Foreign Money, Dead Jets, and Criminal Monkeys | Negligent Discharge Friday | 5.22.2026

Summary

Cleared Hot – "Foreign Money, Dead Jets, and Criminal Monkeys"

Negligent Discharge Friday | Episode Date: May 22, 2026

Host: Andy Stumpf
Guest/Co-host: Michael

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Episode Overview

This episode of Cleared Hot is a classic Negligent Discharge Friday, featuring host Andy Stumpf and co-host Michael running through the week's wildest news, political drama, social observations, and viral oddities. With their trademark candid banter, they touch on everything from foreign money in US elections, controversial military jet crashes, criminal internet personalities, odd aviation incidents, and even criminal monkeys. The episode is a blend of social critique, aviation nerdery, dark humor, and generational culture clash.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Health, Training, and Hangovers (00:20 – 04:48)

• Opening Banter: Andy and Michael joke about missed training due to injuries and recap a recent festival (Mega Fest) involving excessive drinking and the realities of hydration, hangovers, and seltzer preferences.
• Generational Ribbing: Andy pokes fun at Michael’s explanations for missing jiu jitsu training due to shoulder injuries and reflects on the different approaches to partying and recovery as you age.

Notable Quote:

• "At 23, you should be out living your best life." – Andy (03:52)
• "26 and yes, I was living my best life." – Michael (03:57)

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2. The State of American Politics: Money, Foreign Influence, and Fatigue (07:21 – 30:10)

a. Foreign and Out-of-State Money in US Elections (07:21 – 21:19)

• Massey’s Primary Loss: The hosts discuss Congressman Massey's unprecedented primary defeat, allegedly due to $32.6 million in ad spending, much of it from out-of-state and foreign-affiliated PACs.

• Frustration Over Election Spending:

  • "We have got to figure out a way to get that type of money out of our elections, which is insane. It is categorically insane." – Andy (07:39)

• Political Texting Woes: Andy jokingly complains about receiving spammy political texts, such as one purporting to be from AOC.

• Discussion of Political "Team Sports":

  • The conversation highlights the tribal polarization within American politics and the phenomenon of supporting candidates due to party loyalty rather than issues.

• Epstein Files Transparency:

  • Massey’s run on government transparency regarding the Epstein case and the bipartisan reluctance to release documents is examined; Andy hints at upcoming podcast interviews related to alleged Epstein conspiracies.

• Ethics of Political Prioritization:

  • "It is my personal opinion... the government, in what they will say is the interest of the many, will allow things to happen to the few." – Andy (14:40)

b. Foreign Influence – The Israel/APAC Controversy (23:08 – 30:10)

• APAC’s Role: Pro-Israel groups like APAC and the Republican Jewish Coalition played a significant role in Massey's defeat as a consequence of his stance on the war in Iran.

• Younger Generations Pushing Back:

  • Michael describes a generational distrust of foreign-linked PAC money: "Especially in my generation, there’s a huge wave – if you receive $1 from APAC, you’re instantly not a candidate." (26:12)

• Broader Issue of Foreign PACs:

  • The hosts agree: “It’s not just about Israel, it’s about the influence that money and foreign nations can have... That then to me is incredibly fair and legitimate.” – Andy (28:43)

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3. Internet Idiocy and Dangerous Provocateurs (31:01 – 41:49)

• "Chud the Builder" Explained:

  • Michael introduces Andy to the modern internet slang "Chud," denoting a hateful, basement-dweller stereotype, distinct from "Chad."

• Viral Racist Livestreamer Arrested:

  • Chud the Builder, a right-wing live streamer, is notorious for provoking black people (using slurs, pepper spraying, and ultimately shooting at a courthouse altercation – (35:37)), all for internet attention.
  • Both hosts express horror at this trend and discuss the consequences: “Choices have consequences, man.” – Andy (37:23)

• Platform Numbers: Chud the Builder has significant social media followings: 230,000 on X, 9,000 on Kick.

Memorable Moment:

• "If you want to put yourself into that environment where the dildo of consequences might just show up and slap you across the face unlubed, I don’t have a problem with that." – Andy (37:52)

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4. Dead Jets: Wild Aviation Fails (43:28 – 50:03)

a. Two F-18s Collide (43:28 – 49:48)

• Accident Breakdown:

  • Viral video of two F-18s colliding mid-air is discussed with technical detail—collision described as “the F-18 mating ritual.” Both pilots ejected and survived, but the crash is likely pilot error.

• Aviator Perspective:

  • Andy reflects on the culture of military aviation, the inevitability of pilot error, and the odds of such a collision happening by accident.

• Cost: At $65 million each, "That accident wasn’t cheap," Andy notes (46:34).

b. Airport Runway Intrusion (50:47 – 59:26)

• Denver Airport Tragedy:

  • Discussion of a man who scaled the airport fence and walked onto a runway, being killed by a jet during takeoff. Andy and Michael grimly discuss security, possible suicide, and the quick-thinking pilots aborting takeoff.

• Unsettling Reflection:

  • “Don’t walk on active runways. Don’t hop a fence at an airport.” – Andy (57:48)

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5. Oddities and Uplifting Endings

a. Animal Stories: Justice & Monkey Crime (59:35 – 68:43)

• Tourist Throws Rock at Beloved Seal in Hawaii (59:35):

  • Viral story of a tourist abusing wildlife; he brags about being able to pay the fine, but is beaten up by a local. Andy and Michael agree: “Having a lot of money is not a permission slip to be an asshole.” – Andy (61:08)

• Monkeys as Criminal Masterminds (63:15 – 68:43):

  • They discuss viral videos from Bali, Indonesia, where long-tailed macaques steal tourists’ glasses and return them only when fed, likening this to a "criminal monkey enterprise."
  • Andy argues “not all animals are innocent,” while Michael insists that monkeys act out of instinct, not moral awareness.

Highlight Quote:

• “This is a monkey racket.” – Andy (64:01)
• “Are they guilty of theft?... Yes, they are, Michael.” – Andy (66:46)

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• On Political Corruption:
  • "We have got to figure out a way to get that type of money out of our elections, which is insane. It is categorically insane." – Andy (07:39)
• On Goverment Priorities:
  • "It is my personal opinion... that the government... in the interest of the many, will allow things to happen to the few." – Andy (14:40)
• On Chud the Builder:
  • "If you want to put yourself into that environment where the dildo of consequences might just show up and slap you across the face unlubed, I don’t have a problem with that." – Andy (37:52)
• On Aviation Mistakes:
  • "If you expect pilots to be perfect and not make mistakes, you are setting an unrealistic expectation." – Andy (49:49)
• On Internet Extremes:
  • "Are we really at a place where people will actually do stuff like this as a perceived vocation or occupation? Just literally just for the clicks?" – Andy (38:48)
• On Foreign Election Influence:
  • "It’s not just about Israel, it’s about the influence that money and foreign nations can have... That then to me is incredibly fair and legitimate." – Andy (28:43)
• On Monkey Thieves:
  • "This is a monkey racket." – Andy (64:01)

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Important Timestamps by Topic

• 00:20 – 04:48: Banter, injuries, and hangovers
• 07:21 – 21:19: Election money and political cynicism
• 23:08 – 30:10: APAC, foreign influence, and generational divides
• 31:01 – 41:49: Chud the Builder, racism, and internet provocateurs
• 43:28 – 49:48: F-18 crash breakdown
• 50:47 – 59:26: Denver runway incursion accident
• 59:35 – 63:15: Animal abuse story and vigilante karma
• 63:15 – 68:43: Monkeys as criminal masterminds

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Tone & Voice

The episode balances Andy’s matter-of-fact, slightly irreverent veteran’s voice with Michael’s younger, tech-savvy perspective. They riff candidly, crack dark jokes, and occasionally clash on generational outlooks, all while maintaining a conversational (often explicit) tone.

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Summary Takeaway

This Negligent Discharge Friday episode is a whirlwind journey through contemporary absurdity—touching on corrupt elections, stupid internet fame, disastrous military accidents, airport security breaches, and even monkey gangsters. Listeners get sharp, comedic analysis, honest generational perspective, and pointed ethical questions about what our systems (and our species) tolerate.

"Life is tough and tough enough as it is... You don't need to artificially introduce that into anything or spread that out." – Andy (40:36)

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Recommended For:

• Listeners interested in unfiltered commentary on current events, military/aviation nerdery, political skepticism, and a dash of internet culture critique—plus those who enjoy the kind of banter you’d hear in a squadron ready room.

Transcript

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Okay, I got the red smoke. Sun runs north and south west of the smoke. West of the smoke. Okay, copy. West of the smoke. I'm looking at danger close now with it, baby.

[B]

Give it to me.

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I mean it cleared hot. Copy. Clear not.

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Anyways, we're going now, so it doesn't

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matter now we're going.

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Yes.

[A]

I should probably finish this mouth full of food then.

[B]

Probably. You said you were ready.

[A]

Just a little post training snack. I noticed you weren't there for training.

[B]

Yeah, I have a slight shoulder injury.

[A]

But you played in the Mega Fest, didn't you? Well, that's a yes.

[B]

No, no. I did play in Mega Fest, but that was before my bigger shoulder injury which was caused by playing in Mega Festival.

[A]

Hold on. You were injured before the Maga Fest?

[B]

Slightly. Very slightly.

[A]

That's how you're phrasing it now. You were skipping Jiu Jitsu because your shoulder had a boo boo.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you were injured because.

[B]

I didn't want to injure it more before Mega Fest.

[A]

Okay. Then you went down to Mega Fest, injured it. What kind of post training rehab did you do? You hydrate? Mostly hydration.

[B]

Mostly hydration. Lots of pain suppressants in. In the form of liquid.

[A]

I know. Walk us through it. Let's live vicariously through you. How many total drinks do you think you had?

[B]

Oh boy. Six or seven probably.

[A]

What do you weigh? About 150?

[B]

Like 185 right now. You don't believe me?

[A]

I mean, I'm looking at you.

[B]

Yeah, I'm 185 as of last week, which is the last time I measured myself. So we can go.

[A]

You can weigh whatever you want to if you hold on to a dumbbell.

[B]

Oh my God. We can go to the gym and I'll step on the scale and you

[A]

can have you read a DEXA scan. If you are 185, I need a breakdown of what that is comprised of a muscle.

[B]

Not a lot of muscle. Yeah, 185.

[A]

What was your opener? Your re. It was rehydration, so it was essential. What was your opener? Well, so you say lime coconut seltzer.

[B]

Yeah, it was really good. So they have.

[A]

That actually does sound refreshing.

[B]

It's amazing.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And felt very refreshing. Even though I knew I was actively sapping my hydration.

[A]

Don't you think there's a little bit of height? I mean it is fluid. Water is in the beverages.

[B]

Yes, for sure. But I'm not sure how much the alcohol counteracts that.

[A]

You know, I think it's more Of a diuretic.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It just runs through you and you end up peeing it out.

[B]

Yeah, I'm not really sure. Honestly, I did have to pee a lot.

[A]

So. Not a doctor or a scientist?

[B]

I am not either, but yeah, for those who don't know, you can get at the start of the weekend a $30 mug that gets you free beer all weekend.

[A]

Just never been a beer fan.

[B]

I'm not either. That's why I stuck with the seltzer.

[A]

Did you fill the mug up with seltzer?

[B]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, they had it on tap.

[A]

Okay. Times have definitely changed. I just don't remember seltzer being on tap. And I feel like a missed opportunity for my generation, quite frankly.

[B]

Yeah, I like. Yeah, I just don't like beer. Really?

[A]

I don't like. Well, I guess I technically shouldn't like seltzer either. I don't like the carbonation of beer. But then the seltzer sounds delicious. But that's also carbonated.

[B]

It is carbonated. Yeah.

[A]

That doesn't make sense.

[B]

I like seltzer more because it doesn't sit as heavy in my stomach like beer.

[A]

Just like I feel that liquid weighs the same.

[B]

Yeah, I guess. But it feels like there's more beer, you know? I don't know. It feels lighter, which is why I like it.

[A]

I was just happy to hear that you were out expressing your early 20s. At 23, you should be out living your best life.

[B]

26 and yes, I was living my best life. Yeah.

[A]

Good. How'd you feel the next day?

[B]

Pretty shitty, actually. It didn't last as long as I thought it would.

[A]

Yeah, I heard that about you.

[B]

Well, the hangover, let me be clear.

[A]

Of course it did. You're 23. You can't even get hungover.

[B]

Yeah, I was very slightly hungover. Luckily, I did not have to play the game on Sunday because of my shoulder, which would have. You know, it would have been definitely a chore to play that game.

[A]

Tackling injury?

[B]

No, scrum injury, actually. I was locking, which I usually. I don't really do that often. And the other team really was pushing hard in the collapsedar scrum and like multiple 300 pound men fell on me.

[A]

So, I mean, there's nothing new about that, but.

[B]

No, that's, that's, that's, that's a pretty.

[A]

Because you were locked.

[B]

Yeah, pretty average day for me, actually. So.

[A]

All right, what do you have for the week? What's going on in the world? Is this a reg? I just got back off the road from Virginia Beach. So I didn't even realize what day it was until earlier today. I thought it was one day before.

[B]

Oh, you thought it was Wednesday.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's not.

[A]

Yep. So it is what it is. Is the world falling apart still? Depending on where you check?

[B]

I mean, yeah, kind of. To be honest, I do have a lot of. Well, I have some. Some uplifting stories. A lot of them are kind of downers, though.

[A]

Let's start with the Debbie Downers.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And we'll end it. We'll send people off into the weekend renewed and refreshed with an uplifter.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah. This isn't, like, totally horrible.

[A]

What do you have for us today?

[B]

Massie is beaten in his primary.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

With, frankly, an insane amount of money. The most money ever raised for a primary. Yeah. Mostly funded.

[A]

$32.6 million in ad spending, according to Ad Impact. We have got to figure out a way to get that type of money out of our elections,

[B]

which is insane. It.

[A]

It is categorically insane.

[B]

Yeah. I imagine 32 million. How much you could do with that?

[A]

Not really. Just because I don't ads well, I'd say. I would say not really. But we're not far off. I've already gotten some political. Now they're, you know, nesting. I got a political text message from aoc, which I'm pretty sure she represents something in New York.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

From a 406 number, which, for people listening or watching, there's only one area code in Montana. It's 406. That's why if you are on the road and you see a bumper sticker that 406, it means it's probably a Montana or somebody who enjoys Montana. So now even spam calls. And I'm sure this will kick off again for. What do you think we are six months away from the beginning of the political cycle for 2028.

[B]

Yeah. Let's see. Our. Our election or November. It's for everybody, right? November.

[A]

Yeah. But I mean, even like the presidential one, that's where I really, really noticed.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

But, yeah, they nested in now local phone numbers to call, local phone numbers to text. I do get mailers in the mail, but I just. Those I only touch from the time between I go to the mailbox in the garbage can, straight to the trash.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I don't. It has to be impactful, I assume. Actually, really all it would need to do would be to nest a sticky idea that you could build off of. You know, marketing is just marketing. It's been pretty proven to work. So, I mean, a great system would be each candidate as throwing out a number. You have $500,000, period. That's maximum. Yeah.

[B]

That's all you can do. Yeah. I think that would be a great idea.

[A]

It'll never happen, though, because again, the people who need to vote that into existence would be voting their incentives Are

[B]

not against their own.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Their own interests.

[A]

I did see this. Yeah. He was beat by an ex team guy actually.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Ed Galrain, which I. Who I know. I knew the name or know the name, but I don't know anything about him.

[B]

What I find interesting is apparently this guy kind of came out of nowhere and was picked by Trump.

[A]

I feel like if you have $32.6 million or was that combined?

[B]

I think it's combined, but it says,

[A]

I believe the split was nowhere near 50. 50?

[B]

I don't think so.

[A]

I think it was in the high 20s and somewhere around 5 million for Massey.

[B]

Yeah, I think so. So. Yeah. And which up to this graph, Massey also was raised out of state money. 91% out of state money.

[A]

Really?

[B]

But I don't know that his total raised.

[A]

I mean, maybe that's why I got a text message from aoc. Yeah, I feel like it was directly from her too, probably. Yeah, yeah, sure. She has a Montana area code phone number.

[B]

Yeah, I would guess so. She's a avid Montana.

[A]

I think one per state that she reaches out to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So whatever Wyoming is, that's the number that was next. And then the Dakotas each have one.

[B]

The thing I don't like about this graph, it doesn't say total amount raised.

[A]

Yeah. Itemized individual donor geography, percent of dollars.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

It actually wouldn't surprise me though because people are so polarized and weaponized for team sports at this point.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Team Red, team Blue. I could see people 100 supporting from out of state.

[B]

Yeah. Well. And Massey's become one of the most well known Republicans because he's one of the only ones speaking out against Trump and his handling of the Epstein files.

[A]

Didn't he run on transparency when it came to the Epstein files?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, we're never gonna.

[A]

At this point. I don't believe we're ever gonna get anywhere with it. No spoiler alert. Tomorrow, Michael and I are sitting down with two people. One is named Ryan. The other One is Nick McKinley, who People will recognize from Deliver Fund. Nick introduced me to Ryan. Ryan believes that Epstein is still alive. I am hesitant about the episode because I am not interested in any way, shape or form on a conspiracy theory about whether or not Epstein is alive. I care very deeply about whether or not our government turned a blind eye to the things that he was doing so they could achieve their own end state. But it's my understanding that what Ryan has is information showing that the systems and we'll have to wait until tomorrow to get into this and it's going to be anything other than. Here's a grainy video of Epstein walking down Boca Raton hand in hand with Osama bin Laden.

[B]

Yeah.

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You know.

[B]

Yeah,

[A]

He's. I'm paraphrasing a little bit. Speaking for him was saying that systems are still in place or things are still moving around. That would indicate that the person who was throwing the levers is still actually throwing them. So we'll see. I don't think anything is ever going to come from it. Nor do I think at this point, even if the government were to say, hey, we've released everything, nobody's going to believe that because there is. It's like trying to look through a bucket of sand and see the other side. It is so obscured at this point. And nobody knows what the truth is.

[B]

Yeah, I don't.

[A]

I don't either. I don't even pretend to.

[B]

No.

[A]

As I've said many times, my best guess is that the guy just moved money for anybody who would let him move money. And it is an unfortunate fact. I. Well, I can't say fact because I'm. This is an opinion. It is my personal opinion, which I don't believe it would be too hard historically to show as a fact

[B]

that

[A]

the government and what they will say in the interest of the many will allow things to happen to the few.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, he was. What year was it? 2006. He was first charged. Something like that.

[A]

So they knew he was convicted in 09, right?

[B]

Yeah, something like.

[A]

Oh, eight. Something like that. You're talking about down in Florida.

[B]

Yeah, in the 2000s.

[A]

It was in the early aughts.

[B]

It's like they knew something was going on.

[A]

I feel like they knew something was

[B]

going along before they might have an inkling.

[A]

I also don't think he was the only person who is like that, who, in talking with people like John Kiriakou, who will say that, will agree that the intelligence agencies require money to function. They're not paying for things in checks. It's cash. They need people who can launder. Launder and turn money from digital into cash, move it from place to place. What a great business model, too. I'm going to be a trader and I actually don't just buy whatever you want. I'll short whatever. I'll buy whatever. Because the ROI at the end of the day doesn't even actually matter. You're going to make an amazing scrape and. Yeah, what a great business model.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You win when you win and you win when you lose.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, that's That's a pretty good strategy.

[A]

Yeah. But, yeah, on the Massey thing, I. I'm not going to sit here and say I paid a ton of attention to it, and I'm also not going to pretend that I knew really who he was before the. This was a primary, right?

[B]

Yeah. This is a primary.

[A]

So how does that work? That means that he is not eligible for. For reelection.

[B]

Even run for the. Unless he goes independent.

[A]

Now, does G. Rain have to run against somebody else? Or at the end of Massey's term, is Galrain the guy without an election?

[B]

What would you.

[A]

No, because Massie still has a term to serve out. Right. Like Dan Crenshaw got primaried.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So he's still going into work, though, I think.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's no longer eligible.

[B]

Yes. Yes, I believe Mass. Yeah. Because the actual election hasn't happened yet. This is just to see who's running for the Republicans.

[A]

So it's basically a dead man walking at this.

[B]

Essentially.

[A]

And so Galrain will have to run again against any challenger.

[B]

Against. No, no. Against the Democrat candidate for the actual seat. Yes. Yes.

[A]

Okay. Okay. So basically it just says, hey, Massey, you're out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the thing I think that bothers me the most is it kind of seems like Trump was like, hey, this guy's going against me hard. We need to get somebody else in there.

[A]

What do you mean? It kind of seems like that. Let's be big boys, it seems. Yeah. Let's just take the kind of out of that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't even think you even need to hypothesize. I'm pretty sure that Trump specifically said essentially my words, not his. Fuck that guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's bring in somebody else will do what I say.

[B]

And that's fucked up. If the president, who is supposed to, you know, kind of be beholden to all these different systems, look up how many.

[A]

What percentage of the time did Massie vote in line with Trump's initiatives? I believe the answer is going to be 90%.

[B]

Yeah. And he. He. Because he's a conservative, he didn't agree with the Epstein things.

[A]

Yeah. I don't think anybody should agree with the.

[B]

Well, they shouldn't. A lot of the Republicans let it slide. And Democrats.

[A]

I can't think of a good reason for that. There's no good explanation where somebody could sit down and say, this is what happened and why. This is why we don't agree with. Unless. Protect the victims, of course. That's not even a conversation that needs to be had. Protect the victims to the best of your ability. But I'm not understanding a good argument or reasoning where anybody on either side of the aisle would say, yeah, it's just better to not have this stuff out there. We shouldn't. People shouldn't know.

[B]

Yeah, well, and that's, I mean, I think that's one of the reason Massey got so popular among liberals and conservatives is he's one of the only ones that's saying, hey, this is up. Like we used. You ran on releasing the files when you release, and you just kept hammering.

[A]

I think that shows you how scared the other politicians are.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And if that's the case, if that's true, again, a hypothesis, and I'm actually just more thinking out loud and posing a question, are they not doing anything because they're scared of the repercussions? And the second question would be, if that's the case, then how destroyed is our system? It is not functioning at that point anymore.

[B]

Well, yeah, I mean, one of the reasons you could hypothesize for why politicians are not going hard against this is because they are in some way implicated in the files.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, statistically, I would say yes, a certain percentage of them probably are. I don't know. Again, it's one of the, the talking points. Anybody not doing what Massey is doing is protecting pedophiles. There's an essence of that statement that I suppose could. Could be true if, in fact, the people you're talking about are implicated in that. But that's such a broad, sweeping statement that I think it loses a lot of the accuracy.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because I will go back to what I do believe, and that is that the government, in my opinion, my hypothesis is that they were aware that he was doing those things, and they would say, for the benefit of the many, we are going to allow a few to be victimized. That's the reality. Sorry, everybody.

[B]

Yeah, 77% of the time, by the way.

[A]

So just under 80%.

[B]

Yeah,

[A]

yeah, it's. Trump is a, a powerful man in Washington right now. I, I'm curious, though, in two and a half years, what that power vacuum, or if there is a power vacuum, what that looks like after he is out of office.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know who, who the Republicans are going to put up.

[A]

Most people would say Vance or Rubio.

[B]

Yeah. And there's also the talk, and who knows how true this is of Trump wanting to somehow make it so he can run for a third term.

[A]

The only way I've heard that's feasible is he becomes J.D. vance's running mate.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As VP Vance gets elected and then steps down advocates.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't think he has the lifespan. Yeah. Enough laps yet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In the tank.

[B]

He's already seeming.

[A]

He is a real thing. It's coming for us all.

[B]

Yeah. He seems a little out of it. It's ironic because he raked so hard on Biden for being out of it, but, man, he seems.

[A]

Well, first off, a little. Let's not get into a game of comparative age aging. You're an ageist. I believe what you just did is very, very bigoted.

[B]

I am an ageist for people who want to run our country. Yes.

[A]

I think the combined age of both candidates should be no more than 100.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

It can be 80, 20. Well, no, it can't be because I think you have to be 35 to run, but no more than 50 and 50.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

One guy could be 60, the other one has to be 40.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Matt. I mean, there needs to be an age cap on. Like, it also goes to, like. The average age does not represent the average age of America as a whole. So it's not an accurate representation.

[A]

Close now of our.

[B]

Of our country.

[A]

Yeah, man. I'm not ultra impressed with how our system is looking. I did see on X, so this has to be true. I was nominated for a press secretary for a campaign in 2028 that I don't think is real, but I accepted the nomination. Can you imagine if they would let me up there just once?

[B]

Oh, boy. I actually would love to see that.

[A]

It. I would call on everybody.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not at the same time, obviously, because that would be hard to manage, but I would answer every question that they have.

[B]

That would be amazing, actually.

[A]

I mean, you do it.

[B]

Yeah. You're probably one of the only ones that would answer every single question.

[A]

People wouldn't like some of the answers.

[B]

No, they wouldn't. But it would be very entertaining.

[A]

Problem is, I would get asked about a bunch of stuff that I didn't know the answer to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I would just say, I'm sorry, I don't know the answer to that. I'll do the best I can to find one for you and come back, but I don't have it right now. Next.

[B]

Next. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, this is shitty.

[A]

What are your thoughts? Do you have any hope for our political system? I mean, we're getting ready to go into 2028. Are you pumped?

[B]

No, I unfortunately have very little hope. Yeah. I just. I don't even know.

[A]

You better have hope because it's your generation.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not. Not to take any emphasis off of my own generation and the one that's in between yours and mine, but, yeah, everybody has to. I almost think they want it to be so messed up that people don't pay attention. I think.

[B]

Well, it's kind of working because I am so tired of hearing of this.

[A]

Yeah. How much influence do you think Israel actually have?

[B]

Has.

[A]

I mean, this is the second paragraph. Here is pro Israel groups, including the America American Israeli Public Affair. Oh, that's apac. Okay. That's what they're talking about. And the Republican Jewish Jewish Coalition played an outsized role in seeking to unseat Massey for his position on the war in Iran.

[B]

Okay, I'll say this. They're the only foreign country that can influence our elections through aipac.

[A]

Well, they're not the only foreign country, though, that could have a. A pac, though.

[B]

Right?

[A]

I mean, can other countries.

[B]

I don't know as well.

[A]

I mean, I would. I would have to imagine that other countries are trying to influence or support people they think would be aligned with their incentives. Maybe not to the same degree. Yeah. This is why the Internet is a good thing. So we can look this up.

[B]

Oh, this is one of those.

[A]

I think it's a fair question to say why so much money in this particular race from one particular group? I think that's a fair question. I don't have an answer to it. I don't know if I can totally grasp onto people very commonly saying now that Israel is running the United States and that politicians are all bought and paid for. This is. I don't know what to make of this.

[B]

I think there's some interesting connections, especially if you look at Jared Kushner. I don't know all of the. I've just heard murmurings of his connections with some higher up people in Israel.

[A]

Yeah. I do think I heard from people recommend that APAC register as a foreign agent. Well, why don't we just have any political party that's going to support our political system with money, do exactly the same thing? It makes sense for. It makes sense for apac, just like it does for any other pack that might be from a foreign country. I don't see what the issue is there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Other than it would, what, be a tacit or an explicit acknowledgment that it's outside influence from another country.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I think.

[A]

I mean, that's kind of what we're looking at, though, here, too. If you can look at those two organizations and say that it's like, okay, cool, you didn't technically. You're not technically labeled as that. But it doesn't change the outcome. You know, let's just be. Let's just put everybody on the same playing field.

[B]

Well, I just. I don't know. Yeah, I've just. It's interesting to me, especially some politicians like Ted Cruz or other politicians that are so pro Israel, almost to the point where they're forsaking the values that their voters elected them for.

[A]

That's an issue for the voters to correct that.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

Why the voters tolerate that, I don't understand.

[B]

I don't know either. And I think, I mean, especially in my generation, there's a huge wave of if you receive $1 from APAC, you're instantly not a candidate.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Where is. Okay, let's, let's explore this one a little bit. Where. When did that start with your social circle or Adrian?

[B]

A couple years ago. Maybe like five or six years ago.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. I started seeing it more and more and yeah. People were just kind of like, wait, what, what is this pack? First of all, I hate all packs, but this one in particular. Particular that American Israel was a foreign affairs. Whatever.

[A]

American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

[B]

Yes. Why is everybody so hell bent on always giving money to Israel? Like, why is everybody hell bent on just supporting them no matter what? And it's again, not an anti Semite, not. I don't care if you're Jewish. It's just interesting to me that no other country has this amount of sway over politicians.

[A]

I mean, I think a clean way to look at it is take the Israel portion out of that and put in there China. Take it easy. Egypt.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

It's like the American Egyptian Public Affairs Committee. If Egypt were doing that, would this draw the same level of scrutiny? I don't know, but I think a lot of people would have the same amount of questions. So to me, that says that level of money and involvement, you need to understand the why and what is coming from that. So if you'd have the same level of question as if it were coming from somewhere else that was in the region, maybe this is something that we should look into.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that the point is it's not just Israel. You could look at that. You could, you could play Jordan, Egypt look like, why, why, why did Egypt spend $28 million on and. Or not, not Egypt himself, but a pack associated with Egypt. I'm gonna be very clear here. Why did they spend that much on a race for a Senate seat?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It doesn't matter where you, where you, the country that you switch it to, obviously China. If that was China, people would be up in arms.

[B]

Well, that's what I'm saying.

[A]

Yeah. And so I think that that's a fair thing. So in that way you can remove it. It's like, is this really about Israel or is this about the influence that money and foreign nations can have and what they want from that influence and money on our government? That then to me is incredibly fair and legitimate.

[B]

And that's where I'm coming at it from. It's not for me. It's not of, oh, because it's Israel. It's a fact of, why is any

[A]

foreign nation, it happens to be Israel.

[B]

It happens to be Israel. Yes. But I, I, I would, like you said, I would feel the same way. If it was Egypt, I would feel the same way. If it was Iran, I would, I mean, obviously Iran is.

[A]

So do you think that there is a tipping point where aipac, in their overwhelming involvement in politics, could actually start cutting the other direction? And regardless of the amount of money that they spend, the more money they spend, the more negative it could be for them because they have turned essentially everybody against them because of the public optic. It sounds like that's what you're saying for your generation.

[B]

For my generation. That is exactly what's happening. There are polls I've seen that have come out that have. They basically say, what is your support of Israel? And basically anybody below 45, it's like 90, 10 against. It's overwhelming.

[A]

And so that's a pretty goddamn important trend.

[B]

Yeah, it's kind of crazy, actually. So, yeah. All I'm saying is, like, look into it because it's a little strange.

[A]

It's a lot strange.

[B]

Yeah. And I don't think a foreign nation should have any sway over us, let alone being able to, in a roundabout way, influence our elections. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, meantime, I assure you that the United States is meddling in as many elections as possible.

[B]

Absolutely. And I think throughout the globe. I think that's wrong. And for as much as we say democracy is good. Yeah. You need to be able to vote your people in. And then we go around and meddle in all these elections and make sure the guy we want gets in. I think that's wrong. It's hypocritical.

[A]

Well, we know what's best, right?

[B]

Exactly. We know what's best for every country on earth.

[A]

I know what you need, Michael.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Just exactly.

[A]

Relax.

[B]

Just relax. Just let us handle it.

[A]

Totally yeah. All right. So since we've probably already been canceled by this point anyway, what else you got for today? Yeah, this is gonna completely throttle this episode. Yeah, we'll get demonetized and the channel will probably disappear shortly after Friday afternoon.

[B]

Okay. Have you heard of. So this is actually kind of funny, this Chud the Builder.

[A]

What?

[B]

Okay, first of all, do you know what a CHUD is?

[A]

No. I would like to, though, so I could use that inappropriately.

[B]

It's new modern slang.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Basically, it means basic basement dweller redditor. Like fedora.

[A]

Is it a fedora? Just a hat. Yeah, but are fedoras out now? Like, that's not a good thing. That's negative.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Fedora's have been out for a while and it's. It's associated with like no shower, neck beard.

[A]

Hold on. What does a neck beard have to do with not showering so well, because you have a beard and have good self care.

[B]

Agreed. But neck beard typically refers to somebody who is overweight and has a double chin with a beard on it.

[A]

I'm learning so much.

[B]

Yeah, it's.

[A]

It's a chud or Chad.

[B]

Chud with a U.

[A]

Isn't Chad the male Karen?

[B]

No, no, no. Chad is like super buff, like alpha male.

[A]

All right, I need like, I need my jawline, I need my notebook. Chud.

[B]

Okay, so this guy's name is Chud the builder. Which is funny because he doesn't like look like the stereotypical Chud.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Like he actually looks like a Chad.

[A]

You could say, do me a favor and just Google image Chud. And I'm just curious. I want to see what comes up with Chud. Okay. Don't confuse that with Chad. That would have really different meaning if you were trying to insult somebody.

[B]

It would. Okay, so this is kind of. So it's like somebody that easily gets mad online.

[A]

Okay. I like the stick figure drawings. Those are excellent.

[B]

Yeah. And thinks he's right about everything, basically.

[A]

And is that picture really the origin of.

[B]

I don't know. Actually, I'm not. Oh, maybe it is origin of Chud, but yeah. And typically it's associated with very far right wing views, like Nazi views.

[A]

Oh, boy.

[B]

Yeah. And so now we have. Let me show a picture of Chud the Builder. I think there's actually one.

[A]

Is this. Did this man give himself this name?

[B]

Yes, for some reason. So he does not look like.

[A]

So that's more Chad. Ish.

[B]

It's more Chad. Like this guy looks more Chad. I think you would agree,

[A]

since I've been using these terms for about four minutes. I think I understand what you're saying. I don't know if I'm ready to agree yet. He does look different than Chud for sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So anyways, this Chud and Chad give different vibes.

[B]

Yes. Chud. Chud just sounds bad. Like you don't want to be a Chud.

[A]

Oh, he's involved in shooting.

[B]

Yes. So let me give you some backstory on this guy.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He is a live streamer. He would go around wearing a cowboy hat, usually like a tank top and cowboy boots. And he would go.

[A]

It seems like kind of normal cowboy attire. Am I?

[B]

Well, he. It is. But he would go up to groups of black people and call them the N word.

[A]

No, he wouldn't.

[B]

He would. And live stream it.

[A]

Why? To be trying to lose all his teeth.

[B]

Well, that is almost what happened. He gets in. So he has pepper spray.

[A]

Anything for the clicks, right?

[B]

Yes. And after he provokes, that's literally all he does.

[A]

Like that's his thing.

[B]

Yep. After he provokes them, he will sometimes pepper spray them once they obviously get mad. Right.

[A]

How is that not a crime?

[B]

Well, now he is under arrest for shooting somebody, a black person, after calling them the N word. You didn't start a business just to

[A]

keep the lights on.

[B]

You're here to sell more today than yesterday. You're here to win. Lucky for you, Shopify built the best converting checkout on the planet. Like the just one. Tapping ridiculously fast, acting sky high sales

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

racist dog whistles. Doesn't know I've heard that term. Yeah, I don't know what that means either.

[B]

Honestly, I'm a little too old for dog whistle.

[A]

He was arrested on Wednesday after an altercation with another man. This is what we know. Scroll down. Did I shoot myself? That should be a rhetorical question. At about 1:20pm on Wednesday, police responded a report of shots fired outside the Montgomery county courthouse. And his jam is to go to courthouses.

[B]

I don't know if.

[A]

Okay, he.

[B]

I think that was just a one off.

[A]

Deputies detained two people who were involved in a physical altercation that escalated to gunfire. According to a news release from the sheriff's office. Both people sustained gunshot wounds and were taken to separate hospitals where they're both listed as being stable. The district attorney, in a separate news release, identified one of the People involved as etherly, which I believe is chud. The authorities declined to answer questions about the second man. However, a witness who saw, who said she saw him loaded into an ambulance, described him as black. Well, that's not the best description.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Scroll down.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did I shoot myself or did it graze it on his stream just from. Just after the shooting that either. Lee posted to social media. He says he shot a man in self defense after the person started hitting him. Is it self defense if you get attacked after you go and antagonize?

[B]

Right.

[A]

I think by the letter of the law, if you induce them to physical violence first, you might actually be justified.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It doesn't mean it's morally correct. It doesn't mean that I would say it's the right thing to do. But I think by the, the way that the law is written and applied. Is this what this guy does for a living? Like this is it?

[B]

Yes. And I've seen him pop up on my Instagram before of him, he's literally just holding his phone like this where he has like a selfie stick, you know, and he'll walk up to a group of black people and say, hey, N words. And then when they get mad, he continues to antagonize them and choices have consequences, man.

[A]

Yeah, I'm. I'm hard. How many. Yeah, I mean, how many times have I said I am not here to tell people how to live their life? Unless you are. If it's consensual adults and you're not preying on children, I don't care. And in this situation, this is a. An adult making a consensual decision. A decision to go out there and antagonize people in what I will call one of the worst ways possible.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And if you want to put yourself into that environment where the dildo of consequences might just show up and slap you across the face unlubed, I don't have a problem with that.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, really stupid thing to do.

[A]

How. How large is his platform?

[B]

I don't know. Let me, let me.

[A]

I hope it's not that large. I hope that people wouldn't support that in any way, shape or form. Well, but I feel like I'm about to be let down.

[B]

You're, let's see. 230, 000 on X9000 on Kick, which is another streaming platform.

[A]

Kick is. There's no way he could put that stuff up on YouTube. Right. Without violating their terms of service.

[B]

I don't think he did put it up on YouTube. I'm pretty sure kick is very lax with their streaming rules and so that's why it was able to be live streamed on there.

[A]

I mean, are we really at a place where people will actually do stuff like this as a perceived vocation or occupation? Just literally just for the clicks? As cliche as that sounds, I.

[B]

It seems like it. I mean, I mean, I wonder what

[A]

the retirement package is like for this occupation. You know, like what? What?

[B]

Yeah. How.

[A]

And you think that this stuff is not going to. I mean, how. This is something that I tried to remind my children as they were growing up. I would say things like, just, you know, we all get angry. There are things that frustrate you. Sometimes people are going to talk to you or at you in a way that you're not going to want them to and you are going to feel completely and utterly and wholly justified in coming off the top rope and going back at them with something that's pretty gnarly. And I said, you know what, you might even be justified in doing so. But in the digital world that we live in, you might be at a job interview one day and have somebody slide a piece of paper or a file folder of paper across the desk and say, is this you?

[B]

Explain that. Yeah.

[A]

How does this guy explain any of this behavior and any occupation? And I'm not going to call what he's doing as an occupation. He's making a shitty life decision in my personal opinion. Which is all accounts for. You're really bracketing yourself in life and putting yourself into a pretty self defeating system.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. You're kind of walling yourself off there to being the racist guy online.

[A]

The only, the only video of this that I would like to watch is him getting the shit beat out of him. Yeah, that's the only version of the video I'd want to see. I'm not interested.

[B]

Satisfying.

[A]

Yeah. This provocateur walking up. There's just no need to be like that.

[B]

No.

[A]

Life is tough and tough enough as it is. It's gnarly enough as it is. People are assholes as they are. You don't need to artificially introduce that into anything or spread that out. There's enough hate in the world as to begin with.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So is he in jail right now or is in the hospital?

[B]

So I believe he's on bail. I don't know what his bail was actually. See, it was later granted release on a five thousand dollar bond according to a judge's order. The hearing was scheduled Montgomery County Courthouse Wednesday morning. Blah, blah, Blah.

[A]

I mean, it seems like so either. Eitherly. Eitherly or eitherly was taken into the Montgomery County Jail. He's charged with attempted murder, employing a firearm during a dangerous felony, aggravated assault and reckless endangerment with a deadly weapon. Good. All those things sound good. And I hope they prevent him from his. The current chosen profession and behavior.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Of being a streamer going around.

[A]

I'm not so sure behind bars that self correcting ecosystem is going to treat him very well.

[B]

Yeah, that's Chud.

[A]

Might be a little the word. People might be looking for a shud.

[B]

Chud. Yeah. Chud, I think may not have a great time in prison.

[A]

Yeah, they're going to be smacking his cheeks, if you know what I mean. Or slapping him. I don't even know how to say that properly. But Chad's going to get turned out.

[B]

Yeah, Chad's not going to have a great time, I don't think. Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

All right.

[A]

How did you find. How do you find these things, by the way? Also, why do you have an Instagram group called no Andy that you invited me to?

[B]

I did not tie you to that, Ty. I think Tyler invited you to that.

[A]

Okay, so you and Tyler have. How long you guys. Hold on. What is this thing called?

[B]

No Andy's allowed.

[A]

Yeah. Why did you add me to it?

[B]

I didn't. That was Leah or I think.

[A]

Who came up with a name.

[B]

I did.

[A]

You're a piece of. For everything I've done for you. This is what you do.

[B]

Yeah, well, it really just started off with me and Leah and Tyler just sending docs and videos and it didn't have a name and so you weren't in it. So I named it no Andy's allowed as a joke.

[A]

And then I'm gonna start a group with you. I didn't call it Michael's a. As a joke, but also serious.

[B]

Yeah, I support that.

[A]

What else you got?

[B]

Okay, I'm sure that you have seen this.

[A]

Well, I'm just trying to think of. I wonder who I could call Chud today just so I could get some reps in.

[B]

Chud. It is a fun word to say.

[A]

Yeah. And you can tell that it's not a compliment as it rolls off the word.

[B]

Does not sound good.

[A]

It doesn't.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Hey, Chud.

[B]

Chud. Okay.

[A]

Okay. Oh, I have seen this. Yeah, this is how. F18s, mate.

[B]

Yeah, I'm sure.

[A]

Boy, there's paperwork associated with this.

[B]

So originally I thought it was AI.

[A]

No. Look at that. Four punches right there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, at Least I have never. So I did a Change Agents episode with a guy named Max Afterburner who was a F15 pilot. I've. And pause it. I'm going to repeat what he said. And he looks at a lot of aircraft related stuff. He's never seen two aircraft stuck together like this.

[B]

Yeah. That's why I thought it was A.I.

[A]

yeah. I'd have to assume that the vertical fins of the bottom plane go back to the beginning. What I think. Here's what I think happened. So the plane descending down, you can't obviously see through the floor. So he or she. I don't know. The pilot of the plane descending down likely didn't know that the other aircraft was there. Now the other aircraft that was below you would assume that you're like, alert, alert, alert, there's another airplane. Unless they were both heads down doing something right before landing. Like a landing checklist. This is how fast stuff can happen. So I mean it's clearly the plane on top is descending down and I've. This is the F18 mating ritual here. See what I'm saying? Like there's no way that plane up top knew they were there. Yeah, you would. Oh, and actually go back again

[B]

all

[A]

the way to the beginning if you can't. It doesn't have to be super slow speed. It looks like the plane descending down was slightly behind as well. So unless they were up and over the shoulder, they may not have seen it anyway.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it's probably the perfect angle to

[B]

where they both had blind spots.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, look at that mating dance.

[B]

Yeah. It looks fake.

[A]

It does. Let's assume since I would be the pilot. You're obviously. You would be in the back doing the. You'd be the rio, the radio radar intercept officer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What would we be saying at this point? I'm thinking I. I would probably not

[B]

know what was going on for a second.

[A]

I think he would be screaming at the top of your logs.

[B]

I don't know. I'm not much of a us Say it. As I was about to say it,

[A]

I was like, you're not much of a screamer, huh?

[B]

Yeah. No.

[A]

More the silent type.

[B]

Yeah. I. I would probably be like, what is going. I'm going to be like, oh. And just probably be silent. But it wouldn't be a good silence.

[A]

I mean that is closer than the Blue Angels have ever got. I'll give them that. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah. Maybe they should try out for the Blue Angels.

[A]

That fireball right there. Google. Do. Do you. An old Goog on the. Oh boy. Imagine descending in the parachute into that. I feel like they're gonna be.

[B]

Oh, ahead of it. Maybe they're ahead of it.

[A]

Well, the wind is left. Definitely going from left to right. Yeah, they're okay. Go ahead and give it a little goo on the cost of a F18. I don't think that particular accident was cheap. And there is going to be some substantial paperwork associated with that.

[B]

About 65 mil per. Yeah.

[A]

So a nice 130 mil.

[B]

Yeah. Breeze. Honestly though, that is nothing for the US Government.

[A]

It really isn't. They don't pass an audit anyway. So nobody know that those crashed. So you've heard me say before, almost all aviation accidents are perfectly functioning aircraft in pilot air. Dude, that's pilot air.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

I'm glad that they all got out that four ejection seats punched and they were able to get out of that. If they hadn't offset just a little bit. If that one canopy was over the top of the other one, that would have been a different ride.

[B]

But I mean, cuz that those things eject you at very high speeds. Right.

[A]

I've never been on a ride in one, but you go. I know you take a lot of GS on the way out. So I have to assume just going

[B]

straight into a metal.

[A]

What and. Yeah, well, there's zero. Zero seats. Meaning you could be on the ground at no airspeed. It'll get you high enough for your canopy to open. Not meaning you're gonna have a the softest ginger landing, but it should. That is gnarly.

[B]

Yeah. That smoke cloud is crazy too.

[A]

Oh, that's just. Yeah, that's. Did you see the smoke cloud when the airplane crashed at the Kalispell airport?

[B]

Yes, I remember that.

[A]

That's just jet a burning.

[B]

Yeah, it's just what it looks like. Yep.

[A]

And probably aluminum or whatever else an F18 is made out of.

[B]

Right? Yeah. A couple other things I to be released into the atmosphere.

[A]

Totally avoidable. Yeah. Let's go back to the beginning. Watch. You see what I'm saying? How they're converging like that? How did they get stuck, I wonder. So something's flying off. Their pieces are flying. Look at that.

[B]

That is so crazy. Wow.

[A]

And they're not coordinating on the radio on ejecting either. Like there's no time for that.

[B]

Yeah, it did. Does it do it automatically or do you have to press?

[A]

Oh no, no. You'll go. You will. To my knowledge, I've ridden in the backseat of an F18 for about two hours. I've never been up front. To my knowledge, if you don't pull the handle, you are going to.

[B]

Oh, so you have to eject yourself. Interesting.

[A]

Okay, well remember we had Keegan on. Yes, the guy who basically liquefied himself.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

He pulled. Okay, so remember he was. What did he say? He was less than a second from impact. The plane was just gonna. He would have rode it in with the aircraft.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

Yeah, it's definitely pilot initiated. I think in two seaters, there is a way you can push the back seat out, meaning if you pull one handle, both go. Oh, but that's still human activated, right?

[B]

Yeah. There's no. Yeah. Automated function for that.

[A]

That's rough.

[B]

So crazy.

[A]

Yeah. Unfortunate. I'm glad that they're. I wonder if that's career ending, man.

[B]

I would think if you crash two jets, it would have to be, right? Well, I guess maybe it depends on the circumstances.

[A]

Accidents happen in aviation. There are mechanical issues that occurred. Obviously there'll be an investigation about this. My completely off out of my ass guess is that was. This was 100 human error. I think it was a visual issue of closing distances at a. At certain angles and velocities that they just were unseen.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But if you expect pilots to be perfect and not make mistakes, you are setting an unrealistic expectation. And military aviators are very highly trained. But to expect them to not make mistakes I think would be an error. So.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know if that's career ending though. I mean, I think it could be depending on how. How gross. Not as like ick, but how. How grossly negligent one of the pilots was. I mean, if you find out he's up there texting and flying, that would

[B]

be an issue, I think. Yeah. Yeah, that would be.

[A]

Guys, let me just tell you, that happens.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I feel like in a plane, it. There's nothing around you. Right. Like what do you.

[A]

You think? So there's a lot of blue up there, right? Yeah, they come together more often than you would think.

[B]

Interesting. Yeah. Huh.

[A]

So I had seen that. I'm glad that all four of them got out of that okay. But. Yeah, that's. That's pretty wild.

[B]

Yeah, that's. It's insane. Okay. Another plane related incident.

[A]

Oh. Oh my God.

[B]

Have you seen this one?

[A]

I've heard about it.

[B]

Yeah. I, I don't. This, I don't think actually shows the impact. I think it stops right before impact. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So was the plane taking off or landing?

[B]

I don't Know, I. Yeah.

[A]

I feel like that place made by plane on airport Runway. I don't know if they were taking off the landing. It was at a high rate speed. What we're looking at is a thermal image. What the pilots in that airplane didn't have is access to this thermal image. So we can clearly see somebody walking across a Runway, which. Why would you do that?

[B]

I feel like maybe he was suicidal. Oh. Actually, here's a little breakdown. Hold on, let me see if the. I don't.

[A]

I feel like there's easier ways.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. But it's insane.

[A]

After intentionally climbing an eight foot barbed wire perimeter fence at Denver International Airport and walking directly into the path of a roaring Frontier Airlines jet as it was taking off for la, he didn't run. I mean, that. Looking at the video, it was. He was just walking. Maybe he was suicidal. Maybe he was just gonna saunter out.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But it was also. Well, they had their landing lights on, I'm sure. So he could probably see the engine nacelles. I don't know.

[B]

Maybe he just wasn't of sound mind.

[A]

And there's that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Why would you hop a fence at an international airport and just go for a stroll? Yeah.

[B]

It's so weird.

[A]

Also, how did that not get noticed until right there?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Where was the response? Maybe as there was a perimeter breach.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm not saying this is a military installation or anything like that, but I wonder what airport? Denver.

[B]

Oh, Denver. So you would think they would have.

[A]

I don't want to go much deeper into what I think because I don't want to give anybody any ideas.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

When it comes to an airport. Yeah. Or ways to probe security.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What I'll say is this. I would hope they clearly had a camera. They saw the person before.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I wonder if they weren't actively looking and just went back for that footage after they knew the.

[A]

Okay, that's possible too.

[B]

Yeah. After they.

[A]

But if they had the camera, maybe let's use it proactively.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Instead of retroactively.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So let's see if the person was suicidal. One of the more outlandish ways that I've ever heard of that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Being taken care of. Okay. 113 caught on surveillance scale the airport's perimeter fence in just 15 seconds. Yeah. It was only eight feet tall. Okay. A ground sensor alarm went off. Oh. But an operator reviewing the camera identified a herd of deer outside the fence and did not. And did not initially see him. Okay. So again I didn't want to go too deep into this, but they mentioned a ground sensor. That's good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Not great if there's wildlife. But also give it more than a cursory glance. Right. Okay. So two minutes later, one 11:15, just two minutes after scaling the fence, he walked onto the active Runway 17 left. So that means this Runway, that is the 17 is the direction. So departing nearly to the south, Runway 18 would be due south, directly in front of the accelerating aircraft. The man was struck by the jet's engine, which caused a brief engine fire and filled the cabin with smoke. Yes. Pilots immediately aborted the takeoff and all 230 passengers were safely. So that must have happened before V1, which is their go, no go safety speed. The coroner officially ruled the incident a suicide. NTSB and FAA investigated the security breach, but airport officials confirmed the fence line was fully intact. Go back to the beginning. I just want to see the pace that he was. Yeah, walking. My perfect day has sand, salt water and friends. But my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis can take me out of the moment. Now I'm all in with clearer skin thanks to Skyrizi Risankizumab RZA, a prescription only 150mg injection for adults who are candidates for systemic or phototherapy with Skyrizi. Most people saw 90% clearer skin and many were even 100% plaque free at four months. Skyrizi is just four doses a year. After two starter doses, don't use if allergic to Skyrizi. Serious allergic reactions, increased infections or lower ability to fight them may occur before treatment. Get checked for infections and tuberculosis. Tell your doctor about any flu like symptoms or vaccines. Thanks to Skyrizi, there's nothing on my skin and that means everything. Nothing is everything. Ask your doctor about Skyrizi, the number one dermatologist prescribed biologic in psoriasis. Visit skyri.com or call 1866 Skyrizi to learn more.

[B]

Very slow.

[A]

I don't know, man. Like you said, maybe not of mental. Sound mental. Well, either way, probably not of sound mental judgment at the moment.

[B]

That looks fun.

[A]

That's also your raft in case you go into water.

[B]

Oh, nice.

[A]

Make sure you take off your high heels before you go on the slide.

[B]

That would be a bummer.

[A]

It's a new one that Delta has added.

[B]

Yeah, I actually did see that. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Wow. Oh, boy. Go back to that.

[B]

Oh, that.

[A]

So that big fan up front is called the N1 fan. That is what is just. That's probably.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

That's a large bypass engine, and that is just compressing and pushing air back into the turbines, which would also be the first point of contact for anything that. I mean, obviously there's the bottom area, right?

[B]

Yeah. But after you hit that, I mean,

[A]

I. I don't know. I can see it going wrong, you know, and you're out there chucking and jiving.

[B]

Right. Yeah. Well, the thing. It didn't seem like he was, like, intentionally.

[A]

That's why I'm. I don't know.

[B]

Just, you know, he was just walking.

[A]

I don't know what to say.

[B]

Like, I feel like you would have to because the airplane's moving so fast.

[A]

It's also. The airplane is lit up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You turn on all your lights when you are getting ready to land and also when you are getting to depart so other aircraft can see you. You know what I mean? This is just aircraft basic aircraft avoidance and maneuvering through the Runway environment like you're going to turn your landing light on when you get ready to take off. That's. I don't know. I don't know what to say about that.

[B]

I don't know either.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's insane.

[A]

Yeah. I would agree with you. Don't walk on active runways.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Don't hop a fence at an airport.

[B]

Yeah. And try and walk across the Runway. Yeah.

[A]

It's. Man.

[B]

Interesting. Interesting way to.

[A]

Good job on the pilots shutting it down. That's gnarly that those people can just walk right up to the.

[B]

See the impact. Yeah.

[A]

That's not going to be pretty.

[B]

No. I mean, just from here you can tell there's a. Quite a bit of blood right there.

[A]

I don't know if that's necessarily blood or damage or whatever it is. It's. I think it's fair to say that it might have been a little bit of a. A robust cleanup process.

[B]

Do you think they just replaced the whole engine?

[A]

I would imagine that that entire aircraft is going to have to go through an airworthiness inspection. I don't know what I mean. Because there is an essence of an impact. I mean, that engine, for suresies not getting flown ever again. But they'd have to check how the engine is mounted. They'd have to check the wing to make sure there was no structural damage. That thing's probably pulled offline for a substantial period of time. Time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it also probably would fly again, too.

[B]

So there you go.

[A]

Or it could. There's a potential. I'm not going to say it would, but there is a potential, especially if it was not structurally damaged that it could fly again. For sure. Good job on the pilots for keeping it on the Runway. Like I said, there's a speed with which they'll continue the takeoff. And they would have had to come back around. It would have been a single engine as opposed to aborting the takeoff. But that. I wonder if they saw him in the cockpit right before it happened.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, there's nothing they could have done, but no.

[A]

And then heard the impact and probably just. Yeah, I don't know. That's. I don't even know what to say about that, man.

[B]

Yeah, it's insane.

[A]

Do we have anything uplifting? How long we've been at it?

[B]

55.

[A]

Do you have anything uplifting, Michael, or should we just open this bag of

[B]

dicks and this is kind of uplifting. Okay. So you heard about the tourist in Hawaii that was throwing rocks at a beloved seal?

[A]

No, I clearly don't hear about the things. Did the seal come out and whip his ass? That would be uplifting.

[B]

Well, the seal didn't, but. So here's the video of him throwing a rock.

[A]

Why would you throw rocks at a seal?

[B]

So it's ridiculous.

[A]

God, people are such asshole. 37 year old man from Seattle. Oh, that's fucked up.

[B]

Yeah. So that's up. But what's it kind of redeeming about this?

[A]

Take it easy there. Flare pieces in the background. Yeah. Oh, he's getting the beat out of him.

[B]

Yeah. This is very, very short video, but yeah, that's a native or. I don't know. Native, but local,

[A]

you know, very similar to chud.

[B]

Yeah. Yes.

[A]

There are consequences to the decisions that you make. And if you're going to be an. And go. Why would you throw a rock? It's an animal. Like that.

[B]

Yeah. It's insane. There is a video of him once, so he's on the beach throwing the rocks. A another person there is like, don't do that, you're going to get fined or whatever. He goes, oh, I'm rich. I can pay it so well.

[A]

You can afford his medical bills.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. That's another portion.

[A]

And get some nice veneers.

[B]

Makes them even more hated.

[A]

Yeah, I don't care if people have a lot of money, but having a lot of money is not a permission slip to be an asshole.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Unless you want to have that permission slip challenged and taken back.

[B]

Yeah. Which I support.

[A]

You have all the money in the world and you could have somebody who has nothing come up and literally take all of that from you by either taking your life or breaking your body to the point where all the money in the world can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

[B]

Yeah. And this is. That's kind of what happened.

[A]

I was hoping the seal would come out of the water and eat him, but I don't think they're carnivorous.

[B]

I don't think so, but that would be cool.

[A]

They eat fish and stuff. So they're. I guess they're a little bit carnivorous. Yeah. Why would. Why. Why do that?

[B]

Doesn't make any sense. Just. Just a dick.

[A]

I always wonder what's going on in people's life that would get them to that place where they would do something like that. Were they always inherently like that? I mean, it's a weird thing you. Javi, as an example, my dog, Javelin. There are people out there who take great pleasure in inflicting pain and punishing animals. And I look and I look at that dog, and I couldn't bring myself to hurt that dog.

[B]

No.

[A]

I mean, I've, like, accidentally moving stuff around the kitchen, and my toe will go over his toe and he'll yelp.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We catch his tail in a drawer, and he. And it's not. Incredible. You feel so bad.

[B]

Oh, I feel terrible.

[A]

Yeah. You pick him up and you make out with him for at least 30 minutes.

[B]

Well, you do that. Yeah. I don't.

[A]

Whatever. He tosses your salad. So you guys are back to. Even whatever it is. However you guys get back to your homeostasis, it doesn't matter. But there are people who would take out whatever's going on in their life on animals. And maybe this guy is one of those people, but what led him to that place? And that doesn't excuse the behavior by any stretch. But I just don't understand how you get to a place where you think that that is acceptable behavior or that it's going to end in any way other than a local coming and kicking the absolute out of you.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. No, it's insane. Also, because animals are purely innocent. Like, they act.

[A]

I bet you there's criminal animals.

[B]

I bet. But they're still acting on instinct and don't have a moral. Really.

[A]

Why don't you pull up in. I'm trying to think of the place where the monkeys steal glasses and they trade people for treats.

[B]

Yes, but that's still.

[A]

Where is that, though? No, it's not instinct.

[B]

Yeah, it is.

[A]

They're stealing glasses and trading them for treats. That's not instinct. That's a criminal enterprise that I think they talk about.

[B]

Right? What I'm saying is they can pull up that.

[A]

Pull it up. Where is this? I need to know where it is.

[B]

What, what, what was it?

[A]

Monkeys stealing glasses to trade for food. Yeah. It's going to pop right up. It's a racket. You've never seen this?

[B]

Hold on.

[A]

This is a monkey racket.

[B]

Oh yes. Okay, this, this is a good video.

[A]

Pull this up. This is amazing.

[B]

What I'm saying is they cannot think or reflect on their actions.

[A]

Oh yeah. Because this is a criminal racket. Where is this, by the way? He's like, okay. Huh? Here's your glasses. You tell me. He's not thinking about that.

[B]

He's. All he's thinking is how can I get food?

[A]

Where is this though? Pull up a larger. There's an entire area where these things just yank glasses off people.

[B]

Okay, let me, let me see, let me see.

[A]

What was your search term?

[B]

Word for word, what you said?

[A]

Yeah, Monkey criminal racket. Stealing glasses.

[B]

Bali, which is in

[A]

the.

[B]

I think it's in Indonesia.

[A]

Yeah. These, these monkeys are well known for their criminal behavior.

[B]

Yeah. Oh my God. Never mind. Instagram is not letting me do this right now.

[A]

Find it on YouTube.

[B]

Here we go. Get some volume.

[A]

Watch this. Yeah, this is instinct, right? Ha. Sucker. These long tailed Macs live in barley. Every morning the troop heads for a building. Not because of instinct.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Look at these tourists come here every day in crowds.

[B]

They are pretty cute though.

[A]

Look at this. He's got it. If you know where to look. Criminal, Devious. Totally.

[B]

Look though.

[A]

They don't completely run off. Yoink.

[B]

He's almost wearing them.

[A]

This harvest is not for eating. Notice they're not destroying them.

[B]

Yeah, because they need to give them back for food.

[A]

It's enough. Criminal monkey enterprise.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you can go ahead and just say. Yeah, not all animals are innocent.

[B]

No, I, I still think that they are innocent because they cannot morally reflect on their actions.

[A]

Is it theft? Are they guilty of theft?

[B]

It is theft.

[A]

Are they guilty of theft? Yes, they are, Michael.

[B]

Yes. I mean, we're not going to try.

[A]

Would that be, wouldn't that be the opposite of innocence?

[B]

Okay, yes, technically.

[A]

But we can just focus on the yes aspect. We don't need the technically on the end of that.

[B]

What I'm saying. Yeah, I'm just gonna shut up.

[A]

So you're saying because they can't think about what it is that they're doing, you think they're doing that by accident?

[B]

No, they're not doing it by accident. But they're just. They recognize a pattern.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they don't know that it's wrong.

[A]

They just know they know it's wrong. No, they look at their eyes.

[B]

No, they know that. All they know is they get food from this.

[A]

From this criminal act.

[B]

Yes, it is criminal to us because we're humans and we have more to them. They know they don't have morals, that

[A]

they're a monkey gang. The Hell's Angels of Monkeys.

[B]

Hex Angels.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. I feel like they have a leader and they have a little unit patch and that they know they're guilty.

[B]

They don't know they're guilty.

[A]

They know what they're doing is wrong. Javi does when he does something wrong?

[B]

No, he knows that he gets punished for doing something wrong, but he doesn't know that it's morally wrong.

[A]

I don't punish him.

[B]

He knows that. You get stern if he does something wrong.

[A]

I'm never stern with the weaned.

[B]

No. Okay.

[A]

He might get less pets for a few seconds. I think these are criminal monkeys. I think they know exactly what they're doing.

[B]

They know that they're getting food.

[A]

They definitely know that they're getting food. That's pretty good one to end it on. Monkeys doing glasses and hats.

[B]

I like that. More uplifting than.

[A]

I suppose it would depend on which side of the equation you're on. Yes, if you're on.

[B]

Very uplifting.

[A]

Yeah, it's. I mean, they've learned not to run off with it. They run off a little bit. They don't destroy it. And then as soon as they get food, they just drop it. Unbelievable. It's pretty sweet.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

Cool. What else you got for the week? Anything?

[B]

Nope. Podcast tomorrow.

[A]

Indeed. All right.

[B]

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