Choices Have Consequences | Negligent Discharge Friday | 7.3.2026

Summary

Cleared Hot Podcast – "Choices Have Consequences | Negligent Discharge Friday"

Host: Andy Stumpf
Guest/Co-Host: Michael
Release Date: July 3, 2026
Episode Overview:
In this wide-ranging episode, Andy Stumpf explores the idea that “choices have consequences,” weaving through recent headlines, listener interactions, and quirky news. The show covers the state of military/veteran integrity, handling controversy as a podcast host, choices in law enforcement, personal accountability, and features a recurring call for self-reflection and personal agency. The tone is blunt, irreverent, and honest throughout, with memorable conversations about everything from alcohol-induced airport incidents to hand-to-hand combat breakdowns.

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Episode Structure & Key Segments

1. Opening Banter and Setting the Scene

• [00:15–03:00]
  • Andy and Michael set a casual tone, discussing their personal plans for the 250th Fourth of July, fireworks, and the merits of chilled rosé.
  • Memorable Quote:
    • Andy (jokingly): “Real party animal.” (01:31)
    • Michael: “Yeah, you know that I'm a crazy, crazy guy.” (01:32)

2. Listener Email Deep Dive: Authenticity & Integrity in Veteran Storytelling

• [03:10–19:30]

• Andy reads and critiques a lengthy, anonymous listener email expressing disillusionment with military podcasts and the alleged integrity issues in the veteran community. The email questions how audiences should distinguish between fact and fiction in storytelling, and cynically references “profit in lies.”

• Andy explains how most negative, critical emails lack a valid return address—a sign of people wanting to “be transmit only.”

• Andy shares his unreplied response, challenging the notion of a community-wide integrity problem and emphasizing that “it's a people problem, not a community problem.”

• He makes clear that hosting people with outlandish or fringe views doesn’t imply endorsement but promotes open dialogue and personal accountability—both as a host and as a listener.

  • Notable Quotes:
    • Andy: “As the host of a show, I should be able to...sit down with somebody like that who I disagree with. And then, literally, the next day...talk about a veteran’s military record.” (14:05)
    • Andy: “Take some agency in how you are receiving the information. There is bias in all of those things and bullshit artists in all of those things as well...” (15:25)
    • Andy’s closing advice: “If you want to have a conversation, let’s do it. Don’t be a little bitch though, and just try to be a child and say this is how I feel and then slam the door on your way out...Don’t be a cunt.” (19:25–19:29)

• Andy invites civil, respectful dialogue for deeper understanding but makes it clear he won’t chase anonymous negativity.

3. Incident Analysis: Dustin Poirier's Airport Arrest (Father's Day Incident)

• [19:54–25:43]

• Andy and Michael break down the MMA fighter’s drunken airport altercation, expressing relief that it de-escalated, and reflecting on law enforcement’s decision calculus when dealing with physically dangerous but impaired individuals.

• Discusses appropriate use-of-force escalation and the unique threat posed by an intoxicated professional fighter.

  • Memorable Quotes:
    • Andy: “You want to talk about putting the responders in a position...okay, hands-on isn’t going to work. We’re going to need a fleet of people...So you’re already escalating to your tool belt.” (23:07)
    • Andy: “Be better. Let's be better.” (25:00)

4. Military Conduct and Freedom of Speech: The Arrest of a U.S. Service Member at the Capitol

• [32:45–38:39]

• News reaction and legal breakdown: A U.S. Air Force Major is arrested after protesting in uniform on the Capitol steps, calling for Trump's impeachment.

• Andy provides a primer on the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) regarding political activity in uniform, emphasizing the “choices have consequences” motif.

• Debates whether such acts are bravery or calculated risk, leaving the judgment to the listener.

  • Notable Quote:
    • Andy: “Military service comes with consequences, obligations. And yes, you surrender aspects of the inalienable rights that citizens have, but you knowingly do that.” (37:44)

5. Military Hierarchy, Coffee Politics, and Insider Humor

• [38:56–41:58]

• Andy answers questions about his rank (O3E/Lieutenant with prior enlisted service), poking fun at military coffee-fetching hierarchies and sharing stories about junior enlisted hazing practices.

• Michael hints at a coffee-related prank story, keeping the tone playful and irreverent.

  • Memorable Exchange:
    • Andy: “Sometimes people stir coffee with their penis.” (40:38)
    • Michael: “Don’t be a dick to the people preparing your food.” (41:52)

6. Self-Defense, Violence, and Social Media Antagonism

a) Pastor Street Fight Breakdown

• [42:13–49:45]
  • Viral video where a pastor physically subdues a man who made graphic threats.
  • Andy and Michael break down the fight “MMA style”—from pre-violence cues (removing shoes, posturing) to the use of simple but effective submission techniques.
  • Discuss the right to self-defense and public perception due to the pastor’s job.
  • Quote: Andy: “You have the inherent right to self defense if somebody’s making that threat to your loved ones and family. And again, from my understanding, he met every criteria for self defense.” (49:09)

b) IRL Streamer Confronted by UFC Fighter

• [50:32–56:11]
  • The hosts react to the trend of IRL (in-real-life) streamers provoking public confrontations, leading inevitably to real consequences, such as being punched by a UFC fighter.
  • Andy reflects on the fleeting nature of Internet fame and questions the long-term value and impact of antagonistic behavior for online clout.
  • Notable Quotes:
    • Andy: “People confuse the online world...with the real world, which sometimes you will encounter an ex UFC fighter who doesn’t tolerate that type of language.” (55:49)
    • Michael: “So much of the problems that we've seen today could be solved by not being a dick.” (56:19)
    • Andy: “It’s a good recipe for life.” (56:21)

7. Innovation and Adaptation in Warfare: Ukraine’s Yak-52 “Drone Killers”

• [56:41–61:43]
• Andy and Michael marvel over viral footage of Ukrainian “back-to-basics” innovation—using Yak-52 training planes and carbines to shoot down Russian drones in the current war.
• Discussion touches on the intersection of high-tech and low-tech warfare, and the wild blend of cutting-edge and historical combat methods in modern conflict.
• Quotes:
  • Andy: “They are providing a real world solution to an everyday problem. In Ukraine. In Russia.” (58:35)
  • Andy: “The more high tech things are going, lower tech solutions...the way you win in a tech heavy confrontation is by going as low tech as possible.” (59:50)

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Themes & Takeaways

• Personal Agency & Consequences:
  Across every topic—from podcasting to military protest to drunken altercations—Andy stresses individual responsibility, self-awareness, and accepting the consequences of one’s choices.

• Authenticity, Integrity, and Critique:
  He pushes back on the narrative that all veterans or their stories are tainted by a lack of integrity, arguing that flaws exist everywhere—“It’s a people problem, not a community problem.” (08:10, 12:16, 13:06)

• The Role of a Host & Consuming Media:
  Andy urges listeners to exercise discernment and “take some agency in how you are receiving the information,” noting that hosting someone doesn’t imply endorsement, and bias exists in all media.

• Violence, Self-Defense, and Social Boundaries:
  The show explores multiple incidents where words (or online antics) spill into physical confrontations, analyzing the legitimacy of self-defense and the social consequences of reckless provocation.

• Humor and Humanity:
  Despite heavy topics, the episode is peppered with dark humor, awkward honesty, and a penchant for not taking oneself too seriously.

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Highlight Reel (Timestamps & Key Quotes)

• [04:39] Listener Email:
  “If a podcaster has a man on who insists Bigfoot is an alien…how am I supposed to take it as anything other than fiction?...I like your podcast though as it is the last one I still listen to.” — Anonymous listener email

• [14:05] On Controversial Guests:
  “Having that person on the show doesn’t mean that I believe everything that they say is true.” — Andy

• [19:25] Raw Host Advice:
  “If you want to have a conversation, let’s do it. Don’t be a cunt.” — Andy

• [23:07] On Use of Force:
  “You want to talk about putting the responders in a position...we’re already escalating to your tool belt.” — Andy

• [37:44] On Military Protest:
  “Military service comes with consequences. And yes, you surrender aspects of the inalienable rights that citizens have, but you knowingly do that.” — Andy

• [40:38] Hazing Humor:
  “Sometimes people stir coffee with their penis.”— Andy

• [49:45] Self-Defense Verdict:
  “You have the inherent right to self defense if somebody’s making that threat to your loved ones and family.” — Andy

• [55:49] Online vs. Real-World Consequences:
  “People confuse the online world...with the real world, which sometimes you will encounter an ex UFC fighter...” — Andy

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Closing Message

Through stories both ridiculous and serious, Andy Stumpf effectively weaves together the show’s threads with irreverent candor—reminding listeners that being honest, owning your choices, and not being an asshole to others (online or off) will get you further than most life hacks. The recurring motif: “choices have consequences” is lived out in real-time, with comedic, critical, and sometimes sobering effect.

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For newcomers:
This episode delivers unfiltered dialogue, nuanced takes on current events, practical wisdom, and plenty of laughs—anchored by Andy Stumpf’s experience, humility, and commitment to real talk.

Transcript

[Andy Stonf]

Okay, I got the red smoke. Sun runs north and south west of the smoke. West of the smoke. Okay, copy. West of the smoke. I'm looking at danger close now. Oh, with it, baby.

[Michael]

Give it to me.

[Andy Stonf]

I mean, it cleared hot. Copy, cleared hot. What do you have planned, Michael, for the 250th birthday of our nation? You will be alive to see the 300th. So maybe you'll have your big banger party then. But what, 50 years?

[Michael]

Um, I don't know. Actually, uh, I think we're gonna go floating on the Swan tomorrow or Saturday

[Andy Stonf]

on Swan Lake River. I was gonna say.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

I don't know how far you would float. That would be wind dependent, I feel.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah. No, that wouldn't be a very good float, but yeah. Swan River.

[Andy Stonf]

Where do you enter that? Over by a big fork.

[Michael]

Yeah, by the. Near the A bar is. No, it's. Anyways, yeah, it's.

[Unidentified Guest 1]

It's.

[Michael]

Well, it's actually kind of in the Swan area. You go down the Swan a little ways, maybe 10 miles, and there's a

[Andy Stonf]

put in spectacularly broad description of what you plan on doing and where.

[Michael]

That's. That was the plan, actually. Yeah. Okay.

[Andy Stonf]

Congratulations on that. Good job. You need fireworks. You're going to risk any of your limbs, fingers.

[Michael]

I never get fire fireworks. I. If I do do fireworks, it's because I went somewhere like somebody's house that has them. I mean, so.

[Andy Stonf]

Real party animal.

[Michael]

Real party. Yeah, you. I mean, you know that I'm a crazy, crazy guy.

[Andy Stonf]

I've seen you crush some rose.

[Unidentified Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

Jose is good chilled. I don't know if room temperature rose is good.

[Michael]

Yeah, I'm not.

[Andy Stonf]

Yeah, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna knock a chilled rose in the proper setting.

[Michael]

I got the top of a hotel.

[Andy Stonf]

Yes. I mean, that's where I saw you crushing rose. I don't know if it's a good Kentucky Derby drink. Not that I've been to the Kentucky Derby. Don't they do mint drinks there? Mint juleps or something like that?

[Michael]

I have no clue.

[Andy Stonf]

All right, before we kick off, every once in a while I get a good email that I would like to read and address for the audience. And I think people will understand why. And this is not an attempt to highlight anything negative. I would actually consider this email to be very neutral, but it highlights two things that are interesting. The first one is this. I'm not that hard to get ahold of, and I do my best to read and respond to the emails that I do Get. I apologize if I don't get back to every single one. I'm doing the best that I can. I also have other things personally and professionally I have to work on. It's not hard to reach out to me or figure out how to get a hold of me.

[Michael]

Your email is everywhere.

[Andy Stonf]

It's out there. And I also have a contact me on both the Cleared Hot podcast website and the andystonf.com website which sends it directly to me. It is so interesting to me the difference in emails between those who provide contact information back and those that don't.

[Michael]

Wait. So can people send anonymous emails?

[Andy Stonf]

Yes.

[Michael]

Oh, interesting.

[Andy Stonf]

They can. And they almost always fall into two types of buckets. If the feedback is going to be negative or a critique of me as a person, which I'm totally fine with because there's plenty of things that I could do better. No issue with a critique of me as a person. Some things I can't change. I'm as tall as I am. My eyes are the color that they are, so my voice sounds like what it does. I apologize if those things are offensive to you in some ways can't solve those negative feedback or tell me, you know, people writing in, telling me that I'm a cuck for the government, you know, the military industrial complex, never has a response. The more negative the feedback, the less likely it is to receive an email that I could respond to and most of the times I wouldn't. But sometimes, and this is an example of one where like I said, there's certainly feedback in this, but I consider it neutral and it actually highlights a couple things that I think are important for people to remember, which is why I wrote go back, hit send and it says mailbox can't be found. And that's when people put in, they want to, they want to be transmit only. Yeah, they want to be critical, but they don't want to hear what you have to say and live your life however you want to. If you want to live yourself in a closed off walled garden like that, please, by all means do. But I'll read the email, then I'll read my response. Okay, I don't. Listen to me. What was the subject? Subject was Q and A. I thought we were going to get a. A question.

[Michael]

That's what I would assume.

[Andy Stonf]

Yeah, I don't listen to military based podcasts anymore. I don't read the books. My grandfather served in the Pacific during the war and so I read all the great books like with the Old Breed and Helmet for my Pillow. I Never understood why he was so quiet about his service and disgusted with my interest in those books. Now after American Sniper and the Lone Survivor, I get why he was we have no idea who's a liar and who isn't. I can't listen to a podcast without having a idea if a guy is a bullshit artist or not. If a podcaster has a man on who insists Bigfoot is an alien living in the South Pole who was transported there via a time travel portal by Raytheon and he put in parentheses the show that did that. I'll leave that out of it. And then has a veteran on the next day telling a bunch of war stories. How am I supposed to take it as anything other than fiction? If it is all fiction, I'm better off going back to Charles Dickens. I don't even expect you to respond to this. I just think it's sad. The last community that was really respected by all has kind of an integrity problem. I know it won't get fixed. There's too much profit in lies. I didn't read your book and I won't. I like your podcast though as it is the last one I still listen to. I hope we don't end up to find out you were a cook on an aircraft carrier. Not that there's anything wrong with that. You can hate on me all you want. It's not because people are too fat that they are no longer joining up in numbers that they used to. It's because the next generation is smarter and they know about the integrity problem. So that's the email that I received and it happened to catch me in a moment where I was in front of the computer. So I wrote back. Mail delivery address not found. The podcast is brought to you by Helix. This remains one of the easiest ad reads for me to do because I sleep on a Helix mattress. Every I've said it so many times. 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If the first mattress that shows up doesn't suit your fancy the way that you want it to, they're also award winning. Helix is the most awarded mattress brand tested and reviewed by experts like Forbes and wired. Go to helixsleep.com ClearedHot for 20% off site wide, 25% off luxe mattresses and 30% off elite mattresses. That's helixsleep.com Clearedhot for 20% off site wide,25% off deluxe mattresses and 30% off the elite mattresses. Helixsleep.com Clearedhut back to the show he did put in an email address or I'm gonna I know it's a he based off the name. Assuming that it was the name that he used, I'll leave the name out of it and there looks like it could be real. Most of the fake ones are like 1, 8, 4 or it's just a random string. Random string of numbers. Maybe there was a misspelling. Maybe there was per chance. Per chance. Here's what I wrote back. I appreciate the email and I understand your perspective. Unfortunately, you will never find out that I served on an aircraft carrier. It's not because that was my classified service. It's because that just didn't happen. My military record is very straightforward and openly verifiable. You can take that or leave it. For what it's worth, I'm always honest about my service, what I experienced and what I did. Your email is interesting. I'm curious why you took the time to write to me. Sure, there are examples of those that have issues with integrity, but for some reason you are hyper fixating on those and ignoring the vast majority who do not. Why is that? The veteran community is comprised of people and people have issues. No one is perfect and some people are motivated by fame, fortune, or the combination of the two. Others are not. Do the bad apples speak for the community as a whole? They certainly do not. And I would challenge you to give me an example of any community that does not have their fair share of individuals struggling with integrity. It is not a community problem. It's a people problem. If you confuse the size of someone's audience with their Integrity or authenticity, you are always going to be susceptible to their influence. Why would I hate on you for any reason? Because you have true but critical things to say about the veteran community that doesn't bother me. If you do actually follow my show, then you should know that I am also very critical of the community at times. The truth is the truth and should never be hidden. Why do you feel the need to tell me that you didn't read my book and then further emphasize that you won't? What reaction are you hoping to achieve from me by saying that? I hate to break it to you, but it has no impact on me? I wrote the book as an attempt to have a positive impact on the world around me. I've received hundreds of emails from people thanking me for doing so and letting me know that they found it at a time when it made an immense impact on their life. I know that I can never please everyone and I am making no attempt to do so. There is little to no money in book publishing, at least not for the author. I wrote the book for impact, not for money. I suspect that every generation feels it is smarter and more evolved than the ones before it. There is nothing new there. Depth of belief and validity of belief are not connected. Only time will tell if your statement is true. Thanks for taking the time to email, even though it seems as if it was just event session aimed at someone who is actually trying to do their best with the small impact that they have. Andy. So a few things. Hold on. I have to go back to the actual email itself because. Because I do think it highlights some stuff as a consumer of content. Michael, you listen to other podcasts, right?

[Michael]

Sometimes not really, honestly, but I do. I have.

[Andy Stonf]

Okay, as the. As the listener. If it's an established platform and let's use the two examples. Somebody who thinks that Bigfoot was laser transported somehow by Raytheon and then. And then a veteran the next day. I don't know. I don't know what some people's expectations are from the host. I think there is certainly a line and it comes down to people will say, well, why would you platform that individual? In platforming them, it would or can appear that you are inherently or tacitly supporting their message or you agree with them. And I can understand why some people would say that. Or you could look at it and say the host is not responsible for the beliefs of the person that they are sitting down and having a conversation with. They're responsible for facilitating the conversation, listening to what the person says, pushing back as they feel it's appropriate or engaging the conversation as you feel it's appropriate?

[Unidentified Guest 2]

Yes.

[Andy Stonf]

Because I'm here to tell you that there's no way that any host ever can be 100% completely read in on everything that's going to come up on an episode, especially when it's long form.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

And so I just want to caution people, specifically, as I mentioned in the email, if you are looking for a podcast host or a show host that knows everything about the person that they're going to bring on, I'm here to tell you that it's just not possible. As somebody who creates content, you can't do it. You can know the broader, larger wave tops. And also as a host, it doesn't mean that you support what the person is saying. You were in the room for this. We have a recorded episode right now that will be released in a few weeks. And I'm not going to say that I was mad during that episode, but I was definitely frustrated by some of the things that were said. And there is a vast difference in the beliefs of the individual talking about what they were talking about. In my own personal beliefs.

[Michael]

Yes.

[Andy Stonf]

And you were in the room. I think I pushed back and challenged that guest more than any other guest than I have since you and I have worked together.

[Michael]

That is true. Maybe ever.

[Andy Stonf]

Probably ever. And I tried to do it as professionally as possible, but as intentionally and concisely as possible as well. Having that person on the show doesn't mean that I believe everything that they say is true. It doesn't mean that. That I believe anything that they say. But the topic, and I will leave the topic. I'm going to leave this broad. And I apologize. People are probably wondering what the hell we were talking about. Well, the collapse of survival or of the collapse of society is largely what we were talking about and things associated with that and preparation around those things. I'm interested in that topic. And sitting down and having a conversation with somebody trying to develop a deeper level of understanding in no way, shape or form means that I agree with what that person was saying.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

And as the listener, I guess you are free to make whatever assessment you want. But not everybody has the same beliefs. Not everybody is out there trying to have a positive impact. There are 100% bullshit artists out there. There are 100% just bought in conspiracy theorists out there. As a host of a show, I should be able to, if I maintain my morals and integrity and who I am and how I want to present the show, be able to sit down with Somebody like that who I disag with. And then literally the next day we had a conversation with a veteran and talked about their military record. Now, I'm not going to say we went as far as transported there via time travel portal by Raytheon, but there was some divergence in beliefs. For sure. That episode has nothing to do with the integrity of the next guest that is on the show. I think you have to look at it as an individual. It's an individual journey. Every one of them is an enclosed time capsule that I think you would be better served to view as that time capsule and not extrapolate out from that. Unless you feel that the host is malicious in nature or they are a bullshit artist in nacer. And if that's the case, if you feel that way, why are you consuming the content in the first place?

[Michael]

Right?

[Andy Stonf]

You know what I mean? I can only be myself. We record these episodes, we do the rendering, I hit upload and it goes where it goes. And I stay true to my morals. Take some agency in how you are receiving the information. And I would say that regardless of the type of information that you are consuming, whether that's social media, traditional media, whatever it may be, there is bias in all of those things and bullshit artists in all of those things as well too. Just remember that. And even if somebody has a massive show, that doesn't necessarily mean that the people that they have on are 100% authentic or truthful. It just means they have a larger platform from which, if they are not those things, to have a negative influence.

[Michael]

Yes.

[Andy Stonf]

And as a human being, I mean, believe what you want to believe, but maybe be slow in getting into your beliefs and realize that maybe, yeah, you're sitting down and a conversation goes in a completely different way, you're still having that conversation. I'm telling you right now, as the host of a show, you don't know which way they're going to go. Sometimes it's a little bit wild, sometimes you're over there, you stop doodling and you start laughing because we don't know where it's going to go. But you do the best that you can. I think it's just sad that the last community that was really respected by all has this kind of integrity problem. I hate to break it to you, but the military or veteran community is not respected by all, by any stretch of the imagination. And you really are hyper focusing, fixating and focusing on the things that you perceive to be negative. And you are completely leaving out the people who I think are living up to every ounce of that integrity. So that's just food for thought. It won't get fixed. There's too much profit and lies. I don't know if that's necessarily the case. The profit, I don't think comes from lies or telling the truth. It comes from the size of the audience with which you are promoting your message to the actual profit in this space. The podcasting space is based off the size of your audience multiplied by the dollar figure that an advertiser is going to be willing to pay you. So it's not necessarily the lies, it's as it gets bigger, the numbers get bigger and people who want to lie to a bigger audience will seek out the bigger shows. But there are plenty of examples of shows that are out there that have nothing to do with lying, that are huge, that are massive and actually, as I say, that have nothing to do with lying. About 50% of the US population currently would believe that it has to do with lying because they align on the other side of the political aisle. So again, a little bit of hyper fixation and you're speaking very hyperbolically. I addressed the book thing. People aren't joining because they are. No, not because they are fat. It's because they're smarter and they know about the integrity problem. I wish I could have a conversation with this person. I wish you had put your actual email in there so we could go back and forth and I could get a better understanding of the data points that you are using. I feel like for whatever reason, whatever was going on in your life, you wanted to send me this email. Invent for a little bit, which again, as I responded to, is totally okay and I will engage professionally. I read you every word of my response. Professional and 100% aspect of that. Throwing a message out and wanting to be in transmit only is a way to live your life. And if you want to live your life that way, go ahead. If you want to develop a deeper understanding of the world that is around you, engage in conversations with people. And for those of you who just want to reach out and get your point across and not allow for that two way dialogue, again, live your life the way that you want to. But I think that's the technical definition of being a cunt, I think. So if you want to have a conversation, let's do it. Don't be a little bitch though, and just try to be a child and say this is how I feel and then slam the door on your way up if that's what you want to do. Then do me a favor. Save us both the time and just don't even do it. You want to engage in a conversation, I'm here for it. I am who I am. Like I said, I'm not everybody's cup of tea. And that's okay. I'm not trying to be. That's all I have, Michael. Rest of the show's up to you.

[Michael]

That was good.

[Andy Stonf]

Don't be a cunt.

[Michael]

Don't be a cunt. That's a good idea. Yeah. Like, I seemed a little frustrated with.

[Andy Stonf]

I would love to have a dialogue with that person to understand where they come from. I really, really would, but. And maybe the person does actually listen. If you do hit me back up and put your actual email on there and we can go back and forth.

[Michael]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Dustin Poirier.

[Andy Stonf]

Yeah. Father's Day activities.

[Michael]

Father's Day activities.

[Andy Stonf]

What do you got?

[Michael]

Pull it up. I would hate to be the cop in this scenario.

[Andy Stonf]

Yes. What exactly happened? Okay. He was arrested at the Atlanta airport after he was denied boarding.

[Michael]

I think he was too drunk is what I'm hearing.

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[Andy Stonf]

Let's go.

[Michael]

Doc.

[Unidentified Guest 2]

What's going on?

[Unidentified Guest 1]

What's up?

[Andy Stonf]

Let's go. Let's go. Yeah, pull me off the plane. All my boys went to the crib.

[Michael]

Now.

[Unidentified Guest 2]

What the.

[Michael]

All right, you, bro.

[Unidentified Guest 1]

All right.

[Andy Stonf]

Screw that, man. I'll fight you right now. I've seen enough.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

I've seen enough. You know, when you encounter random people, I guess there are a lot. And this, I think, is. I'm making an assumption here in the law enforcement world, which obviously, this is body cam. If you encounter a random person. I think there's a lot of unknowns when it comes to capabilities. If you encounter Dustin Poirier.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

And he is telling you that he wants to fight you, even though you can tell he's visibly intoxicated. Dropping his bag. There are more knowns than unknowns at this point. And you want to talk, and I can't speak as anybody who is experienced in the use of force protocol for the police. But this is not an unknown where you don't know whether or not they could do severe bodily damage to you.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

Their capabilities. You know exactly who this person is.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

You know what they do for a living. You know their capability. If you, Michael, were the response. You were the peace officer. Oh, responding to this. You recognize this person. What does that do to your threat radar in your own head right there? And he's talking about fighting.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

Yeah. So are you gonna go hands on with this person?

[Michael]

I would try not to.

[Andy Stonf]

Probably not. Because the worst thing you could do would be let this man get a hold of you. He probably would jump guillotine.

[Michael]

Yep. He is fond of that. Very fond.

[Andy Stonf]

And I respect it. And I respect the fact that his coaches were screaming at him in the middle of the round and on the bench in between, saying, don't do that. And he basically looked at them and said, I'll never stop, and then threw it again. And I. I respect. Is really funny, but what I mean, you want to talk about putting the responders in a position where, okay, hands on isn't going to work. We're going to need a fleet of people to deal person. So you're already escalating to your tool belt. You've got Taser and then you've got lethal.

[Michael]

Yeah,

[Andy Stonf]

yeah. It's a horrible place to be in. And I. And I don't know, obviously, Dustin, I don't know him at all. I've never met the person, never said a word to him. He's not being the best expression of himself in this environment.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

I am sure if watching this back, which I will assume he probably has, he's probably had it sent to him by a few people.

[Michael]

I'm sure that's going to be one

[Andy Stonf]

of those moments where you feel sick to your stomach because that's not. It's not who you want to be. Again, I'm making some assumptions. I don't know him at all, so not the best expression of who he would want to be. I would hope that he, in a moment of sobriety and objectivity and reflection later on, would take a moment to realize the situation that he was putting these people in, knowing how dangerous of a human being that he is.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

This is how that use of force continuum rapidly escalates. Because if you have a professional UFC fighter threatening to harm people to include officers, your options are now very limited.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

And I wouldn't want to be in that situation. And having said that, hate to tell you, buddy, you're not that special. You got kicked off a plane just like any other drunk person is going to get kicked off of a plane, and they're not doing anything to you because of who you are, they are doing other things to you or not allowing you on because of what you did.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

I have no idea how famous he is outside of the circles of the mma. I'd say he's very famous inside of those circles. I don't know what that feels like. I don't know how that changes your perception on the world around you, but I'll just say this. Be better.

[Michael]

Be better.

[Andy Stonf]

Let's be better.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

I've never had this happen. I've been the drunk asshole. I've been the guy who was just not the person that I wanted to be by drinking too much. I get it. I totally get it. I'm not saying I'm impervious to that for the remainder of my life. I've never taken it this far and engaged in this manner in an airplane and with the cops there. I mean, this is a very, very rough look, and I hope he takes it seriously. This is a. Maybe not rock bottom, but the elevator's on the way down and maybe we can find a nice foundation from there to work on and go forward. How did it end? I think they didn't fight because that would have made front page news.

[Michael]

I think another officer showed up and they were able. Well, actually, he calms down.

[Unidentified Guest 1]

Good.

[Michael]

I'm pretty sure he calms down.

[Andy Stonf]

Yeah. Let's bump it forward just a little bit. I mean, look at that, though. Like, pause it.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

You hear the tasers already out?

[Michael]

Yep.

[Andy Stonf]

I mean, again, postured up pre violence indicators, balling up his fist. This is stuff. And again, this is a professional fighter.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

If that taser doesn't work.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

Or he misses and Dustin gets on top of him or starts throwing kicks and punches, what would be the expectation from the officer? You just have to eat that.

[Michael]

Yeah, that's not gonna end well.

[Andy Stonf]

And if the taser doesn't work, where are we going next? And I know you and I both agree that all officers should train Jiu Jitsu. I don't care what belt this dude is. This is not a Jiu Jitsu class. This is Dustin Poirier.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you.

[Andy Stonf]

Did you hear the taser firing up, though?

[Michael]

The little wine? Yeah. Yep.

[Andy Stonf]

Already up. Yeah. He's gonna tase you. Just relax, Okay?

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

What was his statement? Walking away from fighting hasn't been easy for me. Alcohol isn't the answer. Yes, yes, That's. That's real. I. I am sure there is an identity crisis that occurs from anybody who goes from the spotlight world to outside of the spotlight Identity and purpose and both of those things. I am incredibly glad that that ended that way. Yeah. If you put yourself in that officer's shoes and let's say he ignored the fact that taser was out, closes the distance, knocks it out of your hand, and starts beating the crap out of that officer, what is your next move?

[Michael]

Yeah, it's probably going to have to be to pull the gun.

[Andy Stonf]

Correct.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

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[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

As a professional fighter. Don't. Well, ex professional fighter. But as somebody who I think probably made a couple million dollars or millions of dollars fighting people. Save it for the ring or the gym, man.

[Michael]

Yeah, for sure.

[Andy Stonf]

Everybody knows you're a badass. These people recognized you for a reason.

[Michael]

Yeah. Why do you think they didn't engage immediately?

[Andy Stonf]

Like, you want to fight? No, no. Actually, more than anything else in my life, I don't want to fight you right now.

[Michael]

You're actually one of the only people I don't want to fight. Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

Not now, not ever.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

Send everyone. Yeah. I'm glad he responded the way that he did it.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

Hopefully a taser would have worked, but those things are not as effective as people believe.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

And I just can't. I mean, what would people expect from the officer if he had started swinging on him, beating the shit out of him and the taser hadn't worked? I believe again, and this is. There's more knowns than unknowns. He knows what he's capable of. I think any court of law would view that. And this is a wild assumption, obviously, because there would be a jury associated with it, but you can look at the man's volume of work. I think that would be considered a deadly threat against the officer.

[Michael]

Yes, for sure.

[Andy Stonf]

And when an officer encounters that, you know, they don't have to just take that. They are allowed to respond. So I'm glad it didn't go that way. I'm glad he was taken into custody.

[Michael]

Got de. Escalated slightly. Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

I love that he asked. You gonna tase me, bro? Yeah. Yes, I am.

[Michael]

Yes, absolutely. I'm not gonna fight you. That's for sure.

[Andy Stonf]

100% gonna shoot you right in the dick with this Taser. What else you got?

[Unidentified Guest 2]

Wow.

[Michael]

All right.

[Andy Stonf]

And that did happen on Father's Day. That's a rough look. Yeah, I meant, does he have kids? I don't know anything about it.

[Michael]

I don't know. Actually.

[Andy Stonf]

I don't know anything about his personal life. I try to focus on his guillotine life, which, like I said, I deeply respect.

[Michael]

Yes. Two children, a daughter and a son.

[Andy Stonf]

Okay. I mean, I'm not even gonna dive into what might be going on in his personal life or what he was doing.

[Michael]

Right, yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

Hanging out with his friends that day. I get it. Maybe they were on a guy's trip. Maybe the girls were on a girls trip. I don't know. I'm going to completely stay out of that one.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

Man, I hope he learns from this.

[Michael]

Yeah, I. He seems like a good dude, like, just in general, so I feel like. I feel like he will. Yep. But I also haven't. I don't know him at all.

[Andy Stonf]

Well, we'll be glass half full today.

[Michael]

Yeah, we'll be glass half full.

[Andy Stonf]

We're going to feel like he's going to come out of this better, which will be. That'll be good for sure.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

What else you got?

[Michael]

Okay. A U.S. service member arrested that Capitol after calling for Trump's impeachment. You see this?

[Unidentified Guest 1]

No.

[Andy Stonf]

Is this recent?

[Michael]

Yeah, this was, I think, just yesterday.

[Andy Stonf]

Oh, boy.

[Michael]

On the steps of the Capitol Building in uniform.

[Andy Stonf]

And here's the deal. You still have the First Amendment when you are a military service member, but you are restricted in certain areas of that. One of them is wearing your military uniform to anything that could be considered a protest or an official event and things of that nature.

[Michael]

So I would wager he knew that 100%. Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

I would wager. Knowing nothing about this and having been aware of. Okay, let me read this for a second before I say that. U.S. air Force Major was arrested on the steps of the U.S. capitol Wednesday after delivering a speech calling for the impeachment and removal of President. What were the charges? US Capitol Police, which confirmed the arrest, said members of the public may not demonstrate on the steps of the House unless they are accompanied by a member of Congress. Okay, so the arrest itself seems like it probably had nothing to do with him being in uniform. However, he is going to face some UCMJ likely issues from that.

[Michael]

Okay.

[Andy Stonf]

And the point of that is actually. Hold on. He was escorted to the steps by a member of Congress who left the area lawful. They gave him a lawful order to stop the demonstration. Okay, so it's where he was demonstrating. That is where the arrest actually originates from. Okay. He was arrested for 22,1307. Crowding, disrupting, or that's just the code. Okay, cool. Keep going down. Okay. And here's the Public dissent within active duty military ranks is rare as service members are required to follow orders in accordance with the Uniform Code of Military justice, which criminalized contemptuous words against the President, Vice President's Congress and other top officials under Article 88. And this is what I was talking about here. Service members are also prohibited from wearing uniform while participating in political rallies. And so it seems as if he was arrested for the actual actions itself. He will face UCMJ issues for those two things mentioned in the paragraph. I am making an assumption none of that was accidental.

[Michael]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, he probably wouldn't get his

[Andy Stonf]

congressman or senator who shuttled them there and then just, you know, just had to go make a quick call not to be seen with that. Not accidental either. So choices have consequences. Go up. Did you say major?

[Michael]

Major, yeah. Which is that high in the Air Force or do you know?

[Andy Stonf]

Okay, so a major is a gold oak leaf. So that's going to be equivalent to a lieutenant commander. So that's going to be an 04. That's probably two years in, you'll be in 01 to 02. Four years in, you'll be 02 03. Call it four at 03. So that's eight. Somewhere probably between 10 to 12 years.

[Michael]

Generally considered mid career middle management rank in the U.S. air Force.

[Andy Stonf]

Yeah. They may not be appreciated being called middle management, but if they're in a staff meeting with people who have stars on their uniform, they're getting coffee. There's a little coffee, biatch, of course.

[Michael]

Of course.

[Andy Stonf]

Two sugars, sir. No problem. That's just the way that it goes. I mean, there's captains, oh, fives in that room that are coffee bitches. They're not treated that way, but they are in fact getting coffee for the admirals or generals. Choices have consequences. This isn't accidental. If you want to do that, take agency and ownership over what happens after that to your military career and your choice to do that. And if you are willing to do that, I have no issue with people who want to do this. Know what you're getting into. Don't pretend. Do not feign ignorance on this. There's no way you're a major and don't understand that.

[Michael]

Yep.

[Andy Stonf]

You took the time to put your uniform on. You took the time to plan this, you knew what your message was going to be. If you want to do that, accept the consequences that come from that. Okay.

[Michael]

Yeah. And yeah. And I, I feel like he probably did know that and was like, yeah, this, this. I'm going to get arrested for this. I

[Andy Stonf]

don't like absolutes. I don't like to say 100 or 0%, but I'd say there's close to a 100 certainty that he knew exactly what he was getting himself into. The point of it was to be. Scroll up. I would say the point of this. Scroll to the top was this picture. That is probably what that individual. And I will say the person who escorted him there and then disappeared was hoping to achieve.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah. And like, I think, you know, regardless of your message, whether this was like anti Trump or anti Biden or whatever, I do think it's real. It's pretty gutsy to do this. And I have a certain amountsy admiration. Gutsy or just, I don't know, somewhat brave, I would say to do this. And I have a certain amount of admiration for that.

[Andy Stonf]

But also admiration or respect,

[Michael]

I guess.

[Andy Stonf]

Respect.

[Michael]

Respect, Yeah, I guess. Gotta be careful with what I say.

[Andy Stonf]

We all should be.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

Remember what military service means, though. You're supposed to be serving something above yourself. Not everybody in the military agrees with everything to include the political party that might be in power.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

That's why it says in the UCMJ you are restricted from these type of statements against those in power, in office, and also will being in your uniform. So military service comes with consequences, obligations. And yes, you surrender aspects of the inalienable rights that citizens have, but you knowingly do that. So I don't know if it's bravery. I'll leave that to the viewer, the listener, and their own beliefs, morals, integrities, whatever it may be. I don't know if you should have respect for it. Like I said, I'm not saying I have respect for this. I'm saying take agency and ownership over the actions. If you want to do this and you realize it's going to probably augur in your military career, that is your choice. And as long as you take agency over that and accountability for your actions, I'm okay with them making that decision. But decisions have consequences.

[Michael]

Yeah, for sure. Agree. Okay. So many. I have so many. It's so hard to choose. Oh, what was the. This is kind of going off of this. What was the highest rank that you ever achieved?

[Andy Stonf]

O3E03.

[Michael]

And what is that? I.

[Andy Stonf]

Lieutenant, Lieutenant, first I was an ensign Butter bar. Then I was a lieutenant of the most junior grade. It's literally LTJG lieutenant junior grade. One silver bar.

[Unidentified Guest 1]

Nice.

[Andy Stonf]

Then when you become an 03, they give you another silver bar to go with your original silver bar. So there's two side by side?

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

And the E just means prior enlisted. So I was an 03 lieutenant prior enlisted.

[Michael]

Gotcha.

[Andy Stonf]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Okay. So were you ever the guy that got coffees brought to him?

[Andy Stonf]

No.

[Unidentified Guest 1]

No.

[Michael]

You were bringing people coffee.

[Andy Stonf]

Why would I not go get my own coffee? Even if I was at general, I would just go get my own coffee.

[Michael]

That's what like, I feel like. Obviously I have no experience in the military world, but I would. I would just feel uncomfortable asking people to get me a coffee personally.

[Andy Stonf]

I agree, I agree. I don't know. Maybe you get used to it, though. I never breathe, breathed, breathed, breathed, breathe. I never had a breath of that air.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

In that rank. And I don't know what that life is really like. So I don't know if that's just how it is. Well, I mean, every two to maybe three years, you'll rotate from position to position at the lower ranks, at least I assume that's the same at the higher. So you would roll in and there's probably a pre existing staff and it might just be what they do and maybe you get accustomed to. I don't know.

[Michael]

Yeah, I don't know either.

[Andy Stonf]

What I. I mean, again, having never lived a second in that stratosphere of the military, I feel like I would just go get my own coffee, though.

[Michael]

Yeah, you know, seems easier too.

[Andy Stonf]

I just also, I don't. I don't. I wouldn't want somebody to bring it to me.

[Michael]

No, I wouldn't either.

[Andy Stonf]

Because sometimes people stir coffee with their penis.

[Michael]

You know, I know a good story that I will tell you. Not on the podcast.

[Andy Stonf]

That's not fair.

[Michael]

That pertains to that.

[Andy Stonf]

That isn't fair.

[Unidentified Guest 1]

Well,

[Andy Stonf]

start with when it happened.

[Michael]

Well, I wasn't personally involved in this. It's.

[Andy Stonf]

It's allegedly.

[Michael]

But I think this happened a couple years ago.

[Andy Stonf]

Where?

[Michael]

In Montana.

[Andy Stonf]

Okay.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

Was it a coffee shop that I own?

[Michael]

No. Well, I'll just get that out of the way. No, your black rifle was not involved in this story at all.

[Andy Stonf]

It is something to consider. I could spend the next 20 minutes talking about the most disgusting, fucked up things that junior enlisted people have done to either utensils, toothbrushes, coffee cups, or food itself to senior members of the military that were complete and Utter assholes to them. Use with caution.

[Michael]

That's what this story boils down to, is don't be a dick to the people preparing your food.

[Andy Stonf]

And if you are gonna be a dick to the people preparing your food, you might be eating some dick.

[Michael]

Yeah. Have you seen the Yelp episode of South Park?

[Andy Stonf]

No.

[Michael]

Well, just go watch it. It's pretty funny. It pertains to this? Yep.

[Andy Stonf]

Okay. What else you got, Michael?

[Michael]

Okay, so pastor beats up a man.

[Andy Stonf]

Oh, I did see this one.

[Michael]

Yeah. From across the street. He said, tony, I'm gonna rape your wife. I'm gonna rape all of your grandchildren. And he said, the next time you go out of town, I'm going to kill them. And what the f. Are you going to do about it? One day after.

[Andy Stonf]

Sounds like beat the shit out of you.

[Michael]

I think he found out what he's gonna do.

[Andy Stonf]

Is there any footage of the fight? I'd like to. Let's talk. Let's see if he.

[Michael]

I believe so. I think before, just before this, I

[Andy Stonf]

saw a little bit of it eventually when they were on the ground. I would like to know what takedown he used. Let's go ahead and see what the pastor's packing here for technique.

[Michael]

All right, let's go. I think just right here. This new video shows the man who deputies identified.

[Andy Stonf]

Hit pause for a second.

[Michael]

Yep.

[Andy Stonf]

Of course, this guy is filming himself. Of course. Yeah.

[Michael]

Gotta get that clout.

[Andy Stonf]

He probably thinks that he is safe because the First Amendment. Do you know what the first amendment, to my understanding, doesn't cover? Threats threatening to kill people, or, you know, again, not a constitutional expert here, but my understanding is the first amendment protects you against the government coming after you. Let's watch this. I'm just curious how it got to the ground. Go back, go back. Let's talk about pre violence indicators. Do you notice he's removing his footwear?

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

You notice how he also started running towards the pastor and brought his arm back? Not a lot of things happened after that.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

And so that in and of itself, I wonder. Let's see if he throws a punch. Because if he throws a punch and the pastor responds to that. Now we're into the self defense realm.

[Michael]

Yelling what sounds like, I'll break your neck.

[Andy Stonf]

Yeah, he threw a punch for sure.

[Michael]

Yeah. Who he'd been feuding with for years. They cut it off.

[Andy Stonf]

But can you find the footage anywhere else? I want to just. Let's do a Jerry MMA fight breakdown. I just want to see. Did he go with a double leg? Did he take get body lock dragged to the ground because.

[Michael]

Right.

[Andy Stonf]

I saw a portion, but where he, I think was mounted on top of the guy gouging his eyeballs.

[Michael]

Oh, yeah. Okay, here we go.

[Andy Stonf]

Yes.

[Michael]

All right, let's see. We may. We may have to watch an ad.

[Unidentified Guest 2]

All right.

[Michael]

Yes.

[Andy Stonf]

Soprano. Sweet. Hold on. Three, two, one. Not an official sponsor. Skip ad.

[Michael]

Skip ad.

[Andy Stonf]

There we go. Volume, volume.

[Michael]

I'm going

[Andy Stonf]

flip flops off. Arms coming back. Oh, yeah, he threw a punch.

[Michael]

Oh, yeah. So we're in self defense.

[Andy Stonf]

Okay, so hit pause.

[Michael]

Oh, this isn't Michael.

[Andy Stonf]

Hit pause. God damn it.

[Michael]

Hold on. I'm trying, I'm trying. It's not YouTube.

[Andy Stonf]

Okay, go back to right before they link up. Keep going back, Keep going back, Keep going back. Hit pause. This was what I am going to describe as the equivalent of two white belts starting a comp team round where one has their hand out and they're at full arm extension and they're spinning in circles. Now, these two, for the audio only, they are throwing punches at each other. But this looks like a hockey fight. I'm going to go out on a limb and say none of these guys train and that's okay.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

But I will say this. If either of these guys trained or if the pastor trained, this probably would have been much easier for him to accomplish.

[Michael]

Yes.

[Andy Stonf]

All right, let's hit play. Let's watch this.

[Michael]

Yep.

[Andy Stonf]

All right, white belt start to the match. Yep.

[Michael]

Just grabbing the head.

[Andy Stonf]

Yep. Throwing. Oh, not. He's throwing the right in the face. Nice headlock.

[Michael]

Nice.

[Andy Stonf]

Yep. Rotated. Took him down. Mount. Yeah.

[Michael]

Yes.

[Andy Stonf]

Oh, he's doing the Johan escape. He's trying to roll to his belly. Pastor is delivering the people's elbow just through the cell phone into the street. Yep.

[Michael]

Man, this is amazing. Actually, I haven't seen the full video.

[Andy Stonf]

Back mount.

[Michael]

Oh,

[Andy Stonf]

pause. I'm gonna tell you right now, I respect the hell out of the top of the hair grip.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

For those of you listening, this pastor reached down with his left hand and grabbed the. Essentially the. The crown of the guy's hair, pulled it back, and then again began punching him. I almost feel like he was trying to twist his head off for a second.

[Michael]

Yeah. It looked like he grabbed the chin.

[Andy Stonf]

Dominating this dude.

[Michael]

Oh, 100%.

[Andy Stonf]

Hooks in guy on the bottom. We'll just say allegedly is Johan.

[Michael]

Yes.

[Andy Stonf]

He used the Johan escape, which is roll to his belly, arms up in front of his head.

[Michael]

Very effective.

[Andy Stonf]

Yeah. Let's just see how the rest of this goes. Getting his ass whipped.

[Michael]

Yeah. It's so Amazing. His legs are kicking now he's screaming for help after he started the fight, mind you. Oh, yes.

[Andy Stonf]

And for those of you listening, he stood up and walked away, changed his mind and delivered a people's foot. What are your thoughts, Michael?

[Michael]

Amazing. Amazing. I mean, the takedown can use some work, but honestly, the top game, once

[Andy Stonf]

you maneuvered well and just kind of drug him out straight to mount. What'd the guy do? Rolled over onto his belly. Not a good defensive position.

[Michael]

No, I don't recommend, but this was amazing.

[Andy Stonf]

Is the issue that he's a pastor, so people think pastors can't be violent?

[Michael]

I guess. And maybe that's why it, like, garnered much more news than I think it normally would have.

[Andy Stonf]

But is there something in religion that says you can't be violent if somebody's making a threat against your family, saying they're going to kill and rape all your family members?

[Michael]

I mean, I don't maybe in like the super peaceful religions, but I don't know about.

[Andy Stonf]

Here's the question. If you had to choose between two pastors, one that when presented within with this threat, took this action, or one, when presented with this threat, did nothing, which one would you rather go to a sermon with?

[Michael]

Oh, the guy that beat the shit out of the guy.

[Andy Stonf]

I think so too.

[Michael]

Yeah. Be much more. Much more interesting. I think.

[Andy Stonf]

I think that he is probably clean in every aspect of self defense as well.

[Michael]

I think so.

[Andy Stonf]

The other guy threw the punch at him first. They locked up. He didn't. I mean, I'm not seeing incredible bodily injury. He didn't attempt to kill the person. I'm gonna try that holding technique on Johan with the hair. Actually, I don't think that's legal in jiu jitsu. Well, amazing, though. Full neck crank.

[Michael]

Yeah, that was really good. I really enjoyed that, man.

[Andy Stonf]

I don't know if job title should matter. You have the inherent right to self defense if somebody's making that threat to your loved ones and family. And again, from my understanding, he met every criteria for self defense. It might be, I guess, a little bit of an argument because he approached the person. Coming from a crossroad.

[Michael]

I don't know.

[Andy Stonf]

I'll let legal scholars determine that. Man. Again, words have consequences. Yes, you do have the freedom of speech, but you don't have this absolution of consequences that can come from the things that you say.

[Michael]

Mm. So, yeah, especially if it's something like what the guy said, like, I'm gonna kill your wife.

[Andy Stonf]

Listen, I'm not a religious guy, but All I have to say to the pastor is amen.

[Michael]

Amen. Amen, brother. Yep.

[Andy Stonf]

And I, like, he just got up and was gonna walk away, too.

[Michael]

Yeah. He's like, okay, we're done here.

[Andy Stonf]

Yeah. Well, the guy on the bottom definitely was done.

[Michael]

Oh, yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

I enjoyed the phone throw. There's many aspects of this in our fight breakdown that I really enjoyed in this video. Thank you for bringing it up, Michael.

[Michael]

You're welcome. Yeah. That was very enlightening. Oh, speaking of, before you go on,

[Andy Stonf]

can you imagine the difference if one of these dudes was, say, a blue or purple boat?

[Michael]

Oh, it would just. It. It wouldn't even be a fight. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be crazy.

[Andy Stonf]

Yeah.

[Michael]

So speaking of kind of getting what's coming to you, so this guy's a streamer, like an. Okay. Do you know what an IRL streamer

[Andy Stonf]

is in real life? Yeah, I don't know what that means, though. I just know what IRL stands for.

[Michael]

Yeah, they just go around public places videoing themselves oftentimes.

[Andy Stonf]

What are they doing in those public places?

[Michael]

Trying to stir up some drama or whatever, just. Just to get some more views, you know?

[Andy Stonf]

So when you say irl, does that mean that somebody is like a vlogger and is trying to share their life, or do these people. Are they antagonistic in nature?

[Michael]

No. Well, a lot of the times they're. It doesn't. It's not every IRL streamer, but a lot of times they are antagonistic.

[Andy Stonf]

Okay.

[Michael]

Because they're trying to drum up something.

[Andy Stonf]

And so this guy we're looking at is a streamer.

[Michael]

So he's. Yeah, he's a streamer.

[Andy Stonf]

And he was the great. Yeah, I feel like he was. He gave that name to himself.

[Michael]

I think he did. Well, I guess you can read the title. He got punched by a UFC fighter after.

[Andy Stonf]

After getting slapped who got. Hold on. He.

[Michael]

So he got slapped earlier because he was being a shame.

[Andy Stonf]

The streamer got slapped earlier. Okay.

[Michael]

Like a while ago, I think, a couple days ago. Okay.

[Unidentified Guest 1]

Okay.

[Michael]

And then he did this.

[Andy Stonf]

Okay.

[Michael]

Much bigger than you.

[Andy Stonf]

That's cool.

[Unidentified Guest 2]

I don't give a. Though.

[Michael]

I don't give a.

[Unidentified Guest 1]

Clearly.

[Andy Stonf]

But, you know, then he ate a bunch of.

[Michael]

Out of me.

[Andy Stonf]

I felt like I was weak. Straight up. I said straight up. Are you the guy that got slapped on video? I did, but I slapped the shit out, you know? Smart woman. Go ahead. I still feel like that was weak as.

[Michael]

Oh.

[Andy Stonf]

I mean, who am I to judge how people want to make their life and live their life? I There's not enough money in the world. You could pile up this table full of gold doubloons from a sunken treasure ship, which I feel like makes it more valuable because it's historic gold.

[Michael]

Yes.

[Andy Stonf]

Even though I'm not sure that's the case. It's probably based off of weight.

[Michael]

It probably is.

[Andy Stonf]

Not in a million years would I go down that path. And then again, I'm not going to judge people's desire to fame or recognizability or money. But I wonder, in 10 years, 20 years, assuming this guy makes it this far, are you gonna be proud of what you look back on is this. If you have a family, is this the person? And I'm not saying that I am somebody if a. I didn't make my life on the Internet doing this type of stuff. So there's not a volume of information of me falling short as a person. I'm happy to share those experiences and I try to be as honest as I can about them. And I'm not saying I'm perfect by any stretch, but

[Unidentified Guest 1]

why?

[Andy Stonf]

I don't understand it. I don't understand the rise of this type of stuff. I don't understand what they're trying to do. So let's say the guy hadn't hit him. Is the move. This guy keeps going to elicit that response and then you blame it on the person. I'm not understanding. And is it, is it for virality as well? Then they clip this and then that they try to make money off of that?

[Michael]

Yeah, I think so. I mean, it's just a crazy. I just don't understand why you would do this in the first place and then try to act tough after the fact when you obviously just got the shit smacked out of you.

[Andy Stonf]

But what does it look like 10 years down the road or 5 or 15? I mean, is this the guy's career for his entire life? Do you lateral in this to something else? Do you build businesses on top? I just don't understand it.

[Michael]

I don't think there's a whole lot of self reflection or looking into the future going on here.

[Andy Stonf]

Well, that's not uncommon for people who are late teens, early 20s.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

For men, early 40s.

[Michael]

Yeah. Let's be honest, it still doesn't come for me.

[Andy Stonf]

So my optic on time now, I mean, I look back, oh my God, I am mortified by some of my behavior when I was younger. And I'm not nothing like this ever and again. But this, this world of being able to even do this, not a Not even a fathomable thought. Yeah, but that doesn't mean I was always the best version of myself. It doesn't mean I wasn't an asshole at time or was trying to provoke people by saying stupid shit. God, it's stomach turning. But that's a good thing. I am glad that I feel that way about it because at least I can remember what that felt like and remind myself, hey, maybe you don't want to be that guy. Maybe you can learn from that and see the impact now that you didn't realize it was having back then and become a better version of yourself. That's what I would like to believe. Again, not perfect. Still going to make mistakes in my life. I just don't. I don't. I don't understand it.

[Michael]

Yeah, I don't either. Like, I do. Like, I genuinely. I genuinely think it's for fame, money, and that's it. Like, he just wants to have eyes on him again.

[Andy Stonf]

I'm not going to judge how people want to make their living. I have more questions than answers about why somebody would go down this particular path. I mean, I think the easy answer would be fame and money, even though I have no idea the. The metrics associated with that or the amount capable. Not for me, man. No, not for me.

[Michael]

Nor me.

[Andy Stonf]

People confuse the online world, which is largely consequence free, with the real world, which sometimes you will encounter an ex UFC fighter who doesn't tolerate that type of language to his face. Well, and then you meet the people's elbow.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

Then the legal system can sort that out. But, man, maybe don't be an asshole.

[Michael]

Yeah. I mean, so much of this, of the problems that we've seen today could be solved by not being a dick.

[Andy Stonf]

It's a good recipe for life.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

And one that I have failed at many times. I have. I'm not gonna sit here and pretend even remotely that I haven't fallen short so many times of the person I want to be. Never anything like this though.

[Michael]

No, no. I mean, this is like just full on intentionally being a dick.

[Unidentified Guest 1]

Correct.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

What else you got? One more. I gotta get at her 1250.

[Michael]

Okay.

[Andy Stonf]

Got a manager's meeting at the coffee shop.

[Michael]

Ooh, fun.

[Andy Stonf]

Okay, take us off into the 250th weekend. Michael. This comes out. I was gonna say tomorrow, but for the people listening to it today, today's Thursday.

[Michael]

This seems freedom esque. Although it is from Ukraine, but they are currently fighting for, I guess you could say their freedom.

[Andy Stonf]

Right now, back to basics, old tech Yak52 trainer aces as Russian. What? Hit play on this.

[Unidentified Guest 1]

Back to those pictures. Now this incredible footage is from the Crew of the 11th Separate Army Aviation brigade.

[Andy Stonf]

Curson, you stop this right now.

[Michael]

What's up?

[Andy Stonf]

I saw this before. I assumed this was AI.

[Michael]

No, this is real.

[Andy Stonf]

This is a man with a carbine rifle in the back of an airplane shooting down drones in back of like

[Michael]

a World War II airplane.

[Andy Stonf]

Maybe not World War II some more.

[Unidentified Guest 1]

And this is a Russian long range one way attack drone being gunned down with a firearm. Of course, whatever the Ukrainians reinvent for this war is copied by Russia. And they too have enlisted the Yak 52 to wage war against drones.

[Michael]

Isn't this crazy?

[Andy Stonf]

How dare you. Hit pause. I'm learning things.

[Unidentified Guest 1]

Special military operation. So Ukraine has made sure to target any of the Russian aircraft it sees, eradicating another threat to its own drones fighting to defend Ukraine.

[Andy Stonf]

That makes sense. Look at this.

[Michael]

It's such. That is such a cool aircraft.

[Unidentified Guest 1]

Built between 1976 video, 1998 in Romania. Exactly how many are flying for both sides of this war now is unclear.

[Andy Stonf]

Dude, hit pause. I love everything about this. I don't like the fact that they're fighting a war, but I love everything about. They are providing a real world solution to an everyday problem. In Ukraine. In Russia.

[Michael]

In Ukraine, yes. Yes.

[Andy Stonf]

I mean, I'm stoked for both of these guys. One's getting to practice formation flying, the other one's getting to practice. I mean, I don't think that's a shotgun. I think that's a carbine. So that's a rifle cartridge. He's out there.

[Michael]

Even more impressive.

[Andy Stonf]

Getting some. It might be. I mean, I. I'm not really seeing a profile. I can't really see the.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

The width of the magazine associated with it. But my man is out there gunning down drones.

[Michael]

Just living in the moment. Yes.

[Andy Stonf]

Excellent job, Michael. I appreciate. Let's watch some more of this video. Hold on. Go back just a little bit. It spit out a cartridge. Just hit play it. Just let it play out. That's a rifle cartridge.

[Michael]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

Okay, hit play. Fists pumping.

[Michael]

Yeah. As you should. Oh, there's one more.

[Unidentified Guest 1]

Thanks.

[Michael]

Isn't that dope?

[Andy Stonf]

I mean, other than the reasons for why they're doing it. Yes, it's right.

[Michael]

Yeah. Don't love the war aspect, but just for like the. Just the coolness aspect is pretty cool.

[Andy Stonf]

We were having this conversation again, another prerecorded episode I have with Jack Osborne. We were having this conversation yesterday when we were recording with him, the more high tech things are going. Lower tech solutions. I mean there's not an equal amount of video, but there's a bunch of high tech drone type warfare stuff from Ukraine. There's an immense amount of people fighting in trenches like World War I and World War II. I mean, I don't know if the answer is you go tech versus tech, AI versus AI or you go back to the stone Age and the way you win in a tech heavy confrontation is by going as low tech as possible. I don't know. But the fact that both of those, the front leading edge of technological warfare and also trench warfare essentially from World War I and 2 is going on in the same conflict, it's pretty crazy. It's pretty wild. I don't know where it leads.

[Michael]

I don't know either. But I feel like, I also think this is like maybe with the exception of some footage from Afghanistan and Iran, or Iran, Iraq, this is like the most videoed and recorded combat like ever.

[Andy Stonf]

And that will be the case moving forward. Just based off of. I mean a lot of things are basically sensor or camera driven or optically guided. So yeah, that's going to be the case.

[Michael]

There's just so much availability and ease of recording. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty crazy.

[Andy Stonf]

That's a good video. Would you want to be the guy in front or back?

[Michael]

Oh, that's so tough because I feel like it'd be fun to fly the

[Andy Stonf]

plane, alternate every sortie.

[Michael]

Yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah.

[Andy Stonf]

Get a little or honestly, who's the better pilot and who's the better shot.

[Michael]

Yeah, realistically, yes. But for fun purpose, could rotate.

[Andy Stonf]

I wonder if that's up there just flying around and they visually identify drones or if this is something they're on a ready alert in.

[Michael]

Right.

[Andy Stonf]

Because I don't know if the drones, I don't know what kind of radar capabilities they have or if what warning they have. It's incoming. Yeah. I wonder if it's just constantly up or they launch when a threat launches.

[Michael]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Andy Stonf]

Many questions. All right, Michael, that's all I have for today.

[Unidentified Guest 2]

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