Negligent Discharge Friday - 10/31/2025

Summary

Cleared Hot – "Negligent Discharge Friday" (10/31/2025)

Host: Andy Stumpf
Date: October 31, 2025
Episode Theme: Wide-ranging banter on risk-taking, aviation stunts, generational differences, and societal issues—with Andy’s trademark irreverence and unfiltered storytelling.

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Overview

This casual Friday episode features Andy Stumpf and his producer, Michael, in a classic Cleared Hot mix of humor, hard truths, and sharp observations. Conversation flows through aviation mishaps, the thrills and perils of extreme sports, political leadership age, generational divides, legal philosophical debates, and even unexpected survival scenarios. Andy’s direct tone and willingness to explore uncomfortable ground set the mood as he urges listeners to seek out discomfort and challenge the status quo—regardless of where it takes them.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sick-Banter & Travel Recap

• Who Gave Whom a Cold? (00:22–02:05)
  Andy and Michael argue, with much mockery, over who is responsible for the other’s illness. Andy:

  "You think that I left some chem biohazard for you?" (01:38)

• Michael’s Return from Japan (03:03–07:57)
  Michael describes his Japan trip: "Very traditional, clean, nice. A lot of nature kind of intermixed with everything, which was cool." (03:13)
  Favorite part: visiting Nara's Deer Park.
  Discussion on jet lag, dog-sitting, and why Michael wore the same shirt two days straight.
  Andy chides Michael for questionable hygiene and avoidance of effort, concluding,

  "As a young man, you saw a path that would require discipline and hard work and instead chose to wear the same clothing and sleep on a couch because the thought of washing sheets was a bridge too far." (07:06)

• Coping with Jet Lag
  Michael’s battle with sleep after the Japan trip, and Andy’s advice on managing time zone shifts.

2. Flights, Luxury, and Entertainment (09:02–12:10)

• Flying Experiences
  Michael admits to suffering through a 12-hour flight in a middle seat to save $100, persistently justifying the decision despite Andy’s skepticism:

  "How is that middle seat for you in comparison to a value of $100?" (09:42)

• Travel Entertainment
  Andy teases Michael for traveling with a Nintendo Switch, likening him to "my eight-year-old nephew," and ridicules his game-of-choice, Civilization:

  "I feel like you would set up a feudal system where there's just slavery…You can't really do slaves in that game. I think they did that on purpose. I think it'd be pretty problematic in the big 2025." (11:45)

3. Extreme Sports & the Red Bull Plane Swap (13:14–23:31)

• Red Bull Plane Swap Incident (13:14–23:31) Michael brings up the infamous Red Bull plane swap, only to find it’s old news. Andy gives a detailed breakdown:

  • Pilots Luke Aikins and Andy Farrington attempted to swap planes mid-air; only one succeeded; one plane crashed.
  • FAA had denied their exemption, but they went ahead, resulting in revoked licenses and a relatively lenient ~$5,000 fine (19:46).

  "I would not approach an airplane—first off, I wouldn't attempt this stunt to begin with. Actually, that's a direct lie. I would 100%. I would 100 send this." (16:23)

• On Extreme Sports Risk
  Andy discusses the Red Bull Stratos jump (Felix Baumgartner); over 8 million watched live (23:29–23:51).

  "There is something about watching a man stand on the edge of a little platform in space and say: what would happen if I just jumped?" (23:57)

• Reflections on Boundaries
  Andy: "I deeply respect people's willingness to push those boundaries. And it really sucks when you see people who are out there pushing the boundaries suffer the consequences, but I think that's one of the beautiful things about the human species." (25:59)

4. Helicopter Crashes and Safety Lessons (27:01–34:12)

• SeaWorld Helicopter Crash (Australia, 2023) (27:01–34:12)
  • Michael finds video from a cockpit perspective.
  • Andy is stunned at how close the pilot came to death, stressing pilot error despite modern systems.

  • "You need to maintain positive control of the aircraft. Holy cow. You would think that that can't happen...There's so much air above our heads...but flying things collide more often." (29:41–32:09)

5. On Political Age and Representation (36:43–45:58)

• Viral Video of Elderly Politician's Health Incident (37:07–39:42)
  • Andy shows empathy over political divides:

    "Nobody wants that to happen to them…I'm just looking at it through the lens of a human being that isn't doing well and they're on a national stage..." (38:05)

• Congressional Age Limits & Representation
  Discussion on Senator Dianne Feinstein and others serving into advanced age:
  • Michael: "It's not representative of the country, just demographically…right now it's very skewed towards older individuals." (41:06)
  • Both agree on the need for age and term limits:

    "There needs to be an age limit and there has to be a maximum amount of time you can serve in that job. Period. Full stop. Or we are so screwed." (44:16)

6. The Youth Vote and Generational Agency (45:42–49:58)

• Civic Engagement Among Younger Generations
  • Michael feels his peers are "already at the enough is enough point," but don't know how to affect change:

    "It keeps going back to...it seems like we can't vote our way out of it because all the vote or all of the representatives..." (49:17)

  • Discusses what it would take for young Americans to get involved—maybe only a draft or existential crisis.

7. Political System Overhaul: A Thought Experiment (50:14–54:25)

• Flushing Out Congress, Fresh Start

  • Andy and Michael imagine a legislative "fresh start" and the challenges of entrenched systems, particularly lobbying ("legalized bribery").
  • Andy proposes a "say the quiet part out loud" bill, replacing euphemisms like "lobbying" with their true meaning.

• Patriotism vs. Realism

  • Michael reflects: "You grow up as like a Midwest American child with these rose colored glasses on thinking that America can do no wrong...It's really kind of a gut punch to be like, man, this is not the country I thought it was." (52:43)
  • Andy: "You need the gut punch though...I think you can have an immense amount of pride in who you are and what you've done while still acknowledging the shortfalls that you have had." (54:25)

8. Canada, Speech Laws, and Slippery Slopes (54:52–63:02)

• Jail for Holocaust Denial in Canada (54:52-62:24)

  • Discussion on a 51-year-old Canadian man imprisoned for Holocaust denial.
  • Andy: "Should you be jailed for being a moron? No. My concern with this is that this drives ideologies like this underground." (56:59)
  • Considers the dangers of hate speech legislation—"who determines what's hateful?"—and points to the strength of the U.S. First Amendment.

• Canada's Constitution vs. the U.S. Model

  • Michael and Andy joke about the "supreme law of the land" and the reality that piecemeal precedent can erode rights over time.

9. Survival Humor: Wiping, Poison Ivy, and More (63:03–70:01)

• The Great Toilet Paper Debate
  Andy and Michael banter about wilderness pooping, what makes for proper improvisational toilet paper, and the possibility of sacrificing a shirt sleeve.
     Michael: "I'm not using my shirt, bro. I have to put that back on my body." (63:02)

• Hygiene, Sacrifice, and Outdoorsmanship

  • Andy questions Michael’s outdoor credentials and giddily mocks generational differences.
  • Andy: "Your generation is doomed." (68:33)
  • Michael on youth outdoors skills: "Most of my generation has not even been in the woods." (68:37)

10. The Dark Side of Organizations & Institutional Accountability (68:53–70:16)

• Boy Scouts Controversy
  • Andy brings up the Boy Scouts abuse scandal, highlighting how predators flock where the vulnerable are and how institutions enable cover-ups:

    "What shocked me was how much the Boy Scouts of America knew about it and how they shuffled people, just like the church does..." (70:06)

  • Michael responds: "It's so crazy. So many organizations like that are so predatory. It actually makes sense." (69:24–69:33)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Accepting Discomfort:
  Andy: "I seek the things that make me uncomfortable. I move towards things that scare me. I think you should too." (from episode description)

• On Youth Political Mobilization:
  Andy: "What do you think it would take for you guys to a, pay more attention to politics or be...get involved? Or is it already too far?" (46:27)

• On Risk and Human Nature:
  Andy: "I am appreciative that there are people out there who think about it and go, let's send it." (26:17)

• On Generational Divides and Representation: Michael: "It's not representative of the country, just demographically…right now it's very skewed towards older individuals." (41:06)

• On Patriotism and Reality:
  Andy: "You need the gut punch…you cannot look at the sunrise without looking at the shadow that is thrown by the sunset." (54:25)

• On Censorship in Canada:
  Andy: "Should you be jailed for being a moron? No...I like to know where idiots are, because at least then I can make an educated choice." (56:59–57:08)

• On Uncomfortable Outdoor Moments:
  Andy: "You want to get poison ivy on your asshole?" (63:31)
  Michael: "I'm not using my shirt, bro. I have to put that back on my body." (63:02)

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Suggested Listen Timestamps

• Opening Sick Banter & Japan Trip: 00:22–07:57
• Travel & Gaming Discussion: 09:02–12:10
• Red Bull Plane Swap Deep Dive: 13:14–23:31
• Felix Baumgartner/Stratos Discussion: 23:39–24:43
• SeaWorld Helicopter Crash: 27:01–34:12
• Congressional Age Limits Segment: 36:43–41:14
• Youth Disengagement & Political Fresh Start: 45:42–54:25
• Canadian Hate Speech Laws: 54:52–62:24
• Survival Poop Banter: 63:03–68:33
• Boy Scouts Controversy: 68:53–70:16

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Tone & Language

Andy’s delivery is fast, dry, and punctuated with sarcasm but grounded in deep experience, especially when discussing aviation and risk. The show’s humor is broad, irreverent, and occasionally crude, but always self-aware. Michael’s role is to prod, provide millennial perspective, and take Andy’s ribbing in stride—even if it means defending the right not to sacrifice a shirt to the wilderness.

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For New Listeners

This episode is archetypal Cleared Hot: irreverent, deeply honest, sometimes raw, with topics swinging wildly from extreme sports philosophy to the minutiae of outdoor survival, to the existential malaise facing a younger generation steeped in political frustration. Andy’s message: embrace uncertainty, challenge yourself, and don’t fear discomfort—whether that means trying something scary, questioning the system, or even using a shirt sleeve for a necessary cause.

Transcript

[A]

Okay, I got the red smoke. Sun runs north and south. West of the smoke. West of the smoke. Okay, copy. West of the smoke. I'm looking at danger close now.

[B]

Oh, with it, baby. Give it to me.

[A]

I mean, it cleared hot. Clear. Hot.

[B]

All right, we're going.

[A]

I'm pumped. You got me sick. I feel like.

[B]

Was it me?

[A]

I said that diaper that a baby filled, that a hobo war and then waffle stomped through a grate. That's about what I feel like right now.

[B]

I think maybe that you got me sick first.

[A]

Let's see here. Let's run the math. I have.

[B]

I have information that you don't know that I have.

[A]

Okay. You claimed that. So you came straight back from Japan and did a little hobby watch.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You then texted me you thought that you had picked up a cold on the airplane home.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I had not seen you before you texted that. So how did I get you sick?

[B]

Because according to Leah, before you guys left, you had come home and felt like absolute dog shit.

[A]

And so that was like two weeks before.

[B]

No, not according to Leah.

[A]

I mean, here's what I'm gonna say. And it's not going to be much that perhaps her information and when she is looking at the calendar and her memory isn't accurate. So you think that I left some chem biohazard for you?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did you sleep in the same bed?

[B]

No, but I was near Hobby.

[A]

Oh, so he's patient zero, famous disease vector. He is not a famous disease vector. He's a love vector and a walking set of massive plums.

[B]

Yeah, I saw your story today.

[A]

That picture came from Leah, so I just had to repost it.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

Hashtag grinding out life. He's just. The struggle is real for that one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So yeah, again, walk me through how I got you sick without seeing you before you got sick somehow. It was through Javi.

[B]

Well, no, I'm sure you left some germs around the house that I picked up.

[A]

How? Were you licking the floor?

[B]

No. Have you heard of airborne diseases pathogens?

[A]

Sure. But there was a multi day crossover where none of that was happening.

[B]

Not according to Leah. I'm just going off of Leah's information.

[A]

I'm just going off of a calendar and how time and days work.

[B]

Anyways, end result, we're both sick.

[A]

Yeah, it's an upper respiratory little.

[B]

Yeah. And then I had a. A really bad migraine this morning, which I never get migraines, but does this.

[A]

Mean a really bad headache?

[B]

Yeah, I think it was a. My I've never had a migraine before, but I think what I had this morning was that.

[A]

How did you get rid of it?

[B]

I just went home and tried to take a nap and it went away.

[A]

Strong work.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right. How was Japan?

[B]

It was good.

[A]

Was it what you thought it would be? More or less?

[B]

It was. No, it was. I mean, it pretty much met my expectations. And above. Yeah. Very traditional, clean, nice. A lot of nature kind of intermixed with everything, which was cool. I liked. Yeah, very cool.

[A]

Okay, where's next on the bucket list?

[B]

I'd like to do like a Central Europe, like Germany, Czech Republic, Austria. Ish area. Yeah. And then. Yeah, kind of maybe some Poland in there, but we'll see.

[A]

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[B]

I would probably say Nara like the, you know, like the Deer park no area. Anyways, there's a.

[A]

No, Michael, we don't all know about the Deer Park.

[B]

Well, it's. It's just super.

[A]

Are you wearing a Japanese shirt right now? No. Okay, let's talk for a bit about your shirt yesterday.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

What was the comment that I made to you?

[B]

That I wore it two days in a row?

[A]

Yeah. You are gross. You're like a little pig pen. And you're blaming me for getting you. You don't even have, first of all, self care.

[B]

First of all, I didn't even sweat in it the first day.

[A]

So in your mind, sweat is the only way that an article of clothing is made dirty?

[B]

Well, no, but also that you're just.

[A]

Using that as your main argument.

[B]

Pretty much, yeah. I mean, it's definitely nowhere near as dirty as it could have been. And also, I pretty much went straight from getting off the plane to dog sitting and just kept whatever I had in my suitcase. So I just was like, you know what? I didn't wash it. And it was.

[A]

We have a washing machine at the house.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I didn't wash that specific article of clothing. And I had already gone through the stuff I had washed. And so why did you back up that? Because I didn't want to wash the sheets in the guest room after I was done.

[A]

You don't need to.

[B]

I know I don't need to, but then I would feel bad making you guys do it, so I would have done it anyways.

[A]

So another way you could say this is. As a young man, you saw a path that would require discipline and hard work.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And instead chose to wear the same clothing and sleep on a couch because the thought of washing sheets was a bridge too far. Yep.

[B]

Yeah. And usually I do sleep on the guest room bed and wash the sheets every time, but I just didn't feel like doing it, so I didn't.

[A]

Yeah. Julie said she came out in the middle of the night and your face was illuminated by your phone. You're like, I've been up since 2am I have jet lag.

[B]

Yeah. I woke up at 3 and I could not go back to sleep. And I was just like, well, I don't even know.

[A]

The other side of the clock is rough, man. When you get over to those places.

[B]

Yeah, no, yeah, it took me. Luckily, the first day was a downpour, so I was. I went outside for maybe 10 seconds.

[A]

And I got drenched in Japan.

[B]

Yeah. And so I was like, you know what? This is fine. I'll just sleep and woke up next day ready to go.

[A]

How was the flight over?

[B]

Horrible.

[A]

Morning.

[B]

Zoe got donuts.

[A]

Jeff Bridges, why are you still living above our garage?

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

Of course.

[A]

Champagne?

[B]

Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just got way too drunk off the free alcohol.

[A]

Yeah. So you're back in the sardine can just wedged between a row of like 18 people.

[B]

Yeah, I was in a middle seat too, which was unfortunate.

[A]

First off. Hold on. When you say unfortunate, when you purchased your ticket, did you select a middle.

[B]

Seat for that ticket? I didn't have the option to select a seat.

[A]

What did, what. How did you buy your ticket through.

[B]

The American app.

[A]

And it didn't let you pick your seat?

[B]

I don't. It was either that or it would have been like an extra hundred dollars and I was like, eh, I don't really want to really? That money.

[A]

How is that middle seat for you in comparison to a value of $100?

[B]

Now I'm glad I have the hundred dollars.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. It was not that bad.

[A]

You just said it was horrible.

[B]

The flight itself was horrible.

[A]

Having that in the middle seat.

[B]

No, no, no, that's not why it was horrible. It was horrible because it was from Chicago to Tokyo. So it was like 12 hours. I slept eight hours which was nice. But then I still had four hour flight.

[A]

What'd you do with your time?

[B]

Well, I tried to watch stuff on the Screen, but it's a. It was a Japan Airlines plane and so they didn't have anything good and so incredibly racist.

[A]

But.

[B]

Okay, well, it's the truth.

[A]

I mean, judgy much in late 2025?

[B]

Yeah, I know. So I tried to read a little bit, but that didn't work and so I. I had my switch with me. So I tried to play some games, but.

[A]

God, you.

[B]

It was just boring.

[A]

I'm glad that you travel with a portable video game console.

[B]

Yeah. How am I going to stay off.

[A]

Board like my 8 year old nephew? I'm glad that you guys share actually the same device. Glad to see it.

[B]

Smart kid.

[A]

Yeah. Or there's another way to look at that too, isn't there?

[B]

Yeah, maybe.

[A]

What game?

[B]

It's a game called you have. No, you're not going to know what it is.

[A]

You don't know that.

[B]

Okay. Civilization.

[A]

Yeah, you're kind of right.

[B]

Yeah. It's like this.

[A]

Are you building stuff?

[B]

Yeah, it's like a strategy game and it's fun, but for four hours it's just not enough.

[A]

You know, I feel like you don't do well at that game.

[B]

No, I do pretty good. I can win pretty easily.

[A]

But like I computer another human being.

[B]

Oh, you never play against another human being.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Because the computer is good enough.

[A]

As soon as you said strategy, I feel like this isn't going directly into your strengths or wheelhouse.

[B]

No, it's a fun game.

[A]

I feel like you would set up like a feudal system where there's just slavery is the main commerce and you would make yourself like a concubine or.

[B]

You can't really do slaves in that game. I think they did that on purpose. Yeah, I think it'd be pretty problematic in the big 2025.

[A]

All right. Okay. Well, you got your 2025 trip done for the year. Yeah, the podcast survived. We did some episodes.

[B]

I bet it was running on fumes by the end of it.

[A]

I don't even know what that would look like. What does the podcast running on fumes look like?

[B]

I don't know. But without me, I'm sure it was just a disaster.

[A]

No, none of those things actually happened. The workflow, like, surprisingly enough, the studio was ready on time.

[B]

The cameras were always ready on time.

[A]

Is it?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Is it?

[B]

I'm here like at least 20 minutes early every time.

[A]

That is such a lie.

[B]

No, it's not.

[A]

You are.

[B]

You wouldn't know because you're always here like three minutes late.

[A]

Oh, am I?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

From walking over to get the guest yes, which I can't even trust you to do that.

[B]

Hey, I would do it, but again, there's a trust issue, apparently.

[A]

Yeah. Based off demonstrable facts in past performance. But I digress. What do you have for today now that you're cultured?

[B]

Cultured.

[A]

Yeah. What do you got?

[B]

Let's see. How about a FAA revokes license for the Red Bull plane swap pilots?

[A]

That's not a new article, is it?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Read the date off that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Pull that thing up. So this is Luke Aikens and Andy Farrington, I believe, are the two Red Bull guys associated with this. Both pilots, both skydivers. They're on the Red Bull Air Force.

[B]

Red Bull Air Force.

[A]

It's not actually a part of the Department of Defense.

[B]

I mean, I know or I don't.

[A]

Or is it the Department of War now? It's hard to say.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Department of War.

[A]

Okay, I'm. What I'd like you to do, since you think this is a breaking topic, is read about three lines down.

[B]

Okay. I see it's from 2022, but.

[A]

All right.

[B]

I don't know if you covered it or have seen it or what.

[A]

In depth.

[B]

In depth.

[A]

Definitely covered it because I'm a breaking news kind of guy.

[B]

Right. Well, exactly like you said, we are in a breaking news channel and this is very much not breaking news.

[A]

This is actually right up our alley. This is the time we're about to. Four years later is the time.

[B]

This is actually.

[A]

Yeah. So I actually. I'm not going to say I know Andy and Luke. Yeah. Because. Yeah. Luke was the lead pilot. Very. Actually, both of them are very accomplished skydivers, for sure. That's how I was exposed to them. And then aviators. So they modified two Cessna aircraft. It's actually really interesting what they did. Actually. Can you play the. The video and then.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Make sure that the listeners can see.

[B]

It too, because I think it's great.

[A]

You can also make that bigger.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not that I'm going to do your job or continue to do your job.

[B]

For you, but you're doing my job for like three weeks.

[A]

Yeah. You know what? I determined I pay you too much.

[B]

You just now. You just now figured that out.

[A]

Yeah. We're going to do half of minimum wage.

[B]

Perfect.

[A]

Go to the part where they jump out. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I think it's.

[A]

Yeah. The heart stopping moment. An incredible aviation feat went wrong with the world watching. Cousins. Yeah, they're cousins. That's right. The first ever plane swap. 12, 000ft up while in freefall, they were supposed to each glide from one point, high five this as they go by.

[B]

Dude, that is awesome.

[A]

So actually. Oh, pause it right there. So you see, underneath the aircraft, there is. I'm going to call that a very large air brake that they deploy down. I also think that they put in here. I don't want to call it an autopilot system, but my understanding is there was some type of system that was managing the descent of the aircraft, because they basically pitched them over, exited the aircraft, and they were calling it a plane swap. So it's pretty clear what they were doing. They were going to swap airplanes. I believe one of them made it in, the other one didn't. And I think the aircraft that was kind of, I don't know, spinning or cork screwing, however you would describe it, that's the one, I think, where the. We'll call it a guidance system was not functioning properly, so therefore made it. I. I would not approach an airplane. First off, I wouldn't attempt this stunt to begin with.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Actually, that's a direct lie. I would 100%. I would 100 send this. But it only f you could get the aircraft to fall in a stable configuration, which is why they did this. And obviously, they probably tested this a bunch before doing this. It's also my understanding that they went to the FAA and asked them permission to do this. So Luke is the same guy who jumped out of the airplane without the parachute on for. I think it was stride gum and landed on the net.

[B]

Oh, okay. Yeah, I've seen that.

[A]

So these guys, right. Like, not their first road, and they're also wearing skydiving rigs. So there's two parachutes as a main and a reserve. I'm sure they went out to an area where there was absolute no chance they were going to cause any damage. And I think they asked the FAA for permission. I think what got them is. Is they went ahead and executed the stunt before getting the answer. Ooh.

[B]

Yeah. I was going to say, well, if they asked for permission, what's the big deal?

[A]

But you may not get the answer in the timeline you want.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or you may not get a definitive answer. So what ended up happening is they set it up, obviously, this is, like, directly into the Red Bull wheelhouse. Right. This is their marketing stuff. Pitched them over, jumped out. They were on comms. You can tell on their helmet. One of them made it in, one of them didn't. Par for the guy who didn't. You can imagine what happened to the aircraft that hit the ground. The other one, I think just flew off and landed. Go back to the article, if you will. I think they stripped him of their pilot's license for a year.

[B]

Oh, I guess that's not that bad.

[A]

I mean. Well, neither of these guys go back up. Hold on. Yeah. Luke Akins, the lead pilot of the stunt, had requested an FAA exemption in February from a federal law requiring the aircraft be manned by a pilot at all times. What a stupid law.

[B]

Yeah. Why would you even make that law?

[A]

Do you know how he got away? If this is my understanding of jumping out without a parachute, there's a bunch of FARs, or Federal Aviation regulations about what you have to have with you to conduct skydiving operations, but there is absolutely no FAR that says anything about jumping out without a parachute. Oh, so because it didn't explicitly say you couldn't.

[B]

She just went for it. I mean, hey, we probably thought nobody would even consider.

[A]

We call that threading the needle of bureaucracy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So hold on here. Okay, so he put it in. He argued his request that. He argued in his request that the plan plane swap was in the public interest as it was meant to raise awareness for science, technology and engineering and math fields and encourage students to pursue careers in stem. Okay.

[B]

I mean, a reach.

[A]

Wordsmithing. Yeah, but. Yeah, I get it. Scroll down. Two days before the stunt, the FAA denied Akin's request, saying it would not be in the public interest and cannot find the proposed operation would not adversely affect safety. Man, there's so many ways that it would not adversely. So despite the rejections, Akins and partner Anding Ferrington, who are cousins, went on and attempted it April 24. While they were being live streamed online, they failed, causing one of the single engine Cessna to crash. Neither pilot was harmed. Yep. The FAA described their behavior as careless or reckless as to endanger the life or property of another. According to letters to both mandated Tuesday, notifying them of their revocations. Scroll down.

[B]

Ooh.

[A]

The agency also proposed a fine. Real stiff. $4,932.

[B]

That seems very lenient for.

[A]

Honestly, when I first saw that number, I thought there was going to be a million associated with it.

[B]

And I.

[A]

But that's also unreasonable. Well, Red Bull is like, yeah, we're staying out of this. This is between the FAA and the two pilots.

[B]

Like, we had nothing to do with this.

[A]

Let me see here. Keep going. Both pilots must surrender their pilot certificates immediately. The FAA said. Click on the actual faa. Let's enhance.

[B]

Okay, that's not.

[A]

Maybe it Won't. Don't even bother downloading it. I think they. Oh, yeah, I can. I can reverse engine. He and Ferreton cannot apply or for. Or be issued a new airmen certificate for one year.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

So they pulled their pilot's licenses for a year. I believe one, if not both of them, are owners of Skydive Capowson up in the Pacific Northwest. And I think Andy flies the plane, but not necessarily, like, just to pay his bills. So for. I think people like this, it's not going to impact them incredibly. It is a part of their life. But, yeah. So for a year, you basically can't fly.

[B]

I mean, again, seems pretty lenient for crashing a plane on purpose.

[A]

Well, they didn't crash the plane on purpose. Well, yes, they intended being the operative word here.

[B]

Right.

[A]

To exit the plane and then get back into it. I. Again, I don't know them well. They wouldn't recognize me if we cross paths. But I am absolutely certain they took every measure into account to make it as safe as possible. And Scott, having in and of itself is. People will ask me if it's safe, and I'm not gonna say it's safe, but I'm not gonna say driving is safe either, because far more people get killed driving than skydiving. Four more people.

[B]

Far more people drive.

[A]

Correct. Point being, it can be done as safely as possible. Yeah, that's as far as I'll go with it. You are, you know, testing gravity, which is victorious every time I know of so far. And these guys, I mean, 10, 000 jumps minimum, if not multiples of that for both of these guys. They're very, very, very good. They're a reason why they're on. There is a reason why they're on the Red Bull skydiving team.

[B]

Oh, for sure. Yeah.

[A]

So, yeah, I think stuff like this is cool. Oh, yeah. I bummed to hear a guy like Felix Baumgartner died.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And he was a part of the Red Bull Air Force, too. He flew. He was. So the helicopter that I fly, the 105, it's the. I was about to say the exact same bird. It is not the same bird. They fly a civilian model of the 105, which has another letter behind it. Mine is a P model, or Papa, if you will, of course. But he was an acrobatic certified pilot. He did their air shows. He did, obviously, that crazy Stratus jump where he basically jumped from space.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

Broke the sound barrier with his body in free fall.

[B]

That's pretty crazy.

[A]

I think it's amazing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was a bass jumper, like all sorts of stuff. And they. This is what Red Bull does for their marketing, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Was the Stratus jump safe?

[B]

I would argue probably not.

[A]

Maybe add an ooh.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But you know what they did? They did everything they possibly could to include contracting with, like, old astronauts and people in mission control and working with all of them. And then you look at the residual risk and you say, what do you want to do? And these people, because this is what they do for living, they say, I want to send it. And Red Bull goes. Awesome. I think there was billions of views on the Stratus project.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

[A]

Yeah. I think there's something like 8 million people watching it live.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's a crazy number. If that's true.

[A]

It also might be a completely made number by me. Yeah, you should definitely. You should definitely check.

[B]

What's it called? A Stratus jump.

[A]

Stratus. Yeah. Felix Stratus live stream numbers or something like that.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. Over 8 million people live on YouTube.

[A]

You see how I can just pull out these statistical facts?

[B]

It is just such a big number live.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That is tough.

[A]

Because a man was standing on the edge.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, it's Of a little platform in space. And said what would happen.

[B]

Yeah. If I just jumped.

[A]

Yeah. There's a documentary about it. Awesome documentary.

[B]

Yeah, I bet.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Let's see how many views it has total.

[A]

I bet. Jesus. Turn it down. My God.

[B]

Volume's still up.

[A]

Do you know why it's so loud? Because you turned up the volume before you played this video.

[B]

Yeah, because I had to. Yeah.

[A]

Michael, thanks.

[B]

48 million views. Yeah.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It doesn't seem their official Red Bull page.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Are you sure?

[B]

Maybe. Yeah, I think this is the. Oh, no, Here we go. 54 million. Yeah.

[A]

All right. Whatever.

[B]

Interesting. Yeah, whatever.

[A]

Okay, so I am a fan of people pushing the limit like that, but sometimes it goes wrong there. The Red Bull is associated with a lot of people pushing the leading edge. And I believe it was a year or two ago. You know the Jetman dude who flies around the jet pack?

[B]

Oh, yeah, that.

[A]

So there's an original guy who did that, and I think his name was Eve Rossi or something like that. Then Dubai got involved, and Red Bull had two people. It was Vince and Fred, neither of which I met either. I'm aware of who they are. They were the same people who base jumped off in wingsuits and flew into the aircraft in Switzerland. They were. They got into the jetpack stuff and they were. They were ground launching those things, standing on the ground, kicking that thing off and flying up to altitude and getting forward speed. Well, one of them. I think it was one of them either. I'm not even gonna guess. It was either Vince or Fred. They're pack malfunctioned, an altitude they couldn't recover from, and he died.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

When you're on the front leading edge of these activities, things can get squirrely, actually.

[B]

Yeah. I think I do remember that story.

[A]

I deeply respect people's willingness to push those boundaries. And it really sucks when you see people who are out there pushing the boundaries suffer the consequences of that. But I think that's one of the beautiful things about the human species.

[B]

Yeah, for sure.

[A]

Not everybody was willing to do that, and I think that's totally fine and acceptable.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I. I am appreciative that there are people out there who think about it and go, let's send it.

[B]

Yeah. See what happens. Yeah.

[A]

You are not one of those people.

[B]

No, not at all. I never claimed to be.

[A]

I know. If you did, I would call you a liar.

[B]

As I would expect.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, good.

[A]

Like for you watching a horror movie on a Friday night, that might be it. That's your. That's your jetpack.

[B]

Yeah, I did that with Javi.

[A]

Did he hide under the blankets and get scared?

[B]

No, it wasn't really. It was American Psycho, so it wasn't really a horror movie, but it's a good movie.

[A]

With Christian Bale.

[B]

Yeah, it's really good. Yeah. Yeah, he seemed to enjoy it. Yep.

[A]

What else you got? Anything else from, like, the early the late 2019s? What do you. Breaking news stories?

[B]

Actually, Maybe is the SeaWorld helicopter crash, is that a.

[A]

What? Pull that up.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. Oops. I accidentally. Hold on.

[A]

I actually feel like this is old too.

[B]

It very well could be. Oh, my gosh.

[A]

How do you find these things?

[B]

I actually don't remember how I found this. Instagram, maybe.

[A]

Okay. SeaWorld helicopter crash.

[B]

Yeah, so I used to live down.

[A]

I mean, we're talking about the one in San Diego.

[B]

No, I think this is in Australia. Okay, let me turn the volume up.

[A]

Oh. Video from inside the helicopter involved in a. Hold on. Two years ago. Okay, so we're actually getting closer.

[B]

We're getting closer to modern day.

[A]

Are we prepared to discuss something this recent? Want to put out bad information.

[B]

Just want to drop it. Wait until we get more facts.

[A]

Get to the point where the helicopter. Okay.

[C]

Into a terrifying nightmare. Pilot Michael James Tapped on the shoulder by a passenger. Seemingly unaware another helicopter was on a collision course. The rotor blade smashed through the cockpit.

[B]

What?

[C]

Glass shattering over passengers. Everyone on this helicopter survived. On board, four tourists from New Zealand and a woman from wa. The pilot managing to land with catastrophically Lee. It all unfold from below. Ron and Tracy Dreadblack. They were walking their dog just 10 minutes before the horror unfolded almost directly above them. With no concern for his safety, Rod was one of the first of many who raced to help.

[A]

Soon it all happened.

[B]

Watched it fall out of the sky and.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Isn'T that crazy?

[A]

Go. Can you find the picture of the front of the helicopter that survived?

[B]

Yes, yes.

[A]

I mean I feel like I understand what happened here.

[B]

That.

[A]

Yeah, right there.

[B]

Holy. It's crazy that nobody.

[A]

So the pilot was flying from the left too. So all of that damage you're seeing is on the pilot side.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Windshield gone. I mean there's. I would imagine the reason that the other helicopter. Nobody survived is that the main rotor blade blades came apart. So yeah, it lost control.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

And when helicopters do that they have the flight characteristic of a lead, you know, balloon.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I. Holy cow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did you see in the video after the guy tapped him, he braced.

[B]

He's like, yeah.

[A]

Meanwhile the pilot with his. Notice the type of eyewear, mirrored aviators is just up there. Just like.

[B]

He's like, yeah, we're good.

[A]

There is so wild to me. There is so much air above our heads in the round earth that we live on. Michael. But flying things collide more often. It's. Honestly, I can make an analogy to Jiu Jitsu.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's like four people on the mat at the gym and somehow they end up kicking each other in the face. There's all the mat space, but it just is this gravitation.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That is insane. And that only can be equated to pilot error.

[B]

Yeah, I'm trying to find the.

[A]

There's a.

[B]

There's an outside view of it. I don't know if it actually shows the crash.

[A]

It might show the helicopter impacting the ground.

[B]

Yeah. But apparently an antenna failure played a role in that.

[A]

Yeah. An antenna and an eyeball failure.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Because. Yeah, you can have. Oh God.

[B]

Okay, so hold on, let me, let me.

[A]

It looks like an EC135, which is basically a EC130B. Four helicopters operating scenic flights on the Gold coast In Queensland contains 28 safety factors that provide valuable lessons to flight crews, operators. Safety bureau's final report into the mid air collision involving two Eurocopters. No way copters operate. I mean that's all you need to see right there. One. Okay. But the aircraft coming in the one just to the viewers up and to the right. The pilot is sitting on that side.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So. Okay. Yes. Technically should have. I've never been up front in one of those type of helicopters. I don't know if there's something blocking their view. But the pilot. They're the same type of helicopter. The helicopter taking off should have a view. And that's not some. That's not a crazy extreme angle. That is directly in your field of view. And again you might be busy. You might. There might be like a left hand turnout which is normal here. So they'd probably be looking to the left. I don't care if there is no antenna on the aircraft. All of these systems are great. But in. And they talk about this when it comes to emergencies. Aviate navigate and then communicate. You need to maintain positive control of the aircraft. Holy cow. You would think that that can't happen. I'm telling you.

[B]

Yeah. With all the space in the sky.

[A]

And somehow it's like somehow we have.

[B]

To collide each other. Yeah.

[A]

Which I mean I'm. Yeah. Nobody. The rotor blade. I mean the only reason that the helicopter that is higher was continuing to fly is that the main rotor disc stayed intact.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And where the rotor blades impacted, I'm sure it came apart on the other one was hitting the windscreen.

[B]

It's. It's crazy that the. The blades stopped like feet. Probably a foot from massacring the pilot at least. Well judging from.

[A]

He probably hit the outer edge of the rotor disc. If they were actually. It might have been like a. I don't even know. I don't want to hypothesize. If they had a lot of closing speed it would have probably gone through that would have been. I mean I. Holy cow. That is.

[B]

I feel like you can see right there where it's sheared through the.

[A]

Yeah. I don't even know what to say about that. I mean so that you can see the control stick. Yeah. The cyclic. That's what the pilot is using. I mean.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Just about everything forward of that bend and the cyclic is destroyed. And you could tell you landed on the beach. Yeah. You're gonna have none of your instruments gonna work after that. You're gonna have to do emergency. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I'm thinking that maybe mostly because most.

[A]

Of your instruments are now in the water somewhere. But. Yeah. Okay. That should terrify people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know. And what sucks about that is. So that was a tour operation. They. And so. And I don't know, it's. Well, this is in Australia too. So I don't understand the Australian licensing system or how they. Like we have the FAA here. I don't know what the Australian equivalent is. But to put this over into the us you're going to have pilot require requirements, currency requirements, training, all of that stuff. Operational procedures. And when you go as a participant in this, you're paying money. And there's an immense amount of trust that who you're paying money to is going to be qualified and capable. And I bet you both of these pilots were. But this is how fast something like that can go wrong. And man, that is gnarly. That's crazy. A video like that exists.

[B]

I know. Yeah. From the inside of the. The cockpit. Yeah. It's a pretty giddy up insane video.

[A]

Yeah. Get some good find.

[B]

Yeah, thanks.

[A]

There are some really gnarly helicopter crash videos, most of which cycle through my Instagram feed. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Does it ever make you nervous to get back in the heli?

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[B]

Yeah. Of what can go wrong.

[A]

Yeah. And I. And I think if you ignore that and are not paying attention to that, you're probably taking a few steps towards catastrophe. I think complacency probably has killed more people than anything else.

[B]

Yeah, probably.

[A]

You know.

[B]

So this is very recent. So we're actually getting. We're getting up there.

[A]

20, 24.

[B]

Yeah. No, and kind of just goes to show about the age limits that need to be in place for Congress.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I'm gonna not spoil it for you. You may have already seen. I'm sure you have seen it.

[A]

Okay. Oh, God. My name is Stella. I want to ask, do you support us taking working people off the streets and kidnapp. You know, it's interesting. Pause that. You see how he let go the guy's hand and was walking just a little bit, but before he actually fell, he grabbed it again. I wonder if he felt it coming. Like he is actually at a place where he physically doesn't have the stamina to walk on his own.

[B]

That would not surprise me.

[A]

Play that again.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, obviously he just got ambushed by a flat piece of concrete, but. So let's go. He felt he knew that was coming. And I wonder why.

[B]

Probably. I mean, I got. I don't know. I don't want to speculate, but.

[A]

So this is an easy one where you could just. You could take this in a variety of different directions. But what I actually feel when I see a video like that, I feel really bad for the guy. I don't care what's. What he believes politically, that is. Nobody wants that to happen to them.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Nobody wants. On how many views does that have?

[B]

This one? Actually, not that many.

[A]

Okay, good.

[B]

They're. Well, there are other videos that have.

[A]

Yeah, well, there's also videos of him kind of just locking up in public, full vapor lock for about 20 seconds. It's the same thing I said about Biden. You could absolutely despise who the person is or you could love who the person is. I'm just looking at it through the lens of a human being that isn't doing well and they're on a national stage and I don't think, I mean, it's their choice. Do whatever the hell they want to do. But, like, that sucks. I, I worry about my dad when I see stuff like that. This is actually what it reminds me of.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you know, again, people can make that as political as they want to, but man, we need to change. I mean, the last two podcasts we did, we're talking about, they're not out yet. They'll be out in a couple weeks. But talking about the political system, I. We have got to make some changes, man. We have got to get. And this. And maybe this speaks to this broadly. And again, I'm not trying to harp on Mitch McConnell because it's clearly he's not doing too well from a health perspective. And honestly, all I would want for somebody is like, man, dude, turn the reins of power over.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Watch as many sunsets as you can with a pina colada in your hand.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And enjoy the single digit years that you have left before you're eating jello in a nursing home.

[B]

Yeah. Well, who was the. Wasn't there some senator or something that died in office? She didn't retire or anything. She died while she was sitting in office. I don't remember who it was.

[A]

Do you mean like in, like in Congress?

[B]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Like on the floor. But like that was her. She was actively working and it's like.

[A]

Was it Feinstein?

[B]

Oh, maybe it was.

[A]

Yeah. Look at. I think. And again, I'm a little bit outside of my skis on that one. I know she served until she was 142.

[B]

Yeah. What was her name? Diane.

[A]

Yeah. Dianne Feinstein. I believe she was a representative from California.

[B]

Yes. Senator. 1992. And until her death in 2023. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

California, right?

[B]

Yes. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's just like, I mean, Pelosi is.

[B]

What, 84, possibly 85.

[A]

Yeah. That's how calendars work. I. We have to make. I mean, I'm closer to that age than you are. What are your thoughts on seeing the elected representatives of our government? So we have an 85 year old.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How old is Mitch McConnell? How is who Mitch McConnell.

[B]

Probably around the same age.

[A]

And Obviously, age doesn't, you know, impact people incredibly equally, but you get to a certain point.

[B]

83.

[A]

Okay. I mean, what are your thoughts?

[B]

Well, I mean, my first initial thought is it's not representative of the country, just demographically.

[A]

Yeah. From an age demographic, for sure.

[B]

Like that's the whole point of having representatives, is that they are a fairly, what I want to say, homogenous representation of your entire populace. And right now it's very skewed towards older individuals.

[A]

God, we need to get younger blood in there.

[B]

Yeah, we really do. Like, it's. It's actually insane. I wonder what the average age of.

[A]

Yeah, I was just going to ask you to Google that. But yeah, average age of congressmen and senators. Before you hit enter, what is our guess?

[B]

I'm going to say 57.

[A]

Hugh. Piece of shit. 55. I will. Closest without going over. Okay, I'll say one because I just beat you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Let's see.

[A]

Unless it's 58.

[B]

57.9. So actually you won.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

57.9 for the House and 63.9 for the Senate. The average age of all members is about 59.

[A]

I mean, okay, so there's arguments for that. You have life experience, which hopefully comes with some wisdom. You're at a different phase of your life. But, dude, the average age of the.

[B]

US is 38.7 years.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So 22 years.

[A]

This is fantastic. Keep doing the math.

[B]

So it's like 24 years over. Yeah. The average age of the. Or of the age of the average American.

[A]

If we do not. I mean, let's look at aviation. Let's say you're a Delta pilot. Shout out to the Delta pilots. Because I fly on Delta because they're the best. I actually just picked them years ago. And I've always stuck with.

[B]

Yeah. I'm an American guy myself.

[A]

Are you?

[B]

Yeah, I just got their credit card. So I was like, I guess I'll.

[A]

Yeah. The four flights you've done in your life, you're an American guy. Don't forget that. You've. You have a total of 68 sky miles.

[B]

69 after this trip.

[A]

Totally. Yeah. It's the number you've been aiming for your entire life.

[B]

I'm gonna keep it there.

[A]

Yeah. You time out. At a certain point, you could be the best pilot in the world. And they say you are retired.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because there are performance requirements.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm not trying to be. What would it be ageist to say that old people can't do things? However, has anybody ever watched an episode with my dad.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There are things he can't do like absolutely. Effectively stand from a seated position without making a noise that is unrecognizable. He just, he's like a breaching whale or a broaching. Well.

[B]

I mean I'm to the point where I think there should be an age limit.

[A]

That's what I'm getting to. Like there needs to be we there. There needs to be an age limit and there has to be an amount of time that is a maximum that you can serve in that job.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

Period. Full stop. Or we are so screwed.

[B]

I think, I mean I think I. I think we're already pretty screwed.

[A]

I think it is recoverable. I'm not willing to give up on it yet. But it. I think it is recoverable and I do agree with. So the guest we had yesterday, then again he. It won't come out for a while but he's running for Congress in eastern Washington. He's talking about how as the polls continue to be polls which I made the point of I don't think they polling survived 2024. Yeah, 2024 was a rough year.

[B]

I'm surprised it survived 2016 because that was a crazy year.

[A]

It hasn't been a great run for people who make their living doing polls. However, what the polls are showing, take this for what it's worth or completely throw it away is that more and more people are being drawn to the middle and by that they are just saying they don't feel well represented in totality by either the Democratic or the Republican Party. So they would describe themselves more as centrists. I find that in my day to day talking with people I find that to ring true to me. I could be wrong but I feel like that is the case and if that is the case, I do think we still have the chance to make a change.

[B]

Yeah, I hope so. I mean I think that certainly applies to me and a lot of people my age where it's like do you guys even talk politics sometimes. But I mean the. A lot of the conversation is like what are we even doing? Like I don't even care what political party you are. You're literally a lot of the things you're doing are just anti US citizen. Like I both right and left. It just. It is so not representative of the actual values of you, the typical American that it's like why it doesn't make any sense to me so. And that's a pretty common sentiment. So I think hopefully take for you.

[A]

And this is obviously anecdotal let's say your social circle. What do you think it would take for you guys to a, pay more attention to politics or be a step even further, get involved in politics. What do you think it would take? Or is there anything that would get. And obviously, obviously you can only speak for your social circle, but. Or is it already too far? You think that, that nothing would, would embolden them or light a fire under their ass where they say enough is enough, we're taking over. And by that I mean get involved with, you know, going through the process. Yeah, yeah. Your generation is not taking over. Except for a Nintendo Switch game of.

[B]

I would have to agree with you on that point. Yeah. I don't even know.

[A]

I mean, how about those in power involving us in another protracted war?

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

Do you think that that would do it?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I think so. I mean, what did I hear something about Trump saying he wants to go back to Afghanistan. And I'm just like, I think he.

[A]

Said he wanted to take the Bagram air base back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which strategically is actually a very important air base and they are idiotic for the withdrawal plan that they executed.

[B]

I agree with that. Yeah, that's so I don't know if.

[A]

I'd call that a protracted war, but let's say, okay, using Iraq and Afghanistan as an example, it's going to be.

[B]

Venezuela, because that's actually in the Iran.

[A]

Oh, similar neighborhood.

[B]

No, absolutely not. Absolutely not.

[A]

And they say we're undermanned. Time for a draft.

[B]

That I'm not gonna go fight in the desert for what?

[A]

Like what are you gonna go to Canada?

[B]

I don't know. I don't know. What? Go to Canada. I mean, that's next on the list.

[A]

Again, go to the question, would that be enough, do you think, for your generation to go. No.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We are going to get involved and we are going to completely flood the zone in the political environment and try to get elected and change policy.

[B]

Yeah, I think so.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's just like there's so much wrong here that we need to be worrying about. I just cannot fathom why we are using resources in this hypothetical scenario to go and fight somebody who I don't see the benefit of waging another 20 year war against somebody that realistically can't threaten us in any way.

[A]

Yeah. And again, you could go down the rabbit hole of why it would start. I'm just curious. I'm just trying to think of matches that could be the spark or light for your generation to get truly Energized and just say enough is enough.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I'm already in my head at the enough is enough point. I just don't know what to do about it. Like it doesn't seem. Again, it keeps going back to this. It seems like we can't vote our way out of it because all the vote or all of the representatives.

[A]

Not with the current system that seems to be in place and the people that are in place.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That would have to vote on it. Yeah.

[B]

All of our representatives don't answer to us. They answer to.

[A]

We would have the way to vote out of it. The way to vote out of it would be is you have to flush the toilet with the people that are in office. Yeah.

[B]

I 100% agree with that. Is get everybody out of there.

[A]

And you would lose some good people by doing that. But it may be the only avenue by which anything is accomplished.

[B]

Yeah, I think so. It's just. So that's that. Yeah. I think that's the only solution is a fresh start because. But then you. It's so tough because then you still have the whole ecosystem around it because there are the elected representatives.

[A]

But then if you get the. I think if you did a fresh start. And by now, by. At this point, I'm sure you and I are being absolutely destroyed in the comments by our lack of knowledge of the political system.

[B]

I can imagine.

[A]

Because we're just waving magic wands. It's a fresh start. Let's just get rid of everybody.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We're having a thought experiment.

[B]

Yeah. This is 100% a thought experiment.

[A]

Like me when I tell people I'm a theoretical physicist because sometimes I think about physics theoretically and I don't know anything about it.

[B]

Emphasis on the theoretical part.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. If I were to spend some time thinking about physics, it would of course be theoretical because I. Idiot. But that makes me a theoretical physicist.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, so this is. If the new people, if you got a fresh start, they would be able to carve away at the infrastructure that is supporting what was left behind.

[B]

Yeah. And ideally not be influenced by what's left behind.

[A]

That would be the point of the fresh start.

[B]

Yeah. Is people that actually it would need.

[A]

To be a fresh start to the. We'll say the community of the electorate. And then also they would need to take an objective look at how we got to the place that we're at. Like lobbyists is a great example. What did the guest yesterday describe it as? Or you.

[B]

You described it as legalized bribery. Yeah, that's literally what it is.

[A]

I'm a huge fan of the say, say the quiet part out loud bill.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is a bill that I had the idea for yesterday, which will never happen. But instead of saying things like lobbying, you have to say legalized bribery. It is actually by doctrine you will go to jail for life if you say bribery. Now I don't know much about our judicial system and I feel like that is an unreasonable punishment, but I think people get the point.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. No, it's, I'm very frustrated with the whole thing. It just, it's frustrating because I, you know, I grew up always being told you're living in the greatest country in the world. You have for clarity. You are right. But you grow up as like a Midwest American child with these rose colored glasses on thinking that America can do no wrong. The greatest country ever. It's all this stuff. And then you start learning everything about America's past, about the current state of American politics. And it really is kind of a gut punch to be like, man, this is not the country I thought it was.

[A]

You need the gut punch though. I think everything you described is essential. You cannot look at the sunrise without looking at the shadow that is thrown by the sunset. Yeah, it is. First off, I would challenge anybody to find for me a nation that has ever existed that has a perfect, non checkerboarded path. Right. I agree, I agree our country has made some galactic mistakes, but I also think we have course corrected quickly and we are doing our best to learn from our mistakes. But it is a mistake, I think to tell to, to paint or to put on the rosy glasses. I think you can do both. I think you can have an immense amount of pride in who you are and what you've done while still acknowledging the shortfalls that you have had. And that is a much more holistic view than we're the best ever we've made. No, like I don't think you're setting anybody up. If you apply that to anything. Tell, tell a young man or woman marriage is the best. It's always perfect, it's always going to work out. You're going to shatter their of the world when they get out there and realize that what Right now over 50% of Americans are, you know, adult Americans will experience a divorce of those that got married. Right. So you can extrapolate this and push this all the way out. I think you're better off openly and honestly acknowledging the shortcomings while also celebrating the things that demonstrably this country does. Do. I do believe we are still the greatest nation in the world. Are we perfect? No. Are we ever going to be perfect? No. Could we do better? Oh, God, yes. But there is a reason that people from all over the world will do almost anything they can to get here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It has nothing to do with you because you're just frustrated. People away. Actually, they don't even need a border wall. We just put up silhouette pictures of your face.

[B]

They're like, oh, God, we're not moving.

[A]

You have gingers run.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

What else you got?

[B]

Canadian jailed for Holocaust denial.

[A]

Come again?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I thought you were gonna ask me about Justin Trudeau and Katy Perry. No, that's actually too breaking. That's currently going on, right?

[B]

That's currently going on. We cannot talk about it. This actually is pretty recent as well.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Is this the right one? Yes. Okay.

[A]

Where. Where is my video?

[B]

I'm getting it. I'm getting it. Calm down. All right.

[A]

Hit pause. If you were to just to see that picture and somebody asked you what country do you think this person was from? Honestly, what do you think you would say?

[B]

Uk?

[A]

I would say Canada.

[B]

Yeah. Same thing.

[A]

It just. And I don't know why, but that is a Canadian man right there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, go ahead. Guilty of hate crimes for anti Semitic propaganda will receive jail time. 51 year old Kenneth Pollan was charged in June after a seven month investigation by North Bay police. He faced charges of the willful promotion of hating these Jewish people and the willful promotion of anti Semitism by condoning, denying or downplaying the Holocaust during the court case. First Amendment is an amazing thing.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And I have said this so many times. The answers to the tests on a lot of these policies are already out there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I hope that people are paying attention. Do I agree with anti Semitism? No, absolutely not. Do I agree with somebody denying the Holocaust? No, absolutely not. Should you be jailed for being a moron? No. And this. My concern with this is that this drives ideologies like this underground.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

As opposed to. And I'm not a fan of being on the receiving end of the information, but I like to know where idiots are.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because at least then I can make an educated choice or maneuver if I want to. The. I mean, okay, how far does this go? Anti Semitism and the Holocaust? Just using this exact example right here, do they take that a step further or a lateral? And because somebody has the belief that a trans man is not a biological man, does this apply? Because that become you know what I mean? Where does this go? Where does it end? Does it shift based off the sentiment? The flag of. The sentiment of the popular narrative, the people who are in charge? I don't know the answer, but I don't like that at all.

[B]

No. And that's why you need a foundational document like the Bill of Rights.

[A]

What does Canada have? Do they just have a maple syrup recipe?

[B]

They have a constitution. That must not be very robust because.

[A]

If you're getting jail, I should know the answer. What? What? I could ask Connor. She would know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Being our token Canadian. Also the person single handedly responsible for the coffee shop surviving.

[B]

Thank you, Connor.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Supreme law of the land. It is not a single document as composed of written acts.

[A]

Is that what it's called? Because we.

[B]

Which is the supreme law of the land.

[A]

That would be a very cool title of a document.

[B]

That would be the Canadian Constitution. Actually. Let's just pull that one. We'll. Yeah, I'll read it here. Or you can read it. Okay. This is not having a. Yeah.

[A]

Canada was created by an act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom called the British North American act in 1867. Now known as the Constitution act of 1867. United the British colonies of the United Province of Canada, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. That's right. They're still tied to the uk.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. They're still part of the. What do they call it? The Crown, I think. Or I don't know what they call it. I don't know what they call it either.

[A]

So that's actually interesting because I wonder if they are then beholden to whatever the UK uses, which I'm not.

[B]

Wonder.

[A]

I would love to sit here and say that I was so worldly and knowledgeable that I knew exactly what the UK uses. But I do not.

[B]

No. Canada does not use the UK Constitution directly. Instead it has its own unique constitution.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. So. But.

[A]

But again. And this. I'll go back to this. What they're doing. And I'm not. I can't sit here and say I'm familiar with every detail of their constitution. I'm also not going to sit here and say that I am utterly familiar with every detail of the US Constitution. They are obviously chipping it away at people's ability. It's basically if. If they had a First Amendment. What they are doing is they are slicing layers off of it until it's probably going to become unrecognizable. Yeah. I see a world where stuff like that becomes weaponized.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I see A world like that where it becomes out of control. How. Who determines what is hateful?

[B]

Whoever's in power. Which is why it's so dangerous to have hate speech laws.

[A]

I mean, what is hate speech?

[B]

Whatever whoever's in power thinks is hateful. It's. It's literally subjective, which is a horrible idea.

[A]

Like, what are we looking at here? Oh, my God.

[B]

This is the actual. The guarantee of rights and freedoms, which it seems like is not so much of a guarantee.

[A]

Okay, hold on here. Fundamental freedoms to be freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication. What? So. So that would mean. That would lend me to believe that whatever law was written, like I said, is taking a microderm, abrasion, little like razor blade up against this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then if it's not challenged and that becomes the precedent, I think you are on a very, very slippery slope.

[B]

Which I would imagine to even put that guy in jail, you would need to run through this little checklist and see is this. Is any of what he's doing is protected.

[A]

You would think so.

[B]

And if they did do that and then said, nope, not protected, they just completely all over this.

[A]

Or wipe their butt with it.

[B]

Both.

[A]

Because why, if this was paper, you wouldn't. On the paper.

[B]

It's an expression. It's not to be taken literally.

[A]

Well, I'm working my way through. If I had paper and had to go to like, you know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You could really find yourself in an unwanted situation if you shit on your paper.

[B]

Did you get in a different bus than all the other kids?

[A]

Yes, I was in the bus that had flavor windows.

[B]

Okay, well, that makes a lot of sense.

[A]

You don't ever think about stuff like that?

[B]

No, no.

[A]

Have you ever been out? Well, I'm just about to ask you.

[B]

If you've ever been out in the.

[A]

Woods, which I don't even know if you've ever left city streets in your life.

[B]

Jesus.

[A]

And not brought toilet paper with you.

[B]

Oh, yeah, no, I have.

[A]

How'd you solve it?

[B]

Well, shrubbery. Various shrubbery.

[A]

What is wrong with you? Your shirts both have sleeves.

[B]

Oh, no, I am not using my shirt, bro. I have to put that back on my body.

[A]

Oh, okay. Every. I want to pause. This is exactly what I have to deal with every day for the listeners. I said his shirt has sleeves, which clearly anybody with an IQ that is above what's on our thermostat currently would know that. I mean, you take the sleeves off.

[B]

The shirt, I rip my sleeves. I'm not going to ruin a shirt.

[A]

Okay, so you want to get poison ivy on your asshole?

[B]

We don't even have poison ivy in Montana.

[A]

Oak. Then whatever it may be, Mr. Outdoors.

[B]

You don't even have poison ivy.

[A]

I don't. I'm not allergic to either, anyway, so I can roll.

[B]

You are 100 allergic to poison ivy.

[A]

No, I am not.

[B]

Everybody is Google away.

[A]

You want to bet your next month's salary? No. So I thought you tuck that dick right between your legs again, boy.

[B]

No, not everyone in most people. So you have. You are no. 100%. You're not allergic to poison ivy?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Would you be willing to test that?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. How do you know?

[A]

Because sometimes when you're in a military unit, you go for real long walks. And sometimes it's at night and you don't know what you're walking through. And in the morning, out of the 16 people, 15 are covered in hives from the poison ivy and poison oak. And I'm standing there like, what's wrong with you?

[B]

What happened to you guys?

[A]

Yeah, what are you guys doing here?

[B]

Hilarious. Yeah, that's actually really funny.

[A]

So, Yes, I am 100% positive that I do not have an allergic reaction to poison. IV poison note.

[B]

That's good to know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I'm 100% positive we don't have poison ivy in Montana.

[A]

Good for you. We don't need that. Cuz you could put your shirt back on again if you wiped your ass with it because somehow that is where you leapt to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Why would you think that you would put the article of clothing back on?

[B]

Well, I wouldn't, which is why I wouldn't use it. I would still want to wear it. So I wouldn't.

[A]

Use your left shoulder right now.

[B]

What's that?

[A]

Look at your left shoulder right now. Do you see the seam on the sleeve?

[B]

Yes. I don't want. I'm not going to ruin my shirt. I don't want to. I could just as well use leaves or branches.

[A]

Just nice, dry, crunchy leaves.

[B]

It's not going to be comfortable. But you're shitting in the woods. It's uncomfortable anyways.

[A]

I wish I had a picture of when I was hog hunting with Evan Hafer. He just cut off the entire, like, front of his shirt. It looked like a wolverine had gotten like, what? Why did you come out here wearing a belly shirt? Why is your midriff exposed? You would rather go with random collection of forest floor droppings than cut the sleeve of a shirt off?

[B]

Yeah. I mean, if it was A not a nice shirt, I would maybe consider.

[A]

Why would you be in the woods in a nice shirt?

[B]

A shirt I cared about, I guess.

[A]

A shirt you cared about?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Do you have an emotional attachment to the clothing that you wear?

[B]

No, but if I like a certain shirt I'm not gonna use it for.

[A]

Do you have a credit card?

[B]

Yes, I have a credit card.

[A]

Could you get another one?

[B]

Yeah, but what if I can't find that shirt anywhere else?

[A]

And your life will continue to go on.

[B]

Yeah. And it will continue to go on. If I use leaves as toilet Pa.

[A]

This is what I have to deal with. I am so happy that people are seeing behind the curtain.

[B]

Typically though, and it's me.

[A]

You asked if I was on the different bus going to school.

[B]

Typically though I do have toilet paper every time I need to in the woods.

[A]

Prairie shits are some of the best ever.

[B]

I'm personally not a fan.

[A]

But what is your issue?

[B]

I just. I just don't like it.

[A]

All right. I watched a man one time while running.

[B]

Okay, where was this? Buds. Okay. Actually that I could see that.

[A]

I guess four mile run. We were running north towards the Hotel del Coronado. They park a vehicle, you turn around. He'd like his gate was a little messed up and then he shake. He shook his leg and the turd.

[B]

Gross.

[A]

But I mean imagine like you got to be committed. Yeah, no, I'm gonna say probably still sub 8 minute pace.

[B]

Nice. That actually probably made him a little faster.

[A]

I don't know if the weight had anything to do with it. Maybe his stomach felt better. He had neither paper nor leaves or a shirt to use at that moment. I guess he took care of that later.

[B]

Kept on going. Yeah, that it's definitely a problem for later when you're on a timed run. I feel like.

[A]

Yeah, you know what? I actually hadn't thought about this. Somebody else had to deal with that problem.

[B]

Who?

[A]

Some beach random beachgoer.

[B]

Oh. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Here's a good place to put our chair down. What is that?

[B]

What the hell? Sounds awful.

[A]

Okay. Would you ever use one of your socks?

[B]

Oh, probably not because then you would be barefoot in your boots. Oh, that seems.

[A]

How terrible that must be.

[B]

I feel like you would get blisters pretty easy.

[A]

I didn't say you were 50 miles deep in the backcountry.

[B]

Okay. No.

[A]

Your generation is doomed.

[B]

Most of my generation has not even in the woods.

[A]

So I mean, I'm not saying that's a qualification that everybody is. There's no merit badge associated with this. Like you Know there's no like or the Scouts. Are they three? We have an Epstein island here in Montana. Did you know that?

[B]

What?

[A]

Yeah, the Boy Scout island down by the south end of the Flathead Lake. Put two and two together there.

[B]

I didn't even know there was a Boy Scout island.

[A]

Yeah, I fly over it in the helicopter sometimes.

[B]

Wow. Do you see a lot of activity?

[A]

Only in the summertime. You want a documentary? A little below your hair back. Watch the documentary about the Boy Scouts and what they covered up. That make you want to take. It'll make you want to go find those people and get the most blunt, dull object humanly possible and spend a little bit of alone time with them.

[B]

Yeah. No, I cannot. I mean, it's so crazy. So many organizations like that are so predatory.

[A]

It actually makes sense.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It doesn't surprise me that an organization comprised mostly of young men has a statistically above average group of predatory other men who have a mental. I don't even know what you would describe it, but a bent towards victimizing the victim. The perpetrator is going to go to where the biggest pool of victims is for sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like that's. Yeah, it doesn't surprise me.

[B]

No.

[A]

What shocked me was how much the Boy Scouts of America knew about it and how they shuffled people.

[B]

Just like the church does that too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, it's. It's really up. Yeah. I don't really even want to watch the documentary, honestly.

[A]

I'll queue it up for you for when you watch. Yeah.

[B]

Be a fun watch.

[A]

What else? How long have been going?

[B]

An hour. 105.

[A]

That. That's enough for today. I want people to leave and have to think about just you as a person.

[B]

Could have nightmares. Gonna give him nightmares tonight.

[A]

Yeah. If you didn't want a baby to sleep, just take a picture of Michael's face and put it right over their crib.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Soulless gingers.

[B]

Yeah. I don't even have a comeback for that.

[A]

There's. It's just.

[B]

It's literally just true.

[A]

All right. Until next week.

[B]

Until next week.