck in the shoe. In the shoe is where guards started calling me like squints from the sandlot. I got the name McLovin from super bad that we told you about earlier. They at least made me the orderly where I got to paint the cells. I'd paint it white. They'd let me out because I was just there on an admin hold. Right in the shoe. You only get one phone call a month. They bring a little wall phone built on a cart up to your gate. You get books, if you're lucky, if. If. Unless your people will send it through Amazon to your.

[Todd Chrisley]

To yourself, which they still don't get that to you the way they're supposed to. They steal the stuff that comes in.

[Ian Bick]

It can take weeks. And you can write letters. And I did a lot of, like, reading and writing. Read, like, the Harry Potter series, Twilight, the Hunger Games, things of that nature. And I was there for about another two months. And then in December of 2017, I get. I said, they told me I'm getting designated to a camp that starts with the letter O. My points are finally lower. I could go to a camp, right? Oh, I'm thinking Otisville. So they bring me on the bus again, and I go to the Stuart Air Force Base on the tarmac. Tarmac, where they have a bus for Otisville. The medium in the camp. They have a plane surrounded by U.S. marshals with rifles, and then they have another bus to another prison and stuff. I'm chained. I'm shackled. The belly chain. No, I went right onto the plane, and I'm yelling. I'm like, you guys, I'm going to Otisville, that this is a mistake. No one would tell me anything. They put me on the plane where there's murderers, there's rapists, everyone.

[Todd Chrisley]

And you guys are supposed to be around any of that.

[Ian Bick]

That. Yeah, I'm sitting in between one big guy who was like, what are you here for? Like, how long have you been in prison for? And I tell him what I've been in prison for, and he says he's got life. And he's. He was on his way for a mental health evaluation. Massachusetts. And then he was returning back to the EDX in Colorado. So from the plane, you stop in Ohio, and then that same day, you go to Chicago. And then from there, they take you on a bus again to. Actually from Ohio to Oklahoma City. I was stuck in Oklahoma City, which is a terrible, terrible facility where the plane comes right up to the tarmac that your chain. Shackled. They're transporting like 200 guys at once. You know how long it takes to process 200 guys? You're in the basement, you got a.

[Todd Chrisley]

Bag as low as these damn BOP people were. Yeah, they can't. When. As soon as they run out of fingers and toes, you're.

[Ian Bick]

Yep. There's one toilet for 200 guys that's open. So you have to, you know, use the bathroom in front of them. And they just give you bag lunches. And you're constantly stripping, getting naked, squatting and coughing, changing this clothes, get this evaluation, do this, do that. And then you finally make it up to your room, and you have to wait there for like two weeks until the next plane comes or whenever it is. And then from there, I go to Chicago. I'm stuck in Chicago for two weeks. That was the one where R. Kelly was in that building. And then from there, they transport me on a bus five hours to Wisconsin, to Oxford, Wisconsin, which actually turned out to be a nice facility. There was about 100 guys there. They had a dog program, four man cells or like cubes. But it was at, like, half capacity. It was a good experience. You know, I would. I was the runner, so I would leave the camp to bring back, like, McDonald's or.

[Todd Chrisley]

So you were the runner?

[Ian Bick]

I was the runner, yeah. I'd get 200 bucks, and guys like you would pay me, right? And they would say, hey, my peoples have dropped it on the edge of the road. It was at, like, the edge of the woods, right? So I'd suit up in my greens, wear like a hat because it was cold out there. It was winter time. And I'd run through the snow at the track because there's no cameras there anywhere. So you go around the track, and there was a tree that kind of blocks a view from the prison. You just run through the woods. And I'm running through the woods, through the track, up to the end of the road, and I'd find the bags, garbage bags, grab them and bring them back. And there's McDonald's, there's. We had sushi, we had deep dish pizza. We had phones, we had protein powder, we had sneakers, everything. I had my dad drop me off a bag one time when he came to fly out and visit. The first bag I ever got, I actually lost it. So I had to go back because I thought they were calling count. Because you have a cell phone, you're communicating with the lookout at the camp. So I got nervous and dropped it. So I had to go back out the next two days to look for it in the middle of the woods.

[Todd Chrisley]

And you found it.

[Ian Bick]

I found it. And the McDonald's was still cold because it was snow, so I got it back in there. But the camp was awesome. It's really. You form a good bond with the guys there. It's so laid back. There's one guard. It was in the middle of the government shutdown at the time, in 2018, too, so they weren't really tripping. I worked in the bakery that we had a fresh scratch bakery there. So we were baking breads. We were making bagels, donuts, pizza dough. And then I would also sell cheesecakes on the side. I would hustle cheesecakes for $2 a slice, right? You could either get the crappy commissary cream cheese, or you can smuggle out. Out of the kitchen, the full Philadelphia bricks, right? And eggs and everything like that. So I sold cheesesteaks, our cheesecakes. And then I played softball, played sports, really, you know, worked on my fitness because I was a really heavy kid going into prison. I was chubby. I was a big boy. Baby face. I still have a baby face. But even worse, back then, we lifted weights. I learned about working hours the first time I really lifted. We'd use cinder blocks because they had gotten rid of the weight pits. And the construction guys would, like, help us make weights. And then I had a cell phone, so I was in touch with my family. It's interesting, the economy. So at the low, the cell phones were like $2,000, but at the camp, they're like 200 bucks.

[Todd Chrisley]

That's right.

[Ian Bick]

You charge the phones.

[Todd Chrisley]

And the light paid 700 for my iPhone.

[Ian Bick]

Oh, we didn't have iPhones. I had iPhones because it was hard to charge the iPhone. So that's why we didn't have them, I guess.

[Todd Chrisley]

I paid 700 for my iPhone. And I'm a staff member. She would keep. She would keep it charged and hidden for me. And that warden that was at Pensacola, Sherry Salisbury, bane of everyone's existence, just a piece of dog shit. She was always searching because she. She felt like. Which, you know, some of it was true, that all the information about what she was doing was getting out of that camp because I had a cell phone. Well, that just wasn't true. I mean, yes, I did have a cell phone, but the staff members were calling my daughter, giving her this information. They were taking. They were taking screenshots with their own phones of documents that were fraudulent and things like that and sending them to Savannah. I didn't do that. I Mean, I used my cell phone to talk to my children, you know, to make sure they were okay to check on my mother. My attorneys would not talk to me on a cell phone. I had to do that through the legal call. But, yeah, we had cell phones. I mean, they're everywhere. You're not going to get rid of those cell phones. You're not going to get rid of the cell phones because you just said it was $2,000 at the low to get a phone. And who was bringing that phone into.

[Ian Bick]

You in a low? It's mostly the guards.

[Todd Chrisley]

Thank you. And that's exactly what it was at Pensacola. It was the staff that was bringing in this contraband. They were bringing in vapes, weed pens, you know, chargers, the blocks for your charger, the cords, the. The cell phones, you know, clothing that you wanted, a special pair of tennis shoes, you know, whatever. And my whole thing with that was that, guys, you got to be smarter. You can't be wearing Air Jordans in here when. They don't sell Air Jordans in here. If you're going to. They. They're selling black tennis shoes this month. If you're going to get a tennis shoe, get a black tennis shoe, because that's what they've got on commissary. And so that's. A lot of them would get caught for being stupid. Stupid.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah. Guys with the liquor, too. They would bring in the liquor, they start drinking, and then they breathalyze you. And then guys would get popped all the time.

[Todd Chrisley]

All the time. And they would say, chrisley, can you go do a piss test for me? I'm like, what? And they said, I smoked weed the other day, and I got a ua and I said, they're not gonna let me walk up there and piss Now. We said, you're pissing this cup. So I'd piss in the cup for them, give it to them. They'd put it in a damn. Literally into a condom. And then when they went to piss, they'd poke a hole in the condom and piss in the cup with my piss.

[Ian Bick]

Now, why'd they have condoms in there?

[Todd Chrisley]

That's what they did that far.

[Ian Bick]

Oh, they used them just.

[Todd Chrisley]

They used them for those urine tests.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah, yeah, it was interesting. We'd take, like, protein powder, put in the coffee creamer. They.

[Todd Chrisley]

I've seen that done.

[Ian Bick]

We would do that. I had a. The construction crew made a cutout underneath my bed in the brick for the phone hiding spot. We had magnets under the phones, too, in case you have to, like, throw it up On a light or something. But they do the shakedowns like once a quarter.

[Todd Chrisley]

No, this was in there every day. We had dorm A, B, C and D. She made those staff members, they hated her. She didn't even have staff that liked her. But she had them shaking down a dorm a day.

[Ian Bick]

That's crazy.

[Todd Chrisley]

Looking for my one little cell phone.

[Ian Bick]

They never got it.

[Todd Chrisley]

I gave it that bitch when I left.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah, the people would have like those little pocket ones at the low end. They put it in their head right there. And they were like plastic on like their, on their knit cap. Y and they would just be talking. You see guys like, you think they're talking to themselves. Y But the, the camp is just like a whole nother beast in there. And then the meals these guys make, we were reaching eating like fried rice out of the microwave. Guys would take like 20 or 30 minutes to cook gourmet meals out of these microwaves. They were burning out by the use.

[Todd Chrisley]

Yes.

[Ian Bick]

Of how much food is getting cooked in there. Frying up rice, making huge pizzas, calzones, everything. I thought that was the most interesting perspective about prison is the food and what can be created off of just a commissary.

[Todd Chrisley]

Cody used to make my calzones and my quesadillas. He was one of my kids and I let him do it because he was clean and he always washed his hands. And I had fresh vegetables coming in and you know, so he, I had pepperoni coming in, so pizza sauce from Walmart. And so he would, I would buy the stuff and he would make sure he cooked for everyone.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah.

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[Ian Bick]

And then when I was in the bakery, we would make items for people and sell them and hustle and all that. But it's in the bakery where I almost got raped by a prison guard, a male guard.

[Todd Chrisley]

That happened with this guy Sullivan down there at Pensacola. He sexually assaulted a guy and I got his ass fired and now I'm trying to get him criminally indicted.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah, in my case, the BOP kind of pushed it to the side. I guess they did an investigation. But no, they didn't.

[Todd Chrisley]

They didn't do an investigation because your word means nothing because you're an inmate and they cover for all their fellow degenerates. They cover for. Now that is not the case with this new director, Billy Marshall. He and Josh Smith, the deputy director. If there is a prea accusation made, that person is taken out.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah, it was 5:00am you know, the morning shift goes to the bakery and the guy just calls me, not my cellmate, just me to the bakery because my cellmate worked in the bakery. And I'm sitting there scooping muffin mix. And it's funny because everyone in the comments, like, always writes like, McLovin got his buns taken or almost got his buns taken. So I'm scooping the muffin mix and this guy's like standing next to me all creepily and he starts rubbing my elbow. And then like that rub goes down to like the side of my, you know, hip and then to my butt. It's just like the whole thing was really weird. And this goes on for like five minutes. And then from there I tell my roommates. And the first reaction when I told you earlier was, well, did you get some contraband out of it? And they were like, well, you know, we could get contraband or we could just leave it and not bring heat to the camp. So we left it alone. But then like two weeks later, I'm going in the freezer because normally the freezer's locked. And that's because that's where all the good items are. Like the cookie dough and everything. And I'm going to get a tray of cookies. And normally what officers do is they unlock it and they wait outside.

[Todd Chrisley]

Right.

[Ian Bick]

Or if they're really sweet, they unlock it, leave it when it.

[Todd Chrisley]

You get what you're gonna get.

[Ian Bick]

Exactly.

[Todd Chrisley]

Those are the ones that I paid.

[Ian Bick]

This guy unlocks it and walks into the freezer and shuts the door. And I'm sitting there with these tray of cookies, and it's like a Mexican standoff. He's there, I'm here with these cookies until finally he opens the door, but he forces me to like walk past him with my butt rubbing against his groin. It was crazy. So then I finally reported him, but I was afraid to go the shoe, because in these situations, at least back.

[Todd Chrisley]

Then, the way that the BOP does it is, well, you've now accused one of our staff members of this. So for your own safety, we've got to move you.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah.

[Todd Chrisley]

Rather than. Rather than to move that fucking pervert and get him out of there. They got to protect you.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah. So they. Luckily there was a medium there, so he works at the medium at that time. I got to stay. I only had three months left before halfway house. And I'm emailing every day like the, the Inspector general, whoever is email bull from the computer. I'm saying, hey, like, I'll make. I'll. I'll leave it alone if I could just go home now or like, whatever, right. No response to anything. I even wrote my judge a letter who ordered the U.S. attorney to investigate. And they wrote back saying the BOP is conducting a full investigation and everything's handled. Never heard anything to this day.

[Todd Chrisley]

And seeing the BOP doesn't have to tell you what they're. What their investigation, you know, what they came up with in the investigation.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah, but when I told that story on Tick Tock and it went viral, I did have a guard reach out from the BOP that was at Wisconsin and said, hey, was it Officer so and so? And I said, yes. And he's like, yeah, that dude has had had multiple act.

[Todd Chrisley]

Why are you saying was it Officer so and so? Why do you not say their name? I mean, I give their names.

[Ian Bick]

I just don't want to get involved in anything like that, you know.

[Todd Chrisley]

I will give their names. Sullivan, you piece of shit. You sexually assaulted a friend of mine while at Pensacola. You have now been cut loose from the bop. They're not going to pay for your legal fund, and I am pushing for you to be criminally indicted.

[Ian Bick]

I love your energy, Todd.

[Todd Chrisley]

So no, no, I'm not covering that shit up. Yeah, that's what's wrong right now. In this country and the world as a whole. People are abused and they feed on. They feed on that. The abusers feed on your silence because they feel like that the shame is going to prevent you because you're a guy and it's another guy that did this to you, so you're too ashamed to talk about it, so therefore they're safe to do it again. Someone who's raped, the shame is on the person is on the victim, not on the person who perpetrated it. No. My goal is to make sure that shame lands where it's supposed to land, and that's on the people that actually committed the crime, that committed the abuse. So now I'm out every one of them.

[Ian Bick]

I respect that.

[Todd Chrisley]

You ain't got. First of all, if you. If I saw you mistreat someone, one. I'm going to talk about you. Dennis Profit, Mandy Ramsey, Janet Genalat Sullivan.

[Ian Bick]

But you know what was shocking, too, is how many guys were in solitary for being under investigation for sleeping with female staff. Did you hear about those? Kind of.

[Todd Chrisley]

Well, that went on at Pensacola with a. With someone there, and she was having sex with one of the inmates. Now, I never told it because, listen, it just was what it was. She wasn't being raped, and he was a willing soul. So did I know about it? Yes, I knew about it, but it wasn't my business. And to my understanding, they still communicate. Now, she's no longer there because the prisons closed down. But to my understanding, they still talk.

[Ian Bick]

But apparently, I guess in their eyes, the law is that you can't give consent.

[Todd Chrisley]

That is that. No, that is what the law says. The law says that there is no time that sex with an incarcerated individual can ever be consensual because their right to consent is no longer there.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah, but these guys give tactically consent all the time because in their eyes, they like doing it.

[Todd Chrisley]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, they're having sex. I mean, you know, they've been there for six years and they've had. They've not been with a woman. And then all of a sudden, which all of us, it's always the fat, ugly ones that's doing this. I'm like, damn you. Really? It's been sick. It ain't been long enough for me to have had sex with nobody at Pensacola.

[Ian Bick]

I mean, they can't keep their mouth shut, though, to the guys. They go right back to the room. Oh, I just begged this Case manager and this and that. Yep. And that's what gets them into trouble.

[Todd Chrisley]

Their own worst enemies. And I used to say that to. I said, y' all would tell on Jesus to God. I said, you literally would tell on Jesus to God. And I said, if y' all would learn to shut up, they wouldn't have shit on you. But y' all love to talk. And they would. They would. They would look at me like they were so shocked. I remember the guy Griffin, who worked at. And Griffin was a decent guy. He worked in food services. And I remember one time I was walking by, and he goes, chrisley, how are you today? And I said, better than I deserve, I'm sure. And he started laughing. He said, we was talking about you the other day, that, you know, you'd have been okay in a low. He said, because you had ran your car. And I said, my car? And because I didn't know what that meant, he said, yeah, you know, like, in higher institution levels, you know, you have a car, and you get the black car, the white car, the Puerto Rican car. He said, we were talking about, you know, you would have ran your car. And then someone else spoke up, said, no, he would have ran all the cars because he's friends with every person that's in every car. Because I did have a good relationship and made friends with everyone. I didn't have any altercations except with one guy, Rick Singer, who was the snitch with the damage.

[Ian Bick]

You were with him?

[Todd Chrisley]

Yes.

[Ian Bick]

Oh, man.

[Todd Chrisley]

And, you know, I. I was friends with some of the people that, you know, that he snitched on Felicity Huffman and, you know, Bill Macy and Aunt Becky and, you know, all those people. I know. And he came there, and he was always, like, in such a competition with me, and I didn't even know him. And he would say, you know, when I came, there was more press here than when Chrisley came. Are you really proud of that? You are known as the biggest snitch in the country at this point from Varsity Blues. And so. And he would lie to these people, these young kids all the time. And he made a mistake about saying something about Savannah and the advocacy that she was doing. And so I don't care what you say about me. You can call me every cocksucker on the face of the earth. I don't care. But when you drag my children or my wife's name up in something, you will find out that salt and sugar look the same, but they taste different.

[Ian Bick]

Chase told me this story last night. I didn't know. It was about Rick Singer.

[Todd Chrisley]

I literally. And I caught. I was coming in, he was walking out, and I said, you. He said, yeah, what's up? And I said, I'm going to say this to you one time. Keep my fucking child's name out of your mouth, or I will rip your head off and shit down your neck. Do you understand me?

[Ian Bick]

You.

[Todd Chrisley]

I said, you have. The only thing you're ever going to be famous for is being a snitch. Do you understand that? You're nasty. You're foul. You don't bathe, you don't change your bedding. You are nasty. You are yesterday's leftovers. That's all you are. Don't ever mention my child's name again, or I will drag you from one end of this camp to the next. And I remember everyone from my podcast, some had gone, said, todd's getting ready to fight Singer. And they all come running down through the hallway and they're like. And when they. They said, when they cut the corner, that I was. He was backed up against the wall, and I was in his face. And they said, we just knew you had it, so we didn't bother getting involved. So there was not anything. That was the only altercation that I had. And in the end, he tried to. He came back and apologized and said he was out of line and that he was sorry and that. Was there any way that, you know, he and I could have a friendship? And I said, no, there's not. I said, I appreciate your apology. I said, but you're still a snitch that apologized. I said, I ain't got shit for you. And just so you know, nobody here likes you. Not even staff, not even inmates. You have no friends, and you had no friends outside of here, which is why your ass has never been married and has no children. So he was the only person I ever had an altercation with. But. But the rest of my head, great friendships with. And I'm still. I'm still in touch with everyone.

[Ian Bick]

How much time did he end up getting? It wasn't that long.

[Todd Chrisley]

Well, he told on every. Like I said, he told on Jesus to God, so it wasn't a person he left out. Now, keep in mind those. Those convictions have now been overturned, and they did not stick. The only people's convictions that stuck were the ones that took plea deals. Because, you know, the federal government instills such fear in you. Well, if you don't take these, you know, these two months, it could be 20 years. So, you know, with Lori Laughlin and her husband Massimo. They scared them to death over something that they didn't do. I've been paying for private school tuition ever since my kids went to school. As soon as I signed them up, it wasn't three days later. The fundraising committee was on the phone. Want to know, can you donate to this building? Can you donate to this. This building? Hell, I've done. I built 10 buildings over the course of all six of my kids going to private school. How did. That's. That's now against the law. So now the Supreme Court threw those convictions out.

[Ian Bick]

I didn't realize they got thrown out.

[Todd Chrisley]

Yes, except for the ones that pled guilty. So, you know, it's my understanding that Rick is now back doing the same. He's now back doing educational consulting again. So go figure.

[Ian Bick]

You can't make this stuff.

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[Todd Chrisley]

He ended up like three years. He ended up with like three years after snitching on everybody. If you go tell on everyone, you need to go home that day.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah. Or get a few months.

[Todd Chrisley]

Right. And you end up getting like three years or something.

[Ian Bick]

The people he stitched. I got less time.

[Todd Chrisley]

Yes, exactly. So, you know, I mean, it's. My experience was way different than yours. I was there for 28 months. And you were there for how long?

[Ian Bick]

Eight. About 28 months.

[Todd Chrisley]

So about 28 months, too.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah. I did it on 36 because I got between good times.

[Todd Chrisley]

I did 28 months on 12 years.

[Ian Bick]

Hey. Yeah. But you got a pardon.

[Todd Chrisley]

I did get a part.

[Ian Bick]

I was. I was just getting out right when he signed the CARES act in 20. I got out in January 2019. That was signed in 2018. So I didn't get any of those benefits. It was a fight just to get three or four months of halfway house. They weren't giving anything.

[Todd Chrisley]

They're not giving it because they want job security and because they're not there doing their jobs. How many times was your case manager not in their office. Office working.

[Ian Bick]

Oh, on. So they have open house during lunchtime.

[Todd Chrisley]

They wouldn't even show up to it.

[Ian Bick]

Their doors are shut. They make you feel bad about knocking. It's. I saw my unit manager or case manager whenever the date was. And it's always a fight to see them. They're. They're the most unhelpful people ever.

[Todd Chrisley]

It's literally when I tell you the case managers at Pensacola were just disgusting. Janet Genalat was the worst form of humanity that's ever been when it. She should never even be allowed to be around animals Let alone children, kids or adults, whatever. But she just was a foul human being and ignorant. She didn't know how to do her job. And you had Ms. Washington, who was the sweetest soul, but they never trained her, never gave her any, any of the training that she needed to have in order to know how to do it. Mamala, who was the case man, he was the unit manager. He was over these case managers, but never made Genillette do her job. Was almost like he was afraid of her and he didn't do his job, you know, so if you've got a unit manager that's not doing their job, what do you think the ones under them are going to do? So, you know, you had Ms. Bertrand. Ms. Bertrand tried to help as many men as she could. And she was a decent, good person, but, you know, gentle at wasn't worth a shit. Oh, oh. This little short fat fucker over in bnc, he wasn't worth a shit either. Because, you know, a lot of these people come in from military and then they automatically roll into the BOP and they get to keep their time keeps accruing. So if they were in the military for 10 years, they come in the BOP with 10 years of service. Service. So that's how they calculate that. So he wasn't worth a shit. The only one that was there that was really any good was Ms. Bertrand. And she got to hell out when she saw all the corruption that was going on and how these men were not being given what they were supposed to be getting. She literally left the BOP and left the time that she had accrued because she could no longer be a part of it.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah. Since saying the halfway house was even worse, I.

[Todd Chrisley]

Since I have been on my mission, I have fired up so many in the halfway houses that I am working with the head of all of the halfway houses throughout the United States now. And Dana has been amazing. She says, you bring me any complaint that you get and it will be dealt with. And when I tell you she has dealt with her, she is running her job within the Bureau of Prisons. If I send her a complaint over someone not showing up at that halfway house to work or not giving these men their time to go get a job or helping them, whatever, it's. She turns it around in a matter of a day.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah. When I was there, it was worse than prison. Guys would literally walk outside and say, take me back. The food was worse. The restrictions. You have case managers that are younger than you that just use as a stepping stone.

[Todd Chrisley]

That's right.

[Ian Bick]

Like we were talking about earlier, who wants that specific job? They want the job after that.

[Todd Chrisley]

That's right.

[Ian Bick]

So they didn't care.

[Todd Chrisley]

But even the job after that's a piece of shit job. You started out. First of all, I would rather say that my daughter played the piano in a whorehouse than worked for the bop. It is just that low. It's just such a low form of humanity. And for you to say, oh, I work for a halfway house. Oh, Burger King wasn't hiring.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah, that's the equivalent.

[Todd Chrisley]

That's literally what it is.

[Ian Bick]

Because they're getting paid. I think at the time it was like 16, 17, 18 bucks an hour to babysit the guys there.

[Todd Chrisley]

And they're in there bringing contraband, selling fucking contraband. And so, you know, Dana has been wonderful with the Bureau of Prisons of reeling those halfway houses in and forcing accountability with that. But again, she is a direct promotion from Billy Marshall, the director. He has handpicked these people to go into these positions that where they were so lacking for so many decades, he's now placing the right people in the right positions. So I'm seeing the change. And listen, you clearly know that I am no fan of the Bureau of Prisons or the ass liquors that are there working. But at the end of the day, I will say that I have had some. I did have some good relationships with some good staff members. Now people are going to say when they hear me say that, well, of course they were good to you. You were paying them. Not all of them. There were two that I didn't pay. But. But these people, a lot of them were not doing it for the money. They were doing it because of the inhumanity that was going on that they would say, listen, if like one kid, he needed a prescription and he could not get it for his medicine because the medical is so horrendous in the Bureau of Prisons. And I had the medicine called in. She picked it up at a pharmacy there in Pensacola, brought it in, and I gave it to him and he squirted it out of that tube and put it in a piece of plastic and he put that ointment on until he was cleared up. So we was doing the Lord's work. So a lot of the staff members that were bringing in stuff now, my phones and stuff that I know they're not supposed to be doing that, but they did. And they needed the money. They had mortgage payments to make, they had car payments to make. And however they managed their money, clearly they were not managing it well.

[Ian Bick]

What happened to them? Did they get in trouble.

[Todd Chrisley]

I've never told on them, nor would I ever. I only tell on the ones that I didn't like.

[Ian Bick]

Say what you want about Todd Chrisley's not a snitch.

[Todd Chrisley]

I ain't no Rick Singer.

[Ian Bick]

No, you should put that a shirt.

[Todd Chrisley]

I ain't no Rick Singer. But I have only told on staff members that were abusive. Like, I didn't tell on staff members because they were just stupid. I'd have been talking all the time then. But, you know, if you were abusive or you made a racial slur or you were mistreating someone in a way that you were trying to make yourself elevate yourself by making you seem like you were in more control of this person. Yeah, I got rid of you. Now 19 people were taken out of there.

[Ian Bick]

Billy is who you had on your show, right? Yes, I was watching that interview.

[Todd Chrisley]

Yes.

[Ian Bick]

Is he the. There's one person that works at the Department of Justice that went to prison themselves.

[Todd Chrisley]

That's Josh Smith.

[Ian Bick]

Okay. Have you had him on?

[Todd Chrisley]

Yes. Josh is a. No, I had Billy, and I had Rick Stover, who's over the fsa, who's doing a great job. And I know that because I see the numbers and I see the people that are moving. But Billy Marshall is like. He's like John Dutton from Yellowstone. That's the only way that I can convey it. He's like John Dutton from Yellowstone. He's take no prisoners now. He's not going to mess with you, but don't you. Don't you shit in his. In his messcap. And that goes for the staff members. If you are doing something that's wrong, if you are stealing from the government, if you are not showing up on your job and you're banging in for five minutes and then leaving for the rest of the day and then coming and having somebody bang you out later that afternoon, that's fraud. I had that happening down at Pensacola, too. Our former captain there was forging federal documents on payroll. And they. Because of our investigation that we. Cause he was demoted to a counselor's position. He went from captain to counselor, but as the BoP typically does, he was transferred from there to another facility so he can do the same shit again somewhere else. Captain Hawley. I love to make sure people get credit for what they do. So Captain Hawley was forging federal documents there, and he was demoted as a captain and then was placed as a counselor. And now he went to somewhere upstate New York. But I don't. The people that. That helped me were good to me and it was transactional. But I never saw them mistreat anyone. I never saw them speak down to anyone. And they were always try. They always did try to be helpful to everyone. Then you had the other ones that were just there to abuse. That's all they were there for. They were the fat ugly kid their whole life. Their own mama said they was ugly. So that tells you you.

[Ian Bick]

And we know you're anti ugly.

[Todd Chrisley]

I don't, you know, listen. I gravitate towards things of beauty, you know, homes, cars, my children, my wife. But if you. You can be physically unattractive but have a great personality and be a good person and then all of a sudden you don't look that unattractive, but you can't be all this can't be fucked up and then everything behind that fucked up. Because then you were just literally to the bone ugly. So that I can't be around. That's distracting to me. And the guards were just so unkept and you know, big fat guts hanging out and please the own. Like I said, the only time they was going to ever speed up was to go to a child line.

[Ian Bick]

And they're all trained with guns too. That's the crazy part.

[Todd Chrisley]

And there's some fat that take them for. They'd already be shot nine times before they could get tears out of the holster.

[Ian Bick]

You want them working the perimeter though, if you're gonna make an escape.

[Todd Chrisley]

Do you understand that we had some that were so fat that they would not literally. They rode around in a golf cart because they could.

[Ian Bick]

I've seen it think about in Wisconsin. These guys are some big guys and women. Yeah, I couldn't call yourself working law enforcement. That's crazy.

[Todd Chrisley]

It's embarrassing. But again, going back to Billy Marshall, he is implementing a fitness program for the Bureau of Prisons that if you are. That if you are not the proper body weight, if you're not in hell in good health and you cannot pass these stringent physical tests, just like the FBI, just like Cash Patel has put in place with the FBI, there is a standard. And if you can't meet that standard, you should not be in that position. And the Bureau of Prisons, because nobody wants to work there, you understand that. That it's rated out of 435 federal agencies. The Bureau of Prisons is 435.

[Ian Bick]

Well, you got the billboards all around. We're hiring, we need help. Bonus this and that.

[Todd Chrisley]

But. But. And what does it tell you when people. When nobody wants to work there.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah.

[Todd Chrisley]

Even the ass clowns that are there don't want to work there. They show up and sleep on their job, sit out in their vehicle on the cell phone, sleeping. And they're trying to make money off of the. Off of the guys that are there that can cat. That can have money. Cash app to a 13 cousin twice removed. Like we're not smart enough to track that. Okay.

[Ian Bick]

It needs a lot of work.

[Todd Chrisley]

Exactly.

[Ian Bick]

But they got people like you fighting the good fight.

[Todd Chrisley]

I will continue to do what I'm doing today for as long as God allows me to do it. And the bureau knows that. They know that. They know I'm not going anywhere. These wardens know that because since I have been involved, there have been several wardens that the director has had walked out.

[Ian Bick]

That was unheard of in California, too, the sexual assault ones and so on. Dublin.

[Todd Chrisley]

Dublin. But Billy Marshall's not playing with you. So if you want to. If you want to come to work for an agency that is under a complete reboot, that's going to have good people coming in, you come to the Bureau of Prisons now. Because under him, that's going to happen. And it's happening every day.

[Ian Bick]

And this is all nonprofit work for you.

[Todd Chrisley]

Yes. I don't get paid. My. My greatest accomplishment is, like I said today, I got up this morning and I had had a text message where six guys, their dates were miscalculated again, incorrectly, have now been recalculated. They're going home today. That is my blessing. That is my payment. So, you know, people will say on social media, I don't hear you. I don't hear you posting about people that you're getting out because it ain't your business. It's not my job to put somebody else's personal affairs out there. If they want to talk about it, it. They'll talk about it. Now I'm getting ready to have a podcast here in the next month or so that's going to have about 40 former incarcerated individuals that are coming here to Nashville that I did help get home. And they will share their stories, but they wanted to do that. I didn't put their business out there. They will tell their story. The first time it's heard, they will tell it. It's not my place to do that. I'm not Rick Singer, so, you know, so, I mean, I'm. I'm blessed to be in a position to. To lend my voice to those that don't have one. And for that, I'm grateful.

[Ian Bick]

I like that.

[Todd Chrisley]

So what's next for you?

[Ian Bick]

Ever Since I, you know, went down this journey, I never thought that social media would be the, the thing that that kind of changes my life. It's kind of similar to what I was doing back in the day. Party promoting, concert promoting. Podcasting is similar. You know, you're booking talent, right? You're promoting in the sense of clips and putting it out there. And you have people buying tickets, which is watching on YouTube or Spotify and Apple. And it's really opened up this whole new life for me. It's my full time job and, you know, being able to travel around, go to different places. I was just in Saudi Arabia because Mr. Beast had invited me to Beastland, right. Because I was in a Mr. Beast video. Earlier this year, I went back to prison for 100 days with a cop. We had to survive 100 days. And I went through the screening process was, you know, incredible because they were casting for a felon, which is really hard for a production company to do. And I got in and did the 100 day challenge and won.

[Todd Chrisley]

So where did you do the Hundred Day Challenge?

[Ian Bick]

In North Carolina. He built a whole prison. It was real, like down from no Contra. Like this is the strictest prison in America this guy built, right? No cell phones, nothing. And there'd be. Have you ever watched a Mr. Beast video? There's like different challenges and different ways to win money and all of these things. So I won it and applied it to restitution. So now I had a 500 grand restitution when I got sentenced. So now I'm down to about 194. So my goal this year is to have that all paid off. Working on some like development stuff with my story and maybe adapting like the podcast for tv. Because each individual story is a story in itself.

[Todd Chrisley]

Right.

[Ian Bick]

My podcast isn't like a chit chat type. It's more like let the guest talk, share their story.

[Todd Chrisley]

Right.

[Ian Bick]

So I'm going to continue growing that and scaling that. It's, you know, fully independent. I do all my own editing, I make all my own clips and I have my buddy Matt that's here and, and my girlfriend Leticia that have been helping to like run the socials and grow it even more. But.

[Todd Chrisley]

Right.

[Ian Bick]

And it's all just normal people that come on the show. We have people from all over the country that have been affected by the criminal justice system, whether they're an inmate, a victim, law enforcement. I do a ton of law enforcement interviews and we just get these stories and let them talk.

[Todd Chrisley]

Because who are some of your more your More notable guests that you've had.

[Ian Bick]

Well, now I have you to add to the list. But Teresa Giudice, Lamar Odom talked about his addiction story and what happened in Vegas that night.

[Todd Chrisley]

Right.

[Ian Bick]

I'm not sure if you're familiar with the rapper Max B, but he just got out of prison a few weeks ago, and I was able to get him. Right. Fresh out of prison. So that interview is doing really well.

[Todd Chrisley]

Right.

[Ian Bick]

He's has songs with like, French Montana and stuff.

[Todd Chrisley]

Right.

[Ian Bick]

George Santos, who was also pardoned last year. And then we will do Actors like RJ Mitt from Breaking Bad, who plays Walt Jr. Was an incredible interview because you're hearing the experience of someone that had to learn the role of like, say, a drug addict or someone that was involved in crime. I just interviewed Sarah, who played Dr. Chan Coretti on Prison Break the other day. So we're getting names like that. And now that I think what Trump really was able to do was get people more comfortable with talking about.

[Todd Chrisley]

About their trade.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah. About felonies, about prison. It's like, I think five years ago, what I do now wouldn't have necessarily been accepted.

[Todd Chrisley]

Right.

[Ian Bick]

Because it's so hard to break through. I mean, you were telling me earlier about, you know, what say publicists or whatnot. We're giving you a warning about doing the show. So it's just interesting in that regard.

[Todd Chrisley]

No, no, not giving me a warning about you doing the show with you. They wanted to make sure that I knew what the content was.

[Ian Bick]

Gotcha.

[Todd Chrisley]

There was no issue with you.

[Ian Bick]

Oh, well, the content. The exact. That's what I mean. Not me specifically, more like the show itself because it is hard to get the bigger names onto a show that. Of what it represents on when you're looking at it.

[Todd Chrisley]

Right. And you know, and I think that. And again, it goes back to what we talked about earlier about shame. Shame is like cancer. If you feed it, it will spread. And for. Since the beginning of time, people have tried to shame people for mistakes that they have made while at the same time cloaking themselves in Christianity. If you are a good, decent, honorable Christian and you're adhering to those Christian principles, you are to lift your brother up when he is down. You're not to stomp him. So I don't have any shame. Maybe I'm just too dumb to know what, you know, that I'm supposed to or something. But I don't have any shame because I know that what we went to prison for, we didn't do. But I still went to Prison. So I am still your brother in prison. I'm still every. Every person that went to prison, I'm now tied to you that way. And I'm not going to try to. If I can't help you, I'm not going to hurt you. And I just think that when you talk about President Trump, he's opened the door for people to be able to tell their truth. That's a wonderful thing. And it shouldn't just. It shouldn't take a president of the United States to do that. That we should be doing that. You know, as our neighbors and our brothers and sisters in Christ, we should be giving someone a safe place to land to be able to talk about how they got to where they. To how they talk about how they ended up where they ended up and how they are where they are today. I think it all begins at home. It all begins. And when I say home, I'm saying your safe place. That's where it should be. That's where it should begin. It should begin within you. And I try to be a safe place for as many people as I can possibly be that for. And are there people that I don't like? Yeah, there's a lot of people I don't like, but I don't dislike anyone to the point of, like, trying to harm them. I loathe Sherry Salisbury, the warden at our facility. I loathe people like Sullivan and. And Genat and Dennis Prophet and Mandy Ramsey and, you know, those kind of people. I loathe them. But God's going to handle them. And when you think about it and you look at how miserable their lives are, he already is. He already is. Karma. That bitch stays busy.

[Ian Bick]

Yeah, that's true.

[Todd Chrisley]

One thing is for certain and two things are for sure. If she owes you a visit, she's going to show up. So I am blessed to be able to have the platform that I have for, you know, blessed to do the things that we do as a family and that we're back together. So I don't bring anger forward like that because I'm not going to allow it to fester inside of me. I love that you're not doing that yet. You're. You've taken a bad situation, and yours was far worse than mine. But you've taken a bad situation and you've turned it into something positive. And guess what, Ian? That's what the system did not want you to do.

[Ian Bick]

No, definitely not.

[Todd Chrisley]

The system is set up to destroy you, and you did not allow the system to do that. So for that. Get up every day, look in the mirror and pat yourself on the back and say, job well done. Because you did that.

[Ian Bick]

Thank you.

[Todd Chrisley]

So I'm grateful and blessed that you came on the podcast today. I will let some Julie know that you want to do a podcast with her.

[Ian Bick]

I'd love to interview while your ass.

[Todd Chrisley]

Wipes back here playing their cell phones. I mean, can you believe that?

[Ian Bick]

Yeah, someone's gotta let them go, you know? No, I'd love to interview Julie. I think it would be great.

[Todd Chrisley]

I will speak to her today about that. And you've got Savannah tomorrow.

[Ian Bick]

Yep. I'm looking forward to it.

[Todd Chrisley]

Listen, it's been a pleasure, buddy. God bless you.

[Ian Bick]

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[Todd Chrisley]

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[Ian Bick]

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[Todd Chrisley]

You're welcome.