Brand Warfare, Bad Movies, and the Wet Boys | Jarred Taylor | Ep. 430

Summary

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Cleared Hot Podcast Ep. 430

Brand Warfare, Bad Movies, and the Wet Boys | Jarred Taylor
Host: Andy Stumpf
Guest: Jarred "JT" Taylor
Air Date: January 30, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode reunites Andy Stumpf with long-time friend and military/veteran entrepreneur Jarred Taylor ("JT") for a signature freewheeling conversation. The two dive deep into the evolution of the veteran influencer sphere, the absurdities and awesomeness of niche internet communities, creative uses of AI and technology in branding, the psychology of social media, and, of course, flight simulators and questionable cinematic masterpieces. With tangents galore—ranging from "brand warfare" to a bank-heist getaway vehicle challenge—the episode balances laughs with honest introspection about culture, community, and personal change in the face of the digital age.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Military Past & Veteran Brands

• Jarred reflects on his unique military journey as an Air Force JTAC embedded with regular Army units, noting how those years built deep but scattered recognition in the veteran community.
• Discussion about Nine Line Apparel and Andy's love for their "miniature dachshund" merch, with a detour into canine history and the hilarity of dog breeds bred "to fight lions."
  • [04:37] Andy: “They were bred to fight lions.”
  • [04:39] JT: “Fight lions...”
• JT recalls his first apparel venture ("Beer Drinking Bomb Droppers")—creating shirts for a tiny global community of JTACs—and traces the explosion of veteran-run brands back to the 2012-2019 social media boom.

2. Brand Building & AI's Role in Creative Work

• JT breaks down how AI tools like ChatGPT, Upscale, and Photoshop/Illustrator have transformed brand and design workflows, letting him go from ideation to usable files in under an hour (versus weeks before).
  • [15:30] JT: "Now you can have ChatGPT give you 10 variations ... the old method ... would take a week and a half, two weeks for us to get a final T-shirt design. Now you can do it in an hour."
• They discuss how the skill today isn’t “being an illustrator,” but knowing how to prompt and guide AI—akin to “piloting an aircraft.”
  • [14:16] JT: “Using ChatGPT for art is like ... you have to know how to pilot that aircraft.”

3. AI, Media Manipulation, & Societal Vulnerabilities

• The conversation turns to the double-edged sword of rapid tech advances and free speech in an open society. JT notes foreign adversaries (especially China) have weaponized US media and speech freedoms by flooding digital discourse with divisive content.
  • [23:23] JT: "About 50,000 pieces of written media were being flooded into blogs and news from China—25,000 opposing and 25,000 rooting for the banning [of the confederate flag]. All they want is for us to fight each other and not pay attention to them."
• Both echo concern about social media’s psychological impact, addictive design, and ever-shrinking positivity/entertainment.
  • [33:30] Michael: "If you're online a couple hours a day, you give me two more hours per day—dude, I can get some stuff done and so can everybody else listening..."

4. The Rise and Fall (and Fatigue) of Influencer Culture

• JT grapples with why he stepped back from front-facing social and pod content: burnout, inauthentic audience expectations, and a shift from positive engagement to outrage-fueled discourse.
  • [30:59] JT: "I did not like the shift in the behavior of some of the audience ... they played into the character ... like, you think I'm Steve."
  • [40:54] JT: “When are you going to say something about the Ukraine? … Like, I talk about funny things on the Internet. Why do you care what my opinion on Ukraine is?”
• He diagnoses the pattern: a golden era of positivity (2012-2016), followed by a glut of imitators, engagement-jealousy, outrage, and now insistent demands for hot takes on every issue.

5. Escapism, Niche Subcultures, and the Joy of Sim Anything

• JT finds relief and creativity in “escapism”—whether via the short-lived podcast "Time for Pie" or via hyper-immersive flight sims and the “Wet Boys”: a tongue-in-cheek elite digital aerial demonstration team.
  • [67:03] JT: "We are the Wet Boys ... We started making claims that we had 18 worldwide trophies for E Demonstration until they started getting angry..."
• Extended riff on the absurd dedication of e-simulator air show teams, with the Wet Boys mock-feuding with the digital “E Blue Angels.”
• JT previews his innovative “4D entertainment” plan: a trilogy of novels and corresponding digital flight missions, with actual pilots, all blending fiction and online community.

6. Movies: Bad, Brilliant, & Bizarre

• Rapid-fire takes on “House of Dynamite,” "Arrival," "The Beekeeper," "From Paris with Love," and meta-observations on Hollywood vs. Netflix's future.
  • [48:53] JT: "I mean [the big studios] don’t ... They’re gone. Superheroes? That stuff is almost like d-- it’s..."
• JT’s ideal movie: skip the character arc, make the hero invincible from frame one; Andy counters that a good story needs vulnerability.
• They skewer “news” and social influencer cycles—the urge to produce a take before knowing the facts, especially after tragedies.

7. Big Picture: Technology, Aliens, and Existential Fun

• JT, channeling astrophysicist David Kipping ("Cool Worlds"), lays out cosmic scale and the practical impossibility of meaningful contact within an active, evolutionary timescale—our concept of time and distance is just too small.
  • [53:31] JT: "That is just one star that we know that is that big ... What if they're so goddamn big, they have nothing [to do with] us? We're like a marble to them."
• Theories range from simulation hypotheses to “terraforming ourselves post-nuke” to “video-game area limits”—framed half in jest, half in true sci-fi imagination.

8. Project Brainstorms & the Ultimate Getaway Vehicle

• The two outline a (real?) plan: assemble a team—including a car chase and law enforcement expert—to build and test the perfect post-bank-heist getaway ride, pitting it against actual police.
  • [96:30] JT: “What it is, is I want to bring in Texas Dave, you and me, a police expert ... build the be-all, end-all getaway vehicle for a bank heist."
• Discussion of specs, legal, tactical elements, and who on the crew must get tased for authenticity.
• Pledges to execute the project on camera and reward the “winning” police department with free coffee for a year.

9. Motorsports, Pastrana, & Looking Ahead

• Touches on BRCC Motorsports, upcoming races, collaborations with Cletus McFarland and Travis Pastrana, and reminiscences about wild stunts and injuries (Pastrana’s near-superhuman risk tolerance).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Social Media’s Arc:
  "From like 2012 to 2016, it was very much celebrated. ...Turned the camera, we're a group of veterans, we want to make a Hollywood movie. Everybody went, ‘Do it!’ ... There was this unity."
  — JT [36:28]
• On Outrage Culture:
  "Now ... the only path to getting attention was drawing a line in the sand and getting people to argue with you. ... If you look at the social landscape now, it's garbage."
  — JT [39:56]
• On AI and Creativity:
  "Using ChatGPT for art is like ... you have to know how to pilot that aircraft."
  — JT [14:16]
• On Outsized Digital Identities:
  "People were demanding [that] I make a post or statement, and then just seeing my feed filled with this image, it—like, podcasting made me sick. ... Ten years was enough."
  — JT [43:57]
• On Cosmic Perspective:
  "We're just algae. ... You could die, and ... you wake up and you're on the next planet. They're like, ‘Yeah, dude, there's like fucking 12 levels. You’ve only done one!’"
  — JT [54:21]
• On Escapism and Fun:
  "Nerd alert. How do people join the Wet Boys community?"
  — Andy [76:47]
• On Project Planning:
  "We need a fab shop that's willing to help us build this vehicle. ... If you're a good mechanic that wants to build something really cool, that'll be branded..."
  — JT [99:24]
• On Heroic Movies:
  "I want the biggest gun, unlimited ammo. I want to see you just win the whole time."
  — JT [79:53]
• On Personal Clarity:
  "Honestly, dude, like, mental health wise, clarity ... more productive time available. You could go watch TV, but dude, if you're online a couple hours, you give me two more hours—I can get some stuff done."
  — Andy [33:30]

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Timestamps by Segment

• Veteran Brand Stories & Military Structure ......................... [00:48–11:00]
• AI, Art, and Brand Development ......................................... [11:00–20:34]
• AI, Information Warfare & Social Media Manipulation .... [20:34–25:58]
• Influencer Burnout & Audience Evolution ......................... [27:44–34:56]
• Flight Simulators, E-Demo Squadrons, and the Wet Boys .. [58:00–72:56]
• Movies, Hollywood vs. Streaming, Bad Movies Good Vibes [46:02–81:20]
• Aliens, Simulation Theory, Cool Worlds ............................... [50:14–54:21]
• Upcoming Motorsports, BRCC, Travis Pastrana ................ [84:30–90:17]
• Bank Heist Getaway Vehicle Project .................................. [96:30–102:29]
• Wrap Up, Set Tour, Anecdotes ............................................ [91:07–104:39]

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Tone & Style

The episode is energetic, irreverent, and loaded with inside jokes, but balances the absurdity with nuanced takes on culture, technology, and the emotional cost of public personas. Both Andy and JT oscillate between sharp wit, creative brainstorms, and honest self-reflection—never shying away from calling out dysfunction (in media, culture, or themselves) while also celebrating community, niche passion, and the capacity for reinvention.

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For Further Exploration

• Learn more about "Cool Worlds" with astrophysicist David Kipping on YouTube.
• Watch: "House of Dynamite," "Arrival," "From Paris with Love," and "The Beekeeper" (ideally with JT’s irreverent expectations).
• Look for updates on the Wet Boys books and the interactive digital sim community.
• Follow BRCC Motorsports for future racing events and the planned “getaway car” challenge.

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This summary captures the dynamic range of Ep. 430—equal parts veteran entrepreneurial shop talk, meta-podcast dissection, digital-age skepticism, and gleeful flights of imagination.

Transcript

[JT]

Okay, I got the red smoke. Sun runs north or south. West of the smoke. West of the smoke.

[Michael]

Okay, copy.

[JT]

West of the smoke.

[Michael]

I'm looking at danger close now.

[JT]

Come on with it, baby. Give it to me. I need it.

[Michael]

You're clean hot. Can't be cleared hot. Do you have cough due to cold? You sound like a sick boy.

[JT]

No.

[Michael]

Do you have pink eye?

[JT]

No.

[Michael]

What's wrong with your eye?

[JT]

That's just a thing.

[Michael]

Is this thing called pink eye?

[JT]

No, it's forever.

[Michael]

Grab your mic because we're going. Already?

[JT]

Oh, I think.

[Michael]

I don't know.

[JT]

Oh, here we are. Great. I thought we were gonna have some sort of.

[Michael]

What did you get in the corner of your eye and how did it get there? I have thoughts. My initial thoughts are it involves another man and we'll leave it at that.

[JT]

When going to Kauspo, we. We become promiscuous when in Rome.

[Michael]

How was the VFW?

[JT]

That's one of the nicest VFWs I've ever been to. It doesn't feel like a VFW.

[Michael]

Did you notice it's missing one? Key thing, though.

[JT]

Smokers, veterans. Yeah.

[Michael]

Michael, get it out. If you have a cough due to cold, get it out. You hear him over there? He's, like, dying. Trying not to accidentally.

[Connor]

Nobody held some of my coffee, but we're good now.

[Michael]

Did it go down the wrong pipe?

[Connor]

It certainly did.

[Michael]

There is only one pipe, just so you know.

[Connor]

Well, it must be the wrong one because. Okay, we're good now.

[Michael]

Are you sure?

[Connor]

No.

[Michael]

No. That vfw, which I've never been in, I have been told is the local hangout for Kalispell, but that there are generally few, if any, vets in there, which I'm not hating on at all because it's still making money for the VFW and all that good stuff.

[JT]

But I. I couldn't tell. I mean, there was a bunch of. Every time I've walked in, somebody asked if, wait, you're the guy from that T shirt company?

[Michael]

Which is technically accurate. Are you still involved with the T.

[JT]

Shirt company that we closed in 2019?

[Michael]

I mean, it's historically accurate.

[JT]

Yeah, it is. Well, I mean, again, you never know. Like, I was an instructor for four years, so I've got 300 tech fees that know me as a teacher. Like being a JTAG invading Normandy.

[Michael]

I mean, we have a picture of you in the studio. Do we need to redact the face? That is two to the viewers left.

[JT]

No, not anymore.

[Michael]

Okay. But wanted to get professional thoughts and guidance on that.

[JT]

Yeah, we. And then, like, also, too, like, as a. As a jtac, you're the one Air Force guy in a battalion of army guys, which is 600 people. So. And then I was in four different battalions, you know, over the course of my, like, operational career. So there's a lot of people like, oh, I remember you. It's like, from where.

[Michael]

I'll be honest, I never learned. Learned the army structure. When people say platoon and battalions and stuff, I just.

[JT]

I'm like, well, you know, I used to teach it. So.

[Michael]

Yeah. You know, I didn't.

[JT]

Fire teams. You have fire teams.

[Michael]

That one I get. Fire team is pretty small.

[JT]

Two fire teams to a squad so far.

[Michael]

I'm with you.

[JT]

Three squads to a platoon.

[Michael]

No, no.

[JT]

Yes. Deviated from Navy platoon is 30 people, roughly.

[Michael]

So platoon in the SEAL world is about 16.

[JT]

Yeah. So that.

[Michael]

That's a.

[JT]

That's an ODA team.

[Michael]

A troop would be 32, which would be two platoons coming together. And then there's. We're already diverged anyway, so it doesn't even matter.

[JT]

Yeah, so then. And then you have generally three platoons, plus specialty platoons, so four per company, and you have three companies per battalion. So it just goes up and up and up. When. And this comes to. This is down to army maneuver units, like actual infantry and stuff like that.

[Michael]

But do you still. You're part of Nine Line, though, right? Aren't you?

[JT]

I am, yeah.

[Michael]

You guys make some fantastic miniature dachshund shirts, of which I own. First off, people can stop sending me the link to it, because I own several, by the way, because as soon as I see them. It was actually a Christmas present last year. My wife got me the shirt and the mug and actually, I think every product that they make with the miniature dachshund. And then he came out with another one, the Anatomy of a Dachshund, which I have that as well.

[JT]

I've just recently, in the last six months, you know, been introduced to the small dog world. I never understood it.

[Michael]

Do you now, though?

[JT]

I do.

[Michael]

What type of small dog? They're not all created equal.

[JT]

Well, these Chihuahuas.

[Michael]

So first off, I actually don't know if we can be friends because. No, absolutely not. Have you ever been around a mini. Mini dachshund?

[JT]

Yes. They're especially fat ones. They like little footballs.

[Michael]

Yeah, they're. They were bred to fight lions.

[JT]

Fight lions.

[Michael]

That's what I say. It's actually rodents, but there could be. I don't know, maybe there's a Pride of rodents that they would go after the queen. No, they were actually bred to go down into tunnels, which is why they're so fricking stubborn, because they were taught or bred to make decisions on their own when they were in a tunnel system. So the recall is spectacular. Action based upon said recall is really a thumbs down. What.

[JT]

But what type of tunnels? What do you need a dog to go into a tunnel for?

[Michael]

Viet Cong and other things of that nature.

[JT]

And you're sending a dachshund.

[Michael]

Michael, pull up dachshund. Miniature dachshund Service World War I and 2, please stand by. You get ready to.

[JT]

I have to. I have to caveat though, that, that the. The two Chihuahuas are actually very quiet Chihuahuas.

[Michael]

So when you see the math doesn't work on the Chihuahuas because one Chihuahua is not great, but two Chihuahuas is four times as gay. Look at this absolute battle machine. Look at this thing. Bred for combat. Starts with your Achilles tendons.

[JT]

Look at that. Oh, wow.

[Michael]

Like this exists, Michael, it says create an account. To read the full story. You have several seconds to create an account. Just go to Google Images, man, I bet you will find some other stuff.

[JT]

Yes, yes.

[Michael]

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[JT]

Well, yeah, you see in the background there's more troops as dots.

[Michael]

I just assumes those were guys in gas masks. Okay. I didn't look at it incredibly thoroughly, but let's see. Here we go. These are obviously weapons of war, probably mass destruction. Hard all the way to the right. Yep. Of course. Look at this guy.

[JT]

It was the day he got his award.

[Michael]

Unbelievable. Nice.

[JT]

Okay. Yeah.

[Michael]

Fabrication Dupain cake. I don't really know what that's all about, but. Oh yeah, nice. Dockson and the gas mask.

[JT]

Oh, they have actual gas masks because.

[Michael]

For them they're war machines. I mean, leave it as a paw. You don't need to change it into a hand. That's just weird.

[JT]

Yeah. Now that gets a little creepy.

[Michael]

Fortunately, right now that's the only way you can tell though with AI stuff because it'll make mistakes like that. I don't think it's going to be that way for much longer.

[JT]

No, it's getting, it's getting very, very good.

[Michael]

Do you like the nine Line stuff? Making merch and apparel?

[JT]

Yeah, I mean, so one thing that's cool about 9 line is, you know, Tyler spent a majority of of his like tenure with nine Line in, in creating like the best possible facility like to, to create this stuff.

[Michael]

Like, you mean the fabrication? Yeah. Like, like, is that shirt a nine by one?

[JT]

It probably is.

[Michael]

Is this one?

[JT]

This is a brc.

[Michael]

I didn't know this glowed in the dark until I turned this off.

[JT]

And I was other work. I was going to comment on that, actually. Look at this thing. Yeah. Yeah. So that's our logo for what we. We call owl. Other Work Laboratories.

[Michael]

I don't know what that means, but I want it.

[JT]

Well, that was. It's. Evan came up with this offshoot that we wanted to start another brand called Other Work. It's just. It's our Skunk Works.

[Michael]

It's. Ow. I will never stop doing stuff. I love it. I mean, I can appreciate it for sure, but man, I need to fully redo the Cleared Hot Soft. Good line.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

What would your recommendation be? Because right now, honestly, and I told you this, Michael, I pulled a lot of stuff down from the website. It's all historic. I don't think I made. I made one shirt in 2024, so it's kind of like a. Almost like a blue sky build.

[JT]

Well, the thing is, is like one of my first actual businesses was called Beer Drinking Bomb Droppers.

[Michael]

Okay.

[JT]

That was the first and only ever like, well, soft goods. Yeah, it was. It was shirts and, and, you know, hats and. And coins and stuff, but that was all JTAC themed stuff. So that's in the early, like 2012, 2013. That's how I networked with the JTAG community around the world. Because selling the only stuff for jtax. Well, Estonians, Latvians, the Dutch, like, everybody's like.

[Michael]

The problem is there's a. I think a total of 12 jtacs.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

So that's a niche market.

[JT]

Yes, it was. It was. It wasn't a money maker. Y. But my point is, is you having cleared hot, you know, my first YouTube channel was cleared Hot Productions. I don't know if you've stumbled onto that.

[Michael]

No, I haven't.

[JT]

It's got some very old stuff on there.

[Michael]

Okay.

[JT]

And I got a pretty cool logo on there too, that, you know, this is stuff that we could resurrect.

[Michael]

I struggle with ideation.

[JT]

You.

[Michael]

You guys have the ability. Both you and Evan have the. You can take it from like a kernel to 90%, then hand it off to a designer to polish it. I struggle with.

[JT]

I mean now, like, because I know how to use Illustrator and photoshop. I've got 25 years using those softwares.

[Michael]

Where do you start, though? Do you start there or are you using AI to start as like a Nucleus?

[JT]

So what I can do now is I can create like from in like. Like take the, like the patches that I make for my fake units in my simulator world.

[Michael]

The Wet Boys, if you will.

[JT]

The Wet Boys. I can go from ideation concept to full package of files, meaning black and white. Transparent full color vectors, PNG vectors, PNGs in under 60 minutes.

[Michael]

How do any professionals who came up on Illustrator, Photoshop, how do they still have a job?

[JT]

Well, they do because it's just, it's much faster. You're going to be able to output way more work.

[Michael]

Okay.

[JT]

Because you're not having to hand illustrate anymore. Like starting with a white piece of, you know, a blank screen. Like now you can have chat GPT give you 10 variations of this. I mean, like, so the old, the old method, you know, I had, I had a artist by the name of Jay Acosta that me and Matt have worked with since 2013, actually probably even before that. He's in the Philippines. Like phenomenal artists. But our process would be, I would tell him something and give him some sample images. A day or two later, he would send me back a sketch pad that had four to eight just rough out on an.

[Michael]

You're talking an actual pencil?

[JT]

Yes, pencil. He'd take a picture of it, Facebook, message me the photo, very secure. Which one, you know, which one do you want? I pick the one. And then, and then about four days later, I get four variations of that in a vector color, like, like actual image. And then I pick which one I want. We make the changes we make and then when we finally decide, thumbs up. I get a folder in Dropbox that has the png, the, the AI, you know, so all of it. So. But now, like, so that process would take a week and a half, two weeks for us to get a final T shirt design ready to go. Now you can do it in an hour.

[Michael]

Because is it about the prompting I hear? First off, I'm not a tech guy. Almost everything I'm about to say is me regurgitating things that I've seen on the Internet. It's not about what you ask it, it's the quality of the prompt. Jt.

[JT]

Yes and no, but also to knowing. Knowing how to. Knowing how to navigate. Like I would say, like using Chat GPT for art is like, you have to know how to pilot that aircraft.

[Michael]

Oh, that makes sense.

[JT]

Like if you know the certain word. Like, like for me, like I, I can tell it. Okay, make this, make this transparent line art. Boom. It spits out this, this image for me that I can now pull into Illustrator. So what I'll do.

[Michael]

And then you can manipulate it, right?

[JT]

Is my process now is I'll. I'll have it make me concepts until I'm like, boom, that one. Okay, give me that one again in full color. Boom. It gives me That I pull that image into another version of AI called Upscale, and I upscale it to like 10,000 by 10,000 pixels.

[Michael]

So is that just a higher quality image?

[JT]

It's just. Yeah, I am not adding pixels. Yeah. Because generally chat gives you like a thousand by thousand. So it's.

[Michael]

Is that not good?

[JT]

No.

[Michael]

Okay.

[JT]

I mean, it's under hd, just regular HD quality.

[Michael]

I always like HD or bust.

[JT]

Yeah. So then, then I go to upscale, get it large, and then I pull it into Illustrator and I do an image trace. And then that turns all of the line art and artwork that you're looking at into vector images, like into actual pen tool, bezier, whatever the real term is. Some designer is going to be like, you don't know what you were talking about.

[Michael]

Whatever statement.

[JT]

I can go in now and I can fix all the little things that are wrong with it by hand. And I. And that generally takes about 30 minutes because like you said, it gets you to like 95%. You know, you gotta have a little messes with some things. Like, I was go. I was. I had a big fight with my chat GPT, you know, on where the, the forward fins are on a harm missile. You know, we were. Well, you know, you just have to know how to pilot the aircraft. So what I did is I went and got a really clear picture of a harm and I pulled it into Photoshop and like cleared the background off and then put it back on my phone, put it back into chat DPT and said, look at, look at the way the fins are where they are in the middle of the fuselage. Explain to me now the characteristics of what makes up a harm missile and how you would identify it. And it gives me this big list. This is how I would identify a harm missile. Then I go commit that to memory. And it goes, okay, I have memorized what looks like. All right, now illustrate me a harm missile.

[Michael]

Did it do it correctly?

[JT]

Yes.

[Michael]

That actually piloting an aircraft is probably the best analogy then. Because that's exactly. I mean, LLMs people. It's not like this infinite knowledge.

[JT]

It.

[Michael]

It has access to, in my understanding, my very limited understanding, but it has access to the information that's out there. If you can give it better information, it will do better.

[JT]

Yeah. And you know, like, you can, you can tell it to, like, you can have all of your podcast converted into text transcripts.

[Michael]

What would you do with that, though?

[JT]

You then put it back into chat GPT. Tell it to read all of it.

[Michael]

Why though?

[JT]

Because then things get real fun.

[Michael]

Because what are you Talking about. Because why would I take the words I've already said to have them written out to feed them into chat gbt, to tell them to read them to me.

[JT]

Where not reading to you, it's reading to itself to learn you. And then you can say, this is.

[Michael]

How we work for our water ration for robots in five years. So basically what you're saying is, I will take all of the words that I have said over the thousands of hours of these shows and tell a machine, learn as much about me as possible so you can know more about me than I do, which then in some way, you'll manipulate and blackmail me in the future.

[JT]

Yeah. But then also too, you can. You then can turn around and tell it, write an email to this person in my tone saying this, and boom, you read it. And you're like, wow, that's exactly how I'd say that.

[Michael]

It's the data set. It's trained on, man. Yeah, that makes total sense.

[JT]

You could. You could say. I mean, one thing I've done is, is I would say, what? And I had. I'd like. I was like, analyze every episode title for Time for Pie. All right, what would. What would five new ones be going along that current theme? And it's interesting. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And you're like, oh, okay, I didn't think of that. That's cool. Yeah.

[Michael]

I'll use it sometimes for descriptions and titles. And it is interesting if you don't tell it to talk in, like, my tone. Speaking of me, it. It gets really verbose. It starts playing around with the edges of colorful language.

[JT]

Yeah. I mean, if you give it the.

[Michael]

Right prompting, it does tune it right back up. You're like, that's actually how I would say that.

[JT]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's so much. That's literally how I. I stumbled upon writing my first book was I was bored on the flight and I jumped into it and was just like, tell me a fictional story about the wet boys. And it's like, boom. I'm like, whoa, that's a good idea. I'm like, work.

[Michael]

If you. So not. I'm not saying that you did this, but if. If somebody wanted to be an author and they went on and asked it to write, say, the Skeleton or a few chapters, and you add on to that. How do you have to disclose that or do you have to disclose that in the creative process?

[JT]

I don't know. I think that's a gray area because.

[Michael]

You'Re prompting it and asking.

[JT]

It will not. It is Incapable of writing more than like two pages if now. Yeah, but still, like, that could be two pages.

[Michael]

That could be the spark that lights an author's.

[JT]

You know, but, but, but even, even with it, like, you still have to have like it's. I haven't seen it where it's generally like creating a story arc or path on its own. Like you have to really drive that thing.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[JT]

Like, so when I'm, when I'm digging into it, like there's times 3,000 to 5,000 character props, like selling it. Like, this is exactly what I want to happen now and this is who's gonna say it and this is how. And then boom. It spits it out. God, that's wild. In a, in a. In a really perfect, like actual novel format. And then you're like, okay, then you go back through and again, you gotta go in and tweak the 95%.

[Michael]

Ten years from now, take your best guess as to what it'll be capable of. Let's say five.

[JT]

I'm curious like where, like first off, I don't feel like the, the cost to this versus the power is right right now.

[Michael]

I mean. Yeah. What's a GPT subscription? Twenty bucks a month. Yeah. Like, for one you have access to. And they keep adding to it and evolving it.

[JT]

I mean, first off, like, like, not illustrators aren't going to go away because you're still going to need. Man, you're still, you're still going to need that.

[Michael]

But, but they could use that.

[JT]

But you know who goes away overnight with this thing is paralegals. Yeah.

[Michael]

Okay.

[JT]

I mean, a pair. A lion's share of paralegal's job is research. Whoa.

[Michael]

I know People using chat GPT to at least take their first stab at their taxes. I mean, they're obviously still a human in the loop and they're. But they're like getting to the 90th percent solution.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Dude, that's wild.

[JT]

But so, so yeah. Where is it? I don't know. I mean, I kind of feel like eventually it's going to get locked down. Like, I think they're going to take it away from us, the government, you know, like, because, I mean, you can't just give cold.

[Michael]

I mean, look what looks from our cold dead hands.

[JT]

We're. We're in an interesting time right now because you know how I feel like.

[Michael]

Everybody who's ever lived says that.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Like my dad, he was born before there was electricity or flight.

[JT]

That is true.

[Michael]

Internet.

[JT]

I'm saying, I'm saying this From a standpoint of, you know, we, we've always inherently talked about how socialism fails, Communism fails. Like.

[Michael]

Yeah. Because it hasn't been done right.

[JT]

They fail fast. Like, generally. Well, I think, like capitalism, like, we haven't. You know, it's still so new. We're starting to see where the fail points are. And I say that by saying that our enemies have now figured out how to use capitalism in our First Amendment against us. Because you can be a foreign entity, purchase a media company in the United States, and then tell it what to say to the, to the audience.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[JT]

So you see where I'm getting at.

[Michael]

Like, well, then it gets scarier too, because then we were talking about AI. You can just create entire ecosystems with things that are trained to just push, push, push. It doesn't have to make sense. It doesn't have to all be sticky, but this tsunami of information that you get bombarded by. And then, of course, that comes down to our reptilian brain with our thumb. I'll keep scrolling. Trying to separate the wheat from the chaff.

[JT]

Yeah, I'll give you an example, like, because I got. I had a Navy friend that was very high up in the cyber defense thing. And so like, he, he told me this years ago, but like, back when. So like when the administration or the DoD came out and banned the, the Confederate flag from being used or displayed on basis.

[Michael]

Were we in during that?

[JT]

Yeah, this was like 2018, 2019, I was already out. Or 2020. Okay. So essentially it was like, hey, you can't have stickers on your truck. You can't fly the flag. You can't. No more Confederate flags. Like, he was telling me that about 50,000 pieces of written media were being flooded into blogs and news and everything from China split evenly. 25,000 opposing the banning this. 25,000 rooting for the banning of the fight. Just wanted, they wanted to make everybody take a side. So, like, you have to. We people aren't understanding that this is the position our adversaries are in. They're going, hey, watch this. These guys are dumb. Like, and we can, we can marrying at them all day long, like, get them to fight over really dumb things. And they're fighting each other and they don't paying attention to us. So that right there is like a perfect example of, again, like these. They're getting smart. And hey, how do we use their Constitution and their system of government against them? Yeah, they've gotten really good at it, actually.

[Michael]

How do you teach people to fight against that?

[JT]

That's tough. Because now we're like, we got to get like smart CIA minds and stuff like mit.

[Michael]

Interesting you paired those two terms.

[JT]

Well, I met mit.

[Michael]

Or like there's some very smart agency people. I don't know if I would apply the term smart writ large to any agency of the U.S. government or any agency in the world.

[JT]

Yeah. But like the DARPA think tanks and stuff like that, like they're, they have, there are basements, weapons designers and stuff that really smart people that like think outside the box. Because again, I don't, I don't have a solution. I just, in the last year I've stopped listening because what is like a.

[Michael]

Detachment from the medium itself.

[JT]

It's like.

[Michael]

So I had Chad Wright on and we were talking about our phone usage stuff and like in January we're going to try to get it from. Mine was three and a three plus hours per day. And it kind of sucks to go into your old screen time and hit the button that shows the breakdown per app. You're like, that's a part time job that I'm spending on that app. And so the goal is to get it under an hour a day, which I've worked my way down this week. I'm actually on track. A lot of it is mindless social media stuff and I can still go to social media, but I do it on my laptop and it's a way less sticky time sucking experience because it's clunkier. But I can do all the posting. I don't feel any less connected. But I tell you what, I am enjoying not picking that thing up as much.

[JT]

I, I'm, I'm on the path with you.

[Michael]

There's another metric in there. People should look at pickups, which is literally the number of times you mindlessly pick up your phone. High, high threes to low. Four sometimes.

[JT]

God. Yeah. But also I, I don't have notifications on or. And I don't have a ringer on in, in 10 years.

[Michael]

Your phone's already been beeping since we've been.

[JT]

No, like, like the sound of a ringer. That's actually all my cameras. Like and it's one of those things where it's like I don't want to disable them because I'll forget to turn back on. And then I. But so not having notifications. I'm just trained every few minutes to look just to make sure I didn't.

[Michael]

That's the operative word. Trained.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

It's a willing addiction. I have enjoyed the last. It's the 21st, so three weeks into it. First, my phone has way more battery life at the end of the day. Second, honestly, I kind of feel healthier being detached from that. Consistent checking it when I drive to. I disconnected my carplay because one thing it was tracking it was anytime it would hook up if I was driving, it was counting that on screen time through my maps. So I was like, turn that off. Which also saved me time from, like, responding to text messages as I drive, which how many of those are really that important? I have a F150. So I put it in the little center thing that has the charging pad, and I just close it up. It's amazing. The first week I did that, how many times I would think, oh, I need to grab my phone. And I'd ask myself, why? What do I need to do that for? So I can interface through the screen. I can do music and phone calls and all that stuff. And the rest of it, I just grab it. And now a couple times I've left it in my truck and didn't bug me as much.

[JT]

Well, also too, like, I. I don't even really. I'm not on a podcast anymore. I don't post much on Instagram at all.

[Michael]

No one likes a quitter, jt.

[JT]

Well, you know, why did you quit?

[Michael]

Time for pie?

[JT]

Well, you know what? There's a number. Number of reasons for that one. Like, it. It really was. I mean, 10, over 10 years. You know, started drinking bros in. In November of 2015. You know, at one point, we were doing three, four episodes a week. That's a lot for years. And you know, also too, like, for a while, I was okay with, like, I. I was entertained. I was an entertainer. So you got. 80% was real, 20 was fabricated. Just like any comedian does. Like, the character that existed in that world isn't real. You know, I'm 80% what you see. But also a lot of people don't understand. You know, some people that only had saw me from drinking bros and the comedy stuff, that's all walking around like that. That's. That's all I do. It's like, oh, but you. Like, they didn't realize, like, all the stuff that actually goes into building these things that we've built over the last decade, you know, plus and so and. And even seeing that in people that worked for us, like, they played into the character and. And that. That's what really got me because I'm like, you. You think I'm Steve. You realize, like, we. There were only five of us at one point. We've done every job in this building. Like that thing that, you know you say takes two weeks to do, I used to do in an hour, sitting in front of Evan, across from him in a. In a lawn chair. Like.

[Michael]

I told you about the call he called me on.

[JT]

Right.

[Michael]

How long does it take you to turn a podcast when you record one? I was like, hypothetically, I could get.

[JT]

It out in about an hour.

[Michael]

He just starts dying laughing. He's like, I'll call you back. Yeah, I think he might have taken an ax to one of the departments who had, like, subcontractors, a guy hired to do it, but then subcontractors. And he was telling him two weeks. Yeah, I'm like, what are you hand.

[JT]

Animating all of this stuff? It's like, it's a headache. Like, because again, like. Like it comes back.

[Michael]

What are you talking about? Owning a business is just about sleeping on 100 bills, apparently.

[JT]

Yeah. Or. Or taking to a stage and telling everybody how. How owning a business freeze your life. Like.

[Michael]

No, I'll let you know to that.

[JT]

Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, that was very. That bothered me. That started to bother me especially as. As I got older and things got busier and we got bigger and like, so. And then also, like. Like, just like I was telling you yesterday, the. I did not like the shift in the behavior of some of the audience. Like, is this.

[Michael]

Are we talking time for Pyre all the way back to drinking bros?

[JT]

No, no, no. It was more of. Of just recently. In the last. In the last, like, year. Like, where did it start?

[Michael]

Well, actually, first off, tell people what Time for Pie was when you were a part of it. I mean, it was you and Caleb.

[JT]

Yeah, Caleb and Dave.

[Michael]

So you guys were just chopping this up? Yeah, it was a weekly show.

[JT]

It was just funny again. Like, my. My goal starting it with Caleb is Caleb is funny. Really funny. And I wanted a show that was free of politics and. And like, outrage. Like, so, yeah, every episode was complete nonsense. You know, us coming up with inventions like horse wi fi. And it was a good portable solution. That's what I said. How many times are you on your horse and you don't have good connectivity?

[Michael]

You don't own a horse. But I feel like there would be times and.

[JT]

And the whole goal behind that was escapism. Like, everywhere you turn, you have to hear some. Even now, like the military veteran influencer circle, they report on the same thing over and over and over again. Okay, so we, you know, we. The F16 crash two weeks ago. Now I see you know, the same 16 people with the same clip that is on Twitter with the same headline that's on Yahoo. News. Like, like nobody. You're not breaking anything.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[JT]

You just, you're just regurgitating it. And it's like that.

[Michael]

If you're in that business model, do you have to be just perpetually online looking for that stuff? Because in that model, if you're doing news, doesn't the velocity with which you report actually matter quite a bit?

[JT]

I think so. But also what I notice is, is I, I don't see any of. I see people that have converted to being news or headlines or breaking, but they don't do any work to actually be journalists to get, get more information or to pick up the phone and call and see if they can get a hold of whoever about the title and the description. It's just, it's. I think it's just a traffic grab. I think it is. I'm putting this out because it'll get, it'll, it'll. It'll get me the 300,000 views I need from this gap of time and then I'm gonna have something else. And it's just, it's blitzkriging with, with traffic, which you're just perpetually.

[Michael]

I feel like raking the Internet for the thing.

[JT]

Anything.

[Michael]

I don't, I don't like how I feel when I spend that much time online.

[JT]

Yeah, it's not good. No, I mean, I just, I just did that. Like, I'm down to 850 people I'm following from 2, 800 on Instagram.

[Michael]

How did you end up at 2100? It's a fantastically large number.

[JT]

I think it was just, it was, it was constantly networking and like, you know, when you meet somebody on Follow you too, like, or you feel obligated to follow.

[Michael]

How could you even keep up with them anyway?

[JT]

No, what I noticed was, is I don't care about any of this stuff I'm seeing. Like, I don't care who this person is. I don't know them. Like, I don't hang out with them. I don't talk to them. So, like, that's how I've been going down is like, don't talk to him, don't talk to him, don't talk to him.

[Michael]

It's healthier, right? You feel it? You, you would think with us sitting here talking about this. And I actually recommend that people give this a try because the last three weeks, honestly, dude, like mental health wise, clarity and actually more productive time available. I put the productive up front. As if I'm spending all my free time being productive. It's hopeful productive free time. You have more free time to do with what you want. You could go watch TV with it if you want to. But, dude, if you're online a couple hours a day, swiping with your thumb, you give me two more hours per day, dude, I can get some stuff done and so can everybody else listening to this, and you'll feel healthier.

[JT]

Yeah. I've also, like, one practice I've been doing the last few months is like, instead, because, like, texting gets. It's so short form. Yeah. And it's like, like, So I started, like, going, like. Like sending, like, long ass, like, really writing out. And like, like, just. Because it just, like, like, just the back and forth of. Hey, yeah, but. But, like, throwing something out that's in my head and, like, really diving into it and then getting something back actually is healthier. It's like, it's a better form of communication. You actually did something. I've been doing that with my fiance for the last few months. It's like, yeah, every, like, four or five hours, I'll write like 3,000 words.

[Michael]

I mean, that is the outermost. I mean, that's a lot. That is quite a bit.

[JT]

Or 3,000 characters. Let's go. Words.

[Michael]

That's a big difference there. That's a huge difference. What. What do you think the shift was in the audience behavior? Behavior?

[JT]

I don't. I think, like, I equate, like, I'd like to break this down in, like, social media, like, ages, because we. We've seen. We've seen this. This shift quite a few times. If you look back to 2012, that was. Facebook was only three years old for everybody because it opened up in 2009 to everyone. Pages software was before that.

[Michael]

What was it? Harvard Edu.

[JT]

Yeah. Well, you had to have an Eduardo.

[Michael]

I know. Because of the documentary the Social Network. And.

[JT]

And then Pages software was created in 2011. So.

[Michael]

Pages. What's that?

[JT]

That's where you can create a Facebook page. Not just have an account. Like, you can make a page for cool cell phones or sniper rifles. Like, and so, like, in 2012, Facebook culture and behavior amongst Americans was you followed things you liked and you engaged with them. Because this was new and this was now. This was a form of TV entertainment, whatever you want to call it. So you. If you think back to that time frame, you, like, if you saw a cool sniper rifle, you'd, like, comment and be like, whoa, badass.

[Michael]

Because speak for yourself. I was late to the digital revolution.

[JT]

And then so also too, this was the, the gateway or the introduction. You know, this is the first wave of YouTubers make it big. The, the first time that you saw regular people that you knew and grew up with achieve some sort of fame that you also still had contact with. So like, even in our case, like, as Matt and I launched Art 15 and you know, we're on Good Morning America and all this stuff, like all the people that I grew up with, with at home are like, oh my God, look at, look this. They're, they're like making it now and right in front of our face. So from like 2012 to 2016, it was very much so celebrated. So if you look at the level of positivity on social media back then, everyone was lifting us up. It's why we were able to raise so much money for range 15 because we turned around to a camera and we're a group of veterans, we want to make a Hollywood movie. And everybody went do it. Like, we want to help. And like there was this unity and everybody, you know, we created Drinking Bros, which, you know, spanned into over 400 groups on Facebook. And they, everybody was coming together and doing meetups and like, it was very positive. Well then around 2017, 2018 came in this like shift of where everybody was celebrating, you know, these, these people that were, that were doing stuff in media, on social media, it kind of went to, well, wait, why, why can't I do that? And then you saw a bunch of people kind of try 2018, 2019. That's when you saw the boom of like 60 different veteran T shirt companies and all these micro brands. And I'm gonna do this or I'm gonna, you know, you know, everybody went, well, well, they did it. I'm gonna do it too.

[Michael]

Well, if only it worked like that.

[JT]

Yeah. And then, and then. The, everything kind of goes to. And that, that becomes a whole new age of like, you have a lot of people now staying home with time on their hands. You had a giant migration to twitch, like people tried to become full time streamers. And then, you know, that like worked for a little bit and you know, you saw kind of a big influx. And then that dried up too, because again, like inflation, expendable cash, like people just aren't gonna throw money at you to play video games and things like that. Yeah, well, and then, so now I feel like we're in this, we're in this age where there's a, there's jealousy of People using social media because they don't get traffic or engagement. And so they don't get that. Oh, I've got 16 likes and 10 comments on, on my post I made. So that shifted everybody into this. Well, I'm put flag in the sand on a certain topic. And, and you, you see it. People now post, you know, ice, get out of this country. And if you, if you don't like what I say, unfriend me. Boom. It's a hundred people are arguing, you know, with their friends and neighbors and everything like that. It's this age of outrage promoted engagement.

[Michael]

And do you think in around that time period too, foreign actors started realizing their ability to interface with that? And maybe that levered it or not created it, but perhaps they were standing around a campfire going, oh, interesting 100%.

[JT]

Yeah, like, but I do think that, I do think that we went through, we are or we're going through this phase where everybody kind of was like, well, what about me? Like, why can't I gain popularity on social media? And so the, the only path to getting attention was drawing a line in the sand and getting people to argue with you. And, and I think that's, and that's why, like, if you look at the social landscape now, it's garbage. Like, it's, there's no positivity. It's not fun. And that's where I saw the shift in the audience where the audience and, and I mean the time for pie. Audience and drinking bros are generally, they're awesome. Like, they're great. But there was a pocket of people that expected weird things from me, like, like demanding that I make a statement about something or.

[Michael]

Because if you're not, then they assume that you stand for the opposite. Whereas maybe the reality is you are taking the time to educate yourself.

[JT]

When are you gonna say something about the Ukraine? Why? Like, I, I talk about funny things on the Internet. Like, why do you, why do you care what my opinion on the Ukraine is? And also too, like, there I add no value. Like, and I, and I, I'm self aware of that. Like the, the Charlie Kirk thing. Like, I saw the same video everybody else did. Unfortunately, I was not there. Also too, like, you're like, we're watching a assassination.

[Michael]

Like, all three of my kids saw that.

[JT]

Yeah, same.

[Michael]

I had to have some conversation. And again, they weren't looking for it.

[JT]

It was everywhere. I mean, even, even the, the, the level of like just uncouthness or like lack of tact. This happened a few weeks ago when NASCAR driver Got killed in the plane crash and he's going down to see Cletus. Yes. And. And you know what you get on Twitter? And here is this, this blue check mark Twitter dipshit that has a photo of him and his whole family next to the video of the plane burning you d bag. Like, where did we. Where did we go this to that somebody thinks that that is an acceptable post to make.

[Michael]

Well, here's the thing. Do they think it's acceptable or do they realize whether it is acceptable or not? It is their fastest way to drive engagement.

[JT]

Exactly. That's what it is. They're. All they want is the. Is the numbers.

[Michael]

The acceptability I would hope enters into people's mental calculus before they do or say things like that. But if your entire world is making that type of content, maybe that little moral voice on your shoulders gets a little bit quieter. It doesn't exist because you know that people are going to click on that because it does elicits from you exactly what you want it to. Anger, frustration, people. But they're going to click on it because they're going to want to know what happened. And nobody knows what happened other than a plane crashed. It's same thing. God, the Charlie Kirk thing, man. I do not want to harp on this too much because I think it was harped on too much in the time with a number of people making videos about nonsensical stuff to make a video so they could throw Charlie Kirk and giving their take on it.

[JT]

I'm sitting there seeing the same video we all saw.

[Michael]

Some of these people we know too.

[JT]

I know, but that was the thing. Like people were demanding. Like in my inbox. When are you gonna acknowledge it? I'm like, we don't. I don't. I don't owe you. Like, I don't work for you. Like, I do this for fun. You choose to turn tune in. That's great. Yeah, I'm not doing this because of you. And then also too is just Instagram just seemed to become the clips of this right here, that SM7B and someone talking and like the combination, they have an SM7B.

[Michael]

What they're saying is deep. Philosophically, yes. Inspirational at the very least.

[JT]

And so like combining that with being frustrated with people like demanding that I make a post or statements and then just seeing my feed filled with this image, it like podcasting made me sick. And I was like, I'm out. Like 10 years was enough.

[Michael]

I feel a little bit of that pressure too. People will really push and want to know What I think, I try to view it through the lens of I'm grateful that they care about what I think, but I am also, and I did this very recently when I was talking about. It wasn't even specifically Minneapolis. It was a larger. My thoughts on immigration, like, obviously the events in Minneapolis. But I opened with, like, listening. I reserve the right to not have an opinion on something. I can't be an expert on everything. I don't see everything. I am not intelligent or educated in a lot of ways that, like, I don't know anything about geopolitics. I mean, I, I know as much as I'm exposed to, but I'm certainly steeped in it, you know, so asking me whether or not a trade deal.

[JT]

Is a good idea and also thinking that doing an hour's worth of research on whatever's viable open source doesn't give you any context at all. Like, there are so many layers of nuance to any, anything that goes on. Like, even if it's in, it's, it's no different than the deals that, that we talk through and make ourselves. As if somebody just reported part of that and people wanted to base an opinion off of it. And we're like, well, you don't know half of what we're doing right now.

[Michael]

Like, I'm also just very comfortable saying that I don't know.

[JT]

I, I'm fine with that too. And I don't get why people are afraid to do that, to say, you know what? I don't, I don't know, or I don't care about it. Like, I, I, I, I like to be blissfully ignorant sometimes. You know what?

[Michael]

It was not in all things, but. Yeah, well, the other way to, I mean, the only way I think you could not be. Well, the way you could attempt to not be blissfully ignorant would be to be jacked into the Matrix 24:7. And that, to me, sounds like scrubbing your balls with a cheese grater.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Like, I'm not. No, thank you.

[JT]

There's a new movie on Netflix called House of Dynamite.

[Michael]

Haven't seen it.

[JT]

You should. And I'm gonna tell you about it anyway, because.

[Michael]

Hashtag spoiler alert.

[JT]

There's a lot of truth to it, though.

[Michael]

Okay.

[JT]

I mean, it's a, it's a, I, I, I really respect movies that, that do something in a confined space and, and have a captivating story for an hour and a half and it doesn't leave, you know, this room. Yeah, it's one of those. But the, the plot is an ICBM rolls out in the Indo Pacific. Like, but we can't. We didn't see where it came from. And it's heading to Chicago.

[Michael]

Oh, they're just catching it midair.

[JT]

Well. And we're like, so we don't know who fired it. And you're the, the whole movie is walking through this.

[Michael]

The.

[JT]

The Joint Chiefs and the White House and, and now we're clearing every bomber. Well, because we cleared the bombers. Russia.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[JT]

China's launch. We're trying to get people on the phone. Like, get Russia on the phone. Get China on the phone. Hey, who's. And this thing is coming and we shoot our, our THAAD missiles at it. Our GBIs, our ground based interceptors, by the way, if you didn't know what that is.

[Michael]

Yeah. Nbd.

[JT]

Yeah. And they miss. So, so Chicago homegirls coming in. And then. And then again, like you're poised with. The President is poised with this thing of. You've got three minutes to strike or you just eat it. And we all kind of go, what happened? But also, if we strike, everybody strikes. Like so.

[Michael]

Oh, it's mutually assured destruction.

[JT]

That's what I mean. People don't realize like we are and, and also like don't have confidence in these people. We know. We. I've. I've real. I've come to realize like where, you know, when we were growing up, we thought like there was like, like, like, like superhumans maybe or like, like that.

[Michael]

There was the best qualified.

[JT]

Yes.

[Michael]

The most highly educated, screened for genius level intellect. And oh, by the way, all of these things existed in the same person running the country.

[JT]

Yes. And that's not the case.

[Michael]

So I no longer feel like that.

[JT]

Yeah. So that movie will scare the out.

[Michael]

Of you because you're like dynamite. Okay.

[JT]

Dynamite.

[Michael]

Is this a recent movie?

[JT]

Yeah, it just came out.

[Michael]

Okay.

[JT]

And there's no real actors in it. Like it was a Netflix original. Like it's again, like it's a simple movie, but it's like you're like, oh, oh. Like it's.

[Michael]

Netflix is kind of killing it.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

I just watched the Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, the Rip, which is again, a Netflix movie. I don't know how these big studios are going to survive, man.

[JT]

I mean, they don't. They're. They're gone.

[Michael]

Superheroes is basically, you know, the Marvel franchise.

[JT]

That stuff is almost like d. It's.

[Michael]

Like, what are you talking about? There's another one. Thor comes back in Avengers. Doomsday.

[JT]

Wait, there's another Avengers?

[Michael]

You haven't seen this?

[JT]

No.

[Michael]

Yeah, it's like Thor is back, Captain America is back, Fantastic Four, X Men. It's really, it's, it's really, it's a melting pot of some worlds.

[JT]

But you know a good. Another good one that shows too though where one of. One of us could this up so bad for the whole world is arrival. Have you seen that?

[Michael]

I feel like this one isn't as new.

[JT]

No, it's like five, six years old.

[Michael]

Michael, you pull up the. What do you call the thing for whatever.

[JT]

The movie poster.

[Michael]

Yeah, exactly.

[JT]

Yeah, this right here.

[Michael]

So I have seen this one.

[JT]

Fifteen of those things go all over the world and we're working together at first and then we're trying to decode their language and then we think that they're offering a weapon so everybody stops working together and like that's again like we are just one bad decision away from somebody ruining this for everybody.

[Michael]

What do you think the odds are aliens are real? And I don't mean like what we're looking at this picture, but just life form outside of. Of human species owners.

[JT]

I will give you my theory on this because I have a reasoning behind it. Michael, if you want to just show him the YouTube channel Cool Worlds. This guy David, you would love him. You would love this channel. He's incredible. He is an astrophysicist that has the ability to explain the most complex things in the like, like in, in, in the science world down to our level to understand to like a golden retriever.

[Michael]

That's excellent.

[JT]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Michael]

Michael, what did you do different? It's not grabbing the screen and launching it across.

[Connor]

I have no clue. Like sometimes it does it, sometimes it doesn't.

[Michael]

Do you have any understanding of the technical requirements of your job and at any time do you plan to actually live up to them?

[Connor]

Absolutely not.

[Michael]

Okay, just checking.

[JT]

So, so there is a, there's a video he does here about how big the universe is. And you know, when he lays it out like there, there's something that we kind of don't, don't take into consideration. Right. If you're not really, really thinking about this. Yeah, it's the, the time difference. So when you look at the, the, the like space, the how far things.

[Michael]

Really, you're talking about the time it would require for something to the expansion.

[JT]

Though of so, so when you look to the right when you look forward of us like and you go to the next, you know, galaxy, solar system, wherever there's a hundred million year gap. So when you look back so again like Imagine, Imagine us finding a planet and there's algae on it. And we go, wow, there's life on that planet. We can't talk to algae. What's the point? This has needs another 100 million years of evolution before we give a about this. So why even with that? So now go forward. I think that if they are so far that they're like, they got another.

[Michael]

They're still in the nuke phase making movies about ICBMs flying in. We need to come back and check it.

[JT]

Yeah, we're. We're not punching playing this game right now because also too, it could be a thing where it's like, dude, they're just gonna ask us for all our. Like, we don't want. We're not getting into a debt with these dudes. Like, they have nothing for us. So. But, but then also too, there's a size thing. Like, because we don't, we don't know. Like, we're this big. You know, the red door for beetlejuice is, is 3 billion times larger than our sun. Like, can you even like.

[Michael]

No, my brain doesn't work. No levels of that makes sense.

[JT]

Like so. And, and gravity is different and this is difficult. So what if, what if size is different? What if they've passed us, but they're so goddamn big, they have nothing. What have you pulled up.

[Connor]

Just compared to the sun?

[JT]

Sun? Less than a pixel. Oh my, oh my.

[Michael]

Oh my God. It's wider than Jupiter's orbit around the sun.

[JT]

So, so, so now when you look at that, that is just one. There's just one star that we know that is that big.

[Michael]

So look at you on Reddit, Michael.

[JT]

What if. Yeah, what if they're bigger and like, and, and passing a planet this big? It serves us.

[Michael]

Yeah, we're like a marble to them.

[JT]

Yeah. It's like they didn't even know we were there. Who knows? Like, or, you know, I, I mean, there's a possibility that we're a program being run, you know?

[Michael]

Is there though?

[JT]

I mean, I say I have free will. No, no, no, I don't, I don't mean, I don't mean that. I mean that our species, like, eventually, no matter what, like, nukes ourselves and it preps the planet in a certain way that becomes this like, nuclear thing.

[Michael]

We're just terraforming.

[JT]

Yeah, that's what I mean.

[Michael]

Long term terraforming.

[JT]

They were passing by and they dropped this science experiment down and said, all right, we'll leave that for the next.

[Michael]

Million years and we're just Fertilizing for what's next.

[JT]

That's a possibility. Like, I think of things in a creative, like. Like, hey, what if. Or again, we never know. You could die. And the moment that you die, you open your eyes and you're on, like, the next planet. And then they're like, yeah, dude, there's like fucking 12 levels. Like, you've only done one. Like, you're like, what? What? Really? But we have no way to communicate backwards, so nobody knows that.

[Michael]

Like, reading a little bit too much L. Ron Hubbard. I saw. Take it easy. Come back down the bridge to total freedom to reality.

[JT]

That's a whole nother rabbit hole. That is so weird.

[Michael]

Is it really? Is it a rabbit hole? I.

[JT]

Well, it's a rabbit hole that I don't understand. Why people.

[Michael]

To protect myself.

[JT]

I'll say.

[Michael]

It's allegedly a cult. Yeah.

[JT]

Better watch out. You're gonna have people looking at you weird.

[Michael]

I'll be a suppressive being. I think I'm already there. I've done some shows with. With people who have left.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

And, yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm not welcome at the Hollywood center to come get my feelings read by the E meter.

[JT]

The E meter. You got to get all those toxins out, dude. Or, you know, again, like, if you look at, like, how we. In video games, when you. When you. You can only create, you know, the area that you can operate in. And generally in games, they make it. It unaccessible, you know, because it's like large amounts of space. So the simulator, simulation theory of, like, they made space essentially untouchable for us, which is just to show, like, yes. It seems like, oh, yeah, yeah. You can go anywhere you want. No, dude, you guys are stuck here.

[Michael]

It's like a Truman show, but on a much, much larger scale.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Do you think you ever start another show, you're just going to take a break from podcasting type stuff. Stuff.

[JT]

No, I think I'm good. Like, really? Yeah. I. I don't mind coming on with people, but I just don't. I. I don't have. I don't want to be.

[Michael]

That seems like you're diving back into business aspect of it more as well.

[JT]

Business, music. We got probably 12 new songs. Yeah. About to come out. I want to do 10 of these books because this. This whole concept, of course, I left.

[Michael]

The book you gave me at home.

[JT]

That I'm doing well, which is fine because I don't want anybody to get. It's not. It's not coming out for a little Bit because I want to finish the first three first and release them all at once.

[Michael]

What's the deal with that?

[JT]

Nobody's done it.

[Michael]

Yeah, but is that because it's not a smart thing to do?

[JT]

Who knows?

[Michael]

You know, I mean, sometimes just because somebody hasn't done it, you know, there's also not anybody teaching a course on parachuting without a parachute either. Nobody's done that.

[JT]

Well, there is. Like, here's the thing. Like, I, I was arguing a long time with Ross and Nick because I wanted to release the movie trailer for range 15 the day that the movie came out.

[Michael]

No, that doesn't work.

[JT]

I'm sorry, but you're not thinking of current culture and behavior. Yes, but Amazon buy it now. Like, where this antiquated thing of let's put a movie trailer out. That would work now 6 months, months in advance. So like I, I don't know if I'm releasing all three on the same day or I release one and then the next week the second and next week the third because they are fast reads like. And so people, people are. Would be amped about it. But also too, this is what I'm. I've coined 4D entertainment, like what I'm calling it, and it's. Imagine if you read Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell, you know, which a lot of people did, and then you were able to go log on to PlayStation 5 and play with every character that was in that book.

[Michael]

Oh, because you are tying this to the wet boy.

[JT]

Every. We have every mission recreated. We have all of the skins for the aircrafts of the fake units that are in the book. And every person in the book is an actual pilot that flies in digital space. So you could either watch and hang out or you can fly this very missions and you can sign up for which squadron, because every squadron has a different mission set. So if you want to go be a growl growler and jam the out of everybody with Wilbur, well, you can fly that in the mission that you just read about in the book.

[Michael]

See, that's an interesting type. Can people do like backseat rides and.

[JT]

Just sit our goggles on 100.

[Michael]

That's awesome.

[JT]

You could, you could sit in the back of a growler and just roll. But you're also on comms with everybody.

[Michael]

So we gotta unpack the wet boys too. Because people right now are like, what in the hell are you two idiots talking about?

[JT]

So it's a, It's. There's a flight simulation.

[Michael]

Well, first off, let's go even farther. You're kind of big into flight simulators a lot. Yeah. You've posted quite a bit. I would describe your setup at your house as professional.

[JT]

Yes.

[Michael]

Is it full motion?

[JT]

No.

[Michael]

Okay. Actually you and I had talked about that. You said that the full motion isn't good enough yet for the maintenance.

[JT]

Well, it's just, I don't. It's one more thing to. I mean when you look at, you just see my, my physical instruments.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[JT]

Like I, I have like 35 USB connections into a computer. It's.

[Michael]

How do you even do that?

[JT]

I've got these two giant arrays like that do go in. So it's like I didn't even thought about that. You add in motion, that's just another module that I have to keep up with and like cycle through and make sure it's working. And it's just something it's. I mean, I don't really need the motion.

[Michael]

Like yours is based off a F18 template.

[JT]

Yes.

[Michael]

Do they have helicopter ones?

[JT]

Yes. And I have the guy that would build you one.

[Michael]

How much are we talking?

[JT]

It can be.

[Michael]

Can you pay over time?

[JT]

Yes, you can. It's a. It can go as. As deep as you want or as shallow as you want. Like he can.

[Michael]

You know me well enough that the shallow aspect doesn't align well.

[JT]

But honestly, a gorgeous, like a. A really, really good helicopter sim. Probably 20 grand. And what you do is you put it in the coffee shop and you charge, you know, 10 bu. 30 minutes.

[Michael]

So I told Connor, our manager that you were coming and I actually had prepped her. I was like, listen, JT is going to be here. He's going to pitch you on a helicopter sim. For the last two days she's pulled me aside. He hasn't said anything to me.

[JT]

Because she was looking.

[Michael]

She's like, well, you know, we could move this retail tower. I'm like, son of a bitch. I was joking. Do not let him put a simulator in there. But, but now I'm thinking about it.

[JT]

You see everybody that was in there today and when one. When one guy is over there just like laying waste with a kiowa and there's 10 people standing around watching, they're like, dude, how much is it? 10 bucks for 30 minutes. I'm in.

[Michael]

And it's aligned pretty well with the brand as well too. I mean people won't notice this. You know this though, going outside onto the eastern side, all the pergola is Apache rotor blades over the top of the patio.

[JT]

You do realize that to. With my know how and connections, we can skin Your very helicopter and run Microsoft Flight Simulator 2025. And you could take off from the coffee shop itself that they're at and fly Cow spell. All right.

[Michael]

This is not Michael. You seem to be the most neutral party because. I don't know, I feel like you're not even following what we're saying. You're probably over there on YouTube talking.

[Connor]

About a flight sim. Helicopter.

[Michael]

Good idea or bad? Are you a gamer, by the way? Yeah.

[Connor]

Every once in a while, would you.

[Michael]

If you were at the coffee shop and you've been in the helicopter, would you, as a consumer, fly a helicopter sim at a coffee shop if it was like an Apache or something like that?

[Connor]

I don't know. I don't really like being the center of attention all that much.

[Michael]

Oh, we know.

[Connor]

So that.

[Michael]

Which, by the way, I'm sorry. Because the Andy Kills Michael series will be moving forward into production. JT wants to be an executive producer. Yeah. So whether you like to be the center of attention or not, our goal is to either stress you out to the point of a heart attack, actually kill you in real life. Yes. And actually, probably just. Those are two of the outliers, and we'll try to focus on the areas in between. Cool.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Connor]

Sounds good.

[JT]

Good.

[Michael]

Let's say I let you in there after hours. Would you have any interest? Would you. Is that something that.

[Connor]

No, I think that would be fun, actually. Like, just that itself would be really fun.

[Michael]

My only issue is I would want to find a nice place to put it where it didn't interrupt the flow of other things, which I think is possible.

[JT]

I would put it in the corner.

[Michael]

In the retail corner?

[JT]

No, in the other corner, Like.

[Michael]

Okay, so it's like, retail corner.

[JT]

I was sitting in my chair over here when you saw me. Yeah. Because. And then I would have.

[Michael]

How big is the footprint? Is it about the size of this table?

[JT]

Yeah, You. You have a screen and then the seat and everything. Like, so we could move the. I would probably. And then you have the screen facing backwards, because, again, this is contagious. So the second you have a husband that sits down to try and land a helicopter and rolls the thing up into.

[Michael]

How hard could it be? Right.

[JT]

A million pieces.

[Connor]

Really easy.

[Michael]

This. Son of a.

[JT]

Now it's. Now it's. Honey, you try. So now they're sitting the women down in there before you know this.

[Michael]

So it is legitimately like, it responds the way that it would.

[JT]

Oh, 100.

[Michael]

Because you can actually. You can dial down the realism on the Sims, right?

[JT]

Not really. Not if you're running what we run.

[Michael]

Okay.

[JT]

There's no dialing anything.

[Michael]

Tremendously hard.

[JT]

Oh, it is going to be a nightmare. Especially if you fly the Huey. Like hovering. The Huey is. Yeah.

[Michael]

Helicopter.

[JT]

And you can have a real Huey collective. Yeah.

[Michael]

I feel like the Apache would be the baseline helicopter to probably go with.

[JT]

It would be fun.

[Michael]

And then. So I've seen it with the screens. Do you wear VR goggles when you do yours? No, because I have combine the two.

[JT]

Right. Yeah, they. They have pass through. But I mean, I just. I like, I have all my instruments like in front of me, so. And I mean. Yeah, dude. Just setting up that jet for combat on the carrier takes 30 minutes.

[Michael]

I feel like there's a button you could hit that could just have it ready to go.

[JT]

Yeah, I mean, ask any F18 pilot.

[Michael]

No, I'm just saying you're flying a simulator, so maybe like make me ready to catapult. We will start on the cat. That's the button I would hit.

[JT]

Yeah, there's a lot of switches up there.

[Michael]

People think that aviation is all just like rudder and yolk and power, which it is once you're in the air, but man, there's a lot of stuff that goes into it.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

I loved yesterday blowing our man's mind.

[JT]

Oh, it was beautiful. Beautiful.

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[JT]

Just, you know, I call it doing the lap. You know, every 15 seconds you're checking, checking all your data. And I've, I've found that like I do it in the car all the time now too. Yeah. Like, I'm just constantly.

[Michael]

That's what instrument flying is.

[JT]

It's like I don't, I don't need any of that information in a, in a truck, but I have to see it because I'm so used to doing the lap.

[Michael]

Like, it's not a bad idea. Okay. So I didn't know you were going to tie the book into the Wet Boys. Is it safe to say the Wet Boys is an online community?

[JT]

Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, the Wet Boys started is we were a giant troll against the E Demonstration Squadrons because they take themselves way too.

[Michael]

I was just going to ask you on a level of 1 to 10. 1 being low seriousness, 10 being there.

[JT]

21. Yeah, dude. Like I, I've heard like they, Their email signatures is like E Blue Angel 1.

[Michael]

You shut your mouth right now. I'm not here to tell people how to live their life. If that's what tightens your screws, like, go for it. Right. But also, let's remember that the digital world is that. Yeah. And there's a whole world to be lived outside of that.

[JT]

So. We are the Wet Boys, the 15th Aerial Demonstration Squadron. And we just started making claims that we had 18 worldwide trophies for E Demonstration until they started getting angry and like, where, where do you get these trophies? What are these awards? Like, don't worry about it. Like, don't worry about it, dude. You weren't invited.

[Michael]

So Angels.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Where do they fly? Lie. This is all online E Air shows.

[JT]

Which we're no longer allowed at.

[Michael]

Michael, I heard you begin to laugh over there.

[Connor]

So funny.

[JT]

We are we.

[Michael]

Okay, so hold on. Is an E Air show a dude in his house wearing VR goggles watching what would be a normal air show.

[JT]

But. And then. Well, I mean, if he's putting on the air show, he's brought everybody.

[Michael]

I mean, just as a participant though.

[JT]

Oh yeah. You're just watching a, A, A digital air show. Yeah, it gets really boring when they do like the, the, the, the C130 demo. Like you're just watching a digital C130. Just do a couple banks here and there. Like. Okay.

[Michael]

Michael, how many E Air shows have you been? Please find me. Yes, I'm trying to find. I hear your tippy tapping over there. Find exactly what you know it is that I want.

[Connor]

What's it called exactly?

[JT]

Jtx.

[Connor]

I'm not finding any.

[JT]

I mean, just DCS Air Show. Try that. Yeah, yeah.

[Michael]

Holy cow.

[JT]

Yeah, there's like two, like, main ones that like, put them on, like. I don't know how big they are, but you know, we've.

[Michael]

Oh, my God, we've been caught.

[JT]

Making fun of. Making fun of this.

[Michael]

So fake drone shot over the top. Another video.

[JT]

In this one, we'll be flying an.

[Michael]

F18 demo in the most realistic air.

[JT]

Show display mission that I.

[Michael]

No, you're not.

[JT]

Yep, yep. You just want to skip because they do the whole ramp thing too. Like, it takes forever. Oh, wow. Starting the jet, you know, this whole sequence, I'm assuming. Yeah. In my sleep. He's messing with the INS right now, which is a big pain in the ass.

[Michael]

Come up here and put that. Michael, skip to the exciting stuff. Yeah. Such as life. Oh, there we go.

[JT]

And pull back.

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[Michael]

Get vapor off the wings.

[Connor]

Roll out.

[Michael]

I need to see some formation stuff. Michael, find me the blues. I would be flying it in real life, I. E. Showing off the Hornets. Crazy authority up separately. Jesus. It's angels, not Agles, but, you know, there you go. Oh, remastered. Get to the good stuff. Skip all the ramp. Jesus. I mean, are we headed towards a world where nobody has any real world experience?

[JT]

I don't know. Maybe.

[Michael]

See if you can get some in cockpit footage, Michael.

[JT]

Well, here I'm sending you for Navy and Marine Corps pilots who must land.

[Michael]

Their aircraft on the small and sometimes pitching deck of an aircraft carrier at sea. Hold on. Is this guy. Literally.

[JT]

He's doing the announcement. So, like, in order to demonstrate the dirty slow speed handling characteristics of the.

[Michael]

F18 coupe, has called for the extension of the landing gear and tail hooks.

[JT]

By the four diamond pilots.

[Michael]

Michael, I can't. I cannot take any more of this.

[JT]

All right, all right. Okay, now I have what I just sent you. And give that to him because now you're going to see what real E demo pilots do.

[Michael]

Oh, hey, Michael.

[JT]

We're going to air drop. Yep. Michael, this is coming to you. And this is. This is. This is. This is how you get wet, my friend.

[Michael]

And here we go.

[JT]

This is what we call.

[Michael]

And.

[JT]

And you can sk. Just. Just scrub to where. Where you see it shift from my face to actual.

[Michael]

The bandana. Jt. I like it.

[JT]

They're right there. And. And so as you can see, we have our Own painted jets inside the game. This is original music. Good God. Nice. You want some formation flying? That's what we do. Very nice.

[Michael]

Michael.

[JT]

So our logo.

[Michael]

I tell you to find e SIM footage. This is what I'm.

[JT]

So our logo is an otter. So we were the otters. And. And so the lore is the. The original seven Wet Boys, which. This was a. This is all fictional. And. And in 2008, the Marines wanted to create their own version of Blue Angels. So it was myself. No, this is all fake. I'm. I was chose to lead. I picked my seven pilots and we were training in the country of Georgia to get for this. And then we cause this big incident that gets us all grounded. With a Russian.

[Michael]

We're talking about the book now, right?

[JT]

Yes.

[Michael]

Okay.

[JT]

With the Russian SA6 and it makes all of our wings get taken away and we get shoved in like skunk work programs and test pilot stuff and.

[Michael]

Like very Tom Cruise.

[JT]

Yeah, yeah. You know, and then. So the first book, Wet Death, takes place in 2024 where I come back to the Pentagon pitching a new carrier that reports to JSOC Truck.

[Michael]

I do like this concept. With great power though, comes great responsibility.

[JT]

Therefore it's not navy and it's half psychological operations and nobody knows what's what. So does it fly? What? No, the carrier does not fly. But come on. What we do do, and I'll give you a little piece of. Of it is we. They. They let us go to the A barg, which is the boneyard. They give us one year and. And staff and. And money and stuff like that to get ready. And we end up throwing American airline and brayer engines into A10s so they could take off from the carrier. So we have A carrier variant A10. It's called the Abyss Hog and it's painted black and blood red.

[Michael]

The Abyss Hog.

[JT]

So there is a scene in the book where before our carriers finish, we go out to do a test off of the coast of San Diego. The George Washington is doing sea trials and we fuck with them. And at the very end, the carrier variant A10 does a touch and go on the Washington and the captain of the Washington calls. Did I see a black A10 with a tail hook touchdown on my carrier deck? Because we spoofed all the phalanxes and shut everybody off like, okay, how often.

[Michael]

Are you guys in the sim flying together?

[JT]

Together? I mean, there's. Sometimes we do it like six nights a week.

[Michael]

For how long?

[JT]

God, hours, man. We'll start at like 7 and go to like 2, 3.

[Michael]

Are you just wiped at the end of.

[JT]

Oh, yeah, well, wiped drunk. Like, like that's one thing though that I noticed. So like, there's this. There's. There's this group of F18 pilots and, and like Hollywood people that are starting the sfl, which is the sweatshirt that I've been wearing. Wearing. Yeah, it's the Strike Fighter league. And it's like they're starting a dog fighting esports like, like thing. Really? Yeah. Where like real pilots fight digitally.

[Michael]

Are they gonna have it? Like, if you pull too much G, you'll start graying out and all this stuff too. So they'll have similar.

[JT]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Everything. Everything will be real. Like very real. Because you have to like, dog fighting is, dude, I feel like incredibly fun.

[Michael]

I feel like we are heading towards a place where people don't leave their house.

[JT]

But those guys all came out to my house all real F18 pilots and, and real pilots and stuff like that. And we all started in my bar for a good, you know, two, three hours. Then we went upstairs and jumped on with all my friends and like, they are getting smoked. Really. And we're. I'm trying to figure out like, what. How are you stalling the plane out? Like, like you do this for a little like, like. And then it clicked when I was on the mic with everybody. I go, oh, whoa. These guys have never flown hammered. We do it all the time. We know. We know how to do this freaking 10 old fashions deep. Like they don't. They've never touch controls.

[Michael]

I'm glad that that's the case. I don't think I want Navy pilots to know how to fly, Hammer.

[JT]

No, but we're really good at it, man. But I mean we, dude, we do fun stuff. Like one time, there was one night we did a 25 ship mission with F14s where there was a person in the front in the back of 25 airplanes. And we had to do a 200 mile like ferry to get into the combat area. So like we're at 35, 000ft and you'd look left and right and just see F14s. And then there's 50 people just talking in there over the radio.

[Michael]

I feel like you could just hit the fast forward button.

[JT]

We have fun.

[Michael]

I'm sure that you guys do.

[JT]

Jesus.

[Michael]

Nerd alert. How do people join the Wet Voice community? Community?

[JT]

You message me on Instagram or go to the. Go to the Instagram. The Wet Voice, which also we've. We have coined ourselves for just massively Talking the Thunderbirds online.

[Michael]

I don't think they're gonna take that well.

[JT]

It pisses a lot of people off, especially when they're like, wait, you guys are digital pilots? We're like, yeah. Like, we. We constantly. Like, we'll go in and like, Art Wilbur is the guy that runs the Instagram over there, and he'll be like, 2 out of 10 on every post that they make. Like. And then, like. Like, I, like, filmed him. I'm like, you could park a bus between this formation, like, practicing, man. Aren't you. Aren't you guys just digital pilots? Yeah, and we can do better than that.

[Michael]

The Thunderbird documentary that came out, I think, late last year. Damn, it's good.

[JT]

I didn't like it.

[Michael]

How come? I. I just like the performance, the flying, the precision and performance.

[JT]

I wish that they would have just stuck to that, that they tried to add that stupid drama with that guy not being able to make that maneuver.

[Michael]

Yeah, he wasn't able to make it.

[JT]

No, he. That. That was all fabricated.

[Michael]

How do you know that?

[JT]

Because they just. But also, too, You're. You're picked to be a Thunderbird because you're a good pilot. Now all of a sudden, it's like, yeah, oh, oh, oh. You're gonna. We're a day away from our first show, and you. You. You can't do the maneuver. It's just like, dude, stop. Make them. You should have made them all rock star. Make them all infallible. Like, let. Let the audience go, man. Though. That's what the Thunderbirds like definition is. It's like, you're perfect, so you can't show.

[Michael]

We can wake up perfect.

[JT]

Don't want.

[Michael]

You have to practice.

[JT]

Don't want weakness.

[Michael]

Don't. You need to show people a reasonable progression from normal to perfect?

[JT]

No. This is why I love the movie From Paris with Love and Beekeeper, because of the only two movies seen either of those. Are you serious? From Paris with Love is awesome.

[Michael]

And is that a recent movie?

[JT]

No. It's like, Michael, have you seen From Paris?

[Michael]

Will love.

[JT]

It's.

[Michael]

We all knew the answer.

[JT]

John Travolta.

[Michael]

John Travolta, yeah. Also a pilot, by the way.

[JT]

Like, these are the two.

[Michael]

You want me to watch a movie where he looks like that? Yeah.

[JT]

And he's. He's a GRS guy or ground branch, probably.

[Michael]

I will watch it because you recommended it, but I don't support how he looks.

[JT]

Here's the plot difference.

[Michael]

Why does he have an AT4 in his shoulder?

[JT]

Because he fires it At a car. But this is the Beekeeper. And from Paris with Love, they pulled the Beekeeper are the two. Two movies that don't follow your standard plot like. Like line. Like arc. Your story arc, where they establish our main character as like infallible, untouchable, and just better. And everybody up at the beginning of the movie. And they never vary from that. That and I like I do. Because I'm not watching a movie to be simulated in turmoil. I'm watching it like. Like I want the biggest gun, unlimited ammo. And I want to see you just win the whole time. Because then I'm just like doing this.

[Michael]

Just watch John Wick then even that.

[JT]

Though he has his weak moments. We all know. No, no, not the Beekeeper.

[Michael]

Get your head out of fantasy Land.

[JT]

I want Fantasy Land. I don't want simulated turmoil. Like it's the same thing. Like, I disagree with video games. Like, If I spend $80 on a video game, I should have the option to have everything unlocked. Every. Every gun and unlimited ammo and not die micro purchase.

[Michael]

Let me tell you, I've had. God, my kids when they were younger. Dad, can we buy some gems? Dad, can we buy some coins? You know, it's the entry point of the game and I had made them. I made the mistake one time of. I think I. I linked my card.

[JT]

Oh, no.

[Michael]

To their account. Out several hundred dollars later, we unlinked that card. But in that several hundred dollars, I think about six days had transpired.

[JT]

Oh, my God. They're just on an app game too. Yeah. Oh, it's just.

[Michael]

Yeah, because the app is free. Dad, can I download this? It's free.

[JT]

Okay. But I need gems.

[Michael]

Yeah, well, you know, I want to get a new skin. I want to get whatever I need to unlock this, that or the other. Yeah, it was this.

[JT]

You. You watch this movie, It'll be a 10 minute topic on a show for you. Because this is hilarious. Because the Beekeeper is. Is a position that we have inside the CIA that we all didn't know about.

[Michael]

Listen, I'll watch these shows, all right? I'm a little nerded out by the From Paris with Love. I'm not the biggest fan of John Travolta.

[JT]

This is a different style of movie for him. Like, and you're gonna see it's pretty funny.

[Michael]

I think the last good movie he made was Face off with Nicholas Cage.

[JT]

But this is this still old one. He was still. He's still pretty good though.

[Michael]

I'll talk about something deep in Scientology.

[JT]

Oh, really, Nick? Cage or John Travolta.

[Michael]

Yeah, John Travolta.

[JT]

I didn't know that.

[Michael]

He's like an OT7.

[JT]

Oh, God.

[Michael]

You need to get back in the books. You need the books.

[JT]

That's like $2 million.

[Michael]

Probably. Yeah, and I think a whole lot of BS, too, but I don't know, maybe he can move stuff with his mind. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not sure. All right, I'll report back on how shitty these movies are, because I will watch them. I'm not going to say it's going to be at a rapid pace, but I will take a look at these.

[JT]

And. I mean, the beekeeper. There's two. There's. There's a great scene. The beekeeper. Great scene in From Paris With Love. Beekeeper. He wraps a toe strap around a guy and then puts it on a truck and. And. And puts the truck and drive off a bridge. It's hilarious. And also, didn't the guy just take.

[Michael]

It off his neck?

[JT]

The beekeeper chose. They were. They're very. They're very tactful when they chose the enemy in the. In the movie because it's a they. He's going after these. These, like, digital scammers that, like, caused this teacher to. To. To, like, commit suicide because they told her that they were her bank and they, like, stole all her money. Don't move.

[Michael]

What's wrong with that guy's hands?

[JT]

He cut his fingers off with a band saw. Well, he. Jason Statham did.

[Michael]

That's the Hunger Games guy. What's under there? That? He's.

[JT]

That's just his beekeeper suit.

[Michael]

Okay. What is wrong with you?

[JT]

What.

[Connor]

Was that body double meant to look that bad?

[Michael]

Does it look like a mannequin? Yes.

[Connor]

It looks so funny.

[Michael]

First off, looking at that strap, all the man needed to do was shrug his shoulders up and lift his elbows. That's coming right off. You don't even need fingers for that.

[JT]

It was a creative use of a toe strap. I like. I just like the. The cinematics of him. Just.

[Michael]

You and I are into wildly different. And I can appreciate that. All I can see that is like, a, why aren't you fighting back? B, as soon as he walks away, shuck that thing off and go jump in the water and swim away or run away or whatever.

[JT]

But what.

[Michael]

You know? What do I know?

[JT]

Good God.

[Michael]

Good God. I'm even relatively speechless that you recommended that movie. Now after having seen that, I'm gonna say, I'll watch From Paris With Love, but there's less of A chance. I'm watching that one.

[JT]

You know what? From Paris was love. I'd more prefer you to because I think you'll actually like, like it. God. What are you doing with BRCC these days? Motorsports. So our next big thing is the T2 500. Who's driving? Oh, Mr. Cletus McFarland doesn't.

[Michael]

And the other crazy son of a drive, too. Yes.

[JT]

Travis is driving. They're both racing trucks, so the truck. The NAS trucks. So Friday night.

[Michael]

Okay.

[JT]

Race. So big. Big one. We're gonna have a lot of fun.

[Michael]

Those two can both drive their asses off.

[JT]

I mean, Cletus is good.

[Michael]

He has a track in his backyard.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

So he should be good. Pastrana is just. Damn, dude. Is there anything he's not good at?

[JT]

I honestly think this year you should pull him up here and we should. Because he. He gets so sickly good so fast. We should try and run a gump him.

[Michael]

I'm game.

[JT]

Let's. Let's spend two days and go, hey, we're going to see how good we can get you. Because he is so, so internally competitive.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[JT]

That he has to, like, you know, like, he's ranked in the world, like, in the top 10 of Big Buck Hunter HD. Are you serious? Oh, I've watched him like, Shark college kids that didn't know who he was.

[Michael]

Like, it's unfortunate.

[JT]

We were. Yeah, we were. We were like, outside of Charlotte, North Carolina.

[Michael]

And.

[JT]

And you know, these kids come up and they're like. He's like, you want to play for money?

[Michael]

They're like, first off, never say yes to that question. They help you out, young kids.

[JT]

And then, you know, they go. And here goes Travis. Everything plus the bonus. Like, they're like.

[Michael]

Does he have one at his house? Yes, of course. He seems to have quite a few.

[JT]

Toys at the house that dude has lived. I. He has the world's largest outdoor wind tunnel just sitting in the driveway right now. Yeah.

[Michael]

It's not installed yet, right?

[JT]

No, because the. The. The power requirements.

[Michael]

It's immense.

[JT]

Were a little bit more than what his house had.

[Michael]

What's he going to do about that?

[JT]

I don't know. I think he's looking for an industrial place that wants to put an outdoor wind tunnel.

[Michael]

That was originally for a movie set, right?

[JT]

Yeah, it was Tom Cruise's, which is actually really smart.

[Michael]

That is. I mean, the cinematic jumps that they have done are mind blowing. But you want to reduce cost. Wind tunnel with probably blue screen behind. Why did they switch from blue screen to green screen?

[JT]

No, they didn't switch. It's just based off of what you're wearing.

[Michael]

Okay. Like, it's just another.

[JT]

Those are just two colors that don't appear. You know, like, if you're on a green screen and you're wearing that shirt, that would. That would be.

[Michael]

So they could switch it to blue.

[JT]

Yeah, so they'd switch it to blue. Yeah.

[Michael]

That one tunnel, I would like to go utilize that once he has that ready to go. He. Michael pulled up his X ray one time.

[JT]

Oh, Travis's.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[JT]

It's out of control.

[Michael]

There are some videos of him landing in a relatively uncontrolled manner under a variety of parachutes.

[JT]

I was there for. For the. For the hip break.

[Michael]

Yeah. I don't think we ever found the video of him going. It's. It was out in the. Where Was. Wasn't in the desert, but it was, like, basically Utah backcountry, had a cliff strike. It was gnarly.

[JT]

It doesn't phase him. I have what.

[Michael]

That is actually the wildest aspect of that. I mean, I'm glad there's people.

[JT]

He has this thing where, like. Like, where, you know, I have, like, replayed my death a thousand times or million. Like. Like every time we left the freaking wire to go out on a mission. Like, I'm like, oh, I could get hit by an id.

[Michael]

Is it.

[JT]

I could get hit by. Okay, this.

[Michael]

That's pretty low just for people. Oh, God.

[JT]

That's not Travis, though. Travis don't have arm tattoos. Oh, God.

[Michael]

That makes my stomach hurt. Maybe it wasn't Trav. I thought it was.

[JT]

Well, he had a. That guy had a sleeve. Travis don't have a sleeve.

[Michael]

I don't know.

[JT]

Yeah, that's just.

[Michael]

Okay. It was his buddy.

[JT]

All right, action figures.

[Michael]

That's twin. That's Michael. That bridge right there. No, I mean, that's where one of the episodes is going to occur. If you end up in a wheelchair, that'll be based off the decisions you make.

[JT]

But he, like. So what? He, like. Like I said, like it. You. You replay it. Oh, I could get shot. I could do this. This could happen. This could have jumping accidents. This. Yikes. He doesn't. None of that crosses his mind.

[Michael]

You ever had a brain scan?

[JT]

Yes. He went through all of the boot campaign.

[Michael]

Did he. Is he missing portions of, like, the, I don't know, center of his brain that thinks about those things?

[JT]

Like, I don't have to ask, because that. That was one thing he said about when he jumped out without the parachute. He's Like, I never once considered that this would go wrong. I'm like, what? Have you seen that video, Michael jumping without a parachute?

[Connor]

Yeah, maybe.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Connor]

I think we looked it up.

[Michael]

Yeah, we did.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

There's no CGI in this one. Have you ever seen the movie Free Solo?

[JT]

No.

[Michael]

Without Alex Hall.

[JT]

I know. I know the one you're talking.

[Michael]

So they put him into a brain scanning machine, and he did not exhibit the normal firing of the brain in the fear response area that others did.

[JT]

And that's where I think he. Yeah, he probably has that because he also, like, getting hurt to him is like, almost. And like, it's just part of the job.

[Michael]

I mean, it is until it isn't, man. How old is he now?

[JT]

41.

[Michael]

Okay. He's younger than I thought. 51's gonna sting for him.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Oh, 61's gonna hurt even more.

[JT]

I mean, hopefully by then he could just get metal eggs.

[Michael]

Just running around on carbon fiber stuff. I am glad there are people like that who exist. I've only hung out with him twice. I saw him that one time when we went and did backseat rides. And then at the 24 or 2.4 hours of lay mullets, which, by the way, I feel like was my pro racing debut. Not a big deal. We don't have to celebrate it, but I think today is a good day to announce that we will be returning in.

[JT]

Yes. And you will be. You will be the highlighted driver.

[Michael]

I need a racing suit.

[JT]

Yes. Like, we need to design it probably with, like, these. By the way, did you notice, like, you're in a new set?

[Michael]

I know. You're the second episode. Let's take a moment to appreciate how badass this place is.

[JT]

Yes.

[Michael]

I like it a lot. There's a few lighting tweaks that we'll make that we the. But, like, as far as the rendering, I did not think that it would look picture identical to the rendering because I've seen some renderings of stuff. Right. And then there's always the reality or you get to an angle or a measurement.

[JT]

I mean, even the detail of the texture that they did in the paint here. Yeah. Like, this is. This is why, like, Hollywood set people or are unmatched.

[Michael]

One of the things I did have to fix, all of the firearms were on fire. I fixed them. Or at least the ones that I've walked around.

[JT]

I mean, I really like the ones they chose. The pistols are great.

[Michael]

It's our first iteration where it was, let's just say gun heavy.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

This is way better, man. All these pictures are meaningful. So this is from over near San Diego. This is over Oceanside. That is when we did the triple seven. I thought that Antarctica was going to be the coolest jump. But don't get me wrong, it was really cool, but it just looked like snow. It looked like snow.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

That. Which we were not directly over the top of it. So there. The photographer did an amazing job. And he, like, there was no sight. He was looking through. He was just lining this up and firing off pictures. But to look down and see the great pyramids was.

[JT]

Dude, it was a trip that was insane.

[Michael]

Yeah. And then obviously, that's from our 80th anniversary trip to Normandy, which I'm so.

[JT]

Glad I did that.

[Michael]

I am, too, because there's no way that any of those guys are going to be around for another major one like the 85th or the 90th. It's just not gonna happen.

[JT]

You're. You're. We're two years out from.

[Michael]

Yeah. I really love that Evan missed the DZ as the first guy out on the static line jump. I appreciate it so deeply. That's fine.

[JT]

Because I was number two.

[Michael]

Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. Look before you jump.

[JT]

Well, you know what? Like, we were. Luckily, we have a lot of static line jumps because the second that I came out, I'm over the parking lot and everybody else is hooting and hollering, playing there like a high five games. I pulled and started running with the wind because I was trying to get to that field because I knew I needed to.

[Michael]

Cross field is better than car.

[JT]

Yes, of course. And no kidding, like you. You watch my helmet video on that one. I'm like 25ft from the trees, like, in that nice, soft.

[Michael]

If you hadn't made that decision early. That's what gets people as they look and they like, what am I? It's like, no, take action. I tell you what, man. When we went and stood on Omaha beach at the low tide, I mean, I had heard about the ground that they had had to cover, but that's.

[JT]

The one thing Saving Private Ryan didn't properly get. Because in. In the opening scene of Saving Private ryan, it's like 200 yards to that. No, no, no, no, no. It's a kilometer to that first bulkhead, dude.

[Michael]

And from low ground to high, the entire way.

[JT]

Yeah. You're taking machine gun fire the entire way. Do you know what are we watching here, Michael?

[Michael]

Are you doing your job over there?

[Connor]

No, not really.

[Michael]

God.

[JT]

Do you know that there was monkey.

[Michael]

That we could hire and replace him with. Because I feel like.

[JT]

Well, you know that there was a three star general that was the third core commander that was supposed to. To go in on one of the boats that was after the beach was taken and he was going to set up the cp. His three star general somehow got on phase one. So when he gets out, he sees all the lieutenants and everybody's just laying down like. And they're not assaulting. Yeah. And he grabs a private and a specialist and he starts leading a assault. Well, all these like captains and lieutenants see a three star like leading this assault and it gets them all like hyped up and they freaking get violent and they, and they roll out. He got the. There's a distinguished service cross for that like, because he like straight up led this. This gigantic assault. So this was the one thing that, that I felt like.

[Michael]

I think they captured this essence of. In the feeling. But zip forward a little bit, Michael, just to.

[JT]

If they're on the beach, but showing. And I don't know if you know, there was a. There was originally a bunch of dialogue here.

[Michael]

See, this is a shorter distance by a lot.

[JT]

Like this is literally as if we are at that. The gravel down, like the rocks down. Pretty much.

[Michael]

Michael, I would put this one on your bucket list of travel actually. If you go to Europe.

[Connor]

Oh yeah, that's a good call.

[Michael]

Omaha and then the cemetery that overlooks it is.

[JT]

We were out there at the time of landing with the same tide.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[JT]

And it was easily.

[Michael]

It took a few minutes to walk out to the water's edge and then come back.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

It was. God, the stones on those guys.

[JT]

I mean, you had no choice. Yeah.

[Michael]

I would love to think in those moments and be like, let's go.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

So like hiding behind some random piece.

[JT]

Of steel and you're, you're just waiting like, dude, man.

[Michael]

Okay, so the mullets. 20, 26. Not a big deal. What else do we have? We have a project we've been kicking around. Do we breathe life into our project? I think we can make it happen because we talk about it. So therefore we must.

[JT]

Well, we need, we need the audience to weigh in. And I also think that we need to choose like a police expert because we need somebody to represent that side for this, for this to, you know, for this to properly be. And what it is, is I want to bring in Texas Dave, you and me, a police expert. Maybe we maybe try and find somebody that's a car chase expert or something. And we want to. We want to build the. The be all, end all getaway vehicle for a bank heist.

[Michael]

Which we'll end up driving to the 2.4 hours where it can be the pace car.

[JT]

Pace car.

[Michael]

Yes. Well, Cannonball, run that thing.

[JT]

And then we're going to test it here in KO with the Cowspell police department and sheriffs where. Where Michael's going to pretend to rob the bank.

[Michael]

Yeah. So Michael. Sorry. You're in this.

[Connor]

It actually sounds insanely fun.

[Michael]

I'm down. So interesting that you said that before I finished my sentence. Because they were going to do some taser training. There's going to be a foot pursuit aspect. You're welcome. That's your.

[JT]

You have duffel bags full of. Wait a second.

[Michael]

No. Michael, you're 23. You're not even old enough to get a rental car.

[Connor]

That's not true. Now I. It's not fun anymore. I don't want to do it.

[Michael]

But let us reverse time 30 seconds where you said. And I believe JT can be a witness to this. That sounds really fun. I'm in. Those are the two words that I'm focusing on. Because you actually were in on this regardless of whether or not you want to.

[Connor]

Right. I just thought there would be. I would be driving.

[Michael]

No, because to make it harder for the cops, Somebody's gonna have to go on foot. They're gonna have to split forces.

[JT]

And you have to have three duffel bags full of simulated gold. So it's gonna be really heavy. Listen, you're stealing gold, Michael. Dude, we are already letting you simulation.

[Michael]

Requirements of the job. So you can start doing shoulder strugs in the gym now.

[Connor]

Yeah, I guess so.

[JT]

I mean you should go to the gym with duffel bags full of lead.

[Michael]

And sprint on a treadmill just so you're in this.

[Connor]

I'll get started on that.

[Michael]

You should. Thank you.

[Connor]

Thank you.

[Michael]

I will be escaping from the police. I really think we could get Montana highway patrol, KPD and K. They have to complete.

[JT]

They have to compete like cuz again, only one of them gets the vehicle. Well, I mean still two out of three. We. We built a good vehicle, but for science. Yeah.

[Michael]

I mean, how can they not do it? This is. Is for science.

[JT]

And we. We're gonna design the course. That's not just like it. It has to simulate like. Like we're really trying to get away. So there has to be some like. Oh, you've got to turn around. You gotta do this.

[Michael]

We're 60 miles from the Canadian border here. So one of the escape Avenues could be. We got to get to the border. I like this. We need to breathe life.

[JT]

Yes. We need to. We need a meeting with the sheriff.

[Michael]

I can. I can facilitate. Facilitate that. I think we could find time to do this where it would not be destructive to society.

[JT]

Not at all.

[Michael]

They could participate. Yeah.

[JT]

I mean, they probably want to watch it just like we closed Bernie down for final send. Like the. The town would gather to watch. I think these three iterations of. Of escape, plus there's.

[Michael]

I mean, it's rural enough. There's places where we could do this stuff that would be absolutely no impact.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Okay. We need to do that in 2020.

[JT]

And we need a shop, though. We need a. We need a fab shop that's willing to. To sponsor this for us and help us build this vehicle.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[JT]

So if you're. If you're. If you're a good mechanic that wants to build something really cool, you know, that'll be branded.

[Michael]

Yeah, it'll be up here. And I'll race that thing ignoring all law enforcement attempts to stop me along the way to the 2.4 hours of limits. Will I make it there? Hard to say.

[JT]

Hard to say.

[Michael]

Hard to say. Yeah. No, I like that idea.

[JT]

But I think with our expertise, I mean, and that's what. That's what I want to do is I want to. I want us to sit down at this table on camera with. With butcher paper and everything and listen to guys like Texas Dave and. And go through. And go, okay, what are our. What are our hazards and obstacles inside this town? You know, what. What do we need out of a vehicle? You know, what does the suspension need? What does the power needs? All right, and then what platform are we choosing?

[Michael]

And it also has to blend in a little bit.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Because you can't have this. I mean, you can't show up in a Bugatti. Not that I'm saying a Bugatti would be the excellent getaway car, especially if it's going to be off road.

[JT]

Road.

[Michael]

You would need a sleeper. Yeah, you need to have something that. It would be like a mullet. All business up front, but all party in the rear.

[JT]

I mean, maybe it's a minivan.

[Michael]

I mean, I actually think with the ones, the Odysseys, where you hit the button and they auto open, it could be the world's best urban assault vehicle. And on the way, you flip down the DVD player, maybe you're watching Heat on the way, it's hard to say exactly what's going on. I don't know. If I'd go minivan because. Well, I guess you could did increase the off road performance. But I don't know if that thing's weight and balanced for off road. So true. I think they have four is close.

[JT]

I mean that or an sti. I think a lifted STI with some clearance. Because again I think you want to be able to eat a curb.

[Michael]

I think you have to be able to.

[JT]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Because let's be honest. The realistic way somebody's going to try to get away specifically of being pursued by law enforcement curbs no longer. It'd be like the Back to the future saying where we're going, there are no roads.

[JT]

There are no roads.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[JT]

I'm going to show you. Like because remember I. When we were talking about this I. I started like thinking about pit vehicles. Like and like I rendered this like. Like how much easier it would be to pit a vehicle if you had.

[Michael]

If you have that. But we'd have to figure out a way where that's retractable in some way. So it would have a smaller footprint.

[JT]

Exactly, exactly. It could fold back like or you just hit a button and it extends.

[Michael]

I like this idea. So we need to do that. Probably. We gotta. So when is the lily mullets? That's in November. Okay. So Q4. We probably need to start building a car in Q2 and execute the August.

[JT]

Yeah. Q3 do the tests.

[Michael]

Y.

[JT]

And then we. We give the winner of the police of the law enforcement agency that gets the closest. And then I'd say you give that.

[Michael]

Agency free BRCC for a year.

[JT]

Yeah. Yeah. 100%. They get a whole. They get a whole coffee station.

[Michael]

Yeah. I think that would be amazing. We need to do this and taser train.

[JT]

Yeah. Taser.

[Michael]

If you're nice, I'll let you wear a shirt. We're going to get a nice skin it to win it.

[Connor]

Wait, am I getting tased as I'm running away?

[JT]

Yes.

[Michael]

That more depends on your performance.

[JT]

Okay. You're wearing a pink. A pink ski mask.

[Michael]

No, no. Panty hose with his nose like smashed down.

[Connor]

I'm going to be grievously injured.

[Michael]

No one knows. They'll be a waiver. Don't worry about it.

[Connor]

Perfect.

[JT]

You don't get injured from a taser. Dude.

[Michael]

If something.

[Connor]

When I fall down.

[JT]

Who cares? Yeah.

[Michael]

If something happens, the cops are right there. We can get you to the hospital pretty quickly.

[JT]

I mean a taser. A taser ends like immediately. It's not like you have. Right.

[Connor]

But the pain from you know, I'm probably broken nose from me falling. Falling flat on my.

[Michael]

Well, make sure they tase you on grass.

[JT]

God.

[Michael]

Think outside of the box.

[Connor]

We need to have somebody running alongside me with a little cushion so that when I get tasty, throw it out.

[JT]

Yes.

[Michael]

This is what I have to deal with.

[JT]

No, no, no.

[Connor]

That's my stipulation.

[JT]

You just gotta take it.

[Michael]

First off, let me tell you what you can do with your stipulation.

[Connor]

Does it involve my ass?

[Michael]

Yeah, it can if you want. I mean, again, I'm not going to tell people how to live their life.

[JT]

Life. And that is why Omaha beach was shorter in Saving Private Ryan.

[Michael]

I got to get you to the airport. I mean, what have we been at, Michael, about an hour and a half? Almost two hours?

[Connor]

Yeah, 140.

[Michael]

Nice. Perfect.

[JT]

Wow.

[Michael]

What do you want to close it out with? And then we'll get you out of here.

[JT]

Hey, you know, we. We did this lap. I hope you guys check out cool worlds. It's great. I think you would. You would.

[Michael]

I'll check it out for sure.

[JT]

David would be a phenomenal guest to bring up there. He is such an interesting person.

[Michael]

Like, legit scientific background.

[JT]

God. Yeah, He's. He's a. A professor at Columbia for astronomy.

[Michael]

Currently.

[JT]

Yes.

[Michael]

Okay.

[JT]

He's rad. You watch one video, you'll be like, I'm hooked. Like, this guy is awesome. Aliens are real. We're just algae. Or we're. You know, it's possible. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Michael]

Podcasting is over for you, except for being a guest.

[JT]

And yeah.

[Michael]

BRCC Motorsports, look forward to the very minimum, the 2.4 hours of late mullets, which it actually is. Neat. In 2.4 hours, it's 30 minutes per driver. Do I get to partner up with Bucky again?

[JT]

Yes, of course.

[Michael]

That's the team tactician, that dude.

[JT]

That's the team.

[Michael]

Here's the thing. Now I have a better understanding. My whole goal was like, don't wreck this car to get it to the pro.

[JT]

Let's get you guys to a. Let's get you guys to a school together this year.

[Michael]

It's even, like. It was even smaller stuff. He's like, dude, when they. The yellow flag comes out, you get on the ass of the person in front of you. I was thinking of it was, let's give myself a little space. So that way, the car. I just wanted to get him a fresh car, which I was able to do. He. He totally disrespected my efforts and just decided to flip it, but actually, he was completely jumped. Into that. He had no. There was nowhere for him to go anywhere. But now I have a better understanding of the gamesmanship of it. Like, let's go.

[JT]

Oh, and we're gonna wrap. We're gonna have ours wrapped this year.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[JT]

So, like, we're going.

[Michael]

We should do a driving course, though. That'd be awesome.

[JT]

He's a pro Subaru driver. You two need to do something together. Like, and you have to be in your new race suits. Oh, yes. We got to get you a helmet. Yes.

[Michael]

Yes. You only should do sports that require helmets.

[JT]

Yeah, like helicopters. Yeah.

[Michael]

All right, dude, let's get you to the airport.

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