Negligent Discharge Friday - 4/25/25

Summary

Cleared Hot Podcast Episode Summary Episode: Negligent Discharge Friday - 4/25/25
Release Date: April 25, 2025
Host: Andy Stumpf
Guest: Michael

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Introduction

In the April 25, 2025 episode of Cleared Hot, host Andy Stumpf engages in a dynamic Q&A session with his longtime friend and co-host, Michael. The episode delves into a variety of topics ranging from personal anecdotes about social media mishaps to deep discussions on career shifts and national security issues.

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Instagram Mishaps: The Case of Andy's Dad

[00:00 - 09:34]

Andy kicks off the episode by sharing a humorous yet chaotic incident involving his father's unexpected Instagram account. The confusion began when Andy reposted a story intended to direct followers to his father's profile. However, due to a technical glitch orchestrated by his sister, the link erroneously pointed to his father's new and unpopulated Instagram account.

Notable Quotes:

• Andy (02:38): “Campaign cleared hot. Tell me when we're ready.”
• Andy (04:24): “So I find out my sister is the culprit behind this...”
• Michael (06:23): “Very powerful.”

The episode highlights the unintended consequences of social media mishaps, especially when technology doesn't cooperate as expected. Andy humorously describes his father's minimal online presence and the resulting surge in follower interest, painting a vivid picture of his father's persona with lines like:

• Andy (06:38): “...wearing only a robe.”
• Michael (09:04): “Nobody wants it.”

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Navigating Career Choices and Work-Life Balance

[13:26 - 39:16]

The conversation shifts to a poignant question submitted by a listener named Tyler, who is grappling with a significant career decision. Tyler is torn between doubling down on his janitorial business, which has provided financial stability, and pursuing his long-held aspiration to become a police officer—a role he believes can make a meaningful impact.

Listener's Question: "Do you think I should be doubling down on the janitorial business and tough it out for now to hopefully secure our financial future? Or should I take the risk of putting my energy toward a new career as a police officer and failing?"
— Tyler (16:59)

Andy’s Response: Andy offers a balanced perspective, encouraging Tyler to consider expanding his business by hiring and training others, thereby creating financial security while simultaneously preparing for a career in law enforcement. He emphasizes that life often presents non-binary choices and advocates for exploring multiple avenues rather than seeing decisions as mutually exclusive.

Notable Quotes:

• Andy (38:00): “Life is not binary like that. Find options.”
• Michael (22:20): “...I have no real passion for being a janitor, but the money is good...”
• Andy (39:16): “Double down on the janitorial business by investing in the business, by replacing yourself, and then go down the pipeline of being a cop.”

The dialogue further explores generational differences in career expectations. Michael shares insights from his generation, discussing the shift away from traditional 9-to-5 jobs towards more flexible, self-directed careers. They debate the merits and challenges of working for oneself versus for others, stressing the importance of financial stability while pursuing personal passions.

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Special Operations and the War on Drugs

[54:03 - 62:36]

Transitioning from personal to national issues, Andy poses a complex question about the effectiveness of deploying special operations soldiers to combat cartels along the U.S. border. The discussion delves into the feasibility of such operations in slowing drug trafficking and mitigating sex trafficking, as well as the potential for saving victims.

Andy’s Question: "Do you think using our special operations soldiers on the cartels and working around the border is a net positive? And do you think they will slow the amount of drugs coming across the border and the sex trafficking coming into this country? And will they be able to intervene and potentially save the victims?"
— Andy (54:24)

Michael’s Insights: Michael parallels this strategy to the "war on terror," suggesting that without a defined, concrete enemy, the effectiveness of special operations diminishes. They discuss the complexities of international collaboration, the challenges in targeting cartel leadership embedded in legitimate sectors, and the broader socio-economic factors that fuel cartel activities.

Notable Quotes:

• Michael (57:08): “I think you could argue yes, because... it's directly affecting a lot of American citizens.”
• Andy (61:09): “Special operations is a tool in a tool belt. Don't forget the other tools too.”

The conversation underscores the necessity of a multifaceted approach, integrating intelligence, economic sanctions, and international cooperation alongside tactical military interventions to effectively combat cartel operations.

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Personal Adventures: BASE Jumping and Professional Training

[39:21 - 69:58]

Andy and Michael shift gears to discuss their personal adventures, including BASE jumping and training exercises. Andy recounts a memorable experience where he coached the U.S. Olympic water polo team through a rigorous training session, emphasizing leadership and resilience.

Notable Quotes:

• Andy (66:53): “I crushed them with simple things like head counts.”
• • Michael (65:16):* “It's a great video. Everybody should go watch it.”
• Andy (68:52): “Imagine the shits he takes.”

They humorously debate the logistics and emotional challenges of extreme sports like BASE jumping, reflecting on the fine line between passion and peril. Michael expresses apprehension towards heights, leading to a playful exchange about their readiness to undertake such daring feats.

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Current Events: Militia Movements and Gun Control in Virginia

[70:02 - 73:02]

Towards the end of the episode, Andy and Michael touch upon recent militia activities in Virginia opposing new gun control measures. They dissect the motivations behind these movements, the societal implications of armed protests, and the effectiveness of legislation like banning firearms in establishments serving alcohol.

Notable Quotes:

• Andy (72:22): “We have to address all of those other things first.”
• Michael (73:01): “Yeah, I think that's actually a good idea in my opinion.”

The discussion highlights the tension between gun rights advocacy and public safety, especially concerning alcohol consumption environments, reflecting broader national debates on gun control and responsible firearm usage.

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Conclusion

In this multifaceted episode, Cleared Hot offers listeners a blend of personal stories, career advice, and thoughtful commentary on national security issues. Andy and Michael's candid exchanges, peppered with humor and insightful reflections, provide a relatable and engaging narrative for those navigating similar life challenges or interested in the complexities of societal issues.

Closing Notes:

• Advertisements Skipped: The episode includes brief ad reads for Peak and Bubs Naturals, which have been omitted from this summary.
• Final Moments: The hosts wrap up with lighthearted banter about past training exercises and potential future adventures, showcasing the camaraderie and dynamic chemistry that defines Cleared Hot.

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Highlighted Quotes with Timestamps

• Andy (02:38): “Campaign cleared hot. Tell me when we're ready.”
• Andy (06:38): “...wearing only a robe.”
• Michael (16:59): Listener's question about career decisions.
• Andy (38:00): “Life is not binary like that. Find options.”
• Michael (57:08): “I think you could argue yes, because... it's directly affecting a lot of American citizens.”
• Andy (61:09): “Special operations is a tool in a tool belt. Don't forget the other tools too.”
• Andy (66:53): “I crushed them with simple things like head counts.”
• Michael (73:01): “Yeah, I think that's actually a good idea in my opinion.”

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Note: This summary excludes non-content sections such as advertisements, intros, and outros to focus solely on the main discussions and insights shared by Andy and Michael.

Transcript

[Andy Stumpf]

Good morning, everybody. Friday, we made it through another week. What would be better than Q and A heading into the weekend? How about Q and A with Michael as well? I don't even remember how we structure it because we, Michael and I had argued about it. Am I asking him questions? Do we do the questions together? Is it negligent discharge? Is it full auto? So here's what we did. I asked him a question that I got submitted, he asked me a question, we bounced back and forth a little bit and. And that's pretty much how we did it. So that's what today's episode is going to be. I guess it's just fallout. A Friday with Michael and Andy before we get into it. Stay with me, let me pay the bills. Today's episode is brought to you by Peak. If you know anything about me, you know that I've been a coffee fan for quite some time. Tea is not actually my jam and it wasn't my jam until I got introduced to Peak. Now specifically, I'm talking about their pu erh tea bundles. They're black and green tea teas. This stuff is awesome and I'm going to jump ahead a little bit. There's an offer for the listeners and when you go to the website, which I'll talk about at the end, you're not only going to get the opportunity to buy their really cool teas, this is the packets that they come in, or sachets as they call them. But you're going to get a beaker and a frother as well. And the last ad read I did, I actually made tea on air. Super easy, super convenient. It's not your grandmother and grandfather's tea. This is tea for 2025. Going into 2026, these Puair bundles are targeting three things. Gut health, longevity and convenience. I already talked about the convenience right here with the sachets. On the gut health side, the teas are naturally fermented for living probiotics and prebiotics to balance your microbiome and for longevity. Packed with antioxidants that fight oxidative stress and support cellular regeneration. For radiant skin and vitality, they can help you with a microbiome reset. It's going to help you balance your gut flora for better digestion and smoother metabolism, energy, moods. It can even help with your immune system. It's got polyphenols to bolster your body's resilience. The sourcing quality is without question. They're wild. Harvested from 250 year old tea trees for unmatched Purity and nutrient density. And the teas are made using a cold extraction technology, which retains maximum phytonutrients. For those of you who want to give it a try, which I highly recommend. For a limited time, you can get 20% off on the Puair bundle, plus a free starter kit, which is going to be the beaker and frother that I was talking about. Head over to peaklife.com cleared hot. That is Peak P I Q U W E life.com cleared hot to get this exclusive offer back to the show. Okay, I got the red smoke.

[Michael]

West of the smoke. Okay, copy west of the smoke.

[Andy Stumpf]

I'm looking at danger close now. Come on with it, baby. Give it to me.

[Michael]

I mean it cleared hot.

[Andy Stumpf]

Campaign cleared hot. Tell me when we're ready.

[Michael]

Yeah, we're going in.

[Andy Stumpf]

Okay, good. What was your question again, sir?

[Michael]

Guys, in reference to all this Instagram stuff, I asked if this was really bothering you.

[Andy Stumpf]

You realize my dad with an Instagram account is almost the same as the Russians putting a monkey into space, right? I don't even know if there's a technical difference between those two things.

[Michael]

As far as, like, technical technological leaps go, it's about the same.

[Andy Stumpf]

So I'm sitting on the couch last night with the Wien, of course, because he's my couch buddy. Getting into the new. It's not even new. I like to wait till there's a good four to six seasons of a show before I really commit. And I don't know why. We found the Jack Ryan Amazon one, so I'm in season two, episode five. It's not a big deal. The ween's there. He's doesn't really care about the show, if I'm being honest. He just likes passing out on the couch. Yeah, you know this because you're the wean watcher and I get a text from you. Yeah, I'll read the exact text. I might as well. Dude, Vaughn is live on Instagram right now. My response was what was several exclamation points. Or he was. It's not working now. That's what you said. Because I furiously got onto Instagram because I wasn't following him, to be honest. Yeah, because I thought it was going to be a joke. Yeah, because to review, he doesn't know how Instagram ended up on his phone.

[Michael]

It magically got there.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. Or how it signed up by his exact name. Or how it followed Stumpf Andy. Which is not my account.

[Michael]

No, not your account.

[Andy Stumpf]

So I find out my sister is the culprit behind this Because I had reposted yesterday. A story of somebody telling people to follow my dad. And my level of technical savvy is not always great. When I reposted the story, it was directing people towards this person's account, not my dad's.

[Michael]

Oh, I see. Okay. Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

But his account name, which is just Vaughn Stumpf. Normal spelling. V, A, U, G, H, N, Stumpf. So people still found it. I think he had about four or five hundred followers. My sister convinces my dad that before. Go ahead and pull up his profile if you want. Guess what? It has nothing. It has zero posts. Very. David actually has zero followers. Or he's following 11 people. I was going to say following nobody, because that's very David Goggins. He is following 11 people. One of them. It's most of my family. And the wrong son.

[Michael]

The wrong.

[Andy Stumpf]

And no profile picture of any kind. 0 posts. And my sister somehow decided that the first thing he needed to do was an Instagram live.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

He didn't even turn the tv. I thought that you were prepared to do our show today.

[Michael]

I suck.

[Andy Stumpf]

Well, you said it, not me. Many others say it too. I just.

[Michael]

Yeah, I don't let them do it. Also, for the first, like, five seconds, my mic was turned all the way down for some reason, so.

[Andy Stumpf]

Nice.

[Michael]

There's going to be a little.

[Andy Stumpf]

You don't have your head. You don't have your headset on.

[Michael]

Okay, we already covered the headset there.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. Get into your fucking telemarketer booth over there.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

So, yeah, people may wonder what my dad's account looks like. And it looks like this.

[Michael]

This is it.

[Andy Stumpf]

It's whatever that little shitty silhouette is. Zero posts, 3,198 current followers. And he's following 11 people.

[Michael]

Very powerful.

[Andy Stumpf]

So I get that text. My first thought was, mother of God, that he did this accidentally. And now it's gonna be on for hours and he's gonna be walking around fucking naked, which just looks like a fucking hairball. We're talking 1930s fucking power bush everywhere. Do you know what Chia Pet is?

[Michael]

Yes.

[Andy Stumpf]

Okay. Just imagine that. But my dad is. I mean, he's just a hairy person.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

He was shaving in middle school. He got sent home from middle school for.

[Michael]

I could see that, actually. His beard is.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Magnificent.

[Andy Stumpf]

Riley's is the same boat. I swear that guy has a 5:00 shadow by 3:00pm yeah. Either way, he's on Instagram. Love. I didn't see it. So I'm like, you know what? I'm Just gonna warn the world. So I made the Instagram video with the ween who. He did his part. He's just loving, just affectionate and just licking my face. And yeah, now he's got over 3,000 followers and he's gonna. This is what you people ask for. This is what you wanted. You. You were enthusiastic about it to him as well. And I. You people don't understand.

[Michael]

I thought it would be a fun little project for him.

[Andy Stumpf]

Leah's all about it too. I told her last night. She's just like. She's like, fuck, yeah. She doesn't say that, but she was just like, oh, hell yeah, I'm here for it.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Give it time.

[Michael]

Okay?

[Andy Stumpf]

Give it time. Because my sister and I were discussing this yesterday. He generally carries his cell phone around in his front pocket. His cell phone has a normal code like all of ours do. His ability to butt dial people from his front pocket is tremendous, unmatched. So what I think he does is unlocks it and then before he closes out the screen, he puts it back in. Leah got a two minute call from him talking last night. She, oh, I missed a call from your dad. Oh, I have a two minute voicemail. And I looked at her, I said, before she even listened to it. I was like, he butt dialed you? Yeah, it was two minutes of him watching the news at his house. Wait for it, and talking back to the news as if they were just in a discussion. So my dad's awesome commentary to. And if you think that's not going to happen somehow.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

On Instagram.

[Michael]

That's. I can't wait till that happens. Personally.

[Andy Stumpf]

None of you know what you are. He doesn't. He'll answer the door and sit there with guests at his house wearing only a robe.

[Michael]

I have not had that experience.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah, you're lucky. So you're lucky. And he doesn't really track what the robe is covering.

[Michael]

Oh.

[Andy Stumpf]

He. I think he told this story on the podcast when we were living in Santa Cruz. He walked out to get the newspaper. He routinely, for months would go out naked and finally encountered women on a morning walk. And he's just out there naked. This is. This is what people are going to see.

[Michael]

Oh, my God.

[Andy Stumpf]

Nobody wants it.

[Michael]

Before long, he actually may get his account taken down.

[Andy Stumpf]

I don't know. He's coming over for dinner tonight. By the time this episode comes out, I hope that we have a profile picture we don't need to post.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

We don't need to rush it.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Because as my sister and I just Discussed. And you heard he doesn't know how to use the camera app on his phone.

[Michael]

No. That doesn't really surprise me.

[Andy Stumpf]

So I don't know what he has in his photos app, if anything. Probably stuff from icloud. We're going to really. We're going to back off the velocity. We're going to slow down the lives, maybe show him how to make a picture, post, write a caption. I can't even wait to describe what a hashtag is.

[Michael]

That's. I don't think he'll.

[Andy Stumpf]

And maybe he'll be able to respond to direct messages that people send him.

[Michael]

He's probably got a pretty full inbox.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Yeah. Well, yeah, I think that's.

[Andy Stumpf]

I'm glad you all are enthusiastic about this.

[Michael]

I'm enthusiastic.

[Andy Stumpf]

That's great. That's great. Anybody who signs up for it, that's on you. I'm not gonna be held responsible for what happens. I've known this man longer than all of you. He's wildly entertaining. For 30 to 90 minutes on the podcast, I have to deal with his day round beyond that. So you know where he's probably at right now.

[Michael]

Black Rifle.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Having Connor, who is a manager that I pay to manage the store. She's probably now his social media manager.

[Michael]

Probably. He's probably downstairs at this moment.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. Do you know I've specifically told him not to go down.

[Michael]

Oh, yeah, I know. He goes down there anyways.

[Andy Stumpf]

I know, I know. This is what I'm saying. This is what I deal with.

[Michael]

He follows no rules.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. He parks in the post office, parking across the street, which is for delivery trucks.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

With all of his windows down, keys in the vehicle, dog in the back seat. Buster would be less likely. He would be more likely to pass a physics test than he would to actually bite somebody trying to steal the car.

[Michael]

Oh, yeah, Busters.

[Andy Stumpf]

I think Buster would just. If somebody randomly got in his truck and drove off, Buster would just be.

[Michael]

Like, where are we going?

[Andy Stumpf]

Do you have dinner set up for me tonight? As long as I have kibble. Like, let's roll, dude.

[Michael]

Yep.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. She sits there. I got an Instagram message Monday night from the woman who shared the seat next to him on the flight home.

[Michael]

Really?

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Interesting. Okay.

[Andy Stumpf]

She happened to be in the coffee shop doing a business meeting the next day. So it actually was a net positive. She's like, oh, I've heard about your podcast and your sister and this. That. I'm like. And all I just wrote back was, I'm sorry. I hope he didn't chat your ear off.

[Michael]

Which he probably did.

[Andy Stumpf]

Apparently he read the same woman reached out to my sister for hormonal stuff because my sister's kind of shifted into medical practice stuff she does from end of life to like, let's keep up alive longer.

[Michael]

Yeah, look at that. Making connections.

[Andy Stumpf]

All right, whatever. I feel like I've. I've put out the appropriate amount of warnings.

[Michael]

Yeah, I think so. You've warned. No one very thoroughly believes me. Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Your time is coming.

[Michael]

I still don't really believe you, but I am. I'm anxious to see what happens. What comes of this.

[Andy Stumpf]

What comes of this is the man that you and I both know because we spend time with him off the air and the things that he says and does are going to end up on Instagram.

[Michael]

Yeah, it's actually a really good point.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Yeah. I mean, the worst that can happen, his account gets suspended.

[Andy Stumpf]

No, no, no, no. The worst that could happen is his account blows up and more people see it, then it gets suspended.

[Michael]

Power hungry.

[Andy Stumpf]

All right, you ready?

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

We're doing a combo. We'll go question for question, so.

[Michael]

Sounds good.

[Andy Stumpf]

This one, I'll explain how it ties into how. I want to ask you this question. I'll answer it too. It's a little bit long. So here we go. I found myself at an odd stage in life. I recently turned 31. So eight years older than you and have come quite a long way from working simple factory labor positions spelled O U R so we know this person's either from Europe or north of the border to building a six year career in the crane inspection industry. And two years ago starting a small janitorial business with my wife and with a suggestion from my in laws, the business has changed our lives financially and has been great for paying off our debt and allowing us to relax in the realm of money. However, I've worked seven days a week for about a year and a half now and been transitioning between transitioning out of full time work to full time business owner. As we expand the business, my work life balance is completely ruined. My wife has another small business of her own that she does full time. So I handle most of the janitorial business myself. I work strange hours morning and evenings. I work weekends and week, work weekdays and weekends. And there is always something that needs to be done as it is running your own business. That is a true story. I've never had that one thing in life that I knew was my thing. The career choice I knew I would follow and as and was All I have ever wanted to do. I've just always done whatever jobs would pay me enough money and suit my lifestyle and capabilities. I have no real passion for being a janitor, but the money is good and allowed me to really change our lives. I have for a long time had a huge amount of respect for law enforcement and I thought I could make a good police officer if I put my mind to it. Good police officers have made a huge impact in my life and I love helping people. I work well under pressure and I truly believe I could make a difference in people's lives the way that those officers did for me. The older I get, that thought keeps growing and I worry about looking back on my life and regretting what I didn't do. Or at least. Or try to do at least. I know right now I would need to physically train as well as gather everything needed for the application and that process would probably take me a year at minimum to feel like I did. The responsible preparation I can see two futures for myself. One where I keep the janitorial business, maybe grow to a point of having enough employees that I can take a week off here and there and operate a business that I own that only financially fulfills me, or spend the next year or so training myself to be the best of my abilities to apply to be a new police officer at the age of 32 to 33 and try to build a new career for myself. So my question to you is this. Do you think I should be doubling down on the janitorial business and tough it out for now to hopefully secure our financial future? Or should I take the risk of putting my energy toward a new career as a police officer and failing? So I'm gonna save that question for last. My question to you is this because this is an interesting question that I get all the time and I'm curious your generation's thought on this. I realize I am an anomaly that I knew at an early age at least what I wanted my first job to be and I did that. That bit me in the ass a little bit when I came to the tail end of that job and realized I hadn't put any thought into the after your generation in your friend group, what do they think about like just work in general? The what's the value on career? Is there a value still placed on hey, find a thing and take it as far as you can do you hop around as much as possible like wealth and I'm just, you know what I mean? Like there's a variety of questions in that and even for yourself, because I heard you're getting ready to start a business, even though you try to hide these things for me. I know everything I told you about this. Is it the dog shit picking up?

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Which should be called Michael's Gentle Hands, by the way.

[Michael]

You can discuss names.

[Andy Stumpf]

You should call it. You poop, I scoop.

[Michael]

Yeah, that's pretty good.

[Andy Stumpf]

It's not bad. It's a banger.

[Michael]

Yeah, it's pretty good.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. Let me handle your shit. Is that, that's, that's. Why aren't you writing this down?

[Michael]

I, I, it's all up here.

[Andy Stumpf]

All right.

[Michael]

Yeah, I don't need to write it down.

[Andy Stumpf]

What are your thoughts? I mean, since I've known you, when I first met you, I think you were working it. You were. And you were doing something with aircraft.

[Michael]

I was an avionics technician.

[Andy Stumpf]

Okay. Then he worked at ups.

[Michael]

Yep.

[Andy Stumpf]

Then security guard. No big deal. I don't even know how long we've been working together for the podcast now, see.

[Michael]

Five years probably.

[Andy Stumpf]

So you bounced around a ton. But what do you think about long term when you think about career, business, starting your own business and then what do your friends talk about?

[Michael]

Well, for me personally, I don't really know exactly what I want to do at this point or if I even want to have a long term career as far as like an office job or whatever. Like a 9 to 5, you know.

[Andy Stumpf]

Do you want to work for somebody else or do you want to work for yourself?

[Michael]

I would like to work for myself because I've, I. Working for you is great. And that's just everybody else.

[Andy Stumpf]

He's contractually obligated to say.

[Michael]

Yeah. I have to say that. No. But you're one of the only people that I don't mind working for at all.

[Andy Stumpf]

But a lot of people complain that I'm too rough on you. And to those people, I say shut up.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

I say I'm forging you into the weapon that you don't even know.

[Michael]

To those people, I would say grow a pair.

[Andy Stumpf]

Right now you're like, you're as dangerous as a rubber band pulled halfway back.

[Michael]

Yeah. Or like a. Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Which I don't know if you could possibly be more dangerous than that because when I met you, you were like a jelly bean being kicked around on the floor. That's how dangerous you were. Which isn't dangerous at all. There's not even a trip hazard there. I suppose a choking hazard if you were to fall and accidentally inhale it through your nose.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

But we're like you're at the rubber band phase.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

We might be able to make you like a dull spoon.

[Michael]

Yeah. And like which people understand, coming from you, that's a huge compliment.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm at best a rusty fork. So, I mean, you're. We're still in the cutlery drawer.

[Michael]

We've yet to upgrade to the knife section.

[Andy Stumpf]

Well, what about. So one of the questions I hate. I don't hate this question. I think it's an unrealistic question. I got asked it a bunch when I was growing up and I wonder if your generation is still being asked. People will say to kids, what do you want to be when you grow up? And people, young kids say a firefighter or a police officer or an astronaut. And almost nobody does that because we'd have so many firefighters and police officers and astronauts. It's almost as if somebody at the age of, call it seven that you ask that question to has absolutely no clue what they want to do with their life. I'm 47. I don't know what they want to do with my life. Is there still an emphasis on people picking a specific career for your generation?

[Michael]

I don't think. I mean, I think not as big as there was probably in the generation or two before mine. I mean, when we were. When I was in grade school and high school, college was definitely pushed pretty hard.

[Andy Stumpf]

But just get a degree essentially.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah. But I was like, man, I can't really afford college. I don't want to go into like $50,000 of debt when I'm 18.

[Andy Stumpf]

That's if you're lucky.

[Michael]

If. Yeah, if you're lucky.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Which by the. I didn't know this at the time. Can't be defaulted on you.

[Andy Stumpf]

It's one of the most predatory. So I'm sure at this point in your life you've gotten loans for a vehicle or whatever. I don't know. You still.

[Michael]

No, I've never taken any loans besides credit cards.

[Andy Stumpf]

You have a credit card though?

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

So credit cards will look at what they're going to give you based off your debt to income ratio, your ability to repay. Do you have a job? Do you have a credit history as you, you know you're going to buy a house one day. All of this stuff. Student loan lending violates, at least in my own experience in life, every other lending policy that I've ever been a part of, whether it's borrowing money for a bank, from a bank, from a business, from an individual, any type of loan that you're going to get. It's like, well, I want to buy this five million dollar home. Cool. How much money do you make? $100,000 a year. Get fucked. You're not going to get that. Well, how come? Because you don't have any ability to repay. All right, I want to go to school, but it's going to cost me 150 grand. Here. Here you go. Money.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Under 50 grand and you know, and just make sure you make that minimum interest payment. So you're just holding it for decades into your life. If you declare bankruptcy, you can't get rid of it. And oh, by the way, we don't, you know, just get that hypothetical job. No need to show the ability to pay it back now. No, it's insane.

[Michael]

Yeah, it's kind of crazy actually. But that was definitely pushed in grade school and high school, but. And I did actually, I actually did go to the community college which I was able to pay out of pocket because it's community college. And so I didn't have any debt from that. But yeah, I really, I still don't really know what I want to do. And basically my mindset right now is make money to do the things I do want to do.

[Andy Stumpf]

Is that shared with your generation, like your friend group a lot?

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Do they see less? I mean, I look at my mom. She worked at, did a variety of things. She was doing work with land trusts towards the end of her life. But before that working at Seagate, you know, administrative type stuff. 9 to 5. Growing up there, it was super traditional. Even my dad's schedule, I mean, he did masonry construction, but you know, Monday through Friday, it seems like there is a different shift. People want to work remote. They want to kind of mold their hours around accomplishing the job. And that actually matters more than the time that they're putting into it.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

It's. It's a different. It's a paradigm shift for sure. I don't know which one is better or worse. I was just curious because this, I get this, this type of question all the time. What should I do? I'm doing this right now. I don't like it very much or it's not wildly fulfilling for me.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

And I have this other opportunity which I think might be amazing even though I have no experience in it. What should I do? The reality is sometimes you just have to have a job like beat minimum. You know, not everything is going to fill your cup. I don't, we just don't live in a world where everything is Going to be wildly fulfilling. Not everything that I do fills my cup, hate to tell you.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

You know, there's some things that I do that I don't enjoy very much, or at least in comparison to others. I mean, I love doing the podcast, but some days it seems a little bit more like a grind than others. Yeah, I love doing public speaking stuff. Some days it seems like a little bit more of a grind than others, especially with the travel or if it stacks up on top of that, it. Not everything is filling your cup. Some things are taking things out of your cup, but you still have to meet the basics for survival. You know, food, shelter, water, all of those things, especially if you have a family. So when people say that, like, oh, this job is, you know, it's. It's paying the bills, but I don't really like it. I mean, it's kind of like, welcome to the show.

[Michael]

Yeah. Yeah. And there's. There's been, like, I've had this conversation with a lot of my friends where it's like, why would I work 9 to 5, no breaks, minimal vacation, to save money for when I'm 60 and can't do anything.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Like, I would rather spend the money now and experience the things I want to experience now rather than wait until I'm like, hopefully I'm not decrepit at 60, right? You will be, probably.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Michael]

But I know I'm not decrepit now.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Michael]

So I want to do the things now.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. It's a tough one. It's. I. There's this balance between. I mean, money is your ticket to buy your time back, essentially, and. Or your freedom, depending on how you would want to describe it. Or what I should say, not your freedom, as if you're like in a cage, but buys you the ability to be free to do what you want to with your time. But it's hard to make. And so you look at it in an account and you think, I have to save this.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

And I. And honestly, I mean, I look at my dad, my mom would be. The best way to put this. Was way better with money than my dad.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

My dad had, many times in his life, has stored money in socks. And I'm not joking when I say that he would. God, it would piss my mom off. He would go, like, she would, you know, she was the back end of the business, you know, and so she did a lot of investing. And the, the money. A good portion of the money my dad has access to is from investments that my mom left behind to him. And my sister and I, and she had set up a trust and all this stuff, but he would go and quote jobs and give him like a discount if they paid cash and not tell my mom. And he's like, well, if it's cash, you know, it's just my money. It's just. Yeah, cash doesn't. It's. It's like what Julia says, oh, it's girl math, Dad. I paid in cash.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

And I always say, but no, I save money. I paid in cash. I said, you. You spent money, but it was cash, so it doesn't count. And she goes, yeah, now you're getting it, girl.

[Michael]

Well, yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't subtract from your account. So, yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

So the money my dad has, let's just say the structure that he has is. Is largely based on my mom. And I have these conversations with him, and it forces me to think about myself, my own financial situation. I'm not wealthy by any stretch or definition of the term unless. Well, I don't know. I'm at a point where I can say yes or no and do what I want to with my time. I can't stop working because I still need money. But a lot of the times I can say yes or no. And I look at my dad and I have these conversations with him, how much money do you want to die with? And it's easy for him to say, well, as much as possible. So I can pass it down to you and your sister. And I've told him, I don't want your money. Like, thank you for that. Obviously, it's an incredible gesture. I appreciate that. I would rather have you die with $0 in your bank account. And just the richest, like, whatever time he has left. Go. He is so funny. God, he'll step over dollars to pick up dimes sometimes. He's got a. He's got a. He's got plenty of money left behind, right?

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

And, oh, my parking at the airport was $16 a day.

[Michael]

Shut up. I think you can cover that. I think you.

[Andy Stumpf]

I don't want to eat out that $40 meal. I hope you're going to be okay.

[Michael]

Are you going to be able to.

[Andy Stumpf]

Pay your electrical bill this month or travel? He talks about the travel that he wants to do, and I have to have these conversations with him. It's like, dad, you have to do that now.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah, like you can just do it.

[Andy Stumpf]

Not only do you have that monetary means to do it, but your. I mean, age is real for all of us. Your Ability to move around is a little bit less. You're getting a little bit more tired. Stop talking about the travel you want to do and go do this travel. And, oh, by the way, buy a first class ticket.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Go to the lounge. Might as well go to the lounge.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Have some scotch on the rocks, which, trust me, he does.

[Michael]

Oh, I don't doubt it. Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

If you run into my dad at the airport, he'll likely be at the bar. He's getting ready to go on a golf tournament. Here's. Here's good. Do you know what my dad calls his golf tournament that has existed with his friends for four decades?

[Michael]

What?

[Andy Stumpf]

The foreskin. That's not made up.

[Michael]

That's so awesome.

[Andy Stumpf]

If you don't hit the ball past the ladies te, you play the hole with your dick out. Which is actually a standard rule in golf, even in the pros.

[Michael]

Really? Wow.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Michael]

They must not televise that they're pros.

[Andy Stumpf]

Of course, I've never seen a pro not hitting.

[Michael]

I mean, I haven't either, but if.

[Andy Stumpf]

You had, you'd see the highlight on espn. Turtle head over there. So he worked so hard. I mean, his hand, one of his hands, you can see it. I don't forget the. The tendon. But it's his ring finger. It's. It's from holding Block and brick. Oh, it is. That's what it's like that for. He fell one time and smashed it open on one of his hands.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

There is a surgery that he can get done, so he works so hard. It's. And that's why I was curious about your generation. I struggle with this one. How much is enough? And at what point do you say, I do have enough? And the experience that I would get from spending some of this is more valuable than looking at a number. I am not saying to people, spend all your money so you can't pay your mortgage.

[Michael]

That's a bad idea.

[Andy Stumpf]

Food, shelter, water, all that things. Meet the survival stuff. But I don't want to die with a large number in an account and experiences that I wish that I would have had. And that goes back to this. And it's a way long way to get around to this question. But when I was younger, I got asked the question all the time, what did I. What do I want to do? And I could answer it. And people are like, you're never going to be able to do that. And in my mind, I was like, you can go yourself, and you can go yourself, and you can go yourself. But now, as I Get out of the military, absolute hot mess of trying to figure things out. I still have bounced around. I'm still adding to the Rolodex, if you will, of things that I'm doing. And I've just stopped caring because I know it's. I'm. What I've determined is I have to only work for myself. That's my guiding principle. And I guess that's what goes back to what do you think you want to do? And your friends. Largely your friends.

[Michael]

Yeah. I mean, for me, like I said, I don't. I haven't found one thing. Well, Jiu Jitsu. I mean, that's the one thing that I really, really am passionate about.

[Andy Stumpf]

How come you're not very good at it?

[Michael]

Passion. Passion doesn't quite wait. His skill. Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

In your case.

[Michael]

Yeah, especially in my case.

[Andy Stumpf]

I'm joking. You're actually quite good at Jiu Jitsu. I can't. It pisses me off that you guys. Many people have found it at your age and I found it literally at 40.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

You guys can off.

[Michael]

Yeah, I found it at 19.

[Andy Stumpf]

I mean, good on you, man. Passionate. But I tell you what, in, in being around some gyms now, and obviously my wife is a coach at a gym. You, you're working for yourself. I think that's one you could really burn out on.

[Michael]

Yeah. Because you're not really doing Jiu Jitsu well.

[Andy Stumpf]

I think you could lose the passion for it and it can become a profession. And then I think everybody suffers if it gets to that point. Because you're kind of mailing it in.

[Michael]

Yeah. And so that's kind of what I. I've tossed that around in my head, but I'm not really sure. But again, like, I'm just not sure at this point.

[Andy Stumpf]

And so sometimes it's better to keep your passions at a non professional level.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Because as soon as you start relying on something, if you take, if you take that patch, I'm not telling you not to do it, but in my own life I've learned this lesson. There's the things that I really enjoy doing. I actually now guard against any way trying to turn them into a business, because then it becomes a business and you start. It's as if there's a siphon from one to the other from passion to stress, to worry, to concern, to structure to all of those things.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

So it could be, you could be just a hobby for you.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

And I actually think that's great advice for everybody. Make sure you have a hobby.

[Michael]

Oh, yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

That is outside of your professional world and keep those two separate. I'm telling you. Enjoy it more.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah. No, so I. I mean, I think in general, I'd like to work for myself and make enough money to where, first of all, I can make my own schedule, take a vacation. I want to be able to go where I want to, and that's pretty much the goal. And I'm still figuring out how to do that. So that's. That's where I'm at. And I think that's very. That's shared with a lot of my friends is like, much less in. In. It's. It's more selfish. Not in. In maybe a bad way. Where it's like, what do I want to do? And how can I.

[Andy Stumpf]

Is it selfish or just more individual centered versus career centered?

[Michael]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

I don't know if selfish is oftentimes that's only viewed as a negative, a pejorative term. Yeah.

[Michael]

And I think, yeah, sometimes you have to be selfish.

[Andy Stumpf]

Well, it's essential. And again, but it depends on how you're using that word, I think, because it's so often has that negative connotation. Yeah. You need to take care of yourself, too.

[Michael]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

So when are you going to start the you poop, we scoop business?

[Michael]

I've got everything set up. And so now I think the first step is just go and start knocking on doors and be like, hey, this is what I'm doing.

[Andy Stumpf]

You can practice with Javi.

[Michael]

I could practice with Javi. Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

To master your technique, are you gonna use your hands or a shovel?

[Michael]

Probably my hands.

[Andy Stumpf]

That checks out.

[Michael]

I'll wash them.

[Andy Stumpf]

Well, you put the hand inside of the bag.

[Michael]

No, I'm not. I'm not doing that. I'm using a little rake and a little bucket.

[Andy Stumpf]

Really? What about for the more liquid versions?

[Michael]

We'll figure it out. I'll have a shovel on hand for liquid. Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Really? Have you ever tried to shovel? I want you to go put soup on the ground and try to shovel it. Let me know how that works.

[Michael]

I still fig it out.

[Andy Stumpf]

Lobster bisque, if you will. Go put that in the grass and tell me how much of that you can pick up with a shovel.

[Michael]

You know what? Maybe I will. Maybe I'll. You'll see how easy it is.

[Andy Stumpf]

Hsi Javi hugs him real drywall. Yesterday on the soccer field, I. I always have the bags. And sometimes we're on a real journey with him. He's like, some real good ones and then some real. Just like. That's can be picked up with a shop vac. And he. Yeah, he put. He really just sprayed it everywhere. I'm like, we gonna have to do that because.

[Michael]

So awesome.

[Andy Stumpf]

It wasn't. It was. It was horrible. All right, so to answer this guy's question, this is the. So Tyler is talking to me about this one. He's really trying to sell you Peeping Toms, by the way. He wants to.

[Michael]

Oh, he wants me to have all of it.

[Andy Stumpf]

Well, it ties in line with this question because he's. He has built his business.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

He's coming back for this summer, and then I think he's going to move to Bozeman full time because they have a good line on an apartment and it. And just like this question, it's presented in a binary situation. Do I do janitorial or do I do the copyright? I feel like there should always be at least something in between. And so Tyler was saying, hey, you know, I want to build Peeping Toms, and I'm going to go. And he's already got a bunch of appointments and stuff on the books. He was talking about you were going to work with him. He gets real, real tight. Real tightwad about the monetary split between you and him.

[Michael]

Yeah, he really does.

[Andy Stumpf]

He thinks like, 90, 10 would. Him taking 90, you taking 10 would be appropriate.

[Michael]

No, no, no, that's not happening.

[Andy Stumpf]

Mind you, he would never accept those terms on the other side.

[Michael]

Exactly.

[Andy Stumpf]

But I told him, like, first off, you've already built a business here. He doesn't think he wants to come back or will be able to come back next summer. So he's thinking about building one in Bozeman. He's like, oh, so I gotta, you know, have to sell it. And then I always tell him, like, your life is yours to do whatever you want to do. But think about an option in between those two things. Do you have to sell it? Or could you slowly build a business like this, which is cash flow positive for him and almost no overhead.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

In every place that you land. And I asked him, he played rugby at msu. Like, how many of your friends do you think you could rally and teach to clean windows?

[Michael]

Oh, yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

And I said, and I keep telling them, if you're willing to accept less money and make it enticing for them where they're making a good amount of money, and now you have these passive income streams all through that same umbrella, dude, you have no idea how big it could be that you could grow.

[Michael]

That in the long run.

[Andy Stumpf]

In the long run. And that's the same thing I would say to this person too, for this guy who's doing it all himself. My first piece of advice is immediately hire somebody and train them how to do your job. If you want to go down the policing route, even if you don't want to immediately hire somebody and train them how to do your job, you have to at all times be teaching somebody how to do your job. Nobody is irreplaceable, I'm sorry to tell you that. And if you're a single point of failure, your business is totally screwed if something happens to you, if life hits you in the face and you have to do something. But this person, to answer this person's question or anybody thinking about doing this, it's life. You don't have to like, do a complete U turn and go drive in a different direction, leaving everything behind. There's a hundred percent a possibility where this person could build the janitorial business and actually probably even grow it by hiring the right person, managing it. Let that person manage other multiple teams underneath. And in the meantime, you're spending all your time when you're not working with that person, getting ready to be a police officer.

[Michael]

Right.

[Andy Stumpf]

And at the end of the day, you can end up being a cop and exploring that while having an awesome business on the side still making you money. Yes. And if the cop stuff doesn't work out, guess what? You're financially sound because you didn't. Shit, Kim. One to go do the other. I don't. Life is not binary like that. Find options. If these choices of, oh, I have to do this or this. Why do you have to do only those two things? What are the other options in between? I'm sure there are examples of where that is. That is the only two options that you have. But why? And if you're not in that position, explore the other ones. And I would also say at the age of 32 or 33, this person is. Or at your age, dude, take chances, man. Go down every avenue that you think would be interesting to you because you don't know where it's going to lead. And if, again, if you're smart economically and you already have this base like this guy does janitorially, and he can replace himself, still make money enough to have freedom, then you can go do whatever the hell you want to do.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

So that. That's my advice, you know, instead of worrying about the. What was the actual question? Do you think I should double down on the janitorial business and tough it out for now to hopefully secure our financial future. Or should I take the risk? Yes, to both. Double down on the janitorial business by investing in the business, by replacing yourself, and then go down the pipeline of being a cop. Let me know how it goes. That's what I would say.

[Michael]

Yeah, I think that's good advice.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. All right, your question, what do you got?

[Michael]

All right, let's rocket man. Yeah, we can do that one.

[Andy Stumpf]

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[Michael]

I just saw this video, I think on like Instagram. Oh, my God.

[Andy Stumpf]

That just is. We'll never see that video again.

[Michael]

No, it's gone. Whoa.

[Andy Stumpf]

What's Desktop 2? Go back up to that. We have such a poor understand. Okay. That's just where we're at. Find the video again.

[Michael]

Yeah, I'm looking. Oh, here it is.

[Andy Stumpf]

We have such a poor understanding of the electronics.

[Michael]

It's just so janky.

[Andy Stumpf]

Oh, yeah.

[Michael]

Okay. So apparently this is our.

[Andy Stumpf]

I can already tell this is over in Dubai or. Yeah, well, it's an Emirates aircraft and actually really tough to tell where it's at since it says Dubai on the carbon fiber wing. Yeah, Yeah. I think this is Vincent Fred. Aviation history was made when two experienced Jetman Dubai daredevils flew in formation with an Emirates Airbus A380 jumbo jet. That's pretty wild.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Two wing jetpack flyers flew around the world's largest passenger aircraft. Here we're looking at a human being that has a Kevlar wing strapped to their body with four engines and flying.

[Michael]

In close proximity to an aircraft that is absolutely enormous.

[Andy Stumpf]

It took three months to plan and coordinate the incredible project. And every step of the way, stunning videos were captured for Ex Dubai and Emirates Airlines. It's impressive.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

What are your thoughts?

[Michael]

I think it's cool.

[Andy Stumpf]

Would you do it? Well, I mean, let's ignore the fact that you don't have the requisite knowledge.

[Michael]

Skill or ability, but are we taking into consideration that. You told me one of the guys died.

[Andy Stumpf]

I was going to bring that up. I love, I love the fact like, I love that people are interested in doing stuff like this. I don't remember which one of the guys died. So originally, look up Jetman. I think it's who it was. It was a guy who was originally, I believe, sponsored by Breitling. He was the first guy. What? What'd you find?

[Michael]

Let's see. Yves Jetman Rossi.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yes.

[Michael]

Okay.

[Andy Stumpf]

This is the first. This may not be the first guy who ever has done this, but.

[Michael]

Oh, okay.

[Andy Stumpf]

Whoa. You're just really. What are you doing?

[Michael]

Really sucking today.

[Andy Stumpf]

Enhance, enhance, Enhance. Yeah, just scroll down to the description. Yep. Okay, so this is the. This is in 2014. There may have been somebody doing this beforehand. This is the first time I remember seeing something like this. So I believe he was also an aviator, I think, all the way up to, like an airline pilot. And he made this carbon fiber wing, and there are little jet engines on the side. I love the fact that human beings are so full send that they have an idea like this and they think no one's done it because I haven't encountered this idea yet. And now it's time because now I have it. There's a cost to this. So when I first saw this, he was, I think, going off of hot air balloons and helicopters. I think it's hard to get out of an aircraft just because of the size of the wing. Sure, you could do it on a ramp aircraft, but it'd be a really high exit speed. Anyway, it evolved over time. And I don't know if people know this, but there's a lot of money in Dubai, So. Yeah, they have the ability to fund a lot of things that brands, entities, and other organizations don't have the ability to do.

[Michael]

So.

[Andy Stumpf]

There'S another. If it's the two people, which I think it is.

[Michael]

Vince and Fred Vincent Refitt.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah, he is the one who died, I believe. Yes. There's another amazing video of them BASE jumping in Switzerland. They're both Red Bull athletes, or were they BASE jump in Switzerland and they fly into an aircraft in flight. So it's the same guys. I believe the name of the. Their skydiving team was the Soul Flyers. I'm so. I'm not incredibly familiar with it. So I'm sorry if I'm misspeaking here a little bit, but I'm pretty sure that that's it. Those two had jumped together for a. Yeah. For a long time. Their creativity and willing willingness to take risk, calculated risk, I would say is. Is unbelievable. So this is the same two guys. Yeah. Good. Play it if you want to. They had to try this one a few times as well, too. Yep. Short.

[Michael]

That's crazy.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yep. Short. Yeah. I mean, they'll be okay, probably. This is, I believe, off the Eiger in Switzerland, so you can put it on pause. These dudes were. These guys were explorers in every sense of the word. So they did that. It was an amazing stunt where they base jumped and flew into an aircraft in Switzerland, I believe. And they were Sponsored? I'm pretty sure, yeah. They were wearing red Bull wingsuits for that one. And then I believe they're both skydiving out of Dubai. They both got into the jet packs and what started off as only being flown from aircraft, they started messing around with launching from the ground. So standing there, turning the jets on and going from basically horizontal flight and then going to, I'm sorry, vertical flight to horizontal flight, there's a lot of risk. I mean, they're on the front leading edge of what anybody's ever done. And I won't get into the details because I'm not intimately familiar with them. There was an issue at a low enough altitude with Vince's system that he was not able to recover. So he impacted, I believe, without a parachute out and was instantly killed.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

So as much as I appreciate, like, the visuals with that thing flying along with the Emirates aircraft, I love that there are people out there who are willing to do that. I would 100% have done exactly the same thing. But you are, you know, at least at that altitude, you have a little bit of time, you can work some stuff out. You know, even in. Even in regular aviation, fixed wing and rotary wing, the higher you are, the more time you're going to have. That's not always the solution to the problem because, you know, if you're really high up in a helicopter and it starts on fire, you need to get to the ground as fast as possible and you actually might burn to pieces before you get to the ground. But there's this zone, low to the ground at low air speed in both rotary and fixed, where if something goes wrong, your options are pretty limited.

[Michael]

Kind of screwed.

[Andy Stumpf]

And these guys, I mean, you know, with that jetpack on, they have a parachute. Obviously they don't land the jetpack.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Even though they were messing around with landing. That's what I'm saying.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

You're getting into that shaded area on the performance chart where if something goes wrong, it's probably going to bite you. And when it bites you, it's not going to be like a little nibble. Yeah, it's going to be all of it. And that's what ended up happening. So there's a cost to being that far out there.

[Michael]

Yeah, those.

[Andy Stumpf]

You know, I did not know Vince. Never met Vince. I would suspect that he was aware of that cost and it just was who he was.

[Michael]

Right. Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

But, yeah, you extrapolate that timeline out long enough, it can get pretty wild.

[Michael]

Yeah. When was the last time you base jumped?

[Andy Stumpf]

Hmm. When Was the last time I BASE jumped. Was that when I went out to Notch Peak? It's been a long time. I don't know if I'll ever BASE jump again. I still have all my gear. I might go down to the bridge and just link up with my buddy Miles, who taught me and just hawk it off the bridge a few times. Not that that's necessarily any safer, you know, It's. You're still 486ft from where you spit to where you hit.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Skydive. I mean, skydiving is a different ball game kind of. Because again, altitude time. Two parachutes. It's been years.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah, it's been years. I just. I got a lot out of BASE jumping that had nothing to do with BASE jumping. And I have found other things that provide me the same mental escape.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

At a far, far lower risk.

[Michael]

Yeah. So that's fair.

[Andy Stumpf]

You want to go BASE jump? I can set this up. We need to. We need to do a video series of just Michael's adventures. This is right down to Twin Falls. My buddy Miles, he hook you up.

[Michael]

Yeah. I don't know if I had the proper training, but I feel like it takes a couple years to get that.

[Andy Stumpf]

No. This jump course is a week long.

[Michael]

Really?

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Michael]

You jump the first day, you jump after that.

[Andy Stumpf]

You jump the first day by yourself? Yeah. Dude.

[Michael]

That's kind of crazy, actually.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah, man. We'll get you set up. You go into the water.

[Michael]

Okay. Yeah. Do you have a parachute or not? Or just a suit?

[Andy Stumpf]

Yes, Michael, you have a parachute.

[Michael]

Oh.

[Andy Stumpf]

What suit are you talking about?

[Michael]

That's what BASE jumping is, Right? With a wingsuit?

[Andy Stumpf]

No. BASE jumping is just off a bridge antenna span or earth. The wingsuit. BASE jumping is adding a wingsuit into the BASE jumping environment. Okay, let's take it easy there.

[Michael]

Well, that's why I was so confused.

[Andy Stumpf]

Clearly you're confused. I'm saying we get you down to the Perrine Bridge in Twin Falls. We have Miles put you through an unreasonably short first jump course. Well, do a pca, which is a pilot shoot assist. So we'll handle all the technical stuff. You just have to find it inside of you to let go of the railing and jump forward.

[Michael]

I'm afraid of heights, so that actually would.

[Andy Stumpf]

Me too.

[Michael]

Probably be pretty difficult.

[Andy Stumpf]

Trust me. I'll be sweet talking you on the edge too.

[Michael]

Perfect. Thank you.

[Andy Stumpf]

Commentary is going to be all about, are you sure you have what it takes? Do you know enough to do this safely? Do you want to die today?

[Michael]

How long before I can pull the. The.

[Andy Stumpf]

We are taking care of that for you. On the first on the bridge. You have about four and a half seconds. It's 486ft from the top of the railing.

[Michael]

Okay.

[Andy Stumpf]

To the ground. PCA pilot shoot assist. Meaning somebody's holding on to that. So as you jump, it will pull your parachute off your back for you.

[Michael]

Oh, that's nice.

[Andy Stumpf]

You are just responsible for letting go and pushing.

[Michael]

Okay. I mean, I. Physically, it's very easy to do that. The mental part is what's going to give me.

[Andy Stumpf]

I'll coach you through it.

[Michael]

Great. Thank you.

[Andy Stumpf]

A lot of positive reinforcement.

[Michael]

Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure.

[Andy Stumpf]

We need to do a video series.

[Michael]

Michael risks his life for content.

[Andy Stumpf]

We could call that. That episode. We have to get into the simulator and watch you just kill Everybody on a 787.

[Michael]

That would be so fun. I cannot wait to do that.

[Andy Stumpf]

We'll figure that out. What else do we need to add, though? I'll take you for a tandem. Yeah. We gotta have you. We need to have you jump off the paran bridge. What else would scare the out of you? You've already flown in the helicopter. You were fine with that.

[Michael]

Yeah. That wasn't that bad.

[Andy Stumpf]

No, it's not that bad.

[Michael]

It's pretty. It's. It's like a airplane, except cooler.

[Andy Stumpf]

Okay. All right. Fixed wing. Guys might be a little pissed at you for that, but whatever. All right, man. I think a video of you shaking like a dog. A razor blade. Just the. I mean, here's the thing. Like, the first jump you're on, you're standing on. You climb over the rail and you just. You have your heels there.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

And you're just holding. Facing outward.

[Michael]

Okay.

[Andy Stumpf]

You still gotta climb over the rail of a bridge. Let me just tell you what your body doesn't think is a great idea.

[Michael]

Climbing over that rail.

[Andy Stumpf]

And so when you climb over first, your. Your stomach is facing the road. You have to, like. You have to turn around.

[Michael]

Oh. After you get. Oh. Oh, yeah. That would be tough because at one point, you're holding on by one hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

They do have a plank out there, but I'm not giving you that.

[Michael]

Thanks.

[Andy Stumpf]

No, you're full, Betty. I never got the plank. It's. Yeah. It can be emotional.

[Michael]

Yeah. Well, also, I think. Because it would be just me, right?

[Andy Stumpf]

Yes.

[Michael]

How do I land? And we'll put you into the water.

[Andy Stumpf]

Because you're not going to know how to do that very well.

[Michael]

Yeah. If the Parachute comes on top of me and I drown.

[Andy Stumpf]

I'm okay with that. Okay, well, there's a boat down there.

[Michael]

Okay.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Michael]

What if I land in the boat?

[Andy Stumpf]

You have steering toggles. I'll give you. It's pull left to go left, pull right to go right.

[Michael]

That's pretty easy.

[Andy Stumpf]

It actually is.

[Michael]

What if I go too far and go in the.

[Andy Stumpf]

It's your choice.

[Michael]

Okay, Sounds good.

[Andy Stumpf]

You live your life, sir. I gotta tell you how to party.

[Michael]

All right, cool.

[Andy Stumpf]

Okay. Let's not tell your parents about this one.

[Michael]

Yeah. Unfortunately they're both going to listen to this.

[Andy Stumpf]

Okay. We'll just tell them we're going somewhere else.

[Michael]

We're not doing that actually.

[Andy Stumpf]

All right. Yeah. There's a cost to being that awesome. Yeah, there really is. I don't know if it's avoidable. It just. You get on the front leading edge and it can bite you.

[Michael]

Yeah. You're testing out. You're in literally brand new waters.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. But I love that there. That human beings are the way that they are. Just send it and just think, I'll just fly this jet pack next to an Emirates aircraft. One on each side.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

They said it took three months of planning.

[Michael]

I think so.

[Andy Stumpf]

Three days.

[Michael]

I could have handled that easy.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. Here's a good one for you. Do you think using our special operations soldiers on the cartels and working around the border is a net positive? And do you think they will be. They will slow the amount of drugs coming across the border and the sex trafficking coming into this country? And will they be able to intervene and potentially save the victims? Or would they have to send the information to others for others to pull the trigger? This one I'm curious about you and your friends. What do you guys think about the border? Do you even think about it, you self centered pieces? I mean, I kind of sounds like a real hard no.

[Michael]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know, there's just so much to think about that I choose not to engage in a lot of political stuff.

[Andy Stumpf]

All right. You know anybody up here who has a. Ever suffered from a drug addiction? Any of your friends in your social circle ever get or.

[Michael]

I don't think so. Not an addiction. I mean people I. I know people that do drugs, but not.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah, it's. Well, I mean up here we have a, you know, gets a little rural, there's a little. Gets a little messy. Fentanyl is a pretty big issue up here as well.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

So even though we live 60 miles from the Canadian border, the source cities for us are on the west coast, but it starts in Mexico, works its way up California, I think probably Highway 5, and then starts coming east from the source cities. So we are in many ways impacted directly by this.

[Michael]

Oh yeah, Yeah. I mean I have no.

[Andy Stumpf]

You choose not to think about it.

[Michael]

Well, I mean, I have no sympathy for cartels or people that pedal stuff like that.

[Andy Stumpf]

Like, do you think we should use special operations against the cartels?

[Michael]

I don't know. I think it's a similar situation to the war on terror where we're not actually fighting us.

[Andy Stumpf]

We won. Terror doesn't exist.

[Michael]

All right. Exactly. No.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah, but it's like has been erased from the dictionary.

[Michael]

It doesn't exist anymore.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. It's just the war now.

[Michael]

Yeah. But we're not fighting a state or a concrete enemy. So I think the boundaries are so loose we can say, oh, yep, that's a cartel member. We're going to do that now. And then it's another 20 year engagement in a country, in a foreign country that at the end goal. There is no end goal. You can just move the goalpost and continue to change with the 20 year engagement.

[Andy Stumpf]

Be worth it given. So in the other examples you gave the gwat, if you will, those were not countries that neighbored ours.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

If you think about it, people really sleep on the fact that the geography that we were by luck, you and I, born in this country, no say in it whatsoever. The Pacific and Atlantic Ocean provide such an immense barrier of protection. Yeah.

[Michael]

We're very fortunate.

[Andy Stumpf]

We are incredibly fortunate. Right. Canada, it's all going to work itself out. Canadians, don't worry about it. You know, no one's going to actually try to make you the 51st state. I think Mexico, same thing that, you know, Mexico touches our southern border. Does it make it more viable to engage in something for 20 years because of the proximity?

[Michael]

Right. I mean, I think you could argue yes, because. Especially because it is directly affecting a lot of American citizens. Yeah. I think if there was a way to do it where you knew you were targeting cartels and you knew you were targeting like supply, whatever you, you would target and have a concrete end goal or a concrete like sustainable position.

[Andy Stumpf]

Clearly we're going to win the war on drugs.

[Michael]

Of course. Yeah. It's worked so well.

[Andy Stumpf]

We're, we're at the precipice of victory. We just need to spend a little bit more money.

[Michael]

Yeah, just, just give us some more money. We'll send half of that to Israel and then.

[Andy Stumpf]

Oh, you're gonna get some hate for that. I got an email the other day from somebody who said, hey, since your buddy Rogan is so pro Hamas, we've sent his address to Hamas so they can come visit him. These are the type of emails, I swear to God. I mean, I'm paraphrasing a little bit, but yeah, man, that. That is a contentious topic for sure. I tell you what, in the number of conversations I've had specifically on the Ironclad show, I do change agents with people who specialize in the cartels. It's a. It's a whole topic in and of itself on how they exist, how they interact, and how deeply intertwined they are with everyday life.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Government, social, and economic systems inside of Mexico.

[Michael]

Oh, yeah, Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

I mean, to directly answer this person's question, special operations are great at. You know, there's the three fea, three fea, Find, fix, finish, exploit and analyze. They're really good. You know, find is generally done by other entities. Fix and finish fixing in place, you know, locating them, fixing them in location. Finishing is what people think it is. Exploit and analyze starts going back into other systems. But they're really good at the sec, the second and third F. But how do you do that when one of the cartel members is, you know, a governor of.

[Michael]

Right.

[Andy Stumpf]

One of the, you know, the areas down there, or the CEO of vastly legitimate businesses, but is actually laundering money? Is that a special operations issue? I would say that's probably more of a other state entity issue, whether it's the DOJ or freezing funds or stuff like that. If when it comes to playing whack a mole, nobody's better than the US Special operations. Yeah, but there's only so many of those people that you can whack, and it's still not going. It will degrade their tactical ability. Shoot, sure. My worry is that it would take the focus of the special operations community, and I'm not saying we shouldn't. I think it should be used with absolute and extreme caution. You don't want to have your eye taken off everywhere else in the world as well. I actually think that the border issue is way more complex than designating the cartels as a terrorist organization and being able to apply US Military firepower towards that. Whether it's platforms from overhead, kinetic strikes, special operations, whatever it may be, there's still issues of supply and demand.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

You know, there are issues of the support networks inside of the United States, whether it's from strawman purchases of weapons, whether it's from businesses and entities that are laundering money. I mean, There is still so much we could do to clean up our act north of the border. I do think it's it. Some people have said that the cartels, they're incredibly violent and they're capable. It's like, cool story. I've seen the videos too. I'm here to tell you right now that it's not going to go their way. Would it be precise and clean? I'm not saying that there wouldn't be casualties on our side of the house as well, but the cartels are not prepared to take on the United States special operations conglomerate. They're not prepared to do it.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

They would want absolutely no piece of that in an actual, like, gunfight. But that is a tool in a tool belt. And I think we have to address all of those other things first. So could they potentially save the victims? I guess if they had enough intelligence, would they have. Would they be able to do so? Would they need to send the information to others to pull the trigger? I don't know. I don't know how that would work. It would really depend on how we want to treat our relationship with Mexico. Are we going to do unilateral operations deep inside of Mexico with U.S. special Operations personnel? Are we going to share information with them? To say that their military has been infiltrated by cartels is an understatement.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

So if you do share like I get it, I mean, this is the age old question of a partner force. And do you do work unilaterally or do you go by with and through pros and cons to both.

[Michael]

Mm.

[Andy Stumpf]

So special operations is a tool in a tool belt. Don't forget the other tools too. Sometimes you need a drill bit, not a hammer. So how long we've been at it?

[Michael]

58 minutes.

[Andy Stumpf]

One more. Your turn.

[Michael]

All right, let's see what kind of.

[Andy Stumpf]

Heat you got for today. Probably.

[Michael]

Probably none, but probably none. I don't know if I'm. Maybe you've talked about this on the podcast, but how about your little training exercise?

[Andy Stumpf]

Oh, God. With just. Just go ahead and turn it off. Yeah, I remember this day. Scroll down.

[Michael]

Oh, look, there you are.

[Andy Stumpf]

I know, I'm young as 12 million views 10 years ago. Okay. The conversation that was had with the coaches right before this, they pulled me aside as they shuttled their team in and they literally said, please break these motherfuckers.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Because water polo in the US Is largely ignored.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

In Europe, it's a full on professional sport. There are people who can make a shit ton of money and A lot of these players. This was the US Olympic team. They ended up getting a silver medal, which is also known as the first loser in the Olympics, of course. Yes. You still get a medal for it, though. Medals. One for every player on the team. Their coaches stressed they were having a really hard time motivating and just kind of cracking through that facade of these guys being professional athletes because they were representing the U.S. and again, nobody really pays attention to water polo. They asked me to fucking break them off and I said, say less, queen.

[Michael]

Okay.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah, say less. Also, I was called 20 minutes before this happened because I lived close to the base. That was the amount of heads up I had. You know who was here that day, too? My dad. Yeah, I was going to say he's on the fucking. Because my dad was visiting from Santa Cruz.

[Michael]

That's awesome.

[Andy Stumpf]

I guess. So. I. Yeah, I fucking destroyed the USA water polo team because their coaches asked me to. I'm sure I violated every BUDS protocol, but they're not bud students.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

And hopefully it helped. You know, hopefully it helped. I did not realize that this video was going to get the views that it did. I look like a child in that. I mean, I was in my early 30s.

[Michael]

Yeah. So, yeah, whatever. I've watched the whole video. It's very interesting.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. You notice how they were suffering and I wasn't?

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah. Horns also, like on the bullhorn. You're like, nope, not good enough. Monotone voice.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. Never let him read you. It's always, good job. Worst I've ever seen. You met the standard. You're a disgusting piece of. Get out of my sight. Never change tone.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah. Did any of them quit that day or stop?

[Andy Stumpf]

Yes.

[Michael]

Really?

[Andy Stumpf]

Yes. Yes. There was one who completely hyped out. I believe he got in the back of the ambulance. Yeah. They definitely tried to quit. I crushed them with simple things like head counts.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

How many people do you have? Or I would tell them, go line up. I would talk to their leadership. They had never. It was the obstacle course, essentially. Hey, go line your team up in age order at this obstacle. Do you have any questions? They'd say, nope. They wouldn't say, where is that obstacle?

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

How do you, you know, like. Yeah, Nothing. And then they would just fall apart. And you would watch the leaders, instead of disseminating information, just start barking orders. And so they would fail. Timelines. And I would just crush them. Basic, basic stuff of communication, leadership, you know, being able to decentralize and push information out. It was a rough day for them. I was Just pissed that I was there because I was enjoying time on. This was a weekend. I was like, it's my day.

[Michael]

Your day off.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yes.

[Michael]

Anything colle in to do this?

[Andy Stumpf]

Yes. I was like, you got it. And then with the coaches literally saying, please, we need your help.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Like just say less queen like great. Yeah. Begin.

[Michael]

Lay in the awesome.

[Andy Stumpf]

Lay in the surf.

[Michael]

Weren't you a w polo player as well?

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Nice.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. Not very good, but I mean, whatever.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

So there you go. That's the explanation of that video. Got more views than I thought it would.

[Michael]

It's a great video. Everybody should go watch it.

[Andy Stumpf]

I mean it's not the best representation of who I am, but it's. Yeah.

[Michael]

12 million. Yeah. That's pretty good.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. Over 10 years. It's not bad.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

I feel like your base jumping video could approximate that.

[Michael]

Yeah. I feel like we could do pretty good with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Just cuz I'll be having you describe how you feel as you're hanging off. What are you thinking about?

[Michael]

I don't know if I'd be able to talk. Be a little scary.

[Andy Stumpf]

Makes the content. You look like the hillbilly hammer after he was choked out with a ninja choke.

[Michael]

Oh. I was like, what do you talk? Oh, yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Best meme ever. When you realize you should spend less time researching Hitler videos and spend more time in the gym. That pieced him up.

[Michael]

Oh, yeah. It wasn't really even a fight.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. And you know, he actually, obviously he's a pro fighter, so he's going to take it all the way to the end. When he tapped, that guy did let go. At first I thought he held onto it for just a touch longer. He let go.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

And I mean, I think his name is Bryce, Right? The fighter.

[Michael]

Who, the hillbilly?

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah, yeah.

[Michael]

Bryce Mitchell. Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

I mean he. I mean it's his job.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

That ninja joke is pretty cool.

[Michael]

It was good. I liked it. Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Up underneath the neck.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

And then just right over the top.

[Michael]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

And I saw some videos where they're setting it up. Some people will set it up as they'll go under the head and they'll go all the way to the armpit as to not threaten the neck right away. And they'll kind of control them for a little bit, let the person respond, let the hand slide from under the armpit. They sink it up under the chin and then come over the top.

[Michael]

I may have to implement that.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah, I'm a leg player now.

[Michael]

Yeah. It's unfortunate.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah, yeah.

[Michael]

I Think you need me the last time.

[Andy Stumpf]

I know. It's pretty sweet.

[Michael]

Yeah, I don't like it.

[Andy Stumpf]

I'm going to get to a point where the only thing I do is go go plasma, which I don't even know what that is.

[Michael]

Do you have the knee flexibility for that? I don't know.

[Andy Stumpf]

I'm joking. Yeah. No, we were at. We were at the SVG camp and I liked the entry. I was shown a different way to do it where you can maintain the top position. And it's. You know, I'm passionate about Jiu jitsu too. But you know what I'm really enjoying is messing around with new stuff.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Just change one little thing for me. I'm like, okay, cool. I'm just gonna focus on that.

[Michael]

Yeah, just do that.

[Andy Stumpf]

And it's like that passion waterfall opens up again and you're gonna get smashed because you cannot for. If you figure out the timing or how to get it to work.

[Michael]

And then once you get it and.

[Andy Stumpf]

Then you go to white belts and you can do all of it.

[Michael]

Yeah. For a second I was trying to get the crucifix from cross sides top. Yeah. Like going over, wrapping my leg and then rolling.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. Just go to the super chill position. It's way worse.

[Michael]

Yeah, I know, but it was fun. It was fun for a little bit.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah. All right, what else you got?

[Michael]

This is just real quick.

[Andy Stumpf]

Oh, God. Fire away.

[Michael]

Have you seen this militia video of.

[Andy Stumpf]

No, but I want to just look. Virginia kick. Oh, fucking meal team six.

[Michael]

That's pretty much the only thing that's funny about this video. But they get all serious and it's. Yeah, that guy right there.

[Andy Stumpf]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Just makes it. The whole thing look like a joke. I mean, not that.

[Andy Stumpf]

I mean, the biggest threat to that guy is type 2 diabetes.

[Michael]

What?

[Andy Stumpf]

I mean, what are they. Look at that dude.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Imagine the shits he takes.

[Michael]

No, I. I don't want to imagine that.

[Andy Stumpf]

What do we got going on here? What do they represent? I mean, what.

[Michael]

So I. I think this was all.

[Andy Stumpf]

Caused by Virginia State Capitol. To oppose. Scroll down, Virginia.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

So COA's militia marches arches armed to VSA capital to oppose new gun control.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Richmond. To protest new gun control bill such magazine limits and banning guns at bars. Banning guns at bars is not a bad idea.

[Michael]

Yeah, I think that's actually a good idea in my opinion.

[Andy Stumpf]

Okay. They brute carry guns into the gun free zone surrounding the building. Police informed the militiamen that they were not allowed to carry firearms in the area in front of the Capitol. My officers did not allow them to pose for some photos. Being explain that his group is no longer branding as Boogaloo because of the stigma.

[Michael]

Yeah, Boogaloo had like some white power stuff going on with it.

[Andy Stumpf]

Anarchy princess, a regular face on the opposing side of the right of center rallies in the D.C. area came to Richmond with a welcome to the small penis rally sign. God, I love human being. Yeah. Scroll back up to the video. Hit play on that.

[Michael]

Unconstitutional gun laws they want to pass.

[Andy Stumpf]

In Virginia this year. What are they trying to do? Guys rolling heavy with some mags.

[Michael]

Yeah, they want to make it illegal for you to carry a firearm on you in a restaurant that serves alcohol, magazine bands, AR bands, and a couple other laws.

[Andy Stumpf]

All right, I've seen enough.

[Michael]

Yeah, I mean, I feel like guns and alcohol are not a good mix.

[Andy Stumpf]

So what he is saying is that they want to ban guns in establishments that serve alcohol. It's my understanding in Montana you cannot carry a firearm into a bar.

[Michael]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's you can.

[Andy Stumpf]

Carry them into a restaurant, but if you are consuming alcohol, your concealed carry privileges are no longer valid at that point. So it's the consumption of alcohol and bars. Although they do serve food. I think it's because of the type of their liquor license. Again, not an expert on this. What I can tell you is a lot of people don't make better decisions with the ingestion of alcohol. So, you know, be careful what you what you wish and ask for on that.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Andy Stumpf]

Until next time, Michael.

[Michael]

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