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Church History Matters – Episode 185: Can Science and Religion Coexist? | Science & Religion
Date: December 30, 2025
Hosts: Scott and Casey

Episode Overview

This episode launches a new series delving into the perceived and real tensions between science and religion, particularly within the context of the Latter-day Saint (LDS) tradition. Scott and Casey set out to explore whether the longstanding "battlefield" between the laboratory and the chapel is a genuine conflict or a manufactured dilemma. They argue that not only are science and religion compatible, but LDS theology and history are uniquely positioned to embrace both in the pursuit of truth. This episode focuses on laying groundwork: discussing major historical moments, LDS doctrinal perspectives, and outlining the series' structure.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Historical Context: The Science vs. Religion Narrative

• The Galileo Affair ([07:36]–[10:20])

  • Casey recounts Galileo’s clash with the Catholic Church over heliocentrism as the classic example of religion suppressing scientific progress.

    “He had to recant everything that he said. His book was banned and he was under permanent house arrest for the rest of his life.” (Casey, [09:13])

  • Acknowledgement that such conflicts have occurred but are not the whole story.

• Persistent Voices of Conflict

  • Scott references 19th-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll and contemporary atheist Richard Dawkins, who claim that religion and science are fundamentally incompatible and that religion obstructs the pursuit of truth ([10:20]).

    “As the centuries go by, religion has less and less room to exist and perform its obscurantist interference with the search for truth.” (Richard Dawkins, [00:04], echoed by Scott at [12:41])

The Spirit of Reconciliation: LDS Perspectives

• Counterpoints from Religious and Scientific Voices

  • Casey shares Elder Jeffrey R. Holland’s rebuke of scientific hubris and Albert Einstein’s famous quote:

    “Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.” (Albert Einstein, [00:14], referenced by Casey at [13:54])

  • Brigham Young’s synthesis:

    “For there is no true religion without true science, and consequently, there is no true science without true religion.” (Brigham Young, [15:11])

• LDS Theology's Unique Position

  • The Restoration occurred post-Enlightenment, so the LDS Church sidestepped much of the earlier baggage from strict Medieval religious orthodoxy ([16:18]).
  • The Church has generally been open to scientific discovery and technological progress—leaders and members have participated robustly in scientific inquiry ([16:18]–[19:58]).

    “We get to start kind of with a leg up almost, we kind of… skip the bad parts.” (Scott, [19:42])

Fundamental LDS Principles: All Truth Welcomed

• Embracing All Truth—Scripture and Prophets

  • Joseph Smith’s expansive assertion:

    “Mormonism is truth. …the first and fundamental principle of our holy religion is that we believe that we have a right to embrace all and every item of truth without limitation…” (Scott, [21:15])

  • Brigham Young, Parley P. Pratt, and others championed education—including science— as integral to religious faith ([23:40]–[27:32]).

    “Our religion embraces it all. It matters not what the subject be, if it tends to improve the mind, exalt the feelings and enlarge the capacity.” (Scott quoting Brigham Young, [22:41])

• Early LDS Scientific Enthusiasm

  • Anecdotes about LDS apostles’ backgrounds in science and higher education—at one time nearly half the Quorum of the Twelve were professors ([24:16]–[26:49]).

    “In the 1930s, being a professor at the University of Utah made it likely you’d be called into the quorum of the 12.” (Casey, [26:34])

Doctrinal Examples: God Sanctions All Learning

• Doctrine & Covenants Insights

  • Section 88 prescribes a curriculum for the "School of the Prophets" encompassing both sacred and secular subjects ([28:08]–[30:45]).

  • Section 101’s millennial promise: God will reveal all hidden, scientific, and spiritual mysteries ([31:29]).

    "College in the millennium is going to be great. Right? Because every class will be a religion class and every class will also be a science class. And it’s literally the creator of the universe saying, yeah, here's how I did that." (Casey, [33:15])

The Nature of Knowledge: Science, Religion, and Agnosticism

• Dr. Jamie Jensen’s “Symbiotic Paths”

  • Science: Gathering evidence from the natural world to explain phenomena.
  • Religion: Gathering spiritual evidence to find explanations for spiritual truths ([34:23]-[38:29]).

    “Both religion and science use similar processes to find truth. They seek evidence and then they perform tests…” (Casey paraphrasing Dr. Jensen, [35:44])

• Scriptural Parallels to Scientific Method

  • Moroni 10 and Alma 32 are likened to hypothesis testing—experimenting upon the word ([38:29]-[40:40]).

• Science as Agnostic

  • Science is not atheistic or theistic; it takes no position on the existence of God.

    “There is no scientific evidence that proves or disproves God's existence.” (Scott, [41:18]) "Science isn’t for God or against God. It’s neutral, basically." (Casey, [42:50])

• Dogmatism: The Real Obstacle

  • Both scientific and religious dogmatism hinder learning. True wisdom requires humility and openness ([44:24]–[48:39]).

    “Dogmatism in either science or religion shuts down your ability to learn and grow.” (Dr. Jensen, via workshop participant, [45:58]) “The wisest kind of humans are the kind that are willing to rethink their assumptions in light of new information.” (Scott, referencing Adam Grant, [48:39])

Distinct But Complementary Domains

• Different “Questions” for Different “Tools”
  • Science answers who, what, when, where; religion answers why ([49:57]-[53:07]).

    "Scientific endeavor is primarily interested in answering the questions of who, what, when and where. But there’s one question that science isn't really designed to answer, and that's why." (Casey, [51:55])

  • Importance of not forcing scriptures to answer scientific questions, or science to answer existential ones.

Notable Quotes & Moments

• Brigham Young on Science and Religion ([15:11]):

  “There is no true religion without true science, and consequently, there is no true science without true religion.”

• Parley P. Pratt’s Synthesis ([24:08]):

  “Theology is also the science of knowledge, the key and the power that opens the heavens, granting access to boundless wisdom and intelligence... All other sciences are seen as branches growing from theology.”

• Joseph Smith on Truth ([21:15]):

  “The first and fundamental principle of our holy religion is that we believe that we have a right to embrace all and every item of truth without limitation…”

• Russell M. Nelson’s Caution ([46:43]):

  “There is no conflict between science and religion. Conflict only arises from an incomplete knowledge of either science or religion or both.”

• Elder Stephen L. Richards’ Counsel ([53:07]):

  “…never close your mind or your heart. Ever keep them open to the reception of both knowledge and spiritual impressions. Both true science and true religion are the exponents of truth...”

Structure & Upcoming Episodes

• Part 1 (current/future): How to reconcile scientific discovery and religious belief as a general framework, focusing on ideas and theology using LDS tools and perspectives.

• Part 2: The history of science within the LDS tradition, exploring personalities, controversies, and efforts at harmonization.

  “No real bad guys here as we tell this story. Just people that believed passionately that they were doing the right thing...” (Casey, [04:40])

• Next up: A deep dive into reading scripture (especially Genesis) alongside modern science; upcoming interviews with experts like Dr. Jamie Jensen.

Timestamps for Key Segments

• The Host's Approach and Series Outline ([02:06], [04:40])
• Galileo and Religion-Opposed Science ([07:36])
• Skeptics’ Voices: Ingersoll & Dawkins ([10:20])
• LDS Theology's View of Science ([15:10], [16:18])
• D&C's Embrace of Secular and Sacred Learning ([28:08], [31:29])
• Science and Religion's Methodological Differences ([34:23], [38:29])
• Science’s Agnosticism Explained ([41:18], [42:50])
• Dogmatism vs. Openness ([45:58], [48:39])
• Science vs. Religion: The Questions They Answer ([49:57], [51:55])
• Advice from Elder Richards ([53:07])

Episode Tone

The hosts’ tone is conversational, reflective, and encouraging. They combine candid historical acknowledgment with enthusiasm for both faith and reason, echoing the optimism and openness of early LDS leaders.

Conclusion

Scott and Casey argue persuasively that not only can science and religion coexist, but LDS doctrine and history invite a unique and fruitful approach to integrating the two. By embracing truth from all sources—be it the microscope or the scriptures—they urge listeners to cultivate humility, patience, and lifelong curiosity. The upcoming episodes will continue to grapple with the “meaty stuff”: how Latter-day Saints can faithfully read scripture in light of science and how the church's history reflects this complicated, ongoing dance between reason and revelation.