Negligent Discharge Friday | 2/20/2026

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Host: Andy Stumpf

Episode: "Negligent Discharge Friday" | 2/20/2026

Release Date: February 20, 2026

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This episode of "Cleared Hot" is an unfiltered, freewheeling Friday discussion between Andy Stumpf and co-host Michael. True to the “Negligent Discharge Friday” ethos, the pair unspool a series of trending news stories, viral internet incidents, and philosophical tangents, all wrapped in their signature irreverence—ranging from jiu jitsu mat drama and firearms safety to helicopter mishaps, free speech, and the state of government transparency. The conversation is peppered with real-life experience, dark humor, and a strong push toward honesty, accountability, and perspective.

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Episode Highlights & Key Discussion Points

1. Jiu Jitsu Drama: Black Belt Meltdown

(04:11–18:22)

• Michael describes a viral video where a black belt throws a tantrum after being submitted by a purple belt during an open mat roll.
• Andy and Michael break down the scenario—what makes mat freakouts so petty, the importance of humility and honesty in grappling, and the role of ego in martial arts.
• Andy: “Do you know how many times you’ve tapped on the way to get a black belt?” (05:07)
• Key insight: Lower belts need to recognize when a submission is “earned” versus “given” for training, and higher belts must model good behavior and resilience.
• On ego: “What is supposed to be ego destroying… it starts by breaking your ego and then it builds it back up again if you’re not careful.” (09:17)
• The responsibility of coaches: “It should be your goal as a coach to teach people to be better than you…” (13:04)
• Memorable moment: Both find humor in the overreactions, with Andy suggesting if two brothers are fighting: “If that’s your big brother, put him out. Hopefully he will either piss or in his D pants—preferably both.” (10:26)

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2. Firearm Negligence and Viral Videos

(19:29–33:35)

• Michael presents a viral video of a negligent firearm discharge—Andy analyzes potential mechanical failures and the reality of gun safety.
• They riff on poor Hollywood gun handling (Steven Seagal’s “Code of Honor” and fake recoil).
• Andy: “Mechanical parts fail… the gun not being able to go on safe is an indication something in there is definitely amiss. Smacking down on the charging handle... probably allowed the firing pin to go forward.” (23:52)
• Transition to a tragic real-life story: A Texas man, in a political argument, “accidentally” shoots his daughter. They discuss personal responsibility, the unlikelihood of accidental discharges with modern firearms, and the inviolability of safety rules.
• Andy: “Very few firearms, if any, almost statistically anomalous, are just gonna go off.” (26:22)
• Both emphasize that following the basic four rules of firearm safety would have prevented tragedy.

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3. Free Speech, Racism, and Online Policing

(33:40–38:09)

• The Irish rugby team collects racist messages directed at a new black player, seeking to prosecute offenders.
• Andy and Michael debate the wisdom and ethics of prosecuting hate speech online.
• Andy: “Trying to police speech… even horrible speech… What are we doing? It’s 2026.” (35:32)
• They agree hateful speech is abhorrent but caution against government regulation of speech.
• Andy: “If you gave me the choice of, okay, we’re gonna either regulate that speech or we’re gonna let it be free—I'm falling on the let it be free every single time.” (36:19)

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4. SEAL Team Mission in North Korea

(38:12–42:51)

• Discussion of a reportedly failed special operations sensor placement in North Korea resulting in civilian casualties.
• Andy shares on the inherent unpredictability of military operations, noting the reality behind decision-making under pressure.
• The rarity of using sidearms in combat is discussed—Andy confirms it’s virtually never needed, reinforcing the gap between Hollywood and reality:
• Andy: “That’s one out of tens of thousands of operations… not all of which I am aware of, by the way, but I’m just saying that story is pretty well known throughout the community.” (41:49)

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5. Guns, Security, and Storage

(44:37–46:35)

• Michael and Andy discuss personal firearms storage—the practicalities, risks, and responsibilities.
• Andy probes Michael’s self-described “walking armory” status and safe practices, emphasizing that even with Airsoft or Nerf, reinforcing real gun safety is crucial:
• “Even in a play setting, it is a perfect opportunity to constantly reinforce proper firearms handling procedures.” (31:33)

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6. Helicopter Incidents and Aviation Safety

(47:09–55:11)

• Video review of a helicopter crash in Utah’s Wasatch County—Andy explains loss of tail rotor effectiveness, the dangers of operating in snow, and the mechanics of helicopter failures.
• Another incident ("Airwolf" helicopter crash at Newport Beach) illustrates how catastrophic tail rotor failure can lead to unavoidable hard landings.
• Andy: “Those tail rotors are spinning… It doesn’t take a whole lot; you’re going to be out of balance… loss of tail rotor effectiveness, really, your only option is to slow the spin, reduce power…” (51:08)

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7. Online Dating Apps for Teens & Societal Impact

(55:17–58:03)

• Michael brings up “Wiz”—a social/dating app for 13+ marketed as “Tinder for teens.”
• Both express deep skepticism about the designers’ motives, the inevitable risk of predator abuse, and the loss of real-world connection.
• Andy: “If an adult is making that, they understand what the current ecosystem is for adults and they’re recreating that for kids. There is no plausible world where they’re like, ‘Because it’s kids, it’s going to be better.’” (57:00)
• They question the ethics—“I just want enough money to be able to say no to things and do what I want to with my time.” (58:12)

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8. Government Transparency, Epstein Files, and Systemic Corruption

(58:03–69:49)

• A deep dive into frustrations about the release (and non-release) of Epstein-related files, with skepticism about government and legal system integrity.
• Andy references Nick Bryant (Change Agents) and government stonewalling:
• “I am at a loss as to what’s going on at this point.” (59:48)
• Both lament lack of accountability, discuss the psychological toll of widespread distrust, and ponder the possibility (and impossibility) of systemic reform.
• Michael: “How could you sacrifice your personal values and morals to protect people that are fucking pedophiles and horrible people?” (62:03)
• Andy counters sensationalist internet takes: “I am hearing very popular, very influential people starting to say things like, ‘our entire government is composed and comprised of pedophiles.’ That’s not likely. … Are we benefited at all by saying that it’s all of them? I don’t think so. Because people are getting to a place where they have absolutely no faith and trust in anything, and I don’t know where you go from there.” (62:47; 63:29)

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9. Final Reflections: Agency, Accountability, & The Future

(69:10–69:55)

• The episode closes on a note of complicated hope—acknowledging doom but urging listeners not to bury their heads.
• “It's on your generation, Michael.” (69:49)
• Both stress the importance of not resigning to helplessness, but instead searching for ways—however limited—to stay informed and principled.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Jiu Jitsu Ego:
  “If that’s your big brother, put him out. Hopefully he will either piss or in his D pants—preferably both.” – Andy (10:26)

• On Firearms and Responsibility:
  “Very few firearms, if any, almost statistically anomalous, are just gonna go off.” – Andy (26:22)
  “Treat all weapons as if they are loaded. Do not point at something that you do not intend to destroy or kill.” – Andy (27:02)

• On Free Speech Regulation:
  “I would rather have people with hurt feelings than regulated speech.” – Andy (37:20)

• On Government and Transparency:
  “Are we benefited at all by saying that it’s all of them? I don’t think so. Because people are getting into a place where they have absolutely no faith and trust in anything. And I don’t know where you go from there.” – Andy (63:29)

• On Coping with the State of the World:
  “We talked about our future, how the sun is rising on America. … We’re doomed. It’s so over.” – Andy and Michael (69:18–69:21, joking)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Topic | Start Time | |---------|-------|------------| | Jiu Jitsu & Ego | 04:11 | | Firearm Negligence | 19:29 | | Free Speech & Hate Speech | 33:40 | | SEAL Mission/NK & Pistols in Combat | 38:12 | | Gun Storage & Safety | 44:37 | | Helicopter Tail Rotor Crashes | 47:09 | | Teen Dating Apps | 55:17 | | Epstein Files & Gov’t Transparency | 58:03 | | Final Thoughts, Hope & Accountability | 69:10 |

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Summary: Tone & Takeaways

The episode delivers a blend of dark humor, candid critique, and practical wisdom, moving fluidly between viral grappling drama, serious firearm safety, international speculation, internet culture, and the corrosive effects of government opacity. Above all, Andy and Michael advocate for humility, honesty, rational debate, and, when things look bleak, a refusal to simply check out—reminding listeners that agency, even in a flawed system, begins with awareness and small, principled choices.

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Transcript

[A]

Okay, I got the red smoke. Sun runs north and south west of the smoke. West of the smoke. Okay, copy. West of the smoke. I'm looking at danger close now with it.

[B]

Baby, give it to me.

[A]

I mean, it cleared. Hot. Clear. Hot.

[B]

Going.

[A]

Okay, this was your idea. I hope you have some heat for today.

[B]

Yeah, this was my idea. We just haven't done one in a while.

[A]

I think we did one like two weeks ago.

[B]

No, it's been longer than that.

[A]

Seems like two weeks.

[B]

Okay, sounds good. All right.

[A]

What do you have for today? First off, how are you still sick?

[B]

I have no clue. I think.

[A]

Do you have health insurance? Do you need to go to a doctor?

[B]

No, I. Well, my aunt's a doctor. I asked her. I gave her.

[A]

What type of doctor?

[B]

Like, I think she's. No, she's like a family medicine or whatever.

[A]

Okay, that's strong.

[B]

Yeah. But she was like, there's not really anything you can do. Basically, it sounds like a viral thing, so you just kind of have to wait it out.

[A]

So you went to the doctor over the phone? Yes. Nice. That's good.

[B]

Yeah. Thank you.

[A]

Yeah, it's incredibly thorough.

[B]

Yeah, it really was.

[A]

And you've been sick for how long?

[B]

Two weeks. Over two weeks now. Yeah.

[A]

Let's. Let's keep working our way towards honesty. How long?

[B]

Two weeks and two days. Sorry.

[A]

About a month. You've been sick for about a month.

[B]

No, I haven't.

[A]

You have sounded horrible for about a month.

[B]

I don't think so.

[A]

Are we really going to start this show with you displaying for the world how much of a liar you are?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because we value honesty.

[B]

I would know. I would know better than you.

[A]

First. I actually think a great argument could be made that you wouldn't. You know who says things like that? My dad.

[B]

Dog, I. I got sick.

[A]

Did you just call me dog?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I'm sorry. Cough it out. Go ahead. Healthy boy.

[B]

This is actually better than it has been the last.

[A]

Yeah. Let's make an agreement that you're not going to call me dog anymore. Dog. D, A W, G. First off, I've never heard you say that, so I don't know where that's coming from.

[B]

I say it a lot, actually.

[A]

Well, just don't say it in here.

[B]

Fair.

[A]

You sound like a child.

[B]

I am a child.

[A]

Yeah. 23 is not that old.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

Black Belt throws a tantrum after getting subbed by Purple Belt. Have you seen this video?

[A]

No, but I love it already.

[B]

It's hilarious.

[A]

This is.

[B]

Well, this. It's just been going around, but this particular video is Jiu Jitsu. He did like a breakdown on it.

[A]

Chewy did.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, he's. Which you've had him on before.

[A]

Nick. Alvin. Yeah, he's awesome.

[B]

Just make sure that's up. Okay, Here we go.

[A]

What a cunt.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Andy's back in a triangle. Anyway, yeah, here's the thing. Who cares, dude?

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Do you know how many times you've tapped on the way to get a black belt.

[B]

Oh, my. Countless, countless times.

[A]

The only time things get frustrating is when you see people acting as if it's like the world championships and they also are starting in positions that they didn't earn. I don't know if you like, if you want to have like a role where you start off either standing or seated, whatever your flavor may be, and every position that you, that you get to is actually earned. That's awesome. If somebody lets you start on their back, you know what I mean? Or lets you start. And, and I'm actually not saying, like, let's say it's the black belt that lets you do that and get submitted. What's amazing to me is the lack of awareness from somebody who is allowed. Like they will let you start and mount and maybe they're working on a particular escape. And yeah, you tap a black belt, which means absolutely nothing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then that person is like hooting and hollering and they're having it's. I won't call it a freak out, but they're having this crazy reaction to something that they didn't earn and wasn't real. That's how you end up getting smashed on the bottom. Now this guy started throwing punches, which is just a total douche move. Like, yeah, it's like, dude, nobody likes losing. Yes, there is pressure that comes with having your black belt, but nobody gives two shits. So that is just pure. Well, and actually I was going to say that's pure ego. We don't know anything about those two people. They maybe have a history.

[B]

Yeah, maybe there's a history.

[A]

Those might be brothers for all that we know. Right. So let's just say that there is a, an opportunity for us not to have all the information. And by that I mean a certainty that we don't have all the information. But who cares on both sides of those things? Like, if you're the lower belt and you submit a black belt, guess what's going to happen if you keep training. One day you're going to become a black belt and a lower belt is going to submit you. How do you want them to behave as that lower belt and how do you want the black belt to behave? And let's just model both of those behaviors. This isn't that hard. I have asked people or people have asked me, like, hey man, you know, we were rolling before and you caught me with this and how did you do that? And I'm like, I don't even remember what you're talking about my memory of the roles that I have generally expires by the time I leave Openman. I do not care about the outcome of a role. People, oh, I'm gonna come get you. Like, dude, please, by all means, go for it. I'm gonna tap out. A Navy seal. Haven't been one for over a decade. Like, all of these things, none of them mean anything. It doesn't feel any differently. I don't have any magic. Do I like losing? No, nobody likes losing. If I'm closer to 50 than I am 40, am I even going to be competitive with a dude in his mid-20s, early-30s that used to be a wrestler who's a purple belt? Probably not.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like, who cares, man? But what I really don't care about are the artificial things that happen on a jiu jitsu mat.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like the going to. Like, sometimes you get caught. And also, you have to be able to be creative. Like, you're out there. And with lower belts, I don't know if people realize this. I mean, Leah told me one time, she's like, you know, treat purple. Purple belts like they are probationary black belts until they show you otherwise. I'm like, oh, that's a really good way of thinking about that brown belt. You're kind of polishing and figuring out what your style is. And then at a black belt, it's like, okay, cool. Now everybody thinks you know everything and you completely 100 don't.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

least in my experience. But, like, at a blue or a white belt, those are the belts that you can be really creative with and you can get away with stuff. And I think if you want your game to continue, you have to be able to be creative and try new stuff out. You need to be able to work on your timing with somebody whose timing is. Isn't as good as yours. You know what I mean? You need. You need to be able to risk where maybe you wouldn't want to risk with a higher belt because, you know, if you make a mistake, they're going to capitalize on it, and you don't want it to go that way. Right. So there's. There's utility and training all up the belt tree, but, like, nothing goes. I God, like, to the point of, like, trying to hit the guy again. Maybe they're brothers.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I'm trying to be charitable here and say that there's a reason behind that, because if that's not the case, that's just pure ego.

[B]

Yeah. It's so.

[A]

Which is hilarious to me. Because you know what is supposed to be ego destroying. You know what people talk about. Yeah. How it destroys your ego. Well, if that were the case, then nobody would give a truly about the outcome on the mat. Because I have found that it starts by breaking your ego and then it builds it back up again if you're not careful. Better.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Well then you get to your place where I can't lose to anybody. Right.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. You feel like your expectations are way higher on you.

[A]

So you. Yeah. And you put them all on yourself.

[B]

Who gives a. Yeah, exactly.

[A]

This is all supposed to be prepped for the real world anyway. Like these are your training partners. And another, I think it was Leah said, she's like this Jiu Jitsu is an individual team sport. I was like, what are you talking about? She's like, the journey is yours individually, but you need training partners to advance. So without those two things, you know, I guess you could do it a little bit with the training dummy. That would be super weird. Very Covid esque, if you will. But other than that, like you need your partners. You have to have trust you. It has to be okay. It's not real. You don't need to jump up and start hitting somebody.

[B]

Yeah, dude, what a dick.

[A]

And also. And trying to hit him how he like in that deep triangle.

[B]

Yeah, he fell right into a triangle, which is so funny.

[A]

And if they were brothers, I would be completely fine with the bottom guy taking him unconscious. It's a blood choke. It's not a joint lock or anything like that. If that's your big brother, put him out. Hopefully he will either piss or in his D pants.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Preferably both. And then he gets. Then he's also going to wake up swinging again. So you may actually not want to be there when that happens.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But yeah, other than that, if they're not like brothers.

[B]

Yeah, it's so.

[A]

And I put that on the. I put that 100 on the higher belt. You have to be okay with losing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I will say to people who are at lower belts, be aware of things that you have earned and things that you haven't.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah. That's what I was going to say is like I've caught higher belts before, but in the back of my mind I'm always like, I'm sure he's working on some new that he never does. And I wouldn't.

[A]

Don't think about it like that. Your Jiu Jitsu is very good, I would say at your level. At most people Are going to give you position, but not a submission.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like, if they're like, you and I have rolled before, you don't have the best of success passing my guard. No, but there have been plenty of times where I'll just drop my legs down and you can start pass like that. That's what I'm saying. You don't think that if you get. If you ever catch me, it's going to be real? Like, I'm not going to give you the submission, but I'm more than happy to let you start in psych control.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or neon belly or even, like, I don't care. Like, people will give you the position, they're not going to give you the submission.

[B]

Yeah. But then I've also been caught by like blue belts before and I'm like, well, like, it. It happens, dude. Like, and I didn't come up.

[A]

How did you get caught? How did you get caught by a lower belt? I must. This is.

[B]

I must suck. I have to punch him now.

[A]

Did you consider throwing your belt away?

[B]

I did, yeah.

[A]

It's good. It's a good first thought.

[B]

Oh, yeah. It's like my. I didn't pop up.

[A]

Who cares?

[B]

Punching the guy. It's like, dude. Well, it's also. It's open mat, bro. Like, you're going to lose some. You're gonna win some. It doesn't matter now.

[A]

I like, now. Now the people next to them are actually paying attention. Yeah, they're like, before that in the middle of the roll, absolutely nobody on earth gave any care whatsoever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Nobody would have noticed.

[B]

No, if he wouldn't have just. If he would have just been like, oh, good, good one. You know what's.

[A]

Which is the move.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you know, here's the thing too. I know I'm not a coach, so I'm speaking a little bit over my skis here, but I have coached quite a few things in my life. And I'll say this. It should be your goal as a coach to teach people to be better than you. Yeah. Your goal as a coach. A great coach can develop athletes in whatever it is that you're doing. Public speaking to physical combat sports in air quotes that can beat you. The ones that have the biggest egos will always try to hold their students back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It may suck to lose, but if you can teach somebody starting from nothing to get to a place that is better than where you are currently at in a shorter time than it took you to get there, that's freaking awesome.

[B]

It's actually pretty Impressive.

[A]

It is pretty impressive. It doesn't help your ego at all. But coaches should be trying to and developing athletes that are better than they are. That is not a sign that you suck at Jiu Jitsu.

[B]

Actually, you say it's a sign that

[A]

you're very good at Jiu Jitsu as coaching, for sure. And also size, strength, age, all real.

[B]

It all matters. Yeah, yeah. As much as people say it doesn't, it 100% is.

[A]

Take it easy out there at open mats, everybody. Don't. I. I love that the purple belt just threw a triangle.

[B]

Went right back to. Yeah. Threw a triangle up a little bit.

[A]

God. I mean, come on. Like, so unnecessary.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, he's got it locked up.

[A]

He does have it locked up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do not let him out.

[B]

That's hilarious.

[A]

Still trying to hit Jesus. He's not letting it go. I like it.

[B]

Also funny how quick that triangle shut down his enthusiasm for punching.

[A]

Are these. Okay, so that's a black belt. I was gonna say. Are these white belts ending this now?

[B]

I think. Yeah. I think another black belt stepped in there.

[A]

Okay, stop it. You hear him? You were neck cranking me.

[B]

Tap, Tap. Yep.

[A]

You don't have to prove how tough you are. A black belt doesn't protect you from an upper neck injury.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If somebody. And this happens with people with. Not to make this whole episode like a Jiu Jitsu diatribe, people who don't know as much are going to do wild things that you don't expect.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not because they're trying to hurt you, because they don't know better, but once they know better, they can do better. So if you are. Oh, my God. So I do a lot of the first roles in Leah's class when the larger guys come in, and she'll literally just say, if you don't know what's going on and you are in pain or heading towards discomfort, just tap and reset. We can talk about what happened. I'm not trying to hurt anybody, but if I get a hold of something and somebody explodes in the wrong direction, most of the time, I can let go in enough time. But like, an oma plata would be a good example. If you're deep in that and they go the wrong. Like it takes when people tap to an oma plata. I actually, I'm like, hold still. And I unwind really slowly because.

[B]

All tangled up.

[A]

Yeah. And for people who don't know what that is, it's a very, very powerful shoulder lock. And I don't want to hurt them. If somebody were to explode in that position, there is a chance that they could take it to an injury before I could let go. Just given the way that the bodies are entangled. But Leah's brief is literally like at any point in time, if you're in pain and don't understand from what, just tap. Like we'll talk about it. Guess what, black belts, that applies to you too. If you're rolling with somebody who doesn't know what they're doing and they do some crazy shit and grab a hold of the milker grip, if you will, your index finger and your pinky finger, which isn't real, but I love doing it to people and I tell them I'm doing the milker grip. But if somebody does that and starts bending your finger backwards, what are you gonna do? Let your finger break? Yeah, it's like scream at the person or just say tap. Be like, bro, yeah, don't do single digit manipulation. We don't do that. And they'll say, oh dude, I didn't

[B]

know, I didn't know. Exactly.

[A]

And if they know better, they can do better.

[B]

Yeah. So yeah, I've had that actually. Exact scenario.

[A]

The milker.

[B]

Well, I've got the milker, but no, from white belts who are grabb fingers.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

And I, I'll wait till the end of the roll and I'll say, hey man, just so you know.

[A]

So don't do that. Why would you wait till the end of the roll?

[B]

Because they're not submitting me or anything. I just pull my hand out.

[A]

But true, but let like that's a good teaching moment right there. And again, I'm not a coach, so anybody out there is a coach. I would say address as it comes up. Yeah. They are at a phase in their journey where it is all learning. Right. So I wouldn't even let them get away with that for a second. Not that they're trying to get away with anything. Yeah, I would let them know in the moment. And it, it can be. And I stop them like, hey man, just so you know, make sure you get more than one finger. And honestly you need to have at least four.

[B]

Need to have the four. Yeah. And that's why I tell them and

[A]

they always say, oh, okay, but just do it in the moment. Exactly, yeah, do it in the moment. Don't wait until the end because sometimes you might forget because honestly half the times by the end of the roll I have already forgotten about what happens. That's actually true.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you said, I forget pretty much what happened in the whole roll. Ten seconds after the roll.

[A]

Yeah. Because you're just.

[B]

I mean, because you're not even thinking

[A]

about you and I have rolled thousands of times. I could not tell you the outcome of a single one. Like, actually, I know I did the Assassin to you a bunch of times for like a week, which is not the real name of it. And I just really like doing it, honestly.

[B]

I think it's called the Ninja Choke, but Assassinus is better.

[A]

I think it's called the Kanto Choke.

[B]

Oh, maybe, maybe so. There's so many names for these.

[A]

Yeah. And one of them is the Assassinus.

[B]

Yeah, it is.

[A]

And it's not real. And you knew I was gonna do it and I was laughing so hard anyway that it's like. And even then I'm like, I don't know how we got there, nor do I care, because we know it's just total.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, wait, which one are you talking about? The one where you grab the collar and. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's not.

[B]

I've done that before.

[A]

It's kind of. Once you know it's coming, it's a very easy way to defend it. Yeah. But yeah, it's. Other than remembering that that happened, I. It's like, dude, I could care less how our roles go.

[B]

Yeah, no, me. Yeah, me too. It's just like, it doesn't matter. It's open that we're just having fun and that's it.

[A]

That's. Don't be this guy. Like, that's. That's on the black belt.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Okay, let me try and find another fun one.

[A]

What did Chewy say about that video? I have to assume he said the same thing.

[B]

I actually didn't watch the full video of Unbelievable.

[A]

Just stealing his content without even listening to his.

[B]

Well, to be fair, I found this video before I found Chewy's reaction to.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know Nick incredibly well, but he's a very high level black belt and he's got his head on his shoulders. I think he'd probably say similar.

[B]

I would imagine. Yeah. Would have a very similar response. Yeah, yeah. This. Maybe you've seen this, maybe you haven't, but it. This is a pretty insane. From unsolved mysteries to unexplained phenomena, from comedy goal to relationship fails.

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[B]

So as you can tell from the

[A]

title, I'm in command edition I have seen this. Yeah, but

[B]

I'm filming.

[A]

I already filmed it. I saw it. Did that. That's really hard to tell based on the video. Did he actually. You know what I mean. It almost looked like a Steven Seagal recoil where he pulled the rifle back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm assuming what you're. I think I saw a couple of these videos. It gets stuck on safe. It seems like the bolt is forward with the charging level levered. It's why it wouldn't go on safe. I don't know. It would imagine to me there's something going on there with the firing pin either moving forward or it's unseated.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Back it up a little bit. Did he pull on it or tug on it to get it to go off? It just seems like there's a little bit.

[B]

He slapped it to get it to go off.

[A]

Yeah. Just play it again. All right, so it's stuck on fire. Bolt is forward.

[B]

Oh, maybe pulled on it a little bit.

[A]

Yeah, he pulled on the charging lever. Keep going and see what happens. Eject the brass, dude.

[B]

So are you skeptical of this video?

[A]

I'm not skeptical, but I would like to see him eject a spent casing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because honestly, I don't know if you've seen the most recent Steven Seagal sniper movie.

[B]

You know, I haven't, actually.

[A]

So go on YouTube this. Because this is worth pointing out. This is not what real recoil looks like. Go. Steven Seagal Desert sniper shooting scene. And it's truly amazing.

[B]

Code of honor, maybe. Okay.

[A]

I'm not gonna say I'm incredibly up to speed on that.

[B]

On your Stephen.

[A]

Ferocious pieces of.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When his current. Direct to DVD movies.

[B]

Yeah, they really are direct to dvd.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Let's see. This is a montage. I'm, like, going to do that one.

[A]

No, montages are good.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That's what I want to see the shooting, just so you can see how wildly inaccurate it is. First off, can I see it, too?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Not even. Not even being kind. Yeah. Skip to the shooting. Oh, the cocaine powder all over his face.

[B]

Oh, it's embarrassing. It didn't show us Steven shooting, though.

[A]

It will, though.

[B]

Oh, there's no recoil at all.

[A]

None.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

No recoil.

[B]

On any of the guns.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

These must be special guys.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Just shoot the water tower because that's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right. I've seen enough.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You notice how he brings the weapon all the way back to bring the charging handle back?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That seems you can actually just totally stay on the rifle with the magnification out a Little bit and stay right on target so when you get the next round in, you're ready to shoot.

[B]

Isn't that kind of the point of a bolt action is so you don't have to.

[A]

I mean, there's very.

[B]

Adjust everything.

[A]

There's a lot of points to bolt action. Right. They're traditionally going to be with a tighter tolerance, and it can be a lot more accurate that way. But I'm just saying, if you have the ability to look through your optics and stay on target and select your next target, just go ahead and get that spent casing out. Fake recoil. No recoil whatsoever. His other one is a daytime. And he's just. You can see him. He's like just doing it himself.

[B]

That's so funny.

[A]

So that. That video is a tough one to tell. I have. Guns are just. I mean, they're machine parts that are put together, and sometimes the sears will, which is a mechanical. Again, I'm not a gun engineer, but the sear is a portion of the trigger mechanism that's going to prevent the firing pin from coming forward. Or in a semi to fully automatic setting, it will prevent the. The bolt from either cycling one time or multiple times. Mechanical parts fail. And, you know, not all guns are manufactured probably to the tolerance that people would want them to be. It should never happen like that. But the gun not being able to go on safe is an indication that something in there is definitely a miss.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Smacking down on the charging handle. My suspicion would be whatever tension that put on allowed the firing pin to go forward, which fired the casing. I would have liked to see the casing come out, but we'll just assume that it did come out. Yeah, it's a problem. It's not great.

[B]

Don't some guns if you don't have a round chambered and it's not. I don't know what I'm trying to say, but it's. It won't go on safe.

[A]

Okay. So hold on. A round is not chambered.

[B]

Yes. And you haven't charged it. It won't go.

[A]

So the bolt is to the rear. It won't go on safe. I am not. I mean, as far as a U.S. weapon.

[B]

Yeah. Or is there always the option to put any. Something on safe, no matter what?

[A]

I mean, as far as like a carbine platform, you can manipulate the safety whether the bolt is to the rear or forward. Pistols are a little bit weird because if you lock the slide to the rear, you may not actually be able to move the safety because it's not. It Might actually be just a physical. Yeah. Just a mechanical piece of metal that you're putting up. So that may not be able to work. I am not aware of that.

[B]

I don't know what I'm thinking of then.

[A]

I don't know what you are thinking of either, which checks out for you.

[B]

No, that's. Yeah, that's very common.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Speaking of guns, and this is a really sad story, actually.

[A]

Awesome. Thank you.

[B]

Yeah. You're welcome. Have you heard of the Texas father who was arguing with his daughter about Trump and shot her?

[A]

No.

[B]

So the thing. Basically the whole thing is they were arguing about Trump.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He went to show her his new gun in his room, and according to him, as I lifted the gun to show her, I suddenly heard a loud bang. I did not understand what had happened. Lucy immediately fell.

[A]

What kind of gun?

[B]

I believe it was a pistol. Glock 9 millimeter. And so how old was she? Not old. Like, I think early 20s. Okay. She was live. She didn't live with her parents. So I'm saying I'm thinking early 20s,

[A]

chest with a Glock 19. Didn't know what happened. I can tell you what happened. Yeah. You fired around and hit your daughter. Now, did you mean to do that?

[B]

That.

[A]

That can be left up to a court to adjudicate, but very few firearms, if any almost statistically anomalous, are just gonna go off.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Also, one of the main firearm principles, treat all weapons as if they are loaded. Do not point at something that you do not intend to destroy or kill, depending on the vernacular that you feel comfortable with. Why was the working end of the weapon at any time pointed at your daughter?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Also, why would a political argument of any kind terminate in you wanting to show your daughter a weapon? Like, what's going on here?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did it say that he was intoxicated or they just smelled alcohol?

[B]

From. From what I remember, he had been sober, but he relapsed. I might be thinking of a different story, though.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

He had issues with alcohol in the past and said he briefly relapsed on the day of his daughter's death. Yes. Because he was emotional about her leaving.

[A]

Okay. So again, we can. I'm sure they did a blood draw.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh. CCT footage shows he had bought two 500ml cartons of Chardonnay from a 7 11, which. I don't know if you know this 711 Chardonnay. No, it's not 711 Chardonnay, but you should know that 711 is basically one of the finest Purveyors of wine on earth.

[B]

Well, of course, yes.

[A]

They have cellar system. Incredibly good stuff. This comes in a cardboard box which really. It's much like the oak that wine often.

[B]

Yeah. The cardboard is made from the oak that the.

[A]

It was recycled shavings, is my understanding. Yes. Yeah. Those are going to be about 4.99. You know what's dangerous about the cartons of Chardonnay? You can't tell how much you're drinking.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, obviously you could fill up a cup, but as with a glass bottle of wine, you could have a little bit of judgment of yourself because you could say, oh, I am actually kind of a pos Right now. I'm. It's noon and I'm one and a quarter way through these two bottles of Chardonnay, not cartons of Chardonnay. Now all this is. Is horrible. He said he bought the gun a couple years ago before because he wanted a sense of security for his family. As I lifted the gun to show her, I suddenly heard a loud bang. I did not understand what had happened. Lucy immediately fell. Yeah. You saw your daughter in the chest.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Glocks are really straightforward platforms. They have a very, very robust history of being in civilian hands and military hands and law enforcement hands. And I am not aware, with Glock having a historical issue. Did you say it was a Glock 19?

[B]

Yes, I believe so.

[A]

Which is probably one of their more popular models of Glock. I think they're up to like Gen 5 or Gen 6 of that particular model at this point. That particular brand of pistol doesn't go off by itself. Is it possible that it. Certainly that it did. Of course, I'll leave a fractional of a percentage of that. But this is why basic firearm principles exist, because let's say it were to go off by itself. If you are following the golden rules of firearm handling.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It's still going to go off in your house, which is going to be an emotional event for sure. But it should not take anybody's life, which is what firearms are designed to do.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Like. I mean, like you were saying, that was one of my first thoughts when I saw this is. So let's just give him the absolute benefit of doubt. The gun did accidentally go off. He had no intention of doing it. If he had been falling just two of the four rules, nothing would have happened. The worst that would have happened is you had a hole in your wall, hopefully floor. Yeah.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But he's. He broke what? Beware or don't point at anything. You don't want to kill.

[A]

Hold the Constitution. While you talk about firearm safety, Michael. Oh.

[B]

Oh, you mean this? Yes.

[A]

Talk to me about your safety protocol for the Constitution, which you keep over. Are. Is there people above us?

[B]

No, not currently.

[A]

Good. Yeah. If there were people up there working on the roof, how would you change?

[B]

I would go here.

[A]

Nice. And it's just not nearly as menacing.

[B]

No. Not near. Yeah. See, this looks stupid. I have to hold it this way. But normally it's actually pointed, actually to the door coming in, so that. That's kind of an issue.

[A]

Kind of an issue, or is it an issue?

[B]

I mean, it's an issue.

[A]

Let's be honest. It's not an issue because that's not a real gun.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anybody.

[B]

A replica. It would be an issue. And even then.

[A]

But you know what? The thing is, even with Airsoft and honestly, with Nerf, I used to get on my kids and be like, do not sweep your brothers.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Do not point that at me. You know what I mean? It. You know, Airsoft, like, it. Actually, even in a play setting, it is a perfect opportunity to constantly reinforce proper firearms handling procedures.

[B]

Yep. My dad would do the same. I remember when I was. We were kids, I had accidentally shot my brother in the eye with a nerve gun.

[A]

And it's been known to happen.

[B]

I. I had shot it.

[A]

Let's talk about the usage of the word accidentally there.

[B]

Yeah. Well, this is where I'm getting with this story.

[A]

Which brother?

[B]

I think it was John.

[A]

So my Toothless.

[B]

No one above. Between me and Toothless. The wedding.

[A]

The one you didn't pay attention to. His best man duties.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay, good.

[B]

Yes. I had accidentally shot him in the eye with a Nerf gun. And my excuse was, when I pulled the trigger, John walked in front.

[A]

Strong.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He timed it perfectly.

[B]

Yeah. Yes. And I tried to explain that my dad.

[A]

Yeah. How'd that go?

[B]

He said, it doesn't matter. You have the gun. You should always know where you're pointing it. You should always know that it's loaded. You should. And, you know, he ran through the rules, and I was like, no, dad, you don't understand.

[A]

No, but I do.

[B]

And he was like, no, this isn't like, there's no excuse for this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so, yeah, ever since then, I was like, huh, okay. Yeah, I should probably. I mean, even before then, we'd always grown up around guns, and he taught us all the rules and stuff, but. Yeah, I just. I just don't understand how this could happen.

[A]

The alcohol probably pay. Played a significant portion in that. Why though you would introduce a fire, like, you know what I mean? Like, it doesn't make any sense. And having an unsecured firearm in the house, people will say like, you know, I need to have access to it at all times. Like, okay, what do you do when you're taking a shower? Do you have a shower holster that you use? Do you suction cup it to the wall? I mean, like, there are just times in your life where you're going to accept a little bit more risk, even though the chance of somebody breaking into your house is so astronomically low. And I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to defend yourself or be prepared to do so, but positive controller, it's put away into a safe.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, I mean, leaving a gun out because it makes you feel safer. Yeah. I don't think this guy feels any safer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Also, don't drink and handle firearms.

[B]

Yeah. That's a horrible combination.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I. Bad idea.

[A]

Indeed.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's a horrible story.

[B]

So I actually. This next story, I saw this randomly just now when I was searching up more stuff to pull up. So there's this player for the Ireland rugby team.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

He just had his first game on Saturday and after that he was getting lots of racist comments online, which is horrible. Yep. However, the Irish team is gathering a bunch of them and going to send it to the authorities to prosecute people for racist comments online.

[A]

Yeah. Do they fall into the European eu?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Or what's going on with them as far as Internet people being?

[B]

I have heard that Ireland is one of the countries that is investigating and possibly even prosecuting people for.

[A]

You have heard?

[B]

Yes, But I'm going to look it up.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I did a little bit of research into this because I keep hearing Joe talking about 12, 000 people got arrested last year for social media posts, which it turns out is correct. Which is about 36 people per day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But the conviction rate is microscopic.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So. And again, I don't know. I don't know what that does to somebody if they're arrested for that, but they're not convicted. I don't know if that goes away, but it basically is saying it doesn't rise to the standard, which they do have a standard in Europe and apparently it's pretty high. It's around threats, harassment and intimidation. And again, I'm paraphrasing slightly an article that I read a couple days ago, not claiming to be an expert on this. Good luck with that. You know, trying to police speech yeah. Even horrible speech. Like, it's like, what are we doing? It's 2026. You want to make racist. The guy's black. For those of you who are.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Audio only. It's like, just be better. Like, is that. I worry, like, what is somebody who's going to take the time to make that type of comment. God, what is their life look like?

[B]

Yeah. What are they doing? They're sitting in their mom's basement.

[A]

They're sucking at life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is what they're doing.

[B]

They really are.

[A]

And it's not an excuse for their behavior. Because honestly, if that's who you are, like, be better than that. Strive to be better than the basement dweller who's making a comment like that, knowing that it's hurtful and hateful, with probably your only intent is sharing some of the hurt and hate that you feel in your life. Like, be better.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which nobody is going to do that. I mean, that's what I would wish for the world. But it's not. It's a pipe dream probably at this point in time. But if you had. If you gave me the choice of, okay, we're gonna either regulate that speech or we're gonna let it be free. I'm falling on the let it be free every single time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because who gets to decide what's hateful? Hurtful harassment. And I'm sure that there are legal definitions and people way smarter than me that can write those things. And I would leave it to that, but, man, it's. I see parallels, not to speech like this, but just. I'll go back to the example we were talking about with the plaques in the White House. Yeah. That are really interesting descriptions that I think are deviating from objective reality in the truth and very colorful language. It's setting a precedent. And then at some point in time, somebody on the other side of the aisle is going to come in there and then they are going to set another president. It's going to go back and forth and back and forth. So what happens as things change? And who gets to decide what is legal speech? Who in compelled speech or illegal? You know what I mean? It gets real. It gets real iffy. I would rather have people with hurt feelings than regulated speech.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I think, like, you're saying, don't say that online. Like, that's just stupid. Don't do that.

[A]

Don't say it in general.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Just be a good person.

[A]

But it's a good bumper sticker, Michael.

[B]

Yeah. Be a good person. Yeah. But you should not be arrested for something you say online, especially if it's not a threat. If it's a threat, that's a little bit different.

[A]

If you say, hey, I'm going to come to your house at this date and time and I'm going to kill you. And then they were able to investigate and figure out you were trying to rally other people to do so, that is a different story.

[B]

That's kind of an issue. Yeah, but if you say, oh, I hate black people online, it's like, dude, don't say that. But it's not a threat. That's just. You have the freedom to be an idiot, and you're being a total idiot.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Be better.

[B]

Be better.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

We're really just crushing these topics today.

[B]

We really are. Yeah. This came out like a couple months ago, but the SEAL team mission in North Korea.

[A]

Didn't we already talk about this?

[B]

I don't think me and you. Did you.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I don't know either, but they shot

[A]

a fisherman or something like that. Killed a fisherman.

[B]

I think they shot a few civilians trying to install a listening device.

[A]

Yeah. And so I have absolutely no connection or insight into real world operations at all. No. They were at Red Squadron. Okay. So it's a development group. David Phillips. Okay. So I cannot speak with any level of authority as to whether or not this mission. Slash, not even really a raid. Looks like they were trying to emplace a sensor, which seems a little bit odd to use that particular command because I'll just say that there are people who specialize in this type of thing, but whatever. If that did happen, it sounds like. Scroll down a little bit. They went from a sub to maybe an SDV and then. Keep going, keep coming, keep going. What? I want to see what ended up happening here. Small boat, 14ft long. Yep. Keep going. Estimates have been two and three a number. Okay. So yeah, they had an encounter with what seems to be fishermen. Two or three fishermen. Military operations are inherently dangerous. I mean, I've never been to North Korea. Don't ever want to go to North Korea. I've never tried to do a submersible operation in North Korea to implant a sensor. I can understand why we would potentially want to have a sensor there. I am certain in the planning process there was a brief talking about potential actions on if they were to encounter somebody like this and depending on the outcome of the actions taken, things that would happen there, whether the mission would continue. Or they would call an audible and be extracted, which I think is what they ended up doing because they were exposed, essentially. Not all military operations go as planned in briefs, man. Sometimes it's a. Sometimes it's. You got to put them in the. The L column instead of the W column. And it's an unfortunate intersection of what sounds to be like those fishermen with the people there who probably didn't have any ability in the limited amount of time they had to make that decision to determine whether or not they were a fisherman or not. It's going to be all based off of threat, you know, hostile act, hostile intent, and your inherent right to self defense, even though you're inside of the boundaries of a southern nation. And that's how it goes, man. It's a dangerous job.

[B]

Yeah. Also, have you ever like, how often in overseas would you actually use your pistol in a real world scenario?

[A]

Where did you get this question?

[B]

I just thought about it. I was like. Because I don't know, what do you

[A]

want the answer to be daily? I feel like you want the answer to be something.

[B]

No, no. I'm genuinely just curious.

[A]

Zero. Never.

[B]

Really? Yeah.

[A]

I don't think you were in the room yet when I had the interview with Earl Plumlee. He's an example of an army guy who ended up using his pistol and I think throwing grenades back at fighters that they had thrown at him. There was a man named Mike Day who got shot, I believe it was 27 times. And when he came to, he didn't have access to his primary, so he shot some people with his pistol. Other than those that Mike Day is the only person that I am aware of inside of the SEAL community. Earl was a Green Beret. I think he's out now. Was a green. His story was amazing though. So I have an episode with him. It's. It's worth a listen.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're like, I'm sorry, you did what? You ran where you were playing patty cakes with grenades.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Get some. Maybe the Green Berets community or other special operations communities have examples of that. I. The only one I know of is Mike Day. And so that's one out of tens of thousands of operations. Not all of which I am aware of, by the way, but I'm just saying that story is pretty well known throughout the community.

[B]

So it's kind of like a last resort thing.

[A]

Like what is your secondary weapon system?

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

So you practice all the time with it, you know, primary to secondary drills. You know, the Mr. Bill drill where it's like rifle shot, sling, pistol shot, holster. Bring it back up. Primary rifle shot, pistol rifle. A ton of practice for a baseball game. You never get to play.

[B]

Right. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So.

[B]

And probably don't want to.

[A]

I mean, I'm an okay pistol shot.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

50 to. I mean, I would. I don't think I would shoot it. Well, maybe to get their head down, I would shoot at somebody at 100 yards with a pistol, but I'm not going to accurately hit anybody there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So, yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Sometimes it's just better to run away.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know.

[B]

Yeah. I was just genuinely curious on that one.

[A]

I know you have general levels of curiosity about many things.

[B]

Yes. That is actually very true. Yeah.

[A]

Do you own a pistol?

[B]

I do own a pistol.

[A]

What do you do with it?

[B]

I go out and shoot it every once in a while.

[A]

Where do you go?

[B]

There's a range.

[A]

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[B]

Indoor range up on the way to Whitefish. Kind of the one by the dump you know what I'm talking about? It's behind the dump.

[A]

There's an indoor range there.

[B]

Yeah, it's underground. Rifle and pistol.

[A]

Yeah, by the dump. I know there's an outdoor range facility that I go to with Austin.

[B]

There's the one that has the trap house.

[A]

I don't know what that means.

[B]

Shooting house.

[A]

Maybe I don't go shoot skeet, so I'm not aware of that. Yeah, no, they have a underground rifle range.

[B]

Yeah, it only goes out to 100

[A]

yards, but that's an impressive underground, right?

[B]

Yeah, it's pretty nice.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's blanking on the name right now.

[A]

What do you do with your pistol when you're not using it?

[B]

Store it.

[A]

Where?

[B]

In a little. I have this like lock this big. It's not like pelican, but it's similar to a pelican case that it locks.

[A]

How many locks? Two TSA locks.

[B]

I don't know. It's. It's on the. The case itself. Okay. The keys are with me at all times.

[A]

Okay. If you were to lose the key, what's your course of action?

[B]

Break into the safe or the.

[A]

The.

[B]

To the.

[A]

Don't we have stopbox sponsors or sponsored the show? All you have is the pistol?

[B]

No, I have a couple. I have two rifles and like three pistols, I think.

[A]

What do you do through rifles?

[B]

They're in. They're also in the. It's. It's a pretty big box.

[A]

So you're just a walking armory?

[B]

Basically, yeah. Yeah.

[A]

How do you prevent somebody from just walking off with your armory?

[B]

Well, it's currently not my house. It's at my parents house, which is now.

[A]

I know where it's at. Good job. Didn't ask you. The street address of where your armory currently is located.

[B]

Nobody knows where that is, so.

[A]

Yeah, they'll find out.

[B]

Yeah, I guess. I mean, there really is. No, but I. It's not that I can't afford a safe, but I don't want to spend the money on a safe. All right.

[A]

Life is about the choices we make.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Cool. Michael. Walking armory. Shelton in the house.

[B]

You're dying.

[A]

Your aunt was incorrect. You have the Junta virus, which I believe you got from.

[B]

I've got something.

[A]

Mice fecal matter, probably dusty. Mice fecal matter in Montana?

[B]

Yeah, that's probably what happened. I was working with mice recently. So were you. No.

[A]

Scientific experiments.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Tough secret.

[A]

What else you got for today?

[B]

Let's see. Oh, helicopter crash in Wasatch County. This was like four weeks ago.

[A]

Let's take a Look.

[B]

Yes, I have the video here.

[A]

That's a unfavorable screen grab. Oh. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Have you seen this one?

[D]

Creek Campground. Eventually they moved back a bit and saw this. Oh, one of the helicopters spinning out and crashing.

[A]

Yeah. That's a good. Anybody.

[B]

Horrible cameraman.

[A]

I'm okay with it. You know, not everything has to

[D]

on the helicopter. And Blazer says they all walked away

[A]

from the crowd, which is crazy movie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The spinning like that is going to be an indication of loss of tail rotor effectiveness. I. How can I speak about this broadly? I don't want to get anybody in trouble. There are things you can put on the back of the skids called bear paws. I have them on the.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Heli. They're plastic. Let's like, hold up a little.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not that they are this size, but they could be something like this. The skid goes down the middle. It diffuses the. It increases the surface area. Surface area. Right. And if you land on snow, imagine the difference in, let's say again, the thin. Thinness of the foam, which is not how thin a rotor or a skid is. Heavy pieces of equipment. Because this person landed, by the way. You land in the snow, and especially snow that has not been compacted.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And you have a lot of weight going into a very small surface area. The skids can sink down into the snow. Not that bear paws are going to make it impossible to do so, but they provide a larger footprint and platform. I'm not an expert at identifying Bell helicopters. I know that is a Bell helicopter, and I get a little bit lost if it's like a 406, a 206, a 207, whatever it is, the tail rotor on that particular helicopter does not sit incredibly high up in the air. A lot of the weight can be rearward sometimes. So you can imagine if they were to sit down and have a little bit of a tail low attitude. It is my understanding that very likely what happened is after they landed, as they were taking off, if the nose came up first, you could have had a small portion of the tail rotor strike the snow.

[B]

Oh, gotcha.

[A]

And they are moving at an incredible rate of speed. And there is a, you know, gearbox mechanisms for the tail. All of that can get out of sync. And the only thing stopping a helicopter from rotating like that is the counterforce that is coming from the tail rotor. So.

[B]

So it's likely that the rotors. The tail rotor struck and disabled it somehow.

[A]

It seems to be, from what I have heard from people who are aware of what very likely happened. I'm sure there'll be an NTSP report, so I'm not trying to jump ahead of that by any stretch, but it seems like what likely happened is there was contact with the tail rotor, likely with the snow, which you might think, oh, it's just snow. How much damage could that do? Well, if it's compacted snow, it could do quite a bit. And again, those tail rotors are spinning. It's not like it's steel. A lot of them are just composite, you know, and it doesn't take a whole lot. You're going to be out of balance. Those things are. If you look at the tail rotor or even the main rotor blade, they're tracked and balanced. So to make them, you know, harmoniously be able to spin without rattling the thing across, I. I mean, I've never been in a situation like that. LTE loss of tail rotor effectiveness, really, your only option is to. To slow the spin, you reduce power, because the more you pull power, the more that's the. The counter. You're going to spin in the other direction, the centrifugal force, because you have no counterbalance. So if you rip on the power, you're going to spin faster.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And go up. If you reduce the power, you probably spend slower, but you're going to go down. And they went down over trees.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I. I think they are incredibly lucky that they survived.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's gnarly.

[D]

He says one woman seemed like she might have been in shock and was getting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You think so?

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow.

[D]

Seemed to be mostly okay. And one person had a gash on his head. He was presumably the one Wasach county sheriff says was transported to the hospital for a head injury.

[A]

You think?

[B]

Yeah. Jeez.

[D]

Blazer's son started running towards the wreck, but Blazer stopped him because he was afraid what his son might have found at the crash site.

[A]

That's fair.

[D]

Amazingly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Go back to see if you can see the footage of it again. Yeah.

[D]

Eventually they move back a bit and solve this.

[A]

Yeah. That's a tail rotor issue.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. That sucks. I'm not. I fly helicopters. I'm not claiming to be an expert by any stretch. I'm not aware of many ways you can get into that type of rotation without it being a tail rotor.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You want to see a gnarly one?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Go to, basically, Airwolf. Airwolf helicopter at Newport beach and you'll see another example of what happens when the tail rotor stops working. And this one, you can visibly see a piece of the tail rotor linkage essentially eject from its current duty station. You haven't seen this one?

[B]

I don't think so. Wait, what would you. What beach did you say it was?

[A]

I think Newport Beach. It was in California. Airwolf helicopter may not be. This is also a Bell helicopter. Which or no is it a Bell? I don't know.

[B]

Bell 222?

[A]

Sure. We call it a triple two. It's not a big deal.

[B]

Oh, sorry. Excuse me.

[A]

I don't know if that's the case. I just made that up in the moment.

[B]

Oh, here we go.

[A]

Yeah. Pull that bad boy up.

[B]

I think this is it.

[A]

Maybe we can just keep people from ever getting into a helicopter again after today. Yeah. Here we go.

[B]

Okay, hold on, let me.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know if you need audio. Just hit play, actually. There you go. So tail rotor.

[B]

Oh, man.

[A]

And what are your choices? Right? He's got to put it down. Oh, my God.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And that is what happens and how quickly it can happen. And on this one, they found it like a piece of the linkage of the tail rotor. I believe they found it on the sidewalk or a street can.

[B]

Is there. Are we able to see the exact moment, like, where.

[A]

I don't think falls off. Yeah. Hit play again. No, cuz you know how it even looks like it's going slowly, but it's not. That's just the painted tail.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I change. Oh, you do? Actually, you could see it.

[B]

Yeah. You could see it fly off.

[A]

You see it fly off and at that point, man, you have no directional control.

[B]

Oh, that's scary.

[A]

Because if you think about it, you have an engine that is spinning, and I don't know if this one is a clockwise or counterclockwise, but you're just spinning up there. Without that counter pressure and force, you're just. It's going to go in the other direction. So his only option is to dump your collective and put it on the ground.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think in that situation, he might have actually been as horrible as this is to say, he might have had a better crash landing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which are not words that are actually probably put together often because he hit the trees and slowed his descent as opposed to just pancaking on the ground.

[B]

Yeah. So. But he did, like, technically the right thing in that scenario.

[A]

He did basically the only thing he can do, which is reduce power and get it on the ground.

[B]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[A]

Indeed.

[B]

Do they know what caused that?

[A]

I believe, again, I'm not part of the ntsb, nor do I speak for the ntsb. I believe one of the linkage points that goes to the tail rotor that was part of the. The gearbox and drive that spins the tail rotor itself separated and then you can basically see the tail rotor itself depart the aircraft in flight at one point.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that doesn't happen unless there's a cascading failure somewhere else.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Do you have anything positive for today? What else do you have?

[B]

Not.

[A]

That's fine. Sometimes Fridays are just supposed to be a downer.

[B]

Yeah, the. Have you heard of the Whiz dating app for kids?

[A]

No. What are we Talking? Kids? Kids.

[B]

13 year old. Yeah. Teenagers basically.

[A]

Oh, no. Wiz, often referred to as Tinder for teens, is a social discovery app designed for teenagers and young adults, officially ages 13 plus to meet new people via a swipe based interface. Oh my God. What are we loading up our children to think of? You sound horrible.

[B]

Yeah, we're good.

[A]

Are we good?

[B]

I am now.

[A]

Did you just swallow that?

[B]

I had to.

[A]

I've heard you say that before, but I mean, what are we conditioning people? God. At such an early age. Marketed as a tool for making friends. Go make friends in the real world. Unless. And of course you live in a place like you live on an island by yourself. Maybe this would help you interface with the rest of the world. But how many people actually live in that situation? I mean, come on.

[B]

And it's like, how could the. How stupid are the designers to be? Like, no, this will not be taken over by predators.

[A]

Why do you assume that they are stupid and don't completely know of that risk and just discount it to make money?

[B]

That's true, actually.

[A]

Yeah. There's no, there's. I'm sorry, man. There. Every adult dating app, even my dad's been catfished. Let's leave it at that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anybody who is on those apps, I have horror. You have horror stories of online dating. So any adult understands that the apps are imperfect, they can be manipulated. Things can be presented that they aren't. What anybody. I'm going to assume it wasn't a 13 year old that made this app.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or had this idea. So if adult is making that, they understand what the current ecosystem is for adults and they're basically recreating that for kids. There is no plausible world where they're like, you know, because it's kids, it's going to be better. No, I just don't think. I think it's some dollar figure. People just don't care.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Which is beyond. I don't know, I mean, somebody wants to offer me a billion dollars for me to question my morals. I am willing to accept this scientific research test. However, I get to keep the billion dollars.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It will depend on what you ask me to do. But I hate to tell you, I don't think I would change my answer based off the money. It's like I just want enough money to be able to say no to things and do what I want to with my time.

[B]

Yeah, no, that's a very good. Yeah, it's a good mantra. Yeah. I mean I guess it's not surprising giving everything that's coming out with all these billionaires.

[A]

But what is coming out with all these billionaires?

[B]

Oh, just the Epstein stuff.

[A]

And how, what do you make of all that? So I was just doing a Change Agents episode with a guy named Nick Bryant who got a hold of Epstein's little black book in like 2008 and published it. He's a reporter. I've had a few conversations with him about it and we were just talking about the release of the, you know, 3.5 million and apparently Pam Bondi said there's another 3 million but it's not going to be released, which is a violation of the, the law that was just passed. I don't know how they're able to do that. Remember though, the dow is at 50,000.

[B]

Well, that's so. I mean. And nothing else matters.

[A]

Can you believe that?

[B]

What?

[A]

I don't. And this is what I was asking him. What's going on? Like you know, the three and a half million documents, that's a tremendous amount. And she went from saying the documents are on my desk and doing like this little tick tock release of these people with three ring binders who released almost nothing that was new to cash. Patel saying that there is nothing of note whatsoever that criminal charges could be brought from to now 3.5 million documents being released plus another, let's just call it multiple million documents plus that they're saying now that they're not going to. I am at a loss as to what is going on at this point.

[B]

I don't, I don't understand. I mean how like I already was not trustful of the government. How could I ever trust the government again with anything?

[A]

But what does that look like for you in your day to day life? Like what are you going to do differently? What other choices will you make?

[B]

I can't really do. I mean what can I do? Like I can't not pay taxes. I can't. Like that's the thing that's. I think that's what, what so many people are frustrated about is what can you do about this?

[A]

Yeah. Nick's solution, what he's trying to get done is essentially an independent review outside of members of Congress. Non governmental, individual or incremental or independent. That's the word I was looking for. And I forget the other two words associated with it, but it was something that could force prosecutions. Because there's some stuff in there that doesn't make any sense. Right. There's some very coded language. There's also some very benign in there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's like there's so much. And also a lot of those things are investigative files where people can make claims of absolutely anything that they want to. And it doesn't mean that they're verified. That can't be lost either.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like, are they releasing them in such a bolus in the hopes that people don't use search tools to be able to find the right stuff? Is it just the easiest way for them to get from A to B? Why are certain things like. I have no idea what's going on, but I could not be less impressed with Cash Patel and Pam Bondi.

[B]

I mean, I just think they're horrible people.

[A]

I think it's either their IQs are more fitting for a thermostat, which I don't think is the case, or they are being told from the absolute top that this is your playbook and this is what you can say and nothing outside of this. And the reason that they are sounding like buffoons is that they are limited by what they can say. So they're bouncing off these walls of parameters they have to act inside of or their heads are going to get lopped off. Metaphorically, which is.

[B]

I mean, I guess I've never been in such a high pressure situation, but how could you.

[A]

Is it that high pressure?

[B]

I don't know. I mean, I would assume that you have a lot of pressure from the top, but how could you sacrifice your personal values and morals to protect people that are fucking pedophiles and horrible people?

[A]

Like, how prevalent do you think that is in our government?

[B]

I don't know. I mean, it's. It's hard to tell.

[A]

Here's my worry. I. I am hearing very popular, very influential people starting to say things like, our entire government is composed and comprised of pedophiles. That's not likely.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think it's every single.

[A]

Well, there has to be some structure for us to rebuild Upon. I can't get to a place where I believe that every member of elected member of our government institutions is either eating people, trafficking in children, pedophilia. Are there some people who probably have some very, very kinky and illegal and just absolutely disgusting desires? Sure. Are we benefited at all by saying that it's all of them? I don't think so. Because people are getting into a place where they have absolutely no faith and trust in anything. And I don't know where you go from there.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know either. But I mean, with all of this, how can you have faith and trust in any of this?

[A]

Okay, so then where do we go?

[B]

That's. I mean, that's the thing is. I don't know. I. Because it seems to me that a lot of the power structures that are controlling our daily lives. Not controlling, but are above us. Have a lot of inner connection.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There's stuff with all this and it's like. That is. That's everything we interact with in our daily lives. The very top of that is all connected with Epstein and pedophilia and sex trafficking. And it's like. Like it just. It feels horrible to even live in that world where everything you do indirectly contributes to that.

[A]

I mean, I don't think you are directly or indirectly contributing to pedophilia, Michael.

[B]

I should pay taxes to. I understand people.

[A]

We can draw the breadcrumbs there. But I think the vast majority of all human beings on earth that it's actually one of the few issues that seems to align both the left and the right. Like the abuse of children. The problem is absolutely nobody's being held accountable for it.

[B]

Well, yeah, and that's. I think the first step.

[A]

That's the first step is. And honestly, do I think our entire government structure needs to be burned to the ground? No. But should we open this thing up to the sunlight to the degree where maybe the vast majority of people get to wear a different type of uniform in their prison cell or. And I don't. It's. You know, one of the points that Nick brought up is there's a lot of different ways you can corrupt people. Right. It doesn't have to all be child sex stuff. It could. You know, he was using an example of, you know, people in power who are closetedly gay and whatever. They're using escort services or maybe even it's legal where they're doing it, but it is their Persona that they don't want to have brought into the forefront. So they're compromised in another Way.

[B]

Way.

[A]

Or money or influence or whatever it is. So, yeah, I want all of those people exposed, and I want sunlight to be the best antiseptic for this. I don't think that it would ruin our government if we were to extricate this level of corruption. Would it be a massive hiccup? Absolutely. But I do think that there are people who are in our government who are there for exactly the right reasons. And if we were to open this thing up, I think that they would be illuminated even more. So I think we could rebuild. I just get really worried about very influential people saying, like, the whole thing's just gotta go. They also offer no solutions, by the way. Trust nobody. Everything involved in the government is this. Everybody is complicit in this. The whole thing has to go. I have no solutions or explanations or even an ability to recommend what should come after that. I don't know where we go from there.

[B]

I don't know. I don't know either. But, yeah, I mean, there are obviously people trying to work for good. I mean, Thomas Massey and Ro Khanna are having two of, like, the most vocal. Hey, we need to do something about this. We're trying to look into it, all this stuff. So there are people that are trying to do good, but it's just super disheartening.

[A]

We have to see something actually happen.

[B]

Yeah. And nothing is happening.

[A]

I can't. I don't know Pam Bondi at all. I actually don't even know that much about her. But I do know the DAO is at 50,000. Yeah. Which is a statement that I don't believe she wanted to say, had any inclination to say. And I also think she had no choice but to say that when pressed. I think she was told that when pressed, you better start talking about the economy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is galactically stupid, by the way.

[B]

Yes, very.

[A]

But the picture of her where the people who were interviewing her, they're in the hearing asking the questions, asked for the victims of Epstein to stand up behind her and raise her hands and she would not look at them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like, okay, see, to me, at

[B]

that point, you're just complicit in. In covering up horrible crimes. And I don't care what the people above you are saying, you are complicit in covering this up.

[A]

That's because you're a moral person, Michael.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Here's a. Here's the reality, though. You and I have never been in that situation. Who knows the leverage that they may have? You know what I mean? It's easy to sit here from the outside. And I would like to believe that both my morals and yours would survive that. But also those morals may prevent us from ever getting in that seat in the first place.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah. I could actually see that.

[A]

But I also can't say that I've ever had somebody try to pressure me that way. I would. And I would never get there because I would fall back to one of my favorite lines, which is just take a step back and go fuck your own face long before I ever got to that position.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I think I'm not going to tow the party line to try to get that job. I don't want it.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. That would probably disqualify you from.

[A]

Oh, yeah. They're not looking for that person.

[B]

No. They're looking for somebody who.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Says it does exactly what they want.

[A]

I could not be less impressed with Bondi Patel. Kristi Noem. I am shocked.

[B]

The whole administration, I am not impressed with.

[A]

Well, and again, I. From a policy perspective, I agree with a lot of the policies. Their tactical execution is absolutely an utter dog.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So what else? How long we've been going?

[B]

105.

[A]

Let's just leave people with that super high note. We talked about our future, how the sun is rising on America. It's gonna be.

[B]

We're doomed. It's so over.

[A]

I think they want people to feel like they're doomed and that they can't do anything. And I don't have the solution to what it is that you can do. But burying your head in the sand I don't think is a part of it. There's probably a few thousand people in government, I think, pulling the strings between elected officials and career bureaucrats. There's 300 plus million adults in the u. S. There's got to be a way.

[B]

There's. Yeah, there's something. Something needs to happen.

[A]

It's on your generation, Michael.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We know how it goes.

[B]

For us to figure out which is scary. Scary thought.

[A]

It truly is cool. All right.

[B]

All right.

[C]

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